April 19, 2025 • 39 mins
In this episode of the RepcoLite Home Improvement Show, host Dan Hansen discusses home dust issues and the mixed effectiveness of duct cleaning based on listener feedback. The episode's highlight is an engaging interview with Keegan Somers from Vivid Creative Contracting, who shares insights about his family-run business, the rewarding nature of his work, the importance of proper prep work in painting, and valuable tips for DIYers. Somers also reflects on the merits of pursuing a trade over a traditional college education. The episode concludes with a note about Benjamin Moore paint discounts.CHAPTERS00:00 Sick of the Cold02:50 Show Overview and Guest Introduction03:15 Dealing with Dust: Tips and Insights04:31 Duct Cleaning: Is It Worth It?08:54 Interview with Keegan Summers: Background and Career14:20 Finding Meaning in Work19:21 Common Misconceptions About Painting21:09 The Importance of Consulting Experts22:39 Weirdest Job Site Experiences24:41 Favorite Tools and Products29:23 Cabinet Repainting Tips33:47 Life Outside of Painting35:36 The Value of Trades vs. College38:28 Conclusion and Contact Information
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, good morning everybody. How are you doing. I personally
am petulant. I was petulant no longer. I am petulant
no longer. But this whole week, I've been petulant like
a child. I'm not proud of this, but you know,
the show's all about honesty. I let you see the
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ugly as well as the glorious, and this open is
a little ugly. Yeah. When I say petulant like a child,
I guess what I'm getting at is, you know how
sometimes kids can be so overwhelmed with a situation, you know,
some perceived unfairness. You know, some perceive slight. You know,
they sense that, and they get so overwhelmed that they
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just collapse in a heap of tears. You know that stage,
that ugly toddler stage. That's the stage I've been in
all week long. For example, I went out to the
truck the other day to just go to work, right,
I am minding my own business. I am, I'm just
going to work. And I get outside and the temperature
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is still thirty four degrees or lower. I don't even
know what it was, but it's not higher than that.
The truck windshield has frost on it. It's so thick,
it's got to be scraped off. And when that happened,
that was almost a bridge too far for this little
this little man. If getting up off the ground wasn't
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so much work at my age, i'd have just collapsed
in a heap on the driveway, in tears, little freezing tears.
Fortunately I'm too old for that, you know, too old
to collapse on the ground. I could break a hip
or something like that. And even if I don't break
a hip, as I've already said, getting up it's not
easy anymore. So I didn't do that. I didn't collapse,
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but internally, internally, I was railing at the universe. Like
I was two years old. I was so mad, so
sick of the cold. Now I know I choose to
live here. I can hear what everybody's thinking. I choose
to live in Michigan. I know that, I know, I
know that I need to man up. I need to
enjoy the cold for what it is, right because at
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some point in the year will be wishing it was cold.
Is there ever that point? I don't know. I don't know.
I know I got to handle it better, but I'm
sick of it. You know. I know the weather's gonna turn,
and I guess I gotta keep focusing on that. It's
gonna turn. It's gonna get better. The robins are gonna
stop freezing to death in the trees. You know, the
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spring's gonna come. It's gonna be a happy day when
that happens. You're gonna hear me whooping and hollering. Wherever
you live. Just hang your head outside on a warm
Saturday morning and you hear whooping and hollering. That's me celebrating. Anyway,
that's been my week. You're listening to the Repco Light
Home Improvement Show sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and today on
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the show, let's get to important stuff. Today on the show,
I'm gonna be sitting down and talking with Keegan Summers
from Vivid Creative Contracting. He's one of our painting contracts.
He's a regular listener of the show, and we're gonna
be talking about everything from you know how his company
got it start, to his go to paint choice for walls,
to his tips and tricks for getting great results when
painting cabinets and tons more. All of that is coming up.
(03:14):
Lots of good stuff, but for right now I want
to get to a topic that I kind of started
last week. I promised that i'd get to this last week,
and I'm delivering on that promise. For regular listeners, you
may remember that I talked about all the dust in
my home last week. In fact, when you think about it,
if you're a regular listener, you have heard so many
negative things about my home that you got to wonder
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how we stay alive in that place. You know, I've
talked about mice and spider infestations and dust and you
name it. I mean, nobody's ever going to buy my house,
you know, nobody who listens on the radio, they're gonna
you know, they'll know that if they do buy it,
it's just got to be raised to the ground or
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burnt to the ground, and then you build on the ashes.
It's it's not that bad. I just tend to exaggerate
a little bit for drama on the radio. But anyway,
I talked about all of that. That's neither here nor there.
I'm getting sidetracked. Anyway. My main point last week was
to talk about all that dust, you know, and why
some homes have so much dust, and then also of
course dig into ways to minimize it. Now, if you
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miss that and you are dealing with dust, go check
it out. You can find the podcast wherever you get
your podcasts, or you can find it online at repcolit
dot com. Just click the on the radio tab right
there on the homepage. Check it out. But one of
the potential fixes in dealing with dust, one of the
potential fixes is obviously to have somebody come out and
clean your air ducts out. And in fact, that was
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my first first thought, you know, when I was assessing
the situation, I just need to get the ducks cleaned out.
I had a ton of people tell me that's the solution,
just get the ducks cleaned out. But it's not inexpensive,
and it does, you know, the expense makes me curious
what the feedback is amongst people who've done it. So
I did a lot of research. I asked for input
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from listeners, and I've gathered a ton of anecdotal evidence
that I'm going to compile here. And I know this
is anecdotal, so do with that what you want, but
I still think it's really helpful. So after doing all
of that research asking for input from listeners, here's what
I've got. Most people who've had their ducks cleaned don't
experience the game changing dust elimination that they thought they
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were going to experience. Now, it's not to say it's
not worth doing. For example, plenty of people reported that
a lot of visible gunk was pulled out of their ducks,
you know, pet hair, construction debris, decades of build up.
You know. They said they knew all that junk came
out of their ducks, and that made them feel better
about their home, but they were still a little bummed
to find that they still had dust settling on surfaces
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throughout the home even after the ducks were cleaned. Other
people had a slightly different experience. They said that the
removal of all that gunk from their ducks did help
reduce the dust, but still a lot of these folks
went on to say that it wasn't a game changer.
You know, that was the word they used. It's not
a game changer. So what does that mean? Well, after
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digging into it, this is what they were feeling. They
had what they called a short term win from this.
One person in particular explained that he had six months
or so, you know, of less dust accumulating on furniture
and floors and stuff. Another person echoed that, so they
had that same type of experience, and they also said
the house smelt cleaner for you know, about six months
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or so, but even those folks saw the dust grow
again as time went on. So what's the bottom line.
Is it worth it? Well, the general consensus is that
people who suffer with allergies definitely feel that the air
quality in their home improved after duct cleaning. Also, people
who just completed a renovation or who've got a number
of pets in their home, especially heavy shedding pets, if
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they've got pets in the home, they also feel that
the duct cleaning had a worthwhile effect on the dust
situation in their home. So it was positive in that regard.
So that said, for the most part, most people who've
done it, including those people, don't feel that it's an
essential maintenance step for every single home. They feel it's situational.
You know, if you know the ducks in your home
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are in bad shape with lots of build up, lots
of pet hair, whatever, then it can definitely be a
part of the process of removing dust from your home,
and it probably should be a part of removing you
know the dust from your home, but don't go in
thinking that it's a silver bullet. In most situations, the
dust isn't coming solely from this source, from your ducks,
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and because of that, cleaning just this source isn't going
to remove all of the dust that you're dealing with.
If you go into it knowing what it's going to
do for you, you're not going to be frustrated. You're not
going to have your expectations shattered. Best thing I can
tell you, I think is what I told you last week.
By one of those cheap snake cameras online and the
little snake cameras, you can run it right down into
the ducks. They're like thirty to fifty bucks somewhere in
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that range. You can view what the camera is seeing
on your phone. Some of them have little monitors. Run
it into the duct work at your home. See what
you've got. If it's overloaded with all kinds of goodies,
it's probably worth getting a crew out there to at
least give you an estimate. But even if you do that,
even if you have the ducks clean, remember that dust
from skin fabric and outdoor infiltration keeps coming back into
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the home. Unless you deal with those issues as well,
and some of them you know, dust from skin. Uh.
