April 3, 2024 • 50 mins
Spencer Graves and Wes Logan share their thoughts on an MLF Angler being suspended, a boat crash in Florida and a BASS Elite Pro ruining fish habitat.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so we got to talk about it. There's
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a lot of things happening in the fishing community that
you and I need to have conversations about.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm up for it. I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Okay, what do you want to talk about first? You
want to talk about boat accidents in the Toyota Series,
I'm down with it. Or do you want to talk
about James Watson getting kicked out of the mL.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Ah, let's warm up with the boat?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
The boat?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Harris Chain showed uh two boat operators that co conspirated
to running a no wig zone. That's what it means. Coke,
You didn't, but did you hear about this?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I mean I saw the videos like where they got
the guy on the GoPro, like got him talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Zerni, who is a Toyota Series angler, was sitting waiting
for the lock just like everybody else. If you haven't
been to Harris Chain, you don't know that the lock
at a popka is a disaster. But it's meant to be. Like,
it's not there to help anglers get to fish. It's
there to limit control and movement through the water. Right,
so you're only allowed like three boats or something like that,
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and if you run to a popka to try to
get back to Leesburg, you're rolling the dice that you're
going to be back on time. So while they were
in the lock area waiting to go through, you can
hear these guys talking about and orchestrating that they're both
gonna run the no egg zone so they can try
to get back on time. Eric I think at that
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point it already resigned the fact that he's I'm gonna
be late, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Well, he's like, I mean he's one there, like he's
a local. Oh yeah, yeah, like he knows the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I went back and I looked at his stats and
when I saw zero's and yeah, yeah, thumbs up. So
when I finally saw the video and then I saw
the outcome of it, I wanted to get your opinion
on it, because you're on the water more than the
regular person. But these dudes were one idiots because they're
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talking about how they're going to run no egg zone.
Everybody knows governing bodies bass MLF, it doesn't matter. They
all say that you have to follow their rules, but
the rules of the water supersede anything else.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Every time, every time.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You can't get in trouble with the coast Guard, you know, No,
no government's gonna come down and drop the hammer. So
have you been in situations where you've seen guys talking
about like wanting to run no wig zones or do
something dangerous on the water. Maybe you were a co
early on in your career. Do you ever have a
booter that did that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, I've only fished Colin once in my life, and
he was a good dude.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But no, I've never like heard people talking like they
were like they were about to do it. But I've
seen it happen one or two times. But I saw
it happen not in an instance to get back to
a weigh in, but it was to beat the other
anglers to an area, which either either way regardless, it
doesn't matter why you're doing it, Like it's posted no
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way for a reason, Like it's not just to slow
you down or to keep you from getting there all
the time, like it's it's most of the time for
safety or to keep you know, like big Bold water marinas,
Like yeah, like they they don't just a lot of
times like if the state or you know, the corp
of Engineers puts it there.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
There's a reason it's there.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Now, there's all there's times where the it's like somebody
has on their dock no wake, like just a little
sign and I'm like, okay, that you can't that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You literally can't do that.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
But anyways, but no, did what they the little bit
that I watch because I didn't watch this whole video.
I literally just heard them say it, and obviously you
know the outcome. But I'm like, how how can you
be not even a I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I guess, I mean, it's selfish what they do a
hundred percent because you don't know who's coming on the
other side.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
No, do you have a dude, and you have a
conger with you somebody's life in your hands, like they
have probably have a family. I mean he may not,
but regardless, it's his life like so, and he has
no control over what you do with that boat.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So I don't know, dude.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It It really had my blood bowling when I was
listening to it, just because of how they were kind
of making a joke about it, like they were just
kind of laughing like, oh, we're about to do this.
I'm like, that's just like one of the dumbest things
I've ever heard, and it really does put a bad
look on tournament bas sanglers all across the board.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I ain't got a buddy of mine. He's a personal
injury attorney. I had a conversation with him. Those co
anglers could sue their boat captains.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I don't know why you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You could personally suit them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I would not be against it.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I mean, I'm not like the sue and tight but
like you, you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough,
and if you play stupid games, you're gonna win stupid prize.
It's like, I mean, there should never have ever been
anything like that happened. And now did I hear right that?
Or there was a wreck both days Day one and
day two?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, there was definitely. There was definitely a situation that
happened both days.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I'm not in different in different the one going in
Haines Creek. I think it's Haines Creek going to Griffin.
And then there was another one in a popka. The
one that you and I are talking about was the Popka,
But I'm pretty I think another one happened also on
the other side, but.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Just in case, people don't know which video they saw.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Eric's video is the apop One.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So Eric's video is the Apopka. But then Eric also
has on his video where he pulls up and the
boat is on top of another boat.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So I hadn't seen that. Okay, I watched it.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That for that's the outcome. The guys that were talking
about running the no wake zone. The dude in front
was ready to go through, but for whatever reason, whether
he saw another boat or he didn't trust it or
something like that, he slowed down and the other guy
didn't realize it and drove up on top of them.
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They go through the bridge and then they crash into
the vegetation area and at some point one of the
guys is like, hey, I don't care what you do.
You need to get your boat off of my boat.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So were they buddies or were they just two different
anglis don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't know. I don't know how deep the relationship.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Goes because the way they were talking like we and
they may just you know how people talk openly like
they know everybody, like oh yeah, we're gonna run it.
Like I don't know if they made like a pack.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But you know, as well as I do that when
you're in certain tournament worlds, you start to meet other
anglers in that world where you might not have been
buddies for the last fifteen years, but over the last
couple of years you started to develop relationships with these guys.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know who you can kind of or you can
kind of trust them, or you think you can trust them.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I could see this.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I was a co angler on Harris and we came
up to a bridge that you can run. It's not
a no eg zone, you could run it. And I
looked at my I looked at my boater and I said,
you plan on run this? And he goes, oh, no, yeah, no,
I'm gonna slow down.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well, there's a bridge on the Popka side of the canal.
That's no way, correct, dude, I ain't running. There's no
way I'm running through.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And that's why I asked them, because that's the bridge. Yeah,
it's it's I mean, you can run it if you want,
like I'm giving my lesson as a co angler if
you want to. If you don't, I'm not gonna be mad.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I'm just I've just been in the boat too many times,
like I've been I've been driving a boat since I
was twelve, and I've seen it too many times where
either something's hung up on something and you can hit it,
or your lower unit goes out and your boat's gonna
turn one way or the other in an instant. Like
and I mean you're still in a canal, like you
could still wreck, but you're not gonna hit a concrete
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pillar of a bridge, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
I've seen guys run through that thing going like sixty five.
I'm like, dude, you have no h and I may
maybe you get in that mindset where and I've probably
ran some sketchy stuff or ran too close to something,
but I don't know, just just too like whatever the
word you used a minute ago, the cork whatever, what
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did you say?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Sort of a sea what? I don't even remember what
it was.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It maybe like yeah, the fact that they the fact
that they cocing spear, that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
They were about to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Like just because I've actually watched another video from down
there of an angler. It had nothing to do with
the wreck, but he was actually going to a papka
and on. When he was going through the lock, the
lock person had told him how many boats had come
through and come back and there had not been many
come back, and like he said, I was like, like
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you can hear it in his video. He said, dude,
I'm doing the math. If we don't leave right now,
we're not going through because there's not enough time with
all these boats. And he was like, literally one of
the last locks to get back through to make it
back on time. But I don't I don't know if
those guys just didn't row how many people had went
over there. But I mean that's the risk you play
going over there too. But there's never there's never amount
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of fish or amount of money to put somebody else's life,
including yours, Like it's it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Both the boaters have been suspended from all MLF tournaments
for at least one year, and that's from the date
that that came out, So that's like March twenty six.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Are you reading that? Is that exactly what it says
year for it? Does it say at.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Least it says at least one year? See, I just
is that a gray area for you?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Is it one year?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Or like, in my opinion, way, I don't think they
should ever be able to be in another time.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Okay, So I'm happy that you said that because I'm
the type of person where at the bare minimum I
thought it should be five years.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
One year's a joke, literally.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
But that tells me a lot more about what's happening
in professional because you have two You've got two guys
who say they want to fish in tournaments and they're
willing to put up a Toyota series. Is what eighteen
hundred bucks just for an entry feet seventeen to fifty.
Then you got gas on top of that, you got lodging.
You're impacting the local economy. There's a lot of money
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that changes hand, and MLF certainly wants a lot of
people to come over to their organization to fish, so
they don't want to lose out on the seventeen to fifty.
And if they're telling two guys like, hey, you can't
fish for at least a year, that gives them the
opportunity to be like, oh no, we did what we
were supposed to do, suspended these but hearing for at
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least that leaves the interpretation that it could be more.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, that's what I was I was wondering if you
were for were but.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
At least for a year. We're not going to get
any money from these guys. Well, how many tournaments are
they going to have after this?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Oh the hundreds?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Sure, but in that tournament schedule they only have maybe
one or two, right, because it's three tournaments for the
Toyotas per division.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Right, So you think that what's seventeen fifty twice? I mean,
what were eighteen hundred? That's thirty six hundred dollars. Let's
just say five grand from the both thanks?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I think what this?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Do you think that you think that five grand is? So?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Is that important to them? You think they're that struggling
that I'm like, I'm just asking, I'm not are Do
you think.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It doesn't look good? Do you?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
If you ran an organization you knew that you had
a lot of people bailing because of you know, co
Angler's not wanting to fish behind the scope. If you
knew that a lot of conversations were coming up about
whether or not you were going to sell, if there
was a lot of dissension in the ranks of former
guys or current guys that fish there, if you felt
like your organization was struggling, do you want to suspend
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two guys that actively willingly give you money to fish
these tournaments. Do you want to suspend them for a
life or do you want to sit there and go, well,
the possibility is that you could potentially come back. Yeah,
that's the organization, that's the business. If you and I
are looking at as people, I don't think that they
should be allowed to be in tournaments. And the main
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reason is because they've already shown and proved that they
will not operate their boat in a safe manner. And
it doesn't matter what body of water you're on, you
can't operate a boat in unsafe manners because of who
you have in the boat with you.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I just feel like they had an opportunity to And
this is not just because their MLF for all the
different question. It's the professional fishing because they consider themselves
like a I guess a Triple A league. The Toyota
series is they had an opportunity to wear it. Now,
now you've got co anglers looking at it, because youre
talking about co owners, not I want to fish behind
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the scopers. Now you have co owners looking at it
going well, how do I know if I go get
in the boat with a dude, I'm not gonna die
because now and I under now holding out there could
be some argument, Oh you never know if that's gonna happen.
