Oscars Snubs & Surprises, "Anora" Spoilers, "The Brutalist" AI Controversy, and Cynthia Erivo!

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is the Hub on Hollywood and iHeartRadio podcast. I'm
your co host James Rojas coming back this week for
a second week in a row. Guest co host Kyle Bray, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Back, Thanks for having me back. Excited to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
We're back in the iHeart Music Lounge.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Look at this lovely place.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's beautiful. I'm gonna try to book it as often
as i can because the acoustics are amazing in here.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
It makes me feel like we're giving like a Ted
talk or something. I know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
We need to get these seats filled up.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Strut around the stage with a little with a little
wireless you know.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, actually I do have some wireless mice, so next
time we get a big an experiment with that. But
for this episode, what we are going to be experimenting
on is our thoughts, I guess on the Oscar nominations.
The list is officially out, and just like every year,
there are Oscar snubs, but there are those, you know,
well deserved nominations and our favorites that we're going to

(01:01):
be talking about. Also hosted by Conan O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, yeah, I'm super excited for that. I mean, we
talked about how much we both love Conan.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Last week.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
When I saw that news, I was so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
He is not the craziest two months of his life because,
as we mentioned last episode, his parents passed away, both
in the same week. He just was announced that he
won the Mark Twain Prize award. His house nearly went
up in flames. Do you know if you listen to
the podcast, I think you do. We've heard some episodes.

(01:31):
But his co host, I'm forgetting her name, but Sonya
she lost her house. Wow, So her house burned down
and so and then now he's going to be hosting
the Oscars in just a matter of weeks. And so
just a wild year for Conan.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
A lot going on.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
We're sending our love to you, Conan. You can do this.
So but we will get to the Oscar nominations. Hasty
Puddings announced their Woman of the Year. No big surprise
as to who they picked. You can't spell the brutalist
without ai. Uhh uh oh what does that? What does
that mean? That's I love that to use. And some reviews,

(02:06):
of course of Anora. A full spoiler review of Anora.
We did a non spoiler A couple of weeks ago.
But this is where we're getting into it now. You
should have seen it by now.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, catch up on your homework.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, we're also gonna talk about sing sing right, yes,
sing sing. But first we I do have to mention
just because again just mentioning Conan O'Brien and the La
fires that have been ongoing. A new one has popped up.
That one not so dangerous as in regards to its
location to other homes of property. But La Fire Aid

(02:37):
is coming up January thirtieth. That's where, you know, all
these celebrities and singers and performers are coming together to
raise money, raise funds for those who have been affected.
Of course, you know, everybody knows all the celebrities or
many celebrities lost their homes or were evacuated. But a
lot of normal folks like you and myself, we were,
you know, devastated by the fires. And so they announced

(02:59):
there there who's performing and among the performers include Billie Ailish,
Katie Perry, Lady Gaga, Olivia Rodrigo, Stevie Wonder, Sting, Dave Matthews,
John Mayer, Jelly Roll, No Doubt, Pink, Stevie Nix Graham Nash.
I was gonna say John Bon Jovie, but no, Joni Mitchell.

(03:21):
It's a great very different, yeah, very very different Green Day,
the Black Crows and many many more people. So of
course that is happening in Los Angeles on the thirtieth.
But if you want to donate, you can go to
Ali Fire Aid their website and there is a page
a link to donate anything that you can do, because again,

(03:41):
just while that, yeah, more fires are popping up and.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
No, I know, and I know you're from that area originally, yes,
and I have family that lived there, and you know,
family that used to live in Altadena, and you know,
I'm getting text about just seeing how harrowing it looked
there after. It's just, you know, it's good that we're
getting together to help these people out.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
You know, it's so crazy because I know one reporter
colleague never worked at the same station, but you know,
you run into reporters out on the field, so you
get to know them. But she lost her house. I
know several people, one of my former co hosts of
a public affair show in college. She had to be evacuated,
but her house, her home remains, though it's filled with smoke, like, yeah,

(04:19):
ash and smoke, So you got to it's not just
like over if you at your house survived a lot
of stuff going on. So we sent her love over
to those folks over there. Who is receiving love over
here in Cambridge in Massachusetts is none other than Wicked
star Cynthia Arivo. She has been named the Hasty Puddings

(04:39):
Woman of the Year. Yeah, well deserved, well deserved. She's
having a fantastic year. John Hamm he was announced the
Man of the Year, and so we just have this
latest announcement. Did you see Wicked?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I did, yes, and I thought that she was incredible.
I mean it was one of those until I had
seen a lot of the other movies, I was considering
her as like a pick for Best Actress this year
because she, I mean she cared. I mean, Are In
a Grande is great and as well, but like that
movie isn't what it is without the performance that she
puts in, you know, acting wise and vocal wise. I mean,
she's a phenomenal singer.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I haven't seen it. I know it's it's getting great
reviews and I will eventually see it. But when the
first trailers came out and I saw Ariana Grande as
Glinda the Good Witch. I don't know. I just wasn't sold.
But again I've been I've been proven wrong by all
the amazing reviews and and and the acclaim that she's received.

(05:33):
So it seems like she's done a fantastic job too.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah. I'm I was never the biggest like Ariana Grande fan,
but I you know, I mean I liked The Victorious,
the show she was on. I was a kid. That
was a good show. But but no, she she she
does great. I mean as the as as Glinda. I mean,
you know, she's got a fantastic voice. You know, there's
a reason why she's had so much success.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
So of course she has. They're gonna have a like
some kind of theatrical wicked performance. So I bet, yeah,
that's gonna be good. That's gonna be a good one.
That should be a good one. Yeah. So shout out
to the Revo for a continuation of of acclaim and appreciation.
One thing I'm not appreciating, Kyle, Netflix they're raising their prices.

(06:11):
Do you have Netflix?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I do, Yes, I'm so close.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I'm always on the edge of getting rid of my
subscription because I realized I don't use it that often.
I really really don't. But now they're raising it by
at least two dollars and fifty cents for one of
the tiers. So one of them is seventeen ninety nine.
There's a tier for seven ninety nine if that that's
the ad supported tier. But this comes as you know,

(06:37):
the company keeps reporting more subscribers, millions and millions of
dollars coming in and I don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
And a changing dynamic too, because they're really getting into
like the live sports industry out. Yeah, they just had
all the they have the WWE and they just signed
on to be the broadcast rights holders for the next
two Women's World Cups, which will be really interesting. I'm
kind of in the same boat, you know, thinking about
like do I really need it? Like I think I
have to finish the most recent season of Squid Game
before I consider that.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
I can never get into it.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
It's it's it's weird, it's good. The second season, I'm
about halfway through. I just haven't had time because I
started it, but my girlfriend hasn't started it yet, so
I felt bad like watching it and she hadn't started
it yet, so I've been waiting just for a time,
you know, when you know, when she's working at night
shift or something and I can like, well, we'll finish
the rest of the season, or or just let her
catch up when I'm not here, you know.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, I've heard mixed reviews about the second season. I've
heard that a lot of nothing happens. Is that fair?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Or I mean you've said made way through the I
mean the first couple episodes, like it's like it wasn't
what I was expecting it to be, but like it
was still interesting enough. And you know, I'm about I
think I'm pretty much halfway through, and I'm definitely I'm
definitely intrigued to see where the story's going. Like there
are a couple early on early twists that make the
show seem a lot more interesting than it was probably

(07:55):
going to be. So you know, looking to see how
looking forward to seeing how you know, everything else plays out. Yeah,
it'll it'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
You mister beast squid.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
No, but I did see. I heard a lot of
things about that show. I think the most impressive thing
I heard was that they edited the entire thing on
Adobe premiere, which I think is crazy because It's like,
that's not you know, something that you edit professional TV
shows on. But I mean Premiere it's easy to use
for a reason, right.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
The best Yeah, well, well what's not the best is
is Netflix's planned to keep raising money. So right now
I'm on the cusp of, like of getting rid of
my Netflix and going back to HBO Max because I
hear the Penguins fantastic. I can't wait for the Last
of Us season two coming out that So like those shows,
those are things that that draw me and and give

(08:43):
me an excuse to to sign up. But Netflix, I
don't know the sports you know it, you know, it
depends what's what game it is. But even like wwe
used to be in it years ago as a kid
growing up. But yeah, that's stuff, you know, there's not
much on there. I'm not hooking No, it's not hooking
me right now. So yeah, boom Netflix, Netflix, Netflix. I'm
probably gonna keep it after squid game it after well

