Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, sir, Greg Christopher, how are you good to be
with you?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Thank you, Sarah. We are well. First of all, how
did the Florida trip go? In an sec environment for
an opening game? And it was four hundred degrees and
the Hurricanes went?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yeah, I mean they call it the swamp. It's it's
almost indescribable what the humidity is like. And I lived
in Atlanta for three years Dallas, so I've been exposed
to it. But August the quarters of that old stadium,
that's from my first time to the swamp. But yeah, Miami,
Mario Cristaball, he's got those guys rolling. And I would
(00:33):
say cam Ward that very unusual, nonchalant style he was.
He was a playmaker extraordinaire. I couldn't I couldn't believe
how many great plays he made. So keep your eye
on Miami.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And we mentioned last week the heat on Billy Napier.
I'm sure you heard a little bit about that when
you were exiting games.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Will. Yeah, it's been going on.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
He's in year three and and we'll just see how
it plays out. But that's kind of the nature of things.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
They had you know, Dan Mullen had had had three
ten wins seasons and they essered him out, uh three
out of four, I believe, and they ushered him out.
So you know, they say it's it matters more down there,
and and every time I'm down there, I nod my head.
Although you know, I will say that the Oregon Washington
(01:23):
environment in October last year, you could put that against anybody.
You could put that in Michigan, Ohio State, Uh, the
the Alabama, Georgia. I mean, you know we can rise
up to that level. They just do it probably more consistently.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Right since we're on college football, will stay there. When
you got back home, you watched the Husky game tape,
What did you think were your impressions? What surprised you
they didn't expect and maybe went better, and maybe what
concerned you if anything.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I thought the offensive line was maybe a little more
athletic than I thought, particularly the right side of that line.
That was that was key. H I had expected at
out of Jonah Coleman. I didn't know he'd be that good.
I found myself saying, Wow, you know, where does this
guy rank in terms of the running backs we've seen
at the university in a long time. You know, I
(02:12):
feel like I can remember most I don't remember macla any,
but probably anybody else you can cite. I can remember
in terms of the list of the great ones and
and uh, you know, there's a lot of football left
to be played. But his his vision. I played with
them at Smith real short. You know five m it
was five e and uh. And this guy in Coleman
is listed at five nine. I'd say he's closer to
five six than he is five nine. But but as
(02:35):
we know, there's an inverse relationship between uh a guy's
or I should say, probably a correlation to a guy
being short. I was gonna say, in inverse relationship to
height to UH to agility.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Right, and we.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
See in all sports little you know, Muggsy Bogues, you know,
little point guards are are are quick as hell and
and you get a guy that short to the ground
and and you know, built that densely. He can take hits,
he can stay on his feet, His balance as incredible,
his vision is extraordinary, and he's got a lot of
experience over fifteen hundred yards at Arizona rushing and you
(03:16):
know he he was making guys miss at his his
yards after contact at Arizona again, over fifteen hundred yards
was six point six. That's obviously rounds to seven yards
and per per rush attempt seven.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yards that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yards after cats per rush attemper or excume yards after
contact per rush attempt, that's crazy. And then when he
caught the ball was nine point three. So yeah, no,
I beg your pardon. I wasn't quite ready for the
Huskies that that was just overall overall yards per attempt,
But his yards after contact the other night were he.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
He was close to one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm gonna stop citing college stats because I don't have
the stats in front of me.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But in any event, impressive guy.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Does he remind you a little bit of Bishop Sankie,
another sub six foot running back.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I think he's just thicker, probably shorter and thicker. I mean,
you know, Maurice Jones. Drew would be would be a
comp for me. You know, workhouse guy there there there
was who was the guy the little guy for for
the Saints. He was more of a really short Darren Sproles. Sprolls.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, Spolls.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Sproles was kind of a third down guy, great out
of the backfield, but I didn't feel like he was
a workhorse guy. Murice Jones. Drew was a you know,
a first down, give it to him, second down, give
it to him type of guy at you know, a
very very short, thick stocky but you know, quicker than fast,
but you know, very accomplished guy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So to me, if if there's a comp that I
can say, I would cite him. But again a little
bit of a nod to Emit Smith here, I'm talking
about one of one of the greatest of all time,
and I'm not putting him in that category in terms
of his his overall projection. I'm just saying stylistically, he
reminds me a little bit of Emmett because emmittt had
(05:17):
you know, Emmett played during a time with Barry Sanders,
and Emmett was getting all the yards, and of course
Barry's was too. But most people say, well, Barry Sanders
better than EMITTT.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Smith.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
If there if there was an argument to be made
for for Emmitt Smith, it was he had this remarkable vision.