But now the organization shows that they don't really take
take it seriously if they keep you safe. Well, we
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suspended them for a year. That's ridiculous. You're suspending a
guy for a year that almost killed two men and
could have killed somebody, killed four. Yeah, it could have
killed a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Six calling him over doesn't matter. Like if the guy
was slowing down because maybe another boat was coming through,
that would have been problematic exactly, you know. Or if
he just got up there and he's like, ooh that
is too tight, like I don't want to run, and
he backs down. You've got one of the co anglers
came from Michigan to my gosh, to fish for five
hundred and fifty bucks. That's what it takes for a
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co angler to be in the Toyota series. And that
guy almost because he was paired with this person. He
didn't pick it.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, just randomly drawn.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Randomly drawn. And that's why to me, I'm like, that's
a lifetime band.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I And another thing, I think the lifetime ban because
let's say they had to run the no wake for
an emergency, like if let's say something something bad was happening,
and okay, you had to you know, it was a
bad really trying to get you had a bad situation,
you were trying to get back wherever whatever, But you
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literally just fished too long.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's your own fault. And then you talked about it.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And thirdly, dude, it was documented like it wasn't hearsay
like word of mouth.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But then again, those guys have no idea when they're
talking about it that Eric Panzeroni's go pros are running, right,
I mean you could obviously see that. Almost now everybody
has cameras in the boats. I know in the Bass Elites,
you guys camera, Yeah, multiple cameras in the boat.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I mean, I mean when I go fishing now, I
run a camera just if I go out messing around,
just because.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Doing that to get content.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
No no, no, no, no no no no, just dude, you
don't know what's going on out there, like and there's
so much like termial, like you never know if somebody's
gonna try and like turn something around on you or
you know, make you look bad. So I mean, anytime
it's like having a dash can in your car driving. Sure,
there's a lot of people that do that now because
people getting cut off and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But so you're not just hoping that one day you
run across a caaren on a dock that starts chirping out.
Could happen or or you know, some dudes to say that,
I wouldn't put that up on.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Some Yeah, I mean, I mean, hey, hey, hey, any
any publicity is good publicity.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But I may get shot one day for fishing to
do to doc like at least somebody know who did it.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I would I would hope that that wouldn't be the case.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It almost happened down there wherever it was at Alabama
River or something, Miller's Ferry or something. Yeah, it was
either last year or two years ago. A guy come
out there with a shot. Not against you, no, no, no, no,
no, no no no.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It was a team tournament deal.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I mean he got indicted, but still like I don't
care if he got into I mean, all it takes
is one like, all it takes is one pool of trigger.
It don't matter if he gets indicted or not.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Those people don't realize that you don't own the water. No,
you can have a dock, you can have a boat,
you can have property, but you don't own the water.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Now, somebody's like vandalizing your dock. That's one thing you
can't tell us. Why not to fish your dog?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Well, let me ask you a question though, for the
fact that you and I are out on the water.
I grew up in a lake house and never came
across this situation. But now that I fish as much
as I do, and you've been fishing for years, it
certainly happens. Sometimes you cast, you miss your mark, your
hook gets lodged on a boat dock. Do you feel
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that it's okay to get off the boat, go to
the boat dock and get your hook back or in
most cases that's considered trespassing. Yeah, so you really shouldn't
be allowed to do it. But I'm sure as a
former dock owner, I would rather you get the hooks
off the dock because I don't want to come down
there in my bare feet and stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Correct, I get real.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I do everything I can to see if somebody's there,
like if they're inside, like try and wave out them
through the window or something, but like if it's on
top of the dock, I'll go get it because, like
you said, I don't want to leave it there, like
you skip underneath the dock.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'll just break bounce, Yeah, I'll just break it all.
I'll just break.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's funny because my lake house in Virginia on Smith
Mountain Lake, I remember my dad dropped something in the
water and I have my scuba gear with me, so
he was like, can you go find it? So I'm
underneath the dock.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
There's no telling how much is on you.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You wouldn't know how many wacky rigs and chatterbas. Oh
my god, I pulled off of underneath that.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Dock, crazy ton. Yeah yeah, but i mean.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Just and buried at a place where I'm like, damn
that d You can skip yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
A lot of time you make a good skip and
gets home, you're like, well that one's gone, like you
just pap.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Like Jack can't really nobody wants to lose that seventeen dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, But no, I am kind of
because I mean, you want to be respectful of everybody's
because you'd want somebody to be respectful yours. But I'd
hate to, like you said, leave something on top of
a dog and like their dogs step on it or
their kid or like.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And I think most dock owners would understand and respect
the fact that you're like, hey, I'm just getting this
hook off your dock, so there's not a problem. I
can't imagine that anybody would be like, get o, my dog,
just leave the hook. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, I've definitely now, I've had some that like when
they see you fishing, like coming down the bank, or
they come or they'll get a lot of times they
won't say nothing, but they'll walk out on the end
of the dock and just kind of standing there and
you're like, I just kind of go around, like I'll
either fish it later or whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm fortunate I haven't had anybody really see anything to
me about fishing their dock or fishing their area. I
will tell you this is happening more now that I'll
see somebody come out, Like if I'm fishing down a
stretch three houses up, I'll see somebody walk out of
their house and they got a fishing pull in their
hand and they go right down to their dock. And
sometimes that dock has got the juice sign up and
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you're like, oh man, you kind of want to fish
that dock, but you also know they're fishing, and I
like to give respect to them since that's their dock.
So I'm like, I'll just come back yep, And chances
are my angle is going to be better to catch
those fish anyway, because I'm going to the dock while
they're trying to go out away from the dock. I'm
sure you're the same way.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Like you don't fish, Yeah, you can have it, but
like I'm probably gonna try and swing back and hit
it again, especially especially if it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You stay on that side. I'll stay over here, and
then we can switch, rotate, do whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Now, I have had a couple of instances where there's
been somebody fishing on their dock and they're like, come
on you, like they'll be you know, throwing off the
end of it or the side of you can throw
just throw up on her and catch one.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Well, they don't like that. Some of them are cool
about the oh man.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's awesome, and then some of them are just well
they get all sold up. I'm like, man, you like
you couldn't catch it and it was under your dock.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I call on on Logan Martin and this it was
this kid and he probably was twelve thirteen years old
something like that, and he was throwing something completely different
than I was, and I had some of these extra baits.
It was just a worm, like I was flipping the dock.
It wasn't anything crazy, but he was throwing like a
crappy jig. But he was trying to catch bass, which
he can catch every once in a while. And I
ended up having an extra pack, so I said, hey,
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try these and just throw them up there. And I
feel like that kind of squashed it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Pull out a three pounder and he's sitting there just
catching a little bluegill and he sees that. He's like, man,
I didn't know they lived down here, jacket. Let's move
over to another situation where bass was launching an investigation
against an angler. Brian Knew disqualified from the Saint Croix
bass Master open at Santee Cooper. This has been upheld. Now.
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I don't really know the details in this. All I
know is the investigation came out that they feel like
he messed up a fish's bedding area on purpose. To
delay somebody else from being able to catch those fish?
Am I reading that right now?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That's that's the I guess the what I I read.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's all I've I know about as much as you
do on it, because I think it kind of blindsided
a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I don't know anybody that knew about it. And uh, but.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Apparently this happened on TV or on live somewhere online
where another angler found out about it and protested this.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
No, the the story that I've heard. I've heard both sides.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I've read news post after I guess the appeal got
upheld or you know, the appeal didn't, whatever that works.
And then the angler that submitted the protest and the
footage there was supposedly there was three of them site
fishing in this pond at saying teh an angler, an
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open angler or two open anglers and a new and
just just a quick runt of what I've heard. And
the angler that that protested him or eventually ended up protesting,
actually posted a YouTube video yesterday morning explaining step by
step what happened in the pas of everything going down.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay, it was Andrew.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Upshaw's who it was, so he's got his video on
YouTube if you want to go check it out. He
kind of because he said he was getting a lot
of heat and a lot of you know, a lot
of hate on the comments from from news post, and
then he kind.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Of played by play or laid it out.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But basically, those three were in here are in this pond.
The guy in the backs fishing for a pair, there
was a three and a six pounder news fishing for one.
Upshaws fishing for one. The guy in the back fishing
for the pair of them catches the three pounder, continues
to fish for the female, can't get her to buy it,
like this is a long time coming, sure, but a
short version the guy leaves the open, angler leaves knw
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goes over there to fish for it, fish for it
for a you know, a certain amount of time, doesn't
catch it. Says that this is what Andrew said. I mean,
I don't this is just me playing to death out.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Let me pull up part of his video and just
kind of see where we're at with his story.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
A few minutes, you know, after that he decided to
slide off. And whether or not, you know, he was
trying to let it rest or whatever, I don't know
what he was doing. I mean, he just slid off
of it. I know he didn't catch it. I mean
because I was less than one hundred yards away, so
I could see him very very well. And about that
time I looked down on my scout model Malla Rants
(22:18):
and I see a big blob on there and it
was on a bed, and I started fishing for it.
And I you know, I start fishing for this fish
and I'm working it, working at working it and nothing.
And actually by this time, Brian had actually slid to
the back of the pond where that bed and fish was,
(22:38):
and he slid up, set his power pole down. I mean,
like I said, anybody that went through there and practice
saw that fish. It was a very very easy fish
to see. It wasn't a hard fish to see. Okay,
So Brian set up on the fish. I figured he
already knew about it too, But I was for the
sake of the size of the pond, I wasn't going
to go past them and go that fish. I didn't
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feel like it was right to pass new I didn't
feel like it was right to pass the other angler.
So I just stayed at the back and my intention
was to continue to work on through there. Well, Brian
sets up on the fish, and I'm still on this
blob that I see on my scout mode, and I'm
fishing for it, fishing fort fishing for it nothing. And
(23:21):
I actually I had new lined up and he was
my cast. So that's how I knew exactly where to
cast because I was flipping right at the front of
his boat the entire time, even though he was about
seventy five to one hundred yards away.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So basically, if I surmise this right, he's watching new
fish for another fish, so he knew he was there.
He wasn't going to try to go around Brian because
he didn't want to disturb what Brian was doing. That's
that angler etiquette that you and I have talked about.
And then when Brian leaves after not catching this fish,
he washes out the bed with his troller motor, whether
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he knowingly did it or not.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Bo by what Andrew says in the video a little
bit after where you just stopped it. He says that
Brian trolls up on to where the bed, you know,
the area of where the bed Andrew thinks it is,
and washes his troll mote to the left where it
almost throws him out of the boat, to the right,
to the left, to the right, and then back washes
it and goes to leave. And you can't do that,
(24:21):
I mean from what morally, I wouldn't do it. No,
I did not realize. And maybe this is my fault
for not reading the rules. I didn't know there was
a rule that you couldn't do that, but I didn't
me personally, I would never think to do that, so
I wouldn't worry about it being a you know what
I'm saying right like, And Brian is his own parton
(24:41):
Like I talked to Brian, and he is very competitive,
like his mind works that way. I guess mine, I
just if I couldn't catch it, that'd be that.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't have a problem with somebody getting on their
trolling motor to get out in the area. I think
where a lot of people would have a problem is
if you are knowingly disturbing the habitat in which a
fish is actively spawning. That's where I would have a
problem with it. Because listen, as much as we love
to tournament fish, as much as you and I love
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to hunt, we are the true keepers of the wildlife.