(09:06):
a lot of people are saying they're done with the brutalists.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Do you like these transitions?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
No, you're you're you got your a game time all right?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
So AI game rather because the movie is receiving backlash
after admitting to using AI in the film. Apparently, the
editors revealed that that they used AI tools from Respeecher
to improve the authenticity of the Hungarian dialogue that Adrian
Brody and Felicity Jones were speaking or using. Did this

(09:36):
cross your mind or did he even notice that?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I didn't notice. I mean he sounded very good and
speak Hungarian. I don't know if I have not. I'm
hoping to go there sometimes I'd love to go to Budapest.
But you know, no, I've I I'm not fluent.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
No, yeah, so so yeah, so was there nothing nothing
raised a red flag for you.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
No, No, It's not something I would have I would
have ever considered. And I think it was you know,
I don't want to sit here and act like I'm
sitting up in this holy high horse and all that.
But it was a little disheartening to hear that, because,
you know, Adrian Brody gave one of my favorite performances
of the year, and I think it would have been
would have probably been my pick to be Best Actor

(10:15):
this year. But when you think about acting and what
makes a good performance, like that's part of it. I'm
not going to sit here and he has to have
a perfect Hungarian accent. I think it would have been
better in a way, but obviously I don't know how
it sounded before they added that effect. But I think
it does take away from that when you consider, like
this is supposed to be the best performance of the

(10:35):
year and they had to use AI to fix that.
I'm actually I'm shocked that they even admitted this before
like award season was over that because I mean with
the way that, like you think about the sag strikes
and the writers strikes, about how AI was such an
important part of that, Like, that's probably not going to
sit the right way with a lot of voters for
the Academy Awards.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, unless so, there are a couple of things in
my mind. One, maybe Adrian Brody and Felicity Jone had
no idea they were going to do that, so they
maybe they tried their best, they studied the language and
and maybe they got as close as possible. But then
the director or somebody has said, you know, it's just
it sounds like Dick van Dyke doing doing a British
accent and so and so so let's let's let's do it.

(11:15):
And then or two did they know that going in
just saying like, oh, you don't have to, you know,
put it too much effort, focus on the emotion and
not so much the language because we're just gonna overdub
that or fix it a post.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
So yeah, and I did see actually something interesting in
doing research for this. But apparently what's the name of
the AI thinking and it's a respeecher. Apparently respeecher was
also used in another Oscar nominated film, Amelia Peretz. Apparently
it was used to help improve the vocal range of
the main actress, who's was it Carlos Sophia Gescon I

(11:47):
believe is her name. Apparently they used that to improve
her vocal range because her vocal range was a little limited,
which like also was like a little like it's a musical,
Like the whole point of being in a musical is,
you know, is being able to sing. Yeah, And and
if they're they were using that to improve how it sounds,
I mean, it's just like, you know, it's just more
AI creeping into art.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Now see that one. I'm little just gut reaction, a
little less annoyed just because you know, there's auto tune
that makes voices better. But if you're using AI to
do that, then you okay, then you're you're getting into
some gray area. Another thing about uh, Amelia Press, what's
called Amelia Press, Amelia Press. It's also getting flat because
I heard that they used Google Translate, like just Google

(12:30):
Translate to translate English into Spanish so they could so
they could read it. And everyone knows, like, it's not
it doesn't translate that well.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
But you know, I would have gotten kicked out of
school for doing that in Spanish.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Class, yeah, because because writing for Spanish is different than
speaking Spanish. And so I'm curious of how that came about,
because I've heard that people in Mexico who've watched it,
they're not fans of it because of just the way
it was made. Apparently they didn't shoot in Mexico, they
filmed elsewhere, and so it's a it's a a lot
of interesting shit, I'm calling it.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
And I assumed that it was a Mexican movie. Yeah,
but then the Golden Globes rolls around and they're thanking
this guy name I think is Jacques Jean. I'm like yes,
and then it's French. It's not Yeah, I know, I
know that, Like a lot of people from Mexico were
not happy with the movie. I know a lot of
people in the trans community. They are not happy about
the movie. I know a lot of people that like
musicals are not happy about the movie. So I'm just
kind of like, who, how do we get to this point?

(13:23):
I don't want to I don't want to jump ahead,
but like it got how many Oscar nominations, say.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
We'll get into him more. But it's leading the charge
and the Internet is a blaze and angry over this,
considering who did not get nominated for you know, incredible films.
But yeah, this is just again going back to uh
to the brutalist really quick. This could be the future
unless it gets so much backlash that they don't try

(13:49):
to do it again.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, I definitely. I mean, I think the fact that
we've already seen it now in two of the Oscar
nominated Best Picture movies, I can't imagine that it's that
it will go away unfortunately, but it's I think in
the future, I feel like people might be a little
more accepting of it, or at least they might turn
a blind eye to it. But right now, and like
the really contentious AI market that we're in with, particularly

(14:11):
with artists looking at it, it could be a It
would not surprise me if this impacted a lot of
Academy voters. When a camp comes down to vote and
they might miss out on some things, they probably would.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Have been a lock for Well, they've lost my vote.
If I were to vote for the SAG Awards. Well,
I speaking about just the awards now, let's just want
to get right into the Yeah, so let's go in.
As we mentioned, Amelia Perez got the most recognition with
thirteen nomination. Pretty incredible. We could start with Best Picture

(14:44):
right here, so I'm not surprised that Anorra has been
nominated for Best Picture. It's a beautiful film, unbelievable, very
well directed. Yeah, really fun story. It's also nominated for
Best Original Screenplay as well.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah to the director, and uh, I want to say
it was also nominated for Best Actress and for Best
Supporting Actor, which is slowly becoming one of my favorite
categories in this whole thing. Which, but we'll do Best Picture,
you know, yeah, yeah, So after Nora with the Brutalist, Yeah,
the Brutalist, you know, we've the brutal Aiist.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
A complete unknown. You have seen that.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I just watched that last week.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Is oscar Worthy is like is like yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yes, I mean it's not like it's not like the greatest,
like I feel like the music biopic like trend or
just like they're they're always kind of very cook cookie cutter,
and this definitely falls into that range. But the performances
that the actors are giving, like Timothy Shallmey phenomenal. I'm
a huge Timmy t guy. I love it pretty much
every movie he's been and I've enjoyed He's been one

(15:48):
of the big parts about it that I've enjoyed the most.
I think he's Yeah, you look at the range and
one year he played Paula Trates and Doune Bob Dylan
and Willie Wonka, you know, like just like three just
completely all different sides of the spectrum. And he did
a great job in all of them. Uh No, I mean,
I'll be rooting for that. I'll be rooting for him
to win to win Best Actor, definitely.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
And I'll be rooting for him to get to be
named next year's Hasty Putting His Man of the Year,
because just Dune Wanka and and a complete unknown would
be an incredible theatrical show.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
And I think he would do it. I think he would.
I think he would totally.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Be definitely do it. So that's good. Uh. The Conclave
starring Raife Fines, Yes, Uh, that one looks so good
again the time, don't have the time, but but it is.
It is on my list to watch. I heard the
cinematography is amazing. Rafe does an amazing job. Again, he's incredible.
Did you see how jacked he got for not for

(16:42):
not for Conclave, but how jacked he got for the
Odysseus movie that came out?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, So he plays Odysseus and and it's the last
act of that of that that story where he goes
back home and he has to fight like a dozen
men who want to marry his wife whatever whatever. But like,
but he comes back on it, he's like like ripped
and like but like how he described it was like
like a tight rope, like because he's older, he's like
in his sixties, but so he wanted to be like
very like very like low fat tight. I don't know