Not many ways to get around that. It's just going
to be a continual thing unless you decide to not
live in your home. You know, you could seal it
off and keep everybody out. Maybe that would work. Anyway,
Hopefully that gives you a better understanding of the benefits
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and the limitations of duct cleaning. All right, let's take
a break. When we come back, I'll be in the
studio with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. That's all next.
Stick around and we're back. You're listening to the Repco
Light Home Improvement Show sponsored by Benjamin Moore. And right
(08:59):
now a portion of a conversation that I had earlier
this week with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And
I love these contractor interviews. You know, not only do
we talk about products and painting tips and all of that,
but they also help you out there get to know
the people behind the work and when you're hiring a pro,
you know, to come out to your house and do
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some work that really matters. This particular one right now,
what I'm going to play is just a small portion
of the full conversation, A lot of good stuff. I
just didn't have time to get it on air. So
you can catch that full interview if you want to,
on our YouTube series called The Interviews. Just go check
that out on Repco Light's YouTube page. But for right now,
(09:39):
here's Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. So Vivid Creative Contracting,
you run that. It's a family business though, right, it
goes back.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, I'm four fourth generation sort of.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, so talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, so I started my great uncle who previously before
he's got into residential painting, he worked at a timey
window factory where all of the windows would get finished
with a brush, and he was the guy in the
assembly line that would brush all of the window sashes.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh really Yeah, so they're just coming off the line
and he's there brushing it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Uh huh, him and quite a few other guys. Yeah.
It's also back in like the lead paint era. Right,
But eventually he went residential and he passed it on
to my grandfather.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And where were you guys? Where were they operating?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Mostly out of Newaggo County up in the Fremont area.
I can't tell you exactly where that factory was, I guess.
But most of my grandpa's work was up in Newago County,
and we still do a bunch of our work up
there too, for what it's worth, because we've sort of
got that family name going for us up there. My
grandpa passed it down to my dad, and eventually that
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passed to me about three years ago. I think I
worked for my dad for about ten years before that,
sort of being groomed lightly for leadership. Eventually, right, and
he kind of passed on expectedly and passed it on
to me. But yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I'm all right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Fourth generation. We've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Fourth generation, long time of doing that. So your uncle
worked in the window factory. He's painting. What did your
grandpa previously do?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
He was always a painter.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Always a painter, all right, always an they start working together,
start doing residential and do that for a while. Your
dad comes along, you come along. Was there ever a point,
you know in your life when you're thinking, I'm going
to go do all kinds of other things.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh so I also spent two and a half years
in college. I couldn't hack it for a lack of
a better term.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Are you pursuing what are you going to be?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah? So I was going to be a chemical engineer,
all right, and it just wasn't for me. I really
like working with my hands, and I didn't feel like
I was going to get that there. And then I
went into the military for a couple of years in
the Air Force. So I was kind of all over
the place for a while, didn't really know what I
wanted to do at first, and I guess it's safe
(12:08):
to say that this was sort of my fallback at first.
But despite that being the case, I absolutely love my
job now. And I probably should have never went to
college or the military in the first place, because I
absolutely love what I do. I should just went into
this from the get go.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, sometimes you got to you got to reach around,
you got to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Sure, maybe you wouldn't have loved it as much if
you hadn't done those other things. That could be very true,
and it showed you that this is pretty good yet. Yeah,
so military two years? What was that like?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, so I was in the Special Forces program for
the Air Force, trying to become a pair of rescue jumper,
which is basically a coast Guard swimmer, but for things
that are farther offshore. And they have a ninety three
percent attrition rate of their special forces program. So I didn't.
I didn't make the ninety three percent. I didn't make the.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Seventh holy smokes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So they when you, if you fail out of the program,
they try to reclash you into something else, give you
a different job, but they get to pick that job.
And so they wanted me to reclass into driving a
bus around the base, and I said, no, thank you.
I think I will just take my sefference package and
get out of here and not have to be in
for my last four years.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
How'd you feel about the experience? Was it a good experience? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Absolutely, I wouldn't complain at all. I think it was
pretty formative for me as a twenty three year old, like.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
In what regard I mean, of course, in so many regards, but.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, I think I maybe lacked a little bit of
discipline prior to that, which maybe is the cliche answer, but.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Uhiche's true, right, right, right, that's the true.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Absolutely. Yeah. And I met a lot of great guys,
a lot that I'm still in touch with today. So
it wasn't that.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The thrown away experience is a good experience, not at all.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
No regrets.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So you got college for a couple of years, chemical
engineer you're pursuing. Then you think, okay, that's just creast,
isn't right. Then you went into the military and then okay,
I'm not gonna drive a bus, right, I'm not going
to do it, And then you fall back on this
painting career. Yeah, and no regrets in that regard. You
said that no regrets, you'd absolutely like, oh man, I
could have been I could have done but now I'm
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doing this feels good to you?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, not at all?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
What about it? I mean like, like, okay, so everybody
wants to have meaning. We want to want to find
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Going at the same place that I was going to
go to.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Okay, okay, So you know, sometimes it's just, you know,
the meaning is there's a paycheck and I can do
what I want to do. And sometimes and I think
that the most fulfilling careers, of course, are the ones
where we feel like I'm doing something. How do you feel.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
About Yeah, right, I don't think it's about a paycheck
at all. Of course, I'm like the sole income learner
for my family. So it is a little bit about
the paycheck, of course.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I know it's always nice to say I don't care
about that. It's about the people and the work, and
of course it's.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Fun page how to make money too. But I think
you're right that jobs are the most enjoyable when you
can find some sense of meaning in them. And I
think most of that meaning tends to come from when
you are doing something for other people. Like I think
a lot of doctors and nurses would say they have
fulfilling careers because they are directly impacting the health and
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lives of other people. And so I sort of framed
my job as I am making a small positive impact
in your life that is lasting. Though. Right when I
come in and I repaint your entire interior, that's something
that you get to live with for the next five, ten,
fifteen years, depending on how choosy you are about getting
new colors ever so often. Right, but you enjoy your
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life more for the sake that I have been there
and made that space into your own space, your home,
as opposed to what you bought that home as, right.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You know, Yeah, I work in the paint store. I
went to school I was going to be a teacher,
so it's college four years. I'm going to be a teacher.
Then that just wasn't right, you know. I didn't go
very far into that that's not right. So I switched gears,
and I was going to be a pastor, all right.
So I went to a seminary for a year, and
that didn't seem right. And the money, it was very expensive. Sure,
so okay, I'm not sure. I'm going to take a
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break here for a little bit and try to figure
this out for sure before I spend that much money
on a career and ended up. You know, I got married,
we had kids really quickly, twins right off the bat,
and I ended up working at Repcolite. And it was
such a let down in a way because I'm working
a paint store. You know, I was gonna do all
these big things, and I remember, this is just it's
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a ridiculous story for me. But I was doing plumbing
one weekend at home. I'm not a plumber at all,
struggle and it was supposed to be something simple, and
it's just I cannot get this thing to stop leaking.
I can't I put it back together. It leaks. Take
it apart put it back together. It leaks over and
over and over and over and over and over. Eventually
I'm yelling at the kids, you know, because it's stressing
me out. The day is ticking away. I've got on
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to the store four times, to a big box store,
just grabbed the stuff I thought I needed. Couldn't make
it work. The stress was horrible. I'm fighting with everybody
in the house. I finally last ditch. I got to
run and just see once what I'm missing. Go to
a hardware store where they actually caught me and said,
what are you doing? I said, I just need some No,
tell me what you're doing, because they could tell I
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was stressed, right, I told him what I'm doing. The
guy said, do you have this thing? What this thing?
And he shows me. I don't remember what it was,
and I brought I didn't. I brought it home, put
that on. That was the thing, this piece that I
was missing to make it work. And I realized that
guy works this simple job, you know, he's just working
a hardware store, and yet he made my whole weekend.
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He saved my weekend. He saved the children from whatever
would have been coming if we'd have had no plumbing
for the rest of the weekend because of me, And
I realized I can do that in the paint store
with you know, helping people find the right tools, the
right paint, the right so all of a sudden, there's
meaning to that. So I completely get what you're feeling
like in a sense because you go into their homes
(18:02):
and it's just whatever they bought, it's somebody else's something
they pick colors.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, I think it's easy to I think it's easy
to overlook all of those small impacts that you have
on people's lives. But also I think it's pretty important
for your mental health to remember those small impacts that
you're making on people's lives whenever possible. It makes you
feel good about yourself, It makes you feel worthwhile, makes
you feel like you're doing something important.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, And I think, yeah, that's the beauty of I mean, really,
if you can find that and it's there, I think
in most careers, most jobs, you know, there is that.
