Cowboys zeroing in on new head coach and Texas Women's Basketball prepares for Top-25 showdown against Tennessee

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to the program here. I'm thirteen
under the Zone. My name is Craig Wait. Thanks very
much for joining. It's glad to have you with us.
Also happy that us includes the producer of this program,
Cameron D.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Parker.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
The D on the birth certificate stands for Dallas, as
in his favorite NFL.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Team that's still.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Is without a head coach, the only team with an
NFL head coaching vacancy.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
What are they going to do? Good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
By the way, good afternoon, are you just trying to
ruin my days by opening up the show always Dallas
cowboy conversation.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm just too bit because that's your middle name and
you were named obviously that's not a joke. To let
people know that is not a joke, Cameron. The way
that Cameron explained it to me, his mom and dad
decided on Dallas as the middle name because your dad
really kind of favored it as your first name.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
I never should tell you that. I should have just
want it to be named after Jr. From the TV show,
or I would have had a lot of fun with
that too. But you know he wanted you to be
Dallas Parker. I think so, and your mom and I
got a chance to meet Cam's mom last Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
What a wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Lady she was at the She was at the basketball
game Saturday in Gainsville, Florida. She lives in Jacksonville. And
then what she took you off for a fine dinner?
Didn't she get to the game downtown Gainesville?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
That's pretty good? They had a downtown Gainesville, Florida. If
I was just a swamp.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
So they but they compromised, right, because your dad wanted
to name your Dallas, your mom did not. They compromised
and made that your middle name. Okay, so I'm not
making any of that up. And the reason they went
with Dallas was because your dad, at least at the
time for quite a while afterwards, was as big a

(01:45):
Dallas Cowboys fan as you were, at least for a
time such as it was. But their missteps and misdeeds
and unfortunate endings to their seasons of the past few
years have really derailed the both of you when it
comes nowt Your dad isn't as drastic about it as
you are, right, I mean, he's still he'll watch the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
He's you told me he watches him for a laugh. Yeah,
I think he's checked out too, really, Like I bet
you if you asked him, like he may have known
the microccarthy's been fired. I'm not sure if he knows
that yet. Oh stop, I'm serious, he's I think he.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Also checked out as well. He's mostly just in the
ut right now.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Okay, okay, all right. So anyway, that's that's why I
bring it up. But also it is a salient point.
It is a valid worthy topic that the Cowboys still
do not have a head coach.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
So I understand, I understand.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
That you are kind of out on him right now,
but I would imagine that you are at the very
least interested in what's going on with him and trying
to get a head coach.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Right Ah, they're about to hire Ryan Schottenheimer, who, by
the way, I used to wash his dad's car at
Carolina Springs Auto Spaw in Cordelator.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
North Carolina. Whe he got fired by the Buffalo Bills.
You washed Marty shot in the Heimer's.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Carty would come in after he got let go by
the Bills, and he lived in the Peninsula Club in Cornelia's,
North Carolina Lake Norman and I would see him and
you would usually be grumbling, still pissed off about how
his tenure and in Buffalo, yeah, his son's maybe the
Dallas Cowboys head coach. Let me ask you this, Craig,
If looking at all the NFL teams and from a

(03:44):
fan base point of view, who are the worst teams
to be a fan of for the next five years?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
The next five year outlook? Who would be the worst
teams to root for?

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I think if the Cowboys do hire shot In Himer,
and either they hire Kellen Moore or Joe Brady, I
think the Cowboys are in the top five that list.
I think you go with what Jacksonville because I don't
think Jacksonville's gonna make a good head coaching move. Probably Cleveland,
just because Cleveland just cannot seem to get over the
hump and Deshaun Watson contract is so bad. But I
think the Cowboys are the top five. I would argue

(04:14):
there right now. If you're a Dallas Cowboy fan, the
next five years look bleak.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Would you have any interest in the Cowboys hiring Doug Peterson?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Oh my god, that'd be even worse. He won a
Super Bowl. Well, so did Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, he won a Super Bowl because Bill Belichick what
suspended his best cornerback before the game and they could
just could not stop Nick Foles.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Man.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, okay, I think I.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Cowboys are better off with Mike McCarthy as their head
coach for Schottenheimer or Kellen Moore or Doug Peterson or
Rex Ryan or whoever. Okay, they had a five hour
meeting yesterday. What happens in a five hour meeting with
Jerry Jones.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Well, you'd probably go to lunch at some point. I
think he'd probably do that.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I mean, remember McCarthy slept on Jerry's couch when he
got hired.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. And he also said
he'd been watching film for years.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, he had been studying and at the offenses. Yeah,
he wasn't the offensive coordinator until I wasn't calling the
plays until I think maybe this year. I don't, I
don't know, but yeah, I touxted my Carolina Panther fans.
I said, are my friends like congratulations? I think Panthers
are in a much better spot than the Cowboys are
the next five years. Really, I think so. I think

(05:27):
Canals is a good head coach. Bryce Shung appears to
be their their cornerback, quarterback for the future. I'm not
sure where.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You stand on Dak Prescott. I've heard mixed things from.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Me on it.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
I think he's in the same conversation as like Jared Goff.
He's not going to win you Super Bowl, but he
can definitely cost you one. You just need him to
be able to manage the game. But you need him
in a good offense with a good offensive line and
good weapons. And you know, outside of ceed Land, the
Cowboys just don't have the weapons. The over line got
better this year, but it's still a major question mark,
and you know his his the defenses have gotten worse

(06:02):
every single year or so.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
All Right, So I'm gonna ask this question again, and
I want you to give me as realistic an answer
as you can give. Not who you think the Cowboys
will hire as their new head coach, because nobody knows
what Jerry's thinking, nobody really and truly. So I'm not
asking that. I'm asking you of the available candidates out there,

(06:27):
both interviewed and not and not interviewed at least not
yet anyway, who would you want as a as a
disenfranchised Cowboys fan, who would you want them to hire.
That's tough because all the ones I would have liked
him to hire have already been the higher down, right,
have been hired.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
So h.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Man, that's it's tough.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Maybe someone like Pete Carroll, just the CEO type, but
he's also.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
What eighty years old? Yeah, yeah, so you're.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Looking at a couple of years hold over until you
know he decides to retire, just gets too old. The
coach at seventy three. So seventy three.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
So you you and you and Jerry have something in common.
You're both have an interest in retread NFL coaches. Yeah,
but that's why I asked Doug Peterson.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
But he's an awful coach. I don't think he was
a good head coach in Philadelphia. I know he won
Super Bowl, but I think he kind of just stumbled
into that. I mean they fired him what year after Yeah,
after that. I mean, you don't fire a head coach
unless there's something, unless he truly sucks.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Right yeah, okay, all right, So okay, so Pete Carroll
would be your call. I would try and go after
a coach who's probably already has a job, like I like,
I like Todd Bowles, Liam Cohens getting some getting some looks.
Just you know, he's only had one year as the
OCA in Tampa Bay. But I like something like that.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know, I don't think Tomlin's ever going to leave Pittsburgh, right,
That's the only thing.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
And I don't think he'd ever worked for Jerry. I
can't see that happening off of that. Okay, Well, anyway,
I was just kind of curious about that because I'd
given it some thought and just kind of wondered, you know,
where you stood as a like I said, disenfranchised Cowboys fan.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I would love if you know, maybe La or San
Frank got a little bit tired, and I was like,
you know what, Kyle, Sean's not working out. But then
I don't trust Jerry to make.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
The move to do that.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Shanahan would be a more likely can A thing than mcvayh.
He's a California guy now and all that. But I
will tell you who probably who stars on the Rise,
and I'm glad his name hasn't been mentioned that much.
That's Chris Shula, the defensive coordinator for the Rams.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Young coach Grandson. They talked about coaching pedigree.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Grandson of the all time winning as coach in NFL history, Nonchula.
I think Jerry probably would try to hire Don before
Chris at this point. See, I like going after the
young and upcoming coordinators. You know, maybe it works out,
maybe it doesn't. It's hard to hard to really, you
know know, but I think going after an older coach,

(09:07):
like I say, Pete Carroll, but you know, that probably
wouldn't work out. But I don't know what other choices like.
I do not want to hire Kellen Moore. I do
not think the Eagles offense is good. I think the
Eagles offense is just Saquon Barkley at this point. Okay,
so you're okay with it being a coordinator, young coordinator,
but it's just got to be the young coordinator that
you want, not not just most any young coordinator.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, just because you're you know, you're young and innovative
doesn't mean you're you're a good coach, right.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Or that you're head coaching material. And that I think
is the mistake that gets made.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah. Sure, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
That was what was said about Chris Shula's dad, David Schuler.
Remember he was coach of the Bengals and they just
said he was a good coordinator, but he won the
head coach. There are people who feel that way about
Todd Bowles, that you know, he's when he was at
the Jets, but the Jets were just so dispunct Yeah,

