12-4-24 - 7am - Jan 6th Blanket Pardon and Michael Byrd

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael, it gets even better. The Colorado Department of AG
along with PAKFA in the state Health Department or in
the process of banning puppies from entering Colorado. Evidently Governor
Polis and Marlon aren't the animal advocates that they claim
to be, because thousands of puppies in Texas and New

(00:23):
Mexico will die.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Due to this new rule banning puppies.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Okay, we need more details, Michael Brown at iHeartMedia dot com.
What like like adopting from New Mexico or Texas.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Out of state adoptions?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, we know, well to state adoptions what dirt bags?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Anyway, we want I want more info in that.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
January sixth, twenty twenty one, in sir, today democracy almost died.
You know I find fascinating is that? But almost four
years later, now the stupid debate rages on, and not
just about what transpired, but about the aftermath, the arrest,

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the prosecutions, that continued incarceration of many involved, the lack
of trial for many people, the continued search. I don't know,
I don't have a time stamp on this particular video
that I saw yesterday, but it was another video of
another individual who is his wife and two children are

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subject to a pre dawn raid. A pre dawn raid.
Now I understand the logistics and why they do that,
but it's not necessary, absolutely not necessary for someone who
walked into the Capitol, walked around, did not even physically

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touch anything, and walked back out.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Now I could.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
If I were a prosecutor, I could make a case,
I think, a legitimate case for trespassing because there is
a proper way to go into the United States Capitol,
and there is an improper way, and there are some
areas that are closed to the public. Even I can't
get no I can. There are parts of the US

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Capitol that even I can no longer get into. I
used to have access to the entire building, even the
places that people don't know about it.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I had access to all of it.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
But I can make a case for someone who walked
into a side door, walked in, looked around, turned around,
walked back out. I can make an argument for trespassing,
just as I can make an argument for someone trespassing
at the undisclosed location because they want to cross through
our property to get down to the river because they
want to go fish in the river.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But let's say, I, let's say that I go to the.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
County prosecutor and file a complaint against you know, dragging
a red beard for crossing the property line at the
end disclosed location to go fishing. Well, he might get convicted,
or he might get a ticket. Uh, and he might
pay a fine, or he might be subject to, you know,

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thirty days in jail, depending how egregious it was. Well,
once they figure out who he is, they probably would
give him thirty days in jail, but it would probably
be all suspended. Just you know, you'd be you'd be
put on probation for thirty days. Now they're throwing these
people in prison and in one of the worst crap
hole prisons in the entire country. It's time for Trump,

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as he you know, it's I was going to say
it's time for Trump as he is going to step
back into the presidency. But hasn't he kind of already
Just kind of a sidebar here, there is an official
and an unofficial delegation to the reopening of the Cathedral

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of Notre Dame, and Emmanuel Macrone, the President of France,
has invited Donald Trump to come to the grand to
the grand reopening, sounds like some some retail shop opening
back up. But Emmanuel McCrone has invited Donald Trump to
come back to the reopening of Notre Dame. Now there

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is an official delegation going. It's going to be headed
by the real commander in chief, doctor Jill Biden. So
as Trump continues to act as the leader of the
free world right now, I think it's time to consider

(05:02):
issuing a blanket pardon. And I'm going to make a case.
This is where the lawyer of Brain's kicking in. I'm
going to make a case for a blanket pardon for
everyone involved in the January sixth protests at the Capitol

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with one caveat just one, just one, and that would
that that would exclude those convicted of violence against cops.
But if you broke a window, if if you if
you kicked in a door, I'm going to make a

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case that even you ought to be pardoned or granted clemency.
For those still in prison facing charges for nonviolent offenses,
I think a full pardon is both necessary and.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Furthermore, for those who were convicted of assaulting officers, I
think there ought to be a commutation to time served
as an act of both mercy and a recognition of
over punishment. That action would not only correct a blatant
imbalance in the application of justice, but I think it

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would also acknowledge the kind of murky orchestrated circumstances under
which most of the Capitol riot unfolded. There's still a
lot of stuff we don't know, And there's still a
lot of stuff, for lack of a better term, just
a generic word, stuff that the Department of Justice and

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the FBI are refusing to disclose to the United States
Congress as they attempt to investigate and conduct oversight into
the activities of something that occurred almost four years ago.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Now, why what is it you're trying to hide?