So to me, that's no different than going out into
a deer's habitat and messing with the deer habitat knowingly
that you're trying to screw something up. Where if you're
walking into a deer habitat or let's say a duck
blind you're walking through rows of corn, and you start
breaking over rows of corn, you're now destroying the habitat.
(25:35):
That limits what those ducks are able to do.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, agree, It just I don't know why, like, like
why I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Here's the thing that I that I don't like about
MLF and about bass. And maybe the NPFL can take
note to this. If you're going to put out a
press release as to why you've decided to uphold a
suspension or launch an investigation or kick somebody off a
tournament trail, you have to give the full story in
(26:07):
your press release. Yes, every single one of these press releases,
it just says violation of rule seven. Well what's that rule? Say?
What are the actual terms in which it said? Or
why did somebody protest somebody else? Why did somebody protest
somebody about powerpole breaks? Why would somebody like give me
the full launching story. So as a reader, I feel
(26:30):
like I'm really involved, and I understand that this is
the unbiased view, because otherwise it kind of reads like
the MLF story reads where James Watson has been suspended,
no plans to fill that spot, and it doesn't really
say why. Everybody who's involved in tournament fishing will sit
(26:52):
there and go, well, I know exactly why. I know
that there's been disparaging remarks based on the contract that
mL F angler sign but what was it specifically, why
did this come to light? Share with me the actual
story that led to a decision. Don't just say we've
led to this decision and that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I just wonder why all the organizations like if you,
if you, if you put out a press release, you're
obviously wanting the public to know about it. Correct, Like
that's what a press release is for. Or no, it's
because you're in You're in this.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, so a press release is to let the press
world know that you've made a change. But I feel
like in a lot of situations, a press release is
more of we acknowledge that it happened, but here's what
we're doing and move on. It's kind of like when
you work a job and you get fired from that job.
A press release in the professional fishing world right now
(27:49):
feels like this, and I'm going to use you as
an example. Wes Logan, who did sales for us, has
exited the company. We wish him well in his future endeavor.
It doesn't tell you anything. It doesn't say that, you know,
Wes Logan exited the company because he was stealing toilet paper,
(28:10):
you know, like it doesn't tell the listener or the
reader what actually took place. And then the bad part
is with social media, you'll get all these other blog
posts that pop up and all they're doing is copying
and pasting the press release and they're trying to write
something on to get clicks, so you get credit for
people going to that blog. So, like the James Watson thing,
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obviously all of us who were in fishing understand that
he and Boyd Duckett have had problems with each other.
Whether it's the way that Boyd in the management team
runs MLF. I think it's a little interesting that Boyd
is an owner of MLF but gets to fish like
he had to me as a conflict of interest. You know,
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you almost have to decide to do one or the other.
You can't do both. That's kind of like Roddell playing
football and then stopping in the middle of a game
being like, Nope, I don't like.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That we do this anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
We can't do it. And that's how it reads. And
I've heard a lot of people say like, well, it's
freedom of speech. He should be allowed to say whatever
he wants.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, but he signed a contract exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And in your job, if you go to work and
you decide to speak up against your boss, the person
who signed your check, and you say I don't like
that you do this, they'll fire you, yes, like they'll
walk away from you. And there are certain states that
are right to work and there are certain states that
aren't right to work. And you have to know the
state that you're in. So does James Watson know what
(29:36):
he was up against? Sure, James is also looking at
his career and he's like, man, I've been doing this
for a long time. I don't need this dog and
pony show. Yeah, right, Like I don't need to be
in this situation. And man, I'd love to get him
on here to actually talk about it and clear the air.
I know he's going on Luke Duncan's podcast, and I'm
going to listen to that for sure. But I'm pretty
sure the FBD hats that came out, I'm sure that
(29:58):
didn't do well. Fish Boat Docs Daily, man, I get it. Yeah,
I love flipping the doc. I mean it's perfect, yes,
but at some points, you know, you signed a contract.
You kind of have to live in that world.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
If you want to go out and you want to
burn the bridges down while you go, dude, that's your parrogas.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
That's what he's doing. I mean, and I mean you can't.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You can't blame him for for being upset for what
people I agree, I agree, but the the people that
the Yeah, it's freedom of speech. But again, like you said,
and I like James, I've never been around him a lot,
but he's a really good guy.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
He's always been nice to me. But you did sign
a contract.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
So and I even I think I saw him post
something that he's not even really upset that he's not
fishing anymore, like it was never he said, it's done
pretty much, it's got I don't know if he said this,
but it looks to me like it's gotten to a
point where it's gotten personal for him. Obviously he don't
care about fishing tournaments with fl or MLF anymore. He's
(30:57):
obviously got a very well off other forms of income.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
He doesn't need it.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
No, he doesn't need it. If he loves to fish
and has great sponsors. But he's doing it just as
much now for his sponsors then then, I mean, the
apparel is probably bringing him more money right now than
the whole organization that just cut him.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
No problem with that.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I mean, it wouldn't take a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
But I don't think it was the problem with the
FBD hats that he originally had. But when he started
to incorporate the duck at Rod's logo, that's where it
was like, oh dude, now, like, you're not just shaking
the cage, you're grabbing that thing, and you're driving down
a bumpy back road with a bunch of speed bumps
like the ear. You're making it well known, and look,
all that publicity helps him sell apparel. It's not a problem,
(31:43):
right if he wants to go fish the NPFL, if
he wants to go fish that tournament series or that
tournament that's gonna bear, which is the no live scope tournament,
no practice either. I'm gonna be very interested to see
how that plays out. I've known some of the organizers
of it. I know a lot of other guys on
that lake that are talking about it. It'll be interesting.
(32:05):
I think this will breed a tournament trail that will
still not be the Bass Master Elites, and it still
won't be the BPT at MLF because until you have
to qualify to be there, I don't feel that it
is truly a professional league.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It's kind of like when you go through high school
and you go through college and you're playing baseball, basketball, football,
whatever it is. You have to kind of cut your
teeth there, and then when you get an offer, hey,
come you can come be professional. It's no different.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Now, if you wanted to go play, let's say that
you were a professional baseball player, you get cut from
the Phillies. You get cut from the Phillies, they send
you pack, and if you decide that you want to
go back and play adult baseball, you can. Yes, That's
kind of what these other tournaments are starting to feel
like to me. It's guys that are like, I want
to stay in it. Yeah, I want to push because
(33:03):
they love fishing. Yeah, I want to do high stakes.
I don't want to do a pot tournament for twenty bucks.
I want to play in a place where I could
possibly win some big That's right.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
They they love the competition, you know, they want to
fish competitively.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But the the the rumor that.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Not that I wouldn't call it rumors, just the chatter
that you hear from the guys that are older than me,
like much older that's been around a long time. They're
they're tired of the drama, they're tired of the bs,
as they say, and then they just want to go
fish for a year or two and just.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Looking different, right, Like it's it's a different layout than
how it was when you got in oh Man, and.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
That wasn't but five years ago or probably seven years ago.
But like it's not even it ain't even close to
the same.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
So imagine, you know, these guys coming up watching some
of their favorites in the late eighties the nineties, and
fishing really hadn't changed that much. You know, some of
the things have changed, Both layouts have changed, the technology
has changed. Uh, but I think live Scope, especially this year,
that was obviously the wake up call for a lot
of people that it's just not going away. I had
(34:07):
a conversation with a guy the other day, you know how.
We were talking about how you know there's a good
chance that they're going to limit the number of transducers.
I don't think a lot of people are thinking about
what Laurance, humming Bird and Garman have probably already thought
about and are probably already working on right now. The
Garment live scope. You've got what a thirty five percent cone.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, they're all they're all a little different.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Like it's it's really not that big.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, it's all they're all a degree oriented. Yeah, one
of them five degrees. Okay, so thirty five degree. You
got to be really good with your cast to hit
thirty five degree. What's going to stop them from doing
one hundred and eighty degree to go on the front
of the boat, Dude, it's technology. There's nothing that can
stop them.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
As long as it bass says to them like, hey,
you're only you're only allowed one transducer, they'll just find
out a way where they can have wider cone for
a transducer. It goes on your trolling motor.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
The only thing that I've noticed because one of the
company's beam is a lot wider than the other, right,
and they did that to be able to see more
at one certain time. The problem is the narrower the cone.
When you see your bait and your and the fish,
you're on the fish. Okay, So what I noticed with
(35:25):
the bigger cone, and obviously they can do it. I'm
just giving you an example of what I've seen. The
bigger cone. You could think your bait is near that fish,
and you could be ten foot off of right.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But here's this is all what you're saying. I'm not
even I'm not even bringing up for just the live
skill thing. What I'm saying is, yeah, yeah, if we
were having this exact conversation in nineteen seventy eight and
we were talking about the idea that there was going
to be a thing called side skin where you could
drive down a bank and you could look over and
you would see those guys would be like, you're crazy,
(35:56):
that will never happen. Yeah. My point is the technology
is here. They're only going to expand on that technology.
And if they say we're going to limit the number
of transducers, that's where you play for that year or
two years until the technology catches up. When the technology
catches up, everybody will get rid of those transducers and
they'll get the bigger ones. It's just a part of it.
(36:16):
So I think that, yes, well.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It's already happening now with the salt water transducers from garment. Right,
nobody's hardly ever running the real big scoping guys like
that are you know, very good at it. They have
the life the salt water one. There's a reason, right,
But that saltwater one can see further.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
We'll also get better, yep, And it will be you
know a matter of years when that cone goes from
thirty five degree to maybe seventy and then ninety, and
then all of a sudden you're at one hundred and eight,
and then all of a sudden that mega imaging that
I love with Hummingbird, with Mega three sixty, that three sixty.
(36:55):
At some point you'll start to see the fish just
swimming around all around the boat, and it'll be up
to you on what you want to do, and it'll
be a completely different ballgame at that point. So technology
will be there, it's just whether or not MLF BASS
and any other turning organization wants to limit what you
can do with it when you have it. That's it.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
I did hear one thing I just get I want
to I want your opinion. I want your opinion on it,
because it really threw me off, and I'm like, how
do I don't understand the thinking of this. Somebody told
me that. They said, well, I wasn't even talking about
They were like, well, they can't get rid of it,
and I was like, okay, just I want to know why,
because I like hearing people's thoughts, like I like knowing
how they lifcope. I said, why can they not get
(37:37):
rid of it? He's hold on, hold on, just listen
to what he said. He said, because the younger generation
that has made it to professional fishing right now that
rely on it. That's how they got here. And if
you took it away from them, how is that fair?
