Draft Show: Trick Up the Sleeve?

It's finally NFL Draft week! Do the Cowboys have one final trick up their sleeve or will they go with the best player available in this year's draft?

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys Headquarters.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
At the Star in Frisco. And now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Today is April twenty second, it is a Tuesday, and
we are two days away from the NFL Draft in
Green Bay, Wisconsin. It's the final Draft Show presented by
Miller Lte, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It's
Miller Time as we lead into draft weekends starting on Thursday,
six pm Central Time on one oh five to three

(00:43):
the fan in Dallascowboys dot Com the Dallas Cowboys Radio
Network on Thursday, and then we work all the way
through the weekend, all two hundred and fifty seven picks
coming up. Starting on Thursday. We've got Zach Wilchuck, Brian
brought us, Tommy Yarsh, Nick Harris, I'm Kyle Yeomans with
Chris and crew in the back. He's got a full
team back there getting ready for this b roll and

(01:05):
making sure that we've got every prospect covered. Because Brian,
it's time. It's draft week. How about that came quickly,
didn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Not really.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
No, it's been a while. I guess i'd feel like
I've been working on this. I know next time, I've
been working on since the summer. I started in summer
at two yeah, and yeah November.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
So no, it's u.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
The thing right now is, like I say, I'm consumed
with trying to figure out how their stack looks, and
I'm trying to figure out around the league. So I
have an idea potentially of where this thing could fall
for Dallas. I'm trying to prepare for the worst possible
scenarios where, you know, for a say, for example, when
Ashton Genty goes to five to Jacksonville and then now

(01:46):
that turns the Raiders into maybe a tech McMillan or
something like that. I need to figure out how high
they have Matthew Golden on their board they have offensive
linemen above him. Is the distance between those guys pretty significant?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You know?

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Is Will Johnson and play We're gonna have a chance
to talk with Will McLay and those guys and Jerry
Jones and those guys today. You know, we can ask
some probing questions to maybe get an idea of where
they're looking at with some of these players, they probably
won't tell us the names, but if you can ask
them to specifically give you an idea of how they
measure certain players or look at certain players, then maybe

(02:22):
that can give you some clues. But we need to
figure out how this stack is going to be because
there's gonna be a possibility there's some players that we've
all kind of talked about that might not be there
for this football team. That part of it's the fun
part for me right now.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yeah, there's no question I think that Ted McMillan is
to pick if he's there at twelve. To me, that's
I think the direction they're going to go. I think
he's their top wide receiver on their board personally. But
you're gonna have to navigate some some minefields now, because
it does sound like Ashton Genty and Brian you were
on that yesterday on our show. Jackson was probably gonna
snag him there at five, and maybe New England might
end up just saying, you know what, we're gonna take

(02:56):
him at four.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
So where does Ted go?

Speaker 6 (02:58):
Could Ted still be in play with New England who's
been tonning for wide receivers. I know they signed Stefon Diggs,
but that's a different type of wide receiver, or are
they locked in on Will Campbell what happens with the
Vegas Raiders. Then at six, I think that's a great
point for Tech McMillan as well. New Orleans at nine,
we've thought maybe a quarterback there. It doesn't sound like
they'ren on George Sanders. It sounds like Jackson Dark could
be the guy. Do they pivot and take Tech McMillan.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
It sounds like to me that Walker's in play there.
The edge linebacker from Georgia is what a lot of
people are saying that the corner the quarterback is not
going to be the selection there.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
We'll see, we'll see how.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
But right now, the name that I'm hearing really strong
in New Orleans is Jalen Walker, the edge linebacker from
But he's also in play potential Carolina with Carolina at eight.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
So these are guys that if you asked.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Me right now, give me a wild card guy that
if he got through, and I think Walker's a wildcard guy.
You just don't send coaches down in a private workout
to just to send them down there. You're trying to
kind of figure some things out. We'll figure it out
with Malik Williams out there. You figure it out too
with this, you know, with Walker as well. So I

(04:08):
think they're trying to kind of set things up that
if they in fact, you know, and I'm not saying
to get wiped out, but there's some potentially some guys
that they think might be there. Now this thing is
shaking a couple of different ways that maybe those guys
that they thought about here maybe a couple of weeks ago,
might not be available and they have to be able
to pivot off that.

Speaker 7 (04:26):
Yeah, five to eleven could go a million different directions.

Speaker 8 (04:28):
Really good, absolutely, And there's some pretty strong reports from
people I trust at least that say the three offensive
linemen are going to be in the top ten. And
if that's factoring in Will Campbell, arm On membu Kelvin Banks,
what does that look like?

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Where do those guys go?

Speaker 8 (04:42):
And then on the flip side, who falls you know,
who's going to be there for you at twelve you
maybe didn't expect. Is it a Jalen Walker or is
it a Tech McMillan, potentially is it a Mason Graham?
Even I don't think you'll slip that far, but I'm
just kind of speaking speaking to the million possibilities that
this top twelve will have. You know, this team, they
can they can go through the possibilities, they can go

(05:03):
through the scenarios, but they really won't know what it's
going to look like until the war room is there,
and there will there'll there will be a war room
discussion If Teed McMillan is off the board, I think
it will be a war room discussion to try to
guys campaigning for their guys and we'll be watching the
draft feed right here looking at them going back and forth.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Do you think Nick, that they will just sit there
and trust the stack though? When they you know, maybe
the discussions that they need to have right now are
being had. And I think this is why, you know,
with with the draft being a couple of days away,
these are the times you sit in that room and
really has shot, Okay, what if?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
What if?

Speaker 5 (05:40):
And just and just create as much tension as you
can in that room right now so that when you know,
we saw what happened with the Johnny Manziel, you know,
the potential Johnny Manziel discussion. Yes it was brought up,
but then it was quickly brought up that Hey, we
have Zach Martin in our stack here and here. I
would hate for them to get in that room and
start jumping tacks. If that was the case, that to

(06:03):
me defeats everything. If you're going to put together an
order and you say this is how we would take
these players, and you don't window dress your board, you
should take those players. So the discussions I think need
to be happening right now. I don't know, it sounds
like that, maybe you might feel different about that.