(17:10):
why I'm gushing over. Ray findes his body so much.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
He's I mean, did you see his body in Harry Potter.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It was the very lasting but before he died is
very wrinkly.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I remember, Yeah, mishing a nose, I believe. But ray
Fin got to love him.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
He gotta love Dune Part two as well.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Not surprised it's nominated for Best Picture. Uh so disappointed
that the man who directed the film not nominated for
Best Director.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah. I don't know what he did to deserve that,
because he is I mean yeah, I mean with his
vision makes that movie what it is.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's incredible. How how that is allowed to happen? Yeah, No,
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
I don't know what. I don't know who he I
don't know who he ticked off over at the Academy.
But that's that was crazy to make.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, we'll get into the directors in the second. But
Josh Brolin, after the awards the nominations were announced, he
posted on Instagram or wherever talking just basically calling out
the Oscars and just saying, Denise al Nev, you deserve
to be nominated, you deserve to win because you are amazing.
You're incredible, and the fact that you were now recognized

(18:12):
is like a travesty. Don't quote me, but that's like,
that's the vibe of what he post.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Guy Josh Brolin, ready to go to your guys defense.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I know, my goodness. So it's it's incredible that he
was not nominated. Amelia Perez, as you mentioned, Best Picture,
I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Saw the trailer for this and have heard a lot
of buzz about it. It's Brazil's entry for International Film.
I believe the general thing is it's about a woman
whose husband is a politician in Brazil who is arrested
and essentially made to disappear, and her like fight about
that whole situation. I believe the the main the main
woman of Fernanda tor I forget her last name, but

(18:52):
I know her first name is Fernanda, and she is
apparently fantastic. I saw these great videos on Twitter of
like the dewscasters in Brazil like watching the announcement and
everyone going nuts. Yeah, and they were like, no, there
wasn't just like a World Cup goal scored. Like it's
just that this movie got nominated for Best Picture and
I'm looking forward to seeing it. I think it's it's
gotten a lot of fun buzz.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
No, that looks so cool and and what also looks
cool and getting a lot of great buzz is Nickel boys.
This is a very like small production film based around
I don't know them in the plot, but I saw
the trailer and I was intrigued. But this one what
interested me the most was that it was filmed in
like thirty days. Yeah, and they had to cut like
four days of filming because of like weather related issues,
and so they had like very little rehearsal time. The director,

(19:34):
as I mentioned, he was on Variety, Oh yeah, because
it may have been Variety where the directors sit down
together and he was talking about the production of it
and the challenges they faced. But given all the challenges,
they accomplished something, and apparently it's a great film. The
two young actors who play the leads are incredible. Based again,
given that there was no time to rehearse or practice,

(19:57):
they just went like they kind of running gun kind
of shooting. In the end, they came out very well.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I'm excited to see that sometime. I don't really
know much about it, but I do know that like
part of its film than like first person. Yeah, so
I think it's really cool. So yeah, no, definitely looking
looking forward to checking that one out.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
No, that looks good the substance. We both reviewed that
last week.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Check it out film.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Not surprised that it's nominated and wicked, Yeah, very fun.
Don't see too many musicals nominated for Best Picture?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah we got two this year? What are the odds?
And I guess you could even I would even argue
that a Complete Unknown as a musical because there's so
much music of that as well.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know what snub was a joker ad do Oh yeah,
what was it?

Speaker 2 (20:37):
What did Nicky Glazer make that jokes is? Where's the
Joker table at the Golden Globes? Oh god, I can't
believe I watched that movie.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Oh my goodness, I did not watch that movie. I
saw the first movie. You know, I really really enjoyed it,
and I think it's aged pretty well. I know some
people have like mixed thoughts on it, but I think
it's it's a solid film. And and Joaquin won an
Oscar for that preservavely. So he is nominated, however, for
a Razzie for Worst Actor, I guess for for for
joker parts.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
So I mean it was one of those things where
like they weren't kidding that that movie is a musical
and I was shocked.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Oh my goodness, let's go, let's continue this. Shocked because
Best Director Emelia Perez Jacques add Yard. I'm pretty sure
I'm butchering, butchering, Yeah, but she nominated for Best Director.
Sean Baker, fantastic, super happy for him, super happy for him.
Uh he I want to see the one with Willim Dafoe,

(21:31):
the one where he works at a Florida project. Florida Project.
That looks so good.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
That was my first Sean Baker movie I ever saw,
and it was such a unique way of telling telling
a story. I loved it. And then I remember for
a class I had to watch his his debut film, Tangerine,
which I'm not sure if you're familiar with that one,
and he was filmed all like an iPhone five, the
whole feature film filmed on an iPhone and it looks great.
It's amazing that they were able to produce something like
that with an iPhone.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Super happy for him, well deserved.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well deserved. Brady Corbet also the director of The Brutalist Yeah,
nominated for Best Actor for Best Director.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Now in hot Water, Now in hot.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Water, Yeah, get out of here, Actually, get out of
here Corbet. Let's see Coroli far giacht for the substance
of Coralai Corali fargiatt substance orally she's also a friendch
I believe, Yes, Okay, that's Mike excuse for not pronouncing
her name correctly and James Mangold for a complete unknown.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, it's definitely gonna be interesting. I hope that Sean
Baker wins that. I think it will be well deserved.
I mean, he got I believe he got Best Director
at the can Film Festival this year, so it wouldn't
surprise me if if that ends up repeating.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
And now we're moving on to the Best Actor in
a leading role. Do you want to take it away?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah? No, So we got Adrian Brody, as we mentioned,
for the Brutalist. Obviously it's been it's been a little
controversial now with the whole ai thing on his accent.
You know whether or not you think that you know
someone can win Best Actor when they have that. I mean,
but honestly, when we think about it, like probably not
the first time this has happened. Yeah, I wonder how
long this this app has been around for and what
other great performances that might have been used.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
On Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, Adrian Brody again a
great actor. He can't take that away from him. But
oh yeah, still a great some baggage. Yeah, so great
performance Timothy Shalla may I call him Timothy Shallama a
complete unknown again, you get you.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I could gush about that performance all day. I mean
he really he has it now.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I don't wanna again. I still plan to see it.
But is he singing like I'm assuming he sings like
Bob Daylan.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
He does, and I'd argue he's probably better singer than pop.
Oh that's not a high bar. Though he's not a
better songwriter Bob, you get that. But no, I mean definitely,
I mean it's it's uh he sounds good. And and
the other actors that sing in the movie as well,
even the actor that is playing Johnny Cash does a
does a decent job. It's hard to hard to replicate

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Johnny Cash. Yeah, he did his best.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Uh. Coleman Domingo did his best, certainly in sing sing.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Phenomenal than nominal. He is unbelievable. I'm so happy that
he got nominated for this, his second year in a
row getting the Best Actor. No, if he was to win.
That would also be amazing.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Ray Fianes Conclave and Sebastian Stan The Apprentice. Yeah, there's
the other movie with Sebastian Stan. I think he was
nominated twice in the one category for the Boston Globe,
Boston Globe for the Golden Globes. Yes, and what's it
called the is it something man?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
The I think it's a different man. I don't want
to confuse it with the with was it better man? Batman?
That's the monkey want?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, really transformed himself into a monkey.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
But no, yeah, I've I've I haven't seen either of those,
but I have heard good things about both performance.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I really want to say a different man because
his his speech for because he won the Globe, his
speech was so moving and the man who who plays
like I guess the other half later, the later developed
character in that film. You know, just the strength and
bravery to put yourself out there and tell that kind
of story again and speaking out for those with disabilities.