Because that's all they know.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I'll give you a doser reality. This doesn't impact you
as much as it impacts other guys.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Oh absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
When you and I were in high school and you're
younger than I am, I forget that every once in while.
I feel like, sometimes you and I are the same age.
You're younger than that. Okay, When I was in high school,
I had a TI eighty three calculator, had sign co
Sign Tangent or whatever. Never used it. Right, once I
got done with school and never used it. That calculator
(38:27):
has been replaced by a much bigger and better calculator
and mostly computers. Okay, So if I tried to go
back and brought a TI eighty three calculator to you
and put it in your hands and said here, use this,
you'd be like, what is this?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
But imagine if it was somebody who's way younger than
you and I brought them a TI eighty three and
said here, figure this out. They could probably do it,
but there's so much technology that they've come up with
that they understand that for them, they're like, well, I
could just do it this way, and I could do
it this way because this is what I've learned. So
(39:10):
the point about not getting rid of it is people
die off and the technology that is coming behind them.
They can learn it while they're in it, but then
once they're not in anymore, they don't have to worry
about it. So yeah, I don't think that you can
get rid of the technology once it comes out, but
you can limit the technology that you have.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
No, And just to clear it up, I wasn't saying
I want it banned it. It was he brought it
up in conversation. I wasting rid of it, Yeah, and
he was like, well, you can't take it away from them,
but if you look at the older no, I don't
even want to say the older generation, the guys that
haven't relied on it as much. Well, I don't understand
how that's fair to that, but either way, it was
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just when he said that, I was like.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That, that don't I don't know, Okay, I haven't thought
about it like that.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Here's here's another opinion that I have about the live
scope thing, is the tournament that's happening on Lake Lanier
where you can't use your live scape. When you and
I first sat down on this podcast, and I think
Joseph was in with us, we were talking about live
scope at the infancy of people talking about which is
(40:19):
so funny because you and I and Joseph and all
these other guys we've been hearing it for the last
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
What nothing new?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
It felt like Jesus, this conversation keeps coming up. But
to the mainstream people that was the big deal. You
know how many people come up to me now and go, hey,
they have transducers coming off the jack blade. I'm like,
they've had This isn't anything new. But anyway, I'll get
back to the original point. My point about the whole
live scope thing is I said on that first podcast
(40:50):
that we sat down, if you want to find out
who the best fisherman is in the country, then you
have to have an open invitation to anybody comes out,
and you do it over the course of an entire week.
You do seven days of fishing, and you got to
go to different lakes, so you can pick a geographical
area if you want, but you're not allowed anything other
(41:13):
than a mapp And that's it. The hard part about
fishing is almost every fisherman has good knowledge of every
lake that they go to. If it's a lake that
they think they're going to have to go to, they'll
spend some time. Yes, and your knowledge base right now
is a good knowledge base. But imagine putting that knowledge
(41:35):
base up against somebody who's been doing it now in
their sixties and they start at the same time you did.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Oh no, no, you can't.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
They have incredible knowledge, right, So the technology side gives
everybody the same opportunity, but it's still those little intangibles
that will change the game. And if somebody was looking
at it and they go, hey, man, i've been fishing,
you know, shallow water for forty I have live scope.
I've used it a little bit. All it does is
(42:05):
change the table a little bit. If you decide to
go out and you decide to use it and dedicate
yourself to it, you're learning something else. But you still
have all these other tools in your toolbox. Yes, that
maybe the guy that grew up on live scope doesn't
know he doesn't know how to read the water, he
doesn't know how to line himself up, But that technology
(42:26):
that they have that might be all they know. If
you have to get to an elite level, though, you
got to be good enough at all of it, good
enough at all of it. You don't have to be great.
You got to be good enough at all of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I did have a conversation with one of the guys
h and I'm not gonna say who that qualified this
that's with us this year, and they said, he said, look,
I know your opinion on it, and I'm like, dude,
it ain't nothing personally against like it's just and it
was back when the whole Forte deal went down.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But he was like, think about this.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
You've got two hundred and twenty of probably some of
the best anglers in the world trying to compete for
ten places on the opens. Do you really think you're
gonna be able to go down the bank in ten
of those tournaments or now I hired them in nine
of them and make the top ten with two hundred
and twenty people beating the banks. And I was like, no,
He's like, that's why you got to commit to life
(43:22):
scope to get there. I was like, dude, that's a
great point. I said, I'm with you. It's like, I'm
not arguing.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
That you and I have had this conversation about.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
How ye, it's a game.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
You are in a game with one hundred and three other.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Guys and the lakes where we're playing, right. It's just
the only difference to anything else is it's public.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Everybody. Every other organization is not public.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
If the boundary line is bank to bank and everything in.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Between, its fair game.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Boy. You just expose everything in between. And there are
plenty of guys that are like, I don't like that
that guy won that way. Sure, I don't either. I
wouldn't like it when I played college baseball that we
went up against a team that hit home runs and
we just need to get somebody on base. And played
small ball. Sometimes you have to change your strategy in
order to do it. That's why. For you, what makes
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you a good angler, what makes you a great bass master,
elite angler, is you got to be well rounded in
all of.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
It you do.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
You do, but it just there's some instances where.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It chaps your ass. I'm sure, because yeah, you want
to you want to be it. Listen, you're really good
at a swim jig. Stop it.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I mean I'll call some I have called bass on it,
but I mean, do you drop it. It doesn't matter
that I'm good at it anymore. But my point is
you're good at a swim jig. So if you could
go out and win on a technique, your favorite technique.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Would you choose a swim jig? Would you choose a
crank bait? Would you choose top water?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It would be swimming a gig.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Okay, so swimming a jig. Right, if you get into
a tournament where you know they're crushing a swimjig, and
it's the right ones that are crushing a swimjig. You're
sitting there licking your chops. Boy, you have no idea
what's coming to you. Livescoper does the same exact thing.
If he knows that he can get them to bite
and thirty foot of water, he's going to go out
throw that little min no, throw a six inch drift
fry or whatever he wants to do. And listen, I know,
(45:07):
but it's still a tech and that's his deal that
he that he wants to do. But if you could
beat his brakes off, you're gonna want to beat his
brakes off.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, But I'm with you, it's not worth it. Like
I don't. I'm not arguing with you.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
It's just a whole different deal that if he didn't
have that technology, he wouldn't even be catching that fish
that he's fixing to beat my brains out with.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
To where everything you've ever learned fishing. But he could,
you could learn to swim a g.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
He could still go out deep if he knows that
there's a hump over in this area and he was
able to train.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
On a hump, yes, on a piece of structure but
I'm talking about if he's been fisher out there and
walk over sixty.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Swimming in five foot, I get it. We'll never get caught.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
So I've also made this concession a few times. If
you really want to isolate it and you want to
take tournament fishing into a place where you feel like
is competitive, you give people a map and you go
have at it, go for it. Well, that's not fair
because I got to be able to scout, and I
got to be able to try to find some things
(46:10):
when I can. Okay, fine, Then you get down imaging
and all you're allowed to see is what's happening directly
under the boat and maybe a little bit on the outside.
So the question is where do you limit the decision.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
As far as the technology.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah, I've never understood the argument of comparing side scan
to I'm.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Not comparing the two, just like you saying which one
Where At what point would you say technology is ample
enough to go out and catch a fish?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Was it sonar?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Was it down image?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
I think side imaging in three sixties, like with the
that's pushing it.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Is that where it started to change.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Because the three sixties where it started to change.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
I feel like so the three sixty being able to
go all the way around the boat and you just
recognize that there's a brush pile over here, there's a
pile of rocks over here, and you can.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
See you can see fish on three six. It's obviously
not live and you've got to know what you're looking at,
but you can see them. That's where the technology. And
I have a three sixty, like it's great for fishing
structure and stuff, but I don't know the just the
being able to live time, know when your bait's right
on his nose or just I don't know that's I've
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ruffled so many feathers do. I'm just like, I just
need to shut up. But it's not Listen, you have
an opinion and I have it, and I have been
using it since I talked to you at four, Like
I'm going to get better at it. But the only
reason I'm doing it is because they're forcing me to.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Dude, I went out to Neely Henry the other day.
I sent you a message sixty four degree water.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I started to tell you, I started to send you
a picture of my trophy and say, yeah, they do.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I want to see if they eat a frog and
boy did they eat a frog? Yes, sir okay. So
part of me was like, I can go out and
scope if I want on the river at not on
Neely you want, but that's the thing. That's not the
type of lake where you want to do that. You
want to get up close and personal. They don't live
out there, So there you go. So this is my point,
like Bass MLF any of these other tournaments, if they
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want to limit it, one of the things they can
do is right, we got three tournaments where you can
use a live scope because these are live scope and
type of lakes, Smith Lake, Lanier Fork, whatever you want
to say, that's right. But then you have to take it.
You know, you got to take the screen off your
boat and blah blah blah. They can do all that. Again,
it's not getting rid of technology. It's just limiting where
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you're allowed to use it and process application.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
The one thing that I've heard going around around and
around is having a schedule that's half and half half
with it, half without it.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
You're still going to find somebody that's going to bitch.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Though they will, they will, but.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I feel like you at West Logan won't.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
It wasn't even my idea, and I thought about it,
and I'm like, yeah, but then you're getting complicated, like
you got to put this on take it off, like,
but I think the one of the main things is
how it's not.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
That complicated for you guys, because watching you guys on live,
if you're eliminating a screen and that's the screen that
you use and that's not there, it's gone, Like you
can't see it. I don't care if you're transducers hooked
to the front of your troller motor or not.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, just if you.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Can't actually see what you're doing, like, okay, so it's fine,
Like it's all rules. The organizations are going to have
to become a little more like true professional sports and
they have more rules. Look at the NFL. The NFL
has made so many changes to the game this year.
You can't tackle this way, we're changing the kickoff. There's
a lot of guys that are pure like me, that
are like, this is crazy. I can't believe we're doing this.
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But they're doing it because they're worried about the safety
of players and based on the metrics that they've seen,
and the owners are sitting there going I just paid
this guy forty million dollars this year. You think I
want to see him go down because one guy made
a tackle in the backfield and he just kind of
grabbed him around the twisted right like they're trying to
eliminate watching their investments get hurt and get sidelined. So
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you're in it. You're in this professional sport of fishing.