He could just you know, you send give him the
ball the left and he would just he would just
kind of band a have this incredible inate ability to
know exactly which you know, if we're designed to go
off the C gap to the left, he might bend
(05:47):
it back to the A gap to the B gap.
In fact, when I was with the Cowboys North Turner,
we'd we'd watch our nine on seven that's the run drills,
and the quarterback room was Troykman, Jason Garrett, and myself
and and Norv. The four of us are in this meeting,
and nor would stop the tape. He goes, Okay, which
which gap do you think em it's gonna bend it
back to? And Troy might say, well, you know, front
(06:08):
side A. I might say, backside B. Jason might say
you know backside see what you know? Whatever, We just
and then Norm would run the play and then we
would just watch and we marvel and go how did
that rascal know which which hole was going to open up?
It's like he was a chruskin. And and so that
was his greatness. And I found myself saying, there's a
(06:30):
little wee bit of that in Jonah Coleman that a billion.
You know, he had a touchdown where I mentioned the
sea gap stretched left off going away from the lake
to the west end zone. That ball was designed to
go to the sea gap to Jonah's left, Husky's left.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
He rips it.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Back to the sea gap on his right, and he
does it all just like in an anticipatory, smooth fashion.
Just yeah, Now the hole was big and and and
it's not as impressive as I'm making it out to be,
but just consistently he just found those holes, bend to
the right place to experience the innate, the quickness relative
(07:09):
to his height, the strength relative to his density, the experience.
You know, it was. It was a hell of a
package to watch for week one.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh, let me shift it to Seahawks. Yeah, what going
into the season, what concerns you most about what might
keep this team being with Ryan Greb and Mike McDonalds
offensive line?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know there as you know Greg there, they're thirty
second in the NFL in terms of their salary dedicated
to the offensive line. It's kind of been you know,
it's a repeating theme. And I think that you know,
you look throughout the rest of the roster. I think
the defensive line is going to be a lot better
(07:47):
than we were talking about last year. I think McDonald
is going to be like the turbo button for everybody.
You know, I don't play a lot of Xbox in Madden,
but I watched my kids do it. In fact, I
play no No, But I know that there's a turbo button,
and I guess that makes guys faster. But if you
just say, imagine a turbo button where you say everybody
(08:08):
is elevated, the the what is it?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
There's I have zero doubt that that is going to
play out with Mike McDonald. I've made the argument, and
I can back it with numbers that he's the premier
defensive mine in football now and and I'll hold to that.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So if if that's.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
The case, I think that he's going to be able
to put them in schemes that are going to maximize
all of their abilities. The linebackers, I'm worried about that.
Will linebacker I do like what I saw from Tyrel
Dodson in limited action this summer, So I was concerned,
you know, about the linebackers, given that the Ravens had,
(08:51):
along with the forty nine ers, the two best tandems
of off ball linebackers, right, so there was I'm a
little bit of sways with those concerns relative to Dodson.
Still need to see it, whether it's Jerome Baker or
Tyres Knight. We haven't seen anything from Baker, as you know.
I think the secondary is gonna be in the discussion
for if not the best in the handful of best secondaries.
(09:12):
So I like what we're gonna see from the defense.
We got the skill guys. I think that Geno paired
with Ryan Grubb. I like that the the eleven personnel
that's gonna be, you know, and you got a running back,
so all the pieces are there. It's just how much
of an anchor is that offensive line going to be
to the rest of the football team.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Well, Hugh, were a few were one day away from
the NFL season starting. Seahawks play on Sunday and they're
taking on the Denver Broncos. I know you saw a
lot of bow Knicks in college at Oregon, But what
do you think he's going to bring to what Sean
Payton wants to do offensively and maybe challenge to the
Seahawks defense make things tough.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Well, let's go back to why bow Knicks is at Denver.
If you go back to Russell Wilson, he he had
he held the ball the time to throw. The NFL
has a TTT time to throw, and Russell Wilson was
at three point one seconds.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
That was the number one longest holding the ball of
all the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
If we can just use simple terms right like that
was so and then he had how he he took
so many sacks Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
If you take the.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
The percent of pressures that were converted to sacks, Russell
Wilson twenty point six of his pressures converted to sacks.