Speaker 8 (06:19):
Well, it is the benefit of having a guy like
Brian Schottenheimer in the building. He's going to over communicate,
he's going to go through those scenarios. He's going to
talk that through with the scouting staff. Whereas a couple
of years ago when there was a debate between Mazzie
Smith and Matthew bergeron you know, was that something that
maybe could have been addressed in the days prior and
would they maybe have made a better pick, you know,
whether it wasn't those two guys or somewhere else. So

(06:39):
I wonder how much they they've learned on those kinds
of things and can go back to.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
It kind of the way that you're outlining this, Brian,
It kind of sounds like you feel like there is
going to be some window dressing you talk.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
I just like I said to me there, and I'm
sorry I didn't let you finish there.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's my apology.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
I don't think they to me, they you shouldn't window dress.
That's and I can't speak for them what's going on
in that room right now. But if you're sitting there
jumping tags, okay, let's let's be honest. Tom Seskowski lost
his job here with the Sharif Floyd draft. If you remember,
as they had the scouts had him, and then Rod
Marinelli wanted nothing to do with Serif Floyd. When it

(07:19):
came down to Dallas's time to pick, they dropped back
out of there and they took something else Frederick out.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, they had draft. It was it was it was something.
But like I said, they had they had a.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Plan for what they wanted to do, and Tom Saskowski
stood up and said, hey, you know, wait a minute,
we've got this player. What are we doing. Ultimately cost
him his job. You know, that's that's the change that
you made right there because of the discussions that weren't
had beforehand.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I would like to believe.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
That they're not going to jump tags and they're going
to have that stack how they want it. And you
saw it, you know, you talked about war room discussions.
It happened perfectly when you looked at how they drafted
draft or they had drafted Zach Martin. When Ryan Chazer
went off the board, Jerry Zones fired, Look, hey, Johnny
Manziel is still there. Yeah, Johnny Manziel's tags below Zach
Martin's tack. You know we're gonna take Zach Martin here. Jerry, Yeah,

(08:09):
you know. And that's okay, that's how those things work.
So but if there's window dressing going on and all that,
then to me, that doesn't that that that always spells
like failure. To me, I get when you jump in
tags because you're not true to your board.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
The one question I would have, and we've all been
studying this draft and you're kind of putting together your
own stacks, is you do kind of have a clump
of players that are all very similar.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
And I think that.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
They would probably be comfortable with a good cluster of players,
which is why I like the trade back.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think would be ideal for them.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
The problem is you're hearing everybody kind of wants to
move back, and I don't think you're gonna get a partner.
So is it less of maybe jumping tags just in
this weird draft? How it is when you've got players,
stack them.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Stack them, stack them.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
I mean, if you've got a cluster of players and
we're all dealing with this right now, like I say,
I'm gonna I'm gonna post my stack two hundred and
thirty five players. Watch how I did the running backs
in the second round, when it came to my board,
when it came to Johnson, when it came to Hampton,
when it came to Henderson. You know, I to myself,
I said, I've got to do this for myself. I've

(09:15):
got to determine my gut feeling or film whatever you
want to say.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Medical. I determined that my guys and what order I
put them in.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
You know, if like you say, yeah, the cluster's nice,
put the cluster in the order that you would take it.
Don't just jump around. Don't all of a sudden like,
oh jeez, we like this guy on the clock. You know,
you don't have a lot of time as is to
be having these discussions, these discussions need to be have
right now.

Speaker 9 (09:40):
And I think when you put that much work into
a board and that much work into studying these prospects,
you're kind of doing yourself a disservice if you don't
stick to it, because then you.

Speaker 10 (09:48):
Don't trust your own process.

Speaker 9 (09:50):
And I think with the success that Dallas has had
in the draft, if you look at a broader scale
of it, going back really in terms of their franchise history,
and I think that they've done.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
A good job.

Speaker 9 (09:59):
And you've in that broom, Brian, so you've seen what
they've been able to do in terms of this class.
It is interesting because zac they very clearly it seems like,
want to move back if they can, and everybody wants
to move back if they can. My question is, since
everybody wants to move back, I wonder if there's one
of the thirty two teams out there that's saying, you know,
what if we move up Denver?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
What if?

Speaker 7 (10:21):
What if ever?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Broncos?

Speaker 10 (10:22):
What if?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (10:23):
What if we're what if we're overthinking this a little bit?

Speaker 11 (10:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (10:25):
What if there's someone there, like if Tech McMillan falls
and Denver calls you, yeah that I think that would
be the conundrum where we're looking at that screen over
there here on Thursday, and there's a lot of debate
going on because what can you get it?

Speaker 10 (10:39):
If you if you would you be it.

Speaker 9 (10:40):
Would you be willing to sacrifice Ted McMillan to move
back to twenty taking that cag ye, go and pick
up another top one hundred, pick.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Pick fifty one. That's where the debate I think is good.
If you if all of a sudden, you know, the
cowboys will tell you.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
And Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are adamant about this
and correct me if I'm wrong. Boys, you know, the
minute you pick up that phone, you're losing the deal. Yeah,
they say that, the minute you pick up that phone,
you're losing the deal. So okay, they pick up the phone.
We've seen plenty of times when they're on the clock.
Stephen Jones phone, he's just waiting. Phones ring and phone
ring and maybe it doesn't ring, maybe it doesn't ring
it but see they're waiting. They're waiting to see. But

(11:15):
you have to be ready for these discussions if in fact,
like listen, if we're going to take this deal, what
are we moving back for. That's what the cluster of
players helps you, but make sure you have the clusters
of players right how you would take them. You know,
there doesn't need to be a discussion about that, Like, Okay,
if we trade back and they and they go in order,
and we're comfortable with taking the third guy in the cluster,

(11:37):
then let's make this trade. If we're not, let's stand
in here and make a pick.

Speaker 8 (11:41):
That's make sure of the deal with Denver that could
be just kind of throw a wrench into this is
that it would be a forty point overpay for Denver
to go up to twelve.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
We saw it.

Speaker 8 (11:51):
We'd give it up with Detroit last year, giving them
twenty to fifty one. Yeah, we saw it with Detroit
last year. But because there were a lot of calls
that they were fielding right, we're not going to be
fielding nearly as many calls this year. I don't think
fifty one would be in play if that were to happen.
I think it would be a third or and then
maybe you get under seventh or something.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Down the line like pig eighty five.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
I would like to believe that Sean Payton, if he's
coming up the board from twenty to twelve, has somebody
in mind, and it doesn't bother him to do that.
He has a relationship with the Joneses. And maybe, and Nick,
I love what you're saying, I think, and I don't
think you're wrong. I just think this is if there's
somebody that can cut a deal with the Joneses on

(12:29):
an overpay. Look what like I say, Dan Campbell in
that group last year, it's they have a relationship. If
you have relationships in the league, and sometimes you're like, listen,
I want to go get this guy.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And if I have to overpay a.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Two, maybe the draft gods are smiling on him because
they should have got a two when they traded back
for Trap when they got Travis Frederick, they took a three.
Maybe the draft gods are saying, this is the time
you get an overpay. You know, we're going to give
you one here. But you know, I mean to me,
this is I think that a lot of the relationships
are the ones that are in hotant here. Trading partners
are important that like, listen, you want to come up

(13:03):
here and get your player, I'll take fifty one from you,
you know, and and and.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
We'll call it a day.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
And you know, you kind of put the ball in
Shawn's court and if he says no, then you just
move on with your day.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
How much what would a return pick look like that
in that scenario, because you could send another pick back
of those fifths and that makes up the fifty overpay, yeah,
forty overpay.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
It would be that first fifth. And you don't want
to go from what is it, seventy six?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
And I'm not interested in that.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
I'm not interested in doing that.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
But you pick up two seconds, you still have you
have four top one hundred.