If you can find that, there's a lot of fulfillment
that comes from no matter what you're doing, because it's
not so much about what I'm doing, It's about who
I'm impacting and how I'm impacting.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I could not agree more.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right, let's pause the conversation right there and take
a quick break. We'll be back in a few minutes
with Mark. Stick around. You're listening to the Repical Light
home improvement show sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and we're continuing
our conversation with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And
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if you miss the first part, don't worry. You can
catch the full interview on our YouTube series The Interviews.
But for now, let's get back to the conversation with Keegan. So,
thinking about painters, you know, shifting gears just a little bit.
What do people get wrong about painters?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, I think that a lot of people underestimate the
amount of knowledge that goes into the job. A lot
of people feel I could paint my bedroom this weekend,
And you're right, you can paint your bedroom this weekend.
It's just going to take you significantly longer than me
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because I've got a process down that I've honed over
many years to be able to do it very quickly.
And you also don't know the products that are available
to you, and certainly the paint store guy can help
with that and direct you in the right direction if
you go in there. But even then, a lot of
hohomeowners wouldn't go into the paint store, right, they would
go into they would just pick up the first thing
(20:12):
that they saw and not ask for advice. Right, And
you're liable to make a lot of mistakes that way,
because you don't know what you don't know, right.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Right, You don't even know how to ask for what
you don't know unless you start with, look, i'm at
zero here, help me with everything. But most of the
time we don't think about that when I'm in a
place that i'm you know, autoed parts, well, the plumbing.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I was just going to say, you should rereference
your plumbing here exactly the same case.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Good at this, And yeah, I didn't even know what
to ask for. I had no idea. What was so obvious,
you know when it was all over you know now
it's really obvious, but at the time, and that's what
we see in the paint store a lot of times,
you know, if we you know, sometimes we'll ask a
bad question, you know, we think of it as a
bad question, is there anything else you need? You know,
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in which I had to say that that's not the
best question to ask. I used to ask that all
the time in the store because of course, no, I
think I grabbed everything I needed, But they don't even
know what you're missing.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Sometimes, Yeah, we do a fair amount of work. It
is not a huge part of our profit, but we
do a fair amount of work that is well, we
tried to paint this ourselves, and we went over this
old oil based trim with a latex trim paint and
we didn't stand it or apply any sort of primer
(21:29):
to help with the bonding adhesion. Now it's all peeling
off where we've applied it. Can you come fix it
for us? And yeah, we can come fix that for you.
But also, if you had just consulted with someone to
learn what you didn't know first, you wouldn't have been
in this mess.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So many of those situations happened because you know, a homeowner,
we see it a lot where somebody's selling a house.
You know, they just want to get a coat of
paint on everything, or flippers flippers. Yeah, and you just
oh my goodness, because once it's at that point, it's
tough to fix. But if it's your own home, if
you're even yeah, you're honestly, you don't even know that
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questions sometimes, but just at least come into the store
if you're gonna do it on your own, explain what
you're doing and what you're dealing with. But I really
like that. I think that is something that people don't realize.
You know, that's the value. You know, people often will
focus on the expense of bringing a painter, and I
can save so much money by not And yet you
guys come in and catch all that stuff, And how
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much money is it worth to not have all of
that stuff peeling and not think how do I fix this?
Or to have to bring you in later to try
to fix it in.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Right, I'm always worse to bring us in after the
mistakes have already been made. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
What's the weirdest thing you've ever run into on a
job site? Not necessarily along those lines, but just anything,
craziest thing.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Good question, No, this one's put me on the spot
a little bit. The weirdest thing well, uh, okay, I'm
not sure this is exactly where you're going with it.
But one time a few years back, on the top
of a forty foot one lad a very high peak,
painting in exterior I suddenly realized that the little gable
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event that was up there was full of bats who
came swarming out of it, and as I was trying
to spray at the siding. And let me tell you,
he's not that enjoyable to have bats that are at
fat in the air. Yeah, maybe the ladder wasn't quite
at full extension, but we're certainly over thirty and there's
no real I gotta get out of the way quickly.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Here, What did you do?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I scuttled down the ladder as quick as possible, getting
battered in the face by a couple few bats who
are flying out of their gables. And that was and
maybe the weirdest thing that's ever happened. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
My kid does some exterior painting. He started doing that
last year. Last year's first year. Had never done any painting.
He was the ladder guy. He got good at moving
the ladders around, and he's up there doing it. The
heights didn't bother him. And I got a call one day,
or I got home one day and he was telling me, oh,
same not not exactly the same thing, but he's way
up there. Bat. You know. It was just kind of
(24:02):
hanging there, and he painted around him, not around him.
He was sleepy, so the bat was fine, didn't do anything.
And then he had to go back and do a
second coat later, and the bat was still there, and
he thought, well, well, now the bat's ready to go,
and just starts, you know, flopping around and clings to
his leg. You know, he's got shorts on. The bat's
climbing down his leg. He's stuck on the ladder, just
(24:24):
thinking what do I do? That is gross stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, apparently small world. I can't believe you came back
with almost the same story.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, well that's why.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Maybe it's more common than I think.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, oh, but man, I don't want it to be.
Oh that's a pretty good weird thing. So you've been
doing this a long time. You probably said, how long
have you been painting?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Thirteen years?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Thirteen years? You do more than just painting, right, And.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So I don't have a builder's license. I do have
a remodeler's license from the state of Michigan. So we
can do basically anything that doesn't change your floor plan,
Like we can't pour. I can't pull pull permits for
changing the shape of your foundation. Okay, but if you
want us to install some cabinets or remove some cabinets,
or put new baseboard on or window trim or any
(25:10):
of the small stuff like that. We are happy to
do that for you.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So the name works pretty well. Yeah, so you've been
doing it for a long time. You know, what are
some of your and I guess I'm probably talking about
the paint side of things here. You go to tools,
go to products. You know, you're talking to everybody from
contractors to di I wires, So it's always interesting to get,
you know, from a professional who uses stuff all the time.
Are their roller covers or their brushes that you really love?
(25:35):
Products that you love.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I'll give you a quick rundown. We use for almost
all walls. We use microfiber covers. Maybe they take a
slight amount of getting used to if you're very used
to the other types.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Of roller covers in what regard what's how's it different?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
They Well, they hold The reason I like them so
much is because they hold quite a bit more paint
in them. But the rolling technique becomes a little bit
different because they're very apt to lose a lot of
paint right when you first put them out of the
wall and make those first couple of strokes in a
way that some roller covers aren't. It just sort of
squeezes out there pretty quickly, and so you need to
(26:14):
change up your stroke technique a little bit. But as
compared to a woven cover, I think you can get
a lot farther per roller fill out of the pan,
which maybe saves you three seconds for each roller fill,
but also three seconds thousands and thousands of times.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Per year over time. Microfiber covers YE to.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Give a product, We use Scuffex for all of our walls.
Not that I don't think that there are other paints
that are pretty comparable, but I've worked out a great
deal with the salesman, get a pretty good price on
my Scuffex, and it seems like clients really like the Yeah,
I almost want to say the hain feel of scuff X.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It feels feels buttery, almost like old school oil paints, right,
say buttery, Buttery feels kind of buttery.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, I use buttery. The kids pointing that out the
other day, Dad, you use the word butter to describe
almost everything that you like. The butter zone. That's like
the perfect zone. This was buttery. This went on like
butter Yeah, perfect, but it does scuff X has a
very different feel. Yeah, And everybody who's well, like my mom,
(27:30):
she paints all the time. She always did and she
probably always will and she doesn't always. You know, even
way before I worked at Repolite, she just get whatever
she could get, you know, and she'd paint it on.
And we did scuff X at her condo and she would,
I mean for that first year, you know, every time
(27:50):
people would come over, like we'd have a get together,
she'd you'd see her touching the wall and explaining to somebody,
feel how smooth it feels. This feels weird, doesn't it
feels different? And then she did another her bedroom once,
like right after she had everything done, she had to
change that color in the bedroom. And she was just
crabbing about this the other day. So it's in my mind,
and she just grabbed something cheap. She was gonna do
it herself. So I don't even yell at her anymore
(28:12):
because you can't control her. She's gonna do it her.