(10:03):
such a beast. He's done a far better job at
Tampa Bay, yet they can't get over the hump. They're
in the playoffs there with him. But they're those who
share that opinion that he's a great coordinator that might
not be a great head coach. And that's why I
said that about David Chuler. There's been other guys, you know,
that was said about dan Quinn.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Now he's proving them wrong right now with what he's
doing with Washington.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
I was okay with Cowboys letting McCarthy go and promoting
dan quincause at least dan Quinn's been to a Super Bowl, yep,
in the last you know, five six years. What about
what about this name Bruce arians.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well again you're going back, Yeah, but he won our
Super Bowl this decade, right, he did, and he seems,
you know, he's kind of kind of a no nonsense
type guy.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Obviously did have a great relationship with but I think
Brady that's why he bulls took over, right.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I think that last season was yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
And yeah he and he and Arians did not get
along towards the end there, so yeah, I mean, he's
got a pedigree.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
But he's not been an Indian name.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
So it's either going to be Schottenheimer or Kellen Moore.
But at this point, unless Kellen Moore just really likes
the Dallas and the Cowboys, like, I don't know if
I would really want to take that job, but I
don't know. It's the head coaching job, is one of
the most popular teams, but it's not an attractive job.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
I mean, we heard Troy Ankman talk about it. He said,
it's not an attractive job.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
They have somebody said about it being attractive, and he goes,
I might have some doubt about that. Yeah, he was
his quote because of the Jerry dynamic as much as anything.
And yeah, the expectation that comes with and all this stuff.
The expectation was always there with the Cowboys. It was
there when Clint Maurkuson owned the team, but once they
got good in the mid sixties and then carried through

(11:49):
the seventies, and then when bum Bright owned the team
and then Jerry, and it's always been there, the expectation
of success and that sort of thing, but with Jerry,
it takes it to a completely different level because of
the dynamic and the way he runs that runs that
football team.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
So anyway, all right, we've got a lot of things
to get to in the program.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I just wanted to get some NFL stuff out there
on the table.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Coming up.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
We're gonna hear and we're gonna hear this. We're gonna
hear parts in all three hours of the show today
from Vick Shaffer. Texas women's head coach have a massive
game tonight. It's an SEC game, it's a conference game,
but it's against Tennessee, two longtime traditional powers in women's
college basketball. Texas is number seven, Tennessee is number seventeen.
You can hear the game on one of three point

(12:33):
one FM, Austin's eighties station that'll come your way six
forty five air times seven o'clock tip. The tip off
moved one hour up from when it was originally gonna
be at eight o'clock because they had to do some
shuffling with the television schedule because LSU couldn't get to
South Carolina due to the snowstorms there in Louisiana, so

(12:53):
that game got pushed back to tomorrow afternoon. They're playing
that game in Columbia and Texas game has moved up
one hour, so the Texas women are in action tonight
at seven o'clock against Tennessee. We're going to hear the
first part of this from Vick Schaeffer coming up here
on this Thursday afternoon on Hey, I'm thirteen under the zone.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
It's the Craig Way Show with the voice of the
Texas Longhorns in Hall of Vain Broadcasting.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
Craig Way, happy.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
To have you with us on a Thursday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Hey, a reminder we have long warn weekly tonight with
Rodney Terry coming away from Pluckers the West Campus location
here in Austin six o'clock. RT will be with us
and hope you can come on. I always have a
good conversation with the Longhorns head coach. You can enjoy
some great wings so you can submit questions for Rodney
to ask. Will beat a member of the corral? If

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the corral existed when you were a student, would you
have been in the corral?

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Probably not, because I was always either in the press
area or running around for LHN. You know, I never
I don't think I ever attended Texas basketball game as
just a student.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I think I was always working, though. I think you
have kind of gone the same route I have. When
I was in college at North.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Texas now football, every football game, I wasn't working. I
was in the student section.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, when I was at North Texas, I started doing
those kinds of things, working on the things. So I
wouldn't say I deprived myself of an opportunity to enjoy
it as a student. But it's a different path. You
choose the route you want to go with that. It
worked out okay for me. Yeah, it's it's kind of
you know, it's a trade off, right, Yeah, I'm still

(14:49):
involved with the game. You see the game and all
that kind of Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
I love being able to watch basketball games as a fan. Now,
of course I can't do it in the student section
or from a seat, but I get to do it
from part side.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Heats it on. I just got to be able to
make sure I do my job and then to the games.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
But when you were a student, you wouldn't have gotten
down there with like Bevo hat guy, T shirt girl,
and all the other ones down there in the deal
and yelling and hurling team.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
So you know, I was at I was a student
for the last the last two of the last three
years of shotcas tenure. We weren't very good. Texas was
not very good during those those two years. So now
the teams under Beard or our team, you know, maybe

(15:35):
I would have pushed more. Okay, maybe I would have
pushed more women's games possibly, you know. Now, I went
the baseball games at the student too. I just I
think it was because of what my my roles were
a student media sure and my internship at ESPN that
I was we always had basketball.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Games to work.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's a good point, all right.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Speaking of basketball, the Texas women, as we mentioned, rank
seven of the country, coming off that very impress a
blowout win of thirty eight points, a thirty eight point
march over number eight Maryland on Monday evening in Newark.
Now return to conference play. They take on Tennessee the
Lady Valls, who are seventeenth in the country. But they

(16:14):
have been really, really good, as you'll hear from the
head coach. So here are from his media availability some
comments and thoughts and statements and some questions for long words.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Head coach Vic Shaffer, Good afternoon, everybody, appreciate y'all being
on today, beautiful day here in Austin, Texas, a lot
better than it was yesterday. Obviously, got to get ready
to play. Obviously a tremendous team in Tennessee team that's

(16:47):
lost three games by a total of four points. Their
average in eighty five and a half points a game.
Just a tremendous offensive team. Play extremely hard defensively, gonna
press like we do, pick up full court, and really
challenge you every possession. It's a heck of a team.

(17:13):
Coach has done a great job with them, and they
are really playing at an extremely high level. We've got
our work cut out for us, no question about it.
I mean, I can't remember the last time I've gotten
ready for a conference opponent who in conference only is

(17:36):
averaging almost eighty six points a game. I mean, that
is a prolific offensive team. They're going to play, you know,
ten to eleven kids. They're going to challenge you substitution
wise with multiple and mass substitutions. And again, they're extremely talented.

(17:56):
Just really remind me of some of the old Tennessee
teams of years gone by that are just all tra athletic,
play their guts out, rebound it defend. So uh again,
well we'll have our work cut out for us. Obviously,
the game time has been changed to seven uh, and

(18:19):
it's gonna be on ESPN, and we're gonna honor Shay
Holly is the all time winning his player in Texas
basketball history, which will be special. And again it's I
think it's our our we backpack game as well, which
again we're awfully proud to be a part of. So,

(18:43):
you know, short turnaround for us, having played Monday, got
home Monday night at twelve thirty one o'clock in the morning,
got back after it yesterday afternoon, didn't do a whole
lot just because I couldn't with them. But then we'll
have a good day of prepay and we've got to
get ready to play, you know, top fifteen team. So

(19:06):
they're really good and we're gonna have to play really well.
Thanks coach, Let's start with Mark and then Kirk Mark
go ahead, Yeah, how do.

Speaker 8 (19:17):
You cover all that space defensively when you have a
team who that shoots more threes and makes more threes
than anyone, but also leads the nation. I believe in
offensive rebounding, which seems to put a lot of pressure
on a defense.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, like I said, Mark, they're really talented. They make
ten threes a game. They made thirty three threes in
a game earlier this year, y'all. I don't know what
else to tell you. They are prolific scoreres offensively, They're
really really talented. We're going to have to really, you know,

(19:53):
have great focus each and every possession tomorrow night, not
only and handling their pressure in the press, but then
execute an offense because we're gonna have to try to
keep up a little bit on offense. I don't think
we're gonna go out and shut them down, hold them

(20:13):
to fifty points. They're just they're just too good, you know.
But we've done a good job all year for the
most part of taking away the three point line with
certain opponents, and you know this team will be no different.
We're gonna have to really be good out there. But

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then you got to you got to also guard against
the rest of it. And and so it's gonna challenge
us and we're gonna have to be really good, really
solid take advantage when we do get an advantage to
go make a layup against the press, got to go
make your layup. You can't go down there and brick
it or you know, miss it. When you get a

(20:55):
chance for a two on one, you got to go
lay it in. So we've got to be really good.
We can't turn the ball over. You know, they they've
had games where they've gotten thirty points off turnovers. You
know they're forcing you know their opponents, and you know,
twenty point seven turnovers a game in conference in conference,

(21:17):
like that's really good. So we're gonna have to take
care of the ball. And it's not just a one
person deal on that. You know. I know Rory and
Brie will be challenged at point, but you know in
my offense, everybody touches it. You're gonna have to make
good decisions, hurt good.