(24:55):
So go Sebastian Stan. I am a stand for Sebastian Stan.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I always love seeing po the big MCU guys having
success here.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, and actually I'm doing the roles that are just
out of there. You know what people expect.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Look at our DJ last year paid off for him.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I know. Yeah, good for our DJ, and good
for the ladies who are nominated for Best Leading Role,
Best Actress. Cynthia Arrivo Wicked of course, yep, the wickedly
talented Cynthia Arrivo, Gravity defined. We have a carl So
Sophia Gascon for Emelia Perez, Mikey Madison Honora.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm hoping that. I'm hoping that she'll
she'll win it. I mean, I think she's done a
fantastic job. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if the
next person on this list to be more for the substance.
I mean, you know, she's had such an illustrious career.
Apparently this is the first OSCAR nomination. I did not
know that.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, So people are are theorizing that Demi might get
it just because of maybe one of those legacy or
our lifetime achievement.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Jamie Lee Curtis a couple of years ago with.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
I'm not sure she I'm not saying, I won't say anymore.
I won't say anymore, but I'm pulling for Mikey I
think Demi did in a fantastic job. But I have
a soft spot for for Anora and Mike. He really
really all those characters. You can go more to it.
You know, we're great in that film. But she was
fantastic too.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
And then Fernando Torres with I'm still here, so I
did have her name right happy about that. Everything I've
heard is that she's fantastic. I again have not seen it,
but I do want to watch that and see if
you know it's all it's cracked up to me because
like it's I've heard a lot of really good things
about it.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
And coming up next we have that. I'm actually really
excited for this one again. Another Anora Best Actor in
supporting role is Ura Borisov. Yes, he plays igor In
in the in the film, and I watched when he
was interviewed by somebody back in Russia or I don't
know exactly Russia, but he was. He was he was
doing an interview on Skype and in frame was obviously

(26:51):
was Europe, but also his two daughters and his wife
behind him, and they're all just like smiling the biggest
smile as they're being interviewed, and you know, you could
just just see the pride of the family has for
for him, for their father, for their husband. And his
character was one that surprised me because again we will

(27:13):
get into the spoilers of it, but that surprised me
with how it attached I was to him.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, and and how attached you get to him without
him even saying much. It's it's such a it's such
a well unspoken performance, like his presence in the way
you can see him thinking and he's taking in what's unfolding.
It's so captivating. And I remember seeing that he was
nominated for this and being really intrigued by that because
I mean and I after looking him up, I found

(27:40):
that he was he's like an actual actor because a
lot of Sean Baker movies he doesn't even use actors.
He just finds people that he things would do a
really good job. And I saw, oh, he's he's an
accomplished Russian actor and he did a he did a
fantastic job, I thought, I mean, he's there's so much
he does and says without even doing anything or saying it.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's a lot of eye acting. Yeah, So like so
many moments where you just see he hit on an
eye pivot, an eyebrow raise or lower, a glance to
the left or right, and you could you totally know
what he's thinking. Yeah, And he kind of acts as
the viewer or the audience for the film, who is
kind of going along with with this ride and who's

(28:16):
seeing who's kind of like kind of stepping out of
the box and just seeing all the players and how
everybody's moving and how everybody is acting, treating each other,
how things are playing out. So he's like us as
as the movie unfolds. So I'm really happy for him.
He seems like a really nice guy, lovely family and
again a very moving kind of a interview that he did.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Kieran Coulkin fantastic, He was great. I mean this, this,
this whole category is just like just stating some great performances.
I mean, I believe that Kieran Colkan is like the
runaway favorite to win it, which I mean, well, he
did do a great job. I'm surprised that he's as
favor to win as he is, only because there are
so many other great performances in this year. It doesn't
seem like as much of a lock as it should be.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, I feel like last year who walked away with
so many awards Last year, I forget which film, but
everybody was kind of just pulling for that film or
kind of expecting that film to win. But this year
it's it's like it's anybody's a game. Many of these categories,
and again in this category two, we have Edward Norton
in A Complete Unknown. Who does he play?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
He plays Pete Seeger, the the folk music legend. He
does a really good job. I mean, I'm a big
ed Norton guy. Yeah, And I will say the only
thing that took away from it for me is he
looks so much like Peyton Manning. I don't know if
that's like a weird way, Like his forehead is like
really big and he has like the Peyton Manning forehead.
But no, he does a great job as you know,
a soft spoken, but you know powerful Pete Seeger in

(29:41):
that movie. Yeah, I know, super happy for him. And
then in The Brutalist, I mean guy Pierce, he plays
the wealthy businessman that sort of finances Adrian Brodie's character,
and he was one of the high points in the
movie for me as well. I mean, like he's he's
in the first act a little bit, but the second
act he really kind of just like lets it fly

(30:01):
and they just kind of let him go. And he
was a huge, huge bright spot in this movie.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Is he over the top? Am I say over the top?
I don't mean like just out of control? But like
is he like like his presence very demanding, very strong?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yes, and he and he mixes it between these moments
where he's very like positively enthusiastic and he's just like,
you know, is really appreciating everything, and then he can
flip into this like deranged anger. You know, it's it's
it's amazing the the the not the depth, the how
wide of a performance he has. I can't find the

(30:34):
right word for it, but you know he's got a
very varied performance that that I think is great.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
No, that's awesome. Again, I can't wait to watch it
when I have three and a half hours to kill. Also,
Jeremy Strong The Apprentice to Succession.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
People in this category kind of love it kind of.
I haven't seen The Apprentice, but I have heard that
he's great.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
And great stuff. Let's move on to best actress in
a supporting role, also a complete unknown. Monica bar Barboa
Barbara Barbaro, barbaro, Yeah, Monica Barbaro.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
H yeah, she she plays Joan Bias. Uh, that does
a very good job. I was I was a fan. Yeah, no,
it'd be just very solid performance.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Awesome Ariana Grande and Wicked again. Wicked is getting a
lot of love. I was haaving sice because then not
all musicals do. But you know, this one again getting
acclaim and praise all around, so uh, not too surprising.
It should be that Ariana Grande is nominated, Felicity Jones
and the Brutalist Isabella Rossellini in Conclave and Zoe's Saladinia

(31:37):
in Emilia.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Perez, who I think will probably be the winner. I
know she's won, well, she won for uh, she won
for the she won the Golden Globe for Musical and Comedy.
I don't remember who won the the drama one. I
don't remember who got that, but uh, it seems like
she'll pro I I can't imagine with thirteen nominations that
Amelia Perez is gonna walk out with nothing. I mean,
it'll probably get Best Song because I don't think anything

(32:01):
from Wicked was nominated. But but I would not shock
me and I think I from what I I didn't
finish Amelia Prenz because I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, I heard the first twenty thirty minutes are great
and then after that it just drops.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
See for me, I the first twenty thirty minutes were
like unwatchable. I couldn't finish it. My girlfriend did finish it,
and she said that it ends a lot better than
it starts. But Zoe'sivania could at least tell from what
I saw that she did a good job.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
M all right, well let's see. Let's skip down to
uh there, there's adaptive screenplay, but I want to see
original screenplay. Yeah again, our our one of our favorite
movies of the year. A Nora, written by Sean Baker,
directed by Sean Baker.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Not surprised, Yeah, no, I mean it's uh, he's he's
such got such a unique way of storytelling, and it's
it's good to see him getting there. I mean, I
think he did get nominated for something for Florida project.
But I'm glad to see that they're really they're really
giving him his flowers because he's he's very good at
what he does.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
A shout out to Mac and Goo. He is Mac
of Mac and he he when they reviewed Anora, and
he was raving on about how much he loved it,
possibly his favorite movie of the year, but he said
it should win the Oscar for Best Gameplay. Yeah, and
you know, and there's a there's it's very very good.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, and I think alongside the rest of these nominated
nominees it definitely I think it should be the favorite. Personally,
I mean, the Brutalist it's good. Yeah, definitely good. I mean,
I had my qualms with with the with the screenplay,
I think it kind of you know, he kind of
loses a lot of little bit of momentum in the
second half. But you know, it's a three and a
half hour movie. You know, it's gonna be hard to
keep that energy going the whole time.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Could anything be cut for the movie? Because in that case,
if you feel like again again I'm not I'm no
editor film editor, but like at certain point you're you're thinking, yeah,
we have a lot of great moments, but if there's
a lull or there are places that I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think I think personally for me, I think there
would be portions that I prefer would have just been different,
like just rewritten, and maybe that could have made it shorter.
But you know what do I know? I'm not a
I'm not a screenwriter.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
My wife and I have this that debate, but we
have like this our mutual kind of like rants about
movies that if they would have tweaked certain things or
gone different directions, it would have been a much better film,
for example. And not to go off off, you know,
off the beaten path, but Gladiator too? Did you watch
the Gladiator too?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Have not?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I do want to see that though I don't want
to spoil it, but I will. I'm kidding god, So
I've had plenty of time. So so what's his name?
I'm playing on my favorite guy's name, Patter Pascal patro
Pascal's character. He plays a general. There's a part in
the in the movie where he's like, hey, I have
a loyal one thousand army soldiers who are willing to

(34:41):
like who would have my back if we were to
overthrow the emperors? Like they got my back? We got
a plan, we could we can do this. Cool. And
then five minutes later, kind of like in the original
Gladiator Too, when they're trying to break out Maximus from
prison because there's this plan, it gets it gets shuddered,
like everybody gets arrowed in the chest, and so Pedro
Pascal he survives, but everybody else gets arrowed. Like in