Of the nineteen quarterbacks who had five hundred and more dropbacks,
he had the third highest pressure to sack rate, only
Bryce Young and Sam Howe, both of those guys in
their first year starting had worse. So he was holding
(10:52):
the ball, he was taking way too many sacks. And
then and then Russell Wilson was the architect of what
we could call an NBA offense. What's an NBA offense
as we know, it's either lay ends or three. Let
me give you some stats to point out. In an
NFL Wilson had the second lowest rate of five plus
yards downfield, and he had the second lowest rate of
(11:14):
eleven to twenty. He was either throwing it behind the
line or deep down the field. He had the third
highest rate of passes behind the line of scrimmage. He
had the seventh highest rate of passes twenty plus yards.
So there's all these numbers that point to that. So
it was just not what you want from from what.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Seahn Peyton wants.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And now let's go look at bo Nicks and what
he did at Oregon. A lot of people say Oregon,
bo Nicks didn't throw the ball down the field, everything
was sideways. Well, I'm gonna give you three other comps
and then I'm gonna give you bo Nix's numbers last
year with Oregon in terms of balls that are ten
yards or less from the lion of scrimmage, Gino was
(11:59):
at seven twenty three percent last year Drew Brees in
twenty eighteen. Of course, he was playing for Sean Payton.
The last great year that Drew Great Breeze was seventy
three percent. So again, Gino seventy three percent, Breeze seventy
three percent. Uh, Pat Mahomes last year the MVP League
seventy four percent and bo Nicks seventy two percent. So
(12:21):
tech obviously they're laid right over at one another. But
technically bow Knicks had was throwing the ball down just
under ten yards, just a little bit less. He was
throwing the ball down the field. More so when Sean
Payton looks at bow Knicks and bow Knicks had hit.
We talked about the conversion of sack of pressure to
sacks of one hundred and sixty two qualifying quarterbacks in
(12:43):
college football last year this is college football, where did
the median was seventeen point nine percent of pressures are
converted to sacks. To put that into context, Caleb Williams
actually was above that twenty one point nine percent. So
was JD and Daniels to Heisman Trophy was they were
at twenty They were a little above the average twenty percent.
(13:05):
Michael Pennix was seven point six percent, so much better,
and bow Knicks was five point four percent. He had
he was ranked one hundred and fifty eighth in terms
of taking sacks, meaning the fifth lowest, meaning fifth best,
out of one hundred and sixty two qualifying quarterback. So, so,
(13:26):
what about the picture I'm painting is?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Is?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Sean Payton says, Hey, I got this vision of my offense.
Drew Brees gets the ball, he gets ball this is
how far he goes down the field. He doesn't take sacks.
And now I look at bow Knicks, bon Nicks, you know,
the fifth best at avoiding sacks. And oh, by the way,
if you take the six quarterbacks in the in the
first round last year, Bo Nicks, he was I don't
(13:50):
have in front of me. I know it's two point
four something, call it two point four wonders. But he
had the lowest time to throw of all six quarterbacks
who went in the first round. So he's Shawn Payton's
evaluating this guy, and he's saying, this is exactly what
I want. He throws the ball down on the field
plenty plus. He's more athletic than Drew Brees. He can,
he can, you know, if he wants to run the
(14:12):
red zone or extend plays off script, which seems to
be more in demand. Nix's you know, he's a you know,
four five high, four five four six guy, and and
and a better runner than and and and thicker built
than than Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So I think that that anybody, you.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Know, you just you just kind of you know, look
about uh, look at what Nicks supplies and what what
Seawan Peyton would have wanted coming off of the Drew
Brees era.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Then it all makes sense.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Hugh Millan, thank you for the external dive, big dive
on Bonicks. He's up against it on Sunday week one
of his rookie year going.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
He is indeed, he is indeed.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
But I'll tell you what, he's a hell of a
good guy. Everybody else I know who knows and my
son was at a lead eleven with them, and and
everybody raves about. You know, he's a mature guy, sixty
one stars most in the NFL, he's married.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You know, he has this this calmness to him.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
So he has he has something a lot of stuff
that are going to peel those veterans, including the stuff
we talked about of avoiding Sacks.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I saw Cavin de Boor talk to him after the
Packedal title game in Las Vegas, and the things he
said to him off the line in the side of
the press conference really impressive.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
What do we know what he said to him or
was it just I mean, he was.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Just going on and on about what a great leader
he was and a great example of college football he was,
and he wished him all the best in the pros
and how he just thought of the world of him
and was talking before Caylin de Boor was taking the
podium and it was Dad. It was impressive. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'm going to say yes. My sense is anybody's sideways
with bow knicks, better look in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'll let you go by now I'm gonna I'll talk
to you tomorrow on the ground table with eight AM.
Thanks you Millan