Speaker 3 (07:09):
About ten thousand people gathered at the Capitol on January sixth.
Of the ten thousand people, now, I'm sure if Donald
Trump were asked, he would say, well, there are millions
and millions of people on the ellipse that day, But
there were about ten thousand people in the Capitol at
the Capitol that day. Of those ten thousand, around ten percent,

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maybe one thousand people eventually walked actually walked into the Capitol.
Since then, since January six, more than twelve hundred had
been arrested and more than a thousand had been convicted
of various crimes, and of those, nearly four hundred and

(07:57):
fifty people have been sentenced to incarcero, with estimates suggesting
that about three hundred individuals remain imprisoned today. Now, those
numbers don't lie. Those numbers reflect an extensive, a relentless
pursuit of those that were present on January sixth, regardless

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of what their individual actions were, and regardless of any
sort of mensraa mensrea Latin phrase for an intent. You know,
we used to live in a country where one of
the elements of every crime, which was that you had

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an intention to commit the crime. You'll never ever convince
me so I'm closed minded about this. I freely admitted
I'm closed minded. You'll never convince me that the seventy
or seventy six year old grandmother, how does mean difference?
How she is that got swept up in I want

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you to imagine, I'm thinking of an individual I know
that's seventy five years.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Old, that is just as slow as you.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Can imagine, and part of which is they have Parkinson's.
It's early on set. It's not really progressed much. But
I think just the combination of the age, the lack
of physical activity everything. This individual individual was just a
very slow individual. And I could see that individual going

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to the Ellipse to listen to Donald Trump. And as
they listen to Donald Trump, they're all excited. They love America,
they love this country. And so then Donald Trump says,
you know, now, we're all going to march peacefully up
to the Capitol. An Olioc bar and Alex Jones had
their permit to have their peaceful protests on the northeast

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corner of the Capitol in a parking lot. They had
a permit to do that. But as swarms of those
ten thousand or however many were of the Ellipse that
day began to move upward and to start walking up
toward Capitol Hill, many of those people had never been
to DC before in their entire lives. They didn't know

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the layout of the land. They would know Constitution Avenue
from Independence Avenue. They wouldn't know east from west, north
to south. They wouldn't know, you know, other than the
fact they can see the White House from the Ellipse.
They might not even know that, Oh, as I'm facing
on the ellipse as I'm facing the White House. The

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US Capital is over to my right. They probably wouldn't
even know that. They would just know that the crowd
began to move toward the Capitol, and so they started
following the crowd, and the crowd got larger and larger.
Now we could insert here all sorts of ideas about
as the crowd started to move, how many agents provocateur

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began to mingle into the crowd. For example, I'm not
really sure. I'm sure maybe some of you know, but
I'm not really sure. At what point ray Epps, for example,
entered the crowd. Was he already on Capitol Hill or
did he kind of join the throngs of people that
were moving toward the capital after the speech was concluded.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
It doesn't really make any difference. The point is that
as the crowd starts to move, people who had never
been to d C before, and people had never been
in large crowds before, start to follow the crowd up
up to the US Capitol. It's a natural it's a
natural human trait that as a crowd starts to move,

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you kind of go with the flow, even if you're
trying to get out of the crowd. You have to
go with the crowd to a certain degree as you
try to make your way over to the edge to
get away from the crowd. Now, imagine you're you're a
seventy five year old grandmother. You've never been in a
crowd like that before. The biggest crowd you ever got,
you've ever been is you went to your grandchild's high

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school basketball game in Yuma, Colorado. That's the biggest thing
you've ever been to in your life. And now you're
in the middle of tens of thousands of people, and
you're seventy five, seventy six years old, and you're just
moving along.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
As I said earlier, the numbers that I gave you
don't lie. Those convictions, those prosecutions, those persecutions, those mid
those four AM raids that are still occurring. My god,
does the FBI not have anything better to do? The

