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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Our number three of the program. Just after six o'clock.
Justin Rose has the lead at the Masters seven under
Scotty Scheffler at four. Ludwig has a birdie at eighteen
to shoot sixty eight himself. He's at four under Bryce
and playing the eighteenth hole, he could get there. Terrell
Hatton is at minus three as the first.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Round is getting ready to end.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Decki Matsiyama's got a birdie put on the eighteenth hole
that could get him to even That's what Ry McElroy
shot after two doubles on the back nine. Here is
an interesting stat for you, and I don't I need
to look this up for sure. I just saw this
on a video. I swear a Deckie just can't putt
the best ball striker in the world, and I think
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I can output him anyway. I saw this that Masters
champions never have more than one double bogie in a
round in the tournament. And Rory's got too to get
back to even par. So hopefully that if that if
that's the actual So that was just a brandall Chamby
Bleak clip that I saw earlier, and now we'll see
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if that comes to fruition or not. All right, last night,
we had a wonderful moment up in Dallas with a
tribute to Luka Doncic, and there were thank you Luca
Jersey t shirts. And then he went out and dropped
forty five on his old teammates, and the crowd was
channing fire Nico in reference to Nico Harrison making this trade.
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And I just don't understand why people can't see this.
If we let's go back to two thousand and two,
and let's just say that if Pop or Peter Holt
would have walked into RC Buford's office and said, I
really don't want to pay Tim Duncan any more money,
find us a trade. Would you have blamed Peter Holt?
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Would you have blame Pop or would you have blame
the general manager. I'm just throwing out spitball idea of
stupid ideas, because it's a very I think what's happening
in Dallas is is absolutely stupid to fire to h
to blame Nico Harrison for this, I think it would have.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It would have depended on what the return of investment is.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, the return of investment would have been somebody similar
to Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That this what with all the draft picks or whatever
else was in there.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Who cares.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
This was Luca for Anthony Davis, that was the trade.
But it's an Anthony Davis that's thirty two years old,
and we need a big and we don't want to
pay Luca at three hundred and forty five million dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
The only thing I can maybe be comparable to that
would probably be like Tim for Shack the Babe.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
This is this, on paper, is the worst trade in
the history of sports since Babe Ruth was traded to
the Yankees from Boston one hundred and fifteen years one
hundred and ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Even the Minnesota Vikings were laughing. They're like, and people
thought we got we got the Hersha Walker thing was
a better deal for the Vikings than this. And Dallas
is going to be a playing team. They're going to
be the tenth seed.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I can't see them winning any of their playoff games,
so they'll be out soon.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But they do have PJ.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Washington and there's another player I can't come.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Japher Daniel Gaffett.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, so they've got some pieces of the puzzle. And
Kyrie won't be back until at least February next year,
probably all Star break before his acls healed, and they're
looking at the twenty six twenty seven seeds and for
the next time for them to be relevant. But if
your boss walks into your office and comes up with
an idea that you know is the dumbest idea that
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anybody's ever come about, especially if it's a new boss
and he didn't hire you, and that's Mark. I think
Mark Cuban hired Nico Harrison. If and Mark Cuban's no
longer the boss, and if the Addilson family walks into
you and says, we're not paying Luca three forty five,
figure out what we can do. There is no way
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you're trading a player of this magnitude. I don't think
you're making any trade without the president of the team
and the owner of the team understanding what the trade
is and why you're making it. I would go if
the Spurs are gonna trade the a g leaguer, there's
probably some kind of form of communication that's going up
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to ownership.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
They probably know something at that point. At least we
would we would excuse me, We would trust them to
be like, okay, if they're doing that there's a reason
for that. It's not just the money thing. It would
be like there's a reason they know something, but.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Or they don't think the players any good anymore, or
they think he's damaged goods or whatever. But nothing happens
trade wise in professional sports. Obviously, with the Cowboys, Jerry's
the owner and the GM. When he makes a trade,
he's doing it with with as as in representing both parties.