(35:03):
the first one, Maximus survives, but everybody else gets arrowed.
But the thing is like if they would have used
if they would have gone in that path where they
had written it, So Pedro Pascal answer Paul Mescal's character
end up in the in the coliseum, because that's like
you want to see them to fight. Sure, you can
still have had that scene, but have a point where
like now and then the army comes in, then you

(35:24):
have this big war, big battle in the colisseum. That
would have been so great. But they said, oh, we're
gonna do this thing. Oh that looks so awesome. Five
minutes later, nothing's happened. Move on, like whoa.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's like the the The Knights of Wren and the
Star Wars thing where it's like, oh, the Knights of
Wren and they just immediately are all killed, Like who cares?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Okay, yeah, so they so my wife and I have
so many things were like, if they just do this
or this, it would have been a movie ten times better.
We're no screenwriters. But if they invite me or my
wife or yourself off the street do this instead like that.
It would have worked better.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Us in the focus group screeners. Come on, you know,
we got thoughts.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
We got takes, we got there, and they're always rights.
What's also right is these other nominees for Original Screenplay
we mentioned The Brutalist, A Real Pain.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Super happy for Jesse Eisenberg. I think this is the
first movie he's written as far as I know, But
you know, good for him.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, go Jesse. September fifth. September five is how they
written it. I think that's a that's a movie where
the Israeli hostages.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah. I was intrigued because I assumed it was a
story about like that, but it's it's sort of from
the trailers have gathered. It's a story about the ABC
sports team that was covering it, and obviously they played
a big role in the historical event. But I was
a little surprised to see that's the angle that they
took for it.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
As somebody in news. That actually does intrigue me.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Plus the main actor, I'm blanking on his name, but
he's been in so many great things and he is
anything that he's in. I'm I'm more willing to watch
and so September five also the substance.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Great movie, very original.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, well said. But the thing is, I think I'm
just pulling a number out of my butt right now.
But the entire film, the screenplay has probably like, for example,
one hundred and thirty pages, but they're like thirty pages
of dialogue. Yeah, that's how they described it. Is that
kind of like, you know, a comparison of just like

(37:21):
how long it is, which isn't very long, but compared
to like the actual words in it is even less.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
But with that even it's still a great movie. Let's
move on to cinematography. Unless you're an interested in feature
animated feature films.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
The only thing I'm just I saw that Flow. It's
the international nominee from Latvia has been nominated for this
and Best International Film. It's like, it's like a story
about like a cat and a bunch of animals from
a great flood. Looks really interesting, which really cute. I
do want to watch that.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I saw Inside Out too. I forgot it came out
this year and a billion dollars, but it came out
early this year or last year, twenty twenty four and
Inside Out too great. The first one is great, fantastic movie.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
That's my favorite.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
This one's just as good.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
And the Wild Robot. I don't know if you saw that.
It's really fun, it's really cute. I think especially for
for you as a as as a parent, I think
it might resonate with a lot of It's a big
story about, like, you know, being a parent and what
and what it takes to be a parent.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I heard, yeah, I heard that they may be making
a part two because like this a book is a series,
and so the part two may be in the works
because it was very popular.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
That'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
So so that one's good cinematography I'm very interested in
because all these films, all these films look beautiful. I
can't speak for Amelia Perez, but The Brutalist looks great,
looks great. Dune Part two. I don't think anything needs
to be said.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
But let's say it anyway, should win, should win by far.
I mean you look at the I remember actually the
you know the beginning of the movie, how they're the
there's the eclipse scene. Yeah, that there was an actual
eclipse that happened, real eclipse, Like I think that's insane.
That they that they were able to do that, and
they made it work like that.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
It's just what they did too, is they use as
much natural sunlight as possible, so much so that they
actually got drones and with light art they scanned all
the mountains, all the dunes no pun intended, but all
the physical literal dunes and everywhere they were going to film.
And then they they timed it and they used astrology
to pinpoint exactly when the sun was going to be
at certain points. So when they went out there, because

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they had to travel out there to film these shots,
they they it was all a science and and and
you know, in the in the tech sense and in
the astrological sense, uh uh, it's crazy. It's crazy. And
then so they used as much natural lighting as possible.
And then also you mentioned that one thing that stood

(39:43):
out in my mind is they use many films. They
use one camera to film. Really Scott famously uses like
six cameras because he came from the background of filming shows. Yeah,
and so they would use like the multi camp setup.
And it was funny because the nevel Nev was saying, like,
I cannot imagine trying to operate more than one camera
because I need a singular vision of what of what

(40:04):
I want to be on the screen. And so yeah,
so not surprised. I think it should win also Best Cinematography,
Greg Pfizer, Go Go Fraser, Go Go Go Go. Amelia
Perez also nominated for Best Cinematography Maria. I'm not sure
what that is.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Have not. It's a biopic about Maria Callis. I think
I'm saying her name right, famous opera singer. The only
thing I know about it is that it was Ed Lackman, apparently,
is just like every time he makes a movie he's nominated.
So I think they just throw him in there because
like he's just like, you know, he's just really good
at cinematography.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
We didn't watch the movie, but we trust you.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I trust him.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I trust him No Saratu Jaron Bloshki Blashki. One thing
I talked about during my review of No Sparatu on
The Help on Hollywood was the cinematography. Yea, because they
use a lot of like grays and blacks and whites.
And even though it's very very you know, there's a

(41:01):
very limited color in this film, very muta colors. They
it's shot so beautifully, like every shadow is used eloquently
to perfection every black and contrast. Uh is beautiful. The
world looks amazing, the actors, the tone. I can rave

(41:23):
on about how beautiful Nosparatu looks, even though there's so
many disgusting imagery in that film. Yeah, that disgustingness looks beautiful.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah. And I mean Robert Eggers is fantastic at what
he could do with with the camera and making those
movies look the way they do. I mean, I love
I've the Lighthouse, the all black and white. I mean,
just you talking about the shadows and that. I mean,
it's so well shot. I'm wondering if it was the
same cinematographer. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. But no, s Fratu,
that that one. If if if Dune Part two doesn't win,

(41:53):
I would go for nos Fratu. You know that would
have my vote.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Let's go through. We could skim it through. Costs, design
complete unknown. Uh do they match the same? It takes
place during the seventies, right, Yeah, The.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Bob Dylan outfits looked pretty spot on. Are they pretty? Like?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
It's like it's like a Jane jacket, right, yea?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
The whole time, the sunglasses in the hair. I think that. Yeah,
I think they did a.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Solid job Conclave Gladiator to you know, really great Roman attire, uniforms,
arm and stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
It's said those those are definitely two shoeings for sure.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, they actually used the same armor that that Russell
Crowe used and Gladiator for for sequence or seen in Gladiators.
That's so again they're trying to pull that nostalgia, those
nostalgia strings for people. Also, No Saratu beautiful like Victorian
era German Victorian era dresses and suits, very beautiful, wicked

(42:49):
also wickedly beautiful.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Wickedly beautiful. Some great costumes in that movie.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Great costumes, let's see. Uh there's film editing make them
and hair. If you want to get into this, I'm
not sure.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
But the only one that I feel super strongly about
that we didn't talk about was score.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Oh yeah, I'm a.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Huge film score guy. I took I took a great
class in college about like the history of film score
and it was one of my favorite classes that ever took.
And the fact that Challengers score did not get nominated,
I mean, you look at it won the Golden Globe.
Trent Rezident and Ataicus Rocks to well respected. You know,

(43:29):
I was gonna say choreographers, the the composers, that's what
I'm looking for, uh, and one of the mean this
this this score sold like a lot of records this year,
like it was it was a hit score, and the
fact that it didn't even get considered at all just
shocked me.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I heard it's very like, it's very it's.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Very like like a lot of like running. It's like
it's like techno stuffing you hear in like a club,
and like I remember I was watching the interview with
the director and he was saying, like that's what he wanted,
Like he wanted it almost to be like he wanted
the people watching the movie to like want to get
up dance while they're watching it. And like there are
times where it doesn't hit for me, Like it's a
little overpowering at times, and sometimes I think like the

(44:08):
style of music it is doesn't fit every scene it's in,
but as a whole, it does such a great job
of elevating how crazy that story is. And the fact
that it's not nominated, I am shocked. But pulling for
The Brutalist in that one. The score of The Brutalist
is phenomenal conclave is good as well?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Yeah, excellent. Well those are our those are the nominees
and as well as our our thoughts on some snubs
and some well deserved nominations. Let us know who you
think got snubbed, got ignored, got rejected? Who should lead
a rebellion to overturn whoever's nominating his?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Lady Gaga should be in there for joker?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Lady Gaga Yeah she tried, Yeah, yeah, what the heck?
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Yeah all right?