She's gonna do Oh. She hated it. It didn't feel
like scuff acts. It was so ridiculous. So she had
to repaint the whole thing with scuff X. Yeah, really
different feel.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, and it's in my mind. I'm a little bit
surprised sometimes how much people seem to care about that.
But for whatever reason, they do really seem to enjoy
that feeling of you know, they're run your hands on
the wall and it feels like the bottom of a
no stick pin.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Or it's very different. But that's where you know it's
resisting scuffs like crazy. I mean, because you see that.
I mean, it's just got to play out for the
homeowner in a big way.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, it's great. I love this stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll
be back with the conclusion of my interview with Keegan Summers.
Stay right there.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
And we're back.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You're listening to the recol Light home improvement shows sponsored
by Benjamin Moore, and let's jump right back into my
interview with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And if
you did miss any part of this, remember you can
catch the full uncut conversation on our YouTube channel under
the Interviews, So go check that out. Anyway, here's more
with Keegan Summers. So cabinet repaints, they're a big part
(29:25):
of what you do, or at least part of what
you do.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, i'd say about forty maybe of our profits come
from cabinets.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Stuff A pretty good thing. And you you reached out
to me a couple of weeks ago and said, hey,
you don't talk about cabinets a whole lot on the radio.
So I thought that's a pretty good idea. So I
talked about cabinets on the radio last weekend.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay, I didn't catch your show.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Left we cause well you missed out. You missed out,
and you've fallen a little bit in my view of
who you are as a person. Fair, But so I
talked about them. We talked about bas just what the
process looks like, laid out a bunch of stuff. You
didn't hear it. So that's that's absolutely fair. You live
this job after job, I don't, you know. So I'm
(30:09):
I've done them, you know, and I know what they're like,
but I don't do them forty percent of my job. Sure,
you know, So what kind of things, whether you cover
something that I covered before or not. You know, when
you're thinking about like a DIY or tackling cabinets, what
would be just a handful of tips that you'd give
out that maybe would help them avoid some mistakes and
(30:30):
kind of lead to a great finish.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Okay, great the wire. You are probably underestimated the amount
of prep that you need to do those cabinets before
you start applying even the primer to those cabinets. Our
process once we get them back to the shop all
to take all the doors off whatever. Once we get
them back is to clean them with a water solution
like typically simple green maybe or a crudcutter mixed with water,
(30:55):
because that helps remove all the food stuffs that might
be on there that are water saw but a lot
of stuff is not water soluble. You also need to
after we wash them with water, we wash them with
denatured alcohol, which both helps the water get out of
any pores in the wood, helps to evaporate up out
of there that might be left there from before, but
also dissolves a lot of stuff that the water isn't
(31:18):
going to touch, specifically like the hand grease around on
the knobs where they start to eventually after a long time,
get your gum from where you touch them, and then
we do a third cleaning for specifically those gummy areas.
We go back with lacqu or thinner. It's also pretty nasty,
so if you're going to use it in a confined space,
(31:38):
please put a mask on.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
It's got to be ventilated.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, well, or do it outside, Yeah, it would be
even better.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So how long are you cleaning?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Like for a typical job, I would say that for
like a single kitchen of le let's say it's got
thirty cabinet doors in it, or doors and drawers fronts.
Probably the we're around like six hours for two of
us just cleaning and sanding those cabinets before we ever
get ready for paint.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
So I asked the majority of twelve hours all over tonally. Yeah,
their family members are fanning them, trying to wake them up. Yeah,
it's not trying to get them to forget that that
part happened and that that might be part of their project. Yeah,
but that people don't buy into how much the prep takes.
And if you don't do the prep, there's so much,
so many problems that can play out down the road.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, not to toob my own horn here on how
great of a cabinet painter I am, but doing prep
that well and using the heighst of quality products, they
should come out of our shop as basically brand new cabinets,
and we charge a lot of money for that. No doubt,
that's thirty two or thirty plus odd cabinets in your
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kitchen is probably running you in the four to six
thousand dollar range, which is kind of a little bit
of sticker shock, I think for some.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
People how much it's new cabinets new.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Cabinets, right, you're looking at thirty thousand dollars or more.
Plus you have to live with the inconvenience of having
all your cabinets ripped out and your kitchen be non
functional while the new ones are getting installed because they'll
use your cabinets while I'm take your doors off site
and spray them. So we tend to brush and roll
the styles and rails, which, again if you don't know
(33:21):
at home, are like the little dividers and the bottom
piece of your cabinet that runs right underneath the color
top and the bottom and frames out the front of
the box where the doors bump. The ends of the boxes,
though if they're exposed or you've got it, the end
of your big pantry that just sticks out facing the
limp room. We mask those off and spray those with
the little HVOP unit that we bring in there to
(33:42):
prevent over spray.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
All right, all right, so let's shift gears out of
painting for a little bit. You know, when you're not painting,
you're not on the job site doing stuff. What's life
look like for you? You know what? What are the
things that matter, the things that you love to do?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well? Mostly I spend time with my kids. You got
how many kids I've got to One is a two
year old and one is a ten year old. It's
a pretty big age girls. Older one is the girl
and the younger one is a boy. It could not
be not just in age, but could not be more
different in personality. My girl is an absolute girly girl,
(34:18):
loves lipstick and makeup and has never played a sport
in her life that she didn't absolutely loathe you for.
Whereas my son, who he's only two and a half,
but if he could spend all of his time running
around outside and eating bugs and kicking a ball, that's
exactly what he would do. So they don't interact with
(34:39):
each other much.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Oh that they will? They fight? Yeah, sure, sure that'll come.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Just most of my time after work I spent leaving
my wife a little bit of she was home all day.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So what do you do? So you got kids that
have completely different interest how do you keep them both
entertained at the same time.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh well, let me know when you figured it out. Okay,
uh yeah, no, that's uh. My daughter likes games. My
two year old is a little bit too young to
understand games. But I do do this nice multitask shuffle
where I can be playing a game of Una with
my daughter and also tackling or wrestling my son with
(35:24):
my feet or like kick the ball for him to
go chase me.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
All right, all right, that's working out.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
You got to find a couple few tricks in there.
That's that do some multitasking.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So let's shift gears here a little bit. I want
to talk about the trades. You know, I love talking
about the trades because my kid's an electrician, one of
my kids. I've got another one who's teacher. He went
the trade route, she went the professional route. So I
don't have a horse in either of these races. But
you know, you were going to college to be a
chemical engineer, pursue the military. Now you're in the trades.
You love that. I mean, talk to the people out
(35:56):
there who are maybe on the fence. You know, college
is expensive, and yet there's still a pretty strong push
out there that if you don't go to college, you're
missing out. And what do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I think that that is wrong. You know the phrase
you can't put the cat back in the bag. Right.
A lot of kids, especially if you are coming from
a lower income family, have to take on student loan
debt to go to college in the first place. And
I think that there's a pretty big push from those
families for those kids to go to college, specifically because
(36:28):
they want that kid to break free of the cycle
of their lower income lifestyle, right, be the first one
in our family to go to college and get a
good job. And also, there's no cost to trying trade
before you go to college. I'm not going into twenty
thousand dollars of student loan debt to go apprentice as
(36:49):
an electrician for a little while. Say, you're not going
to make great money as an electricians apprentice right when
you first start out. Although electricians get prayed really well
once you once you got this.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
License, they get paid pretty well.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But you know, there was no harm to when you're
nineteen going to see if you enjoy a trade, whatever one.
Maybe it seems like it floats your boat before you
make that big decision to go spend four years of
your life in school. Better to test it out and
decide you don't like it than too well wind up
(37:25):
like me where you went to college for two and
a half years and now I've got exactly, like I said,
twenty seven thousand dollars in student loan debt that I'm
slowly paying back for half of a degree that I'm
not using. All Right, the cat got out of the
bag on that.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
One, now. I And like you talked about at the beginning,
you know, you love what you do, not for the money,
not you know, not just for the money, not just
for whatever, not just that you just I love holding
a brush and putting pain on it. Yeah, it makes
my world. It's because you're interacting with people you've connected with,
that deeper part of what makes a career truly valuable. Yeah,
(38:01):
anything else you want to.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Throw out there, I'll just say thank you for having me,
Thanks for being here. I really enjoyed this. This went
nice and smooth and cool, and I shouldn't have felt
nervous when I walked into the studio.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Are you nervous when you walked in a little bit
I'm intimidating, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You definitely. You just tower over me with that big
Bill joke. That's all right, No, it's good. I liked it.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I had fun, all right, thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, you betcham.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
And that's going to do it for this week's episode.