Speaker 8 (13:34):
I would rather get the third and send like a seventh,
to be honest, sure if that's if that's what it had.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
To be, and that might be the back in chart. Yeah, yeah,
that's right. Now, going back to what Brian.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Was talking about, when it comes to hold them up
and get them, get them.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
I would, I'd hold them up. I'm like, listen, you
want to come up here and grab a player. Obviously,
I'm I'm interested. Sure, you could take twelve. I want
fifty one, you know, and they're like, listen, we can't
do fifty one. Then I'm like okay, then I'm then
I'm done. Yeah, yeah, I'm done. And then maybe somebody
else wants to come up there. But to me, if
you want to make that kind of move, if we're
going to be in a draft where people are not

(14:08):
gonna give me value for my pick, you know, and pick,
then I'm just gonna I'm just gonna stand there and pick.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, So if they stand there and pick, we're talking
about window dressing boards, right, and what it would look like.
Let's pretend we don't have the connection. We don't talk
to the war room.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's on mute.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
We're just watching them put the pick in on Thursday
at twelve, and it ends up being one of these
surprise names where it's Mikeel Williams or Shamar Stewart or
will Johnson or Jade Baron or one of these other
guys that's not Matthew Golden, Tedo At McMillan and kind
of the guys that we think to be.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Likely to be the pick at twelve.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Would you consider that window dressing your board or would
you consider that stay?

Speaker 5 (14:46):
No, stack they they if they if they have Mikeel
Williams and Stewart and all those guys, No, that's their stack,
that's the stack. That's their stack. I'm not trust me
we're all selfish. SOB's in this room. We want them
to take the guys we like we do. It makes good,
it makes good drama, it makes good theater, it makes

(15:07):
all these.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Things we want them to. We don't want. I don't
want to sit here and rip them for taking a
player that I didn't like. That's not good. But to me, yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Their stack, and if that's their stack, then I'm not
going to have a problem with that. If they solve
we all see these players different. Hell Nick and I
see players different a lot, Zach. I always see players
different in this thing. So if that's what they think,
if that's what they believe, that's on them. It's not
on me. But you know, I'm hey, we put it
out there. We're transparent.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
But I'm like.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
I said, if that's how they have it stacked it,
it's not window dressing. That's that's their board.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
I want to kick this around, And Brian, I mean,
you've you've taught me stick to the stick to the stack,
stick to your board, don't wind it.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Why dude, we don't do it.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
I'm saying if you don't, if you don't do it,
if you don't believe in it then, don't I hear you?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (15:54):
The one thing that I wanted to ask because you
were trying to figure out, Hey, what are teams wanting,
and you're starting to hear corners could be a big
run here and they might go higher like some of
these guys Maxwell Harriston, Trey Amos out of all Ole
miss right, these guys might go higher than you think.
Do you end up saying like, maybe I need to
prioritize a position there because I might get wiped out
and I'm not going to get it there at forty four?

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Or if with Taco, wasn't that a Taco situation, didn't
they feel like they weren't going to get a defensive
end coming back around.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
Because that's why I'm starting to feel at forty four,
you're probably not going running back. You're probably gonna have
to go cornerback there else you're not going to get
a guy that you think is a legit day one starter.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
The thing that might happen is we might see a
slide on some of these defensive tackles that we like
because of some medical questions. We might see because of Collins,
some of the medical questions with him, we might see
some of the medical questions too, potentially and maybe some
other issues with harmon from you know, from Oregon as
a possibly maybe some of these tackles that we really

(16:53):
really like up high are going to slide a little
bit and we'll be surprised with wow, why is that
guy still there? But this is the disadvantage of this
room has We don't have medical information on these players, correct,
you know, we hear things and stuff like that, but
not all of them.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
The question is how many guys on this.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Board have things that teams absolutely don't want to take
And we're sitting there and got these guys in the
second and third round.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
You see it from like years past.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Nikobe Dean was one that recently was one of our
top fifteen sixteen players in the entire drafted.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
But it might have to do with the lack of
size there on that one more than anything.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Sure, And I think there was the same thing. Yeah,
and Joey Porter Junior. Yeah, I mean it's gonna happen.
There's gonna be at least one name that we're going
to be sitting there middle of the first round saying
why is this name still available?

Speaker 12 (17:39):
And it may be a guy that the Cowboys have
talked to.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
It may be somebody completely different and off the radar
to a certain extent. And Tommy, I think you've been
around this team enough to see kind of where they're leaning.
The conversation is Tet versus Golden? Should it be something
else other than Tet versus Golden at this point.

Speaker 12 (17:56):
Or is that still the most likely pairing?

Speaker 9 (17:58):
I mean, if both of them are, that should absolutely
be the conversation.

Speaker 10 (18:02):
I think.

Speaker 9 (18:02):
I think when you've got, you know, two players of
that caliber at such a position of need in that
second wide receiver spot, you look at Ted McMillan and say, Okay,
this is a guy who can be our downfield threat.
We need a guy who can compliment CD on the outside.
He can give that to us. And then Matthew Golden
somewhat the same thing, just kind of in a different way.
Stephen Jones said at league meetings that you know they
want they want an explosive second option. I think both

(18:25):
of them are explosive in their own separate ways. The
question is going to be what kind of explosiveness are
they looking for? Are they looking for the explosiveness explosiveness
in the speed aspect where you've got Matthew Golden who
ran you know, a four two nine forty yard dash
and he's just able to create separation early when at
the top of his routes. Or do you look at
Tetoro McMillan's explosion in terms of what he can do

(18:47):
in the air and with his catch radius and things
like that. And so if those two guys are on
the board, then that absolutely has to be the discussion.

Speaker 10 (18:54):
I think.

Speaker 9 (18:55):
Now the interesting part of it is, I don't think
McMillan's going to be there. I I really don't think so.
I think he's that good of a player, and I
think that there's gonna be someone in the top eleven
that's going to.

Speaker 10 (19:05):
Have him higher.

Speaker 9 (19:06):
And I mean, you even look at a team like
San Francisco. They're the biggest wild card out of all
this because if McMillan gets past the Bears at ten,
which he if he's still there, he probably will. I
don't see them taking McMillan, then everything's on the table
for San Franco.

Speaker 12 (19:20):
Yeah, so there would poach you round after.

Speaker 9 (19:22):
Round, absolutely, And so McMillan is the guy that you know,
you could say, okay, that's possible. And saying it could
be the pick, they could look at something else as
a bigger position of need. But you know that that's
what it comes down to. So if he's off the board,
then it comes down to the conversation that we were
just having, which is, what does your stack look like?
Is Matthew Golden ahead of a Mike kel Williams. Is

(19:43):
he ahead of a Shamar Stewart if he continues to drop?