But at eleven thirty eight night on a Saturday night
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in February, a week before the trade deadline, there's no
way that the Dallas Mavericks pulled an eleventh hour trade
in less two or three months ago, the new ownership
group of the Mavericks said, see what we can get
for Luca. We're not paying him three hundred and fifty
million bucks. And for the fans in Dallas to say,
fire Nico. If your boss walked into you and said, hey,
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I know i'm new at this, but I'm not paying
one of your employees the money he's asking for, I
want you to get rid of him.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, but he's our best employee.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
He makes the most, he produces the most, he creates
the most money. I don't care we'll find somebody else
trading for somebody that's almost as good.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And get rid of him.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And if you can find somebody else at a competing
company that's not making very much money, pay him half
of what he's making. And let's call it today, I'm
not paying that guy that much money.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, sir, I don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
We'll either do it or we'll we'll get rid of
you and we'll find somebody that will make that trade.
And that conversation took place in November this year when
Rob Pelinka and Nico Harrison had their first conversation. And
for fans and for I mean Jason McIntyre was all
over this today that Nico Harrison will never get another
job in the history of sports.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah he will.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
He's got to do is going to the next job
interview and said, I did exactly what the ownership told
me to do. I didn't have a choice, and I
was told not to tell the players, and I was
told not to tell Jason Kidd because they didn't want
backlash from it until it was done. This is an
ownership move. And if the owner, if this owner, this
ownership group in Dallas has already made have played their cards. Literally,
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they're casino people. They want a casino in Dallas, and
they want Dan Patrick out of office so they can
get the path cleared for that to happen. And anybody
that thinks that there's any other motive that they have now,
if they had a casino in Dallas right now where
during before and after the game you could play Keno
and blackjack and video poker while you're watching the game,
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they wouldn't care if they paid Luca five hundred million
until they can get that casino legislation passed and build
a new arena, probably with their own money because they
got plenty of it, and with with a casino attached
to it that they can create more revenue. They're probably
not going to be a competitive basketball team. And the
way you become a non competitive basketball team is you
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got the team and start over and you buy yourself
four or five years and four or five years from now,
hopefully we're closer to legislation for there there to be
a casino and a basketball arena where Texas Stadium used
to be.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Next year or the year after, because I don't think
dan Patrick's retiring anytime soon and all indication. I don't
know what the significance of the Lieutenant governor's role is,
but apparently he's the one that decides what gets voted on.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And what doesn't get voted on.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And he is one thousand percent adamant against casino and
sports betting in Texas. And once he is retired or
decides not to, or or I don't even know, if
he gets out, if he runs against somebody else. Apparently
he's won every election he's ever been in, or if
there's a term limit for that, I don't know, but
he's got to go before there's going to be a
casino in Dallas or anywhere else in Texas. And this
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is one thousand percent on that Mark Cuban. Somebody's had
this picture of Mark Cuban sitting in his seat and
shaking his head with his head in his lap when
they were saying fire NCO and the caption was, I
Betty wishes he didn't sell the team.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Now, no, he does it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Mark Cuban made an investment in the Mavericks in nineteen
ninety nine when the NBA was on a rise. Mark
Cuban feels like he has gotten all out of this
investment that he can possibly can get that the NBA,
with its declining ratings, it's no effort towards defense. If
it doesn't change the way it presents itself to the fans,
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is not going to be as viable and as the
return on investment that he got since nineteen ninety nine.
And he I think I don't know what he bought
it for in nineteen ninety nine, but I'm sure he is.
The seventy seven percent that he sold to the Edelson
family is way more than he paid for it, and
he probably made another billion dollars in the sale. And
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that's what That's what people who invest well do. Mark
Cuban's a basketball fan, yes, but he never made any
basketball decisions. He let Don Nelson and Donnie Junior do
all that for a while and he's had others now
doing it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But if.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
He was the owner, he would realize that what Luca
is is a marketing piece. I can sell tickets if
Luca's on a team, no matter how good or bad
we are. That's not something that's registering right now with
the Addleson group. They're all about how do we back
someize revenue. How do we cut expense until we can
get a casino where we have a cash register every
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day in our arena, even when our team's not playing.