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Well, good morning everybody. How are you doing. I personally
am petulant. I was petulant no longer. I am petulant
no longer. But this whole week, I've been petulant like
a child. I'm not proud of this, but you know,
the show's all about honesty. I let you see the
(00:23):
ugly as well as the glorious, and this open is
a little ugly. Yeah. When I say petulant like a child,
I guess what I'm getting at is, you know how
sometimes kids can be so overwhelmed with a situation, you know,
some perceived unfairness. You know, some perceive slight. You know,
they sense that, and they get so overwhelmed that they
(00:44):
just collapse in a heap of tears. You know that stage,
that ugly toddler stage. That's the stage I've been in
all week long. For example, I went out to the
truck the other day to just go to work, right,
I am minding my own business. I am, I'm just
going to work. And I get outside and the temperature
(01:04):
is still thirty four degrees or lower. I don't even
know what it was, but it's not higher than that.
The truck windshield has frost on it. It's so thick,
it's got to be scraped off. And when that happened,
that was almost a bridge too far for this little
this little man. If getting up off the ground wasn't
(01:26):
so much work at my age, i'd have just collapsed
in a heap on the driveway, in tears, little freezing tears.
Fortunately I'm too old for that, you know, too old
to collapse on the ground. I could break a hip
or something like that. And even if I don't break
a hip, as I've already said, getting up it's not
easy anymore. So I didn't do that. I didn't collapse,
(01:46):
but internally, internally, I was railing at the universe. Like
I was two years old. I was so mad, so
sick of the cold. Now I know I choose to
live here. I can hear what everybody's thinking. I choose
to live in Michigan. I know that, I know, I
know that I need to man up. I need to
enjoy the cold for what it is, right because at
(02:10):
some point in the year will be wishing it was cold.
Is there ever that point? I don't know. I don't know.
I know I got to handle it better, but I'm
sick of it. You know. I know the weather's gonna turn,
and I guess I gotta keep focusing on that. It's
gonna turn. It's gonna get better. The robins are gonna
stop freezing to death in the trees. You know, the
(02:30):
spring's gonna come. It's gonna be a happy day when
that happens. You're gonna hear me whooping and hollering. Wherever
you live. Just hang your head outside on a warm
Saturday morning and you hear whooping and hollering. That's me celebrating. Anyway,
that's been my week. You're listening to the Repco Light
Home Improvement Show sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and today on
(02:51):
the show, let's get to important stuff. Today on the show,
I'm gonna be sitting down and talking with Keegan Summers
from Vivid Creative Contracting. He's one of our painting contracts.
He's a regular listener of the show, and we're gonna
be talking about everything from you know how his company
got it start, to his go to paint choice for walls,
to his tips and tricks for getting great results when
painting cabinets and tons more. All of that is coming up.
(03:14):
Lots of good stuff, but for right now I want
to get to a topic that I kind of started
last week. I promised that i'd get to this last week,
and I'm delivering on that promise. For regular listeners, you
may remember that I talked about all the dust in
my home last week. In fact, when you think about it,
if you're a regular listener, you have heard so many
negative things about my home that you got to wonder
(03:36):
how we stay alive in that place. You know, I've
talked about mice and spider infestations and dust and you
name it. I mean, nobody's ever going to buy my house,
you know, nobody who listens on the radio, they're gonna
you know, they'll know that if they do buy it,
it's just got to be raised to the ground or
(03:57):
burnt to the ground, and then you build on the ashes.
It's it's not that bad. I just tend to exaggerate
a little bit for drama on the radio. But anyway,
I talked about all of that. That's neither here nor there.
I'm getting sidetracked. Anyway. My main point last week was
to talk about all that dust, you know, and why
some homes have so much dust, and then also of
course dig into ways to minimize it. Now, if you
(04:19):
miss that and you are dealing with dust, go check
it out. You can find the podcast wherever you get
your podcasts, or you can find it online at repcolit
dot com. Just click the on the radio tab right
there on the homepage. Check it out. But one of
the potential fixes in dealing with dust, one of the
potential fixes is obviously to have somebody come out and
clean your air ducts out. And in fact, that was
(04:41):
my first first thought, you know, when I was assessing
the situation, I just need to get the ducks cleaned out.
I had a ton of people tell me that's the solution,
just get the ducks cleaned out. But it's not inexpensive,
and it does, you know, the expense makes me curious
what the feedback is amongst people who've done it. So
I did a lot of research. I asked for input
(05:03):
from listeners, and I've gathered a ton of anecdotal evidence
that I'm going to compile here. And I know this
is anecdotal, so do with that what you want, but
I still think it's really helpful. So after doing all
of that research asking for input from listeners, here's what
I've got. Most people who've had their ducks cleaned don't
experience the game changing dust elimination that they thought they
(05:25):
were going to experience. Now, it's not to say it's
not worth doing. For example, plenty of people reported that
a lot of visible gunk was pulled out of their ducks,
you know, pet hair, construction debris, decades of build up.
You know. They said they knew all that junk came
out of their ducks, and that made them feel better
about their home, but they were still a little bummed
to find that they still had dust settling on surfaces
(05:47):
throughout the home even after the ducks were cleaned. Other
people had a slightly different experience. They said that the
removal of all that gunk from their ducks did help
reduce the dust, but still a lot of these folks
went on to say that it wasn't a game changer.
You know, that was the word they used. It's not
a game changer. So what does that mean? Well, after
(06:08):
digging into it, this is what they were feeling. They
had what they called a short term win from this.
One person in particular explained that he had six months
or so, you know, of less dust accumulating on furniture
and floors and stuff. Another person echoed that, so they
had that same type of experience, and they also said
the house smelt cleaner for you know, about six months
(06:30):
or so, but even those folks saw the dust grow
again as time went on. So what's the bottom line.
Is it worth it? Well, the general consensus is that
people who suffer with allergies definitely feel that the air
quality in their home improved after duct cleaning. Also, people
who just completed a renovation or who've got a number
of pets in their home, especially heavy shedding pets, if
(06:51):
they've got pets in the home, they also feel that
the duct cleaning had a worthwhile effect on the dust
situation in their home. So it was positive in that regard.
So that said, for the most part, most people who've
done it, including those people, don't feel that it's an
essential maintenance step for every single home. They feel it's situational.
You know, if you know the ducks in your home
(07:11):
are in bad shape with lots of build up, lots
of pet hair, whatever, then it can definitely be a
part of the process of removing dust from your home,
and it probably should be a part of removing you
know the dust from your home, but don't go in
thinking that it's a silver bullet. In most situations, the
dust isn't coming solely from this source, from your ducks,
(07:32):
and because of that, cleaning just this source isn't going
to remove all of the dust that you're dealing with.
If you go into it knowing what it's going to
do for you, you're not going to be frustrated. You're not
going to have your expectations shattered. Best thing I can
tell you, I think is what I told you last week.
By one of those cheap snake cameras online and the
little snake cameras, you can run it right down into
the ducks. They're like thirty to fifty bucks somewhere in
(07:54):
that range. You can view what the camera is seeing
on your phone. Some of them have little monitors. Run
it into the duct work at your home. See what
you've got. If it's overloaded with all kinds of goodies,
it's probably worth getting a crew out there to at
least give you an estimate. But even if you do that,
even if you have the ducks clean, remember that dust
from skin fabric and outdoor infiltration keeps coming back into
(08:17):
the home. Unless you deal with those issues as well,
and some of them you know, dust from skin. Uh.
Not many ways to get around that. It's just going
to be a continual thing unless you decide to not
live in your home. You know, you could seal it
off and keep everybody out. Maybe that would work. Anyway,
Hopefully that gives you a better understanding of the benefits
(08:38):
and the limitations of duct cleaning. All right, let's take
a break. When we come back, I'll be in the
studio with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. That's all next.