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Also help social media at Hub on Hollywood. YadA, YadA, yeah,
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want to talk about? First? A complete unknown or anora
not not? Oh yeah? Which you want to talk about? Sing?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Sing? Or I'll talk about sing sing. I think I've
kind of hit everything I needed to say on a
complete or known. I mean, you know, just if you're
a fan of that type of music, go watch it.
My favorite joke I saw about it was if people
thought that the people singing during Wicked was bad, just
wait till I whip out my harmonica at a complete unknown.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I feel like a harmonica is like some people viewed
as a weapon. It's like, how could you bring that
out and and flaunt it.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
In PUBLICA It's a what do you? What do you?
It's like it's a high brow kazoo. You know.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Actually, okay, So here's here's a great story. So my so,
I once went to San Francisco. I loved the Sacramento
for a bit. We call it the city San Francisco.
So we went over there with a couple of friends
who are visiting, and we went to a store beautiful harmonica,
beautiful harmonica. I was like, you know what I'm living
over here in Sacramento. Bout myself. I'm gonna learn to answerment.
I tried the guitar, not good at it, So let

(46:17):
me try harmonicas he's a little more in my lane.
And so I bought the harmonica. It was like, I
don't know, sixty bucks. It was a nice one. Left
it in San Francisco. It's on a bench somewhere a
Jane is playing.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
And now you could have been the next bomb.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah. So that's my harmonica story. In case everyone should
have a harmonica story.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Listeners at home, let's start a go fund me to
get James another harmonica.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
My wife will kill me, my wife.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
You know what that is fair?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
My wife will kill me.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I'm sure. I'm sure your cat with all of the
sound of harmonica.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Absolutely. So Singsing? What's Singsing about?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
So? Sing Sing is about a group of people that
are incarcerated at the Sing Sing Prison in Upstate New York.
Which did not know that was a real place. I
watched it. We've heard about it, but I forgot it's
and it's about this. It's based on a true story
and which is really cool. And I'll talk about how
that's sort of weaved in a little bit later, But

(47:14):
it's about these these people that are at the prison,
that are in the prison and they take part in
this theater program where it's essentially a way to help them, Uh,
you know, rehabilitate themselves, but also to help them, you know,
deal with a lot of the emotions that they're feeling about,
you know, being in prison and stuff like that. They
put on plays, they put on musicals, and it's just
sort of the story about how you know, Coleman Domingo

(47:35):
is the main character, is is navigating through that. He's
trying to win his clemency for his uh, you know,
thing that got him put in jail, and he's trying
to help other people and just like you know, going
through the whole process.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Tell me, he has to perform and then if he
wins the on the theatrical, he wins his freedom.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I mean basically like in a in a really like
metaway like kind of because they look it's it's it's
a really interesting exploration and how like art can elevate
oneself and be one's like liberation, you know, because like
he uses that as a way to you know, rehab

(48:13):
himself and to make himself more you know, to make
himself look like he's ready to go back into the
into the real world. And how that program helped so
many people do the same. And the thing that's really
cool about it is because it's based on a true story. Uh,
the actors that are in the movie are actually incarcera
actual incarcerated individuals that and I believe some of them

(48:35):
actually took part in the program and the sense won
their freedom, oh wo won their freedom. And they weren't
like actually competing for it, but they, you know, they
sense were able to have their you know, go on
parole arc at clemency and have now you know, are
now out and then the real world again. And I
thought it was it was really interesting, you know, talking
about how you know, before it's like as Sean Baker
using non actors, these people, you know, I mean, I
actually I would be unfair to call them non actors

(48:56):
because they were stage actors and to see the the
and this isn't as much of a spol but in
the credits, they they show like actual clips of the
actual performances they put together, which I think is really cool.
It was cool kind of to see the full circle
and it's just it's heartbreaking, it's heartwarming all at the
same time. And I'm I'm downright shocked that this was

(49:17):
not nominated for your Best Picture. I mean, it is
the one of the most best picture movies I've ever seen,
like maybe when that's one thing. I think in a
different year, this would easily be nominated and probably be
a front runner. I do remember reading a lot about
it and talking about how they think that just a
lot of like the rollout for it is kind of
what did it end for not getting nominated? I mean
it was released, I want to say, in like the
late spring, not to a lot of theaters, so it

(49:40):
didn't get a ton of buzz, and they brought it
back into theaters. But it's the same weekend as The Substance,
So everyone's going out and see The Substance because it's
just won a bunch of awards and people have been
talking about it. But more people need to see this movie.
It is, it is. It's important, you know, Like there
are movies that are fun, there are movies that are exciting,
there are movies that are important. I think this movie
is important, and I think it's something that people should

(50:00):
see because of the messages trying to tell.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
You that's cool. So like when you're when you're watching it,
do like I don't want you to give a spoiler,
but like I was gonna ask you, how does this end?
But no, no, but like so, but it ends I'm
assuming with a bit the big datrical experience.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
So actually they kind of subvert your expectations a little bit.
They you see a lot of them rehearsing. You don't
actually see the show itself, but you see the build
up to it and the aftermath of it and how
it impacts everyone in it and how they grow as people.
I mean, the performances from these guys in the movie.
I mean, they're the people that you know, they're the
you know, the stage actors. They you know, they're not

(50:39):
traditionally in movies. I mean, they they're great. There are
some guys in there that I feel like, could Bob
probably have like actual careers, you know, in acting from
based on the performances they put through. I mean, again
not to discount what they've done. I mean they were
actors like they were on the stage. And to see
the see the actual productions that they did and the
videos at the end was was really cool. And to
see what these uh, what these guys achieved, it's definitely

(50:59):
worth a while.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
So I'm assuming it may be in theaters or back
in theater.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
It's back in theaters, I don't know. What it's on
streaming wise, I know, I'm pretty sure you can rent it.
But yeah, and another move it did. One other thing
I'll throw in, but like beautiful looking like I don't
know what it was shot on, but like it looks
like it was shot on really good film and it
definitely could have been a cinematography nod in my book,
it was. It looks fantastic. It's it's it's an emotional ride,

(51:26):
but the payoff is is good and the it's it's,
it's it's worth a watch. I would I encourage everyone
to go see it.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Excellent, Go see Sing Sing and then the sequel Sing
Sing three two Sing Sing Sing. Sorry about that now?
Yeah excellent? All right. So and lastly, to wrap up
the episode, let's talk about Anora. This is a full
spoiler review because no excuses seen it by now. If

(51:54):
you haven't seen Anora, pause the podcast, watch it, and
then come back immediately after watching it so you can
join in right now. Okay, cool, Okay, So so again,
this one was heard a lot of really good buzz
I heard that it was and I think in the
trailer it describes itself as a pretty woman meets uncut gems.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
That's the perfect way of subscribing it. Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
And the thing is, so I heard, I heard good
things about it, did not see any reviews, do not
watch anything, or I wanted to go in just knowing
the bare minimum of like the synopsis, and and I
did watch the trailer, but this is it had been
a while since I had seen it. Before watching the movie,
and after, like most movies, I watch a film, I
let myself digest it for a bit and then I

(52:45):
go to my my favorite reviewers and to see what
they're see what they think as well. And the thing,
the same thing popped up and I had and I
hadn't seen this, or at least I didn't remember. So
maybe it was subconscious or it was subliminal, But in
my head I was thinking, is pretty Woman. But then
at the end of it, the second and third act
feels like uncut Gems because you kind of feel that

(53:06):
not bad anxiety, but just like that excitements, that rush
of things are in motion, adrenaline, the adrenaline. One of
my favorite reviewers said that he goes pretty Woman and
uncut Gems, and I was like, oh my god, that's
that's the perfect description for it and and again without
the anxiety, but yeah, just that rush of of what unfolds.