Whatever rules that they lay out to you, you gotta
look at it and go bye. This is the mission
at hand. I gotta go, and I gotta to go
do this. I agree, you're the man West slogan as always.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
No, definitely not
All right, so we got to talk about it. There's
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a lot of things happening in the fishing community that
you and I need to have conversations about.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm up for it. I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Okay, what do you want to talk about first? You
want to talk about boat accidents in the Toyota Series,
I'm down with it. Or do you want to talk
about James Watson getting kicked out of the mL.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Ah, let's warm up with the boat?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
The boat?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Harris Chain showed uh two boat operators that co conspirated
to running a no wig zone. That's what it means. Coke,
You didn't, but did you hear about this?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I mean I saw the videos like where they got
the guy on the GoPro, like got him talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Zerni, who is a Toyota Series angler, was sitting waiting
for the lock just like everybody else. If you haven't
been to Harris Chain, you don't know that the lock
at a popka is a disaster. But it's meant to be. Like,
it's not there to help anglers get to fish. It's
there to limit control and movement through the water. Right,
so you're only allowed like three boats or something like that,
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and if you run to a popka to try to
get back to Leesburg, you're rolling the dice that you're
going to be back on time. So while they were
in the lock area waiting to go through, you can
hear these guys talking about and orchestrating that they're both
gonna run the no egg zone so they can try
to get back on time. Eric I think at that
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point it already resigned the fact that he's I'm gonna
be late, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Well, he's like, I mean he's one there, like he's
a local. Oh yeah, yeah, like he knows the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I went back and I looked at his stats and
when I saw zero's and yeah, yeah, thumbs up. So
when I finally saw the video and then I saw
the outcome of it, I wanted to get your opinion
on it, because you're on the water more than the
regular person. But these dudes were one idiots because they're
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talking about how they're going to run no egg zone.
Everybody knows governing bodies bass MLF, it doesn't matter. They
all say that you have to follow their rules, but
the rules of the water supersede anything else.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Every time, every time.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You can't get in trouble with the coast Guard, you know, No,
no government's gonna come down and drop the hammer. So
have you been in situations where you've seen guys talking
about like wanting to run no wig zones or do
something dangerous on the water. Maybe you were a co
early on in your career. Do you ever have a
booter that did that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, I've only fished Colin once in my life, and
he was a good dude.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
But no, I've never like heard people talking like they
were like they were about to do it. But I've
seen it happen one or two times. But I saw
it happen not in an instance to get back to
a weigh in, but it was to beat the other
anglers to an area, which either either way regardless, it
doesn't matter why you're doing it, Like it's posted no
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way for a reason, Like it's not just to slow
you down or to keep you from getting there all
the time, like it's it's most of the time for
safety or to keep you know, like big Bold water marinas,
Like yeah, like they they don't just a lot of
times like if the state or you know, the corp
of Engineers puts it there.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
There's a reason it's there.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Now, there's all there's times where the it's like somebody
has on their dock no wake, like just a little
sign and I'm like, okay, that you can't that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You literally can't do that.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
But anyways, but no, did what they the little bit
that I watch because I didn't watch this whole video.
I literally just heard them say it, and obviously you
know the outcome. But I'm like, how how can you
be not even a I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I guess, I mean, it's selfish what they do a
hundred percent because you don't know who's coming on the
other side.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
No, do you have a dude, and you have a
conger with you somebody's life in your hands, like they
have probably have a family. I mean he may not,
but regardless, it's his life like so, and he has
no control over what you do with that boat.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So I don't know, dude.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It It really had my blood bowling when I was
listening to it, just because of how they were kind
of making a joke about it, like they were just
kind of laughing like, oh, we're about to do this.
I'm like, that's just like one of the dumbest things
I've ever heard, and it really does put a bad
look on tournament bas sanglers all across the board.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I ain't got a buddy of mine. He's a personal
injury attorney. I had a conversation with him. Those co
anglers could sue their boat captains.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I don't know why you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You could personally suit them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I would not be against it.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I mean, I'm not like the sue and tight but
like you, you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough,
and if you play stupid games, you're gonna win stupid prize.
It's like, I mean, there should never have ever been
anything like that happened. And now did I hear right that?
Or there was a wreck both days Day one and
day two?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, there was definitely. There was definitely a situation that
happened both days.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I'm not in different in different the one going in
Haines Creek. I think it's Haines Creek going to Griffin.
And then there was another one in a popka. The
one that you and I are talking about was the Popka,
But I'm pretty I think another one happened also on
the other side, but.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Just in case, people don't know which video they saw.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Eric's video is the apop One.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So Eric's video is the Apopka. But then Eric also
has on his video where he pulls up and the
boat is on top of another boat.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So I hadn't seen that. Okay, I watched it.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That for that's the outcome. The guys that were talking
about running the no wake zone. The dude in front
was ready to go through, but for whatever reason, whether
he saw another boat or he didn't trust it or
something like that, he slowed down and the other guy
didn't realize it and drove up on top of them.
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They go through the bridge and then they crash into
the vegetation area and at some point one of the
guys is like, hey, I don't care what you do.
You need to get your boat off of my boat.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So were they buddies or were they just two different
anglis don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't know. I don't know how deep the relationship.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Goes because the way they were talking like we and
they may just you know how people talk openly like
they know everybody, like oh yeah, we're gonna run it.
Like I don't know if they made like a pack.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But you know, as well as I do that when
you're in certain tournament worlds, you start to meet other
anglers in that world where you might not have been
buddies for the last fifteen years, but over the last
couple of years you started to develop relationships with these guys.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know who you can kind of or you can
kind of trust them, or you think you can trust them.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I could see this.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I was a co angler on Harris and we came
up to a bridge that you can run. It's not
a no eg zone, you could run it. And I
looked at my I looked at my boater and I said,
you plan on run this? And he goes, oh, no, yeah, no,
I'm gonna slow down.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well, there's a bridge on the Popka side of the canal.
That's no way, correct, dude, I ain't running. There's no
way I'm running through.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And that's why I asked them, because that's the bridge. Yeah,
it's it's I mean, you can run it if you want,
like I'm giving my lesson as a co angler if
you want to. If you don't, I'm not gonna be mad.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I'm just I've just been in the boat too many times,
like I've been I've been driving a boat since I
was twelve, and I've seen it too many times where
either something's hung up on something and you can hit it,
or your lower unit goes out and your boat's gonna
turn one way or the other in an instant. Like
and I mean you're still in a canal, like you
could still wreck, but you're not gonna hit a concrete
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pillar of a bridge, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
I've seen guys run through that thing going like sixty five.
I'm like, dude, you have no h and I may
maybe you get in that mindset where and I've probably
ran some sketchy stuff or ran too close to something,
but I don't know, just just too like whatever the
word you used a minute ago, the cork whatever, what
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did you say?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Sort of a sea what? I don't even remember what
it was.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It maybe like yeah, the fact that they the fact
that they cocing spear, that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
They were about to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Like just because I've actually watched another video from down
there of an angler. It had nothing to do with
the wreck, but he was actually going to a papka
and on. When he was going through the lock, the
lock person had told him how many boats had come
through and come back and there had not been many
come back, and like he said, I was like, like
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you can hear it in his video. He said, dude,
I'm doing the math. If we don't leave right now,
we're not going through because there's not enough time with
all these boats. And he was like, literally one of
the last locks to get back through to make it
back on time. But I don't I don't know if
those guys just didn't row how many people had went
over there. But I mean that's the risk you play
going over there too. But there's never there's never amount
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of fish or amount of money to put somebody else's life,
including yours, Like it's it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Both the boaters have been suspended from all MLF tournaments
for at least one year, and that's from the date
that that came out, So that's like March twenty six.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Are you reading that? Is that exactly what it says
year for it? Does it say at.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Least it says at least one year? See, I just
is that a gray area for you?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Is it one year?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Or like, in my opinion, way, I don't think they
should ever be able to be in another time.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Okay, So I'm happy that you said that because I'm
the type of person where at the bare minimum I
thought it should be five years.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
One year's a joke, literally.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
But that tells me a lot more about what's happening
in professional because you have two You've got two guys
who say they want to fish in tournaments and they're
willing to put up a Toyota series. Is what eighteen
hundred bucks just for an entry feet seventeen to fifty.
Then you got gas on top of that, you got lodging.
You're impacting the local economy. There's a lot of money
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that changes hand, and MLF certainly wants a lot of
people to come over to their organization to fish, so
they don't want to lose out on the seventeen to fifty.
And if they're telling two guys like, hey, you can't
fish for at least a year, that gives them the
opportunity to be like, oh no, we did what we
were supposed to do, suspended these but hearing for at
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least that leaves the interpretation that it could be more.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, that's what I was I was wondering if you
were for were but.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
At least for a year. We're not going to get
any money from these guys. Well, how many tournaments are
they going to have after this?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Oh the hundreds?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Sure, but in that tournament schedule they only have maybe
one or two, right, because it's three tournaments for the
Toyotas per division.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Right, So you think that what's seventeen fifty twice? I mean,
what were eighteen hundred? That's thirty six hundred dollars. Let's
just say five grand from the both thanks?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I think what this?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Do you think that you think that five grand is? So?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Is that important to them? You think they're that struggling
that I'm like, I'm just asking, I'm not are Do
you think.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It doesn't look good? Do you?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
If you ran an organization you knew that you had
a lot of people bailing because of you know, co
Angler's not wanting to fish behind the scope. If you
knew that a lot of conversations were coming up about
whether or not you were going to sell, if there
was a lot of dissension in the ranks of former
guys or current guys that fish there, if you felt
like your organization was struggling, do you want to suspend
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two guys that actively willingly give you money to fish
these tournaments. Do you want to suspend them for a
life or do you want to sit there and go, well,
the possibility is that you could potentially come back. Yeah,
that's the organization, that's the business. If you and I
are looking at as people, I don't think that they
should be allowed to be in tournaments. And the main
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reason is because they've already shown and proved that they
will not operate their boat in a safe manner. And
it doesn't matter what body of water you're on, you
can't operate a boat in unsafe manners because of who
you have in the boat with you.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I just feel like they had an opportunity to And
this is not just because their MLF for all the
different question. It's the professional fishing because they consider themselves
like a I guess a Triple A league. The Toyota
series is they had an opportunity to wear it. Now,
now you've got co anglers looking at it, because youre
talking about co owners, not I want to fish behind
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the scopers. Now you have co owners looking at it
going well, how do I know if I go get
in the boat with a dude, I'm not gonna die
because now and I under now holding out there could
be some argument, Oh you never know if that's gonna happen.