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numbers don't lie. But you know what, like Dragon often
likes to do, let's compare and contrast, Because by contrast,
one need only look at the events of the preceding summer.
Don't forget it was just we're talking about January sixth
of twenty twenty one. Let's just go to the summer

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of twenty twenty, not even a year before that, during
the Black Lives Matter, the Antifa protests, and the riots.
You'll see glaring discrepancies in accountability. In those protests, which
saw tens of thousands of people literally burning cities, looting stores, attacking,
trying to kill law enforcement. The majority of those offensers

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faced zero consequences, none whatsoever. So if justice is to
be just, justice has.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
To be fair.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
And yet the prosecution of January sixth participants is obviously
one sided.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
You can even take it one step further, and some
of those some of love protests was that there were
multiple sorry city and county buildings like a police department
that were taken over and set on fire with people inside.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yes, yes, so think about that comparent, Do that compare
and contrast in your head, and then think about this.
The prosecution of the j six defendants is obviously one sided,

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is devoid of the leniency. Leniency, it's devoided the understanding
that was extended to the leftist rioters who terrorize American
cities back in twenty twenty. And I know that even
for me, who lives and breathes this kind of stuff
day in and day out. The events of January sixth,

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Now again, I wasn't there, FBI, just want to make
sure you know I wasn't there. I wasn't there, And
I know there's a difference between being at an event
and reading and studying an event. It's like watching your
wife have a baby versus actually having the baby. But

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for most people, even I think too many participants, the
events of January sixth are a distant memory, four years
in the past. The capital breach, which involved neither an insurrection,
nor any officer fatalities or any military fatalities, so obviously

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not an insurrection, none of none of, no deaths attributable
to any rioters, has been blown so far out of
proportion by those that want to capitalize politically on the
chaos of that day the factorymin No cops were killed

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by rioters. Now a handful of officers were briefly hospitalized,
but none of them had any sort of life threatening injuries.
No firearms were used by any of the protesters inside
the capitol. Yet almost four years later, individuals are still
being arrested, still being punished, and still languishing prison cells.

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Can we move on, Rodney King? Can't we all just
get along? Can we all just move along?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Here?

Speaker 3 (17:00):
It is time to move on from January sixth. Do
we now know, for example, how corrupt the J six
committee itself was? For Yeah, it's time to turn the page.
It's also time to remember that there was one person

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murdered on that day, actually, Babbit, an unarmed Air Force
veteran shot by Michael Bird of the US Capitol.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Police places like Denver made to the rioters of the
Black Lives Matter episodes, that's totally unjust in my mind.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
So back to Ashley Babbitt. She was trying to climb
through a broken window into Speaker's lovey. But what makes
her death even more tragic is that she was in
the presence of cops just inches behind her. And what

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were they doing. They weren't trying to stop her, they
weren't trying to pull her back. The officer that shot her,
Michael Bird, was not in immediate danger. He was not
in fear for his life. He just made, at least
in my opinion, made the decision to shoot and shoot
to kill. He's never been charged. You know, I don't

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want to stir up dragon. But Daniel Perry, he's been charged.
And a cop who is literally behind two panes of thick,
heavy glass and two doors, and the cop Michael Bird,
reaches through one door to shoot through another door and

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women though and kills her and endangers the cops behind her,
and he hasn't been charged. Talk about a miscarriage of justice.
It appears he simply made a decision to shoot and

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shoot to kill. But they're new revelations, and this is
through you know, at least give the House and the
Senate credit. They brought some disturbing details about Michael Bird
to light. Have you heard this in the news. He
failed a shotgun qualification test, a failed FBI background check

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for a weapons purchase, He had a thirty three day
suspension for a lost weapon, and a referral to Maryland
State prosecutors for firing his gun at a stolen car.
This cop has repeated demonstrated a pattern of recklessness incompetence

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and has skirted the law every single.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Time, and then got promoted last.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Year and then got promoted to captain.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
So if you want to talk about justice, you want
to talk about fairness. I put Michael Bird right front
and Center. Now, I know there's a wrongful death case pending,
but that's not unusual and that's not surprising. But as