Speaker 9 (21:38):
Yeah, Vica, I'd just like to ask you about your
two stars and Maddie and Rory and how good was
it to see her break out like that? And Rory
is I don't know, is there a better player gonna
have more impact on a game without scoring than Rory?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, I just told her the other night. You know,
she's all worked up about going one for seven and
I'm like, Rory, you had seven assists. You're picking up
full court ninety four feet like there's not another garden
the country. I say this all the time. That does
what Rory Harmon does. And we score eighty nine points

(22:16):
and she made one shot. That's how good offensively we
can be. And she's you know, she's the quarterback, she's
the one running the show on that deal. When you
have a Madison Booker who sees the floor and is
a point forward, it just adds a dimension to your team.

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What those two create for each other is really special.
And again it's what allows our team to be so good.
And when you've got a two headed monster like we've
got in Taylor and Oldacre, who are shooting it in
a very high level in the sixties, averaging double doubles,

(23:01):
you know, we really have a team that's hard to
deal with. So it was great to see Booker get
on track the other night. She's been really playing well. Again.
I think both those kids deserve some grace because you know,
we're in a different league going against different types and

(23:24):
kinds of players now, different strategies, great coaches. Not that
the league I was in what didn't have great coaches.
But the athlete, the athleticism, the quickness, the size that
our team is dealing with right now is a little
bit different than the Big twelve and Bookers at the
top of everybody's scouting report. She's a nineteen year old

(23:47):
kid man. She's fine and she's doing a great job.
She's so unselfish. That's what makes the kids so special.
And again being a point forward, she had three us
no turnovers the other night. She enjoys the assist as
much as the bucket. But again she's not deterred. She

(24:13):
just works hard. She just stays in the gym. Hearn
Blair shoot every day. They stay after it. You know,
Rory Harmon in the gym every day, she stays after it.
Those two are pros. You know that when you look
at at them and their work ethic, that's what a
pro looks like. Their approach to the game, That's what

(24:35):
it looks like as a pro. And it's also what
it looks like in the professional workplace too, to have
that attitude. And so I think when you when you
have that shase, such an unselfish guard out there as
the third guard, and that you know, that threesome and
she just play. Let's plays off those two. If you're

(24:56):
gonna go guard those two and you ain't gonna guard her, well,
then she'll go to for from three. You know, she'll
drive it and lay it in. She'll get out on
the break and get you four points on fast breaks
and then amo again if she's feeling good and comfortable.
And you know, she's a pretty effective four player. And

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so we've got some really you know, we've got a
good team. And I think that's what makes us special
and has the chance to be really good, is that
you can't just focus on one player because the rest
of our team can pick up the slack.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's Longhorn's head coach Vick Shaffer talking about this big
match up with Tennessee, and he was talking in specifics
about Madison Booker and Rory Harmon and other players. We'll
hear more from him next hour and in the four
o'clock hour as he starts to get into the breakdown
of the matchup with Tennessee. That was from his media
availability from yesterday in the game the games at seven
o'clock to night up next inconceivable when we continue here

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second message, so it could be your question, comment you're
thought any of that. That's the talk back feature, So
a couple of ways to access us if you'd like
to do that. We heard some from Vick Shae from
the first hour of the program. We'll hear some more
from him coming up in a few minutes on the

(27:15):
tax line. You know, it was an hour ago, Cameron,
when we were talking about the Dallas Cowboys coaching vacancy,
and I asked you the very difficult question about who
you would want to see somebody ask any easier question.
They say, who don't you want?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Who? Don't think that's fair? I know, I just I
sound like I'm just complaining all the time.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Who I want has been hired Sean Payton, Mike Frabel,
Bill Belichick, three actual good coaches that Jerry Jones continues
to just sit on his hands and not do anything about.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
You would have been okay with Ben Johnson.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn uh, Robert Slow, wouldn't have been
as bad as Brian Schottenheimer. Okay, it looks like slas
going to the Jaguars. And also I don't think Jerry
Jones even knows who Robert Salad is, so mm And
also I think a lot of this frustration I just
don't don't think it also matters too much with the
head coaches, because as long as the Jones family are

(28:08):
making the personnel decisions, then I don't think.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Anything the head coach is nearly a puppet.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
You're saying, yeah, and that's that's and that's why the
last couple of head coaches have been yes man McCarthy,
Jason Garrett. I mean, if Brian Schottenheimer was a free
agent right now, would he be up for head coaching jobs?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
No, Jason. What happened?

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Jason Garrey went to the Giants for some reason, and
I don't understand any of them. I mean, the Giants
hired what Joe Judge was a special teams coach, right,
and then he got the head coaching job, So I'm
not going to trust his judgment too much. And the
way that John Marr is involved in an organization, you know,
it may have been one of those things where he
just liked Jason Garrett.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
So come down to yes man.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
I mean, as you know, Craig, you know Jerry's you know,
feuded with a lot of you know Jimmy Johnson.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Okay, how that ended. So it's true. It's true.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
And even the coaches that he quote unquote had good
relationships with following his time with Jimmy, when he had
Barry Switzer especially, he and Barry got along well. But
the problem with Switzer is almost none of the media
liked him, and a lot of the fans didn't like him.
And they figured the one Super Bowl that they won,
Super Bowl thirty, obviously was with all of the stockpile

(29:22):
talent that Jimmy as basically acting as the personnel and
GM guy accumulated through the trades like the herschel Walker trade,
a couple of the other trades that he put that together.
And when Jerry said at the owners meetings there in
the spring of ninety four, after the Cowboys went back

(29:43):
to back Super Bowls, that he could hire any one
of five hundred coaches that could coach the team, and
that was the beginning of the end with Jimmy. He
proceeded to prove it that he could put somebody in
there like Barry Switzer to as long as all the
talent was there, and when a super and they did.
Now they did lose to San Francisco the year before

(30:03):
in the NFC Championship, and then the forty nine Ers
went on and won the Super Bowl to beat the Chargers,
and then they won it over the Steelers in Super
Bowl thirty, and then they got beats by I believe
it was Carolina in the playoffs, and then I think
the Cardinals in the playoffs, and that was pretty much
the beginning of the end. And every coach after that

(30:24):
that they've had, from Chan Gaily to Dave Campo, you know,
in the Jason to Wade Phillips, and then in the
Jason Garrett and then into Mike McCarthy has been guys
who are towing the company line. Well, the problem with
the company line is is if the personnel isn't of

(30:48):
championship caliber or if it's close to, but you really
need good coaching to get it over the top. That
had happened, and so that's that's why Cowboy fans are disaffected.
Disenfranchised fans like yourself are just you know, you're kind

(31:10):
of fed up with it and you're kind of used
to it, and seeing the route that it's gone, it's
very frustrating. I understand that the Rams went through decades
of that as well, when Georgia Frontier was the owner
and then there's another ownership group.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
It was bad.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
The Dodgers went through that. That Frank McCourt ownership was
a disaster where he was using team profits to pay
off his very costly divorce and stuff like that. I mean,
a bad owner can wreck, absolutely wreck a franchise. In
the case of the Cowboys, it's different though. Why you know,

(31:45):
while Jerry Jones and his family are to blame and
they are the sole perpetrators of the blame for what
has happened to that franchise, they are enabled to do
so by the fans who continue to buy the twenty
nine dollars party passes and to sell out the season
tickets and those and I also get it as well,

(32:06):
and this has been pointed out by a lot of
various two people that this cycle may never end, if
only because the companies and corporations who buy suites and
pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in it use it
as tax write offs and cost of doing business. So

(32:27):
Jerry is still going to make the money, and as
long as he's bringing into the money, he's going to
do it. How he wants to do it. The only
way to get him to change would be for him
to be hit in the wallet.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
And that's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Fans are going to keep buying tickets, and if nothing else,
fans of opposing teams will continue to buy tickets and
come in. You know, when we play the Lions and
tell Lions fans are packing him in. When the Packers
play in there, Packer fans pack the place. So as
long as that's happening, he's still getting what he wants.