But now the organization shows that they don't really take
take it seriously if they keep you safe. Well, we
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suspended them for a year. That's ridiculous. You're suspending a
guy for a year that almost killed two men and
could have killed somebody, killed four. Yeah, it could have
killed a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Six calling him over doesn't matter. Like if the guy
was slowing down because maybe another boat was coming through,
that would have been problematic exactly, you know. Or if
he just got up there and he's like, ooh that
is too tight, like I don't want to run, and
he backs down. You've got one of the co anglers
came from Michigan to my gosh, to fish for five
hundred and fifty bucks. That's what it takes for a
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co angler to be in the Toyota series. And that
guy almost because he was paired with this person. He
didn't pick it.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, just randomly drawn.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Randomly drawn. And that's why to me, I'm like, that's
a lifetime band.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I And another thing, I think the lifetime ban because
let's say they had to run the no wake for
an emergency, like if let's say something something bad was happening,
and okay, you had to you know, it was a
bad really trying to get you had a bad situation,
you were trying to get back wherever whatever, But you
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literally just fished too long.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's your own fault. And then you talked about it.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And thirdly, dude, it was documented like it wasn't hearsay
like word of mouth.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But then again, those guys have no idea when they're
talking about it that Eric Panzeroni's go pros are running, right,
I mean you could obviously see that. Almost now everybody
has cameras in the boats. I know in the Bass Elites,
you guys camera, Yeah, multiple cameras in the boat.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I mean, I mean when I go fishing now, I
run a camera just if I go out messing around,
just because.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Doing that to get content.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
No no, no, no, no no no no, just dude, you
don't know what's going on out there, like and there's
so much like termial, like you never know if somebody's
gonna try and like turn something around on you or
you know, make you look bad. So I mean, anytime
it's like having a dash can in your car driving. Sure,
there's a lot of people that do that now because
people getting cut off and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But so you're not just hoping that one day you
run across a caaren on a dock that starts chirping out.
Could happen or or you know, some dudes to say that,
I wouldn't put that up on.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Some Yeah, I mean, I mean, hey, hey, hey, any
any publicity is good publicity.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But I may get shot one day for fishing to
do to doc like at least somebody know who did it.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I would I would hope that that wouldn't be the case.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It almost happened down there wherever it was at Alabama
River or something, Miller's Ferry or something. Yeah, it was
either last year or two years ago. A guy come
out there with a shot. Not against you, no, no, no, no,
no, no no no.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It was a team tournament deal.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I mean he got indicted, but still like I don't
care if he got into I mean, all it takes
is one like, all it takes is one pool of trigger.
It don't matter if he gets indicted or not.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Those people don't realize that you don't own the water. No,
you can have a dock, you can have a boat,
you can have property, but you don't own the water.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Now, somebody's like vandalizing your dock. That's one thing you
can't tell us. Why not to fish your dog?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Well, let me ask you a question though, for the
fact that you and I are out on the water.
I grew up in a lake house and never came
across this situation. But now that I fish as much
as I do, and you've been fishing for years, it
certainly happens. Sometimes you cast, you miss your mark, your
hook gets lodged on a boat dock. Do you feel
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that it's okay to get off the boat, go to
the boat dock and get your hook back or in
most cases that's considered trespassing. Yeah, so you really shouldn't
be allowed to do it. But I'm sure as a
former dock owner, I would rather you get the hooks
off the dock because I don't want to come down
there in my bare feet and stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Correct, I get real.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I do everything I can to see if somebody's there,
like if they're inside, like try and wave out them
through the window or something, but like if it's on
top of the dock, I'll go get it because, like
you said, I don't want to leave it there, like
you skip underneath the dock.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'll just break bounce, Yeah, I'll just break it all.
I'll just break.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's funny because my lake house in Virginia on Smith
Mountain Lake, I remember my dad dropped something in the
water and I have my scuba gear with me, so
he was like, can you go find it? So I'm
underneath the dock.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
There's no telling how much is on you.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You wouldn't know how many wacky rigs and chatterbas. Oh
my god, I pulled off of underneath that.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Dock, crazy ton. Yeah yeah, but i mean.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Just and buried at a place where I'm like, damn
that d You can skip yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
A lot of time you make a good skip and
gets home, you're like, well that one's gone, like you
just pap.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Like Jack can't really nobody wants to lose that seventeen dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, But no, I am kind of
because I mean, you want to be respectful of everybody's
because you'd want somebody to be respectful yours. But I'd
hate to, like you said, leave something on top of
a dog and like their dogs step on it or
their kid or like.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And I think most dock owners would understand and respect
the fact that you're like, hey, I'm just getting this
hook off your dock, so there's not a problem. I
can't imagine that anybody would be like, get o, my dog,
just leave the hook. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, I've definitely now, I've had some that like when
they see you fishing, like coming down the bank, or
they come or they'll get a lot of times they
won't say nothing, but they'll walk out on the end
of the dock and just kind of standing there and
you're like, I just kind of go around, like I'll
either fish it later or whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm fortunate I haven't had anybody really see anything to
me about fishing their dock or fishing their area. I
will tell you this is happening more now that I'll
see somebody come out, Like if I'm fishing down a
stretch three houses up, I'll see somebody walk out of
their house and they got a fishing pull in their
hand and they go right down to their dock. And
sometimes that dock has got the juice sign up and
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you're like, oh man, you kind of want to fish
that dock, but you also know they're fishing, and I
like to give respect to them since that's their dock.
So I'm like, I'll just come back yep, And chances
are my angle is going to be better to catch
those fish anyway, because I'm going to the dock while
they're trying to go out away from the dock. I'm
sure you're the same way.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Like you don't fish, Yeah, you can have it, but
like I'm probably gonna try and swing back and hit
it again, especially especially if it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You stay on that side. I'll stay over here, and
then we can switch, rotate, do whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Now, I have had a couple of instances where there's
been somebody fishing on their dock and they're like, come
on you, like they'll be you know, throwing off the
end of it or the side of you can throw
just throw up on her and catch one.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Well, they don't like that. Some of them are cool
about the oh man.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's awesome, and then some of them are just well
they get all sold up. I'm like, man, you like
you couldn't catch it and it was under your dock.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I call on on Logan Martin and this it was
this kid and he probably was twelve thirteen years old
something like that, and he was throwing something completely different
than I was, and I had some of these extra baits.
It was just a worm, like I was flipping the dock.
It wasn't anything crazy, but he was throwing like a
crappy jig. But he was trying to catch bass, which
he can catch every once in a while. And I
ended up having an extra pack, so I said, hey,
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try these and just throw them up there. And I
feel like that kind of squashed it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Pull out a three pounder and he's sitting there just
catching a little bluegill and he sees that. He's like, man,
I didn't know they lived down here, jacket. Let's move
over to another situation where bass was launching an investigation
against an angler. Brian Knew disqualified from the Saint Croix
bass Master open at Santee Cooper. This has been upheld. Now.
(19:41):
I don't really know the details in this. All I
know is the investigation came out that they feel like
he messed up a fish's bedding area on purpose. To
delay somebody else from being able to catch those fish?
Am I reading that right now?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That's that's the I guess the what I I read.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's all I've I know about as much as you
do on it, because I think it kind of blindsided
a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I don't know anybody that knew about it. And uh, but.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Apparently this happened on TV or on live somewhere online
where another angler found out about it and protested this.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
No, the the story that I've heard. I've heard both sides.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I've read news post after I guess the appeal got
upheld or you know, the appeal didn't, whatever that works.
And then the angler that submitted the protest and the
footage there was supposedly there was three of them site
fishing in this pond at saying teh an angler, an
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open angler or two open anglers and a new and
just just a quick runt of what I've heard. And
the angler that that protested him or eventually ended up protesting,
actually posted a YouTube video yesterday morning explaining step by
step what happened in the pas of everything going down.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay, it was Andrew.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Upshaw's who it was, so he's got his video on
YouTube if you want to go check it out. He
kind of because he said he was getting a lot
of heat and a lot of you know, a lot
of hate on the comments from from news post, and
then he kind.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Of played by play or laid it out.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But basically, those three were in here are in this pond.
The guy in the backs fishing for a pair, there
was a three and a six pounder news fishing for one.
Upshaws fishing for one. The guy in the back fishing
for the pair of them catches the three pounder, continues
to fish for the female, can't get her to buy it,
like this is a long time coming, sure, but a
short version the guy leaves the open, angler leaves knw
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goes over there to fish for it, fish for it
for a you know, a certain amount of time, doesn't
catch it. Says that this is what Andrew said. I mean,
I don't this is just me playing to death out.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Let me pull up part of his video and just
kind of see where we're at with his story.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
A few minutes, you know, after that he decided to
slide off. And whether or not, you know, he was
trying to let it rest or whatever, I don't know
what he was doing. I mean, he just slid off
of it. I know he didn't catch it. I mean
because I was less than one hundred yards away, so
I could see him very very well. And about that
time I looked down on my scout model Malla Rants
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and I see a big blob on there and it
was on a bed, and I started fishing for it.
And I you know, I start fishing for this fish
and I'm working it, working at working it and nothing.
And actually by this time, Brian had actually slid to
the back of the pond where that bed and fish was,
(22:38):
and he slid up, set his power pole down. I mean,
like I said, anybody that went through there and practice
saw that fish. It was a very very easy fish
to see. It wasn't a hard fish to see. Okay,
So Brian set up on the fish. I figured he
already knew about it too, But I was for the
sake of the size of the pond, I wasn't going
to go past them and go that fish. I didn't
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feel like it was right to pass new I didn't
feel like it was right to pass the other angler.
So I just stayed at the back and my intention
was to continue to work on through there. Well, Brian
sets up on the fish, and I'm still on this
blob that I see on my scout mode, and I'm
fishing for it, fishing fort fishing for it nothing. And
(23:21):
I actually I had new lined up and he was
my cast. So that's how I knew exactly where to
cast because I was flipping right at the front of
his boat the entire time, even though he was about
seventy five to one hundred yards away.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So basically, if I surmise this right, he's watching new
fish for another fish, so he knew he was there.
He wasn't going to try to go around Brian because
he didn't want to disturb what Brian was doing. That's
that angler etiquette that you and I have talked about.
And then when Brian leaves after not catching this fish,
he washes out the bed with his troller motor, whether
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he knowingly did it or not.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Bo by what Andrew says in the video a little
bit after where you just stopped it. He says that
Brian trolls up on to where the bed, you know,
the area of where the bed Andrew thinks it is,
and washes his troll mote to the left where it
almost throws him out of the boat, to the right,
to the left, to the right, and then back washes
it and goes to leave. And you can't do that,
(24:21):
I mean from what morally, I wouldn't do it. No,
I did not realize. And maybe this is my fault
for not reading the rules. I didn't know there was
a rule that you couldn't do that, but I didn't
me personally, I would never think to do that, so
I wouldn't worry about it being a you know what
I'm saying right like, And Brian is his own parton
(24:41):
Like I talked to Brian, and he is very competitive,
like his mind works that way. I guess mine, I
just if I couldn't catch it, that'd be that.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't have a problem with somebody getting on their
trolling motor to get out in the area. I think
where a lot of people would have a problem is
if you are knowingly disturbing the habitat in which a
fish is actively spawning. That's where I would have a
problem with it. Because listen, as much as we love
to tournament fish, as much as you and I love
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to hunt, we are the true keepers of the wildlife.
