2024 NHL DRAFT SHOW: Kraken take forward Berkly Catton at 8th overall (6/28)

All five hours of coverage at 32 Bar and Grill with Mike Benton, Everett Fitzhugh, and Al Kinisky, with reaction and interviews from: Jeff Marek (Sportsnet / 32 Thoughts), Scott Wheeler (The Athletic), general manager Ron Francis, head coach Dan Bylsma, center Matty Beniers, TV play-by-play voice John Forslund, and new draftee Berkly Catton. 

Episode Transcript

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This is a special KJRFM sports presentationthe twenty twenty four NHL Draft. Welcome
to the NHL Draft Why from thirtytwo Bar and Grill with Mike Betton,
Everett fits You and al Kiniski andbrought to you by Upper Deck on your
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All right, how do you do, fellow kids, Let's get this
going right now. Thirty two Barand Grill is the place we've kicked Softy
and Dick Fating out of the chairshere three to seven pm because the future
of the Kraken might be right aroundthe corner. We'll see what name goes.
This is the NHL Draft Show righthere, ninety three to three KJRFM
Live from thirty two Bar and Grill, Mike Benton with you Ever, fits

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You, al Kiniski and Yes,I guarantee about four hours will feel like
about roughly four minutes. Guys,is it hockey season yet already? Oh
man, it's it's I just gotback from Coachella Valley. I was hanging
out with the Firebirds in the lastcouple of weeks, and it was one
hundred and ten in Palm Desert.When I left, it was about ninety

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with one hundred percent humidity in Hershey. So it feels good to be back.
This feels like hockey weather. Ifeel like we should be playing right
now. I'm going to run thatback by the way. You had to
go to Coachelle, I had togo. Someone listen. I mean,
I'm not gonna sit here and saythat I'm not appreciative. I had a
blast, But I will say goingto Palm Desert, California, in the

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middle of June, where I meanit, it was sweltering, it was
it was spicy outside. So uhbut no, it feels good to be
back and to talk hockey again.We've had literally two months off. Our
last game was like two and ahalf months ago, the eighteenth of April.
The fire. Oh yeah, yeah, those videos of you down in
Coachella. You had a nice suiton, a little beata sweat, just

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a little bit of sweat, butI swear I think I saw flip flops.
That's the one freaking television is thatif you can at least fake it
til you make it and show whatyou got from the waist up here,
who cares? What else that you'redressed. Well. There were actually a
couple of the local TV guys whowere down there. They were showing up
in full blazer, full shirt,full tie, and they had shorts and
and flip flops on. They wouldcome to the morning skate to shoot their

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stand ups and what have you.And camera's only from the belly button up,
so you know, it doesn't matterwhat you're wearing below the waist.
See, that's one of the world'sworst kept secrets in television. Because I
remember my very first internship. Notto get too far off track here,
but it was with Fox Sports backlike twenty years ago, and it we're
still in the land of time whereit was totally acceptable sport coat, yep

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shirt, tie and everything else.From there was a smart I saw basketball
pants all the time on Kevin Frazier. I saw a pair of shorts one
time on Steve Lyons who it cares. Back when I was in college,
when we had Dennis Williams, formerlyof Everett now back at Bowling Green Nus.
Williams was the head coach there.He used to wear crocs on the

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bench. No one could see him, but they were, so you know,
he's got his nice suit on fromfrom head to literal head to ankle,
and then he put on some crocksand put his crocks in sport mode
and was hanging out. I almostwant to say I saw Dennis William's at
one Silver Tips game this year wearingAir Jordan's underneath the suit as well.
Al, how are you? Iam doing fantastic? Two and a half

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months feels like two and a halfyears. How much meat if you smoked?
How many steaks have you grilled inthat time? Do you want to
know? In items are pounds?Oh? I mean I feel like items.
I just get this man a wholecat one day or one week.
Oh man, I wish, Iwish I could eat more brisket than I'm
able to do. There's seventeen eighteentwenty pounds at a time. And yeah,

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I've I've definitely been smoking some meats, grilling some steaks, a lot
a lot of red meats coming throughmy house. Is did you try a
brisket one time? Can I tryit? No? Did you and pull
it off? I think it tookabout probably like fifteen twenty hours or something
like that. Yeah, my moveis to put it on when I go
to bed. The night before anda smart move finish at mid day and
it's it's ready by dinner. Atleast you're not doing this at the nine
pm dinner hour. Oh no,hey, folks, briskets on. By

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the way, we have a lotto cover here. By the way,
Cracking fans, next season schedule willbe released get this July second. Next
season schedule will be released July secondat nine am, So mark your calendars
for the first look at new ticketoptions that will go on sale that day.
Six game packs and family ticket bundleswill both drop nine am July second.

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This is alecracking dot com for allticket information right smack off a day
one of free agency. Yeah,and we are. We are three days
away today Friday, Saturday, Sunday, So Monday is the official start of
the new league year. So theCraken are a couple of days away from
being back in first place where theybelong to looking forward to that. From

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what we can understand, where theygo with free agency and the trade dev
and the the trademark almost a tradedeadline, it's still back at those legs
and right now man time has flownfor this summer. So where they go
with this pick. Where they pick, when they pick could even be dictated
by the trade market. So who'sout there and where do they go and

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get this? So we're gonna geta lot of answers coming up here for
these next few hours. Again,the NHL Draft has not yet officially started,
but this is our fun preview hour. It will get going at about
roughly four o'clock and you can maybeexpect the Kraken to make their pick at
eighth overall at about little past thefive pm hour here and we'll have that
carried live for you. Also withyour reaction. More reaction out from Las

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Vegas and we'll open the floor rightnow. Friends, text us four nine
four five to one on the tuttlemoredude text line when it's game time,
It's totally time. We're gonna getto your reaction. Also, I'm on
Twitter at Benton Underscore mic for youfellas. Shout it out Twitter and X
We can find ever it at atthe Voice fits Alkaniski at al Kaniski.

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Hit us up right here by theway, Cracking audio nets Krackenaudi Network,
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net and find everything there. Podcastvia the iHeartRadio apps. So the stories
that we need to know, we'regonna jump into this. And aside from
those who are out in Las Vegaswondering how much they can't sweat through about
roughly, I would say about twolayers of clothing in about five minutes.

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And yeah, I talked to JeffMerrick about this. Spoiler alert. Jeff
Merrick will be along here in justa little bit from Sportsnet and the famous
thirty two Thoughts podcast, one ofmy favorite national listens for this entire year
for the hockey season. He andElliott Friedman have got a ton of insight
and a ton of connections as well, and we're gonna learn more about where
the crack and stand with what they'repursuing and names already out there being floated

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around. And also, yeah,I asked Jeff about how does he survive
Vegas weather. You'll love to hearwhat his methodology is with keeping his suits
inside the spheres so he doesn't walkdown the block or two blocks with three
blocks profusely right through it. SoJeff Merrick's coming. We're also gonna get

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to eventually GM Ron Francis later onin the four pm hour, I believe
right before the Kraken will be onthe clock. A conversation we have,
by the way recorded. We haveRon Francis on these airwaves just yesterday.
That plus John Forestland joining us byphone, our man, our myth our
legend from the TV side. He'sout in the East coast right now.

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But great time that we had withhim. He'll be joining us by phone
a little bit later on and thatplus we'll hear from the one and only
if the pick is made, presumablythe eighth overall pick. And well to
begin things right here, a lotof picks coming here for the Kraken Day
one of the draft. Here fortoday, just round one, second round
through seventh round tomorrow the crack andhave two picks in the second, two

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picks in the third, and oneeach fourth, sixth, and then two
more in the seventh. There isa ton app play if they want to
stock this system up more or usethat for trades. Yeah, and I
think that's gonna be the big Thatis the wild card for me this year
is how many of those nine playersmake their way back to Seattle for development

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camp on Monday. And I think, now this is the what third draft,
fourth draft, uh for Ron Francis, so you've had an opportunity to
stalk the cupboards. You've traded forpicks. I think this is going to
be that first draft really that youcan start to maximize that draft capital.
And this isn't necessarily the deepest draftthat we've seen, so you can maybe

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afford to get away with getting ridof a couple of those third round a
third round pick, a fourth roundpick. A couple of years ago,
the kra Can sent a third anda fifth to Columbus for byork Strand right,
so those type of players could beavailable. We've already seen a bunch
of trade movement today the last coupleof days as well. Calgary seems to
be having a fire cell number ofplayers are being put on waivers who you

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never would have expected. So Ido think this is going to be,
in my opinion, the first trueyear that we can start to see that
draft capital that we talk about beingused to procure talent for this season and
beyond. Yeah, and having beena part of one of those development camps
a couple of years ago, Ihope to see all the players that get

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chosen because not only is it anopportunity for us to see them, for
the fans to see them. Butit just starts that process of getting them
integrated into the system, getting themused to being part of the CRACKT organization.
Everett, you mentioned something big aboutthe impact of where this first round
goes and that it's not very deep, and the way I think see it
to that point from what we've heard, is that you're getting maybe a shot

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at a game breaker, definitely inthe first three picks, and we all
know who's going one and the firsttwo gusses don't count here the name rhymes
with Melabrini Maclin Celebrini do to bepicked by the San Jose Sharks, But
still in the first roughly ten pickstwelve picks, there's a legitimate name that
can help you about three to fouryears down the road, depending on position.

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And for a draft that, especiallyin the first a roughly half of
this first round, that is reportedlyheavy on defenseman, could there be a
game changer and maybe a guy thatyou can hang your hat on for a
defenseman maybe by the time that youpicked number eight. I think there is.
I mean, I think there's anumber of offensive defensemen who are out
there a number of defensive defensemen whoare out there, which I think when

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when we look at the NHL,in the hockey world, there's two positions
that are those unicorn positions everyone needs. You want a top line center and
you want a right shot defenseman.Well, if you can get one of
those players, especially in the tophalf of the draft, you're gonna be
setting yourself up for success. Now, as we've said in past years,
you know, we're still a newNHL market here in Seattle. So this

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player that the Crack can take,probably we're not going to see him play
a game for the Crack and itminimum two years, if not three years.
But because this draft isn't necessary relythe strongest draft you were telling me
earlier, Mike, we potentially couldnot see a single player in the first
round play in the NHL this year. Macklin Telabrini would be going into his

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sophomore year at Boston University. He'stalking about going back to school next year,
which would not be would not bebad. Zbam the defenseman out of
Denver who just won the championship forthe Pioneers. They're saying that he potentially
could come out at the end ofthis next season. But again you have
to wait until late March early Aprilto get that opportunity, sort of like

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Matty Beaniers did when he left theUniversity of Michigan the Joint Seattle a couple
of years ago. So it's reallyinteresting when you're trying to project and when
you're trying to pick players, becauseNFL, NBA, you're looking at guys
who can help you today, whocan help you right now? You don't

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know what this seventeen eighteen, nineteenyear old kid is going to look like
in two or three years when hegains fifty pounds, when he grows another
two inches, is when he learnshow to play the pro game. So
a lot of times in the NHL, you're not necessarily going for need today.
You're going for best available in thedraft, and that potentially will help
you down the road. Regardless ofwho you get, you're gonna get because

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if you draft the defenseman right now, you're always gonna need the If you
draft a forward, a skill forwardright now, what are we looking at
right now for the cracket? Alack of offense. You're always gonna need
offense. So I think you're lookingpotentially at a best available situation for run.
Yeah, and I think that everythingyou just talked about fits just now.
Probably focused on North American players,yeah, you know, but there's
also Russian players as well, whichwhich adds another variable as well. When

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are they able to come over?When would they come over? And again
you're not necessarily thinking next season becausethey do need time to develop. But
there's just a couple other of snagsthat happen with those kinds of players.
You're taking a bit more of arisk. But there's a couple of those
players in the top five that couldgo early. It really is a relationship
based business because when you are talkingabout a player who maybe hasn't been scouted

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as much, and you know,I'll throw one name out there, Ivan
Demidov or Ivan to Meatoff. Hecould easily be the most player, the
most talented player in the draft notnamed Mattlan Celebrina, but not many had
seen him until his pre draft workoutabout roughly a month ago. So there
is a little bit of trust,not so much assumption, but trust that

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the reports that you're getting back inNovember and December, are you know,
going to be lining up and goingto be true with what you see,
you know, getting closer and closerhere toward the draft, So those things
are real, and those things influenceddecisions, you know, for those who
are making decisions for who they wantto pick, you know, coming up
here in the first you know,roughly few picks here. Well, yeah,

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and I think it's like you said, Ale, it's especially true given
you know, the current geopolitical climate. Like the Russian players a lot of
times are often uh, you know, do we want to take a chance?
Are they going to be allowed toleave Ussia? Will they be able
to come over here? That beingsaid, you have a number of suites,
a number of checks, a numberof fans who are available in this

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draft. But I think you're rightwhere this player fits. You don't see
these players. You can't European guys, you know, unless you're scouting staff
like the Seattle Kraken has, youknow, a robust European division where there
are three or four scouts living overin Europe who can travel to all these
countries, all these tournaments. Theonly time you're really going to see a

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lot of these European prospects, you'regoing to be at the World Juniors.
Sometimes at the World Championships. Afew of those players can play for their
countries or the World Championships and variousother international tournaments. Whereas if you're here
in North America you want to seea guy like Tija Gimla, well,
all you gotta do is go downto show are set right or go up
to evert or where and enjoy thegame and oh, hey, look at

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this. You can see half theWHL prospects in a weekend. Yeah,
for sure, And that's definitely abig benefit because you want to learn as
much as you can about these playerson the ice, but off the ice
as well. What's their mindset aboutcoming and playing in the NHL, what's
her mindset about leaving home? What'syour mindset about leaving their country? Yeah,
and coming here, and all ofthat factors into the value of that

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asset. And at the end ofthe day, that's what it is.
It's an asset. And again you'rehoping that these guys will will learn and
grow because I think a lot oftimes, especially in the NHL, we
forget you know, these are seventeen, eighteen, nineteen year old kids.
So in most in the NFL andthe NBA, these players are coming out
at twenty twenty one. You know, the NBA has the nineteen year old

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rule, but for the NHL,you know, you're drafted, your property
of that team, but you're goingback to play for your you know,
your junior team in your country.You're going back to college. You've got
a couple of years. So youknow, these players a lot of times
will mature mentally, emotionally, mostimportantly physically on the ice. So you're
drafted today at you know, sixone, one hundred and sixty pounds.

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By the time you're ready to cometo the NHL, you're probably six three
a buck ninety and that's gonna beThat's a huge difference from from when you
were drafted to when you're ready tomake that debut. And how much are
you dear prospect putting into your bodyas far as lean protein, way protein
everything. But well, let's saythe sugary suits. I can't. I

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can't do that. That's the reasonwhy I'm sitting in this chair and not
usually skating down is there. I'mhere, I'm here for a good time,
that a long time. So I'mgonna I'm gonna eat what I can
four nine four five one on theTullomor dude text line, Hey, what
are you eating? If you're aprospect? But I mean well, I
think besides that a great chance toopen the floor up for you even more
draft questions, prospect questions, thedirection here for the crack and where are

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they going? Ahead? Drop itin right now four nine four five one
via the Tutllmore dude text line.We'll get to your reaction a little bit
later on here during the show,not just once, but quite a few
times. Matter of fact, thiswe have a lot to cover here from
a great place at thirty two Barand Grill, a place that I love
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many friends around here. The foodis phenomenal. Coming out and join us.

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If we have not yet made yourdecision for the evening, We're gonna
be going on the air until aboutseven o'clock here or so. In the
draft we'll have a good conversation ofwho do you take and state your case.
And I'll say this for later forall of us here as we get
toward the top of the hour,but for what the Kraken take in the

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future, there are still questions ofwhat are they going to do to fortify
their lineup for the now? Andwithout question, the biggest need is goal
scoring. But the big question isis more likelier you get it via free
agency or the trade market? Imean, I think it depends. It

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really depends. This year, likethe draft class, the free agency class
isn't the best that we've seen inthe NHL, and we've already had reports
of a number of who we thoughtwould be top UFA. Sam Ryan Hart,
apparently the Panthers are closing in onan eight by nine and a half
deal with him, so he mightbe off the market. Nikolai Eelers was

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just traded to Washington, Andrew Monjapaniwas traded to Washington as well, so
there's a number of players out there. I was watching listening to TSN this
morning and apparently according to Darren Drager, who's one of the top analysts in
hockey, he was saying about seventyfive to ninety percent of UFA's already know
where they're going to sign come MondayTuesday. So hopefully a few of those

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names have Seattle on their list.But I think this is the tough part
for Ron Francis because you're gonna have. Right now, you've got twenty three
million dollars to play with on thesalary cap. You need to sign Matt
Evaniers, you need to sign EllieTolvenan, who are both RFA. So
maybe you can cut that number ina half. So let's say you've got
about eleven twelve million dollars to playwith in free agency. Are you gonna

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go out there and try to signa max player eight by eight what have
you? And have about four millionto play with? Do you want to
go sign two four million dollar playersand then maybe get some depth, third,
fourth, flying guys in there aswell. When it comes to trading
players, that's an option, butyou have to look at it from both
ways. Who on the crack androster is another team going to look at
and say, hey, I wantthis player. There's probably three or four

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names, and I'm not gonna mentionan name because I don't want people coming
after me and saying, hey,Everett said we should trade X y Z
already give you exactly not saying that. But if you're a GM and if
you're looking at trading players, youneed to look from the other side.
Of guests I would love to bringin this top six goal scoring forward.
Okay, well, who on thecrack and roster is worth a top six

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goal scoring forward? And that listis probably pretty small, and it's a
couple of players that you probably don'twant to get rid of. If you're
Seattle and if you're trying to build, Yeah, I think it's always why
you're you're trying to build your teamwith your A plus players through your draft,
Yeah, or you get lucky andyou grab a B plus player that
turns into an A or A plusplayer just by the fact of with the

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right guys. But your your pointis spot on. You give up a
player to get an A player,So yeah, you're you're swapping one for
the other. You're basically in thesame position. I think. I think
you solve this through uh, throughthe draft, through free agency, and
through some maybe maybe creative trades.And I'm not gonna name any names,
but I'm gonna give you a scenario. There's probably one, two, three,

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four five players on this crack androster right now today that if you're
trying to improve offensively, if you'retrying to get that top six forward,
if you're trying to get a consistentforty goal scorer, thirty goal score player.
There's about four players, five playerson this roster that the other team
is gonna want. And I'm gonnaleave you to guess who those four or

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five players could be. And Ipromise you there are players that a lot
of fans and even Ron Francis arenot ready to part with. But those
are the tough decisions that you haveto make, especially in a league unlike
the NFL, in the NBA,where you've got five hundred million dollars in
CAF base, you got eighty eight, right, eighty seven, eighty eight
million bucks in CAF bas. Soyou have to fit twenty three guys in

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that small, tight window, andit's not easy to do. And didn't
we already see a report about roughlya month ago where the trade market as
it has been heating up, Yeah, the crack and had been taking calls
for a trade proposal, and RonFrancis had several teams, I guess reportedly
inquire about Shane Wright, and thereaction was, nah, ah, Shane,

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especially after what we saw in CoachellaValley during the playoffs. Fits you
saw that up close and personal.Yeah, I mean Shane Wright. I
remember talking to a few folks downthere, and I could tell, in
the most positive way possible, ShaneWright was playing mad. He was playing
as if you are not gonna sendme back down here ever again. I
mean, he missed six games.So the first game that I saw him

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was Game one of the final againstHershey. He did not skip a beat
and he comes out there. He'sin the offense. Obviously he's scoring a
lot of goals, but he's doingthings away from the puck. In all
of that stuff that we talked aboutShane Wright needing to get better at,
he got better at. In theregular season. We saw what he did
what he had five goals and anassists, four goals and an assists in
his time in Seattle late in theyear. And then he goes and get

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eight points in the final, eightpoints in the final alone for Coachella Valley.
So for me, Shane Wright hasgone from penciling his way into this
lineup to penning his way into thislineup. I was very impressed with Ryan
Winterton. I was very impressed withLogan Morrison, Ryker Evans. I think
he's got a spot on this teamas well, and those in a couple
of other guys who you have seenhere in Seattle. Cole lind played very

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very well. John Hayden played veryvery well. Both those players are going
to be UFAs this summer. Sowe have to look at Coachella Valley five,
six, seven of their top playersare gonna be UFAs, do the
KRACK and re sign them. Ithink some of them are going to try
to find homes elsewhere also, soa lot needs to be decided here over
the next few days. And theguy who coached them is now head coaching

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the Krack and beginning this next season. That's Dan Biosma. He's joining us
a little bit later on here,as we're starting to see the levee not
break so much, but kind ofcreak open a little bit here as Everett
kind of hinted at already a fewtrades going down, mainly in swapping draft
picks, but also more news potentiallythat Steven Stamkos could be available on the

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free agent market. That is anew wrinkle. Throw that in with the
names like Sam Reinhardt, Jay Genselavailable. Potentially Nikeith is a door off
if of course he's also bought outJeff Skinner, along with names like Patrick
Lioney on the trade market, potentiallyMartin Achis, Mitch Marner. Yes,
I'll touch that scalding hot pot rightthere. Even even nozen Kadri's name getting

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out there this morning as well.We're talking more about this the guy who's
well plugged and well connected, JeffMerika, Sportsnet and thirty two Thoughts joining
us right around the corner. Yougotta take a break. More to come
and plenty of it live. Weare live from thirty two Bar and Grill
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(33:05):
for good reason. He and ElliottFriedman had the drop on what it seems
like everything across this league. Anduh, we're grateful for a few minutes
with him here. Jeff Merrick ofSports and thirty two Thoughts, the famous
podcast, joining us here. Jeff, thank you so much here. First
off, can you give me asilver lining about Vegas heat in the middle
of June? Ooh, geez,I'm not really sure that I can't.
I'll tell you what it's. It'snice to go for a run about five

(33:25):
o'clock in the morning because that's whothe only time is as a runner,
I can actually get out there.But you know what it's it's like,
you're we watch from the hotel tothe sphere and we're dripping, so we
have to bring our suits and leavethem there everywhere you go in Vegas this
draft, we you have to haveit sort of baked into your pie that

(33:45):
you're going to be hot and you'regoing to be sticky and you're going to
be sweaty. It's just one ofthose things that you just know what you're
getting getting in sore for in youyou adjust accordingly. But there's like like
look, Mike, you know,it's like it's uncomfortable. But that's okay.
If that's if that's the worst thingthat's going to happen to me in
my day, I'm doing all right. Even we have to adjust going from
Seattle to Palm Springs or wherever itis to warm tropical climates here. But

(34:08):
Jeff, thank you so much againfor doing this here with us. I
mean, let's just dive into what'sthe situation you think with the Kraken their
cap space right now at over twentymillion without the r all the RFA stuff
locked in with Matty Benier's and NellieToulvenan, But what's realistic for them as
far as top line talent and addinghere for the offseason. Make no mistake

(34:31):
about a job number one for RonFrancis's goals. If you can score goals,
Francis is interested in you, andI think that's why we're you know,
I think we're wondering about, well, most wanted to the Jeff Stanner
when that biote is concluded with theBuffalo Sabers. I mean there's a background
certainly with with Jason Bottrel on thetour together, as you all know with

(34:52):
that with the Buffalo Sabers. Butyou know, any name of any player
really that can that can score iswho Seattle is interested in. Like you'll
hear plenty about Jake Deebrass. Idon't think that Gentil ends up in Seattle,
But I mean I think you knowthe players, the type of players
that I'm that I'm talking about heregoalsports. You know, at the at

(35:13):
the end of it, you know, Seattle found that they just weren't able
to produce enough offense, and thatis you know, that is the number
one thing that run Francis is lookingfor. Do you believe a lot of
the smoke that we're hearing a lotmore today about Steven Stamcoast and Tampa Bay
or the possibility of him moving on. Every day that we get closer to
July first becomes more and more ofa you know, less of a rumor

(35:36):
and more of a reality. Elliotthas this theory that what Campa is doing
here is they're trying to figure outif they can bring in Jake Cansel,
and that might be holding up anyStephen Stamcoast negotiation. I have a hard
time seeing Stephen Stamcoast in another uniform. Having said that, we've said that
about a lot of other hockey playersover over over history. But no,

(36:01):
like, there's there's something to thatif if the Tampa Bay Lightning, you
know, bring in someone like JakeCansel, mean everyone has the same salary
cap and they need to do somemassaging here if they're going to bring in
some new players and take another runat this thing. I put this way.
Every day that goes by, Ibelieve a little bit less that it's
far fetched. And here we areapproaching July first. Once we get once

(36:23):
you get past the draft. Butand I'm not sure how you're like on
this one, Mike, but everytime I even start to have the conversation,
I feel weird because I just alwaysjust sort of assume that Steven Stamkos
was going to be one of thoseguys you know, from the root to
the fruit, and that's it,you know, from the from the day
of drafted to the day you retirewith the same team. So that one

(36:44):
would look if he is in anotheruniform mixture that one would look charring.
It would kind of give like JoeNamath la rams vibes. I think,
really here at this point, asa Jeff Merrick joining us, Patrick Lyoney's
name still reportally out there by trade, Martin Nate just his name reported,
he still out there by trade.I mean, as of right now,
what's the realistic asking price? Well, I mean I've been told, I've

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been I've been warned about going totoo aggressively on the Patrick line situation.
I mean, I think a lotof it depends on I think a lot
of the return depends on his columbusretaining salary or not. And the less
that they're retaining, the less thatthe asking price is. Whyne is fascinating.