(33:00):
He's still getting the profits, and as such, he's happy
with what he has his coach until it's time to
make a change.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Now. You made a good.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Point, and I read about it as well, how they
were apparently perfectly happy to have Mike McCarthy continue as
head coach. It was McCarthy who wanted a longer term
commitment and Jerry was like, Eh, let's go one year
at a time. Let's see this is MacCarthy's Likeking, I
don't want that, and so he's out now. He may
have cut off his nose to spite his face, because
I don't see him winding up anywhere with a coaching

(33:29):
job right now.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
But he didn't want that. He wanted a longer term
deal then Jerry and the organization was willing to give him.
So they continue to just spin it in circles and
chase their tail.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
But that's where the Cowboys are, and I think that's
what's driving you nuts and a lot of other fans
who are very, very loyal for a long time, is
that there is no end in sight of when this
And that's the frustration I read from Cowboy fans on
social media and here and things like that, is that
there's no end in sight, no relief inside of any

(34:10):
of this.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
And there's no real plan this right.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
I mean, it kind of seems like Jerry Jones wanted
to keep Mike McCarthy but didn't want to pay him
a lot of money because Jerry.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Didn't want to commit to a long term.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Notorious for not you know, he balked at what Wade
Phillips getting three million a year? Andy Reid makes how
much a year? Twenty million the year, So that's one
part of it. McCarthy realizes, you know what, screw this,
I'm out. I'd rather either go coach somewhere else or
just not deal with this mess. And Jerry's like, oh, okay,

(34:42):
well we'll shoot. What's my backup plan? Doesn't have a
backup plan? You didn't think about. That's why he interviewed
Brian Schottenheimer for five hours. I mean, Craig, I could
have been the OC for the Cowboys last year. I
would probably be in line to get the head coaching job,
because that's how Jerry Jones has been working this whole
debacle as of Hey, no plan at all. So that's
that's what frustrates Cowboys fans as well. I mean, I

(35:05):
think the the Longhorns right now we're hiring a head coach.
I think I would have a lot more people in
my life who are Longhorns fans reaching out talking to
me about who the next head coach would be. It
was the same thing when Steve sarakishan Cowboy fans. I
haven't got a text message from anybody. I gotten a
text metches for my friends who are making fun of
the Cowboys, which all by all means go for it.

(35:27):
So I think I think that's the where the fan
bases at. I mean, we read through our text line, Craig,
and it's just, you know, people just talk bashing on
Jerry Jones, right, and you.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Know there's no one. No one here seems hopeful.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
You said, as a teenager growing up in North Carolina,
used to wash Brian Schottenheimer's dad's car. Marty Schottenheimer, the
legendary coach of the Browns and coach the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
And then and then then did I guess with Buffalo?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Did?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Is that right? He used to wash his car.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, he came through because he lived in in North Carolina.
This isn't passed. When he was retired right just up
north of Charlotte. He was in Buffalo for a little bit. Yeah,
let's see what was he Buffalo? And I'm sorry, I
think I think of San Diego. He was coaching in
San Diego, was I think it's more San Diego, Yeah,
not Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
He played for Buffalo back in the AFL days in
the sixties. If you've ever seen any of those old documentaries,
his name is so long that it starts the S
and Schottenheimer like basically on his near his elbow, on
his left arm, and then it rolls shot in Heimer
all the way around to almost his right elbow. It's

(36:36):
like the longest name off of that deal. So I
just wondered if he ever wore that jersey when he
came in there.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
No, I never did. You never got him in his BMW.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Okay, all right, it was San Diego and the thing
at that time, I think that was Anthony lenn As
the head coach. They weren't doing too well and he
didn't have a lot of nice things to say about
his time in San Diego.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, yeah, okay, imagine that.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
All right.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Up next, we're gonna hear more from jaxas women's basketed
coach Vick Shae from the eve of tonight's big game
with Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
When we continue on thirteen under the Zone, We're back.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
It's the Craigway Show with Hall of Fame broadcaster and
voice of the Texas Longhearts Craig Way.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
You know, we mentioned earlier that the game between LSU
and South Carolina, two of the top women's programs in
the country. Of course, South Carolina defending national champions, got
postponed to tomorrow because of the snow in Louisiana. The
snow in Louisiana postponed other games as well, including a
game in the Sun Belt Conference on the men's side

(37:45):
between Louisiana and Texas State. They were to have played
in the Cajun Dome. That's the basketball arena. There's an
ice basketball aren I don't think I did a game
in there one time when North Texas played in there
and part of their lighting was big chandeliers they had
in that in the Cajun Dome in Louisiana. Well anyway

(38:08):
there in Lafayette, and they had a ton of snow there,
record amount of snow. So Texas State was supposed to
play there, couldn't play there earlier. They're playing right now
and it's eleven to nine. The Popcats are leading in
the first half at about the thirteen minute mark.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
It's not as much of a.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Slog as it was for Texas men against Missouri when
it was two to one at the first time outs
and five to four at the second time out of
the game.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
The under twelve time out of that one.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
The Baylor Kansas State game last night followed a similar path.
It was very similar to that Baylor was able to
kick it in the high gear in the final minutes
and pull away from k State after trailing guy spending
his twelve in the first half. Kansas was also down,
took a punch or two from TCU, got to and
got off the deck and won that contest to go
the big game against Houston this weekend. But as we

(39:05):
mentioned on the women's side, it is Texas and Tennessee
tonight being moved up one hour to seven because of
the post pullman of that LSU South Carolina game. So
let's hear some more about that matchup and about his
own team from Long Worn's head coach Vic Shaffer.

Speaker 10 (39:23):
Hey, Vic, you know in the in the games where
you guys have gotten off the great starts, it just
seems like to me, you guys have done a better
job attacking the rim, attacking the paint, and using the
mid range shots before really going to the threes. And
my question is number one, is there a specific focus

(39:45):
on that to get you guys out of the gate quick?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I think our focus is always punched first, and you know,
our kids. Booker said it best the other night. She
feels like, if we're locked in on defense, that says
a lot about our focus on offense and our focus
in the game in general. Plus, our kids enjoy getting

(40:12):
out on the break and going in transition. You know,
we're doing a great job and our secondary. Look right now,
I can have the ball in Booker's hands or Rory's
hands in secondary and we're probably gonna get something really
good out of that. So I think, you know, our

(40:33):
bigs are running the floor well right now. And so
I just think, like she said, when we're locked in
on defense, it really shows that we're locked in on
both ends. And you know, it's funny and coaching, we
spend so much time on certain things.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
But if your team is holding people to let's.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Just say thirty five percent field goal for Centi's defense,
why wouldn't you work sixty five percent of your practice
on transition offense.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
It's not how it works, but that's the way you know,
you you would think, well, coach, you're if you're sixty
five percent of the games in transition, why aren't you
working more on that?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
And so I think we do. I think we spend
time on it. It's important to us because we're you know,
when we're locked in defensively, we do get some opportunities
in transition, and obviously we've got some kids that can
really make some great plays out there in the open floor. Well,
let's go to ap AP go ahead.

Speaker 11 (41:43):
Go stringure out on the winter on Monday. A question
for you about scouting Tennessee. I feel like you talk
all the time about facing teams that are hot or
on a hot street. But for you, guys, how how
dangerous is that when you're going up against a team
like Tennessee who's coming off a really hard breaking buzzer
beater low.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, I mean that, you know, ninety one, eighty six,
eighty seven, ninety three, eighty six, that's five of their
last six games offensively, they got beat seventy one to
seventy at Vanderbilt, and they didn't turn Vanderbilt over that much,
and so that's why that game was in the seventies

(42:25):
instead of the eighties or nineties. You know, I've as
I've watched them throughout the course of the year. I mean,
I think they're obviously they're very talented, but I think
they're resilient. I think they have a way that they
want to play, and they're going to try to impose
their will on you to play that way. And so

(42:48):
you know, I've spent my staff and I we've spent
a lot of time. But it's unique, but we got
to take care of the ball. That's number one. Tomorrow night,
we can't be throwing that thing all over the gym.
And then number two, we've got to do what we
do at Texas and execute, get our shots, and defend

(43:11):
like we want to defend two. And again, it's a
great challenge offensively. I mean, you've got kids averaging nineteen, seventeen, fourteen,
ten and a half and ten. Okay, that's they're starting five.
So somebody averaging ten points in the SEC is capable
of going for twenty. And those that are averaging nineteen

(43:36):
obviously they're getting that every night. Some night's getting way more.
So it's a big challenge for us. But again, I
know my kids will be excited about the challenge and
excited about the opportunity. Danny, go ahead, Vic.

Speaker 12 (43:54):
They're probably some of your fans and some people around
the country who would argue that is probably the biggest
rivalry for this programs because of what Jody and Pat
did and the history of these programs. I was kind
of wondering, what are your thoughts on did history of
this rivalry and I guess kind of resuming it with
this new SEC wrinkle.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, for sure. When I when I took the job.
This was a game that had been on the schedule.
Tennessee and Stanford had been on the schedule a lot,
and UH coach Summitt and coach Conrad had played each
other every year forever until COVID hit and we had
the hiccup here, and so, you know, honored to be

(44:37):
a part of that legacy. You know, again, I grew
up in that day. I grew up watching those two
Hall of famers go at it. You know, I can
remember watching the games when one team might be number
one or two in the country, another might not be,

(44:59):
but you know, number fifteen or sixteen and number fifteen
or sixteen won the game, just watching those two go
at it and how they went at it, you know,
with their teams, how hard they played the execution. Again,
as a young coach, trying to develop my philosophy and

(45:24):
mold my vision for my teams in the future, and
those were two teams that I would tell myself when
I get my head coaching job, I want to play
like them. And so again I agree with you, these
are two tradition rich programs that are now We're going

(45:46):
to play each other every year some years twice in
the SEC. So I'm glad to be a part of
that for sure.