Speaker 10 (19:46):
Is is he ahead of Jayalen Walker? If Jaylen Walker drops?

Speaker 9 (19:49):
I personally think Matthew Golden would do very well with
the Cowboys, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there
are other guys higher. I mean, I've still got Luther
Burden higher on my board in terms of wide receiver.
He's my second best wide receiver. I just don't know
if he's the wide receiver fifth of that the Cowboys
are looking for. Right well, I wrote down my notes
on him. I feel like I'm watching Seeddey Lamb's Oklahoma tape.
When I watch him play, it's a lot of the

(20:10):
similar It's a lot of similar things. Now, two Ceedey
Lambs on a team is not necessarily the worst thing
in the world. But if you're looking for a compliment
to him and not necessarily a clone. Then that that's
where the conversation comes into play. So it wouldn't shock
me if there are other names that are higher on
the board. But if t Mack and Golden are there,
that's your conversation.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Buka is the big question for me.

Speaker 10 (20:32):
That's another one.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Right, Like Buka and Golden, see, I don't really think
Burden's in play for them, and you could end up
being right man. Burden can end up being one of
the best of this draft. But Buka is the guy
that I would be advocating for personally. They talk a
lot about wanting to improve the running game mechag Buka
and I've stressed this. He is, in my opinion, the
best blocking wide receiver in this class. I think he
can play all three wide receiver spots. I don't think

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he's getting enough credit for the explosives that he can
play with. There are times you will see them dump
the ball off at Ohio State to a mechg Buka
and he takes a short three five yard slant drag
screen and takes it fifty yards to the house. I
think he is one of the safest can't miss players
in this draft, and you're talking about one, I'm filling
a need. Two, I'm filling an absolute robin to my batman,

(21:17):
and he has played that role his entire career. I
love him the body, control the route, running the hands.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
I would be standing on the table and fighting for
a mechic Buka.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
He's got the size at six one two oh five,
and maybe Matthew gold ends up being a better player,
and he certainly got the speed there. But I really
wonder between those two because I think it's tet one.
But who's their wide receiver too? Is it Golden? Isn't
a mechic Buka. I don't think we've talked about him enough.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Is he number two on your board? He's number two
for me? Okay?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
So you're not window dressing. You're standing on it and
you're saying it's three. That would end up being Golden Golden,
ye golder than Verin would be four. Okay, not included trivers.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Say how many players do you have between McMillan and
Golden on your board?

Speaker 7 (21:56):
Of about twenty four to twenty five?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Okay in between? So it's not close to you.

Speaker 8 (22:03):
My Golden is behind McMillan, mc buka and Burden for me.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
Okay, but but as far as the top guys, say,
for example, like if it was a Will Johnson, or
it was a Michel Williams, or it was one of
these offensive linemen, say like a Simmons or somebody like that,
you have, is it? You have all those guys in between?

Speaker 7 (22:23):
What were those names?

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Agains Simmons, Yes, Simmons, Michel Williams, Yes, Will Johnson most definitely.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Who's the closest to Tet for you, closest to Teta
out of those other names?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (22:37):
So out of Eggbuka now non wide receiver? Who those
other possible names?

Speaker 8 (22:42):
Yeah, then we're starting to get into guys that I
don't even expect to be there, like Mason Graham.

Speaker 7 (22:45):
I have Mason grat after.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
And Tet's that far up. Yes see, I was trying
to get a gauge.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
So you've got several players top players above Golden. Yes,
right see, I'm trying to say this could happen. This
could be the same same conversation, same thing here, Tommy.
You know, yeah, you're right, the conversation if they're both
there should be. See, you know, I just think that
they might have guys. We need to figure out how
many guys they have between McMillan and Golden, because it

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might be guys that all of a sudden, like you know, oh,
it's automatically gonna be Golden.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
No, it's maybe it's Will Johnson. Yeah, you know, maybe
it's Will Johnson. Maybe it's it's Shamar Stewart. Walter Nolan's
a name that I know that they love in this building.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, so I mean if they, if they, if they again,
if they're following their stack and they have all those
players between, then it makes a lot of sense that
that's maybe the direction we go. Maybe it's not as
cut and dry as we all think that it's going
to be either McMillan or Golden. There might be players
between that we're not giving enough thought to.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
And I think that's a great conversation because I think
here we're all pretty much in agreeance that tet's the
number one board, t MAC is the number one wide
receiver on the board.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Do you feel think about Hunter?

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Depending on what you feel about Hunter, where you put
Travis Hunter? I just kept Hunter out of this one.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, I've kind of put him in his own little
category when it comes to Tetoroa McMillan, he's the number
one wide receiver that could be available at twelve for
the Cowboys. When you look across the hall, do you
feel confident that that's what they think? It's Tech number one.
Golden still on that list, but now Brian's throwing the
names in the mix in between the two. I think

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that's the best way to look at this board and
trying to decipher what they are going to do. Across
the hallway. I think it's Tetoa, a little bit of space,
and then Golden. The question that Brian continues to pose,
and it's a great question, is how many guys are
in between. That's what's going to determine who's going to
be the twelfth pick on Thursday.

Speaker 8 (24:42):
The culture that Brian Schetenhamer's trying to build, a staff
that he's put together, the assistance that he's had with
the experience that those guys have had in different places,
the experience of those guys have had recruiting different places too.
At the receiver position, specifically talking about Junior Adams. If
I Buka's on the board right there, I'd be surprised
if there's.

Speaker 7 (24:59):
Not a big conversation about Abuka.

Speaker 12 (25:01):
To throw him in that mix, Yeah, let's go would
be interesting.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
BOOKA at twelve, I could definitely see happening.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Wow, okay, somebody quoted put it in a fot Ward
Star telegram.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Nik Kara set all right, he's right there. I mean absolutely,
he's right there.

Speaker 12 (25:15):
All right, we got to take our first break.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
When we come back, it's time for some Twitter on
the twenty and we'll answer your questions and maybe even
go through a little quick mock draft from five to
eleven to see what we can figure out what's going
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(28:58):
On the twenty, our first question comes from Jordan. You
guys talked about Denver in that first segment as a
possible trade up team in the first round. How would
you guys feel about a trade back to twenty that
would include a player. We can't talk about specific players,
but this gentleman asking the question wanted to throw a
wide receiver in the mix.

Speaker 12 (29:17):
So a veteran wide receiver and the second round, Nick.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
You're not going to take a Pro Bowl level wide
receiver for a pick swap.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
Okay, that's not going to happen. You would be giving
up your pick, your first round pick.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
So there you go.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
Yeah, I've seen that around. It's not possible. It's not
feasibly possible. Nobody in their right mind is going to
agree to a trade.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Like that because the person here, Jordan would say twenty
and then I'll just read his tweet verbatim.

