NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, roasting listeners’ Spotify Wrapped results and reacting to a mysterious Sermonot gift. In Shady Theology, they wade into deep waters with annihilationism and conditional immortality—what they are, why people believe them, and why they matter. Then it’s game time with a New Year’s Sermon Mad-Lib, where things go off the rails fast. Finally, in Pester the ...
In this episode, Eric & Alex are joined by Not the Sermon's #1 fan, Cory! They kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking New Year’s resolutions and why they almost never survive January. In So Help Meme God, they react to a wild video of a man getting tackled while trying to attack a pastor. In Houston, We Have a Question, they dig into the role of the Ten Commandments and how they’re meant to function in the life of ...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking holiday plans, Mariah Carey’s annual resurrection, and the mystery of Jehovah Witness "Halls". In Shady Theology, they take a closer look at manger scenes and why they’re almost never biblically accurate. Then it’s game time with Life’s a Preach: Christmas Edition, where they try to build a sermon out of three completely random items. In Pester th...
In this episode, Eric & Alex start with Shooting the Skybalon, roasting Eric’s painfully underwhelming Spotify Wrapped. In Pester the Guest, they flip the script and pester their guest co-host about the real purpose of parachurch ministries. In Shady Theology, they wrestle with a challenging question: did Jesus actually make it hard to follow Him? Finally, in Eric’s Edumakation, Eric breaks down the key differences between prea...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, pulling back the curtain on what it really takes to organize a baptism Sunday. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle why Jesus cursed the fig tree and what that moment was actually about. Then it’s game time with 1-Second Christmas Songs, where they try to identify Christmas classics after hearing just one second. Finally, in The Bible Says Whaaat?!, they unp...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie talks about officiating a Sermonot wedding and Eric shares how his “guest speaker workout” turned into an accidental leg day. In Christian Conspiracies, they dive into the strange and sensational world of the Red Heifer theories. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle how churches should select worship songs and what actually makes a song theologic...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, talking poddy humor and the chaos of Black Friday shopping. In Houston, We Have a Question, they tackle listener questions about whether spouses should hold each other accountable spiritually and whether the Holy Spirit speaks to people in comas. Then in How Great is Our Pod, they debut a new Thanksgiving-themed parody: Here I Am to Pig Out. Finally, in P...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie calls out Eric for making faces at him during a serious ministry moment, and the guys reflect on how the D.A.R.E. program failed an entire generation. In Pilgrim or Florida Man?, they debut a new game where they read insane headlines and try to guess whether the chaos came from early American settlers or modern-day Floridians. In Shady Theology, they ta...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric start off with Shooting the Skybalon, featuring The Crazy Halloween Lady—a woman who messaged the church calling it a “synagogue of Satan” for hosting Trunk or Treat. In Shady Theology, they explore Holiday Rituals and Symbols—from jack-o-lanterns to Christmas trees—and ask if these traditions are kosher for Christians. Then, in Houston, We Have a Question, they take on listener questions: is casti...
In this episode of Not the Sermon, the boys are back from overseas—jetlagged, dog-bitten, and running on fumes. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric shares the chaos of losing one dog and getting bitten by the other. Pester the Pastor tackles the balance between local and international ministry. In Weird Worship they dive into whether worship teams should use backing tracks, and Your Greek is Showing unpacks three Greek words for “sin.” ...
You are in for special treat! This is an "on site" recording from a recent international trip that Jamie & Eric took. They give you on-the-ground information about the state of Christianity abroad and share some of the precious moments, mishaps, and delirium they experienced on the trip! [00:00:20] Part 1: Funny Stories [00:20:37] Part 2: Ministry Update [00:31:28] Part 3: Airport Lounge Wrap Up
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are back from India… kind of. In Shooting the Skybalon, they talk planes, trains, and autorickshaws In The Bible Says What?!, they dive into wisdom literature and how it hilariously reminds us of how dumb we can be. Then in Communion Clapback, they respond to all the snarky social media comments. Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with the idea of God’s wrath—what it is, what it isn’t, and wh...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, asking life’s tough questions: how much effort is too much when squeezing cheese out of the mac-and-cheese packet? Plus, Jamie shares how State Farm dumped him like a crazy ex—only to come crawling back. In Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a hot topic: should kids stay in the main service with their parents, or do they need their own space? Then in Odd News, th...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric accidentally plays a clip with a not-so-holy word during a staff meeting. In Shady Theology, the guys dig into the theology of speaking in tongues—what it is, what it’s for, and why it still matters. Next up in How Great is Our Pod, they debut a “prodigal” worship song with a special guest (hint, hint). Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they ask if multi...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric dives into the strange world of the Amish Mafia and Jamie talks about staff meeting word games. In Weird Worship, they ask if there’s a secret worship cabal—are just a handful of people running the whole industry? Then it’s on to Odd News, where they debate whether becoming a Christian actually makes you “hotter.” Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrest...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, swapping stories about college football heartbreak and debating whether you’ve got a “bestie” or a “worstie.” In Shady Theology, they wrestle with the tough question: Does God cause natural disasters? Then in Pester the Pastor, Eric manages to trigger Jamie during a heated discussion on small groups—are they helpful or just hype? Finally, in Christian Con...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie leaves Phoenix an unfortunate voicemail and Eric ends up with a female locksmith story he can’t shake. In Weird Worship, the guys unpack the social media spat between Cory Asbury and Forrest Frank—asking if worship leaders should rise above the drama and act as role models. Next, in Houston, We Have a Question, they dive into the confusing world of end-t...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where a Sermonot takes a stab at interpreting Eric’s dream, and Jamie goes off on people who insist on backing into parking spaces. In Pester the Pastor, the guys dig into the Billy Graham/Mike Pence Rule and whether it’s wisdom or overkill. Then, in How Great is Our Pod, they debut Goodbye Sanity—a parody of Elevation Rhythm’s Goodbye Yesterday that you’...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric serve up a fresh round of theology, comedy, and chaos. In Shooting the Skybalon, Jamie tells the story of a fine dining experience that somehow featured a DJ, while Eric shares about catching a stray “Pharisee” insult in the church foyer. Next, in Shady Theology, the guys dive into stories of people claiming to visit heaven—are they legit or just tall tales? Over in So Help Meme God, they can’t sto...
In this episode, Jamie & Eric bring you MOOODALISM!!! and everything that comes with it. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric owns up to a Facebook joke about compassion that may have landed a little too harsh, while Jamie recounts a mishap at a funeral. In Houston, We Have a Question, the guys tackle the big one: Modalism vs. the Trinity—why it matters, and how to keep your theology straight. Over in Weird Worship, they riff on Bran...
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