Stick around and we're back. You're listening to the Repco
Light Home Improvement Show sponsored by Benjamin Moore. And right
(08:59):
now a portion of a conversation that I had earlier
this week with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And
I love these contractor interviews. You know, not only do
we talk about products and painting tips and all of that,
but they also help you out there get to know
the people behind the work and when you're hiring a pro,
you know, to come out to your house and do
(09:19):
some work that really matters. This particular one right now,
what I'm going to play is just a small portion
of the full conversation, A lot of good stuff. I
just didn't have time to get it on air. So
you can catch that full interview if you want to,
on our YouTube series called The Interviews. Just go check
that out on Repco Light's YouTube page. But for right now,
(09:39):
here's Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. So Vivid Creative Contracting,
you run that. It's a family business though, right, it
goes back.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, I'm four fourth generation sort of.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, so talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, so I started my great uncle who previously before
he's got into residential painting, he worked at a timey
window factory where all of the windows would get finished
with a brush, and he was the guy in the
assembly line that would brush all of the window sashes.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh really Yeah, so they're just coming off the line
and he's there brushing it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Uh huh, him and quite a few other guys. Yeah.
It's also back in like the lead paint era. Right,
But eventually he went residential and he passed it on
to my grandfather.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And where were you guys? Where were they operating?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Mostly out of Newaggo County up in the Fremont area.
I can't tell you exactly where that factory was, I guess.
But most of my grandpa's work was up in Newago County,
and we still do a bunch of our work up
there too, for what it's worth, because we've sort of
got that family name going for us up there. My
grandpa passed it down to my dad, and eventually that
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passed to me about three years ago. I think I
worked for my dad for about ten years before that,
sort of being groomed lightly for leadership. Eventually, right, and
he kind of passed on expectedly and passed it on
to me. But yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I'm all right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Fourth generation. We've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Fourth generation, long time of doing that. So your uncle
worked in the window factory. He's painting. What did your
grandpa previously do?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
He was always a painter.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Always a painter, all right, always an they start working together,
start doing residential and do that for a while. Your
dad comes along, you come along. Was there ever a point,
you know in your life when you're thinking, I'm going
to go do all kinds of other things.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh so I also spent two and a half years
in college. I couldn't hack it for a lack of
a better term.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Are you pursuing what are you going to be?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah? So I was going to be a chemical engineer,
all right, and it just wasn't for me. I really
like working with my hands, and I didn't feel like
I was going to get that there. And then I
went into the military for a couple of years in
the Air Force. So I was kind of all over
the place for a while, didn't really know what I
wanted to do at first, and I guess it's safe
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to say that this was sort of my fallback at first.
But despite that being the case, I absolutely love my
job now. And I probably should have never went to
college or the military in the first place, because I
absolutely love what I do. I should just went into
this from the get go.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, sometimes you got to you got to reach around,
you got to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Sure, maybe you wouldn't have loved it as much if
you hadn't done those other things. That could be very true,
and it showed you that this is pretty good yet. Yeah,
so military two years? What was that like?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, so I was in the Special Forces program for
the Air Force, trying to become a pair of rescue jumper,
which is basically a coast Guard swimmer, but for things
that are farther offshore. And they have a ninety three
percent attrition rate of their special forces program. So I didn't.
I didn't make the ninety three percent. I didn't make the.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Seventh holy smokes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So they when you, if you fail out of the program,
they try to reclash you into something else, give you
a different job, but they get to pick that job.
And so they wanted me to reclass into driving a
bus around the base, and I said, no, thank you.
I think I will just take my sefference package and
get out of here and not have to be in
for my last four years.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
How'd you feel about the experience? Was it a good experience? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Absolutely, I wouldn't complain at all. I think it was
pretty formative for me as a twenty three year old, like.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
In what regard I mean, of course, in so many regards, but.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, I think I maybe lacked a little bit of
discipline prior to that, which maybe is the cliche answer, but.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Uhiche's true, right, right, right, that's the true.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Absolutely. Yeah. And I met a lot of great guys,
a lot that I'm still in touch with today. So
it wasn't that.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The thrown away experience is a good experience, not at all.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
No regrets.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So you got college for a couple of years, chemical
engineer you're pursuing. Then you think, okay, that's just creast,
isn't right. Then you went into the military and then okay,
I'm not gonna drive a bus, right, I'm not going
to do it, And then you fall back on this
painting career. Yeah, and no regrets in that regard. You
said that no regrets, you'd absolutely like, oh man, I
could have been I could have done but now I'm
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doing this feels good to you?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, not at all?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
What about it? I mean like, like, okay, so everybody
wants to have meaning. We want to want to find
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Going at the same place that I was going to
go to.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Okay, okay, So you know, sometimes it's just, you know,
the meaning is there's a paycheck and I can do
what I want to do. And sometimes and I think
that the most fulfilling careers, of course, are the ones
where we feel like I'm doing something. How do you feel.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
About Yeah, right, I don't think it's about a paycheck
at all. Of course, I'm like the sole income learner
for my family. So it is a little bit about
the paycheck, of course.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I know it's always nice to say I don't care
about that. It's about the people and the work, and
of course it's.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Fun page how to make money too. But I think
you're right that jobs are the most enjoyable when you
can find some sense of meaning in them. And I
think most of that meaning tends to come from when
you are doing something for other people. Like I think
a lot of doctors and nurses would say they have
fulfilling careers because they are directly impacting the health and
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lives of other people. And so I sort of framed
my job as I am making a small positive impact
in your life that is lasting. Though. Right when I
come in and I repaint your entire interior, that's something
that you get to live with for the next five, ten,
fifteen years, depending on how choosy you are about getting
new colors ever so often. Right, but you enjoy your
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life more for the sake that I have been there
and made that space into your own space, your home,
as opposed to what you bought that home as, right.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You know, Yeah, I work in the paint store. I
went to school I was going to be a teacher,
so it's college four years. I'm going to be a teacher.
Then that just wasn't right, you know. I didn't go
very far into that that's not right. So I switched gears,
and I was going to be a pastor, all right.
So I went to a seminary for a year, and
that didn't seem right. And the money, it was very expensive. Sure,
so okay, I'm not sure. I'm going to take a
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break here for a little bit and try to figure
this out for sure before I spend that much money
on a career and ended up. You know, I got married,
we had kids really quickly, twins right off the bat,
and I ended up working at Repcolite. And it was
such a let down in a way because I'm working
a paint store. You know, I was gonna do all
these big things, and I remember, this is just it's
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a ridiculous story for me. But I was doing plumbing
one weekend at home. I'm not a plumber at all,
struggle and it was supposed to be something simple, and
it's just I cannot get this thing to stop leaking.
I can't I put it back together. It leaks. Take
it apart put it back together. It leaks over and
over and over and over and over and over. Eventually
I'm yelling at the kids, you know, because it's stressing
me out. The day is ticking away. I've got on
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to the store four times, to a big box store,
just grabbed the stuff I thought I needed. Couldn't make
it work. The stress was horrible. I'm fighting with everybody
in the house. I finally last ditch. I got to
run and just see once what I'm missing. Go to
a hardware store where they actually caught me and said,
what are you doing? I said, I just need some No,
tell me what you're doing, because they could tell I
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was stressed, right, I told him what I'm doing. The
guy said, do you have this thing? What this thing?
And he shows me. I don't remember what it was,
and I brought I didn't. I brought it home, put
that on. That was the thing, this piece that I
was missing to make it work. And I realized that
guy works this simple job, you know, he's just working
a hardware store, and yet he made my whole weekend.
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He saved my weekend. He saved the children from whatever
would have been coming if we'd have had no plumbing
for the rest of the weekend because of me, And
I realized I can do that in the paint store
with you know, helping people find the right tools, the
right paint, the right so all of a sudden, there's
meaning to that. So I completely get what you're feeling
like in a sense because you go into their homes
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and it's just whatever they bought, it's somebody else's something
they pick colors.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, I think it's easy to I think it's easy
to overlook all of those small impacts that you have
on people's lives. But also I think it's pretty important
for your mental health to remember those small impacts that
you're making on people's lives whenever possible. It makes you
feel good about yourself, It makes you feel worthwhile, makes
you feel like you're doing something important.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, And I think, yeah, that's the beauty of I mean, really,
if you can find that and it's there, I think
in most careers, most jobs, you know, there is that.