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I've always this and he's one ofthe best, you know, distance
shooters in the NHL. I meanhe is. He is the literal definition
of the streaky goalscorps. I mean, line A can be silent for an
entire month and then score like eightgoals in a week like That's just the
nature of of Patrick Wine here.Martin as is. So the thing about

(37:50):
Martin h is like to watch foris. Don't be surprised if at the
draft tonight Carolina and Columbus uh endup doing business together. You know,
with Dell has pretty much said,you know, we're we're open for business
here in Columbus and we need tomove things forward. He has a background
with Martin hus So if it's theHurricanes that end up doing business with the
fourth overall draft pick with Columbus,don't be surprised if if Martin Hius is

(38:15):
the compensation there as of our partof that should part part of the package,
part of the package. Yeah,it's going to be really fun to
watch, especially because with some ofthe prices being asked around here, and
even reports are that one team wouldbe willing to dangle their first round pick
to make a trade like this happen. It's still unclear if the crack and
would even think about doing that asJeff Merrick joining us, But say if

(38:37):
they still sit around a just basedon this draft overall, I mean,
what are we looking at you thinkas far as defenseman and game breaking defenseman
and maybe how long players like thosetake to marinate and be ready to make
an impact. Yeah, you know, there's a couple of impactful players right
out of the gate. I meanMaclin celebrity is one, Demodoff is the

(39:00):
other. That doesn't necessarily mean thatDevadoff is going to go number two to
the Chicago Blackhawks. But if youlook at like game changing, you know,
suddenly changes the game players. Thoseare the two were looking at.
You know, it is interesting,Mike, You know, we may see
this year that nobody from this year'sdraft plays in the NHL next season.
Maclam celebrating still hasn't made up hismind whether he's gonna he's gonna turn pro

(39:22):
or go back to Boston University.Uh, Demidoff will still take some time
to come out of Russia. Imean, if whoever draft ends up drafting
hope, that's the beach cop situationwhere it's one more year in Russia and
then free and clear to play inthe NHL. But that's not guaranteed.
But then even after that, likeeverybody, everybody is going back. Like
there may be players that get alittle bit of a taste at the beginning

(39:45):
of the season, but but butno one's gonna stick. We don't think
uh, in the NHL next year. I mean, there are always the
chance of surprises. But as itlooks right now, you know this might
be and I can't remember when thelast time we saw this, this might
be one of those drafts where nobody play the following season in the NHL.
Wow, there's so what does that? So what does that mean then

(40:06):
for your pick? Maybe? Andthat's what you're sort of getting at here,
is you know, if it's ifit's not a situation where you know
Siatle can take someone the kid thatcan jump in and have an impact next
season, does that make it thatmuch easier perhaps for Ron Francis to either
move that pick or trade down.Absolutely, And that's why I think tonight
we're going to see We're going tosee more movement than we've seen in recent

(40:28):
years, the teams moving up andteams moving down. Because the watch after
number one, after number one,everybody has a different list. Everybody.
Yeah, fun to watch because younever know what's going to happen next.
Here Jeff finally new kid in townsort of in the Western Conference, And
here comes Utah. And you calledthis about four months ago when we had
this conversation, And here they arewith a warehouse sized amount of cap space

(40:53):
coming over from Arizona. So kindof a two parter here expectations for Utah
next season, and I think,to you, what hurts the most seeing
Arizona bow out? Now? Howcan let me take the Arizona question here
first? So I always had asoft spot in my heart for Arizona.
That is an organization in a marketplacethat was never able to get on solid

(41:19):
ground for a lot of reasons,many of which were not of their own
doing. At times, it certainlywas it's like they're not you know,
it's not like they're not compl culpablein all of this, But how many
different owners ended up running through,how many arena disagreements, how many botched
arena placements. It seemed as,if you know, and to all of

(41:39):
it as well, they're able toput together a really vibrant youth hockey market,
both on the girls and the boysside at the same time. So
the drag of it is, youdon't want to see that youth hockey moment
some halts that are stopped in anyway, shape or form, knowing full
well that eventually the Arizona Coyotes willcome back in some way perform into the

(42:00):
NHL. As far as Utah goes. I mean, Bill Armstrong has talked
about this quite open. Their goalis to be a competitive team next year
and play competitive games down the stretchand not be the team that's you know,
bowed out by Christmas and the teamthat everyone's trying to pick from come
trade deadline time. The interesting thingabout Utah this year and this summer specifically,

(42:23):
the Coyotes always had cap face,Mike, but they never had cap
cash, and this year they havecap face and they have cap cash,
and the other thing to pay attentionto, it's a really good question,
Mike. The other thing to payattention to is Utah is looking for right

(42:43):
now veteran players on short term contracts. So maybe there's a veteran player who's
on the last year of a dealand has a no trade clause. You
know, Utah has a way ofgetting that playered away by saying like,
look, we need you for twomore year years after your Coughttact expires.
We can pay more than anybody elsebecause of sense. You were just renting

(43:05):
you to help provide you know,leadership and show our kids the way to
play and help turn them into pros. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's
one of the directions here that Utahgoes in at all three positions as well.
To me, they're going to beone of the more fascinating teams,
like for this way. I mean, you know Ryan Smith, and he's
young, and he's brash, andyou want to make a big splash here.

(43:27):
I will be really curious to seehow disciplined might UTAH stays, knowing
full well that the owner here.I mean, you don't pay a billion
dollars and not want to get outthere and ring a bell and alert everyone
to be to the fact that you'rein the NHL and make a big headline.
I'll be curious to see if ifRyan Smith not so subtly encourages his

(43:49):
general manager to go out there andmake some noise in the marketplace. Great
stuff, Jeff, You've got ashow to get to. I wish you
a calm, cool and collected emphasison cool show out there in Vegas.
Say thanks so much, my man, appreciate you. You Mike are going
to love this fear I'm telling youlike I'm jealous. I'm I'm sure I'm

(44:09):
sort of hardwired to hate everything.And I walked in I walked in.
I walked in on Thursday, andI'm like, I cannot even begin to
be glumpy guy about this. Itis core. I just hope it translates
to television, but inside it isphenomenal. It is one of the most
incredible things that I've seen in hockey. Mike, you are going to absolutely

(44:32):
love this. This is going tobe so cool. Appreciate you. That's
Jeff Merrick joining us as sports Netand thirty two thoughts. Yeah we're jealous,
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(44:54):
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fellas, but I was gonna originallyget to for the time that we
had and it's not much here forthis a few minutes of this block here,

(52:13):
but we're gonna play state your case. We'll get into it more once
we get past the top. Ofthe hour here, But give me a
hint what you're looking for. Giveme a hint of what you're aiming at
here, state your case for yourdraft pick. For your hint, ever,
go yeah. I think for me, I mean, if we're going,
if we're keeping in mind that wemight not see this player for a

(52:34):
while and this is still very mucha work in progress for the player.
There's a lot of really talented defensemenin this league. One of the hardest
positions to find and to have successin the NHL is a right shot defenseman.
I'm going with Zamperrek. Ninety sixpoints this year one of the best
draft eligible seasons in rut there.Listen, I mean when when you see

(53:00):
the work that Vince Dunn did overover the last couple of years before he
got injured, finding that offensive game, paired up with Adam Larson, I
think, thirty three goals, sixtythree sists, he won the the Memorial
Cup. That there we go withsagon all this year. I think for
me that would be if he's availablethere, I would go zam Perrek.

(53:22):
Another one would be Tigaginla. Iwas a big Jeromeguinla fan as a kid,
so selfishly, I'd love to seePapa Againla add some cracking games.
This to another former Seattle Thunderbird,al Kiniski, at least give me a
hint. Well, I mean,fits is right the spot where the Kraken

(53:42):
are going to find themselves. They'relikely going to see a bunch of defensemen
available. So I've got a defensemanin my sights as well. I think
that you know, yes, thereneeds to be scoring right now, but
you're not going to see this playerfor a few years because of that focus
on scoring and likely forwards, you'regonna need defenseman in it few years,
so it will be defense. I'mgonna give you one hint, friends,
do you want a left shot dwho can move the puck, who's got

(54:05):
no holes in this game? Maybeplays more offense than defense, but well,
because he's not playing defense much,he's got he's got the puck all
the time. Well, chew onthis one. Here for this next break,
we're gonna get some more of thisstate your cases for your picks,
a lot more to get to theNHL draft From the sphere in Las Vegas.
Right around the corner, we aregetting closer to the four pm hour

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Mike Benton with you, Everett fitsyou Al Kanisky as we go round and
round and round and speculate all theway until the eighth overall pick, which
we project will be happening in aboutroughly an hour from now. We had
a bit of a hinting, guys, as we're getting closer here to pick

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number one coming up and then thedominoes will begin to fall. But we
had a hint, Fitz. Yousaid, I'm gonna throw it right out
there, hitting bullseye with the dart. Zaane Perek is your guy. Yeah,
you want to state your case rightnow. We're gonna play state your
case for your draft pick as weawait Scott Wheeler of the Athletic on the
phone not too far away from here. Let's start with you, Zaine Perek.

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More on him. Why do youlike him? Yeah? I think
for for me it is it's oneof the more rare positions if you can
find success at that right shot defensemanwho can quarterback the power play. I
remember going into last season, beforethe Kraken made the playoffs, we were
talking about what's the biggest area ofneed. Obviously, you're always gonna look

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for some more offense. You're goingto look for, you know, a
little bit of vinegar and sandpaper downyour lineup, but you also need a
right shot, power play quarterback.And I feel like Zane Perek is a
guy that can do that. Ninetysix points in sixty six games this season
from the back end, one ofthe best draft eligible seasons that we've seen
in the CHL for a very longtime. I think size wise, he

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fits in well. I mean,this is the NHL where you know you're
gonna need a guy who's gonna beover six feet. I mean he's right
at six feet. He's a buckeighty three. So you're hoping that maybe
he can push that one eighty threeup to about one ninety one ninety five
by the time he gets to theNHL. He's eighteen right now. Maybe

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he's done growing, Maybe he hasanother half of an inch or an inch
left in him he can get tosix to one close to it. But
I think, for my money,Zane Perrek is going to be a player
that you potentially could build around.I look at Vince Donne, the work
that he's done over the past coupleof years for the cracking defensively. This
is where I think Ron Francis couldgo will go if he is available.

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And like I said, my otherpick was t J Againla simply because I
was a big Jerome again La fanas a kid and I would not hate
to see Jerome again the kicking aroundCPA for some games, not just you.
But how much is Calgary right now? Oh? Yeah, well Calgary's
right after Seattle, and I haveto imagine if Tchaginla is there, Jerome
Aginla is on the staff there atCalgary, Craig Conroy, who he played

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with for a long time, isthe GM there. So I mean,
listen, it's it's It seems likea match made in heaven. If t
Againla can get dropped to eight andget to get picked by Calgary Alkinski,
what do you got? Yeah?I know, I like that pick and
that was definitely on my short listas far as who I'd like to see.
But I'm gonna go with Sam Dickinsonsix two three corps. It's called

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him six three. He is aleft shot six two in a quarter,
but I round up to six tothree all the time. He too,
is a defense beIN two stepping onsomething neither here nor there though, so
left shot defenseman. He's playing inLondon right now, the London in Ontario,
not the England one. And heis a part of the COCHL.
That's the league I played in.I like that style of hockey. You

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play closer to the eighty two gameseason that the NHL does. He too,
has some size, he's developing somepuck skills. He can play in
all situations, and I think that'sthe key, and I think that's why
I liked Zane Perek as well.When you get a defenseman, you're looking
for a guy that can take careof his own end, but also contribute

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offensively, whether that's on the rushfive, one five, or quarterback in
your power play. If you getthose three pieces in the defenseman, you've
got a top six defenseman. See. I can't help but think, as
I'll state my case right now.You want a guy who's got no holes
in this game. That's the wordfrom him. You want a guy who
compares right now to Quinn Hughes.You want to guy maybe who can anchor
your top pair on defense for thelong term. I encourage you take a

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look and be excited if he's thereat eighth overall and zeev Booiam out of
Denver National champion from this last season, about six foot one eighty five.
So Everett, we're about in theZane porrect era right thereof you know,
he could put on a little moreLB's we'll see how much he rounds out.
But man, I look at himmore and more, and I thought

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so much about the Zaane correct thing, and he'd be a great pick.
But I can't help but think howmuch he can skate, how much that
can translate here into the way thatthat the akra can can play. He
can walk the blue line. He'sa great facilitator, he can make something
out of nothing. And this allcame amazingly from a roller hockey background.
Yeah, he doesn't come from Winnipeg, he doesn't come from Toronto. He
doesn't come from say Detroit or Bostonor Minnesota. He's from San Diego,

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California. He went Sandia. He'sgot a great background too, Zusa Pacific
and everything. Yeah, only twoand a half hours away. Thank you.
I want to make that drop wouldahead and did my work for me?
San Diego, San Diego, kiddy. He's got a great backstory.
He's the son of Israeli immigrants aswell. Brother Shay fell in love watching

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his cousin play club hockey in SanDiego. They were originally a basketball family.
His mother played pro, became aGM lader, and they wanted to
move to America, into the UShere for more opportunities, et cetera,
et cetera. But he gained allof this his his hockey IQ, his
creativity by using headfakes, you know, by using creativity with with with the

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a puck as well playing roller hockey. But it translated so much to college
hockey, where he was so dominantat the way that he controlled the puck,
he controlled the power play, wasdominant on zone entries as well,
so that we hear a lot aboutin this crackt system how well can you
how well can you move the puckin as far as far as the offensive
zone and zone entries. Size maybe a bit of a con. I

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don't look too much into that,And people say this sometimes he can bite
off more than he can chew forhis game. But that's a very coachable
element, I think, and fora player who's gotten no holes in this
game. Reportedly, that's a scoutsspeak on this if you're taking a player
who spends much more time on offensethan defense. Yet the reports are back

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he was a lockdown defender in theFrozen four was mashed up with Macklin Celebrini
as well. I can't help butthink, oh, I would love one
of those defense men. We'll seeif he's there though at number eight.
Yeah, and with him too.I think I was reading something this morning
that said that he's probably of thiscrop, of this top ten, top
twelve crop that we're talking about.Yeah, he was the one name where

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folks, outside of maybe a MacklinCelebrini, he was the one name where
folks feel he could play in theNHL this season, and that once the
year is over with Denver, that'llbe late late February into March, assuming
they go to the play or tothe champion Tournament, which they alway often.
Do you know, maybe if heis drafted by the crack and he'll

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be like Matt Evaniers, he'll goin the last eight to ten games of
the season. But you know,that's the difference between a lot of those
junior players and the college players aswell. But you're still I love what
you said there about what he isnow. And I think some of these
college guys, the top high endskill guys, your Badards or McDavid's,
what have you. Those players outof the CHL they are NHL already very
very rarely do you see them needingas much seasoning as other players. But

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when you look at a player likezebu Andem from college, you're going up
against bigger, You're going up againststronger, you're going up against older.
So a lot of times those collegeplayers who were eighteen nineteen years old going
into college playing against twenty twenty one, twenty two. I remember when I
was in Bolding Green University, AndrewHammond, who was a goaltender in the

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NHL for a number of years,he was a twenty two year old freshman.
So you're going up against twenty one, twenty two, twenty three year
olds. It's a little bit easierfor you to adjust to the bigger and
the harder style of game in theNHL. And he did all this way
as a freshman as a freshman atDenver. So we all know pretty much
the first overall pick is going tobe map and celebrating the coronations right around

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the corner, as we see CommissionerGary Bettman approaching the stage right now.
But we're getting ready here and gettingset for the eighth overall pick. Who
do the krack and take? Who'sgoing to be right there? And so
many options as of right now,but we have an answer from Scott Wheeler.
All the ATHLETICOHO joins us right nowover the phone. Have you been
to the sphere and when's the when'sthe last time you've been to Vegas?

(01:10:30):
I have actually never been to Vegas, oh alone the spirit it's Vegas and
Seattle are actually two of the finalNHL markets in NHL arenas that I need
to get to. I believe I'mat twenty six or twenty seven of the
thirty two markets at this point,and Vegas and Seattle are still a nice
to do it. So I'm lookingforward to looking forward to getting down to

(01:10:51):
Vegas for the first time. Oh, that's going to be fun down there.
Seattle certainly calling your name my friend, and hey, we know that
this city takes care of a lotof people when they I'm in here for
the first time, so we're lookingforward to having you around whenever that can
happen hopefully pretty pretty soon. Scott, how do we best talk about this
draft after maclan Celebrini. Well,I think the story of this draft after

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Maclin Celebrini, when we look backon it five ten years from now,
is going to be written about thedefenseman. This is a draft that has
really six sixty who are viewed aspremium defenceman, plus the seventh in Adam
Yeirchek, who was viewed in thatgroup heading into this season but lost the
year to a pair of knee injuriesand is now a big question mark.

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But the sixth who are likely togo at a very very top and I'm
talking five in the top eight ornine picks in all likelihood, and then
certainly all six gone before the team'sprobably in that sort of top twelve range.
That's rare at the draft. Typicallythere are only two or three defensemen
taken in the top ten to twelvepicks. You really have to go all

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the way back to twenty twelve,more than a decade ago, to find
a draft that have five or sixor the peat taken right at the top.
And obviously twenty twelve was the draftof Morgan Riley and Tyler Myers and
Mac Dumba and camp wind Home andthat was really the story of that draft,
when Maleiacopov and Alexi gal Kenya thetwo top forwards, never really worked
out. So this draft isn't goingto look like that because Maclin Sellabreni is

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going to become star in the NHL. But I still think the story of
this draft maybe just the quality andimpact that these five or sixty are likely
to make in the NHL. Ithink we've got not just some first pairing
types, but some potential true numberones. And I also think we've got
some guys who are going to putup some big points from the back end
in this group. So a big, big mix of a lot of things

(01:12:43):
that goes sixty and that's going tobe exciting to sort of follow them and
track to see which of those sixwill really rise above the crop as NHLers.
Yeah, so if it's enything liketwelve years ago, you're talking about
guys you mentioned like Morgan, Riley, Hoppus, Lendhole, Matt Dumba,
but also Jacob Truba as well,there could be some pretty good players hanging
around there in the rough of thefirst ten pecks of Scott Wheeler of the
Athletic joining us right now, Scott, at this point, what are the

(01:13:06):
odds telling us about what could bethere at number eight? Are we talking
about someone who's a better fit ifyou need someone to maybe make an impact
on the future of your franchise orjust basically flat out best player available,
say maybe as a Ford. Well, the beauty of this draft is that

(01:13:27):
after Celebrini, the group from reallytwo to ten, two to twelve that
I talked about, there's a lotof variants. There are teams that have
ye I mean, you can orderthat two to twelve in probably ten different
ways. If you did a surveyof the thirty two NHL club there's a
lot of their variability in terms ofthe way that these players are talked about.
Even amongst those five or sixty,you'll see them ordered one to six

(01:13:50):
in a variety of different ways amongstNHL clubs. So that could mean that
at eight, the krack and gettheir third or fourth best player on their
list, right, they could geta guy that they really like if they
break their way, and that's thatpart of it is really exciting. UH
as far as Seattle is specifically,is concerned too. I think that they've

(01:14:13):
they've done a really good job inreally the last last few drafts of very
quickly assembling an excellent pool forward obviouslyMatty mcannier's and Shane Wright, but even
beyond those guys, Carson Raycopp,Jagar Furkus and what he's doing in the
WHL playoffs right now, David Goyettled the OHL in score, and they've
done a really good job. RyanWinterton played his first NHL games this year.