Speaker 12 (45:56):
As a quick follow up, the last two years obviously
you all did to play. Was at a scheduling issue
or why exactly did this kind of go off the
go off the books?

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, I think remember we had the we had one
of my parents violate the COVID rule in the year
of COVID and had to cancel the game four hours
prior to tip. The following year we returned because we
still had a return left on that part of the schedule.

(46:28):
And then I think the next two the next year
we had an issue with the calendar and trying to
work it into the schedule. And then last year we
knew we were going to start in the SEC and
so we just decided, hey, we'll wait till we get
to the sec UH schedule. So you know, as we

(46:49):
all know, scheduling has evolved and changed, and you know
we've had we've had some different issues here at Texas
for sure, and they have to.

Speaker 12 (46:59):
Goodry, go ahead, that's good afternoon.

Speaker 13 (47:02):
So you're talking about, you know, paying respect to Tennessee
and Coach Caldwell, and you know, like you said, you're
not going to keep them under fifty points. You know,
they're shooting hot to three points. They're probably a pretty
scary team right now because they've been so close on
all their games.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
If we were.

Speaker 13 (47:20):
Talking to coach Caudwell, what would she say about the
Texas team. She's not going to keep you under eighty five,
She's not going to stop loieheyman, I'm just curious from
your perspective what.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
She you know, I don't know. I don't even I
don't really know her personally. You know. The flip side
is I love my team. You know, when we're lit,
when we're really focused, I think we can play with
ebody in the country. We certainly we were disappointed in

(47:52):
our first half at South Carolina, but responded in the
second half guard them, held them to twenty eight. You know,
executed some really good stuff in the second half. We
didn't make shots, but we executed up to the point
where we missed the shot. So again, this team has

(48:15):
been really good lately in preparation. They've been really good
in their focus and understanding what we need to do
against whoever we're playing against. We had great practices leading
up to Alabama, great practices leading up to South Carolina.
We had a two day hangover against once we lost

(48:37):
at South Carolina going into the Auburn game. I think
it showed we still were able to go out and
be up twenty one and a half, but we didn't
finish the game right in the second half. But then
our focus leading into Maryland was outstanding again and obviously
we played really well. So I love my team. We

(49:00):
know the challenge in front of us. We're gonna welcome
that challenge. We're gonna go out and play our guts
out and and uh and execute and do the things
that we know are necessary to give us a chance
to win on Thursday night. Let's go back to Mark
Mark go ahead.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (49:20):
As much as you praise Madison Booker for being unselfish
and usually efficient in a game like this, you're citing
all the points at Tennessee Sques, do you tell Booker
maybe she needs to look more to score, like, you know,
get to a certain number to keep up with an
opponent like that.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I don't. I don't think so. I think you you know,
I think I think what Madison's doing right now and
and and you know, uh Shaefer juniors talk to her
about it is just letting that game come to her,
you know. And and I think that's the thing for
any play any player on my team, Let the game

(50:03):
come to you. Shay stands out there and lets the
game come to her. The other night, wide open threes
knocks them down. You know. I just think when you
let the game come to you and you take what
the defense gives you, you don't need to press. You
don't need to put any extra pressure on yourself. Oh
my god, I gotta do this. I gotta know. You're

(50:26):
on a really good team. Miss is everybody on my team.
You're on a really good team. Let the game come
to you. My bigs, let the game come to you.
We're always going to play inside out. Let the game
come to you. My bigs have been really good when
they get doubled, their veryin, says Kyla. Oldacre is so unselfish.
She will kick that back out to a guard every time.

(50:49):
So I think, you know, and again, I think that's
what makes Maddie so special. She just so unselfish, enjoys
the past, wants to have those opportunities to make the pass,
run the offense, which I love to do, and it
makes us, I think, that much harder to prepare for

(51:10):
who's going to be out there. Is it Rory or
do you got Rory coming off of you know something
on the side, and you got Madison running the point
and doing some of the things that we've done with her.
I just think, again, it makes it really unique and
it's what makes us great, you know. It gives us
a chance to be really really special. And so again

(51:31):
it's it's a mindset and I love that about my team.
I love that about Madison.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah, she's really good and she does really like distributing
the basketball as well as shooting the basketball as well.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
It's a more from Vick Schaeffer.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
We'll here next hour some more talking about some specifics
with Tennessee and this matchup. And again you can hear
the contest tonight on one o three point one FM,
Austin's eighty station. It's a six forty five air time.
It is a seven o'clock tip here on the zone tonight,
long worn weekly with Rodney Terry comes your way and

(52:06):
that will come your way tonight at six o'clock. And
so we'll have that with coach Terry out at Pluckers
the West Campus location here in Austin. More coming up
here on AM thirteen under the zone.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
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Speaker 1 (52:45):
So the first college football playoff twelve team variety has now.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Been put to bed.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Ohio State is the national champion of college football, but
it does bring about a lot of questions. What we
continued to hear throughout the course of the playoffs was
is that it was really cool to have home games
in the playoff and that the expanded twelve team field

(53:18):
was definitely better than the fourteen field, although obviously there
were going to be the regular heavy duty questions coming
up about seating and how this whole thing should break down.
So toward that end, here are some of the topics
that have come up, And again deferring to Heather Dentich,

(53:39):
who covers it as well as anybody does for ESPN,
and she did a canvassing of athletic directors and conference
commissioners to get their thoughts on the just completed twelve
team playoffs and what adjustments are changes they might suggest
or think would be in order. First of all, did

(54:01):
you think the twelve team playoff was a success?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Camp? I think it was.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
My only you know, what's the right term gripe with
it was that maybe we shouldn't get the top four
seeds to just the top four conference champions.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Give it the top four teams.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Like I understand that that Boise State won their conference championship,
they were not the third best team in college football?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Or were they the three or four.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Seas and Arizona State was on the fourth best? Yes,
they were the four. Arizona State was the four in
Texas the five. Off of that, Well, it's interesting you
bring that up, because here's here's some of the things
that they're considering doing. Some of this sounds a little
over the top if you ask me, but some of
it makes sense too. A lot of it makes sense.

(54:45):
First of all, they're already talking about playoff play in games.
ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips told reporters that his league would
discuss giving its regular season champion a bye, and then
the teams that finished second and third in the league's
standings would play in the ACC title game. He said,

(55:09):
in other possibilities, having the top four teams play on
the final weekend of the regular season one verses four,
two versus three, with the winners playing the following Saturday
for the ACC title. Heather Dinnisch wrote that the quiet
part out low was Phillips concession that quote. Part of
the impetus of thinking about something like that end quote
is that automatic qualifiers for the playoffs starting in twenty

(55:31):
twenty six. There's no reason to make a significant change
to the ACC title game or any others for that matter,
if the league's number two team isn't guaranteed a playoff bid.
It's kind of like what we went through in basketball
college basketball, where folks said why have conference tournaments there
because a team that wins the conference tournament can get
an automatic bid and get in, and that adds an

(55:52):
extra bid for a league champ if your team is
not a one league. So, for example, if the ACC
and the Big Twelve each get two guaranteed teams in
a fourteen team field, it's likely the SEC and the
Big Ten would push for four teams each. Leaders within
the Big Ten have long discussed automatic qualifiers and determining

(56:12):
on the field who gets them at how before anyone,
including the Power four conferences determines how to produce the
best playoff teams. The commissioners first need to decide what
the playoff will look like in twenty twenty six and beyond.
There are people who favor the three three two two model.
For those who unfamiliar with that, that's three Big ten,
three SEC two acc to Big twelve. They say that

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model has been taken off the table good. The Big
ten in the SEC, which had the bulk of the
control over the future playoff format, will continue these discussions
at a joint meeting in February. All right, So that's
that's one deal, all right. Now, how about to your point,
the seating change. If there's one thing she writes that
the ten FBS commissioners might be able to unanismate, unanimously

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agree on for twenty twenty five, it would be it
could be changing how the twelve playoff teams are seated
on selection day. The most feedback surrounding the twelve team
format was about the seating, which gave the Big ten
and SEC champs a more difficult path through the bracket
than their runners up, like Georgia in Lake Texas. It

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also allowed for a lower ranked team such as Number
twelve Arizona State, the Big twelve champ to earn a
first round by over higher ranked playoff participants. One commissioner said,
we had good intentions for doing things the way we did,
but when you actually have real life examples and see
how they pan out, we may need to look at that.
So to make any changes for next season, the ten

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FBS commissioners, this is al this has to work. The
ten FBS commissioners and the athletic Director of Notre Dame
Bovakua have to unanimously agree on them. They met in Atlanta,
but they tabled what were referred to as the medior
discussions until February twenty fifth in Dallas. Keep that in mind.
They're also going to discuss giving the committee's top four

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teams the first round bys instead of conference champions, something
that's been at least publicly divisive, and that one source
said could be one of the many politically interesting conversations
that will have. So that's, you know, that's that's the
different that Pete Bavaka, the athletic director of Notre Dame,

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was talking about. That well, okay, and then there's one
other thing to point out here. Sources have said that
leaders from the SEC and the Big Ten, two big
power brokers, are going to meet for a day in
New Orleans to discuss the future format and overall NCAA governance.
One athletic director said, Ultimately, the alliance just keeps getting stronger.