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part of this reconciliation and this, as someone of the
text line said time to move on, I believe it's
time to move on too.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
And that's and I'm going to get to that.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
But as part of this what I would call a reconciliation,
Trump ought to insist that Bird be given a fair trial,
that he'd be prosecuted.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And given a.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Fair trial where all the facts can be aired publicly,
and allow Ashley Babbitt's family the opportunity for I, you know,
for at least justice. It is an essential step, not
only for the Ashley Babbitt family, but for a country
that deserves transparency and accountability from those tasks with upholding

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the law and for transparency and accountability of what actually took.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Place almost four years ago.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Now, in light of the new revelations about the potential
role of federal agencies like the FBI and Homeland Security
involved in the events of January sixth, the rationale for
these prosecutions becomes even murcier their recent disclosure suggesting that

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those agencies might have had dozens and maybe even hunters
of agents provocateur or informansts, whatever you want to call it,
doesn't make a difference to me that they were actually
embedded among the crowds. Now, I believe that they probably
were inciting the very violence that they now prosecute. But
maybe they weren't. But you don't know for a fact

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whether they were or not. And I don't know for
a fact whether they were or not. Federal provocateurs may
have actually encouraged what were otherwise peaceful protesters to take
illegal actions, stoking chaos. Why to create a broad narrative

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one designed to discredit Trump and to derail any challenges
to the certification of the electoral results. Now, if that
indeed was the case, then the moral and the legal
foundation for prosecuting those individuals is being severely compromised. How
many of those who entered the Capitol building dis so
because they were waved in by the Capitol police or

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went into the Capitol because they were misled by the
agents provocateurs into believing that they were acting within their rights. Hey,
come in here, this door is open. There are too
many questions that remain unanswered, but there is a historical complex,
a complex their component, there is historical context for clemency.

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Now those on the left, and I would argue that
probably even many people on the right will undoubtedly screen
that any pardons issued for the January sixth protesters is
just wrong. They will point, as I often do, to
the rule of law, to accountability, to the threats of democracy,
narrative that has been sold tirelessly since that day. Can

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you know what, history has a kind of a unique
way of shining light on hypocrisy.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
You know, some.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It might be worth recalling some past presidential clemency decisions
in order to give context to my argument that we
need clemency for these January We need pardons and clemency
for these January sixth defendants. Do you Obama issued more
than almost two thousand, approximately nineteen hundred pardons during his presidency,

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including one to Oscar Lopez Rivera. Who Oscar Lopez Rivera well,
he was the leader of the FLA n for Zoll's
or modest delivery is shown the Aschanel that was the
Puerto Rican nationalist group that was responsible for more than

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one hundred and twenty bombings, including the bombing of the
US Senate building, and those bombings resulted in multiple fatalities,
including cops. Now, if Obama can pardon a man whose
group bombed federal buildings and killed cops, then surely a
pardon for unarmed individuals who wandered into the Capitol encouraged

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by an emotionally charged moment is hardly a stretch. It's
good to Bill Clinton. He offered four hundred and fifty
nine pardons, including the individuals convicted severe offenses. Clinton pardoned
members of the Weather Underground, oh, that radical domestic terrorist

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group that bombed the Capitol the Pentagon police precincts. Those
individuals were directly tied to the deaths of cops and
security guards. And then Clinton went on to grant clemency
to sixteen members of FALN and those bombings killed multiple cops,

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caused immense destruction. And don't forget that Clinton also pardoned
his own brother, Roger Clinton, for drug offenses, an active
personal leniency that pales in comparison to January sixth. And
don't forget we talked about this yesterday. Jimmy Carter pardoned
more than five hundred thousand draft dodgers who refused to

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serve during the Vietnam War. Now, granted, many of those
individuals acted out of conscience, but some also acted out
a convenience. They abandoned their peers, they shirked their duty,
they blatantly, flagrantly violated the law. Carter also commuted the

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sentence of Patty Hurst, remember her the Simbonese Liberation Army,
a violent group responsible for numerous attacks. And gerald Ford
issued a pardon for Leonard Peltier the American Indian Movement,
who interestingly, Alexandria Cassia Cortez is asking for some posthumous pardon.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
What it's for.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Additionally, I don't know, because Ford's already done that. By
the way, the American Indian Movement, of which Leonard Peltier
was a member, was implicating the deaths of at least
two FBI agents. So that was a clear case involving
violence against law enforcement. And yet gerald Ford recognized the

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complexity surrounding the event and acted in at least what
he saw as the interests of justice and reconciliation. So
what's the case for today? In each of these historical instances,
the use of presidential pardon was meant to heal to reconcile.