Speaker 12 (29:39):
He says, Portland Sutton.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
He's a Pro Bowl wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
You're not getting a first round pick back, Andy s
Portland Sutton, right, we Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
The problems of the world of Madden. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Well, we have an old Cowboys reporter that loves to
be a headline clickbait guy. Yeah, that's where this is
being Jenny come from.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, Oh okay, I saw that as well, and that's
just not happening.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Okay, So now that we've shot that down, what would
a realistic trade scenario look like I think we goes
back to what we talked about second round pick swapping
back to twenty, and then you would have to send
something back in return, probably a fifth rus.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And always have to make these deals fair. You don't.

Speaker 9 (30:18):
I was gonna say, you take the first and the second,
and I think you shake some hands and yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
To me, like you know, you know you you you
hope you you know.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
You got our guys if you do it, if you've
if you've talked about it, maybe pre draft, Yeah, maybe
that's something you know. I'm sure that Shawn and Jerry
and Steven have all talked pre draft, and Shawn's made
it been known that listen, I'm Sewan has a history
of doing this. You know, he has a history of
trying to swing and get up there and grab a player.
So there's it should be. No, he's got a good

(30:47):
football team over there in Denver, so he understands that.
And you know, if he could add somebody, if he's
got somebody in mind he wants to come go get
then you know by all means, but I would I
would pre draft talk to him and say, hey, listen,
if you're interested in coming up, can we talk about
fifty one, he goes, Jerry, I'm not interested in giving
you fifty one.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Okay, what are you interested in doing?

Speaker 5 (31:08):
Then this thing doesn't have to be done on the clock,
But if it's done on the clock, I'm trying to
get fifty one from him. You know, if you want
to pre talk it out, we can maybe negotiate this
thing if your guy's there, But otherwise I'm gonna take
your fifty one and go on with my day.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
If Denver's trying to come up to grab a running back,
let's say they're trying to come up to twelve to
grab Hampton, really trying to get in front of and
if they can't get in front of them, when does
this running back run start? Because if Hampton goes before twenty,
they probably roll with Henderson. I woulder these running backs
are flying off the board here in the first round.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
All I wonder if he's I wonder if he's thinking
about somebody other than.

Speaker 8 (31:44):
Hampton, Henderson potentially, or or just a different player, different player,
just a different player, and then maybe trying to address it.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
But you know, if he doesn't have a two, maybe
he can use his three, you know, that kind of thing.
But if he's he is the one guy that you
know will try and go up the board. He is
the when you look at Andy Reid is another one
coming from the bottom of the draft. Andy and those
guys will try and move up if they can. But
like I said, if I'm if I'm Sean Pate or

(32:13):
I'm the Joneses, I'm I'm talking to Sean, and it's like, listen,
if your guys here, give us a call. But I'm
telling you right now, it's going to cost you fifty
one if you want to make this deal. And I'll
think about that. And if your guys here, we can
do this. If your guys not here, then you know
we'll move on with her day. But it could be
for another player other than Hampton.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I think it could be a tight end.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
I think he might be Ian Tyler Warren or Colston
Loveland could be it could be one of those two
because if you those corner two, yeah, because Indy could
be a team that I've seen interested in the tight
end potentially, So maybe you're trying to jump ahead of
Indy at fourteen. And then Chicago and New Orleans both
have been linked to Tyler Warren, as have the Jets,
but it sounds more likely that the Jets would probably
prefer to go to offensive line.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
I heard that if Jacksonville at five traded back to
say New Orleans at nine, then that's they're looking at
war at tight end.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, that's what I've heard. Maybe that's what with Sean
Payton's wanting.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean the needs that I have
in front, wide receiver, running back, corner, tight end, those
were kind of the four spots and there are guys
at each of those positions in the early parts of
the draft that you could possibly get. Now, they did
sign Evan Ingram, remember in the middle of the off season,
so they did. That's a good point. They have a
tight end. They have a guy there that I mean,

(33:25):
he signed her guy.

Speaker 12 (33:27):
He's her guy. But they signed one out of Jacksonville
so one year where he was really good.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
But that is a good point.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
But there's there's at least somebody else there to compete,
all right, somebody wanted us to go through this three
round draft scenario for the Cowboys. This is off of
sleeper Cowboys, the sleeper app that's on there.

Speaker 12 (33:45):
I don't know if we can even promote that stuff,
but I'm.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Gonna I'm gonna just give you the three scenarios, or
they have four scenarios of the first three round picks,
starting with scenario one.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
Keep these in mind.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Tedor Road McMillan, Carson Swessinger, UCLA linebacker, Damian Martinez running
back from Nick's favorite school, the Miami Hurricanes.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
That is the first one.

Speaker 12 (34:06):
It's not true, Okay, I know it's not true.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Number two Matthew Golden, Texas wide receiver, quin Shawn Judkins
running back from Ohio State, and then Noel Williams, corner
from Howe you know O'Brian likes Noel Williams quite a bit.
Third scenario Amaron Hampton running back from North Carolina, Shavon
Revel from East Carolina. He's a corner, and then Trey

(34:29):
Harris Ole miss wide receiver.

Speaker 12 (34:31):
These are some tough scenarios. All three of these are good.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Josh Simmons is the starter of the fourth scenario. I
know that's Vach Lombardi's pick. Already, offensive lineman from Ohio State,
Traveon Henderson. They go with the Ohio State brethren and
running back, and then Alfred Collins, the defensive tackle from
Texas is at the end.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
So four opportunities.

Speaker 12 (34:49):
If you need me to repeat any of them, let
me know.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
My board would tell me the last one, Yes, same
sam my board would I don't know if Dallas would
do that. Yeah, my board board would tell me to
take the last one.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
That's what it did.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
The Revel one is also interesting to my board would
tell me to do that one as well. Uh so,
But for Dallas, I think we have to have a
different discussion here.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
You usually have a corner so damn bad and arguably
two in this draft, and you hope your second one
is at the top of day three rather than the
bottom of day three.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
That's what stinks about the number one on that with
Tech questions, you're Dontinez because that they would be high
for me. But yep, no corner in there makes it really,
really tough, and I think they've got to come away
with a corner in the first three rounds they think
can start immediately.

Speaker 13 (35:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (35:30):
I would love to combine one and three to make
it Tech, Revel and Martinez. That would be great, But
in this scenario, I think I would go three with Hampton,
savonn Revel and Trey Harris.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I love Trey Harris. I'm with you on Harris.

Speaker 9 (35:44):
If you get him in the third round, still we're
doing backflips down the hallway.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, that would be a big time. Yeah. That one
does seem to be the best one.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
If you'd start to talk about what the Cowboys would do, right,
I mean, or what they pretend get your needs. There's
a couple of different ways we need to figure out though.
The Morrison worked out, Nick, I don't know if you
know this or not. Maybe I'm putting you on the spot.
Morrison worked out yesterday in Arizona, and I don't know
if the Cowboys sent coaches down there. They did, okay,
Notre Dame so okay, So now they got the Notre

(36:13):
Dame corner covered. So they've got all these corners covered.
Maybe there's a couple of these corners that have had
injury histories that have first round grades, Revel Morrison, those
types of guys. Maybe these are guys that you would
consider at forty four. I don't know if they get
to you, but if they would, that would be to
me grabbing first round guys off the board, off my

(36:34):
particular the board.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I don't know about their.