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They've they've assembled a ton of sortof quality forward prospects in a very
short period of time here. Butas as a result of that, they
haven't really spent a lot of draftcapital on the Obviously, Breaker Evans has
become a piece of the puzzle.Ty Nelson was a member of the Canadian
World junior team and as one ofthe better d in the OHL these days,

(01:15:00):
but they haven't spent if you lookat their sort of first and second
round picks, they haven't spent alot of draft capital on D. And
because there are so many quality Din this draft, I think it's a
great opportunity forget best player available.The best player available might be a defenseman
for Seattle at eight, and Ithink that's exciting, the opportunity to really
add that premium d project that theyhaven't yet added. That changes things for

(01:15:24):
the look of their pool. Itcould change things for the looks of their
blue line of the future, andthat's a big, big deal. So
I expect that they'll take a defensionnot just because that may be best player
available to available there, but becauseit just makes a lot of sense to
add for the first time, sortof take a premium asset and use it

(01:15:45):
on a high end defenseman, andthere's there's going to be two or three
available for them there. We'll seeif this one name is there, Sam
Dickinson, a defenseman out of theOntario Hockey League. What's the read on
him and how fair is it tosee maybe hiss of from what we've maybe
Miro Hayskin in in his game.Well, Sam is a six foot three
defenseman who can really skate. Soby virtue you go to players like Hasan

(01:16:09):
in those long players who can reallyreally move. The strength of Sam's game,
despite the fact that he's big,strong, heavy, athletic, well
built kid, is he can reallymove that frame around and he can really
really skate. It's probably his biggeststrength, and as a result, because
of his length and because of hismobility, he's an excellent defender. There's

(01:16:30):
a case to be made that SamDickinson is one of the first or second
best pure sort of defenders amongst thatgroup of six defensemen. Now, he
doesn't have the offense of his namecorrect or as the Bulliam who are kind
of the premium offensive be in thatgroup, but he has really developed his
offensive game. It's come a longlong way. He scored twenty goals in

(01:16:51):
the OHL this year. He wasa point per game defenseman in the OHL
this year. Those are not easythings to do. So this isn't to
say that he's just a big,strong, mobile defensive defenseman. He is
all of those things. But therehas developed some real offense to his game,
some potential power play up side inhis game at the NHL. Now

(01:17:11):
and then suddenly you go from atop four sort of if he can have
some offense, suddenly you take aprojection from a top four defense in which
I think he is almost a lockto become, and suddenly maybe he's a
first pair in the guy right.So that's the calculation that teams are making
with Sam Dickinson at the moment,He's going to be a very very good
NHL defenseman for a long long time. His floor is very high. But

(01:17:34):
I think there's some real feeling thereas well, and a lot to be
excited about as well. So Sammay be available there, he may go
slightly early, but I think there'sa coin flip oodd that he's available there.
And if he is available there,I'm sure that the Seattle craftan would
think long and hard about him.You mentioned the one name out of Saginaw,

(01:17:56):
the ohl Zane Perrek, and it'soften said that right shot defenseman don't
go Rowan Tree Scott. What kindof potential are we talking about him right
now? Well, Vain is oneof one player. He looks nothing like
the other sixty in that group.He's a dynamic, exciting offensive defenseman who
broke the U seventeen in OHLB scoringrecord when he broke twenty goals two years

(01:18:18):
ago. He then broke thirty goalsthis season, which is unheard of for
a defenseman. He almost cracked onehundred points this season, which is also
unheard of for a defenseman. Heled the Memorial Cup hosts in scoring by
thirty plus points. We're talking abouta legit star offensively and a player who
may someday post sixty seventy eighty pointsfrom the back end. It all breaks

(01:18:41):
well for him in the NHL.So the real question with Vain is just
is the defensive game there to matchthe offensive ability? Is he going to
be able to earn the trust ofa coach to get out there for twenty
to twenty five minutes tonight and allowhis offense to take over. We know
that he's going to run first powerplay unit, we know that he's going
to put up points in the NHL. Does he have the B game that

(01:19:05):
some of those other d have isthe question that teams are considering now.
Even if he doesn't have that,I still think there's a strong take to
be made that he's a top five, top ten pick in this draft just
on the basis of his unique offensiveupside. He's doing things that some of
the top offensive b that have comethrough the OHL and had really strong NHL

(01:19:27):
careers in recent memory hasn't done.Whether it's Evan Bouchard, who's a point
for game defenseman for the Edmonton Oilersright now, and was a seventy to
eighty point defense in the OHL withthe London Nights. Whether it's Brant Clark
who was a top five pick forthe Los Angeles Kings, Pavel miint Yukov
who had a breakout or at theseason in Anaheim this year, those were

(01:19:49):
top offensive defenseman in their own rightsin the OHL, and Vane PreK is
even what the cut above those types. So we're talking about a special player
offensively to player who's been compared toEric Carlson in style. Eric Carlson was
never a very physical player, wouldbe quite likely, in my opinion,
a first ballot Hall of Gamers.So now that isn't to state that Perrex

(01:20:12):
going to be that and Eric Carlsonin hindsight and he's won three Norrises and
was a generational talent. But that'ssort of the play style and the prototype.
If you will want to ask youabout Zeev Booyam. You brought him
up a little bit earlier, SanDiego native, eighteen years of age at
Denver, already over a point pergame on that blue line. What's you
read on him and maybe him beingalready at the college game, how much

(01:20:36):
that could project him to be NHLready down the road. Yeah, these
was in a pretty unique set ofcircumstances where because of his late birthday,
he got to play two years asthe National Development Programs for his draft and
then played college hockey in his draftyear, which is a rare honor and
a testament to his readiness as well, obviously coming out of the NTVP to

(01:21:00):
jump in and not just play ona Denver team that won the national Championships,
but to emerge as their number onedefenseman and a number one defenseman on
a team that had Sean Barns andthese older brothers Shy William who are legitimate
high end defenseman in the college incollege hockey at sort of in their own
right. So, uh, Zevehad a special season. Had a better

(01:21:20):
season statistically than some of the verybest freshman d who's played college hockey at
that age in recent memory. Abetter freshman year than Owen Power, a
first overall pick, Zach Warenski,Charlie Maxivoy, the Hughes brothers. Uh,
those are big, big names,those are star players, those are
number one defenseman when Hughes is quitelikely going to win the Norris this year.

(01:21:44):
Uh and and then Ze, tohis credit, had a better season
production wise than those players, uhand did it. Did it while also
being a reliable defender and a reallyactive defender and using his mobility in his
feet to defend at a very highlevel in the end and also play sort
of hard minutes as well for thatDenver team. So he's not just an
offensive guy, he's not just thepoint producer. I think as a result

(01:22:08):
he will quite likely be gone byeight, But if he's available, he
feels like the kind of player whowould be a bit of a no brainer
for the Crafts and could sort ofbe that sort of if not a number
one, then that sort of numbertwo, number three sud defenseman of the
future for them. There's always aquestion of what if and what if they

(01:22:30):
take a forward And you know,looking down the list here, names like
Ivan Demidov, Tzaginla, Jerome mcginles'sson, and then Berkeley Catton at a
WHL spoke in a lot of familiarityhere around this area. What's the upside,
what are the risks? Maybe asfar as players in that category,
well, Teage had an explosive season. He was a member of the Seattle

(01:22:54):
Thunderbirds team that won the WHL championshipwent to the Memorial Cup a year ago,
but on that team was frequently becauseof how loaded they were, and
that was as stacked at forward asa CHL team has ever been in my
time covering the league in Seattle therea year ago. Because of that,
was a fourth liner and even ahealthy scratch at time in his sixteen year

(01:23:14):
old season. Then he gets tradedfrom Seattle to Kelowna and he just takes
off this season and was one ofthe biggest risers in this draft and has
a real opportunity to be a topten pick now and it's not a top
ten picks and certainly a top fifteenone. So TG is a great story.
A power forward, not in theway that his dad was, where
he'll drop the gloves like his oldman did, but a power forward in

(01:23:38):
the skating department. He's a littlebit smaller than Jerome was. Drome was
kind of six foot two and alot meaner than TG is, But he's
a six foot six foot one kidwho can really skate, can absolutely rip
the puck like Jerome could, avery exciting offensive player who when he gets
the puck in the aufensive zone,can make something happen and can score goal.

(01:24:00):
That's Tige's game. Catten's all aboutthe skating. A five foot ten
to five foot eleventh center, soa little bit on the smaller side for
your prototypical center in today's NHL,those guys often moved to the wing,
but a belief amongst many that he'sstill going to stick at center because of
his skating. He's one of thebest skaters in the draft, a dynamic
offensive player who gets the puck andwinds up and can just make things happen

(01:24:24):
with the puck on his stick.Really really exciting talent and an opportunity to
be, if not a top sixcenter in the league's been a very talented
top six winger in the NHL.And then that the other list. I
mean, Demodov's quite likely going tobe gone. Demodov's one of the best
young players that has come out ofRussia in some time. But Caten and

(01:24:45):
Pig could be options there and couldbe candidates there for Seattle and would certainly
add to that strong group. Italked about it forward and give them another
sort of premium forward asset. That'sour conversation with Scott Wielerrow the athletic big
banks him for joining us here,and well, if you had Maclan Celebrini
on the board of hoping he willfall to eighth, You're sorry to burst

(01:25:06):
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Maclan celebrating like we all predicted,it was always Maclan Celebrini. Rdm Less
Shoonoff Lefshanov I should say, justpicked up by the Chicago Blackhawks and pick
number two. So we're getting closerand closer here to eighth. Overall,
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Everett fits you Alkaneski as the firstthree picks. The first three picks are
in the books at the Sphere inLas Vegas, Anaheim. A bit of
a reach, but report saying thatthey could have done this, and they
did. Beckett Seneca out of theOntario Hockey League taking third overall. Columbus
is now on the clock and we'regetting closer and closer here to the eighth

(01:34:12):
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into the telemar dude text line forthe first time this evening again four nine
four five one for your questions,your reaction as well. And as we
know, mattlan celebrity off the board. Everyone saw this from about probably eight
months ago. Iey on it.You're a holding out, hope, You're
a holding out hope. Let's diveright in here again four nine four five

(01:34:59):
on on the tullmore dude text line. Our first question here from the three
to six. So what type ofphilosophy should we expect on the offensive and
defensive ends for the Kraken next season? Also should we expect more for checking
and back checking? Aaron in Vancouver, Washington, Great question. Yeah,
I think for me, offense isgoing to be speed, it's going to
be generation, it's going to beexecution. And I know that all of

(01:35:23):
those words, especially execution, wassomething we heard from Dave Hackstall quite a
bit. But Dan Bilesma, youknow, having been able to talk to
him and now for the last coupleof weeks been around him, you can
really tell his philosophy. He wantsto play with pace, he wants to
push the pace. His players neverstop skating, his players shoot the puck
offensively. They generate a ton ofchances. So I think that's gonna be

(01:35:45):
the philosophy there, And honestly,it may kind of be like a,
well, no, duh, youknow what I mean. Obviously he want
to generate offense, but I thinkthat's going to be utmost first and foremost
priority for Seattle. And I thinkdefensively, look, last, you're one
of the top teams in the NHLon the defensive side of the pluck,
you need to keep it that way. I think the Coacheva Valley Firebirds defensively

(01:36:06):
this year, we're around the middle, maybe tenth to fourteenth in the AHL.
Dan bilesm a coach team. Soyou'd like to see Seattle continue to
limit their chances. You don't wantto see them give up anything on defense
from last season, but you needto see them score at least, you
know, point five to two pointnine goals per game more over the course

(01:36:29):
of a season. Yeah, thanksfor the question, Eron. I agree
with it with what you said there. Fit. I think that I'm gonna
zero in on one specific area ofthe ice, and that's the front of
the net. Yeah. I thinkyou're gonna see a big focus on getting
to and battling to stay in frontof the net this season, which will
then result in a lot of goalscoring. I think that's where it's gonna
happen. All right, Columbus ismoving up here for the fourth overall pick.
As we dip right back into theTalmore Dude text line from the four

(01:36:51):
to two five approximately, where wouldJaggar furcus A bit of a hypothetical question
here, where would Jaggar Furcus bedrafted to if this was his draft year.
Gosh, you know, I Iwould have to say he's gonna he's
gonna be in that top ten forsure, maybe top five because of this
draft being so heavy in defenseman,He's automatically gonna move up because of that.

(01:37:14):
I that's that's where I would seehim. I mean, I think
after the year he had, wasn'ta CCHL Player of the Year this year.
I mean, for me, ifhe had this season and he was
going into the draft, I don'tsee why Fergus wouldn't be number one,
Yeah, maybe number two. Imean, we all know that NHL scouts
they love the CHL players, especiallyif you can say he's a top you

(01:37:38):
know, CCHL prospect leading score onehundred and some odd points. I think
if this was if if Fergus wasdrafted this season, he would have already
been taking off the boards. AsCaden Linstrom just selected fourth overall now by
Columbus, Fergus would have been offthe boards after the year he just had
already. That's the kind of yearthat that a lot of these prospects had
two years ago. In that manythought that Fercus was a first round guy.

(01:38:01):
Yeah, and to your point,Fitz Kate Linstrom Medicine had WHL guy.
You know he's playing at CHL stylehockey, and you're right. I
think I think that that league notspecific to the WHL, but the CHL
is favored for a lot of reasons. Yes, we have a lot to
get to here as a big banks. Once again to Scott Wheeler of the
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(01:38:23):
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eighth overall pick getting closer. Let'sjump into it this full conversation podcast and
by the way via the iHeartRadio appour check in from earlier with kracking GM
Ron Francis. I'm good, Mike, I hope you're well. It is

(01:45:51):
smoking hot here in Vegas. It'sabound one hundred and ten, I think,
so trying to stay indoors out ofthat heat. You packed a lot
of drift that gulfsh It's incorrect.Yeah. Well, and I'll go inside
very often of course this week,so we'll be comfortable in my room making
calls this this week. How longdoes it take for you usually to clear

(01:46:14):
out all your emails and unread textmessages? Yeah, I mean, there's
just so much going on this weekright here. We're still interviewing some players
ahead of the amateur draft. We'restill having meetings in regards to that.
You're having conversations with your own uhfor shure to free agents and numb strict
agents kind of see where that's at. You're, you know, talking possible

(01:46:38):
trade. So there's a lot alot happening this week, you know,
ahead of uh kind of the drafttomorrow night and free agency on the first,
and our death camp next week andcasey I as well. Well.
This is what excites many of ushere is because it marks maybe the next
big turning point here for this franchise, with free agency heating up very soon,
trade market also heating up, andof course a draft as well tomorrow

(01:47:00):
and again Ron francis joining us rightnow. This is going to be the
last draft run as we know it. I mean, with how things are
run. What have you appreciated aboutthe table setup that you have all in
one building and what's your feel aboutthe move to more of like a war
room type of setup after this lastyear. Yeah, you know, I

(01:47:23):
think the beauty you have in thedrafting one spot is you know, a
lot of the kids come in,so if you want to do a second
interview with them, they're all here. You know. If I want to
talk with you know, some ofmy own players, agents and contracts and
stuff, they're usually here. Sothat part is kind of easy. You
know, it is tough at thetable. You got thirty two teams and

(01:47:45):
you're a gemmed in there. Eachtable holds twenty two people, so quite
honestly, it's really hard to haveconversations with all your scouts. So if
you're at the draft and certain thingsare popping up and it looks like it's
going to fallow a certain way,and and you know, it's a lot
harder for our scouts to have theircomputers open and working freely because uh,

(01:48:05):
there's just not a lot of privacyat the table, and it's not easy
to get around and communicate. Soyou know, I think going to the
war room set up in that regardwill be much more beneficial. Ron's Christopher
here looking at this draft class.Where do you think it's the strongest?

(01:48:26):
You know, I I think it'suh, it's probably one of them.
It is definitely the most interesting draft. Uh, you know we've had since
it took over in Seattle. It'suh. I think everybody feels that the
Celebrini is the consensus number one andhe's going to San Jose. But I
think you can just go look atall the mock drafts and lists and it
sprays pretty good after that. Sothere's a lot of d in the draft.

(01:48:50):
They sentiment in the draft. There'swingers in the draft, so a
lot of different possible positions, andI think some of it will come down
to kind of what teams are lookingfor when they make their selection. But
you know, our skills feel reallyconfident that we're going to get a real
their player. Eight. Ron,we often hear a lot about needs.
I'm not sure you're the one toof course tip your hand before this type

(01:49:11):
of thing. Here. I mean, the trend in the first round for
this team has been about taking aforward, and there are plenty of potentially
game changing defensemen maybe available at eighthoverall. But I think my question to
you as has has time changed somuch where size on the back end is
less important than say maybe it iswith the ability to move the puck?

(01:49:35):
Well, I think I think alot of it depends on each team.
You know. I think you lookat our back end, it's it's built
fairly big, But I think it'salso guys that can skate and move the
puck. So I think, youknow, ideally the players you have can
do all of that stuff. Youknow, I'm from believing in the skating

(01:49:56):
is important at the NHL level,I think the hockey sense is really important,
and you know, you want tohave guys in your organization that I
by level of compete and then you'relooking at kind of what skills set they
bring to the table. So there'sthere's a lot of factors that they go
into making your decision. You know. The other thing that's unique with our
draft more so then you know youtake the NFL, you's when they draft

(01:50:18):
those guys they're ready to step in. In our case, a lot of
these guys are seventeen turning just eighteen, and you know there's a time frame
and a window to get them there. So what you're trying to project is
what you're picking at at this ageis going to be what you think it's
going to be, you know,three years from now. So a lot
of things factor into it, andthat's certainly what we try and big deep

(01:50:42):
on and try and answer as manyof those questions as possibly forward to make
a selection. Krack and got theirnew head coach. What do we learn
from him over these past few months, especially in that championship run that he
just had going back again? Sowhat did you what did we learn from
him as he's going to take overthe new role as head coach for the
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(01:51:02):
years down there. They got tothe call the Cup finals in both years.
You know, unfortunately two years agowe lost in game seven and overtime.
You know, all four games wereby one goal, three and overtime,
and uh, you know, weget back there again this year and
unfortunately again lose a lot of onegoal games and in game six and overtime
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(01:51:26):
done, He's developed our young guysover the course of those two seasons.
He's also in both the staring relationshipwith our veteran players and got the most
of the veteran players there, andand uh, you know that's why we
felt he was the right guy forthe job here well more on why the
future is so bright? That wasour conversation from the RDA with Crack and
GM Ron Francis on these airways.Also Christopher Kidd a part of that.

(01:51:48):
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(01:59:25):
on the clock. Yeah, it'sexciting. Ottawa just selecting Carter, your
rimschuck defenseman from Calghery in the WesternLeague. So I mean, where do
the kracking go here? We weretalking about all the defensemen who were potentially
available at the moment. But listen, this is the part of the draft
now where I mean, are yougonna go best available? Are you gonna

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go with with somebody who you thinkcan make an impact in the immediate future,
which rarely happens at the stage ofthe draft. So this is gonna
be I think, a very importantpick. And look, if we're lucky,
this is the last top ten topfifteen pick for the Bacon In fifteen
years, hopefully the Crack can havea Washington Capitals Blackhawks Tampa like run of

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ten twelve straight years in the playoffs. So this could be your last lottery
pick for a very long time.Well, this is gonna be fun because
all of our picks that we werelooking at are still on the board as
of right now. Even Anton Salaia, many who are saying could be gone
early, but he's still there rightnow. But you've got Zee William if
you want to go that route.You've got Zane Perek if you want to
go that route, a right shotd and even else pick as well in

(02:00:33):
Sam Dickinson. Yeah, absolutely,And you know what, the defensemen are
still all out there. You're seeingteams pick big players at this point.
They're liking the size, they're likingthe chl seems to be a bit of
a theme over the last few picks. And there's also maybe a question I
think too. Yes, defenseman arestill there, but what if you want
to go forward, what if youwant something with more offensive punch. I

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mean, guys like Berkeley Canton arestill out there. There's there's other great
players who are available that you couldeasily take, that could easily upgrade what
you want to do and how youwant to play and how you want to
skate. And again, I thinkthat's very true. And for me,
like we said, defensively, youcan't go wrong offensively, you can't teach
skill, you can't teach speed.You know, you can always get stronger,

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you can always get better with yourskating, you can always get better
with your puck handling. But someplayers offensively defensively just have it. So
if you think these are skills thatare going to translate over the next three,
four or five years, because againto remind people like this pick whoever
it is, we're not gonna seethem in a cracking uniform for minimally two

(02:01:42):
years, if not three or more. We've got also a guy named Constahlnius
on the board here from Finland andmany saying maybe the smartest player out from
that country as well, even asan underrager, as a teenager playing in
a pro league as well. Andthat's also something that I don't think you
can really overstate as hockey smarts,because if if you can see the game
well, if you think the gamewell, anybody can go north to south.

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Anybody can score fifty goals a yearand put up one hundred points,
But are you a smart hockey player? Are you a good player in the
locker room? Al you've been inthose junior hockey locker rooms, You've seen
a number of players who potentially couldhave been Hall of Fame NHL players,
but they didn't have what it takesbetween the years, they couldn't think the
game properly, and now they're nolonger in the league or in hockey.

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Yeah, and those are the kindof things you just don't see from watching
them play the game. You've gonnaspeak to them. You've gotta speak to
the coaches, you gotta talk totheir linemates and understand, you know,
what are they like in those situations? What are they like when when the
chips are down? How do theypick themselves up? Have they been injured?
How did they come back from that? Those all play into the character
of the player, and that's definitelypart of their their their draft value.