The casino's going to be open twenty four to seven,
three sixty five for any degenerate gambler that wants to
come in here and give us their money with the
prayer and hope that they win a jackpot once in
a while, we're going to win. We always win. The
casino always always wins, just like Bert Naro set and casino.
But I'm getting more and more frustrated when I when
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I have you had this conversation with somebody else the
other day. Yeah, Nico Harrison is never going to get
a job again. Well, I'm sure he'll work for an
organization that says, if I tell you what to.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Do, are you going to do it?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
All he has to do is say, well, they want
me to get rid of of uh Luca. And I
thought it was a dumb idea, But I didn't tell
him it was dumb. I just did it because if
they if I didn't do it, somebody else was going
to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
This was not a GM move, This was an ownership move.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And anybody that doesn't realize that there's zero chance that
you're going to tell you're gonna If a billionaire owner
wakes up one morning and his star player is on
the other team, he's walking in the GM's office and goes,
what'd you do?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I just thought this was a good move. I did
it on my own.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I went rogue, all right, pack up your bags, see you,
you're out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'll find a new GM by tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Well, okay, so a few things to that first. First,
Mark Cuban purchased the MATH for a majority stake for
two hundred and eighty five million dollars back in two thousands.
So yes, his return of investment is very very good.
But he sell his share his shares for three point
two three point.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Four something bid return right there.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, about it's a pretty good return. But here's here's
the issue. I think that's something that a lot of
people have, especially with it being Mark Cuban, with everything
that you were saying, you know, oh, he decided to
get out while the getting was good whatever. Because Mark
Cuban has been such a staple part of the MAVs
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organization of how passionate he he's been and how whether
it's vocal or just money wise of going to try
to put together the right pieces, whether it was the
right the white players or right coaches. And now it
was like maybe the fans just felt a little bit
of backstabbing, the betrayal, because it's like, here's your ultimate
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super fan, that's your owner, like Steve Balmer, for instance,
as hardcore of Clippers fans as you.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Could possibly be.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
He's within the crowd, he's you know, hanging out with
the fans, being excited, celebrating with the fans, and all
of a sudden, it's like, no, I'm just going to
care about the money, and I'm just going to act
as if I cared.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I think that's where.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
The frustration comes into some of the fans because of
everything that we've seen and read from Mark Cuban.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Okay, first, first of all, anybody that blames somebody for
selling something that they don't think has value to it
anymore to somebody who does think it has value. That's
why you're not a millionaire or a millionaire. True, Mark
Cuban invested in a product that he was passionate about.
And Mark it's been there's been articles and stories about
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Mark Cuban got tired of being in the NBA. He
got tired of dealing with the day to day operations
of the NBA, and he's been frustrated with the way
the game is played. As I've criticized the league for
not caring about defense. The commissioner gives everything the players
ever asked for. There's never any pushback and the and
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the league has become I mean, there are games like
the other night when I saw the Lakers play Denver.
Uh that that was an exciting game. I want I
want to see more of those. I see about about
every fifth game in the NBA is really exciting. But
there's not enough of those because the players more and
more mailing in the season. Load management is one of
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the worst things that's happened to basketball. But and we
started here in San Antonio, but we started to hear
in San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I believe as a.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Message to David Start in the NBA, quit making the
Marquee game the fourth game of a four games in
five night situation.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Correct, And I think it was a message.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
To the league, let's we're gonna We're gonna send our
players home because we shouldn't be having to play three
games and four nights before we play what is the
most important game of the week on paper for your
national TV audience.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And if you're going to mess.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
With the schedule like that with us, then we're going
to mess with your product. I think that was a protest,
but so many teams now have said all right, and
players now said, oh, my head arts the night. I
think I'll take the night off, and that's killing the league.