So to me, that's no different than going out into
a deer's habitat and messing with the deer habitat knowingly
that you're trying to screw something up. Where if you're
walking into a deer habitat or let's say a duck
blind you're walking through rows of corn, and you start
breaking over rows of corn, you're now destroying the habitat.
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That limits what those ducks are able to do.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, agree, It just I don't know why, like, like
why I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Here's the thing that I that I don't like about
MLF and about bass. And maybe the NPFL can take
note to this. If you're going to put out a
press release as to why you've decided to uphold a
suspension or launch an investigation or kick somebody off a
tournament trail, you have to give the full story in
(26:07):
your press release. Yes, every single one of these press releases,
it just says violation of rule seven. Well what's that rule? Say?
What are the actual terms in which it said? Or
why did somebody protest somebody else? Why did somebody protest
somebody about powerpole breaks? Why would somebody like give me
the full launching story. So as a reader, I feel
(26:30):
like I'm really involved, and I understand that this is
the unbiased view, because otherwise it kind of reads like
the MLF story reads where James Watson has been suspended,
no plans to fill that spot, and it doesn't really
say why. Everybody who's involved in tournament fishing will sit
(26:52):
there and go, well, I know exactly why. I know
that there's been disparaging remarks based on the contract that
mL F angler sign but what was it specifically, why
did this come to light? Share with me the actual
story that led to a decision. Don't just say we've
led to this decision and that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I just wonder why all the organizations like if you,
if you, if you put out a press release, you're
obviously wanting the public to know about it. Correct, Like
that's what a press release is for. Or no, it's
because you're in You're in this.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, so a press release is to let the press
world know that you've made a change. But I feel
like in a lot of situations, a press release is
more of we acknowledge that it happened, but here's what
we're doing and move on. It's kind of like when
you work a job and you get fired from that job.
A press release in the professional fishing world right now
(27:49):
feels like this, and I'm going to use you as
an example. Wes Logan, who did sales for us, has
exited the company. We wish him well in his future endeavor.
It doesn't tell you anything. It doesn't say that, you know,
Wes Logan exited the company because he was stealing toilet paper,
(28:10):
you know, like it doesn't tell the listener or the
reader what actually took place. And then the bad part
is with social media, you'll get all these other blog
posts that pop up and all they're doing is copying
and pasting the press release and they're trying to write
something on to get clicks, so you get credit for
people going to that blog. So, like the James Watson thing,
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obviously all of us who were in fishing understand that
he and Boyd Duckett have had problems with each other.
Whether it's the way that Boyd in the management team
runs MLF. I think it's a little interesting that Boyd
is an owner of MLF but gets to fish like
he had to me as a conflict of interest. You know,
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you almost have to decide to do one or the other.
You can't do both. That's kind of like Roddell playing
football and then stopping in the middle of a game
being like, Nope, I don't like.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That we do this anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
We can't do it. And that's how it reads. And
I've heard a lot of people say like, well, it's
freedom of speech. He should be allowed to say whatever
he wants.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, but he signed a contract exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And in your job, if you go to work and
you decide to speak up against your boss, the person
who signed your check, and you say I don't like
that you do this, they'll fire you, yes, like they'll
walk away from you. And there are certain states that
are right to work and there are certain states that
aren't right to work. And you have to know the
state that you're in. So does James Watson know what
(29:36):
he was up against? Sure, James is also looking at
his career and he's like, man, I've been doing this
for a long time. I don't need this dog and
pony show. Yeah, right, Like I don't need to be
in this situation. And man, I'd love to get him
on here to actually talk about it and clear the air.
I know he's going on Luke Duncan's podcast, and I'm
going to listen to that for sure. But I'm pretty
sure the FBD hats that came out, I'm sure that
(29:58):
didn't do well. Fish Boat Docs Daily, man, I get it. Yeah,
I love flipping the doc. I mean it's perfect, yes,
but at some points, you know, you signed a contract.
You kind of have to live in that world.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
If you want to go out and you want to
burn the bridges down while you go, dude, that's your parrogas.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
That's what he's doing. I mean, and I mean you can't.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You can't blame him for for being upset for what
people I agree, I agree, but the the people that
the Yeah, it's freedom of speech. But again, like you said,
and I like James, I've never been around him a lot,
but he's a really good guy.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
He's always been nice to me. But you did sign
a contract.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
So and I even I think I saw him post
something that he's not even really upset that he's not
fishing anymore, like it was never he said, it's done
pretty much, it's got I don't know if he said this,
but it looks to me like it's gotten to a
point where it's gotten personal for him. Obviously he don't
care about fishing tournaments with fl or MLF anymore. He's
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obviously got a very well off other forms of income.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
He doesn't need it.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
No, he doesn't need it. If he loves to fish
and has great sponsors. But he's doing it just as
much now for his sponsors then then, I mean, the
apparel is probably bringing him more money right now than
the whole organization that just cut him.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
No problem with that.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I mean, it wouldn't take a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
But I don't think it was the problem with the
FBD hats that he originally had. But when he started
to incorporate the duck at Rod's logo, that's where it
was like, oh dude, now, like, you're not just shaking
the cage, you're grabbing that thing, and you're driving down
a bumpy back road with a bunch of speed bumps
like the ear. You're making it well known, and look,
all that publicity helps him sell apparel. It's not a problem,
(31:43):
right if he wants to go fish the NPFL, if
he wants to go fish that tournament series or that
tournament that's gonna bear, which is the no live scope tournament,
no practice either. I'm gonna be very interested to see
how that plays out. I've known some of the organizers
of it. I know a lot of other guys on
that lake that are talking about it. It'll be interesting.
(32:05):
I think this will breed a tournament trail that will
still not be the Bass Master Elites, and it still
won't be the BPT at MLF because until you have
to qualify to be there, I don't feel that it
is truly a professional league.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It's kind of like when you go through high school
and you go through college and you're playing baseball, basketball, football,
whatever it is. You have to kind of cut your
teeth there, and then when you get an offer, hey,
come you can come be professional. It's no different.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Now, if you wanted to go play, let's say that
you were a professional baseball player, you get cut from
the Phillies. You get cut from the Phillies, they send
you pack, and if you decide that you want to
go back and play adult baseball, you can. Yes, That's
kind of what these other tournaments are starting to feel
like to me. It's guys that are like, I want
to stay in it. Yeah, I want to push because
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they love fishing. Yeah, I want to do high stakes.
I don't want to do a pot tournament for twenty bucks.
I want to play in a place where I could
possibly win some big That's right.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
They they love the competition, you know, they want to
fish competitively.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But the the the rumor that.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Not that I wouldn't call it rumors, just the chatter
that you hear from the guys that are older than me,
like much older that's been around a long time. They're
they're tired of the drama, they're tired of the bs,
as they say, and then they just want to go
fish for a year or two and just.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Looking different, right, Like it's it's a different layout than
how it was when you got in oh Man, and.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
That wasn't but five years ago or probably seven years ago.
But like it's not even it ain't even close to
the same.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
So imagine, you know, these guys coming up watching some
of their favorites in the late eighties the nineties, and
fishing really hadn't changed that much. You know, some of
the things have changed, Both layouts have changed, the technology
has changed. Uh, but I think live Scope, especially this year,
that was obviously the wake up call for a lot
of people that it's just not going away. I had
(34:07):
a conversation with a guy the other day, you know how.
We were talking about how you know there's a good
chance that they're going to limit the number of transducers.
I don't think a lot of people are thinking about
what Laurance, humming Bird and Garman have probably already thought
about and are probably already working on right now. The
Garment live scope. You've got what a thirty five percent cone.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, they're all they're all a little different.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Like it's it's really not that big.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, it's all they're all a degree oriented. Yeah, one
of them five degrees. Okay, so thirty five degree. You
got to be really good with your cast to hit
thirty five degree. What's going to stop them from doing
one hundred and eighty degree to go on the front
of the boat, Dude, it's technology. There's nothing that can
stop them.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
As long as it bass says to them like, hey,
you're only you're only allowed one transducer, they'll just find
out a way where they can have wider cone for
a transducer. It goes on your trolling motor.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
The only thing that I've noticed because one of the
company's beam is a lot wider than the other, right,
and they did that to be able to see more
at one certain time. The problem is the narrower the cone.
When you see your bait and your and the fish,
you're on the fish. Okay, So what I noticed with
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the bigger cone, and obviously they can do it. I'm
just giving you an example of what I've seen. The
bigger cone. You could think your bait is near that fish,
and you could be ten foot off of right.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But here's this is all what you're saying. I'm not
even I'm not even bringing up for just the live
skill thing. What I'm saying is, yeah, yeah, if we
were having this exact conversation in nineteen seventy eight and
we were talking about the idea that there was going
to be a thing called side skin where you could
drive down a bank and you could look over and
you would see those guys would be like, you're crazy,
(35:56):
that will never happen. Yeah. My point is the technology
is here. They're only going to expand on that technology.
And if they say we're going to limit the number
of transducers, that's where you play for that year or
two years until the technology catches up. When the technology
catches up, everybody will get rid of those transducers and
they'll get the bigger ones. It's just a part of it.
(36:16):
So I think that, yes, well.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It's already happening now with the salt water transducers from garment. Right,
nobody's hardly ever running the real big scoping guys like
that are you know, very good at it. They have
the life the salt water one. There's a reason, right,
But that saltwater one can see further.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
We'll also get better, yep, And it will be you
know a matter of years when that cone goes from
thirty five degree to maybe seventy and then ninety, and
then all of a sudden you're at one hundred and eight,
and then all of a sudden that mega imaging that
I love with Hummingbird, with Mega three sixty, that three sixty.
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At some point you'll start to see the fish just
swimming around all around the boat, and it'll be up
to you on what you want to do, and it'll
be a completely different ballgame at that point. So technology
will be there, it's just whether or not MLF BASS
and any other turning organization wants to limit what you
can do with it when you have it. That's it.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
I did hear one thing I just get I want
to I want your opinion. I want your opinion on it,
because it really threw me off, and I'm like, how
do I don't understand the thinking of this. Somebody told
me that. They said, well, I wasn't even talking about
They were like, well, they can't get rid of it,
and I was like, okay, just I want to know why,
because I like hearing people's thoughts, like I like knowing
how they lifcope. I said, why can they not get
(37:37):
rid of it? He's hold on, hold on, just listen
to what he said. He said, because the younger generation
that has made it to professional fishing right now that
rely on it. That's how they got here. And if
you took it away from them, how is that fair?