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Now, there is still a littleover one minute on the clock here for
the crack and end GM Ron Francisto make their selection again eighth overall and
already a wound name that we sawgo off the board. Teach again,
a guy that we thought would havebeen hanging around here, but Utah got
him. Yeah, Calgary coming upnext at nine after Seattle. I mean
that was gonna have storybook written allover it. But you know, he

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gets taken to Utah, moving fromArizona. So the former league Coyotes now
the Utah Hockey Club making their firstpick, So historic pick for them.
But again, teach Againla. Youlook at where it comes from, that
Hall of Fame pedigree up the middle. I mean a lot of people compare
him a more offensive version of hisdad. Jerome Aginla was gritty Jerome Aginlok.

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He could score goals, but healso wasn't afraid to throw it down
when he needed to. Teach.Againler a little bit more offensive than Jerome
was. But I mean that's gonnabe a really good pick. And for
a city like Salt Lake, SaltLake City, who's brand new to hockey,
you have a splash like this.I mean it's I think a lot
of Aginla jerseys are gonna fly offthe shelves here over the next couple of

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days. I remember when he wasa fifteen year old four playing in the
Western Hockey League. I had theprivilege of calling one of his games on
television locally here for Fox thirteen whenSeattle played the Portland winter Hawks. And
he looked like that he already belongedat that level. Didn't get much experience
in Seattle's Cup run about a coupleof years ago, but for a player
like that, there was no pressureon him. He didn't feel it at

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least, and it seemed as ifhe felt comfortable playing against bigger and more
mature athletes. Yeah, that confidencelevel is huge. When you've got that
confidence level coming into the league,you're already heads and tails against above other
players. Again, to recap here, Macklin's celebrating going first overall. Rtm
Levshanov's second here for the Blackhawks.We're going to go right of the podium

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right now for the Kraken pickers,GM Ron Francis next year. So the
Seattle krackin the pick is in tomake this selection for the Seattle Kraken,
a'd like to introduce Maddie Niers withthe eighth overall pick in the twenty twenty

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four draft. The Seattle Crack andare proud to select from the Spokane Chiefs.
Berkeley Catton. This kid's electric.He dominated the whlsty hours away.
But Berkeley Catton, you are aSeattle cracking Ford out of the Spokane Chiefs.

(02:05:40):
They went local. I mean,well, look you you just you
literally just mentioned that name and listeneighteen. I think he potentially could be
that that offensive center down the wing. Bully's fired up here for the Oh
he has a terrible high fives thanyou. Oh listen, we we we
talked so much about how Seattle wantsto build the offense. They need to

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get more offense, whether it bein the short term this season, next
season of course down the road.Berkeley Catton potentially could be that player for
the Cracking. Well, it reallyoccurred to me here that even with the
bevy of defenseman that you had onthe board, this fell into a best
player available situation. And when aguy scored it's one hundred and fifteen points

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in a very rugged league to play, and in a hard league to play,
and get those kind of numbers,it was way too good to pass
up. Aut Can absolutely five andseventy five pounds. You know, he's
a fast skater out there. Asyou said a local boy, And I
think that is a factor when whenyou think about it, somebody that's used
to playing in this part of thecountry, that's familiar with Washington State,

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this could be a really good fitfor him. And you know what I
think too, from from a froma fan perspective, from a growing the
game perspective, what the Kracking didlast year with Caden hamlot of the efforts
tips. Now you've got another localguy, you know, Tyson Jugnaf who's
down in Plocus, drag A Sevica, this drag A sevic who's out east
as well. So you now havea number of players in your system who

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play here locally to help get toknow the city and get to know the
players. So I like the pick. I do. I'm a little bit
surprised it's given all the defense thatwas on the board for the Seattle Cracking,
but I like this pick a lotoffensively. Here's something fun for you.
And I give credit here to myfriend John Barr who runs the NHL
to Seattle Twitter account x account aswell. They do a great job with

(02:07:32):
the sound of hockey and they kindof broke this down league by league here
and we can talk about how muchthe Kraken spread their resources all across,
it doesn't matter where. But youimagine this now, the WHL. They've
taken six players out of the WHL, the only league that they've taken more
out of the OHL just by oneseven. Yeah, that's fascinating and it

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just goes to show that the talentthat's in those leagues. And you know,
looking at looking at his stats fromlast year, sixty eight games played,
fifty four goals, one hundred andsixteen points. This is a kid
that knows how to put the puckin the net. So yeah, we're
not gonna see him, you know, the up at the NHL level for
a few years, but gosh,when we do, he's gonna know how
to put pucks in that and that'sfantastic. So one comparison here for Berkeley

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Catton again as the crack of makingtheir APH overall selection, Berkeley Catton,
you are Seattle. Kraken picked Aphoverall as a center out of the Spokane
Chiefs of the Western Hockey League.The comparison for him Jonathan drew Anne times
five or what many said what peoplethought Jonathan Drewan would turn out to be.
We can find a better one thanthat. Well, no offense.

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What I like here about Berkeley Cattonis the high hockey IQ, and many
were saying arguably the best, thebest hockey IQ in the entire NHL draft.
You can coach defense, you cancoach intangibles to reign a guy.
It maybe a bit. You can'teach hockey smarts. If you've got a
high level of it, it's almostas if you were born with it.

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And that sets him up for agreat advantage here as it begins with their
Whlcason now as a cracking prospect.Well, and what are we to say,
right? I mean that those thoseare the type of intangibles that I
think you need. Anybody can goout there and score one hundred and sixteen
points, but if you don't inthe juniors, it doesn't happen by accident.
But if you don't have what ittakes between the years, if you

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don't think the game, if youdon't see the game, well, if
you can't go anywhere else other thannorth to south, then you're not gonna
have the type of career that youwant. Yeah. Absolutely, Looking at
TSN sight, Craig Buttons Analysis saysversatile sublime skills and smarts, lineup flexibility,
doesn't get pushed out of his strengths. Two way plus. You like
that he's a two way player.They give him a rating of a four

(02:09:48):
out of five on skating, fiveout of five on hockey sense, and
four point five on competitiveness for fourpoint five offensive play and four on shot
That hockey sense five out of five. You can't coach, yeah, yeah,
like you really can't. It's justsomething that gets developed as a player.
So seeing that he's rated five outof five in that area is fantastic.

(02:10:09):
And looking over your shoulder, theygot him compared to Sebastianajo, which
I think is really that's a greatone, so great comparison. Another guy
that that I've always you know,I like how he plays the game.
I like the way that he plays. So I mean, if you're looking
at a solid two way centerman,if this is going, could he be
your number third Could he be yournumber three center when Yanni Gord retires or

(02:10:31):
moves on, if he's here inthe next few years, could he potentially
you know, do you move aguy like Maddie? Do you move Shane
over to the wing? Maybe hebecomes just center, does he become a
winger. I think there's a numberof opportunities and a number of options that
the Kraken can now play with withanother skilled forward in their group. Well,
listen, I mean we're still talkingabout something that could be you know,
three to four years away, right. I mean, this is gonna

(02:10:54):
again be a process here for aguy like Berkeley Catt. And I recall
back when Matt Barzell was drafted outof the Seattle Thunder program and it still
took him about two years to makesure he was ready full time to play
in the National Hockey League Gears.So it's gonna be a long process for
Berkeley Catton. But you kind oftipped your hand on what I wanted to
get to here, Everett, andthat how much this fits in on the

(02:11:15):
grand scheme of things on the Krakenside has often said that if you want
to win in the postseason goaltending,you brought this up, you need penalty
kill as well. But I can'thelp but think how much of a strong
spine if you will, right downthe middle a great bevy of centers line
one, line two, line three, even deeper than that, and to

(02:11:35):
think what they have wind up herewith potentially Matty Venier's long term if he
stays there, Shane Wright as wellif he stays there. Now, Berkeley
Catton, that is a strong thatis a young and fresh core of centers
you have ready to attack in abouta few years altogether. Yeah, and
that's great and we should we shouldmention that when you say when we say
if they stay there, we meanif they stay at their position. I

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don't think Ron's gonna move Maddie orShane to another team. But you never
know. As players move on intheir career, maybe they go from center
to wing. Like we've seen JaredMcCann. He went from wing to center
this year. Didn't look half baddoing it. So that's that's why what
we mean by he could move,just move positions, not we're gonna trade
this player away. But you're right, I think when it comes to the

(02:12:18):
playoffs, right you you want tobe able to have that offense spread up
and down your lineup. We lookat what's what happened with the Edmonton Oilers,
right you shut down Connor McDavid forthe first handful of games and then
Leon Drivesidle's right there, Ryan andHopkins is right. There a number of
players that you look at the whatFlorida was able to do. You even
coach Shovel the fire Birds. Iwas watching them for the last two weeks

(02:12:39):
and they you could not zero in. You had John Hayden scoring five goals
in two games for the Firebirds betweenGame five of the second round and game
or of the of the third roundand then game one of the finals.
He had five goals in those twogames. Uh So you know, you
never know what you're gonna get.Is they're doing their weekly test the emergency,

(02:13:03):
we're gonna get back to the draftpick it was. It was same
from Saga. Pere did go ninthoverall, and we're expecting it to get
Berkeley Catton here on these airwaves ashe makes his rounds out in Las Vegas
coming off the draft stage from thesphere. So we're gonna get Berkeley Catton.
We're expecting him right here on theCrack and Draft Show ninety three to

(02:13:24):
three k j RFM. Here's onefun fact about Berkeley Catton that I wanted
to get to and just thinking abouthow hard it is to score and maybe
in comparison to other leagues where offensemay be a little easier to come by,
and al you saw one of theseplayers when he was in his prime
in this league. There are onlytwo other players in the last twenty four

(02:13:46):
years, repeat twenty four years totop one hundred and fifteen points out of
the w HL for draft eligible players. Those two names are Nick Batan and
Connor Bedard. Oh yeah, well, that's that's certainly something, and you
know, that's kind of that kindof skill just doesn't come around very often.

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I you know, I'm looking atthe TSN draft list here here,
I'm looking at Berkeley Catton's numbers.Fifty four goals. There isn't another player
that's in the fifties until you getdown to pull Eiserman at fifty eight.
Like of all the players that havebeen drafted so far, nobody else has
as many goals as him. Now, he's played a lot of games,
obviously being the Western Hockey League,but there have been other Western Hockey League

(02:14:30):
players and HL players taken as well. So the kid knows how to score.
Yeah, So Berkeley Canton again goingeighth overall here from the Spokane Chief
to the Seattle Crack and we're gonnaget to chatting with Berkeley Canton in just
a little bit here as we onceagain lie back at thirty two bar and
grill about near packed out place rightnow. Great to have our friends in
hockey joining us. Mike Benton everfits you al kiniski about Matty Beniers as

(02:14:54):
well. He can finally now goto his family and you know, you
know he you know, Pa,his wife and kids down the road here
and say you you know what Iwanted the exact same thing. About ten
minutes apart from Celine Dion run upon that draft station, said here you
are a world. Here's Berkeley kat. I think Selene probably should have sang
it. I would have I wouldhave loved that if she would have come

(02:15:15):
out maybe like if she would havecome in on the Titanic, maybe out
of an ice. This is Vegas, This is Vegas, right. I
mean, you have the sphere,a huge myster you're gonna go all in
and go all with I mean,listen, I mean, I'm gonna I'm
gonna give you like a ten forexecution. I think the way that she
came out was very very regal andvery very grand, but you know I

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needed more smoke. I needed more, uh ice, and and and and
and and needed something more. Howeasy was that to get Celene Dion who
announced a pick for Montreal being ofcourse it fit. But how long has
she been performing in Vegas? Oh? Yeah, long, it feels like
a decade. I heard, Iheard it's a great show as well,
a long long time. Well,Berkeley Catton, you are a Seattle Crack

(02:15:58):
in eighth overall, pick five toeleven, four left shot center. Not
many holes in this young man's game, and some maybe say size was an
issue. Defensive game work in progressthat can be coached up. But yet
the Crack and yet have one moreplayer who can be an offensive dynamo to
fit into their lineup in about roughlya couple of years, as Berkeley Catton

(02:16:20):
now picked as a part of theSeattle Cracking at eighth overall. Now we
wait until tomorrow where it gets incrediblycrazy, the Cracking with two picks in
round two and it will go likelightning. Yeah yeah, And tomorrow that's
usually when you see the moves thatare being made. The Cracking are gonna
have eight picks tomorrow. I thinkwe said two in the second two and

(02:16:43):
the third what else you got mycouple in the seventh, one and the
fourth something that I think the fifth. So but but when you're looking at
two seconds and you look at twothirds, that is where you can pick
up an NHL player today for oneor two of those picks. I'll go
back to a couple of years agowhen the Seattle Kraken traded for a Oliver

(02:17:03):
buorik Strand. They traded a fifth, and they traded a third and a
fifth to Columbus for Oliver buyorik Strand. So I mean, if you can
get a player like that who's goingto be a positive offensive producer for your
team, Listen, why wouldn't youmake that? Traine? So he had
two seconds, two thirds, afourth, a sixth, and a seventh
for tomorrow. So now my questionto you is name your timeline over undering

(02:17:28):
you think and Berkeley Catton is herein three years over or under? Uh?
Three years from now? I meanI would like to say I would
push I'll say I'll say three years. I think his his vitals, you
know, I'd love to see himput a little bit more weight on five
ten, one hundred and seventy five. If we can get that one seventy

(02:17:48):
five to one ninety five or oneeighty five. Rather you could put on
ten fifteen pounds, maybe one ninety, but I think another year junior.
He's eighteen years old, another yearjunior, so without a at nineteen,
and then he is eligible because ofthe CHL rules, he's eligible to go
to the AHL. So maybe hegoes at Ritchella Valley a year there,
and then maybe in year three hegets the Riker Evans treatment, so another

(02:18:13):
year and Junior another year full yearin the American League, and then he
gets called up halfway through the season, gets a few games here or there.
So then going into year four,maybe we're looking at him as a
permanent spott on this roster. We'regonna go ahead and take it break because
we got a very special guest waitingright around the corner here on the Crack
and Draft Show, Mike Benton everfits you, Alconiski? Who is it?

(02:18:33):
We'll get to it in just abit. Right back your life in
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Kiniski and brought to you by UpperDeck on your home for the Kraken and
the NHL Seattle Cratch which Radio ninetythree point three KJR FM. We have
just gone past and come down fromthe mountain peak of the eighth overall Pick
Berkeley Catton. You are a SeattleKracking pig date overall the Ford out of
Spokane, Washington, And without furtherado, a special guest joining us now

(02:26:48):
right now by phone from the spherein Las Vegas, the one and only
the guy who introduced a pick upon stage krackin center Matty Beanir's Maddie.
Hello, good evening, how areyou at house Las Vegas. How are
you doing. I'm good, doingjust fine. Vegas is great, Uh,

(02:27:09):
you know, obviously just finish upthe pick and you know, watching
Berkeley do some do some media andI was looking good. How much are
you going to think about maybe whenyou get older and older telling family that,
hey, I once did one thingand the thing that Selene Dion did
about ten minutes before me did theexact same thing. I know. My

(02:27:33):
I was getting a bunch of texts, uh from my family and friends.
They were all just talking about cleatd I, which you know, gratefully.
So it was super cool see upthere. It's obviously great, uh,
you know, great for the fansto see you, great for for
everyone. Honestly, it is superfun. So that's gonna be fun someday
saying that we me and her aredoing the same day at one place.
That's awesome. Hey, Maddy Everetthere man. First of all, I've

(02:27:56):
been keeping keeping tabs on you thissummer. How was Italy? Man?
You just got back from Italy nottoo long ago. How was it?
Yeah? It was great. Wentout with my family, spent about nine
days there, traveled a little bitaround the Mouffy Coast, went to dig
Florence and Naples, So you knowit was a blast, nice, nice

(02:28:18):
time to you know relax and uh, you know, take some time off
and be with the family. That'sawesome. What what what is your summer
looking like? I mean, obviously, listen, do you know the grind
of an NHL season, Having justfinished up your second so you're trying to
go as many places and see asmuch as you can and really try to
get away and recuperate and settle downas much as you can. What's the

(02:28:41):
rest of your summer looking like?What are your goals for the summer?
Yeah, I mean I think itwas you know, take that trip,
take a trip to Italy right afterthe season ended, and you know,
take the time to get away fromhockey. And then you know, kind
of after I got back, II you know, got back in the
gym and you know started skating alittle bit after that. So you know,

(02:29:05):
summers back in Boston, you know, working on skating at BU a
little bit down in South Boston,a couple of the rinks. So just
that's you know, kind of abig focus this summer. Continue to get
bigger and stronger, uh, continueto work on my hands, my shot,
my hockey sense. So you know, I I you know, it's
definitely an important summer and and youknow I've been treating it like that.

(02:29:26):
So, uh, you know,when when September rolls around, I'll be
I'll be definitely excited to get backto Seattle and ready to go Maddie out
here. How's the draft compared toyour experience just a few years ago?
What's changed? What's the same work. What's it like being up on stage
and uh, you know, notbeing handled a jersey and calling out a
name instead. Yeah, definitely alittle different than my draft, but you

(02:29:50):
know, it's it's it's super cool. It's unique having it here in the
spirit a great event, great forthe fans, great for for the guys
getting drafted. H So, Ithink that's awesome. You know, definitely
different from from mine over Zoom,but you know, I think we all
still really appreciated the day. It'smore about the day and you know,

(02:30:11):
finding which team you're going to anduh, you know, obviously being super
appreciated to your family and whoever gotto that point and the team that pitch
you. So I think that's thebiggest thing about about this day and why
it's so special. Matt did youhave a chance to talk to Berkeley after
the announcement when you guys came downoff the stage, and if so,
can you share what you talked aboutwhat you said to him? Not not

(02:30:35):
not a whole lot, you know, just congrafts and super excited to have
you getting we're getting shuffled off leftand the right going made him him,
especially me a little bit. So, uh, you know it's his day
and uh, you know he's deservingand all. So it's awesome. It
is a roll win environment. IsMatty been here is going right now on

(02:30:56):
with us as the cracking again selectingeighth overall, take Berkeley Catton out of
w HL spoke in Maddy hate Mikehere, and I know that Berkeley Catton's
got a lot going through his headright now. I mean, if you
think about your first summer before gettinginto this league full time, what would
you tell your younger self about whatto expect and how to handle it.

(02:31:20):
Yeah, I think, you know, he seems like a really good kid.
He seemed like you worked really hardto get to this point. I
think the biggest advice is just don'tchange a thing, you know, continue
to work hard, continue to havethat little chip on your shoulder, continue
to you know, keep grinding likeyou do. So I think that's the
biggest thing to take away. Youknow, you obviously get drafted, but
that's you know, that's just thestart of a long journey. And uh,

(02:31:43):
you know, I think he's gonna, you know, have a long,
hopefully long NHL career, and youknow this is just the start of
it. You know, you hada little bit of an insight as Everett
asked this question about what your goalsare and how you're working more toward all
of this. But I mean,off the bat immediately, what excite I
think for the change of philosophy,you know, for the amount that's coming

(02:32:05):
in here with Dan Bilesman and howmuch he can help you and this group
as well this next season. Uhyeah, I mean we're obviously super excited
to have Dan uh here with usnext year. You know, I think
he's he's definitely proven himself uh inPittsburg and then his last you know,
endeavor at the NHL, and thenobviously with Coachelli's she's had too hell of

(02:32:28):
runs, you know, last yearin this year as well, So you
know, he's a he's a reallygood man and uh, you know,
I'm just excited to get started withhim. You know you mentioned Dan.
I mean obviously that was probably thefirst big move of the summer for Seattle.
Have you had a chance to talkuh to coach Bilsma yet? I
mean, how excited are you?What are you looking forward to about now

(02:32:50):
playing for your second coach here inSeattle. Uh? Yeah, We've gotten
to chat a little bit today.Actually I haven't seen him before that obviously
he was still in playoffs, yeah, with with Coachella, So I got
to chat a little bit today,not not too much about hockey, more
just about you know, lifestuff,how the summer is going, catching up.

(02:33:11):
So uh, we've we've been ableto chat and training camps for the
last few seasons as well, Soyou know, I'm I'm excited to you
know, see how it is youknow coming up. But I'm I'm very
excited and I think it's gonna begreat. What do you want to see
out of yourself? Uh? Andyou're in you're now junior season, your
third year in the NHL. Whatgoals have you set for yourself personally moving

(02:33:33):
through twenty four to twenty five.You know, I think for me it's
you know again, but the team, i'd say, you know, making
meging playoffs. Uh, you know, I don't think anyone was happy at
all about how we were where wewere at last year. Uh So I
think, you know, personally,I've been you know, taking that,

(02:33:54):
taking that to heart. I thinka lot of guys in our team do
as well, and going to thesummer with that that I've seen that ship
ready to work as that if youcan and get back to the playoffs.
So you know, that's the endgoal. However you get there, we're
gonna do it. So there's alwaysa possibility, Mattie, you could be
seeing more teammates coming up here fromthe AHL that made another deep playoff run
in Coachella Valley. First off,how much were you able to watch or

(02:34:16):
keep up and follow their tripping tothe Calder Cup final once again. Uh?
Yeah, I was able to pull, you know, get them out,
either through Twitter or watching some games. Obviously we had a lot of
guys called up and played with alot of them, and you know they're
all, uh, fantastic guys andhuman beings, So you know that makes
you obviously reform even more, wantingthem to you know, bring home the

(02:34:39):
Calder Cups. So I know itwas unfortunate then, but but that team
is, uh, you know,a really really great team and with a
lot of really great hockey players andpeople, so you know, I'm going
to see that happen. But itwas it was fun to watch them and
support them throughout the h throughout theplayoffs. How much were you able to
get a glimpse of what Shane Rightdid being called up late last season Mugan

(02:35:01):
Morris and Ryan Winterton to understand howmuch of an impact that they can make
with you and others in this dressingroom this next season. Yeah, you
know, I think that they've youknow, done a good job developing you
know obviously before pro and then especiallyin in the HL doing really well.

(02:35:22):
And then obviously when they came up, they immediate impact in the first you
know, five or six nine gamesthey played. So you know, they're
both really really smart players, reallyresponsible players, and they both can provide
a lot offense for us. Soit'll be exciting to you know, see
them and play with them. Well, exciting times here Maddie, thank you
so much for jumping on with usbefore it lets you go. One more

(02:35:45):
question. What was the best partabout Italy going out there for vacation.
I don't know, it's a lotof fun. I want wine, the
food and the wine, I'll answerfor you. Definitely, the food.
A lot to save. We'll letyou go, Maddie, thank you so
much. In future. Yeah,all right, thank you so much.

