NOT the Sermon

NOT the Sermon

NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!

Episodes

July 14, 2025 30 mins

In this episode Jamie & Eric are reunited (and it feels so good)! The boys shoot the skybalon, give some summer updates, and then dive in to their mid-summer shady...theology: Confession.

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In this episode Jamie brings on friend and former youth group member Doug to discuss the wild west of the mid 2000's youth group era. Enjoy!

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June 30, 2025 47 mins

Let’s rewind to our most listened-to episode of 2024: Holy Debauchery! Jamie and Eric were live on-site in Orlando, Florida, joined by a few staff pastors to talk all things conference culture, pastors tithing, and more. And don’t miss the original roast song written by a Sermonot.

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Fresh off the podcasting press, Eric is joined by a special guest, Cynthia Bryan as he debriefs from his sabbatical and talks about how he got stuck on a train in Switzerland.

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One of Jamie's favorite NTS episodes. Enjoy!

00:00:15 Shooting the Skybalon: Tongue Twisters   00:08:19 Eric's Edumakation: The Gospel Overseas   00:22:32 So Help Meme God: Funeral Music   00:34:33 Pester the Pastor: Conflict  

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Rejoice, Sermonots - it's our first Summer Short Short! Join Jamie and his wife Tiffany as they talk about the time Jamie almost paralyzed one of his children's classmates. Tiff also takes a quiz to prove if she's really been listening to her husband's podcast. Hilarity ensues!

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Enjoy one of Eric's favorite episodes from Season 1: Momma Bear Needs Her Wine! 00:00:15 Shooting the Skybalon: Happy New Year   00:10:04 Pester the Pastor: Daniel Fasts   00:22:24 Shady Theology: Alcohol   00:32:23 Houston, We Have a Question: Pets in Heaven  

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May 26, 2025 47 mins

The final episode of Season 2! Don't be dismayed, Not the Sermon will be releasing our "Summer Short Shorts" episodes throughout the summer, along with Jamie & Eric's favorite episodes from the past 2 seasons. In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about the spiritual gift of time travel, release a new song, and review some of the highlights from Season 2.

00:00:15 Shooting the Skybalon: Season 2 Review   00:10:53 Shady Theolo...

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In this episode, the boys are unhinged. They talk about the unfortunate fate of Moses' and Zipporah's son, Harry Potter & satanic panic, and talk about how to hear the voice of God. 00:00:16 Shooting the Skybalon: Bucket Gardens   00:08:55 The Bible Says What?!: Zipporah and her son   00:19:49 So Help Meme God: Harry Potter   00:33:07 Pester the Pastor: God's Voice  

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In this episode, Jamie & Eric are joined by Brandon for a redemption episode! They guys talk about bad haircuts, Christian cultural trends, and the popular phrase "God will never give you more than you can handle." 00:00:10 Shooting the Skybalon: AI Roasts   00:12:38 Shady Theology: More than you can handle   00:24:00 So Help Meme God: Haircut Preacher   00:33:06 Pester the Pastor: Christian Trends  

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In this episode, Jamie and Eric talk covenant faithfulness, how to get men to sing in church, and whether generational curses are real or just bad family habits with spiritual branding. [00:00] Intro [00:00:16] Shooting the Skybalon – Tire Spikes and Parakeet Toenails [00:08:34] Your Greek is Showing – Hesed [00:20:45] So Help Meme God – Men Don’t Sing [00:31:01] Shady Theology – Generational Curses

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April 28, 2025 44 mins

In this episode Jamie & Eric talk burnout, discuss Jesus' 3 days in the tomb, and play a new game "Beak or Bogus." 00:00:15 Shooting the Skybalon: Pope Selection   00:08:19 Pester the Pastor: Burnout   00:23:33 Game: Beak or Bogus   00:31:19 Meme: 3 Days and 3 Nights  

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April 21, 2025 48 mins

In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about pastoral humility, play a new worship Mad Lib, and talk about the biblical definition of a pastor. 00:00:16 Shooting the Skybalon: Radio Jingles & Listener Letter   00:06:49 Shady Theology: Don't Touch God's Anointed   00:18:41 How Great is Our Pod: Worship Mad Lib   00:27:20 Your Greek is Showing: What is a pastor?  

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April 14, 2025 46 mins

In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about what to do when someone can't sing, Uber's lost and found, and JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED! 00:00:12 Shooting the Skybalon: Cupping Bugs   00:07:47 Weird Worship: Bad Singers   00:20:39 Shady Theology: Judge Not   00:32:51 Odd News: Uber Lost and Found

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April 7, 2025 45 mins

In this episode, Eric & Jamie are joined by a friend of the pod, Alex...and are later joined by Phoenix...awkward. They guys talk about locking church doors during the offering, the limits of generosity, and whether God can be used as a mob enforcer. 00:00:16 Shooting the Skybalon: Caught by Phoenix   00:08:30 Shady Theology: Marvin Sapp   00:19:38 So Help Meme God: Gangster God   00:31:09 Houston: Limits of Generosity  

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March 31, 2025 49 mins

In this episode, Jamie & Eric are joined by Ethan (Jamie's son). They talk about growing up as a pastor's kid, listen to a new listener-submitted roast, and talk about the shallow dating pool in the Old Testament

[00:00:13] Shooting: Ethan visits, Balaam's @$$   [00:11:16] Pester the PK   [00:24:13] Life's a Preach Game   [00:31:54] Shady Theology: Marrying Family in the OT  

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In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about the new airport TikTok Challenge, just war theory, and what happens when you fall asleep during a sermon.

(00:00:00) - Shooting the Skybalon: Airport Hacks   (00:10:20) - Pester the Pastor: Just War Theory   (00:24:13) - The Bible Says What?! Acts 20:7-12 / Mark 8:22-26   (00:33:16) - Houston, We Have a Question: Cavemen?   (00:45:21) - Final Thoughts  Email us a question at notthesermo...

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In this episode, Jamie & Eric interview Michael Young, founder of the internet meme page "Charismatic Cheetah." The guys talk about calvinism, spiritual gifts, and the role of comedy in the church. Links to the Charismatic Cheetah's meme page and podcast are found below. Memes: https://www.facebook.com/charismaticcheetah Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUb2Cl1-7ZJ5VkeMOe9hJ2Q Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Y...

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March 10, 2025 47 mins

In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about God's "middle knowledge," sign gifts, and one up Brandon Lake and Jellyroll with a new original song: "Hope Dealer." Shooting the Skybalon: Kombucha party, Jamie's son's roast Pester the Pastor: God's foreknowledge How Great is Our Pod: Jelly Roll's worship song, "Hope Dealer" Shady Theology: Sign gifts

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In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk about tip culture, prophecy, and viral fake news articles.

Shooting the Skybalon: tip culture Sermonception: Mark Driscoll reviews a Catholic's take on Protestant worship Weird news: Golden Tickets to Heaven and other fake news Shady Theology: Prophecy

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