Because that's all they know.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I'll give you a doser reality. This doesn't impact you
as much as it impacts other guys.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Oh absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
When you and I were in high school and you're
younger than I am, I forget that every once in while.
I feel like, sometimes you and I are the same age.
You're younger than that. Okay, When I was in high school,
I had a TI eighty three calculator, had sign co
Sign Tangent or whatever. Never used it. Right, once I
got done with school and never used it. That calculator
(38:27):
has been replaced by a much bigger and better calculator
and mostly computers. Okay, So if I tried to go
back and brought a TI eighty three calculator to you
and put it in your hands and said here, use this,
you'd be like, what is this?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
But imagine if it was somebody who's way younger than
you and I brought them a TI eighty three and
said here, figure this out. They could probably do it,
but there's so much technology that they've come up with
that they understand that for them, they're like, well, I
could just do it this way, and I could do
it this way because this is what I've learned. So
(39:10):
the point about not getting rid of it is people
die off and the technology that is coming behind them.
They can learn it while they're in it, but then
once they're not in anymore, they don't have to worry
about it. So yeah, I don't think that you can
get rid of the technology once it comes out, but
you can limit the technology that you have.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
No, And just to clear it up, I wasn't saying
I want it banned it. It was he brought it
up in conversation. I wasting rid of it, Yeah, and
he was like, well, you can't take it away from them,
but if you look at the older no, I don't
even want to say the older generation, the guys that
haven't relied on it as much. Well, I don't understand
how that's fair to that, but either way, it was
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just when he said that, I was like.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That, that don't I don't know, Okay, I haven't thought
about it like that.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Here's here's another opinion that I have about the live
scope thing, is the tournament that's happening on Lake Lanier
where you can't use your live scape. When you and
I first sat down on this podcast, and I think
Joseph was in with us, we were talking about live
scope at the infancy of people talking about which is
(40:19):
so funny because you and I and Joseph and all
these other guys we've been hearing it for the last
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
What nothing new?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
It felt like Jesus, this conversation keeps coming up. But
to the mainstream people that was the big deal. You
know how many people come up to me now and go, hey,
they have transducers coming off the jack blade. I'm like,
they've had This isn't anything new. But anyway, I'll get
back to the original point. My point about the whole
live scope thing is I said on that first podcast
(40:50):
that we sat down, if you want to find out
who the best fisherman is in the country, then you
have to have an open invitation to anybody comes out,
and you do it over the course of an entire week.
You do seven days of fishing, and you got to
go to different lakes, so you can pick a geographical
area if you want, but you're not allowed anything other
(41:13):
than a mapp And that's it. The hard part about
fishing is almost every fisherman has good knowledge of every
lake that they go to. If it's a lake that
they think they're going to have to go to, they'll
spend some time. Yes, and your knowledge base right now
is a good knowledge base. But imagine putting that knowledge
(41:35):
base up against somebody who's been doing it now in
their sixties and they start at the same time you did.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Oh no, no, you can't.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
They have incredible knowledge, right, So the technology side gives
everybody the same opportunity, but it's still those little intangibles
that will change the game. And if somebody was looking
at it and they go, hey, man, i've been fishing,
you know, shallow water for forty I have live scope.
I've used it a little bit. All it does is
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change the table a little bit. If you decide to
go out and you decide to use it and dedicate
yourself to it, you're learning something else. But you still
have all these other tools in your toolbox. Yes, that
maybe the guy that grew up on live scope doesn't
know he doesn't know how to read the water, he
doesn't know how to line himself up, But that technology
(42:26):
that they have that might be all they know. If
you have to get to an elite level, though, you
got to be good enough at all of it, good
enough at all of it. You don't have to be great.
You got to be good enough at all of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I did have a conversation with one of the guys
h and I'm not gonna say who that qualified this
that's with us this year, and they said, he said, look,
I know your opinion on it, and I'm like, dude,
it ain't nothing personally against like it's just and it
was back when the whole Forte deal went down.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But he was like, think about this.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
You've got two hundred and twenty of probably some of
the best anglers in the world trying to compete for
ten places on the opens. Do you really think you're
gonna be able to go down the bank in ten
of those tournaments or now I hired them in nine
of them and make the top ten with two hundred
and twenty people beating the banks. And I was like, no,
He's like, that's why you got to commit to life
(43:22):
scope to get there. I was like, dude, that's a
great point. I said, I'm with you. It's like, I'm
not arguing.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
That you and I have had this conversation about.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
How ye, it's a game.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
You are in a game with one hundred and three other.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Guys and the lakes where we're playing, right. It's just
the only difference to anything else is it's public.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Everybody. Every other organization is not public.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
If the boundary line is bank to bank and everything in.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Between, its fair game.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Boy. You just expose everything in between. And there are
plenty of guys that are like, I don't like that
that guy won that way. Sure, I don't either. I
wouldn't like it when I played college baseball that we
went up against a team that hit home runs and
we just need to get somebody on base. And played
small ball. Sometimes you have to change your strategy in
order to do it. That's why. For you, what makes
(44:08):
you a good angler, what makes you a great bass master,
elite angler, is you got to be well rounded in
all of.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
It you do.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
You do, but it just there's some instances where.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It chaps your ass. I'm sure, because yeah, you want
to you want to be it. Listen, you're really good
at a swim jig. Stop it.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I mean I'll call some I have called bass on it,
but I mean, do you drop it. It doesn't matter
that I'm good at it anymore. But my point is
you're good at a swim jig. So if you could
go out and win on a technique, your favorite technique.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Would you choose a swim jig? Would you choose a
crank bait? Would you choose top water?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It would be swimming a gig.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Okay, so swimming a jig. Right, if you get into
a tournament where you know they're crushing a swimjig, and
it's the right ones that are crushing a swimjig. You're
sitting there licking your chops. Boy, you have no idea
what's coming to you. Livescoper does the same exact thing.
If he knows that he can get them to bite
and thirty foot of water, he's going to go out
throw that little min no, throw a six inch drift
fry or whatever he wants to do. And listen, I know,
(45:07):
but it's still a tech and that's his deal that
he that he wants to do. But if you could
beat his brakes off, you're gonna want to beat his
brakes off.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, But I'm with you, it's not worth it. Like
I don't. I'm not arguing with you.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
It's just a whole different deal that if he didn't
have that technology, he wouldn't even be catching that fish
that he's fixing to beat my brains out with.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
To where everything you've ever learned fishing. But he could,
you could learn to swim a g.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
He could still go out deep if he knows that
there's a hump over in this area and he was
able to train.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
On a hump, yes, on a piece of structure but
I'm talking about if he's been fisher out there and
walk over sixty.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Swimming in five foot, I get it. We'll never get caught.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
So I've also made this concession a few times. If
you really want to isolate it and you want to
take tournament fishing into a place where you feel like
is competitive, you give people a map and you go
have at it, go for it. Well, that's not fair
because I got to be able to scout, and I
got to be able to try to find some things
(46:10):
when I can. Okay, fine, Then you get down imaging
and all you're allowed to see is what's happening directly
under the boat and maybe a little bit on the outside.
So the question is where do you limit the decision.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
As far as the technology.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah, I've never understood the argument of comparing side scan
to I'm.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Not comparing the two, just like you saying which one
Where At what point would you say technology is ample
enough to go out and catch a fish?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Was it sonar?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Was it down image?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
I think side imaging in three sixties, like with the
that's pushing it.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Is that where it started to change.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Because the three sixties where it started to change.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
I feel like so the three sixty being able to
go all the way around the boat and you just
recognize that there's a brush pile over here, there's a
pile of rocks over here, and you can.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
See you can see fish on three six. It's obviously
not live and you've got to know what you're looking at,
but you can see them. That's where the technology. And
I have a three sixty, like it's great for fishing
structure and stuff, but I don't know the just the
being able to live time, know when your bait's right
on his nose or just I don't know that's I've
(47:23):
ruffled so many feathers do. I'm just like, I just
need to shut up. But it's not Listen, you have
an opinion and I have it, and I have been
using it since I talked to you at four, Like
I'm going to get better at it. But the only
reason I'm doing it is because they're forcing me to.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Dude, I went out to Neely Henry the other day.
I sent you a message sixty four degree water.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I started to tell you, I started to send you
a picture of my trophy and say, yeah, they do.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I want to see if they eat a frog and
boy did they eat a frog? Yes, sir okay. So
part of me was like, I can go out and
scope if I want on the river at not on
Neely you want, but that's the thing. That's not the
type of lake where you want to do that. You
want to get up close and personal. They don't live
out there, So there you go. So this is my point,
like Bass MLF any of these other tournaments, if they
(48:12):
want to limit it, one of the things they can
do is right, we got three tournaments where you can
use a live scope because these are live scope and
type of lakes, Smith Lake, Lanier Fork, whatever you want
to say, that's right. But then you have to take it.
You know, you got to take the screen off your
boat and blah blah blah. They can do all that. Again,
it's not getting rid of technology. It's just limiting where
(48:34):
you're allowed to use it and process application.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
The one thing that I've heard going around around and
around is having a schedule that's half and half half
with it, half without it.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
You're still going to find somebody that's going to bitch.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Though they will, they will, but.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I feel like you at West Logan won't.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
It wasn't even my idea, and I thought about it,
and I'm like, yeah, but then you're getting complicated, like
you got to put this on take it off, like,
but I think the one of the main things is
how it's not.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
That complicated for you guys, because watching you guys on live,
if you're eliminating a screen and that's the screen that
you use and that's not there, it's gone, Like you
can't see it. I don't care if you're transducers hooked
to the front of your troller motor or not.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, just if you.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Can't actually see what you're doing, like, okay, so it's fine,
Like it's all rules. The organizations are going to have
to become a little more like true professional sports and
they have more rules. Look at the NFL. The NFL
has made so many changes to the game this year.
You can't tackle this way, we're changing the kickoff. There's
a lot of guys that are pure like me, that
are like, this is crazy. I can't believe we're doing this.
(49:43):
But they're doing it because they're worried about the safety
of players and based on the metrics that they've seen,
and the owners are sitting there going I just paid
this guy forty million dollars this year. You think I
want to see him go down because one guy made
a tackle in the backfield and he just kind of
grabbed him around the twisted right like they're trying to
eliminate watching their investments get hurt and get sidelined. So
(50:07):
you're in it. You're in this professional sport of fishing.
Whatever rules that they lay out to you, you gotta
look at it and go bye. This is the mission
at hand. I gotta go, and I gotta to go
do this. I agree, you're the man West slogan as always.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
No, definitely not
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