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And I can't believe I'm going to use this word,
but I think it's appropriate to bring closure, to bring
closure to a part of American history that is fraught
with controversy. So, whether it was Carter pardoning half a
million men who turned their backs on duty, Clinton absolving
those who bombed government buildings, the underlying theme was reconciliation.

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So I think it's time to apply that same principle
to the January sixth protesters. They didn't bomb the capital,
they didn't engage in any any sort of coordinated attacks
or coordinated acts of terror. They were unarmed. There's no
evidence of any single one of them being armed. They
were simply swept up in a chaotic moment, often fueled

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by a belief, right lie or wrongly, that they were
defending their country, and they got swept up by the mob,
of which there were agents provocateur. So if we can
reconcile people who actually killed cops and FBI agents who

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actually bombed and burned buildings, we can do it here too.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Michael. It's easy to say move on, but when.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Your wife or daughter or sister is Ashley Babbitt murdered
in cold blood.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
No, it's not time to move off. It's trying to prosecute.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Bird, by the way speaking and I agree, I'm talking
about moving on with the Jay six defendants. The Ashley
Babbitt wrongful death case will proceed. The only thing that
can stop that would be and apparently, according to at
least one website that somebody just sent me an email,

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Michael Bird is requesting a pardon from Joe Biden in
the murder of Ashley Babbitt.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
HM.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Wouldn't that be interesting? So No, I'm not asking for
a reconciliation or anything about Michael Bird because he's not
been held accountable for his acts. All these other people
have waybe on any sort of accountability that's proportions to
what they did. Now, let's talk about for a moment

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the acts, the acts never committed by individuals against the
cops themselves. I think they should see their sentences commuted
to time served. Why, because justice has already been served.
Those people have lost their freedom, their jobs. In some case,
they've actually lost their families too. And on top of that,

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they faced solitary confinement. They faced physical conditions far harsher
than those faced by members of leftist militant groups that
were pardoned by previous presidents. And in fact, I would
add one thing that ought to be done is that Congress,
because Congress has jurisdiction over the District of Columbia that

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is a third world country hellhole jail, and the fact
that DC spends money on all the wrong things. And
by the way, they guess they get money from taxes,
but they also get money from you and me because
it's a federal enclave. It's a federal district, and so

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they get money from Congress, which means they get money
from us. They have to investigate the conditions in those jails.
So if we're going to if we're going to cease,
and it won't, but it'll certainly put a knife in
the heart of it. If we're going to move on

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from this stupid insurrection argument, if we're going to move
on from mel Olmah to day democracy died, put an
end to it. It's time for Trump to wield the
power of the presidency for honest reconciliation, to correct an
imbalance in the administration of justice, to heal a divided nation,

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to shut up those who continue to scream ab out
an insurrection, and to turn the page on January sixth.
If you don't understand how this turns the page, I
can't prove it to you today. But you watch how

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quickly the Hunter Biden pardon disappears from any sort of
national conversation once once Joe Biden leaves office. For example,
go back to those examples I gave you about Leonard
Peltier or the Draft Dodgers, or Patty Hurst or the

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weather underground Oscar Lopez Rivera. When's the last time you
heard any discussion about any of them. Well, we talked
about the Draft Dodgers yesterday. Other than that, you haven't
heard about it at all. I would venture to say
if there are many of you don't even remember, didn't
even know, particularly if you're younger, you had no idea

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that Jimmy Carter did that. So this too will quickly
fade from memory, and Democrats will try to bring it up,
and we can say, oh, that's done.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
That's done for

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yes, Donald Trump, first day in office, pardon the j
six defendants and commute the sentences of those who hurt
a cop