(53:28):
But basically again so for those who are who have
have should have seen it by now. Anora, a young
escort and stripper from Brooklyn, gets her chance at a
Cinderella story when she meets and impulsively marries the son
of a Russian oligarch. This movie starts out well. Firstly,
this stars Mikey Madison, nominated for Best Actress in a

(53:50):
Leading Role. She's perfect, fantastic in this film. Did not
know what I knew that she was in Once upon
Time in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, as the movie that spawned a million careers. Yeah,
it's insane. The amount of like minor characters is also
in there too, Sydney Sweeney, Austin.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Butler, she wasn't small, but Dakota Fanning is also in
there too. Yeah, I didn't recognize.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
It's it's crazy to think how many like big name
people played like minor roles in that movie.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah. So yeah, so Mikey Madison, and again many of
these actors are Russian, and so I'm butchering their names
unless you know them.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Uh Yousov is that this is at least the guy
who's nominated for Best Sporting Actor.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah, he plays Igor, one of the henchmen, one of
the Boons. Yeah, I love those guys. Uh, Mark idel Shaven,
he plays Yvonne.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Oh yeah, that's a hard one. I won't even bother.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
That was a tough one. Uh. Surprisingly favorite character, Toros
played by Karen Karagulian Yea is a fantastic character. And
then you have the other henchman, Vatch twelve Mason as Garnick.
And I didn't realize I was gonna be in enjoying
all of these characters.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Oh my god, it's I mean, I for for the
SAG Awards, like Best Ensemble wrapped up. They are hilarious together.
I mean like it almost like I love the people
say it like it turns into like a slapstick comedy
halfway through, and it's almost like I was gonna say,
it's like, uh, pretty woman, uncut gems. And also just
like the Three Stooges, honestly, just like yeah, yeah, exactly,

(55:23):
just like the the the high jinks that they're when
they first go to the house and this is you know, spoilers,
when they first go to the house to you and
they have they have Mikey Madison's character Annie and Nora
when they have her tied up on the couch and
you know, Garnic is bleeding out of his nose and
Torros is screaming on the phone like it's just and
then the the and I love the My favorite like
subtle scene in this whole movie is when Torres leaves

(55:45):
the church in the middle of the baptism and all
the people in the crowd are like, oh my God,
like groaning out of him is so funny, oh so good.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
So it's just a recap of the film. Basically, we're
introduced to Nora. She's at this high end strip club
in Brooklyn. That's where she meets the twenty one year
old Vanya, the son of Vanya, the son of an
extremely wealthy Russian you know parents oligarch of sorts. She
impresses him because she knows a little bit of Russian
because her grandma only spoke Russian. And that's how like

(56:16):
they build this initial connection in the strip club. Things
start out transactionally, and so you know, he gets a dance,
they drink, He is infatuated by her, and then he
tells her like, hey, I'll give you. I'll give you
like a thousand bucks or whatever amounts if you want
to meet me at my house and basically act as

(56:36):
an escort. And after a night spending you know, a
night together and having fun, and then you know, meeting
up again through a New Year's Eve party, he offers
her fifteen thousand dollars I believe fifteen thousand dollars to
be his girlfriend for like a week or two or
something something like that. They begin seemingly growing feelings for

(56:57):
each other, and then they decide on a whim after
you know, hanging out with his friends and everybody in
this group, to go to Vegas.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Oh yeah, go to Vegas, get married, and you know
what they say about what happens in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Don't tell your Russian parents.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I do not tell your ol Ard parents. No.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I will get to more into the plot, but really quick.
The Vegas things were fun because after their their marriage,
they got married at the Little White Chapel, they go
out to the strip and it's funny because you could
tell the I think they did like a running gun
kind of a shooting because you can see people in
the background, like in the distance, kind of like watching
the Mikey Madison and Vanya kind of like spinning saying,
we just got married, and like, you know, they're under

(57:33):
the lights and they're celebrating, but you can see in
the background just people kind of watching like they're filming
a movie over there. Yeah. No, and that's the one
thing I noticed.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No, And that's the cool thing about Sean Baker style
is he is very into that gorilla stuff. I mean,
talking about his first movie Tangerine, I mean it was
just shot on the streets of la with non actors
on an iPhone. Yeah, you know, when it turned into
a very celebrated feature film. I mean, he's just he
he has that unique way of being able to deliver
the performances and writing, directing and just out of you know,

(58:02):
people that might not even be actors or just in
the most plain situations, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yeah, and then things ramp up as after they get married,
they get back to to uh, this big mansion, and
that's when word starts to spread because of Vanya's friends
at the New Year's party, they say, oh, that's the escort.
So word gets around back to Russia where Vanya's parents are.
Uh parents reach out to Vanya's caretakers who are Toros,

(58:28):
and the two you know henchmen Garnic and and Uh
and the goons, the goons and and the one thing
the thing I love about this is that they didn't
go with the cliche of like these are mob boss
goons where they'll break your knuckles and they're they're mean
and they're evil. These are just guys who work for
this rich family. And then they're like, oh, we have

(58:49):
to we have to take you back to Russia because
your parents. And then Vanya just decides to you know,
make to book it, make it, make a run for it,
leaves behind Honora and then and that's when you know
they're trying to keep a Nora in the house. They
end up, you know, in this tussle, but there the
whole time they're trying to stay professional because because Garnic
is like yelling at Igor like why are you tying

(59:11):
her up? Like don't tie her? And he's like be careful,
She's be careful. She's feisty and whatever, she's gonna hurt you.
And then the scene where again literally they're fighting in
the room, mainly Honora's fighting and the and the two
guys are just taking it trying to be professional, like
we don't want to do it this, we don't want
to hurt you. And then the funniest thing was when
they were when Garnic was untying Annie's Anora's legs with

(59:34):
the you know, the telephone wire, and she like just
double kicks a double foot kicks them in the face.
He falls back into a glass table and then like
he has a concussion that continues to like progress, like
the symptoms throughout the entire movie is so hilarious, and
so I love that they were like evil, They're just
like we gotta be rich. We work for these rich people,

(59:55):
and we're just we're just trying to make.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
This and they just want to keep that connection alive.
They don't really care what they have to do. And
it's an igor just like we talked about it earlier.
But he's kind of just like they are taking it
all in, being like well this is crazy, right, you know,
you almost expecting to look at the camera and be
like can you believe this?

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah. So eventually Torros, you know, as you mentioned,
he was at this like this baptism of sorts, he
gets word from the from the parents like yeah, that
he got married, like, oh crap, like this this looks
bad on me because I'm supposed to be making sure
I Anne doesn't get into trouble. Now he got married
to an escort, and so he tries to He's rushing
over there while they're fighting with the Nora on the phone.
He's just like hearing commotion. He's like, don't hurt her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Tell me, somebody tell me what's going on. He shows
up and then as like she's tied up. He's like,
what the hell's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
They're like, be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Careful, boss, she's a tough one. That leads to them
eventually kind of taking a Nora hostage and trying to
find Banya, who's could be anywhere on the street. So
they're at Little Adventure, the four of them going to
like a diner, trying to fight literally strung random people.
A picture of like, do you know this kid, he's sick.

(01:01:02):
We got to take him back to his parents, YadA YadA.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah. The one of the reason why I love it
a lot is because they're by the Toros and Garnick.
They're both Armenian. Yeah, and uh, the I'll have a
lot of my friends from home our Armenian and just
like seeing the mannerisms of like Toros, and it was
just like that just reminds me of all their dads,
you know, Like it's so funny, just the and like
he goes up to the to the kids at the
bar and he's like, you kids, these days, you have
no respect, you know. It's so it's just such a classic,

(01:01:24):
like you know, like the the the boomer Father, and
it's just it's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I love the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Ye sorry, I was just saying, I just like it's
I'd almost would love to see just like an extended
version of just the four of them, just like solving
mysteries together.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
They're just like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
They're just so goofy and like and I like how
you how you brought up the point of how they're
not like these like hard grizzled guys that are gonna like,
you know, beat their the victim indosubmission and you know
they're gonna, you know, like I'm gonna break your kneecaps.
You know, they're just a bunch of guys just trying
to get a check, you know, like they're they're they're
they're goofing around, they're gooning around. You know, they're just
crazy guys.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I love the scene where they're they're driving to one
of the destinations try to find Vanya, and all of
a sudden a Garnic just like throws up, just throws
up again the symptom from a concussion that he got
from the room from Annie. And then you just hear
him like, oh my god, I had to clean this,
like my wife is gonna kill me. She's gonna smell this,
like it still smells like I know, like and like
this is the complaining of like, my wife's gonna kill

(01:02:18):
me because this is her car and that was getting
told and now I've ripped it apart. And the scene
where like, yeah, they leave the car like at the
pier area, they said, oh, let's just walk to like
this other location, this this restaurant. Take five minutes, Take
five minutes, and they just like that was a lot
more than five minutes. And just like little jokes like
that that keep your attention, that keep the movie moving.