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We've got so many like minds in that room. We've
got to figure out, now that we've already had one
meeting and a lot's happened between then and out, how
to figure out how the next steps to stabilize things.
So Athletic directors in both the SEC and the Big
Ten have expressed a desire to their respective commissioners to
push for four automatic qualifiers each in a fourteen team

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expanded playoff and a four to four two two model
that would assure the SEC and the Big Ten four
teams each, and the ACC and the Big Twelve two
teams each, plus one guaranteed spot for the group of
five and one true at large bid.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
What do you make of that?

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Four four two two four for the SEC, four for
the Big Ten, two for the ACC, two for the
Big Twelve, and then one true at large bid and
one guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Spot for the group of five. Why don't we just
put the twelve best teams in the playoff.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Because you have conferences wanting to be represented and coach
and athletic directors and conference commissioners their seat at the table. Well,
then get a better team.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
If you're worried about that, I mean, it's just I
just I think it's like, if you know professional sports,
we got to have at least two teams from the
AFC North, one from the now it should be the
twelve best teams in college football.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Well, they don't do that in the NFL, but the
NFL has you have four you have divisions, you have division.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Champions, you have four champions, but then you have three
wild cards. There's no wildcards in here's one team from
each conference gets.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
In, Yeah, into the super Bowl. But I'm saying into
the playoff. You have division champs. Just like we pointed
out the other day, we were talking about Seattle getting in.
It's seven and nine one year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
But with this format, then that means a team from
at least of the Big Twelve gets two teams four
four teams.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
No, no, Big twelve will get two.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yeah, two for the Big Twelve, two for the ACC,
four for the SEC, and four for the Big ten
with one group of five and one true at large.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
My point is that there's gonna be years where the
Big twelve is not worthy of two teams, and there's
going to be years where they might be worthy of three.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
So why do we have to put a limitation on this?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Again, that's about the representation for the conference commissioners. That's
why that's going to be that way. I think, all right,
we'll be back to wrap up our number two here.
I'm thirteen under the zone. I'm thirteen under the zone,
Craig Way, alongside the producer, Cameron Parker. Glad to have
you with us. We talked quite a bit of basketball.
We've heard from Vick Shaffer, Texas women's head coach in

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each of these first two hours. We're going to hear
more from Vic coming up in this third hour, talking
about a lot of specifics about this matchup with the
Tennessee Lady Balls, big matchup tonight, number seven Texas, number seven, Tennessee,
two of the most traditioned Leyden programs in the women's game,
and we'll hear from Vic about that coming up in
just a few moments. Also, some more men's college basketball

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notes and a reminder, Long Worn Weekly with head coach
Roddy Terry comes your way tonight six o'clock at Pluckers
the West Campus location live as heard here on thirteen
hundred Zone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
That'll be tonight at six o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
And I think Devon Pryor will be joining us tonight
out at Pluckers, our Longhorn player guest, So that's coming
up tonight. I hope you make it out the Pluckers. Listen,
why not do the daily double? Come on out the Pluckers.
I enjoy some great wings, have a great time there
with Long Worn Weekly with Artie, and then zip right

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down the road just a little bit to a Moody
Center for this big matchup between Texas and Tennessee. It
could be close to a sellout, and I did a
few tickets for bating for it, so it might be
worth the investment to check out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I want to get to a couple of NFL notes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
One of those happens to concern the team that I
root for, but it has a larger scope than just
the fact that the Rams are involved in this. There
was a report from Sarah Barshop of ESPN dot com.
Because the Rams are still in that kind of purgatory

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with Matthew Stafford, their quarterback who's been so good and
when he's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Healthy, he's really really good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
He completed sixty six percent of his passes this season
for three seven hundred and sixty two yards twenty touchdowns,
did have any interceptions, but it was really good. Had
no interceptions in the playoffs, and the two playoff games
they played played really really well. They just don't know
if he's going to be their quarterback next year. And
this doesn't have to do with a contract restructuring, which

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is what happened last year. This comes down to whether
he wants to continue playing now. They asked Sean McVeagh
about this and he said he hoped that there would
be clarity sooner than later in the offseason. Stafford said
after the loss to the Eagles last Sunday in that
Divisional round that he wanted to and here's the quote,

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takes some time to think about his NFL future. And
then when he was asked if he still has football
left in him, he said, sure, feels like it, but
he has not made a definite decision on whether he's
going to come back. And last year, the Rams and
Stafford worked to a similar situation, but they agreed to
an adjusted contract on the day that the team reported

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a training camp, and Sean McVay said, quote, here's his quote.
It's pretty strong words. We don't want to have to
go We don't want to have that go on again.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I don't think that's good for anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I think that sooner or later, being able to get
that clarity, understanding, clear, open and honest communication. I think
there's a lot of love coming from our part. I
think there's a lot of appreciation coming from his part
as well, and I think a lot sooner than later
is an ideal scenario. And then McVeigh was asked would
he definitely say that unless Stafford retires, he would definitely

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be playing for the Rams this season. McVeigh said, here's
the quote. We'll talk about all those things at the
appropriate time. He said, I know he's playing really good football. Obviously,
I love him, love working with him. What he's meant
or a football team has been a measurable in a
positive way. And he also said the quarterback is always
the first thing in mind as it relates to how
you move forward with the team and said when the

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Rams sit down they'll discuss the next steps with staff.
For of course, he had the rib injury. His wife
Kelly said on the podcast yesterday he cracked four ribs
in that win of the forty nine ers in week fifteen,
and McVeigh said after the game the medical staff did
imaging of his ribs. Nothing showed up on that imaging,
and McVeigh said it still could just kind of continue

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to irritate him. It didn't affect his ability to practice
anything play related. And then before the Minnesota game when
he did get the MRI scan there showed some stress reactions.
He goes, that was what what communicated to me. It
didn't limit him on practice. He said, he's as tough
as he gets. It's like anything else. As the season
goes on, players accumulate things that they work through when

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you play as many games as they do. So anyway,
the reason why I also bring this Upcam is because yeah,
obviously he's playing really well and I hope he returns
as a Rams fan, but if he doesn't, if he
decides to call it a career, here comes the trickle
down about quarterbacks all around the National Football League because,
as has been said, not just here, but in so

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many other places. What a heavy duty commodity it is
to have a really good quarterback. And the teams that
are struggling the most are teams with quarterback issues, the
teams that are having the most success.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Look at the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Could anybody have predicted that the Washington Commanders would be
in the Final four? No, because nobody could have predicted
that jayde Daniels would play as well. As said now,
it's not always all on the quarterback. But just like
McVeigh said, it starts with the quarterback, and you've got
to have a good one to have a shot to
make a move.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
And I can tell you this, they're not getting there
with Jimmy g He's a backup.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
And I know he was quarterback for the forty nine
ers when they were in the Super Bowl. There's a
long laundry list of quarterbacks, considerable length list of quarterbacks
who played in Super Bowls. Some even won Brad Johnson
with Tampa Bay, Trent Dilford with Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
There's some who.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Won Super Bowls with having yeah, okay quarterbacks and some
that got there with yeh okay quarterbacks and then went
David Woodley of the Dolphins was one of those guys.
So there's been different things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Folks could even point to Jared Goff when he played
for the Rams when they went to the Super Bowl
about quarterbacks who were.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Okay but not great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
But if you're gonna take that next step has been
said at nausey, your quarterback better be good, real good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
I think the Rams would love to have Stafford come
back and thirty seven years old, and if he decides
to retire, you're in a tricky spot because you have
a late first round draft pick. Most of the top
quarterbacks are probably going to go well before or the
Rams have their selection. So you look at guys like,
I don't know, maybe Sam Donald, right, you know, he
played in Koc's offense in Minnesota, kind of similar to