In baseball, last year, Juan Soto played one hundred and
fifty one hundred and sixty of one hundred and sixty
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two games.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He missed one.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Game because they thought he had a concussion when he didn't,
and then then Joe Tory said, I'm going to hold
you out one more night, and they almost had a
fight over it. I'm not Joe Tory, but Aaron Boone,
Aaron Boon, Aaron Boone, and he said, I need to
set you out one more night, just want you to rest.
And he was mad about it for three days and
then they went out and had a good game after that.
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But a lot of players don't want to load manage.
A lot of players have the Kobe Mamba mentality. There's
some kid in that stand, that's got my jersey hanging
in his room, and this is the only game he's
ever going to go to, and he's going to be
crying all the way home if I don't play. I mean,
I remember that I went to to a game in
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Los Angeles in nineteen seventy two and there was somebody
on the roster for either the Giants or the Dodgers
that wasn't playing. It was one of those rare nights off,
and it was disappointing that he didn't play. But this
so so, if you're mad at Mark Cuban for selling
the team, get over yourself because he made a business
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decision to divest and cash out. And let me let's
put it on your terms. Mark Cuban paid three hundred
million and made three billion. If I give you, if
you put thirty thousand on the table today and eight
and fifteen years from now, I give you three hundred thousand,
or it may even be more than that, it may
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be three million, whatever the factor is. I'm not doing
a quick math here, but if I give you that
much of a return over ten times return on your investment,
you're not going to take that deal.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Sorry, yes you are. Everybody's gonna take that deal.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Not not if it's a sports franchise, because not only
do you get to have the little card that says
and brag, hey, I'm the owner.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He doesn't care about bragging.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
If you're only in the business for making money, if
you're a fu, if you're a if you're no matter
how passionate you are about something, if your plan is
to make money, and I buy and I buy something,
you buy something for thirty bucks and next week it's
worth three hundred bucks, You're not gonna sell it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
If it's I don't need it or want it anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
If yeah, if I don't need it or want it anymore.
But if it's a sports franchise, I'm going to keep
it and want it forever. Because as a.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Sports fanatic, some people that don't want it forever.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
And I get that, But the whole notion of like
I was saying with Mark Cuban, he looked as if
he was the most die hard fan there was. He
was just another guy that you could go have watch
the game and have beers with. He was so passionate
about about the Mavericks organization. You know, look at how
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Peter Holt was Peter Holt just was just another guy.
Steve Ballmer, he's in the crowd, just another guy celebrating
with fans. You become that passionate. You put out statements saying, hey,
if it was between getting divorced and trading Luka, doncic
go get my lawyer because I'm getting divorced.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You can't say things like that the fans if you
are If you own something and you decide for your
personal reasons that you don't want to own it anymore,
you don't owe it for fans, especially if it's if
it's hemorrhaging money. Now I don't think the Mavericks are
hemorrhaging money, but in Mark Cuban's terms, because we don't
think like billionaires do. I don't think you should be
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mad at Mark Cuban because he decided he wanted to
sell the team and invest in something else. It's gonna
make him more money or make his life less less complicated.
Maybe he didn't have time to go to league meetings,
maybe he wanted to do more Shark Tank episodes.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But he's free to do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
And for you to blame the Luca Docich trade on
Mark Cuban selling the team is ridiculous and ludicrous. And
if you think Nico Harrison made that trade because he
wanted to, he didn't. He did it because his bosses,
which happened to be new and don't really know that
much about basketball, but are pretty good casino magnets, said
get rid of this guy, or we're getting rid of you,
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right and then and then you get the embarrassment of
watching him drop forty five on your team.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Well, if if if you were any type of really
good GM, you would do your darnedness to to tell
your owner this is why this is a bad move,
and try and try to fight it. If nothing else.
Who says he didn't try to fight it. We don't
know that. We don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I mean, I'm sure when that here's what I here's
my thought.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Let's go to break lift. We'll do this on the
other side. Six twenty on the ticket
Our number three of the program. Just after six o'clock.