Speaker 12 (36:36):
Board, man, I don't know which one I would go with.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I think the third one is where I would lean
just because it fills all three needs and I feel
confident in all three of.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Those guys to be starters. Henderson A R.

Speaker 12 (36:48):
Excuse me, Hampton, Revel and Harris. I think all three
of those guys could be there specifically.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
All right, double R wants to know can we get
a comp between Thornton the Tennessee wide receiver in the
third I guess Day three possible pick and Ted Rolla McMillan.
Just curious if slightly faster big wide receiver drafted in
the third or later could give them a comparable production
to what Ted McMillan would give them in the early

(37:17):
parts of the draft.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
For me, Ted has a lot more to his game.
I mean from I see Dante Thorton as a straight
line guy. I mean, he's got the speed, but he's
a straight line guy and he's gonna have those explosive
plays for you for sure. But he's going to meet
some resistance starting off in the NFL because he doesn't
have much of a routrey, he doesn't have much deception,
whereas Teed McMillan has a deception he can beat you
in the shorts intermediate game.

Speaker 7 (37:39):
He can take the bubble screens and take him to
the house.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
He can beat you with a double move down the field,
Whereas Dante Thornton I don't feel like has that same
type of same type of feel. But Dante Thornton, I've
said it on the show a couple of times. I
think he would be a fun addition to this team.
If they don't end up getting that big possession guy
early and they're still going into day three looking for
a receiver, I think that's that's a guy that would
be a lot of fun. At sixty five two oh five,

(38:02):
he can go up and grab it. He gives you
that red zone presence. He ran a four to three
of the combine, so he's got the speed to you.
Just hope there would be some refinement with him as well.
Also one thing to note about Dante Thornton Junior. Junior,
Adams recruited him to Oregon. That's where he began his
career trans from from there. There are some connections between
Dante Thornton Junior and this coaching stems.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
Thornton is really explosive. The problem is he doesn't make
anybody miss yep. And that's the total opposite of what
you got to McMillan. I think that's the biggest thing
between these two guys when you start to talk about
but the size, the ability to go get the football.
Nick hit it on the head. These Tennessee receivers. We
marvel at the plays they make down the field, but
we also are are upset that they only run two routes. Yeah,

(38:43):
you know, and this guy is a big slant and
a big vertical guy. You know, not to say he
can't learn and do other things, but at six five
and two o five and the speed he has absolutely
with the connections there with the Cowboys receivers, coach, you know,
you'd have to consider that guy day three for sure.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
Yeah, I wrote kind of a one trick pony, but gosh,
that trick is fun.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
And it is.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
I mean, he's a vertical threat ricks, he's got some
size to him, Yeah, the size down the fields. Got
a nine round throw it up to him. I mean yeah,
and he's super skinny. And I wonder if you can,
if you find another big corner to go against Timmy
Jams at the line, is he just gonna get absolutely bullied?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I mean, that's a I.

Speaker 6 (39:20):
Don't think there is a comparison between those two. You're
talking night and day difference.

Speaker 7 (39:23):
Can we call this episode that trick is fun.

Speaker 12 (39:25):
That trick is fun, trick is fun for fun trick
and make that happen now.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I did in my h my seven round mock draft
that I released on the Blitz this past weekend. I
in my simulation, Ttero at McMillan was not there at twelve.
I went with Matthew Golden at twelve. That was just
the pick that I had. I went with the value
there on my board and I stuck in pick with
Matthew Golden Because of that, Thornton was available in the
fifth round for me, I double dipped at wide receiver.

(39:52):
I could see something like that, maybe not those two
specifically Golden and Thornton, but I could see them double
dipping in certain spots to try and get what they
weren't able to get in the first couple of rounds,
depending on who they go with at twelve.

Speaker 9 (40:04):
If they're going to double sorry the next one. I
feel like, if they're going to double dip, you look
at defensive tackle because they've only got.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Five on this roster. That's a good one.

Speaker 9 (40:11):
Yeah, So that there's got to be you know, unless
they signed somebody else here in the coming days before
the draft or even after the draft, you gotta feel
like defensive tackle is the spot where they're going.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
To double dip if I could give you a real
quick double dip.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
This is from John Owning did it on his mock draft,
Burchard Smith messing you and then he went with jar
Quz Hunter from Auburn.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Okay, how do you like that combination? I'd like that all.
I think a couple of.

Speaker 8 (40:33):
Running backs Richard Smith would give you some slot flexibility too,
so you could find packages, many packages where they're both
on both on the field. For you, I would hope
you get back a little bit earlier than John.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
He did not take one in the first three PCs,
so he just double dipped it on the on day
three day.

Speaker 8 (40:50):
I think for a similar type, I think I would
like my Nungui a little bit better, or a Oli
Gordon er TOAJ Brooks that's in kind of that same
range for me. Yeah, a Land Larson in that same
range from over Smith over Hunter Hunter and then Smith
doubling back.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
Yeah, yeah, because a those guys are bigger than Hunter,
But I do like that combination.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
We talked about that yesterday. But I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
I mean, I've got I got todge Brooks in the third.
I'm a massive Todge Brooks fan. I think that guy
can do everything. You don't have to take him off
the field. I mean, and he's a tremendous pass blocker
as well, just not a burner for you, But you
get that with Brishard Smith's that would be a good compliment.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
I've got them all, almost all those names except for Hunter,
who is in the fifth. For me, I've got everybody
else that you guys talked about in the fourth. So
right around that same conversation, all right.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Somebody wanted to send us. It's an excerpt of the.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Pre draft press conference call from the Move the Sticks
podcast and Daniel Jeremiah. He talked about and he had
an interesting answer for how the Cowboys could take an
interior offensive lineman instead at pick number twelve. I think
they need to upgrade the receiver room, for sure, is
the quote. The expectation, though, in talking to folks around

(41:56):
the league and in regards to the Cowboys, is that
they've done a lot of work on the interior offensive linemen.
Does that change the way you think about things or
how does that fit in?

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Well, that's why that's why I asked Nick where he
had Golden in relation to some of these other players,
because I have to feel like that maybe could Booker,
you know, be above, could Booker, Jackson one of these guards,
you know, the guard's ohigo stage.

Speaker 12 (42:19):
You consider Banks in that conversation.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Banks could absolutely be in that mix for sure, if
you want to play mcguard, I mean I I got
him at tackle, but to them he's probably a guard.
Uh but yeah, I think that you know, those guys
very well could be all above and maybe not Jackson,
but Booker and then and sure Banks could.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Be above Golden.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
And if that's the stack, then that's where I would
say that maybe that's how they feel.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Then you know, that's probably the direction that they might go.