(02:36:09):
Ask Matty Bean here is joining usonce again by foham. Moments after getting
off the stage and announcing Berkeley Cattonas eighth overall, Maddy bean heirs a
been part of this team's future aswell. Yes, you can take that
all the way for the rest ofhis life. Ten minutes apart from Celine.
No, but listen, I mean, I think for for Maddie,

(02:36:31):
I'm excited to see the role thathe's gonna now take. Is obviously not
a veteran in the NHL, butI mean he is the first pick this
team ever made. This is nowgoing to be his third season in the
NHL. With all of the veteranplayers who may come in here, who
have been around the league for awhile, they may not know Seattle right,
so I'm excited to see Maddie takethat next step from an all nice

(02:36:54):
leader. We've seen what he's beenable to do offensively, We're starting to
see a lot of those leadership qualuh start to come through. I think
this is gonna be a big yearfor him. Yeah, you know,
it's it's funny the psychological effect ofplaying a few seasons in the NHL.
He referred to Berkeley as a kidkid. You know who's who's three years
younger than kids. It's not it'snot about age as much as it is

(02:37:22):
it that that that the league ageis. Yet you know, you spend
some time up here, you feellike, you know, you know your
way around as he does. Andnow you've got a youngster that's just been
drafted and and you naturally feel likePapa Barrel a little bit. You've got
to show him the ways. Andthat's why that's where my question came from.
Obviously, he's got lots of conversationsto have with them, but part
of his role in the coming yearswill be to to mentor him a little

(02:37:43):
bit. What what role do youdo You think it is the responsibility of
the maddis the Shanes even you know, the everlyes, the players who have
either been drafted high been in theleague for a while. How much responsibility
do you put on those type ofplayers to help bring these kids along.
Well, I would say ideally youput a significant amount of responsibility, but

(02:38:07):
it really comes down to the cultureof the locker room, of the dressing
room, because you want those thingshappening. But if it's a very competitive
locker room and you're looking at aguy who could take away your job,
you're not saying anything. So Ihope it's it's the ladder, you know,
or the former not the ladder,but remains to be seen. Berkeley
Catton is well on his way.Eighth overall, big thanks once again to

(02:38:30):
Matty Eveniers for jumping on with usand promptu over the phone. We got
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(02:45:52):
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(02:46:13):
up your time in Coachella Valley,and I think the transition from this into
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But Monday night was difficult obviously withthe loss and coming so close and
not winning. I didn't didn't.Let's just say we saw the sun come
up and Hershey on Tuesday and wehad to we we had to stay at
an extra day in Hershey, couldn'tget a play back home till till Wednesday.

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So Wednesday evening we got back homeand I is my house is in
the middle of getting packed up andput on the moving truck and packed up
the office and and said goodbye andexit meetings with the players, and then
got on a plane Thursday around noonand headed up to at Las Vegas for

(02:47:16):
the draft. So it's been abit of a whirlwind, but uh,
you know, maybe a little bitto turn the page and look forward to
Seattle here and get to see ourfirst pick. Today, we're pretty excited
about you know what. We whowe got in the with the eighth pick,
and it's just it's the sign ofexciting times ahead. Hey, Dan

(02:47:39):
Everett here, First of all,go Falcons. Great talking to you again.
But I know that obviously, likeyou just, I know, this
is a difficult time, and Iknow this is kind of where you have
to compartmentalize a lot of things.But for you now, being at the
draft, coming to Seattle for developmentcamp next week, are going to be

(02:48:00):
your goals today tomorrow for the draftand then going into next week? What
are you trying to accomplish? Whatroles are you going to play when it
comes to free agency, when itcomes to drafting, or are you just
focused on the ice? I knowthere's a lot happening right now. What
are you focusing on now over thesenext three six seven days of your life?

(02:48:24):
Well, it's a lot, Iguess, a lot. As you
mentioned, you mentioned a lot there, and really you know, over the
course of the last two weeks,there's been some breaks in our schedule.
We had sixteen days in between.We were sixteen days on the road and
yeah, seven of them in Hershey, waiting for the finals to start.

(02:48:45):
So had some conversations with some coachesand some staff members and trying to trying
to get the right guys to uhfor the staff there in Seattle. So
that will you know, come toFruition hopefully this this week at some point
in time, and also getting toSeattle for development camp. It's hopefully a

(02:49:11):
time for get together as a staffand Dave Lowry and Debrier and and potentially
some some new two new people comingin for that. So get together the
staff and really kind of plan lookforward and plan out, plan out next
year, plan out what the expectationsare for the group and the guys for

(02:49:33):
us as staff members. And theyhave and free agency is right there as
well, and that's certainly I talkedaround a little bit about what that is
and what the Crack and are lookingat and what our possibilities, but that's
really been on Ron and his staffand and that's going to be happening next
week as well. So and notto mention the future of the Crack and

(02:49:58):
the development crew and getting in thedraft picks that we get the nine draft
picks we get this year and someof the guys that are already in the
system and the circus circus and thengo ahead and having those guys come in
and really kind of establish you knowwhat what the expectations are for Cracking players

(02:50:18):
and how we play and and howwe work and and that's all happened the
next week too, So I readyand willing and able to participate in that
with those guys through next week.Dan al Kiniski here, we have not
had a chance to meet yet,but I am the third leg of the
Crack and radio broadcast. Congratulations onyour success this season. Obviously it was

(02:50:45):
disappointing that we don't have to gointo that, but looking forward to meeting
you in person. My question foryou is as far as the number eight
pick in Berkeley Catton, what doyou like about him as a player,
What do you like about his game? What are you looking forward to seeing
in him down the road? Fiftygoals? Yeah, you know that's upset,

(02:51:05):
but that's what that's what I like. Uh, you know, I
he's a young man right now,eighteen years old, but with a lot
of scoring upside, a lot ofpotential. And they say fifty goals at
eighteen years old, it's is that'sset in a high bar and and just

(02:51:28):
that is this league dynamic and andyou know, the games all about scoring
and we need to score more goalsand and you know this, so that's
why, that's why we were prettyexcited. You know as draft went down
through one through seven, we're youknow, had our eyes on on Berkeley

(02:51:50):
the whole time and and just uh, it's it's it's a super exciting moment
to have the draft work that wayand the guy that you you want is
hire and see what he's good at. He falls in your spot and you
get him, and so we're justjust it's it's a future excitement, but
it's a it's a good one tonto be excited about here and can't thank

(02:52:11):
you enough for joining us. Dan. One last thing before we go here
to end things in Coachell Valley.Shane Wright, Ryan Winterton, what have
they proved as far as getting closerand closer to securing an NHL job based
on what you saw back in thepostseason, Well, they I think you

(02:52:31):
know, Shane uh dealt with aninjury for the semi final round, which
we got through, but got backin the finals and really picked up where
he had left off. And inthe first part of the playoffs, and
you know, a three point gameagainst Calgary and and and on a line

(02:52:52):
with Ryan Winterton. They were providinga lot of scoring and a lot of
a lot of a lot of goalsand points for us and winning those hot
games, and it was the finalswas no different. We saw electric dynamic
play from Shane scoring a goal comingdown the way and cutting the middle and
going top shelf. It's one ofthose one of those moments that everybody in

(02:53:13):
the building is like, you know, there it is, you know there
it is. It's a it's dynamic, it's awesome. And Ryan Winterton,
he's you know, especially his finals, the last six games, six goals
and the finals and two and twoin the final game right you know,
right there, and he was narrowlyclose to getting one in overtime in the

(02:53:35):
same fashion, just being at thenet and it's going a goal from us
and that's just an exciting it's anexciting thing for the Crackings future and exciting
thing for the young man's future aswell. Well. You were up close
to watch it, to guide it, to see it, and a lot
to be excited about here moving ahead. Can't thank you enough, Dan,
you got a lot going on yourplate right now. Planes, trains,

(02:53:56):
automobiles, moving trucks. Get backafter it thank you so much. We'll
stay here very soon, all right. We'll see in a few days,
all right, appreciate it. Danbilesm the crack ahead coach joining us.
He'll be around here at development camp. What a schedule he's got, My
goodness, you can hear the tirednessof his voice. Well, and I
felt so bad because I was inHershey on Monday when they lost, and

(02:54:18):
I actually I had to ask himthe difficult questions. You saw the emotion,
you saw the raw ness, therealness on his face. I had
to ask. I was the onewho asked him those questions. I still
feel mad about it, but Imean he's right. I mean it's it's
hard, it's tough. You cansee the passion. And listen the two

(02:54:39):
weeks that I was down there,not once did Dan talk about Seattle.
Not once did he talk about howexcited he was to be in Seattle.
Not once did he say can't waitto see what McCann and every and all.
He's focusing on his team right thenand there he was. He cared,
he was obviously invested. But youcan tell when they didn't win the
Calder Cup there, it hurt.It hurt a lot, and you can

(02:55:03):
really genuinely sense that. So it'sgonna be And I feel bad for him
because it's going to be difficult forhim to now have to compartmentalize. A
week ago, you lose your secondconsecutive Calder Cup. Oh, by the
way, I have to move mywife and my family up here to Seattle.
Oh by the way, I'm atthe draft. Hey we're getting new
players on Monday. Oh hey,it's this development camp and I still haven't

(02:55:24):
had time to fully process this scalein August exactly right. So that's the
great thing about the Hockey World Julyfifteenth. Everybody goes to their cabin,
they go to their leak, theygo to their golf course, and we'll
see you again on Labor Days.So unlike any other sport, hockey they
shut the lights off for about sixweeks. And hopefully he's gonna have some

(02:55:45):
time to do that, I hope. So. Well, we have more
to cover as far as the crackand their eighth overall pick. Berkeley Catton
is your guy out of WHL Spoke, and we're expecting to hear from Berkeley
Catton at some point this next hour. Also, our man John Forrest Lynn
Maestro from the TV side. He'llalso be joining us by phone not too
far away from here, and wehave a lot more to break down,

(02:56:07):
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Now back to the twenty twenty fourKraken NHL Draft Show with Mike Benton
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Vegas to No One's shot in surprise, Maclan Celebrini going first overall of the
San Jose Sharks, RTM Leshanov secondoverall to Chicago. After that, a

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few wows mixed in between, andeventually the Kraken, as maybe Dan Bilesma
hinted to us a player they hadtheir eyes on for a long time,
Berkeley Catton, out of the SpokaneChiefs the Western Hockey League, the newest
member of the Seattle Crack and Pipeline, picked at eighth overall. As he
is right now going through his mediaduty still back in Las Vegas, and

(03:04:35):
we're expecting Berkeley Catton to join ushere later on this evening by phone.
But I thought that was pretty interestingDan Bilesman giving us a bit of a
hint that yeah, you can lookat defenseman, but when you got a
player nearly in your own backyard lightingup the way that Berkeley Catton has,
that was way too good to passup. At one hundred and sixteen points,
I think we said he had theSpokane this year, got bat It's

(03:04:58):
a quote al Koniski. We don'tdo that by so and listen. I
also too, I think that's that'sa good pick for a number of reasons.
But I'm hoping, and I thinka lot of Kraken fans here at
thirty two and a lot of folkslistening right now, are hoping that this
is Seattle's last lottery pick. Thisis their last top ten pick, yeh,

(03:05:18):
for fifteen years. Hopefully this teamis on their way to a good
you know, a bunch of playoffruns and hopefully a cup in there,
a trip to a final in there. But hopefully this team's not picking in
the top eight so anymore for awhile. So you needed this pick to
be a home run. You neededthis pick to set yourself up for the
future. We talk so much fromthis in this organization, about the future,

(03:05:41):
about the kids who's coming up.We've seen Shane Riant, and we've
seen Ryan Winterton, Logan Morris andRacket Rabits. We can go on about
Jaga Fergus and David Goyette and timenow sending YadA YadA, YadA, yad
YadA. You need to have agood, strong pipeline, and the Kraken
do have that right now. Yeah, you're adding another piece of pipeline right
now. I went on a onGreg Bell's show this morning and he was

(03:06:03):
asking me about what a successful draftwould look like. And I think with
nine picks in the draft, personally, I would like to see the Krack
and maybe not come home with ninebodies, maybe parlay some of those picks
into you know, players in theNHL now, but definitely with five picks
in your first eighty eight, ifyou can hit on three of those picks

(03:06:26):
for the next ten twelve years plus, I would consider this draft of success.
And like we said, hopefully we'renot sitting here talking about the Crack
and picking in the top ten orI guess the top sixteen for a very
long time because we're looking at playoffruns. Yeah, you know, thinking
about Berkeley Catton a little bit,doing some comparisons as well. He's a

(03:06:48):
left shot center, as we saidfive ten, one seventy five. We
know he's going to put on weightbetween now and when you actually see him,
yeh in a crack in Jersey.But you know who was also a
left handed center in one eighty five, Jayden Schwartz. Yeah, and people
forget that Jayden Schwartz can play center. He's played center for he's been a
winger here, he's been used onface offs. Said that he's actually a

(03:07:11):
pretty damn good center. Yeah.Yeah. My point is is that you
know, he doesn't have to puton thirty pounds. You know, he
doesn't even have to grow anymore.He can play it at those numbers plus
or minus another five or ten pounds. But you know, that's that's probably
the kind of a player he's lookingto be when he comes here. See.
I also can't help but think ofhow valuable that a part of Berkeley

(03:07:31):
Catton's game can fit in for whatthe Crack can need down the road.
And friends, hey give it tous right now, four nine, four
or five one on the talmore,dude, text line text us, what's
your expectation of when Berkeley Catton couldbe here two years? Three years?
Is it? Maybe after just oneyear? But you give it to us
right now? Four nine, fouror five one? How soon do you
want to see Berkeley Catton here inSeattle as a full time member of the

(03:07:54):
Kraken. But back to his attributeand why I think is not being talked
about enough from a well, there'sa skill, there's the IQ, there's
a lack of size that he makesup for it. But also in that
same vein, he's not afraid toget into the inside and play in the
trenches. How valuable can that be? Well, another player that doesn't is

(03:08:16):
it afraid to do that? JamesSchwartz. Yeah, I don't know.
If you remember he came back frominjury this year and his first five or
six games, more so than Iremember seeing his first couple of years,
he was in front of the net, he was blocking shots, he was
taking sticks and pucks and all ofthat. So I mean that's gonna be
important. And like I said too, Dan Blasma, from from what we've

(03:08:37):
seen, from what we've heard,he loves offense. What coach doesn't love
offense. He wants to score,he wants to generate, he wants to
be a fast team. But alsohe's not afraid to send guys to the
front of the net. And Ithink this could be a player potentially that
will fit the style of coaching thatDan Biosma has. Yeah, and you
know what, also a Saskatchewan kidas well, like Schwartz. Yes,

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so the crack after Jaydon Swart toshow here to this saving and what you're
saying, how many kilometers ten miles? Okay, as Berkeley Catton been to
the hometown of Jayden Schwartz. That'sthe that's the ess we're all dying to
know. Here At this point,we're gonna get back to some more questions

(03:09:18):
here again four nine, four orfive one via the total more Dude text
line. And again I want tohear from you right now, friends text
us four nine, four or fiveone. How long until you think Berkeley
Catton is here in Seattle? Isit one year, two years, three
years, four years? Texas?Right now? Four nine, four or
five one? Also, what areyour expectations here for him? Maybe again
four nine, four or five one? We get one here from the two

(03:09:39):
five three saying do you see thekrackend getting bigger on the back end and
perhaps finding somebody who is more aptto drop the gloves as it were.
You know what I I listen.I always love a little bit of grit
and sandpaper. I know, Iknow the big man in my right does
as well, and I planned fora team that preached that exactly exactly.

(03:10:01):
You can't teach size. You're nevergoing to go wrong with size a little
bit of grit. But I thinkthe way that the NHL is going,
we're not trying to get fighting outof the game, but there has been
a bit more of a lean towardoffense. You know, I think goals
have gone up by about two goalscombined per game over the last four to

(03:10:22):
five years. So the toughness isstill needed, but you're not seeing a
lot of those tough guys. Orif you're a tough guy, then you
better be able to score as well. You know who's the kid in New
York that played for the Tea Birds, Matt Repey. Right, Yeah,
there aren't too many Matt Rempe's outthere, right. I called Matt Rempy's
first WHL goal and it was scaryto see him go down against kids at

(03:10:46):
that age. There aren't too manyof those in the game anymore, so,
but I do think, especially defensively, you do need some grit back
there. I think more so becauseyou have to protect those forwards, right,
So I would hope that on RonFrancis's radar is a desman who can
come in, maybe put up twentythirty points for you, but can also
protect the Matt Eveaneers. Listen,Matt Eveniers. You know this year he

(03:11:07):
was getting tattooed pretty good along theboards and losing a lot of those board
battles, and I think you needsomeone out there to help protect Matty Veneers,
to help Shane Wright other guys whowere gonna come up. So I
would love to see Seattle go outand get a little bit more grit and
sand paper defensively. Michael was thename of the person that asked the question.
Uh we get this sometimes from names, sometimes just from numbers. Well,

(03:11:31):
it was a various stuid questions,So thank you for submitting to this
your spot on and I think youhave for there you go the two five,
three, Very smart, very still, I think you have to remember
Bill, there's a difference between Mattrempi yea and a tough team. When
you look at the Cup winners overthe last six years, obviously the Florida

(03:11:52):
Panthers. I've liked them all yearlong. I like their grit, I
like their sand paper, I liketheir toughness. It's hard to play that
way. But and you look atthe Vegas Golden Knights played very similar to
Florida when they won the Cup.Uh you look at even the Capitals.
Yeah you got a Vechkin, butyeah, Tom Wilson, Yeah, you
know so. But Tom Wilson isa guy that can put up eighty points

(03:12:15):
for it. It's seventy points forit and then also two hundred pimps.
And that's why, and that's whyI'm saying you got to separate the the
guy that's gonna go out and havethree fights every game versus the tough team
that's not afraid to fight if theywant to, or they'll score if they
have to. But they can playboth ways. See here's where I see
how size helps out. And it'snot just for the regular season. But
it's often said that when you getinto the playoffs, the game regresses by

(03:12:39):
about five years as far as howit applies and embraces physicality. So maybe
what was standard is not so muchstandard now. But you go back and
think of how physical games were backfive years ago. That's where the kind
of game applies as far as physicalityversus like, say, well back when
you know the Los Angeles Kings andDarryl Sutter ran and they wanted to pound

(03:13:01):
teams out of the building. Thatwas five years prior also, and it
worked for them well. And especiallyplayoff hockey too. This league goes from
a four to three league to athree to two league overnight. I mean
you're not seeing five, six,seven goals put up anymore. You're seeing
two to one overtime wins, threeto two overtime wins, three to one
empty net wins, and playoffs,so and also two A lot of times
that's where depth becomes important because inthe playoffs you're gonna zero in on those

(03:13:26):
top players. And a lot oftimes, maybe not so in a recent
history, but I remember growing upwatching those old Red Wings Cup runs in
the late nineties. The third andfourth lines won those Cups for the Red
Wings. It was the grind line, it was McCarty, it was Cooser,
it was a Draper. You know, defensively, those bottom six and
those bottom four defensemen, those arethe players that if you can get contributions

(03:13:46):
from them, they're ultimately gonna bethe ones that you look back and say,
Man, without X, y Zand our bottom six, I don't
know if we would have won thatcup. Well, our own GM Ron
Francis just played in Pittsburgh as asecond line, second liner, took the
focus away from the first line up, but they could score as well.
Yeah, And so they'd play teamsthat would have their quote unquote checking line.
They didn't know who to put themout again, Yeah, exactly.

(03:14:07):
And when you've got that, you'vereally got an asset. So we get
one here from the four to twofive asking comparing Berkeley Catton and Shane Wright
situations, how right moved up tothe pros. Would it be similar here
for Berkeley Catton. I don't thinkso, simply because I think Shane Wright
was a little bit more skilled,a little bit more ready early on.

(03:14:31):
I think there was all the hypethat went along with him. Early there
there was, I mean, itwas the Shane Wright Draft, and I
think every player in the top fivethat year, top six that year they
have played in the NHL at somecapacity. So I don't know if I
would go as high as the ShaneWright comparison, But listen, there are
some similarities there, I think sizewise. Obviously there's a similarity there.

(03:14:54):
Offensive acumen one hundred and sixteen points. You don't do that by a mistake
position as well. So I dothink though with Shane Wright, with Matt
Evaniers, the question at the questionhas to be asked, where does he
fit in it? Does he staycenter? Do we see him move?
Do we see someone else move?And we see this in baseball all the
time. How many times do wesee someone drafted as a shortstop who ends

(03:15:16):
up as an outfielder? Analysis he'sversatile in positions exactly? That makes you
more valuable because right now, Idon't know if you have. I mean,
based off of the way the NHLis now, there really is no
one, two, three, fourlines. I mean the most most teams
can get offense from up and downtheir lineup. It's not positionless. It's
like roll less hockey. But butdo you want to see an eighth overall

(03:15:39):
pick as your third line center?Right? I feel like this this guy
at Berkeley is going to be projectedas a top six player. Well,
if Shane and Maddie are, you'regonna be your top two centers where you're
gonna put up right. So Ithink that's going to be the biggest question
for Berkeley Katton in the comparison.Where does he fit in the lineup?
Whose spot does he take or whodoes he replace? In three or four

(03:16:01):
years, when we the Crack canlose someone to free agency or trade someone
away. Now it's time for BerkeleyCatton to step into the lineup. Where
does he fit in that line up? Yeah, And I think that's part
of the development over the next fewyears. It's putting him in situations where
they do try him on the wingand see how he does. So it's
not a surprise if he has toplay that that role once he gets to

(03:16:22):
the NHL. That's all part ofthe development. Everybody thinks, well,
it's about the office, it's aboutit's about scoring more goals. No,
it's also about learn how to beversatile. Yet getting toward the bottom of
the hour, here we're expecting JohnForestland Cracking TV played by play voice to
be joining us here by phone.Chance for one more question. For now,
but again friends keep him coming fournine, four or five to one
on the tellmore dude text line.All reactions here to Berkeley Catton going as

(03:16:45):
an eighth overall pick. You happyabout this? The cracking going for kind
of the best player available by skill, not so much a position need,
but going with Berkeley Catton again fournine, four five one, but we
get one for the two five tothree from Dan saying do we have enough
cap room and draft assets to geta couple of ready made stars? We
essentially need a big name free agent. Well, listen, I mean I

(03:17:07):
was going into the draft looking foruh McDavid for the number eight overall pick,
straight up, one for one.Yes, someone called me crazy whatever,
So maybe you also wanted to winthe lottery. But yeah, right,
shoot your shot, right Yeah,no, listen, I think that's
a great question. That that's themillion dollar question what we're looking for this

(03:17:30):
summer. But I mean, theassets are there, the draft, the
the the money is there. Sothe Kraken have got twenty three million dollars
to play with free agency this summer. You look at the RFAs mainly Matt
Ebineers and Ellie tolven In I'm goingto guess we take away half of that,
right, So now you're looking ateleven or twelve million to play with.