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what Sean McVay wants to do, and maybe you draft
a quarterback a little bit later on in this draft,
signed Donald to two three year deal and kind of
see what you have with him and then kind of
see what you have through the draft and go through there.
But him retiring will put you guys in a real
tough spot. And even to day, Craig seeing you know,
Cooper cup trade rumors.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Yeah, coming out, those were those those trade rumors were
really hot when the Rams were one and four and
it looked like they were gonna completely crater. Obviously, they
turned it around and they won nine of their last
I guess it was last twelve games to finish ten
and seven in the division. But yeah, you figured that

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would probably start up again here at season's end. So
we'll see, we'll see how all of that goes, all right.
So anyway, the couple of that, I just wanted to
hit on that football note because also Bill Bartenwell did
a piece on some of the greatest rookie seasons in
NFL history, and he puts Jade Daniels season right up

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there with some of the best rookie seasons of all
time in the NFL, and it's a big reason why
the Commanders, like we said, are playing in the NFC Championship.
All Right, up next, we're going to hear more from
Vick Schaefer, Texas women's basketball head coach when we continue
on thirteen Under the.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
App continuing on this Thursday afternoon. Like we mentioned, it's
a big basketball game tonight at Moody Center, seventh ran Texas,
number seventeen Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
It's a conference game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I've done a lot of Texas versus Tennessee women's games,
and this is probably more impactful than any of those
because those games were all non conference games played in November, December,
that sort of thing. So here you are in the
late stages of January, approaching the midway mark of the
conference schedule. It's a big game tonight at Moody Center,

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which you can hear on one of three point one FM,
Austin's eighty station with a six forty five air time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
It's a seven o'clock tip.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
It got moved forward as a trickle down because LSU's
inability to get to South Carolina for what would have
been an earlier game, which would have been six, and
the Texas Tennessee game would have been eight, but they
were snowed in Baton Rouge, so they couldn't get there.
So television asked Texas to move the game up an hour.
They agreed to do it, and that's when it'll be

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at seven o'clock. Let's hear some more now from Texas
women's head coach Bick Shafer.

Speaker 12 (01:10:50):
I think this is kind of a big picture question,
and I guess you call it to toe the line
a little bit with your answer. But I don't know
if you saw Bill Penalty's comments last week about he
was upset with how Audie was being kind of defended
and officiated and kind of echoed what you've been saying
about Kylon Taylor. And I'm kind of wondering this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
As a whole.

Speaker 12 (01:11:12):
I don't know if fanessa is the right word, but
is it gotten to a point where it's just too
hard for you know, these bigs to kind of shine
and do their thing or how I guess you kind
of know what I'm asking, but how you're just your
thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, I'm frustrated, I can tell you. You know, I'm getting
close to being where Kim Molkie was back when she
had Brittney Grinder and you know, Grinder was being you know,
wasn't being officiated fairly. And you know it's funny when

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coaches have them, they their their defense. I've had them
my whole career, but when they don't have the bigs
like we have, then all of a sudden, they're wanting
they're wanting it a different way. They're wanting it, you know,
they're wanting it to be completely you know, flipped, and

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so uh you know, I see that today with teams
that don't have that true five like we do, and
we're really blessed with that, and you know, I get it.
It's you know, it's it's hard sometimes because you don't
see it a lot. You know, you're seeing more five
out stuff and and less power you know, players like

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the big fives of the past. But and so you know,
it is a challenge. I know in defense of of
of our officials, I know it's hard. But at the
same time, it is what it is, and those kids deserve.
I mean, if I told you how many times Kyla
Oldacre comes over to the side and said, would you

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please tell them they are hitting me in the face?
Would you please tell them to tell them to stop
letting them hit me in the face. You know, that's
just that's unacceptable, and it's you know, I owe it
to that kid, and I get you know, to defend

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her number one, I've got a coacher to make sure
her technique is on point perfect, not fair.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
She has to be on point perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
She won't get away with anything egregious or extra versus.
Sometimes the defense is allowed that and so that's you know,
that's the challenge. But again, I get it, you know,
I understand the challenges that come with it. But at
the end of the day, you know, we're blessed with

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the two really good power five plays, and you know
we're gonna keep using them. We're gonna keep going to them,
and you know, I know they're trying that. I do know,
and uh, and I can appreciate that.

Speaker 15 (01:14:12):
Hey, Vic with with Leah looked like she found a
little spark in the second half knowing her limitations. What
kind of X factor is or is she because of
the way she can kind of navigate the paint a
little differently than than your other post players.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yeah, you know, when when she's feeling good in spry,
you know, when she's got a little pep in her stuff,
she's she makes us different. And uh, you know, you
know what that kid does to try to allow herself
to be the best she can be right now is

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is amazing. I appreciate her so much. Uh, to know
what she's going through to know what she has done
to help her to give herself a chance, U, what
our medical team is doing to you know, help her
get to a point where she can function and play
and be effective. So yeah, she makes a big difference.

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And again, I'm excited for her because I think she
is feeling good and it's it's obviously showing in her
play and she brings a lot to the table, you know,
So I'm happy and excited for her.

Speaker 9 (01:15:29):
Yeah, Vicky, you say you're not going to hold them
to fifty, but we all know you and Hi, you
set the bar. So do you tell your team at
sixty or do you give them an actual number that
you'd fo on defense?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
But We're not going to give them a number. And
I'm not going to say anything. It's not possible. I
know my team, and you know what, if you told
them something like that, they're liable to go out and
try to show me, you know. And so you know
when I say that, that's out of complete respect for

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a team averaging eighty five point five points a game.
You know, Maryland was really top ten in the country offensively,
and you know we did a great job defending them
the other night, So I'm not going to say anything's
not possible. Again, I love my team. I love their

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competitive spirit and their toughness on most nights, and they
have shown, you know me, throughout the course of the
season they can get pretty locked in on certain things
offensively and defensively. So but what I'm a telling you
is is we got a big challenge in front of
us because this team is as good offensively as any

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team I've seen in a long time. And you know,
it's it's five people that you can't keep your eye,
you can't really help from anywhere, and you know that's
the challenge that we have right now.

Speaker 10 (01:17:05):
Vig this might be a better question for coach Caldwell,
but what do you think what does it mean to
the sport that Tennessee's brand has come back to life?
And what's your best past summon story?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Yeah, you know, I think you know right now in
our game, certainly, I don't know that the brand. You know,
Coach Jolly always had those kids playing hard. They didn't
you know, they struggled a little bit, but they struggle
In terms of the history of Tennessee. They were in

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the NCAA tournament every year, but the standard there like
the standard here. It's just different, and it's you know,
it's what we sign up for as coaches, but it's different.
And so, you know, I think I'm sure their fan
base is super excited about their team and the success

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that they've had. And you know where they are right now.
They're fifteen and three and playing well. Again, lost three
games by four points, so I mean they've been in
every game, but made thirty three threes in a game
one night. I mean, that's pretty phenomenal. I mean, think
about that, y'all. Thirty three threes in a game. That's crazy.

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So I'm sure they're excited about it. I'm not very
excited about it, but they are. And so, you know, again,
I think anything anytime, you know, our programs are mentioned
with some of the better programs across the country, it's
always a good thing for our two universities because fair

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or not, that's the expectation. And again, it's what we
sign up for when we decide to coach here. So
that summit stories. You know, there's two things that come
to mind when I think of the University of Tennessee

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and women's basketball, And early in my career, y'all when
I was at Arkansas, Al Brown was on Coach Summit's
staff and we'd go the SEC Tournament every year and
Al Brown would be bring his box of folders on

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every team and he would sit there throughout the day
because their team never played on the first day or
the second day, and he would scout everybody in person.
And just the way Al carried himself, Coach Brown carried himself.
He had a presence, he had a class about him.

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He was a pro. And I noticed that as a
young assistant, and I'll be honest that and be that
person growing up as an assistant at Arkansas and then
at A and M, I would do I came to
do the same thing and when we went you know,

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when we left Arkansas, I would do that in the
Big twelve, you know over at A and M. And
the coaches in the Big twelve ended up complaining that
I was sitting press row scouting everybody, and so the
conference office after about the second or third years, asked
me to move up into the stands that I could

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only scout the one team or the two teams that
we potentially could be playing the following day. And so
you know I did that. I wouldn't even sit down
there anymore. I just sit up in the stands. But
that's what you learn if you're paying attention. It's what
you learn in this game. And I'm always paying attention.

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I'm always watching other people. And again, when I was
a young coach, a young assistant, and I saw those
teams that coach Summit had, I always said, I want
my team to look like her team. I want my
team to play like her team. When they got off
the bus, they looked like a national champion. They looked

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like an SEC champion. You can't be an SEC champion
if you don't look like it getting off the bus.
And I remember going to Mississippi State and telling my staff, A,
we don't look like an SEC team right now getting
off the bus. First thing we've got to do is
recruit SEC bodies. Then we'll coach them to be SEC champions.