Justin Rose has the lead at the Masters seven under
Scotty Scheffler at four. Ludwig has a birdie at eighteen
to shoot sixty eight himself. He's at four under Bryce
and playing the eighteenth hole, he could get there. Terrell
Hatton is at minus three as the first.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Round is getting ready to end.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Decki Matsiyama's got a birdie put on the eighteenth hole
that could get him to even That's what Ry McElroy
shot after two doubles on the back nine. Here is
an interesting stat for you, and I don't I need
to look this up for sure. I just saw this
on a video. I swear a Deckie just can't putt
the best ball striker in the world, and I think
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I can output him anyway. I saw this that Masters
champions never have more than one double bogie in a
round in the tournament. And Rory's got too to get
back to even par. So hopefully that if that if
that's the actual So that was just a brandall Chamby
Bleak clip that I saw earlier, and now we'll see
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if that comes to fruition or not. All right, last night,
we had a wonderful moment up in Dallas with a
tribute to Luka Doncic, and there were thank you Luca
Jersey t shirts. And then he went out and dropped
forty five on his old teammates, and the crowd was
channing fire Nico in reference to Nico Harrison making this trade.
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And I just don't understand why people can't see this.
If we let's go back to two thousand and two,
and let's just say that if Pop or Peter Holt
would have walked into RC Buford's office and said, I
really don't want to pay Tim Duncan any more money,
find us a trade. Would you have blamed Peter Holt?
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Would you have blame Pop or would you have blame
the general manager. I'm just throwing out spitball idea of
stupid ideas, because it's a very I think what's happening
in Dallas is is absolutely stupid to fire to h
to blame Nico Harrison for this, I think it would have.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It would have depended on what the return of investment is.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, the return of investment would have been somebody similar
to Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That this what with all the draft picks or whatever
else was in there.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Who cares.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
This was Luca for Anthony Davis, that was the trade.
But it's an Anthony Davis that's thirty two years old,
and we need a big and we don't want to
pay Luca at three hundred and forty five million dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
The only thing I can maybe be comparable to that
would probably be like Tim for Shack the Babe.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
This is this, on paper, is the worst trade in
the history of sports since Babe Ruth was traded to
the Yankees from Boston one hundred and fifteen years one
hundred and ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Even the Minnesota Vikings were laughing. They're like, and people
thought we got we got the Hersha Walker thing was
a better deal for the Vikings than this. And Dallas
is going to be a playing team. They're going to
be the tenth seed.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I can't see them winning any of their playoff games,
so they'll be out soon.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But they do have PJ.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Washington and there's another player I can't come.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Japher Daniel Gaffett.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, so they've got some pieces of the puzzle. And
Kyrie won't be back until at least February next year,
probably all Star break before his acls healed, and they're
looking at the twenty six twenty seven seeds and for
the next time for them to be relevant. But if
your boss walks into your office and comes up with
an idea that you know is the dumbest idea that
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anybody's ever come about, especially if it's a new boss
and he didn't hire you, and that's Mark. I think
Mark Cuban hired Nico Harrison. If and Mark Cuban's no
longer the boss, and if the Addilson family walks into
you and says, we're not paying Luca three forty five,
figure out what we can do. There is no way
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you're trading a player of this magnitude. I don't think
you're making any trade without the president of the team
and the owner of the team understanding what the trade
is and why you're making it. I would go if
the Spurs are gonna trade the a g leaguer, there's
probably some kind of form of communication that's going up
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to ownership.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
They probably know something at that point. At least we
would we would excuse me, We would trust them to
be like, okay, if they're doing that there's a reason
for that. It's not just the money thing. It would
be like there's a reason they know something, but.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Or they don't think the players any good anymore, or
they think he's damaged goods or whatever. But nothing happens
trade wise in professional sports. Obviously, with the Cowboys, Jerry's
the owner and the GM. When he makes a trade,
he's doing it with with as as in representing both parties.