(03:17:52):
Do you want to go two fourand a half players and then maybe
use that other two or three millionbucks for some bottom six guys i'lla bell
part shad a Tanev like guy forless money. Or do you want to
go for the big eight by eightGo out and find the big fish,
Sign that eight by eight guy,that eight by nine guy, and hope
that he continues to have the successthat he has. But I'm always I

(03:18:15):
would love to have more players.I would rather those two four to five
million dollar players as opposed to thatone eight nine million dollar player and having
all the pressure being put on him. Well, renieve's a little bit of
pressure because if you've got those twofour million dollar players that are let's just
call them twenty goal players, twentygoal plus players, one of them goes
down, you've still got the otherone, yes, But you've got that

(03:18:37):
forty to fifty goal player that's theeight million guy. He goes down,
you don't have anything. So I'mwith you. I like spreading that money
out a little bit. And Ithink too you know the needs of this
team offensively. This Kraken team hashad issue scoring goals this year. We
all knew that. Two years ago. It was all done by committee.
The depth of this team was itsstrong point. But now I think you're

(03:19:01):
getting into a world where the Krakenhave to find a top thirty, top
forty offensive player in the NHL,a consistent twenty twenty five goals, a
consistent thirty assists every single year.You're gonna have off years every now and
again. But if you look ata player over the last five six seven

(03:19:22):
years, for those six years,five of those seven years, he better
have twenty five plus goals thirty thirtyfive plus assists. Another way to look
at it, too, is thatthe majority of your top six guys would
be top six guys on the majorityof other teams in the NHL. You're
not going to crack Edmonton's top six. You're not going to crack some teams.
But if you look at twenty fiveteams in the NHL, you have

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to be able to say, Yep, this player is going to be on
a top six forward group. Twentyfive out of thirty two times we have
been cranking since three o'clock today,and we got more in the tank,
especially when we know there's John Forestlandalso right around the corner. Yet we
just hit the gas. We shouldhave given him the lawn segment. We
SI we're gonna break a little earlyso we can get Johnny and Alfy on

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Mike Benton, ever it fits you, al Kiniski here from thirty two
Bar and Grill. We know who'snext here in the Cracking pipeline. At
is Berkeley Catton out of the SpokaneChiefs at eighth Overall, we also know
who is next on the phone,and yet we're into our four of this

(03:27:54):
show. But we got more gasin the tank because this guy's got plenty
of fuel for us. Here.Hey, it's John Lyn joining us by
phone. John, How you doing? How are you great? To be
with all three of you, guys. This is fantastic to hear your voice
once again, my man. Firstoff, this off the one person that

(03:28:15):
knows you've called, the one personthat knows absolutely nothing about this. We'll
spoonfeed you. Hey, John,I want you to break down this pick
from an offensive standpoint. What doyou think? Yeah, okay, Al
John? How's life on the EastCoast? We miss you? I miss
you guys too. Life is good. I've been off for almost three weeks

(03:28:39):
now, so just getting my feeton the ground again. It's good.
Hockey season will be here before weknow it, and we're enjoying at least
a little bit of a dip backinto the water here for all the action.
But I mean, just as abaseline for the eighth overall pick,
I mean the crack and take BerkeleyCatton one hundred and fifteen points in the
Western Hockey League. I mean yourinitial reaction to where this kind of fits

(03:29:00):
into the Grand pix or and thegrand scheme up beings down the road.
What do you think, well,I mean, when you're in the top
ten, I mean you're just lookingat the best at whatever this player can
do, and aside from you know, just looking at his background and his
numbers. It's all about skill.He appears to be, you know,
a little bit undersize, but that'sokay in today's game because you look at

(03:29:24):
his point production, you look athis makeup, you look at the geography
of the whole thing. It's agreat pick for the Crack and it's good.
And again, the position of theplayer I don't think comes into play
too much when you're in the topten, so you're taking the best player
that you think can Phil avoid andthere's no question there's a lot of boxes
that need to be checked still withthe Crack, and when you look at

(03:29:46):
scoring and defense, wherever that bestplayer is. I know that's a cliche,
but that really is what this isall about. Well, you know,
Johnny, we actually we talked aboutthat earlier about in the NHL particular,
it usually outside of the top oneor two picks, it's about best
available. You don't know where thiskid's gonna be three four years down the

(03:30:07):
road, but looking at the immediatefuture, we all know about the needs
of the Crack in this summer,what they're trying to do, what they
want to do. You know,what do you think is of the utmost
importance for this team moving into thesummer, well, I you know,
I think it's scoring. I mean, I mean, it's it's obvious when
you take a dip like the teamdid in your number three and you're you're

(03:30:30):
hovering around twenty eighth in terms ofscoring, you need to replenish that at
the NHL level. But in orderto push that aspect, you need to
replenish that throughout the organization. Andthere's a boatload of kids who are going
to fill that void. Right,They're not all going to hit. But
when you have that and you haveplayers who can play that way and make

(03:30:52):
each other better wherever that is,at some point it's going to matriculate to
the NHL and then you're on toit. So whoever it is, you
know, feel free to step forwardbecause there's an organizational need in terms of
scoring, and there's a there's agenerational shift that's coming soon. It's great
that the krack and are working off, you know, predominantly that first roster,

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but in the next couple of yearsthat's going to change. And I
think this season we're going to seea change and we're going to see some
new blood come in and that's goingto be a byproduct of the first three
drafts. And the time is nowand that's a good thing. So it's
an exciting time. It's an excitingtime. And you look at you look
at this player with one hundred andsixteen points last year. You know,

(03:31:37):
it doesn't matter what league you're in. When you're in triple figures like that,
it's all good. John. Youknow, the Berkeley's a centerment obviously,
he's he's drafted eighth overall. Youassume that he's going to want to
play center, especially with putting pointsup like that. How important is it
We were just talking about this,but I'd love to get your take.
How important is it that he becomesversatile in that kind of like McCann did

(03:32:01):
last season, where if you gotto play wing, you got to figure
out how to do as well orjust about as well on the wing.
Does he need to develop that ordo you think that down the road there
might have to be a change inthose top two lines for a kid like
Berkeley to come in and play center. Well, well, you know,
it's a great question. I think, as you know, you know,
if you're talking about forwards, ifyou can play center, you can probably

(03:32:24):
play anywhere. You know, itdepends, you know, on the player.
If he can play his offside.You know, if you can move
as a left shot and play onthe right side. That that's not always
a given at the NHL level.But if you're a centerman and you're drafted
that way in your natural center,you can go back to it. You
can play that way. You canstart on the wall. I look back

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at Carolina and a player that Ronniedrafted in twenty fifteen in Sebastianajo. You
know, it took Rod Brindimore along time to accept the fact that he
was a center. Even though hewas drafted as a center. He broke
in on the wall, he brokein as a left wing. And there
were some conversations when Rod was anassistant coach and when he became a head

(03:33:07):
coach, he was the last guyto accept this guy as a center.
And look where he is now.Okay, So it's not an easy process,
but you know, it's it's likea shortstop, you know, in
baseball, when they draft a shortstop, most of the scouts recognize, you
know, he might not play shortstop, but we can play him somewhere else.

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You're not moving, you know,the necessarily the catcher to short you're
playing the shortstop anywhere, even onthe mound. So you know, that's
kind of the same thing. Tomake a comparison in our sport, the
same thing with the center. Centersare pretty versatile because they have not only
the skill and the speed, butthe IQ to play down the middle and

(03:33:50):
have all those defensive aspects in place. And sometimes they have to get better
because it's harder in the National HockeyLeague, But if you're playing the middle
of the ice, you know,you have to know all three zones,
there's no doubt. So with theassumption that Berkeley Captain will go back to
the Spokane Chiefs next season and playas a nineteen year old, do you
think Ron and Dan nudge the coachingstaff there and say, hey, let's

(03:34:13):
let's try him at wing for somegames and see how he does and try
and create that versatility early and often, Yeah, you know, I think
so. And I think you haveto have cooperation at the junior level too,
and that's not always easy because thatcoach is trying to win, and
that coach is going to put theplayer in the position to win and that's
the bottom line, and that's fair, right, But I think you know

(03:34:35):
that might happen once he gets tothe American League, you know, once
he's lucky enough to turn pro andplay there. And you know, I
think we're also seeing a time thathas come now where they're trying to the
Kraken are trying to do things theright way with their prospects, and the
only way to do this is togive them a chance to play in the

(03:34:56):
American Hockey League. And now we'restarting to see it, right. You
look at the way the boys playedagain this year, you look at what
they did in the Calder Cup playoffs, and if if it's Ryan Winterton or
if it's Shane right or whoever itis, you know they're going to have
a body of work in back ofthem to propel them into the National Hockey
League. And our fans have toremember that. It's hard sometimes because everybody's

(03:35:20):
trying to get to the prize rightaway, but it's best for the player
if they can do that. Andcertainly, if you if you have you
know, a boatload of players atone position and you've got a player like
this who can be versatile and playthe wings and he can get to the
league quicker, you know, goodfor him and good for us. Right,
So that's that's what you're looking at. The gold mine of insight that

(03:35:43):
is from TV play by play voiceJohn Forsland joining us right now over the
phone of the Crack and again pickingBerkeley, catting up in the eighth overall
spot for the NHL Entry drafts.So once this is all done, Johnny
on, we go to the hotstove season of this not too far away.
I mean, first off, doesthe talk of free agency or the
trade market intrigue you? More baseon what the Crack and have and what

(03:36:05):
they could be playing with here inabout a few days, Well, you
know, I think they can takea nice dip in the free agency.
That'll be interesting to look at.And it's quite obvious because as we spoke
at the end of the season,nothing has changed. You know, you're
looking for help down the middle,and if you can get a one see
if you can get a one centersomehow, you know, good for Ron.

(03:36:26):
That's really hard. You know,who's giving up a one seed?
Not too many teams right usually haveto draft and develop that player. But
you can come close and they almosthave to the Kraken almost have to get
there. They're going to have tofind a player creatively, through a trade,
through free agency back in score.And if it's two guys, great,

(03:36:48):
you know that's what's going to openup a little space for the team
to kind of get a little morebreathing room like they did in the second
season. But you've got to getplayers who are basically locked. Now,
what happened in that second year withso many guys in it at the right
time in his career years and someof those were outlying circumstances. They weren't
something that's going to happen on aconsistent basis. You want to get those

(03:37:11):
players next for the Kraken. Tome, that's the number one need you
know that's obvious. I think allthe fans know that. We've talked about
it. You guys know it.Everybody knows it. Most importantly, Ron
knows it. Can he do it? We'll see, But they're going to
have to get creative with I alwaysfelt it might come through a trade.
Maybe it doesn't. There's some interestingnames they are going to be in and

(03:37:35):
around there on July one, andwe'll see what happens. But I think
they want to be proactive with this. They want to give Dan an opportunity
to do his thing, to tweetthe system a little bit, to get
the game a little bit more open, a little bit more creative, offensively,
move the puck quickly up the ice. You know, those are all
things that Dan Bilsma was able todo way back when when he took over

(03:37:56):
the Penguins in two thousand and eightnine. That's that's what he's all about.
So you got to give him thepersonnel to do that. So hopefully
we're going to be talking about thisthe first week of July. Hey,
John, I want you to putto put a bow on this past season,
the Florida Panthers almost narrowly avoiding thereverse sweep, and my childhood fandom

(03:38:18):
takes another hint thanks to the EdmondtonOilers. You a pretty good year,
Everett. I have no no,you have. Twelve year old Evert is
pretty happy. But I will saythat I needed Edmonton to win because,
as you know, we've had alot of really good battles with the Oilers

(03:38:39):
these first three years, and I'mstarting to really not like the Oilers.
So I needed Edmonton to win thiscup. I could put my fandom to
rest. I'm still gonna do that, but it just seems unfinished anyway.
You you have a very unique opportunityyou call games for the radio, so
you were able to travel through thefirst two three rounds of the playoffs and

(03:39:01):
see, you know, this wonderfulyear of playoff hockey. What do you
make of the Panthers finally bringing acup to South Florida. Ryan Lombert still
hasn't put a shirt on. Whatdo you make of the Oilers almost completing
the reverse sweep and just everything thathad happened this year. Unfortunately Peter Debor
down in Dallas not able to getit done once again in the conference finals.

(03:39:22):
There's so many great storylines from thisyear's playoffs in the NHL, and
you had a front seat to alot of it. Yeah, I did,
you know. I was lucky enough, you know, in the first
round to be around Colorado and Winnipegand Vegas and Dallas. The second round
Edmonton, you know, again lookingat situations where the Oilers were always up

(03:39:46):
against it, found a way toget it done. And the third round
had the Dallas Edmonton series and thatwas an epic series. And you know
what I was. I was pullinga little bit, you know, for
Minton because being around them as muchas I was, I got an opportunity
to get to know some of thoseplayers more than we do when we go

(03:40:09):
in as visitors or in a nationalsituation where you just don't have a lot
of time. You could see theburden of responsibility that McDavid has on his
shoulders, dry sidle, and theopportunity of how close they were on the
other side of it. I didnot cover Florida at all, just watch
them like we all did on televisionand watching that story. The one player

(03:40:35):
or the one situation I'm close tois Paul Maurice, who started with us
in Hartford in the nineties, wentto Carolina with US, came back to
Carolina for two point zero Maurice.So I've known Paul for a long time.
I'm happy for him, and I'veseen him morph into the coach that
he is today. Whereas he doesn'ttake himself as seriously as he did when

(03:40:56):
he was younger. That's the casewith most of us, and as you
get older, you learn a littlebit more about the game, You learn
a little bit more about yourself,no matter what role you have, and
certainly he had, and he dida masterful job, not this year alone,
but last year too. Last yearhe had a hard time getting through

(03:41:16):
to those guys who were a President'sTrophy team the year before. He scored
a ton of goals and points right, and they were over one hundred points.
And then he took over. Andremember it was a Pittsburgh loss at
home two years ago to Chicago thatput Florida in the playoffs by a point,
and then they wrote their story.But they came back this year with

(03:41:37):
the Burns and good good for them, and God bless them, and I
mean, it's great for that market. It was an unbelievable experience for hockey
on Monday night. You look atthe ratings, you look at the growth
that turned a lot aheads that series, and this was a fantastic season.
And we'll just build on it now. We'll just build on it moving forward

(03:41:58):
and take it where because there's aplethora of great young players in the National
Hockey League today that are going tocarry this league for a long long time.
And for us, the best daysare ahead for the Kraken. Again,
we're still just we're still just gettingstarted. We keep saying that,
but we're still in the infancy stagesof this franchise. Oh, the best

(03:42:18):
days certainly are ahead. And tosee you back you're very soon. We
can't wait here, Johnny. We'regonna let you go, but appreciate you,
my man. We'll see you backhere sooner. Next to show your
time off. Hey, listen,listen, listen, Michael, keep up
the great work. It's great.Thank you all same to you and Everett.
Congratulations on Washington sportscast through the year. There we go, Johnny,

(03:42:43):
thank you so much. Hey,I'm putting my feet up now. Don't
bother me till September. All right, body, sounds good. You do
it now, sir, Thank youvery much. John Forestland joining us as
we have again. Berkeley Catton rightaround the corner. He's going to be
joining us and about a matter ofmoments here, so we're gonna keep it
right here, Ashley. Let's let'sjust kind of rehash what John Forestland mentioned

(03:43:05):
in that. I thought one takeawayfrom bringing up Berkeley Catton, and like
Sebastian Oho, there is a patiencepart of this game that you have to
play, and I go I can'thelp but think when Sebastian Aho, Johnny
mentioned this, the first big pickthat year I believe was Noah Hannathan and

(03:43:26):
we were he had fans of Carolinagoten all over Hannathan. Well, here's
Aho just over in the corner,just trying to scoop up pucks and just
work on his game here. Butall of a sudden he has exploded into
what he is here for today andthis will be a process. And the
long winded point is that the beautyof this is that he's got one,
maybe two more years here for theWHL. Try to experiment nothing against him

(03:43:50):
as far as what sets him back, but experiment to how this all is
gonna work out, to see maybeeven play him on the wing. Now,
Yeah, I love John's comments thatyou know that that balance between UH
gentle nudging from the from this NHLteam to UH to UH wanting to win
has to has to be kept incheck. So I would expect to see
more of that versatility trained at theHL level. We're gonna keep it right

(03:44:11):
here because a very special guest joiningus now by phone, the one and
only Berkeley Catton, picked eighth overallhere in this draft by the Seattle Kraken
out of the Spokane Chiefs. Hejoins us now by phone out in Las
Vegas. Berkeley, first off,hello, Mike Benton, with you along
with ever it fits you and alKiniski officially welcome to Seattle. Can you

(03:44:31):
put maybe into words on the emotionsthat have been going right through you for
about roughly a couple of hours now, Oh, thank you very much.
HiT's in a whirlwind, that's thebest way to put it. Like,
so many emotions coming into this andthen you know now to leave a very
happy, uh happy man. Sothis has been an unbelievable night for me.
Hey, Berkeley, man, giveus a little bit about yourself.

(03:44:52):
Tell us about your family, mom, dad, any siblings. Uh,
you know, did you learn toskate before you could walk? Who is?
Yeah? My parents are both teachersactually, so you know, growing
up education was def go ahead gatespretty much red good walk. That's not
a word of a lie. Soyeah, just grew up in hockey and

(03:45:16):
just the way it's always kind ofbeen, I think Saskatchewan. So,
so, Berkeley, what was thepoint in time where you decided that this
could be a career for you?It's different. It's a different answer for
every kid. It was different forme. But at what point in time
did you think, you know,what this could be what I do for
a living? Uh? It soundskind of cliche, but even as a

(03:45:39):
young kid, I always just Ireally believe that I could do this.
And uh, and I you know, always kind of thought that I wanted
to do this, and now kindof it all coming true. It's been
a really cool moment. It's allstarting to kind of settle in now a
little bit. You know, yousaid, and looking at all of your
projections and all of your write upstate they have you as a sentiment obviously,
but you're you're a two way guy. You're a very versatile guy.

(03:46:00):
Have you spent time on the wing? Do you have a position that you
prefer? What type of player dodo you fancy yourself? Yeah? You
know, growing up, I wasalways a younger guy on older team.
So he's always on the wing.Okay, So I've you know, I've
played pretty much everything growing up,and then I've always just kind of been
a distributor of the pop. Uh. You know, good on my edge

(03:46:22):
is super skilled, smart hockey player, and you know, I think this
past year I added the kind ofgoal scoring element to my game too,
So I'm just trying to round outmy game as he's kind of years past.
You know, usually the younger oneswere always the goalies. Do they
ever strap you in the pads andfire pucks at you? Yeah? You
know, I always try to avoidthat, definitely when we would get together
and play a little mini stick game, either out or the goalie. So

(03:46:46):
you're fulfilling your duty here. BertBerkeley Caton joining us right now, eighth
overall pick for the Seattle Crack andhis We're back live here a thirty two
bar and grill, a cracking communityice plex. Berkeley, everyone, it
seems as a player they love watchinggrowing up and seeing how they play,
how they work, how they succeed. Who were some of the names in
the NHL who have influenced you growingup? I would say, you know,

(03:47:11):
going way further back, Cabal DashDuke was always a guy I really
looked on too, just so dynamicwith the puck and smart. And then
you know, kind of now inrecent years, Jack Hughes has been a
guy I've heard Sebastian Aho a lottoo. But there's also you know,
those dynamic, smart players is whereI kind of grew myself with. What
does it mean to play in Seattle, not too far away down the road

(03:47:33):
from where you've been playing major juniorhockey in Spokane. Yeah, it's funny
because I always I always find myselfkind of in Spokane, and I've played
at the Climate Pledge and I've youknow, you know, I've been in
that that area. So that's kindof comforting knowing that already. But Seattle's
such a cool spot. I'm stillhappy and excited so Berkeley. You know,
obviously we're able to read a lotof things about you based on what

(03:47:54):
scouts have said and and people thathave watched you. But you tell us,
what's your approach to the game,what's your approach to how you want
to play and prepare for every gameoff ice? What do you like to
do to develop yourself? Give usa little sense for that. Yeah,
well, I'd say I'm just akid who absolutely loves playing hockey, and
I think that shows in my game, and I think I always I love

(03:48:16):
to have the puck, I loveto make plays, I love to set
up my teammates, and you know, that's kind of the approach I have.
I'm a pretty you know, dialedin kid. I always want to
grow my game and become a betterplayer, and I you know, I
think that's uh, that's kind ofshowed throughout these past years with my improvement.
But yeah, like I just Iabsolutely love playing this game and I
and that kind of shows. Ithink. You know, things are gonna
wrap up here for you development campnext week. You're gonna get an opportunity

(03:48:39):
to hang out with your fellow draftpicks, some other prospects who were picked
before. I know, it's onlybeen an hour and a half and you
talk to Ron. Have you talkedto Dan? Did they share any words
with you? What were some ofthose very first moments after you put that
jersey over your head, Like,yeah, oh my god, it was
so cool, you know, Maddieyears to announce that that, you know,

(03:49:01):
shaking Rob's hand, it was It'sjust so cool. You know,
there's all these dreams kind of comingtrue now. Then I was actually I
was backstage with with Marshaun last year, which is it's been a really fun
day. He likes skittles, andyou come to Seattle, bring skittles,
you'll get it as good graces,Hey Berkeley, do me a favor.
Make sure you hug your parents today, say thanks because it means a lot

(03:49:24):
to them. Yeah yeah, Iwill for sure, Hey Berkeley. One
last thing here. I mean,we've talked a lot about players who come
through this system, and al Kaniski'sgot WHL playing experience ever, it's seen
it here. I had about sixyears in broadcasting in this league previously.
I mean, what has two yearsof playing in the Western Hockey League done
to prepare you for this next phase? Yeah? So, I you know,

(03:49:48):
I think like I played as asixteen year old as the number one
center against guys like sank Ovin andyou know, Jared Davis been and all
these guys on a regular basis whenI was sixteen years old, and I
had to mature real quick or else. And I find myself in trouble,
so've I've heard, and it it'sgrowing my game, you know. And
I'm the surround of my great peoplethere in Spokane, just down the road
from Seattle, and they've allowed meto improve and work on my craft consistently,

(03:50:11):
and ultimately I think it's it's drivenme to a good spot. Well.
The cracking and Chiefs crossover is allof a sudden erupting from Spokane all
the way to Seattle. Berkeley Catton, congratulations, eighth overall. Pick now
part of the crack and pipeline.Will let you go and look forward to
seeing you out here for development camphere pretty soon. Thanks Berkeley, Thanks
congratulations seeing you guys, Thank you, thank you. What a conversation.