(01:02:40):
The pacing is fantastic, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
And not to jump ahead to mention more of poor
Garnic when they go to the courthouse and they're like,
like make sure the car doesn't get ticketed if the
cops show up, move it and they come back and
you just as the camera's going by, you just see
the little orange thing on the windshield and Garnic just
in the front seat, like just past that. Toros is
just like, oh my god, I told you to do
one thing, and he's like, please let me go to

(01:03:03):
the hospital. I need the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Also the court scene also where they're they're they're trying
to get the marriage annulled. They find Vanya at the
strip club like again, he's like hammered out of his
mind and Noora is like, why are you like the
stand up for yourself, And this is when she's starting
to realize, like this guy doesn't care about me, like
like he left me with these you know, the theoretical
thugs that had no idea what they're gonna do to me,

(01:03:27):
and then you They find him back at the strip
club where he met Annie and he's drunk out out
of his mind. They go to the court try to
get this thing annulled, and the judge is like, one,
you're not this is in Vegas. You have to go
to Vegas and get Annold in too. Like this guy
is drunk, get the hell out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
And I love Torros just interrupting the judge constantly. It's
just like you and the camel jacket, like shut up,
you're not supposed to be talking right now, and she
cannot say that. It's like no sit down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Like the whole thing is just like again, like you said,
like three stooges me, it's like a kind of a
road trip, a buddy cup buddy road trip of sorts.
And they keep they keep hitting speed bumps and roadblocks
and it just gets funnier and funnier. But the thing is,
this isn't a flat out, straight out comedy. No, it's
also very you know, dark, because Honora, she's somebody who

(01:04:13):
you could tell she has dealt with trauma in her
past and and she thinks, you know, this is her
way out of a very difficult life or of a
career choice, you know, being an exost an escort, an
exotic dancer, and then to have the rug pulled out
from under her, to be told one not to realize
the one that Vanya doesn't really love her. He just

(01:04:35):
wants to marry her, to get a green car, to
stay in America, to stay away from his parents in Russia.
And then two the fact that you know that you know,
she threatens not only is her man her husband not
defending themselves or their marriage, but that he's going to
go off with what his parents want. But you know,
her threats of like I'm gonna I'm going to sue

(01:04:55):
and get everything and get half of everything you own
because we never signed a prenup. And then there's just
the straight reality of the mom coming straightforward saying, hey,
we are rich as hell, we are very well connected.
You are going to lose. This is not a Cinderella story.
This is not going to add how you think or
want it to end. This isn't a movie. And she

(01:05:16):
realizes this is not a movie, follows through with the annulment,
gets stopped off back at home with nothing but the
engagement ring that Igor saved for.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Her, Yeah, which I thought was such a nice gesture,
you know, because and he has that moment where he's like,
you know, you know, he's been, like we said earlier,
he's kind of sitting back and taking in everyone, how
they're interacting and you and they try to show you
despite the fact that he's you know, he tied her
up and was holding it down and stuff like that.
You know. Yeah, well, which and I thought was interesting.
He's like, I didn't insult you. It's like, well, she

(01:05:46):
bit him too, you know, I feel like he should
have thrown that back at her. But you know, like
they try to portray him as someone who at least
has some sort of like a moral pie ground, you know,
talking a lot about his grandmother. They try to portray
him as this like this nicer guy, you know, and
you know, that scene at the end is very powerful
and I thought about it a lot and from reading
about it, where you know, he does that for her,

(01:06:10):
he gives her the ring, and you know, she responds
to sort of thank him, and the only way that like,
you know, her life has conditioned her to do, you know,
and then they have that they're having that intimate moment
and you know, he's like trying to kiss her and
then she just breaks down. And there was a lot
of discussion about that scene and how you interpret it.
I mean, Mikey Madison even said She's like, you can
kind of tell how someone views the world based on

(01:06:31):
how they interpret that. And the way that I was
kind of looking at it in that moment is you know,
she always has this hope throughout this whole thing that like,
you know, Vinne's gonna get it together and like she's
gonna get out of this rut that she's been in.
And uh, and I think in that moment she kind
of realizes like like no, like you know, the one
of my friends he wrote a review of it that
I really liked where he is, Like she realizes, like

(01:06:52):
she's not going to Disney World. She's not gonna like
she has, sure she has the ring, but like you know,
she basically back where she was the week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Ago, a week ago with that albums behind from where
she started.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
And it's such a really interesting the whole movie, I mean,
and a lot of Sean Baker's work talks a lot
about sex work and it's such an interesting just like
I like how it's bringing the conversations about the industry
and what these people have to go through to the
forefront to the mainstream. I mean, this could win Best
Picture at this point. I mean not since like you know,
maybe like Midnight Cowboy winning Best Picture as a story
like that ever gotten that much recognition at the Oscars.

(01:07:26):
And yeah, I mean that that last scene really lingered
with me for a while. And I mean, like someone
say like, oh, well, I hate the ending. You don't
get it. It's like it's kind of the point like
Seawan Baker's movies, and very ambiguously and it's left to
think of, like how do you like? What do you
think about this?

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Yea, and even abruptly the abruptness of it too. You're
hoping for some a softer letdown, a softer exit from
the film, but it's it's as real. It's as cold,
literally as cold, because outside this snow is going. The
only thing you hear there's no music playing during that
intimate scene. You just hear the winchell wipers, and it

(01:08:01):
reminded me of just like a heartbeat, just like a
constant heartbeat. But like it it's a very cold scene,
very abrupt ending, and after it ends, you are kind
of left at least I was just like I need
a minute too, I need I needed some time to
soak this in. And and because you are, it's a
rollercoaster of like you have high ecstasy and passion in

(01:08:21):
the very beginning of the movie, and then you have
like the the twist into the second act where the
chase the cat and mouse skin begins, and that's the fun,
the levity, And then you have the third act where
the real world where you have these very wealthy people
showing the wealth the wealth disparity and what wealth and

(01:08:42):
what that power does in real life to real people
and and what that And then the very very very
final scene to where the mom just like puts her
foot down saying, this isn't any how you think it's
gonna end, don't try.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
It's not a Cinderella story.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Now worth it? And and you know, and Annie and Anora.
A part of the growth is that accepting it, just like, yeah,
I got dupes. I got dupes. I have to have
to call it because there's no winning this and and
leave and and try to and try to rebuild after that.
But yeah, Honora is an amazing film. If you haven't

(01:09:17):
seen it, I highly recommend it. We both highly recommend it.
Definitely I could win Best Picture, really hoping the actors
win when their nominations as well. But yeah, there's been
a while since a film left me feeling that way,
and I'm very happy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
You should watch Florida Project. It'll be feeling like that emptiness,
but in a completely different way. Yeah, you know, like
the ending of that movie is is just as heartbreaking
and just as in big ambiguous. You know, Sean Baker,
he's a genius. Good for him, go Sean excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Well, thank you so much for watching us on this
week's episode of The Hub on Hollywood. Kyle, thank you
so much for for being on the show. Would love
to have you back on. Of course, you know as
soon as possible. Jamie is coming back from assignments, so
we should be seeing her on the next week. But
comment down below, did you watch anor what are your thoughts?
Who do you think should be winning the Oscars, winning

(01:10:10):
all the awards, all the acclaim, all the praise at
the Oscars liberally looking forward to Conan O'Brien hosting. That's
going to be a great one. Shout out to Cynthia
Rivo for being named Hasey Pudding's Woman of the Year.
Also John ham Man of the Year and boo to AI.
It should be called the Buddleist.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
The Halloween version where everyone's a vampire exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Well, thank you very much. This was the Help on Hollywood.
It We'll catch you next time. I'm James and I'm
Kyle i'm back,

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