But at eleven thirty eight night on a Saturday night
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in February, a week before the trade deadline, there's no
way that the Dallas Mavericks pulled an eleventh hour trade
in less two or three months ago, the new ownership
group of the Mavericks said, see what we can get
for Luca. We're not paying him three hundred and fifty
million bucks. And for the fans in Dallas to say,
fire Nico. If your boss walked into you and said, hey,
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I know i'm new at this, but I'm not paying
one of your employees the money he's asking for, I
want you to get rid of him.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, but he's our best employee.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
He makes the most, he produces the most, he creates
the most money. I don't care we'll find somebody else
trading for somebody that's almost as good.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And get rid of him.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And if you can find somebody else at a competing
company that's not making very much money, pay him half
of what he's making. And let's call it today, I'm
not paying that guy that much money.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, sir, I don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
We'll either do it or we'll we'll get rid of
you and we'll find somebody that will make that trade.
And that conversation took place in November this year when
Rob Pelinka and Nico Harrison had their first conversation. And
for fans and for I mean Jason McIntyre was all
over this today that Nico Harrison will never get another
job in the history of sports.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah he will.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
He's got to do is going to the next job
interview and said, I did exactly what the ownership told
me to do. I didn't have a choice, and I
was told not to tell the players, and I was
told not to tell Jason Kidd because they didn't want
backlash from it until it was done. This is an
ownership move. And if the owner, if this owner, this
ownership group in Dallas has already made have played their cards. Literally,
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they're casino people. They want a casino in Dallas, and
they want Dan Patrick out of office so they can
get the path cleared for that to happen. And anybody
that thinks that there's any other motive that they have now,
if they had a casino in Dallas right now where
during before and after the game you could play Keno
and blackjack and video poker while you're watching the game,
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they wouldn't care if they paid Luca five hundred million
until they can get that casino legislation passed and build
a new arena, probably with their own money because they
got plenty of it, and with with a casino attached
to it that they can create more revenue. They're probably
not going to be a competitive basketball team. And the
way you become a non competitive basketball team is you
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got the team and start over and you buy yourself
four or five years and four or five years from now,
hopefully we're closer to legislation for there there to be
a casino and a basketball arena where Texas Stadium used
to be.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Next year or the year after, because I don't think
dan Patrick's retiring anytime soon and all indication. I don't
know what the significance of the Lieutenant governor's role is,
but apparently he's the one that decides what gets voted on.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And what doesn't get voted on.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And he is one thousand percent adamant against casino and
sports betting in Texas. And once he is retired or
decides not to, or or I don't even know, if
he gets out, if he runs against somebody else. Apparently
he's won every election he's ever been in, or if
there's a term limit for that, I don't know, but
he's got to go before there's going to be a
casino in Dallas or anywhere else in Texas. And this
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is one thousand percent on that Mark Cuban. Somebody's had
this picture of Mark Cuban sitting in his seat and
shaking his head with his head in his lap when
they were saying fire NCO and the caption was, I
Betty wishes he didn't sell the team.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Now, no, he does it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Mark Cuban made an investment in the Mavericks in nineteen
ninety nine when the NBA was on a rise. Mark
Cuban feels like he has gotten all out of this
investment that he can possibly can get that the NBA,
with its declining ratings, it's no effort towards defense. If
it doesn't change the way it presents itself to the fans,
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is not going to be as viable and as the
return on investment that he got since nineteen ninety nine.
And he I think I don't know what he bought
it for in nineteen ninety nine, but I'm sure he is.
The seventy seven percent that he sold to the Edelson
family is way more than he paid for it, and
he probably made another billion dollars in the sale. And
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that's what That's what people who invest well do. Mark
Cuban's a basketball fan, yes, but he never made any
basketball decisions. He let Don Nelson and Donnie Junior do
all that for a while and he's had others now
doing it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But if.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
He was the owner, he would realize that what Luca
is is a marketing piece. I can sell tickets if
Luca's on a team, no matter how good or bad
we are. That's not something that's registering right now with
the Addleson group. They're all about how do we back
someize revenue. How do we cut expense until we can
get a casino where we have a cash register every
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day in our arena, even when our team's not playing.