(03:50:35):
Berkeley Catton joining us. We gota break and catch up in a few
things here, but we'll come rightback as we head into the seven o'clock
hour, the NHL entry draft continues. Berkeley Catton, eighth overall. Pick
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(03:59:26):
our five. I am lucky tohave two cohorts with me who love
to talk. It, doesn't you? Yeah? I told you four hours
of feel like four minutes. Itseems this has been good man. This
has been a hey listen, it'sso unique. The NHL draft is so
unique, and I know that herein Seattle we're still working hard to turn

(03:59:48):
our great town into a into abona fide legitimate hockey town. I think
we're getting there. Actually I lied. We're already at hockey town, to
an NHL town. We're trying toget to that point and the draft part
of it, right, you know, the NFL Draft is an event,
and uh, you know a lotof these players you've been following for three
years. And the NBA draft samething. If you're really into college basketball,

(04:00:11):
you know who a lot of theseguys are. But in the NHL,
outside of your top five players,you don't know who a lot of
these players are. So this isthe fun part trying to you know,
to educate folks and to tell peoplelike, hey, listen, this is
what's gonna happen. It might takesome time, but the NHL Draft is
just a fascinating event. And tobe able to now have a player like

(04:00:31):
Berkeley Catton that you can follow inSpokane and so quick what five and a
half hour drive out east across themountains, depends on how you are driving
four you you can go see them, you know, Spokane, they're gonna
come to Everett, They're gonna cometo Seattle. You can see you know,
you can see Berkeley this season maybeput up another one hundred and sixteen
points for the Chiefs. So it'sa very exciting time and it was just

(04:00:54):
been a good draft. How tiredof Jim Montgomery? I think I saw
the first draft Yon by the way, oh my goodness, well listen,
I mean they're just now picking istwenty fifth overall for the Boston Bruins.
And you know, this is thetime of year two where some teams don't
have first round picks. If you'reTampa, I think the Lightning have only
had one or two first round picksin the last five or six drafts.

(04:01:18):
But look what happened. They're winningcups, they're in the playoffs, and
a lot of times you talk aboutmortgaging your future. A lot of teams
don't have those high picks because they'lltrade their first rounders and and and what
have you. So I don't thinkEdmonton doesn't have a first round pick this
year. Tampa doesn't have a firstround pick this year, so a lot
of their guys are probably back inthe hotel, still sleeping and then getting

(04:01:41):
ready for a long day two tomorrowwhich will fly by the second through seventh
rounds. Those take about four anda half hours themselves. Yeah, there
isn't as much popping circumstance, andit's it's more efficient, if you will.
And today is about, you know, putting in the NHL on display
and and do. What we didtoday is selling out this thirty two bar
and grill full of people, showingthem what this draft is all about,

(04:02:05):
and introducing them to the newest crackingand thanks to thirty two as well,
and we're hosting the last day.They kept this fed every one of the
cracking comming the ice flex Delaney andher entire staff. They actually hooked this
up with draft hats. Well that'swhy flag today. So, uh,
I know exact draft hats is seenon Berkeley cat. Yes, so I'm
I've not worn a lot of hatslately, ever since I started growing my

(04:02:28):
hair out and cold. But thisone, this one might have a permanent
get some play. I'll never gonnawear more hats than your EHL career.
Oh buddy, we all know that. Ah what do we all do?
We could be here into the nineo'clock time. Well, we we have
places to go and things to talkabout as well. Mike Benton never fits
you. Al Kiniski is well hereat thirty two Bar and Grill again.

(04:02:48):
Eight more picks to go and roundnumber one is done. The Boston Bruins
are making their pick right now asthey're on the clock. Don Sweeney is
up at the stage. So we'regonna be hanging out here until this is
all done, because well, whatif, what if the Kraken trade up
to get into round one. Itcould happen. We don't know if it

(04:03:09):
will, but we're gonna take thisall the way through and get your recap
this Berkeley Catton off the board hereto the crack and at eighth overall out
of the Spokane Chiefs, we're gonnatalk about free agency. We'll get some
more of your questions via the tetmoreDude text line again four nine four five
one. I want to hear fromyou whatever questions you have here from this
draft, from free agency, fromthe trade market as well. Drop it

(04:03:31):
in four nine four five one.We'll get to those in just a bit.
But before free agency, I wantto react a bit here to Berkeley
Catton, who joined us for aboutroughly eight or nine so minutes, and
first off, just I think aftercoming off a draft stage and going through
what they usually call the car washof activities, you have photography, you've

(04:03:52):
got national television, or you've gotthe podium as well, there is a
lot that is going through your brainand your veins as well. And I
think for the excitement, the exuberantsthat he carried over this conversation, it
showed what a set of nerves thathe's got on him as well to compartmentalize,

(04:04:13):
and what a great conversation and personalitythat is coming over here. Yeah.
Absolutely, And it's it's it's exhausting, and I can't imagine what he's
done up until that conversation he hadwith us, and he's obviously got a
lot more to do afterwards. Butit's both the excitement you heard in his
voice and also the answers that hegave. And one of the one that
stood out to me was talking aboutplaying with better players, because I've always

(04:04:35):
felt that you develop when you playwith better players. Yeah, it's easy
to play with you know, playersaren't as good and you know rack up
points. No, he wants toplay against better players, so he gets
better out of that mentality. Itkind of reminds me of evert. I'll
TEUs up for you here as well. I mean, I've got a nine
year old son who's playing baseball rightnow. He's playing in travel and Little
League. There goes my bank accountalready. But he played up as a

(04:04:58):
little leaguer, then he played asa travel ball kid this year. And
I don't want to be that guyand jump into the numbers and all that,
but nah, that guy, hisskill, his skill exploded, exploded
because he's playing against bigger, olderplayers who are more seasoned, They can
throw harder, they they are moreintelligent as hitters, and his game is
taken off as well well. Andthat that also goes back to my point

(04:05:22):
that I made about college versus junior. And I'm not gonna give him the
argument about who's better where you standon that, but when you go into
the college game, you're automatically playingagainst bigger, better players. These kids
come into college at twenty one,twenty two, twenty three years old,
as opposed to leaving junior at eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old. So
right there, you're getting better thatbigger, better talent. And I think

(04:05:43):
for a guy like Berkeley Catton wantinghim to go up against the bigger teams,
the better players, that says alot about not only his character,
but I think also about the office, the the the hockey sense that
we talk so much about. AndI talked to a Grant feuror who does
the color a Hall of Fame goaltender. He does. He's a color analyst

(04:06:05):
for the Firebirds in Coachella Valley anddoes some work the world's largest collection of
Aaron Jordan's. Oh yes, he'sa big sneakerhead. And I talked to
him a little bit about that,just that thing about playing but also learning,
also being a good teammate, alsothe the intangibles, right, all
of the cliche stuff. And hesaid to me, you know, anybody

(04:06:28):
can score goals, anyone can stopputts. But if you don't think the
game well, if you can't readthe game well, if you don't know
how to react, and if you'renot a good teammate, you're not gonna
get anywhere in this league. AndI think listening to him talk, I
felt a lot of that conversation comethrough in his answers, the thought that
the thoughtfulness of his answers. He'srunning on all adrenaline, right, I

(04:06:50):
mean, he's gonna crash hard tonight. It's gonna go to dinner with his
parents and then he's gonna be outlike a light by ten o'clock. And
then he's gonna get on a planeof Seattle tomorrow or Sunday and and get
ready for the car wash that willbe here at kCi. So an exciting
time for sure for him, andI'm looking forward to seeing what he can
do. Yeah, no disrespect tothe three of us, but he will

(04:07:11):
not remember that conversation, I guaranteeyou. You know, Al So you
were drafted by the Flyers in thethird round in your hometown, so that
had to be pretty special in Vancouver. Do you remember that day? Was
it like this? I mean,did you have the media car wash?
What was your draft experience like backin ninety ninety ninety ninety? Yeah,

(04:07:33):
So the similarities were BC Place inVancouver. All the teams are there as
they were here this year for thelast time. Last time they went to
an NFL draft style where everyone's backin their war rooms, so they'll probably
be about one hundred feet over therein the cracking offices next right right,
So all the teams there at BCPlace. I was in the stands there

(04:07:54):
to watch my teammates get drafted.So I wasn't going in going well,
am I going to go here?Am I gonna go there? Who's gonna
pick me? I? Hope?I go there. I was purely a
fan in the stands. But theone thing, and I give my parents
to credit for this, the onething they said is out of respect for
the draft, you should probably weara suit. They didn't say because you
might get drafted. They said,out of respect for the draft, you

(04:08:15):
should wear a suit. So whenmy name was called, I looked like
one of the other players there inthe video standing up going to they just
call my name. I couldn't believeit. And from that point through the
rest of the day, I don'tremember anything. Did you go up on
stage? Did they give you ajersey? Do you still have the jersey?
I still have the jersey, shookhands, took pictures, you know.
So those pictures I have, andI can remember those points along the

(04:08:39):
way. But the people I spoketo, the conversations I had the microphones
in my face, I didn't.I don't remember all that. I remember
what kind of suit it was,what color of suit it was. I'll
show you a picture after show,Instagram, live, or it didn't happen.
Yeah, let's get into a freeagency and we're gonna take one more
break and come back and give usour final thoughts on what we learned here

(04:09:00):
from today. But as far asthe free agency aspect of this or the
trade market, I'll first begin withthis. All the cap space is the
more feasible to look for a guyif he's out there, who say,
has scored thirty or forty goals?Or would you rather try to split your
money up here and go and saytwo guys in a twenty goal range?
You know, I think Alan Ikind of on the same page here.

(04:09:22):
I'm down for splitting that, butyou're gonna have to hit on both those
players. I think it's easy.You know, I've got cap friendly pulled
up right now. If you lookat the top ten point scorers from last
year, Ryan Hart ninety four points, Damcast eighty one points, Genzel seventy
seven, Lucas Raymond for Detroit,he's an RFA the red rings own his
right still seventy two Marcius, Sothat's a big name thrown out in Vegas.

(04:09:43):
Pavelski's retiring Jarvis from Carolina, MattDuchane, Shanna Monahan and Jonathan Drew,
and then it drops off a bitto fully Tarasenko Byfield, RFA,
Tara Vine and Natius whatever I thinkif you can go and get two fifty
point scorers, two sixty point scores. If you can go, get too.

(04:10:05):
Jared McCann's right, go get twoconsistent. Jared McCanns. I think
that will set you up for success. Now you're gonna have to pay.
Like we talked about twenty three milliondollars, maybe cut that in half because
you have to pay Tolvin it.You have to pay the man we heard
from earlier today, Maddy Beniers.And based off of all the things that
I've read again that twenty three willbe about twelve depending on how you divvy

(04:10:30):
up the money. So now youhave to go and say, maybe give
me two four to five guys,two five million dollar guys, and then
supplement the rest of that two anda half million dollars with some bottom six
players. You also need to replaceJustin Schultz, who's a UFA. Yeah,
maybe not coming back. It soundslike Keller Yamamoto has been given permission
to speak to other teams, sowhile not a definite no, sounds like

(04:10:52):
he might not be coming back aswell. So you have to replace a
power play quarterback in Justin Schultz.How much will that cost you? And
you have to replace some guys onthe bottom your bottom six group as well.
Well. Now, also al thisalso brings up something interesting because if
you talk about, you know,split the money across here, that opens
the door now for you know,say for a guy like Anthony dou Clear,
who has cracked purty goals but hasbeen kind of on a resurrection path

(04:11:16):
if you will, from his downyear in San Jose. But also Tubo
Teravinan is out there, Max Hill, can you get it? Can you
get him up there once again?Elias Lenholm is out there. Jake Debrusk
is also out there as well too. Yeah, are we making our cases
right now? Because you said aname that is my case or teaing it
up? But go ahead, WellI'll start that. Terravinan is my guy.

(04:11:37):
I like him. He's twenty nine, so he's still got some tread
on his tire, so to speak. He's a five point four million dollar
salary cap hit, so he's notyour eight nine. He's a four time
twenty goal scorer. And the biggestthing is is he's open to a fresh
situation. So that's that's what's beensaid, not by him, but that's
what Bin ruvered. So when aguy's open to that, and you know,

(04:12:01):
he's got that kind of success withtwenty goal seasons, and he's reasonable
as far as price goes. Ithink you have a look at him.
Funny enough, how these ex Hurricanesand Ron Francis is coming up over over
And that's the other thing, andI'm glad you mentioned that is I think
it was the Athletic had rated theteams one through thirty two best to worst
in terms of salary cap situation.Carolina is at twenty four, so they're

(04:12:24):
going to be taking some phone callsto try and fix that, which is
also a good reason to have alook into Tarroline. My former my case
is another former Carolina Hurricane, EliasLinholm. I've liked Linnholm ever since he
was in Calgary. We're looking attwenty points in one, two, three,
four the last six years, fiftyor twenty goals rather for the last

(04:12:46):
six years sixty points in one,two, three of the last six years
as well, So you know,I've always liked Lynholm. He's a free
agent out of Vancouver right now.But again that that's probably going to be
a higher price. A center andbut a center center left wing. He
can play both, but also too, does Shane Wright come in and slide

(04:13:07):
in as your automatic number two center? Yeah? Does he maybe take the
Yannie Gordon spot, pushing Gord downto four? So now is it is
it a toulvenyin right byork Strand?Yeah? Maybe Yanni Gord plays a little
bit more of that gritty, grindyfourthlying game that he plays so well,
you know, So there's a lotof options there. But also to Ryan

(04:13:28):
Winterton, from what I saw intraining, in training camp and Coachella Valley,
what I saw from him, Ithink he could be this season's Ty
Cartie. I think he could bethe guy to make the team out of
camp and stick and stay. Youknow, eighty two games in a season,
maybe he plays seventy of them,but I could see a guy like
Ryan Winterton sticking and staying all yearnext year. Yeah, and that,

(04:13:50):
you know, that kind of playI think is more of what the Kraken
need as well. He's a grittyplayer, you know, he'd be probably
a fourth liner as Cartier was theseason, and heck he might even play
with Karsha fourth final to start.But I think he's got second line potential.
No, absolutely, he'd work hisway up, but I think starting
there and playing it in that rolewould be good for him. I'm going
to go out on a limb herefor this one and for me Plan A

(04:14:13):
the fall four plan has to dowith the trade market here and it would
require some maneuvering to get this done, but I think the payoff is well
worth it. Connor, well beyondwell. If you can't go Connor McDavid,
I would love to see what thisteam can do and taking a swing
of Patrick lining. And I knowthat he's gone through a few bumpy years
as well, and there's a conversationseparately where they're going to have to get

(04:14:35):
him out of the player assistance program, but all reports were saying that he
is very very close to being cleared. That plus he had his issue with
the broken clavicle or the collarbone.I believe from this last year missed all
but eighteen games out of this.But if you can get Patrick Lione back
up to speed, there's a playerat the ready where you can grab,

(04:14:56):
maybe even to try to retain somesalary on the Columbus side, because there's
not much leverage from Columbus from whatwe're hearing but yet, if you can
put him in at the right placeand put him in with the right player
as well, can you imagine thatkind of a shot that Bazooka that is
at forty goals? Yes, Iknow it was back when he was nineteen,
but he has still got more mileageon the Odometerter here, what kind

(04:15:20):
of trade that can do for youas a backup plan? I got a
couple of ideas there, but goahead, fish. Yeah. I mean,
if you take away the COVID yearand if you take away this season,
which were both injury plague season,He's got fifty points in one,
two, three, four, five, six of his first eight NHL seasons.
And I think that you know thatthat's not by accident. I like

(04:15:41):
Patrick lyon A, and I thinkother teams may have more leverage because he
doesn't want to be in Columbus.So basically Columbus will take what you can
get. But I go back towhat I said at the very top of
our show. If you want aguy like Patrick lyon A, you're gonna
have to give up a guy likePatrick lyone. And team's gonna want and
I'll give you my list, Andthis is not short changing and sliding anybody

(04:16:03):
on the crack and roster. Butthese are about the five players that if
I'm an opposing GM, I lookat Seattle's roster, these are the guys
that I want. It's not whoyou want to get rid of until you
think another GM will want in returnif I am. If I am Columbus's
GM, here is on the krackand who I would want Matt even hears
Shane Wright Adam Larson, Well he'snot going Vince Dunn, Joey the court

(04:16:26):
maybe as a baseline year, butalso do you think that may be because
of the fact that Columbus wants tomove on blighting. Al has already sold
his condo, and the other reportswere saying that I guess to move on
that there might not be that muchleverage. I get it, but he's
still Columbus property. And if I'mthe Blue Jackets, I'm going if I'm
losing a top six player, I'mgoing to one a top six player back

(04:16:47):
in return, or I'm going toone a top six a top four defenseman
in return. Now, again,those names I mentioned, those are not
players that I think the Kraken shouldtrade. I'm not saying that their players.
The Kraken are willing to trade.But if I am on the other
side of that table, that's theplayer on the crack and roster that I'm
like, you know what, you'regonna give me one of these guys or
a betty of draft picks or abevy of prospects. You've got the prospects

(04:17:11):
in the pipeline who have been draftedalready. Do you look at giving up
a guy who's not been in Seattleyet? You know? Again, you
look at the pipeline Ferkus, Nelson, Goyette, Newman, Uh, do
you give up one of those playersin a package? And again this is
me as an opposing I do notwant Ron Francis to come to my come

(04:17:33):
to me this summer say hey,I heard you. I'm not saying we
are getting rid of I'm not sayingwe should putting a GM hat on and
saying if I am an opposing GM, these are the players who I would
want from the crack and roster,and you, as a general manager,
have to be willing to part withthose players. I know the fan base

(04:17:56):
wouldn't like, you know, seeinga guy like that go, But hey,
it's a bus and these are toughdecisions that have to be made.
The purpose of a trade is notto win the trade all the time.
It is to address your need andhelp someone else address there. Go back
to the Taylor Hall Adam Larson onefor one trade Oilers and Devils back in
what was that twenty sixteen sixteen somethinglike that, Taylor Hall coming off of

(04:18:18):
a fantastic offensive season with the EdmontonOilers. At the time, the Oilers
were two NHL defense, but awayfrom being a bad NHL defense, they
were terrible. Adam Larson fit aneed. That's where you got Hall for
Larson one to one. It wasat the time. Everyone they maligned the
trade. It was a terrible trade, but it had to happen because Jersey

(04:18:41):
needed offense, Edmonton needed defense,and that's where you got one for one
Haul and Larson, which at thetime looked a little lopsided, but it
played out pretty good well. Andagain much like Carolina with that list from
the athletic best to worst with salarycap issues, Columbus is right before Carolina
twenty third, so they've got somethings to figure out. So again I'll

(04:19:03):
take your GM hat and put iton. I'm looking at those same guys,
and I'm saying which one of themis gonna help my salary cap hit
the most, and that's probably theones I'm focused on. Well, hey,
listen, I mean everyone's gonna posturewhen it comes to the trade market
here and say what we want X, we want, why we want player
A, B or C. Andwe'll see how usually the conversations go with
dictating who goes out the door andwhat comes right back to you. So

(04:19:26):
let's just say, for instance,at the asking prices is just too rich
here for the kraken and their blood. I mean, if you want to
split this up, I like goingafter Anthony do Clear. I like also
see what Jake deb Brusk can do, not just for the goal scoring,
but also for the snarl that hebrings as well. And if you want
to, I'll add a third playerto that, Jake Debrusk. I think
if you find a way to geta combination, I'm sorry, Max,

(04:19:47):
DOMI, sorry Domie. You canfind a way to get a combination of
do Clear, Domi and Debrusque.If you can get all three grade I
doubt it, doubt it. Butif you can get two of those three
guys, I think, like yousaid, you bring in the snarl,
you bring in some off five upside, you bring in some skill, You
bring in a little bit of sexinessin the lineup, which is what you
need. This is a team thatlast year twenty eighth of the league in

(04:20:07):
scoring two to three something two threefour goals per game. That's not gonna
win you a lot of games.It's not gonna win you playoff games as
well, So you can bring thatin. It addresses the toughness question,
although not on the back end thatour caller arab Textra had earlier today.
It addresses the toughness issue with theguy like Duclaire and Domy, but offensively
too. These are players that canput up consistently forty plus points every year.

(04:20:32):
Yeah, especially in Deuclaire's case.Yeah, being in San Jose,
struggling team and still still putting pointsup on the board. But I agree
that toughness, that that that swashbuckler. Yeah, attitude, that's what
you need out there. Yeah.Well, we got some reaction here from
Twitter and x as well. Weget one from shawnes Sane. I'm stoked
about the pick for Berkeley Catton,talented skater high Hockey Iq scores from anywhere
and everywhere. One silver tip fanalso jumping in Max saying he was always

(04:20:56):
electric in those games against it.You ever got silver tips, So the
crack can have that going as faras what he's seen as well. A
couple concerns we get one here fromour w underscore Savage saying high risk,
high reward. Maybe concerns about hissize would have maybe preferred someone like say
Zeboom, but at least they swungfor the fences here for a pick like

(04:21:19):
Berkeley Cat. And again I agreewith that. I thought this team was
gonna go defense. I think,you know, you do go a bit
undersized and taking skill. But again, like we said the NHL draft,
outside of the top three, topfive, you're going best available one hundred
and sixteen points on the board.You cannot let that go too often.