If you can find that, there's a lot of fulfillment
that comes from no matter what you're doing, because it's
not so much about what I'm doing, It's about who
I'm impacting and how I'm impacting.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I could not agree more.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right, let's pause the conversation right there and take
a quick break. We'll be back in a few minutes
with Mark. Stick around. You're listening to the Repical Light
home improvement show sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and we're continuing
our conversation with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And
(19:09):
if you miss the first part, don't worry. You can
catch the full interview on our YouTube series The Interviews.
But for now, let's get back to the conversation with Keegan. So,
thinking about painters, you know, shifting gears just a little bit.
What do people get wrong about painters?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, I think that a lot of people underestimate the
amount of knowledge that goes into the job. A lot
of people feel I could paint my bedroom this weekend,
And you're right, you can paint your bedroom this weekend.
It's just going to take you significantly longer than me
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because I've got a process down that I've honed over
many years to be able to do it very quickly.
And you also don't know the products that are available
to you, and certainly the paint store guy can help
with that and direct you in the right direction if
you go in there. But even then, a lot of
hohomeowners wouldn't go into the paint store, right, they would
go into they would just pick up the first thing
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that they saw and not ask for advice. Right, And
you're liable to make a lot of mistakes that way,
because you don't know what you don't know, right.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Right, You don't even know how to ask for what
you don't know unless you start with, look, i'm at
zero here, help me with everything. But most of the
time we don't think about that when I'm in a
place that i'm you know, autoed parts, well, the plumbing.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I was just going to say, you should rereference
your plumbing here exactly the same case.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Good at this, And yeah, I didn't even know what
to ask for. I had no idea. What was so obvious,
you know when it was all over you know now
it's really obvious, but at the time, and that's what
we see in the paint store a lot of times,
you know, if we you know, sometimes we'll ask a
bad question, you know, we think of it as a
bad question, is there anything else you need? You know,
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in which I had to say that that's not the
best question to ask. I used to ask that all
the time in the store because of course, no, I
think I grabbed everything I needed, But they don't even
know what you're missing.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Sometimes, Yeah, we do a fair amount of work. It
is not a huge part of our profit, but we
do a fair amount of work that is well, we
tried to paint this ourselves, and we went over this
old oil based trim with a latex trim paint and
we didn't stand it or apply any sort of primer
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to help with the bonding adhesion. Now it's all peeling
off where we've applied it. Can you come fix it
for us? And yeah, we can come fix that for you.
But also, if you had just consulted with someone to
learn what you didn't know first, you wouldn't have been
in this mess.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So many of those situations happened because you know, a homeowner,
we see it a lot where somebody's selling a house.
You know, they just want to get a coat of
paint on everything, or flippers flippers. Yeah, and you just
oh my goodness, because once it's at that point, it's
tough to fix. But if it's your own home, if
you're even yeah, you're honestly, you don't even know that
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questions sometimes, but just at least come into the store
if you're gonna do it on your own, explain what
you're doing and what you're dealing with. But I really
like that. I think that is something that people don't realize.
You know, that's the value. You know, people often will
focus on the expense of bringing a painter, and I
can save so much money by not And yet you
guys come in and catch all that stuff, And how
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much money is it worth to not have all of
that stuff peeling and not think how do I fix this?
Or to have to bring you in later to try
to fix it in.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Right, I'm always worse to bring us in after the
mistakes have already been made. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
What's the weirdest thing you've ever run into on a
job site? Not necessarily along those lines, but just anything,
craziest thing.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Good question, No, this one's put me on the spot
a little bit. The weirdest thing well, uh, okay, I'm
not sure this is exactly where you're going with it.
But one time a few years back, on the top
of a forty foot one lad a very high peak,
painting in exterior I suddenly realized that the little gable
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event that was up there was full of bats who
came swarming out of it, and as I was trying
to spray at the siding. And let me tell you,
he's not that enjoyable to have bats that are at
fat in the air. Yeah, maybe the ladder wasn't quite
at full extension, but we're certainly over thirty and there's
no real I gotta get out of the way quickly.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Here, What did you do?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I scuttled down the ladder as quick as possible, getting
battered in the face by a couple few bats who
are flying out of their gables. And that was and
maybe the weirdest thing that's ever happened. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
My kid does some exterior painting. He started doing that
last year. Last year's first year. Had never done any painting.
He was the ladder guy. He got good at moving
the ladders around, and he's up there doing it. The
heights didn't bother him. And I got a call one day,
or I got home one day and he was telling me, oh,
same not not exactly the same thing, but he's way
up there. Bat. You know. It was just kind of
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hanging there, and he painted around him, not around him.
He was sleepy, so the bat was fine, didn't do anything.
And then he had to go back and do a
second coat later, and the bat was still there, and
he thought, well, well, now the bat's ready to go,
and just starts, you know, flopping around and clings to
his leg. You know, he's got shorts on. The bat's
climbing down his leg. He's stuck on the ladder, just
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thinking what do I do? That is gross stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, apparently small world. I can't believe you came back
with almost the same story.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, well that's why.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Maybe it's more common than I think.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, oh, but man, I don't want it to be.
Oh that's a pretty good weird thing. So you've been
doing this a long time. You probably said, how long
have you been painting?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Thirteen years?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Thirteen years? You do more than just painting, right, And.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So I don't have a builder's license. I do have
a remodeler's license from the state of Michigan. So we
can do basically anything that doesn't change your floor plan,
Like we can't pour. I can't pull pull permits for
changing the shape of your foundation. Okay, but if you
want us to install some cabinets or remove some cabinets,
or put new baseboard on or window trim or any
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of the small stuff like that. We are happy to
do that for you.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So the name works pretty well. Yeah, so you've been
doing it for a long time. You know, what are
some of your and I guess I'm probably talking about
the paint side of things here. You go to tools,
go to products. You know, you're talking to everybody from
contractors to di I wires, So it's always interesting to get,
you know, from a professional who uses stuff all the time.
Are their roller covers or their brushes that you really love?
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Products that you love.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I'll give you a quick rundown. We use for almost
all walls. We use microfiber covers. Maybe they take a
slight amount of getting used to if you're very used
to the other types.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Of roller covers in what regard what's how's it different?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
They Well, they hold The reason I like them so
much is because they hold quite a bit more paint
in them. But the rolling technique becomes a little bit
different because they're very apt to lose a lot of
paint right when you first put them out of the
wall and make those first couple of strokes in a
way that some roller covers aren't. It just sort of
squeezes out there pretty quickly, and so you need to
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change up your stroke technique a little bit. But as
compared to a woven cover, I think you can get
a lot farther per roller fill out of the pan,
which maybe saves you three seconds for each roller fill,
but also three seconds thousands and thousands of times.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Per year over time. Microfiber covers YE to.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Give a product, We use Scuffex for all of our walls.
Not that I don't think that there are other paints
that are pretty comparable, but I've worked out a great
deal with the salesman, get a pretty good price on
my Scuffex, and it seems like clients really like the Yeah,
I almost want to say the hain feel of scuff X.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It feels feels buttery, almost like old school oil paints, right,
say buttery, Buttery feels kind of buttery.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, I use buttery. The kids pointing that out the
other day, Dad, you use the word butter to describe
almost everything that you like. The butter zone. That's like
the perfect zone. This was buttery. This went on like
butter Yeah, perfect, but it does scuff X has a
very different feel. Yeah, And everybody who's well, like my mom,
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she paints all the time. She always did and she
probably always will and she doesn't always. You know, even
way before I worked at Repolite, she just get whatever
she could get, you know, and she'd paint it on.
And we did scuff X at her condo and she would,
I mean for that first year, you know, every time
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people would come over, like we'd have a get together,
she'd you'd see her touching the wall and explaining to somebody,
feel how smooth it feels. This feels weird, doesn't it
feels different? And then she did another her bedroom once,
like right after she had everything done, she had to
change that color in the bedroom. And she was just
crabbing about this the other day. So it's in my mind,
and she just grabbed something cheap. She was gonna do
it herself. So I don't even yell at her anymore
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because you can't control her. She's gonna do it her.
She's gonna do Oh. She hated it. It didn't feel
like scuff acts. It was so ridiculous. So she had
to repaint the whole thing with scuff X. Yeah, really
different feel.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, and it's in my mind. I'm a little bit
surprised sometimes how much people seem to care about that.