Speaker 8 (42:47):
These are just alignment I have above Golden, Banks, Booker, Gray's, Abel, Membu,
Campbell and connorly big Connory and Simmons excuse me, and Simmons,
I'm big Connory.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I remember you being big Connory. Yeah, Kin only said letting. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
I like Nick, you you wouldn't have a problem with
them taking a guard than at twelve or you wouldn't
have that a problem. Excuse me alignment at twelve.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
Uh, I mean for training camp content purposes, I would
be crushed.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
But no, I we're trying to win football game.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
I wouldn't have that.

Speaker 8 (43:16):
I mean you you look back to what Brian Schenheimer
said of the league meetings in Florida about out and
we want to get more physical. I want to run
the damn football. We want to We're going to be
a physical team. I asked, and what do you want
this offensive identity to be? Right out the gates? He said,
this is going to be a physical football team. We're
going to get after it at the point of attack.
It wouldn't surprise me if if alignment is very much
in play here at twelve and they go with the
Banks there, or if somehow Campbell slides. If Campbell's there,

(43:39):
then they pick pivot on that guy. The question for
me that becomes really interesting is if they take Simmons,
because what the hell do they do? You know, who
are they moving inside? But where who's coming off the field.
Because Guidan's not going to play guard, Steel's not going
to play guard. Simmons isn't going to play guard. I mean,
unless you're really trying to, you know, project him at
a different spot on the different side of the ball.
That's where things get a little interesting. But I can understand,

(44:01):
like if you talk about winter dressing your board, if
you really like a guy and he's at the top
of your board there for you, you gotta pick him
and you fixed out later.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
No chance Steele could play right guard.

Speaker 7 (44:09):
I don't huh.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
I don't think they talk about the power and stuff
like that or lack of I don't think that would
be the case.

Speaker 8 (44:16):
And you want to maximize seels athleticism, and like I said,
draft one on one pole, Like I said, with a
draft one on one last week, this coaching staff is
gonna help Terrence Steele more than any other player on
this roster.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I do agree with you.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
And are you giving up on Tyler Guyton after year one?

Speaker 2 (44:31):
That's that would be that you big.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
If they take Simmons, that's a big indictment on what
they think about Guidon.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
And I'll tell you what those Simmons would start right
off the jump. He would be fantastic for me. And
I don't think I don't think you would look back,
I think you would be really really happy with him
playing playing tackle for you, you know, I just like
I said, I I just I just think he's too
good of a player. But I'm all about if they're
going to take a lineman at twelve, I never have
a problem.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
What do you guys? Real quick?

Speaker 5 (44:57):
And I know it's a whole different show, but with
like awesome Richards, could Austin Richards play right guard?

Speaker 7 (45:03):
Yeah, that's certainly certainly a possibility.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
I mean, he he likes to play. He wants to
play guard more than does tackle. Are we not thinking
about him or Thomas one of.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
These Thomas is again?

Speaker 5 (45:13):
I mean I know it's it's maybe they're thinking about
guys that we're not thinking of, you know, And that's
why then you would say, well, hell, we'll draft Simmons
or one of these guys and play at tackle and
then we'll let we'll let you know, get and go compete,
you know, maybe on the right side there and figure
this thing out.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (45:30):
One thing about Simmons, his medicals are pretty strong. Everyone
feels pretty good about that knee going into the drafts.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
And every time something like that comes out, it continues
to push him up and up draft.

Speaker 6 (45:40):
He could go way higher than we're talking. He could
go before the Cowboys even pick it.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
I got a lot of followers from Kansas City fans
because I talk about him. Everybody in Kansas City thinks
he's going to be there at thirty one.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Hell it might be if they do. Then Andy Reid,
I'm gonn kiss you want to see you?

Speaker 3 (45:54):
That would be interesting, all right when we go and
I see you when we come back. Frame that we're
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with Zach Wilchuck Brian brought us Tommy Yarsh, Nick Harris,
Chris Beam in the back on Kyle Yeomans, Tommy. I'll
let you start three round mock drafts. What do you
think the Cowboys are going to do come Thursday.

Speaker 9 (49:03):
I don't feel confident about this at all, but we're
going to to do it nonetheless. First round, I'm going
Matthew Golden, wide receiver from Texas. Like I said, I
don't think Ted McMillan is going to be there.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I think Golden.

Speaker 12 (49:13):
All right, all right, all right, thank.

Speaker 10 (49:16):
You, Chris, thank you, Matthew McConahay.

Speaker 9 (49:18):
I think that you know, Golden's the second best receiver
that the Cowboys would would would look at in that spot.
I think even though you know, like I said, I
still got burdened higher on my board. I think Golden
is the other name that they're looking at. So I
go Golden the first, uh savon Revel Junior the corner
from East Carolina.

Speaker 10 (49:35):
In the second.

Speaker 9 (49:35):
I feel like that might be one where he just drops.
And you know, if you're questioning the medicals too much
depends what the report is on him. I've heard nothing.
I don't think I've heard anything concerning if is there anything,
is just.

Speaker 7 (49:46):
A matter if he's going to be ready at camp
training camp.

Speaker 10 (49:49):
Yeah, I think he's.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
I think I've heard I've heard really good stuff about
him or not.

Speaker 8 (49:55):
The same people saying about Ravel is the same people
that said Brooks is going to be ready in time
for camp last year. So I worry about that. And
Brooks wasn't ready to October. So that's that's that's the
only thing that's holding me back on being like, yeah,
Revel is fine, but you know, we'll see.

Speaker 10 (50:10):
Good to keep up with though, thanks for saying that
after I made.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
Gosh, I like your pick, though, I mean, I'd still
love to take He's a great player, it's awesome.

Speaker 9 (50:21):
And third round, I'm taking Jordan Phillips, defensive tackle Maryland.

Speaker 10 (50:23):
I would love.

Speaker 9 (50:24):
I would love Alfred Collins in this spot. I think
Collins is going to go before that in the third
so you get your one tech there in the middle
of the defensive line because like I said, oh brother,
this guy.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
Stick for what because you passed on the Texas guy.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah. No, I said, he's not going to be there.
He's gonna go too high.

Speaker 10 (50:42):
Yeah, I think he's not going to be there.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
That was Tommy's reaction whenever it happened.

Speaker 8 (50:46):
Yeah, you would play Phillips at the one tech I would. Okay,
it's the line coach Aaron Whitecotton was at his pro day. Uh,
he's just got three tech five tech experience, and I
think there is a slide inside that's gospel in his future.
You just he'd be strictly there for you on early rundowns.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
Zero sacks in his career.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
That's just the one thing that really stands out to
me from a pass rush perspective.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah. I do like Jordan Phillips though, big fan of his.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
All Right, Brian, what you think I like your three picks?
By the way, Tommy, you don't stink, I promise, thanks Brian.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
What are your three? I am?