The casino's going to be open twenty four to seven,
three sixty five for any degenerate gambler that wants to
come in here and give us their money with the
prayer and hope that they win a jackpot once in
a while, we're going to win. We always win. The
casino always always wins, just like Bert Naro set and casino.
But I'm getting more and more frustrated when I when
(10:04):
I have you had this conversation with somebody else the
other day. Yeah, Nico Harrison is never going to get
a job again. Well, I'm sure he'll work for an
organization that says, if I tell you what to.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Do, are you going to do it?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
All he has to do is say, well, they want
me to get rid of of uh Luca. And I
thought it was a dumb idea, But I didn't tell
him it was dumb. I just did it because if
they if I didn't do it, somebody else was going
to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
This was not a GM move, This was an ownership move.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And anybody that doesn't realize that there's zero chance that
you're going to tell you're gonna If a billionaire owner
wakes up one morning and his star player is on
the other team, he's walking in the GM's office and goes,
what'd you do?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I just thought this was a good move. I did
it on my own.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I went rogue, all right, pack up your bags, see you,
you're out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'll find a new GM by tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Well, okay, so a few things to that first. First,
Mark Cuban purchased the MATH for a majority stake for
two hundred and eighty five million dollars back in two thousands.
So yes, his return of investment is very very good.
But he sell his share his shares for three point
two three point.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Four something bid return right there.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, about it's a pretty good return. But here's here's
the issue. I think that's something that a lot of
people have, especially with it being Mark Cuban, with everything
that you were saying, you know, oh, he decided to
get out while the getting was good whatever. Because Mark
Cuban has been such a staple part of the MAVs
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organization of how passionate he he's been and how whether
it's vocal or just money wise of going to try
to put together the right pieces, whether it was the
right the white players or right coaches. And now it
was like maybe the fans just felt a little bit
of backstabbing, the betrayal, because it's like, here's your ultimate
(11:55):
super fan, that's your owner, like Steve Balmer, for instance,
as hardcore of Clippers fans as you.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Could possibly be.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
He's within the crowd, he's you know, hanging out with
the fans, being excited, celebrating with the fans, and all
of a sudden, it's like, no, I'm just going to
care about the money, and I'm just going to act
as if I cared.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I think that's where.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
The frustration comes into some of the fans because of
everything that we've seen and read from Mark Cuban.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Okay, first, first of all, anybody that blames somebody for
selling something that they don't think has value to it
anymore to somebody who does think it has value. That's
why you're not a millionaire or a millionaire. True, Mark
Cuban invested in a product that he was passionate about.
And Mark it's been there's been articles and stories about
(12:45):
Mark Cuban got tired of being in the NBA. He
got tired of dealing with the day to day operations
of the NBA, and he's been frustrated with the way
the game is played. As I've criticized the league for
not caring about defense. The commissioner gives everything the players
ever asked for. There's never any pushback and the and
(13:05):
the league has become I mean, there are games like
the other night when I saw the Lakers play Denver.
Uh that that was an exciting game. I want I
want to see more of those. I see about about
every fifth game in the NBA is really exciting. But
there's not enough of those because the players more and
more mailing in the season. Load management is one of
(13:27):
the worst things that's happened to basketball. But and we
started here in San Antonio, but we started to hear
in San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I believe as a.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Message to David Start in the NBA, quit making the
Marquee game the fourth game of a four games in
five night situation.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Correct, And I think it was a message.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
To the league, let's we're gonna We're gonna send our
players home because we shouldn't be having to play three
games and four nights before we play what is the
most important game of the week on paper for your
national TV audience.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And if you're going to mess.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
With the schedule like that with us, then we're going
to mess with your product. I think that was a protest,
but so many teams now have said all right, and
players now said, oh, my head arts the night. I
think I'll take the night off, and that's killing the league.