(04:21:42):
But I do think that Berkeley Kattenis gonna have to put on ten to
fifteen pounds and again hopefully he canget to maybe closer to five eleven.
He's five to ten right now,right, five ten. If he can
maybe kiss five eleven right another wearthe right skates right, it will get
It's stucky to put a few liftsin his skates, if he can maybe

(04:22:03):
add fifteen pounds get another pass ofchicken palm for the buffet line, I
think, but I do agree.I don't know if i'd say high resk
high maybe medium risk, but Ido think high reward if he can turn
out to being that two way secondline centerman that he's projecting here today.
One hundred and fifteen points in theWHL is one hundred and fifteen points in

(04:22:26):
the WHL, and hey, guesshe'll be feeding him once he gets here.
The guy runs this place, KenMORI all the chicken, all the
protein. Man, they feed everybody, and I mean everybody, well here
at this place. That's where we'reat right now. Live covers continuing,
but we're getting close here to thefinish line. I believe four more picks
to go after the Calgary Flames gettheirs in as the crack and selecting Berkeley

(04:22:51):
Catton eighth overall in the first roundof the NHL Entry Draft. He'll be
here next week for development camp.We'll wrap things up in just a bit
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Yep, we're going hard. MikeBetton never fits you, Al Kaniski at
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Entry Draft first round rounds two throughseven picking up tomorrow, but we know
Berkeley Catton is celebrating tonight in LasVegas as a new part of the Kraken
being picked eighth overall, and we'regonna find out more whose dreams come true

(04:30:52):
tomorrow in rounds two through seven.So to kind of wrap all this up
as we have about four draft picksto go to end this first round here,
I thought it was something interesting thatwe're seeing pop up from Ron Francis
and his media availability as well.Talking about this, he mentioned the need
to get a center. It wasimportant, He said it and was quote

(04:31:15):
unquote what we were looking to getand the reason why they're looking at moving
prospects like Carson Raycopf and David Goyetteto the wing to fit in Berkeley cat
weh And that's what we were talkingabout. Well, I mean, you
have such a glut down the middle, which is never a bad thing.
You need centerment in this league.You need guys who can move the puck,
who can win face offs for you, but you also want them to

(04:31:37):
be versatile. Jane McCann, JaneSchwartz can who can do all that?
But you know, John fors thensaid it, I said it earlier today.
It's a second baseball. You know, you're a shortstop because you're the
best player on the team, notbecause you're the best shortstop. And how
many short stops have we seen moveda second, moved a third, moved
to the outfield, moved to themound. Just because you're drafted somewhere doesn't
mean you're gonna stick and stay somewhere. So I think that's a smart move.

(04:32:00):
And like we said, it wasbest available, Berkeley Catton was the
best prospect on the This is aspecial KJRFM Sports presentation point about shortstops.

(04:33:11):
It's all French to meam not abaseball, But I agree. I think
that you're easily moved, just likeJohn said, from center to wing versus
vice versas. Yeah, we're gonnafind out here as far as what we
learn a little bit, but wealso are getting uh, Ron Francis from
the podium where he was about roughlya few moments ago and explaining more on
the Berkeley cat and pick here ateighth overall, and also what's ahead here

(04:33:33):
for the crack and maybe here forthe summer. Ron Francis speaking to the
medium. We'll get to that herein just a bit. But tomorrow is
going to fly by. We've seenthis. I mean, we're about roughly
into what now three and a halfhours of this draft. As we get
toward the bottom of the hour,A matter of fact, we've just passed
it. Matter of fact, thismight be rounds two through seven tomorrow,
And again we bring the question backup, where do you want to go

(04:33:56):
with this? Because with the collectionof picks there two in round two,
how tempting can that be to playlet's make a deal. Yeah, I
think it's huge, especially for whatyou want to do short term, You're
not gonna have a bunch of moneyto play with this summer. So using
one of those two seconds, oneof those two thirds, maybe your fourth

(04:34:17):
and year sixth, to parlay thatinto a guy as a part of a
package, as a part of adeal that can help you this year.
I mean, it's gonna be huge. So again I'm gonna say it my
hot take, I think this isa successful draft for the Kraken. If
they do not bring nine prospects backwith them, I think they should use
some of those picks as draft capital. You're getting to the point now when

(04:34:38):
you're franchise's history, the cupboards arepretty stocks. You know, you've got
a lot of prospects in the AmericanLeague, all around the world, in
various leagues here in North America.I think you can now afford to start
to play and deal some of thesephantom future picks for assets that can help
you today. I think what you'retrying to figure out if you're on for

(04:35:00):
instances again, going back to bestavailable player at that time, we'll just
focus on rounds two and three forright now, because there have been a
lot of superstars. Oh yeah,come out of the second and third rounds.
Uh, those best players that areavailable at the picks you have,
are they players that you need inyour system in the next few years or
to your point, are you deepin those areas? And if you are,

(04:35:22):
then you start looking around the leagueand going what teams need players and
at those positions, and would seethe value of that player higher than what
you see it at based on wherethat pick is at. And if that's
the case, if there are thoseteams, you start talking to those teams,
You start talking about who they've gotthat they might want to trade for,
and that's where you those deals happen. Sow Long, I'll just say

(04:35:44):
some second round players in the NHLnow Nikita Kucherov, Jason Robertson, Alex
Alex to brink It Rope hints,Jordan Cairou, Roman Yosi, Ryan O'Reilly
Bertuzzi to Foley uh Toomas Tatar whothe Kraken had know. Vin's done second
round draft picks. So I MelanLuchiet's second round draft picks. So so

(04:36:04):
the point, the point there isis that you can be fine as big
as this day is. It's thefirst round, but this isn't where all
the stars come from there. There'sgonna be some stars I guarantee you that
get chosen tomorrow that will go onto do big things. How long have
the krack and been looking at thiskind of pick. Let's go to the
podium back in Las Vegas as RonFrancis cracking GM means the media right now,

(04:36:30):
what are you all right? Thatseems? Is this a loud for
everybody who's just me? Okay,all right? No, we really liked
him. He's a he's a giftedoffensive player. He's got a lead hockey
since real good speed, you know, high compete level, and he's got

(04:36:52):
you know, he's got a skillset that he can score and make play.
So we think he's a very highend offensive player and we're saying ad
him to the full. Yeah,it was interesting. I think everybody in
the outside was thinking a lot ofD we're gonna go early, and it

(04:37:14):
seemed to be more of a runon forwards. I think you'll see the
D now start to run. Butyou know, for us, you know,
going in, we thought we hada chance of getting him, and
and when we got to eight hewas sitting there. So that was that
was the guy we wanted. Sowe're excited. All right, he's coming
next. So you want to getrid of me, you're you're always been

(04:37:34):
a fan of drafted seven. Youlike to build up the middle and tell
us, yeah, no, Imean centers are critical, we think,
you know, we've had a coupleof guys we drafted at center, you
know, ray Croft and and Goyettethat have since moved to the wings.
So we just felt with where wewere, the depth at center was important

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for us. And and uh,that's what we're looking to get alrighty,
I know, all right, thanksback in Las Vegas at the sphere and
really confirming what we've been well talkingabout here over the last couple of hours
as far as where this fist,but also where the Krack can want to

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position their forwards long term. Sofor Carson Raykoff and David Goyette, and
we could see Goyette maybe in CoachellaValley this next season. Ray Cooff might
not be too far away. Whata year he had at the Ontario Hockey
League level. There's a difference maybein how you play as a center with
responsibilities versus on the wing. You'recovering a lot more ice and for well,

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Goyette and for Raycopp, we'll seeas far as going right of the
wing, Yeah, there's board playin there, but how much more offense
can they really generate now with thatbe more of a full responsibility. Yeah,
and I think it is tough.And listen, say what you want
about his offensive production, but AlexanderWeinberg, outside of goal scoring, was

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a really good center. He wasdefensively responsible, one of the best skaters
that we've seen in a cracking uniform. He can facilitate, he can move
the puck very very well. Ididn't like the fact that he was allergic
to shooting the puck. That's justmy opinion. But he was definitely of
value to this team. And Ithink of a guy like that when I
think of good centerment, good twoway centerment. And you're right, it

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takes a special player to do that. It takes a smart player to do
that. It takes a talented playerto do that both on the ice and
off the ice. So or Iguess on the pucking away from the puck.
So I do think that time willtell. But now we're getting into
that part of this team's history,in this franchise history where the first few

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years of draft picks are now startingto come through to pro hockey. They're
going to be in Coachella Valley nextyear. Some of them have hit Coachella
Valley this past season. So nowlate next year twenty four to twenty five,
definitely twenty six, twenty seven,and you're going to start to see
a lot more of those early picksfrom this roster start to have a more

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permanent role in Seattle. So agoyete, uh, Tucker Robertson, ty
Nelson, players like that, JacobAllanson. You're gonna start to see a
lot more of those players getting timeup here in Seattle. Yeah. Those
are those are seeds that have beenplanted and they're starting to sprout. They
will bear fruit in that timeframe thatyou you just outlined there, and I

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think that's something to look forward towith these players. They're doing so well
where they are right now. It'sexciting to see some of the excess.
We talked about Furcus earlier, youknow, and in the season he's had.
They're on their way to Seattle inthe future, and I look forward
to it. Let's talk about developmentcamp now going down this next week.
That's gonna be July second through fifth. This will all wrap up on the

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fifth, by the way, withthe annual Scrimmage a k a. The
Stuckey Cup. I love that name, Mike Benton. As'll be a lot
of fun. Now. I thinkyou're passing the torch shot from Alco are
warm for you. Listen, you'reyou're the junior guy. You You've seen
a lot of these guys in thedub and I'm excited to be here.
I'm gonna be I'll be. I'llbe there for most every day next week,

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so I'm looking forward to hanging outwith the fans and seeing I love
Development Camp because it's it's almost likeorient It's not even Orientation week. It's
like you go to band camp inthe middle of summer, so you see
all your friends again from school,but you still have about six to eight
weeks of summer vacation left. Butthis is a nice little appetizer to see

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folks again. You're back into hockeymode before the real summer begins. Yeah.
And from a player's perspective, youknow, certainly from a draft picked
perspective, these players are coming fromjuniors. These players are are are are
coming from Coachella. In the caseof the players that come from the junior
levels, I'd love to see thatthe look on their face when they come
into the dress room the first timeand they look at like a bottle of

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gainory and go, can I canI drink this? As are these to
take these for everyone? They startput in their back because I guarantee you
at the junior level they're getting water. Oh yes, yes, the water
bottles are filled, but maybe maybemaybe they filled a few themselves, but
it's water. So they're getting exposedto what it's like at the pro level,
and that's the beginning of becoming apro hockey. I will say,

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downstairs they do a good job,but they take care of guys. Here
in Seattle. They have these likepressed juice bottles like the watermelon and the
kale and the the banana pineapple squeezeenergy and the chef down there, like
these guys are gonna come to Seattleand then they're gonna be Okay, what
do I need to do to getback here as quickly? Have that kind

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of fair inquisine a twenty or twentyone years, like my goodness, Yeah,
development camp, you can expect nameslike Nicholas Coco goaltender coming along here.
Uh, Jagger Furkus still got moremiles to go before he breaks from
the NHL full time potentially here.Uh. Even I look at, say
maybe some of my Cayden Price onthe back end picked last year, and

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Ty Nelson as well, potentially guyslike of course Shane Wright. They've had
a long, long season. Youcan maybe think that we'll see him back
next year for training camp. MattyBeniers has of course been through all that
in his first couple of years.But I think for development camp and getting
a chance to see players and moreof a I won't say totally relaxed,
but more of a relaxed atmosphere iscompared to training camp. This is where

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you can get your first good lookat where their skills shines the most.
I recall last year Shane Wright,a couple of great plays he had on
his tape, Edward Shalla as wellRyan Winterton a couple of years before that.
So to see Berkeley Catton in awide open environment that is gonna be
a lot of fun. Yeah,yeah, I look forward to it.
I you know, I haven't hadthis opportunity and you know, much less

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so I come. I come nextweek more as a fan that I do
as a radio broadcasts. I mightwear a disguise, take a few notes,
but it's a chance to see allof these guys in one place that
you're not going to see potentially fora few years. But when you do,
you can say I remember seeing themin the development camp, and I
remember seeing that that those early draftpicks and how raw they were at the

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time, and now look at them. They're trying out for a crack and
spot. And it's a good measuringstick too for the guys who were picked
this year to go up against theguys who were picked last year, year
before, who have another year ofjunior or pro wherever they are under their
belt. They're older, they're bigger, they're faster. There's going to be
a handful of Coachella Valley prospects here. I don't imagine, you know,

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they just they literally just had theirseason come to an inn on Monday,
so like you're not gonna see RKhere. But there was a few of
the black Aces who didn't play awhole lot. Ty Nelson will probably be
here. A few guys who whoonly played in a handful of playoff games.
I remember Coachella Valley, they onlyplayed twelve nights. Nope, the
eighteen games over sixty days, sixtyone days, so I mean in the

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playoffs. So they're a little freshstill. But I don't expect to see
a lot of the folks who areon that run here, and those Rashers
will probably be released over the weekend, if not Monday, but some of
those guys. But yeah, thisis going to be for the draft picks
that we haven't seen yet. Guyswho were still overseas, Guys who were
still playing in North America in thejunior ranks are in college. So this

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is truly the future of the Krakenthat we're gonna see next week. Shren
Danford is the thirty first pick overall, by the way to the Toronto Maple
Leafs. So we have just onemore pick to go, the Philadelphia Flyers
at pick thirty two for round one. They're on the clock. I'll go
ahead. Yeah, I was gonnasay, should we recap or review the
schedule for next week? Next week, just for anybody that might be listing,
it's going I'd like to come seethis draft pick. What's happening?

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How do I get in, whatdays can I come? What days can
I not come? What's happening?Yeah, a great question to ask because
this will all be open to thepublic as well. Plus the scrimmage to
end matters. It will be amorning scrimmage on July fifth, on Saturday.
Yes, I don't think they putout the official schedule yet. Again,
that's gonna come out probably over theweekend. I know we've seen it
here internally, but based off oflast year, you're gonna have two sessions.

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You're gonna have a morning session andan afternoon session, So that'll probably
be anywhere from nine to ten amand twelve to one pm, and guys
are gonna be on the ice.They'll go through off ice workouts, which
we won't be able to be privyto this year. Is something really cool.
The crack that are gonna be doingis we're gonna be doing a rookie
media day, a draft pick mediaday, so all of the the when

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you come to Climate Pledgerina and yousee all of the in arena assets,
the intro videos and all the smokeand all that stuff, we're gonna be
putting our prospects to that as well. So I'm very excited to see that.
But there's gonna be on ice secsegments. There's gonna be the scrimmage
at the end, and there's gonnabe a barbecue over in the park here
at ACI at the end of theweek after the scrimmage to cap everything off.

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But again, an official schedule shouldbe coming out within the next forty
eight hours. Hopefully by Monday,we'll be able to have a full workup
of what's the comfort development. Soif you work from home, I know
the wi fi in here is reallygood. Yeah, you can work from
the WiFi well. And a lotof people are gonna have long weeks next
week because you got the fourth comingup one Thursday, So I mean next

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weekend is gonna be the long weekend. But hey, you know, a
couple of vacation days. It doesn'tget much better than summer in Seattle.
I might cash in a few ofthose early ones and just take the whole
week. It's gonna be warm,nice and cool in here. Can't beat
Lake Union, can't beat Lake Washington, especially at this time of year as
we're getting winding down here right now. Matter of fact, pick thirty two
to the Philadelphia Flyers are about readyto get this one picked and round one

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will be officially over. We wenta long time here for tonight to recap
once again, the Kraken pick aneighth overall, getting Berkeley Catton out of
the Spokane Chiefs. I'll pick againtomorrow with two picks on schedule right now
in the second round rounds two throughseven opening up tomorrow morning as well,
Maclan celebrated, I mean, goingfirst overall to the San Jose Sharks to

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no one's surprise. And so itlooks like now the Philadelphia Flyers all said
to make their selection here and officiallywrap up this first round of the NHL
Entry Draft. We can't think thirtytwo bar and grill, led by a
head chef Ken Moriarty enough for theirhospitality as well. They feed us well,

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I think for many of you hopefullyif you stopped on buy they fed
you well as well too. Theyfeed the players and take care of a
lot of friends. And we can'tthink Ken and his crew enough for all
the help that they did. Sobefore we get to our thanks here for
this one last take here from thiswhat we learned here for today? Everick
go ahead, you know I learnedthat this is still a work in progress.

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I learned that this organization, eventhough they've had the playoff success that
they've had in the year two,the step back this year, this is
still a very exciting time. Thingsare still ever changing. There are a
lot of teams in the NHL.You know what you're going to expect going
into the off season. They've beenaround for forty to fifty sixty some odd
years, but it's still new,it's still exciting, it's still sexy here

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for the Seattle Cracking. And that'swhat I've learned. And we have a
trade to and now it's on theboard, waiting stay here, Why we
stay? I'm waiting to see ifRon walks across the oilers round. They've
traded into the first round, soRon francis off the clock, Cracking officially
off the clock. So but no, that's what I've learned. I've learned

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that, you know, the futureis still very very bright. It's still
a very very young franchise, awork in progress. But based on what
we've heard from Dan, based onwhat Ron said, this is going to
be a very exciting next seven daysgoing into free agency. Still trades can
be made, But I mean there'sa lot to look forward to. Don't
let this past season uh be thethe the the microcosm of cracking hockey.

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There is still so much more outthere that we're excited about for the future.
Yeah, it's likek a good stockpick. It's not necessarily the spot
in time you look at, youlook at over a period of years.
As long as it's up into theright you're good. And I like that
analogy with this season versus last seasonand seasons to come. The thing I
learned as well is that this organization, specifically Ron Francis, is looking at

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strategy from the standpoint of this pickthey made today in Berkeley, Catten.
It's about how he fits in downthe road and some of the names he
threw out, putting them to thewings to make room for him. There's
a strategy going on behind the scenesthat we never know about. So the
Edmonton Oilers are on the clock herea little over two minutes to get their
final pick in here for this firstround again as they traded up to get

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into the first round and getting thatpick from the Philadelphia Flyers. I think
one thing I learned here from today, and we can talk a lot about
and wax on the value of defensemanand perhaps the need to go after a
defenseman. But ultimately, at theend of the day, agents based on
what we learned here from Ron Francisand that you can never value centers enough.

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You can always move them around,and if you have one hundred and
fifteen point guy from the WHL hangingout there, you get your one hundred
and fifteen point guy out from theWHL and then you make your adjustments.
Because David Goyet can play there,Carson Raykoff can certainly play there. But
now the Kraken have a solid,i mean potentially rock solid foundation to build

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from here for the middle yeah,I want to real quick. So the
Oilers just traded into the first roundpick number thirty two. They gave up
a first rounder in either twenty fiveor twenty six to trade into the very
bottom of this first round this year. So Sam O'Reilly, a right winger

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out of London, was their pick. He better pan out because listen,
the Oilers, hopefully the Oilers aren'tgonna be for their sake, They're not
going to be picking in a lotteryposition over the next two years. But
you know, God forbid this teamhits the skids like they did earlier this
year. And we see the Oilerspicking tenth and they just gave up a
tenth overall pick to get to getinto the first round. But a you

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know again, a lot of theseplay A lot of these and also to
the Oilers are going through a GMchange right now. Yes, anyway,
but a lot of these players,you know, the teams like them.
A lot of these teams they havetheir guy. We're keyed in on this
guy from the start. Oilers seehim. Twenty goals thirty six assists last
year is best available Samuel Rilly.So hey, I thought that was odd.

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We nearly went five hours for comehere for today. But you know
what, there's no better job inthe world. I will not be working
any other job in the world.And fellas my friends, it felt like
five minutes to see in September.See I'll see it next week, next
week. I'll see you next weekand see you next week. Oh well,
I can't wait here. I can'twait here. Well, Round one
officially in the books. Here forthe NHL Entry Draft, Berkeley Cat and

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welcome to spoke In or from spokeIn welcome to see he'll be here next
week for development camp rounds two throughseven going down tomorrow morning. We'll find
out then who's added more here tothe crack and pipeline. Want to thank
Jeff Merrick, head coach, DanBilsma, Maddy Beniers, Berkeley Catton the
eighth overall pick, gm Ron FrancisJohn Foresland as well for joining us.

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Also Mitch Blyde, technical director.Great to hear Mitch's voice on the other
side once again here. We can'twait for more of him this next season.
And to my main man ever fitsyou al Kiniski, thank you so
much for doing this. Fellas andMike, thanks to you for holding this
down five hours. Also got tosend a shout out to all the PR
folks in Vegas right now, LindseyBrown, Chris Brumwell from the Brackens setting

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all this up. Also, Hannahand Ian and Zach Pagans are down there
on the social digital teams everything thatyou're about to see over the next twenty
four hours. Those five six peopledown there are doing so great job by
them. I could think of worseplaces to be in the summer than Vegas.
But our crew back here Bet saveverybody in the Crack and Front office
who's putting all this together. Man, it's gonna be an exciting, exciting

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time for Seattle moving forward and beforewe get out of here all. So
this is our last chance here tosay thanks. Ben Guero was the starting
for this organization about three years agowhen he left from the San Jose Sharks
to take over the PR operation.Here we were day to day with Ben's
side by side interviews, information coordinatingall of this. He is now moving

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on to a different job as well. His last day, I believe is
coming up tomorrow. He will moveon from after three years of Crack and
Hockey officially, but we cannot thankBen enough for his hard work, his
tireless work as well, and forhelping make our job a lot easier.
Ben, thank you so much.We can't live without you. Yeah,
speaking of making our job easier,this guy Ryant, by the way,

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flawless as usual. Mister Ryan,Tell your son Andrew like he's big enough,
like that handshake I saw the sixteen. Now he comes walking in here,
I'm like, who is this girl? Miami's prouting? Oh man?
So no, but yeah, yeah, so thanks Terry. Thanks soccer.
Also Terry Ryan of course our trustyon site engineer as well, wearing a
lot of hats as well across theboard. Friends as well. Thank you

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for your reaction via the Tulmore Dudetext line and Twitter as well. We're
gonna get out of here again,big thanks Everett Fits you and for them
and Al Koniski. I'm Mike Benton. That's a wrap. Here for first
round coverage of the NHL Entry Draftright here ninety three three KJRFM