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And that's what we did. But I learned that watching,
you know, her teams, watching how hard they played, how
they rebounded the basketball. Yeah, they defended, played hard, but
they were going to beat your butt on the on
the boards. And my teams still don't aren't quite as

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good rebounding as i'd like them to be, but it
didn't because I'm not trying to get them there. And
I've learned that from her, you know, understanding that was
her philosophy. I remember one night when I was at Arkansas.
We went in there and somehow this was in their heyday.

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We were up like thirty eight to twenty nine at half,
and man, we came off the floor and we're standing
out in the hall talking about our adjustments we're going
to make. And I looked at coach and you could
hear our locker room. It sounded like dog gone party.

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Our kids were so excited and juiced up, jacked up.
And I looked at him, I said, you know what's coming.
I said, their locker room didn't like that one, and
they're getting the Riot Act read to them, and I said,
we'd better be ready. We opened up the second half

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and Tennessee went on a thirty two to four run
and we couldn't even get the ball into our offense.
They were all over us, like stink on you know
what and it. But that's that's her, that's her teams,
that's the expectation, that's her demanding her team to be elite.

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And you know, I wish I had a fun story,
but I just don't have one. It usually when you
played her teams, that usually didn't end very fun.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
So there it is. The comments from long orange Head
coach Vick Schaeffer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
The game is at seven o'clock tonight against Tennessee. It's
an SEC network plus telecat or SEC network excuse me,
telecast and of course you can hear it on one
oh three point one FM. All right, we've got some
NBA notes coming up next. When we continue on third under.

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
The zone, it's the craig Way Show with the voice
of the Texas Longhorns and Hall of Fame Broadcasting Craig Way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
I don't often do this, but it's but these types
of rulings like what I'm about to share with you
our things are pretty commonplace when it comes to high
school athletics in the state of Texas. Understand that not

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only in this day and time of high school athletics,
but even going back decades, there is always a grumble.
There is always a complaint about from a one or
more specific high schools in the school district about a

(01:24:57):
student athlete who's participating at another school in their district,
and that the student may have moved there for athletic purposes,
or he's not academically eligible, or there's things like that,
and these cases have become a little more acute, i
would say in recent years, especially with things going on

(01:25:19):
a lot of transferring back and forth. We've seen where
Duncanville High School got stripped of a state championship playing
ineligible players you had. Also, most recently, Faith Family Academy
Oak Cliff had won back to back state titles and

(01:25:40):
their program has been.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Barred from being able to play.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
In the state tournament or in the high school state
playoffs this year, so they're playing what's called an outlaw
schedule or an independent league schedule. So anyway, there's things
like this that happen quite a bit. And usually what
happens is when a school rule is first found by
its own district executive committee to violated rules, they will

(01:26:07):
meet out punishment and it might be a player ineligible
or a team ineligible or something like that, and then
that school can appeal it to the state Executive Committee
of the UIL and then they meet and they decide, Well,
here's like a typical day of something like that. Happened

(01:26:28):
several cases for the State Executive Committee of the UIL,
and they issued some rulings instead of and some issued
some penalties today. First of all, and it does not
give the names, but a student athlete from Fluteville from
Hendrickson High School was denied an appeal for varsity eligibility
upholding the previous ruling of the district Executive Committee. Usually

(01:26:49):
that means the student athlete was found to have transferred
for athletic purposes. Now here's some other interesting stuff. The
former lewis High School had basketball coach Mario Martin and
former Lewisville High School volunteer assistant coach Exevious Booker were
issued a three year suspension from coaching within the UIL

(01:27:11):
along with the public reprimand and must appear before the
committee before coaching again. It's kind of a show cause thing.
The committee accepted the District Executive Committee's decision to place
Lewisville's boys basketball team on two years probation and issue
of public reprimand. When something that serious happens, it comes
to the other thing that's really become commonplace of late, unfortunately,

(01:27:33):
and that's recruiting, recruiting student athletes to move into the area,
and then you had this bizarre case with Trinity Leadership
in Cedar Hill.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Now this is a.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Charter school, and charter schools have had their issues with
the UIL, including the Prime Prep Academy that Dion Sanders
had for a while, but Trinity Leadership had boys basketball
coach Adrian Hawkins was issued three years probation, a public
reprimand suspended for the rest of this season. And Texas

(01:28:04):
Leadership Public Schools Athletics was placed on three years probation,
given a public rec demand, and has to provide a
written plan for athletic department process improvements. This Trinity Leadership
Cedar Hill boys team has to forfeit the last four
games of the regular season and they're suspended from postseason play. So,
in other words, what we're seeing now become unfortunately more commonplace,

(01:28:30):
is recruiting and charges of recruiting and accusations of recruiting,
and things wind up being going before the state Executive Committee.
And if you're hauled up before the magistrate in this
case that sort of thing, chances are not good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Because it starts at the district level.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
The UIL asked that the districts settle their disputes or
issue whatever reprimands or punishment, and then if it gets appealed,
then they have to step in. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaking of punishment and appeal. Did you see the story
about the podcast with Draymond Green?

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Have you seen that? Not recently? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
You going like this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Then, because I rarely have seen something that you haven't
already seen the thought, especially when it comes to the NBA,
especially when it comes to the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
But I got a kick out of this.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
I don't listen to Draymond Green podcast. I don't want
to hear him right right, let's talk honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Okay. This was his comment to a to a podcast
and and it was his comment. I think it was
a podcast with Jordan Poole. Okay, so everybody knows what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
They hate each other. So podcasts with Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
No, no, no, the two of them weren't doing it together.
He was made aware of the comments Poole's comments. Yes, yeah, okay, so, uh,
it's interesting you bring that up. You know that happened
more than two years ago, and it really did kind
of mess things up in the Warriors life. Okay, So
he apologized back then kind of and Pool said on Saturday,

(01:30:06):
the quote was that he loves quote. Most of those
guys over there was his quote, and he was asked
about the warm reception he got in his return to
Chase Center as a member of the Washington Wizards.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
So he said, yeah, most of those guys. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
So yesterday Green was on his podcast with Baron Davis.
I didn't know the two of them did a podcast together,
but anyway, Green posted a tweet.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Draymond said, I really am sorry. I saw that. That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Okay, all right, So then here's what he said on
the podcast. He said, I responded because it's been three years.
He said, like, let's move on.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
We moved on. I really am sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
That statement by Pool was kind of like it was
looking for some more sympathy, kind of keep wanting to
make me out to be the bad guy. Move on, bro,
it is what it is. I'm sorry I should have
punched him, but it happened. Let's move on. Guess what, Draymond,
you are the bad guy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
You were the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
You're still the bad guy. So Green later publicly apologized
to Pull After the punch, Green was fined by the Warriors,
voluntarily left the team for a time. As we know,
didn't miss any games or face any discipline. So Green
said on the podcast, I kind of go back and

(01:31:30):
forth on this. I know what was wrong, but you
can't call him out a B word and push him
and not get hit either. So it kind of sit
in both of those spaces sometimes, like the reality he
is the answer is probably somewhere in the middle, right.
I shouldn't have knocked him out like that. If anything,
it should have hemmed him up. It was just kind
of a natural reaction. I think for him, you're kind
of bringing that back up on yourself. Like when you

(01:31:51):
do that, you just bring up that moment back on yourself.
You just got to move on and keep pushing. Man
gotta let it go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
And he has not let it go obviously, and he's
playing for one of the worst teams in the NBA
and the Warriors are struggling to be in the plan.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
By the way, if you're keeping count, Draymond has eight
technical fouls this year, but only one ejection.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
He had four last year. He said, I want people
to say, man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Right here was a little bleak, but then look where
it went from there, and that's due because he took accountability.
He said, regardless of how I felt about the Rudy situation,
the Nurkic situation, the Jordan Poole incident, in any situation,
I took it on the chin, I took accountability for it,
and I moved forward.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
They're my fault. I needed to be better and I failed.
We all failed, but I'm not a failure.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
He injured his calf last weekend and he missed last
night's game at sacrament I watched some of that game
last night. Nice nice run by the Kings to come
back and beat the Warriors in that game. So anyway,
I thought you'd get a kick out of that because
Draymond Green always provides entertainment.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Yeah, he does.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
Maybe one of the benefits of these player podcasts is,
you know, conversations like that. But Warriors have not been
the same since the Draymond Greed and Jordan Pole incident.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
On both sides.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
Jordan Pole's getting his shots up, he's getting his money,
he's probably having a good time going out partying, but
he's not competing for NBA championship.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
And for the Warriors, they aren't either.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Yeah, that's true. All right, we'll be back to wrap
up today's edition of the program. Here, I'm thirteen under
the zone.

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