In baseball, last year, Juan Soto played one hundred and
fifty one hundred and sixty of one hundred and sixty
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two games.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He missed one.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Game because they thought he had a concussion when he didn't,
and then then Joe Tory said, I'm going to hold
you out one more night, and they almost had a
fight over it. I'm not Joe Tory, but Aaron Boone,
Aaron Boon, Aaron Boone, and he said, I need to
set you out one more night, just want you to rest.
And he was mad about it for three days and
then they went out and had a good game after that.
(14:44):
But a lot of players don't want to load manage.
A lot of players have the Kobe Mamba mentality. There's
some kid in that stand, that's got my jersey hanging
in his room, and this is the only game he's
ever going to go to, and he's going to be
crying all the way home if I don't play. I mean,
I remember that I went to to a game in
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Los Angeles in nineteen seventy two and there was somebody
on the roster for either the Giants or the Dodgers
that wasn't playing. It was one of those rare nights off,
and it was disappointing that he didn't play. But this
so so, if you're mad at Mark Cuban for selling
the team, get over yourself because he made a business
(15:27):
decision to divest and cash out. And let me let's
put it on your terms. Mark Cuban paid three hundred
million and made three billion. If I give you, if
you put thirty thousand on the table today and eight
and fifteen years from now, I give you three hundred thousand,
or it may even be more than that, it may
(15:48):
be three million, whatever the factor is. I'm not doing
a quick math here, but if I give you that
much of a return over ten times return on your investment,
you're not going to take that deal.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Sorry, yes you are. Everybody's gonna take that deal.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Not not if it's a sports franchise, because not only
do you get to have the little card that says
and brag, hey, I'm the owner.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He doesn't care about bragging.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
If you're only in the business for making money, if
you're a fu, if you're a if you're no matter
how passionate you are about something, if your plan is
to make money, and I buy and I buy something,
you buy something for thirty bucks and next week it's
worth three hundred bucks, You're not gonna sell it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
If it's I don't need it or want it anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
If yeah, if I don't need it or want it anymore.
But if it's a sports franchise, I'm going to keep
it and want it forever. Because as a.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Sports fanatic, some people that don't want it forever.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
And I get that, But the whole notion of like
I was saying with Mark Cuban, he looked as if
he was the most die hard fan there was. He
was just another guy that you could go have watch
the game and have beers with. He was so passionate
about about the Mavericks organization. You know, look at how
(17:05):
Peter Holt was Peter Holt just was just another guy.
Steve Ballmer, he's in the crowd, just another guy celebrating
with fans. You become that passionate. You put out statements saying, hey,
if it was between getting divorced and trading Luka, doncic
go get my lawyer because I'm getting divorced.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You can't say things like that the fans if you
are If you own something and you decide for your
personal reasons that you don't want to own it anymore,
you don't owe it for fans, especially if it's if
it's hemorrhaging money. Now I don't think the Mavericks are
hemorrhaging money, but in Mark Cuban's terms, because we don't
think like billionaires do. I don't think you should be
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mad at Mark Cuban because he decided he wanted to
sell the team and invest in something else. It's gonna
make him more money or make his life less less complicated.
Maybe he didn't have time to go to league meetings,
maybe he wanted to do more Shark Tank episodes.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But he's free to do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
And for you to blame the Luca Docich trade on
Mark Cuban selling the team is ridiculous and ludicrous. And
if you think Nico Harrison made that trade because he
wanted to, he didn't. He did it because his bosses,
which happened to be new and don't really know that
much about basketball, but are pretty good casino magnets, said
get rid of this guy, or we're getting rid of you,
(18:23):
right and then and then you get the embarrassment of
watching him drop forty five on your team.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Well, if if if you were any type of really
good GM, you would do your darnedness to to tell
your owner this is why this is a bad move,
and try and try to fight it. If nothing else.
Who says he didn't try to fight it. We don't
know that. We don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I mean, I'm sure when that here's what I here's
my thought.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Let's go to break lift. We'll do this on the
other side. Six twenty on the ticket
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