But for whatever reason, they do really seem to enjoy
that feeling of you know, they're run your hands on
the wall and it feels like the bottom of a
no stick pin.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Or it's very different. But that's where you know it's
resisting scuffs like crazy. I mean, because you see that.
I mean, it's just got to play out for the
homeowner in a big way.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, it's great. I love this stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll
be back with the conclusion of my interview with Keegan Summers.
Stay right there.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
And we're back.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You're listening to the recol Light home improvement shows sponsored
by Benjamin Moore, and let's jump right back into my
interview with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And if
you did miss any part of this, remember you can
catch the full uncut conversation on our YouTube channel under
the Interviews, So go check that out. Anyway, here's more
with Keegan Summers. So cabinet repaints, they're a big part
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of what you do, or at least part of what
you do.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, i'd say about forty maybe of our profits come
from cabinets.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Stuff A pretty good thing. And you you reached out
to me a couple of weeks ago and said, hey,
you don't talk about cabinets a whole lot on the radio.
So I thought that's a pretty good idea. So I
talked about cabinets on the radio last weekend.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay, I didn't catch your show.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Left we cause well you missed out. You missed out,
and you've fallen a little bit in my view of
who you are as a person. Fair, But so I
talked about them. We talked about bas just what the
process looks like, laid out a bunch of stuff. You
didn't hear it. So that's that's absolutely fair. You live
this job after job, I don't, you know. So I'm
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I've done them, you know, and I know what they're like,
but I don't do them forty percent of my job. Sure,
you know, So what kind of things, whether you cover
something that I covered before or not. You know, when
you're thinking about like a DIY or tackling cabinets, what
would be just a handful of tips that you'd give
out that maybe would help them avoid some mistakes and
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kind of lead to a great finish.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Okay, great the wire. You are probably underestimated the amount
of prep that you need to do those cabinets before
you start applying even the primer to those cabinets. Our
process once we get them back to the shop all
to take all the doors off whatever. Once we get
them back is to clean them with a water solution
like typically simple green maybe or a crudcutter mixed with water,
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because that helps remove all the food stuffs that might
be on there that are water saw but a lot
of stuff is not water soluble. You also need to
after we wash them with water, we wash them with
denatured alcohol, which both helps the water get out of
any pores in the wood, helps to evaporate up out
of there that might be left there from before, but
also dissolves a lot of stuff that the water isn't
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going to touch, specifically like the hand grease around on
the knobs where they start to eventually after a long time,
get your gum from where you touch them, and then
we do a third cleaning for specifically those gummy areas.
We go back with lacqu or thinner. It's also pretty nasty,
so if you're going to use it in a confined space,
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please put a mask on.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
It's got to be ventilated.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, well, or do it outside, Yeah, it would be
even better.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So how long are you cleaning?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Like for a typical job, I would say that for
like a single kitchen of le let's say it's got
thirty cabinet doors in it, or doors and drawers fronts.
Probably the we're around like six hours for two of
us just cleaning and sanding those cabinets before we ever
get ready for paint.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
So I asked the majority of twelve hours all over tonally. Yeah,
their family members are fanning them, trying to wake them up. Yeah,
it's not trying to get them to forget that that
part happened and that that might be part of their project. Yeah,
but that people don't buy into how much the prep takes.
And if you don't do the prep, there's so much,
so many problems that can play out down the road.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, not to toob my own horn here on how
great of a cabinet painter I am, but doing prep
that well and using the heighst of quality products, they
should come out of our shop as basically brand new cabinets,
and we charge a lot of money for that. No doubt,
that's thirty two or thirty plus odd cabinets in your
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kitchen is probably running you in the four to six
thousand dollar range, which is kind of a little bit
of sticker shock, I think for some.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
People how much it's new cabinets new.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Cabinets, right, you're looking at thirty thousand dollars or more.
Plus you have to live with the inconvenience of having
all your cabinets ripped out and your kitchen be non
functional while the new ones are getting installed because they'll
use your cabinets while I'm take your doors off site
and spray them. So we tend to brush and roll
the styles and rails, which, again if you don't know
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at home, are like the little dividers and the bottom
piece of your cabinet that runs right underneath the color
top and the bottom and frames out the front of
the box where the doors bump. The ends of the boxes,
though if they're exposed or you've got it, the end
of your big pantry that just sticks out facing the
limp room. We mask those off and spray those with
the little HVOP unit that we bring in there to
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prevent over spray.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
All right, all right, so let's shift gears out of
painting for a little bit. You know, when you're not painting,
you're not on the job site doing stuff. What's life
look like for you? You know what? What are the
things that matter, the things that you love to do?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well? Mostly I spend time with my kids. You got
how many kids I've got to One is a two
year old and one is a ten year old. It's
a pretty big age girls. Older one is the girl
and the younger one is a boy. It could not
be not just in age, but could not be more
different in personality. My girl is an absolute girly girl,
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loves lipstick and makeup and has never played a sport
in her life that she didn't absolutely loathe you for.
Whereas my son, who he's only two and a half,
but if he could spend all of his time running
around outside and eating bugs and kicking a ball, that's
exactly what he would do. So they don't interact with
(34:39):
each other much.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Oh that they will? They fight? Yeah, sure, sure that'll come.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Just most of my time after work I spent leaving
my wife a little bit of she was home all day.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So what do you do? So you got kids that
have completely different interest how do you keep them both
entertained at the same time.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh well, let me know when you figured it out. Okay,
uh yeah, no, that's uh. My daughter likes games. My
two year old is a little bit too young to
understand games. But I do do this nice multitask shuffle
where I can be playing a game of Una with
my daughter and also tackling or wrestling my son with
(35:24):
my feet or like kick the ball for him to
go chase me.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
All right, all right, that's working out.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
You got to find a couple few tricks in there.
That's that do some multitasking.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So let's shift gears here a little bit. I want
to talk about the trades. You know, I love talking
about the trades because my kid's an electrician, one of
my kids. I've got another one who's teacher. He went
the trade route, she went the professional route. So I
don't have a horse in either of these races. But
you know, you were going to college to be a
chemical engineer, pursue the military. Now you're in the trades.
You love that. I mean, talk to the people out
(35:56):
there who are maybe on the fence. You know, college
is expensive, and yet there's still a pretty strong push
out there that if you don't go to college, you're
missing out. And what do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I think that that is wrong. You know the phrase
you can't put the cat back in the bag. Right.
A lot of kids, especially if you are coming from
a lower income family, have to take on student loan
debt to go to college in the first place. And
I think that there's a pretty big push from those
families for those kids to go to college, specifically because
(36:28):
they want that kid to break free of the cycle
of their lower income lifestyle, right, be the first one
in our family to go to college and get a
good job. And also, there's no cost to trying trade
before you go to college. I'm not going into twenty
thousand dollars of student loan debt to go apprentice as
(36:49):
an electrician for a little while. Say, you're not going
to make great money as an electricians apprentice right when
you first start out. Although electricians get prayed really well
once you once you got this.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
License, they get paid pretty well.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But you know, there was no harm to when you're
nineteen going to see if you enjoy a trade, whatever one.
Maybe it seems like it floats your boat before you
make that big decision to go spend four years of
your life in school. Better to test it out and
decide you don't like it than too well wind up
(37:25):
like me where you went to college for two and
a half years and now I've got exactly, like I said,
twenty seven thousand dollars in student loan debt that I'm
slowly paying back for half of a degree that I'm
not using. All Right, the cat got out of the
bag on that.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
One, now. I And like you talked about at the beginning,
you know, you love what you do, not for the money,
not you know, not just for the money, not just
for whatever, not just that you just I love holding
a brush and putting pain on it. Yeah, it makes
my world. It's because you're interacting with people you've connected with,
that deeper part of what makes a career truly valuable. Yeah,
(38:01):
anything else you want to.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Throw out there, I'll just say thank you for having me,
Thanks for being here. I really enjoyed this. This went
nice and smooth and cool, and I shouldn't have felt
nervous when I walked into the studio.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Are you nervous when you walked in a little bit
I'm intimidating, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You definitely. You just tower over me with that big
Bill joke. That's all right, No, it's good. I liked it.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I had fun, all right, thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, you betcham.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
And that's going to do it for this week's episode.
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