Speaker 5 (51:21):
I'm struggling with two with the fact that I don't
think McMillan's going to be there, so I'm kind of
struggle with that. I do think that they're going to go.
I think they're going to go in opposite direction here.
I think they're going to take a cornerback here. I
think Will Johnson's going to be the pick wow for
them at at twelve. Uh, you know, there might be
some possibility of him going earlier, but I have a

(51:42):
feeling that there. I think there's just and that's why
I keep asking this question about the gap between McMillan
and see Golden. And I'm thinking that maybe that the
way they're going to stack this thing, there's going to
be defensive player or an offensive player, and it's not
going to be a wide receiver that's going to be there.
I think that Will Johnson might be there, might be
one of the guys that they really really consider there.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
So I'm gonna take Will Johnson with that.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
With that pick, I don't want to disrupt you too bad,
but I do want to ask a question before moving on.
Do you feel like the Matt gold the Matthew Golden
conversation has been a smoke screen the entire time.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
No, I don't.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
I think that they're legitimately trying to figure out though
about the receiver position. But I think, as you know,
as we were going along here, we didn't consider where
their stock. And I know I'm making a big deal
about this, but I think it's really important to that
is because what happens when you get in that room.
You don't want big time discussions on the clock as

(52:39):
a as a group, we agreed, this is our player,
this is how we see these players.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
If it's our turn to pick. These are guys. I
think that.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
I think Golden is a hell of a player, and yeah,
they absolutely need a wide receiver. But I just wonder
if there's guys on their board that they feel that's better.
And that's why I asked Nick that question question. I
think Nick's got a really good handle on this of
the guys that between you know, between say McMillan and
then also Golden, I kind of I'm not as as

(53:10):
deep as he is on those, but I think he's
going the right direction here. So I'm gonna I'm gonna
pick I'm gonna pick Will Johnson there with the twelfth uh,
the twelfth pick. I'm gonna turn around in the second
round and I'm gonna I'm gonna say that they're going
to have a chance, uh to draft Henderson here. I
think Henderson is going to get to them at forty four. Somebody,

(53:30):
somebody go with Johnson Henderson. And then I'm gonna go
ahead and and and give you an idea of I'm
gonna take Royals the wide receiver from Utah se I
like that. So corner. I didn't get the defensive tackle.
Maybe some of these guys slide, uh, you know, that
would be something I think that would be, you know,
would help the Cowboys. But let's go Johnson right there,

(53:52):
Let's go Henderson, and let's go Royal Royals.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
I think the way that Cowboys fans would react to
those three picks, they would be a little disappointed in
Will Johnson just based off of initial reaction.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
I think Will Johnson can be a good player. I
have a first round great on him. Specifically, I'm I'm
a little higher on Will Johnson than most, so I
wouldn't be upset about it. I think Cowboys fans as
a whole would probably be upset. However, the two and
three round haul that you get there with Henderson and Royals,
I think that would subside all of the disappointment from
round one and you get three solid spots filled.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Oh, they'd be home runs. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Both those are two grand slams in the second and
the third round. Because I'd pray they'd make it there.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
I don't think that they would, but gosh, if they did, Brian,
you got a great cluster there. I love those three picks.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
What are your three?

Speaker 6 (54:38):
I'm gonna stick with Ted McMillan, And You're right, he
might not be there, but I think that he's the
guy that they want.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
He's the guy that I would also like.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
So I'm just gonna go ahead and hope that the
draft gods are shining on the Cowboys like they did
with Ceedee Lamb a few years ago, and Ted Roha
McMillan finds his way to navigate to twelve, then I
do think you're gonna get a run on corners. I
don't know if this player is going to be there,
but Maxwell harriston the corner of Kentucky, we haven't. I
don't know that we've linked him a lot to the Cowboys.
Six one six, he tied the school record for most

(55:07):
interceptions re turn for touchdown, Super athlete, team captain. He's
a great zone cover guy. I think that he's one
of the better corners in this reft. He might end
up sneaking into the first round of not being there
and then in the third there I thought about defensive
tackle as well. I do think I'm gonna just go
with the running back here and Tootin from Virginia Tech
is the guy. Now, I personally do like RJ. Harvey more,

(55:31):
but they might like Bracheal Tuton a little bit more
out of Virginia Tech. And he's an electrifying runner, incredible production,
home run speed, He's physical between the tackles despite being
a smaller bag. Those three would get me very, very
excited if that's what they were able to do day
one and two.

Speaker 8 (55:44):
We would have such a fun conversation if we're there
at seventy six and they haven't taken the running back yet,
because there's gonna be so many in that sweet spot
where were gonna have a fun conversation about that, and
probably a fun conversation in the war room between guys
like Tuton, RJ. Harvey, Damien Martinez, Devin Neil if he's
in that mixed for them, guys like that my three,
My I'll go backwards third round. Bachelle Tooton, I'm with you.

(56:07):
I think I think there's a lot of things that
make sense about him in this offense, and you know,
you factor in him being a thirty visit guy as well.
I think he just makes a lot of sense, especially
when you talk about being violent, being physical, He's he
is that type of guy.

Speaker 17 (56:20):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (56:21):
In the second round, Trey Amos out of Ole Miss
This is a this is a top twenty five player
on my board.

Speaker 7 (56:26):
I think he's so.

Speaker 8 (56:28):
I think he is legit at that you would have
to play some musical chairs at the corner spot to
figure out, you know, who's gonna slide inside, who's going
to be your inside guy, especially once Diggs gets healthy.
But it also gives you the freedom until Digs gets
healthy and then in the first round I'm going to
mikel Williams at twelve and who knows, this could change

(56:49):
by Thursday. But that's that's the pick I see happening
right now. But if you ask my confidence level on it,
I'm all the way at Narle.

Speaker 7 (56:56):
Yeah yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
What do we all feel? If you gave me a
scale of.

Speaker 12 (57:01):
One to ten, what would be your confidence level on
your first round pick?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I mean, I'm one hundred percent if he's on the board.
I'm just scared that.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yeah, I agree with you there, let's just stuck with it.
What's your confidence level that he's on the board right now?
Might get ten percent? Okay, so you would give me
a one out of ten, So what would you be
your confidence level in your first round pick, Brian, I.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Am a four five, I'm five out of five out
of ten.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Okay, halfway there go like four four four, probably a four.
My first round right now is Golden. I think we're
going to learn a lot over the next forty eight hours.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I really do.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
I'm still thinking Golden at the point. My second round
pick would be Shavon Revel out of ECU, going out
that cornerback spot. I know he's a little banged up,
but I still think he's an immediate player, in a
first round caliber player when he's healthy. And then my
third one would be Basial Touton as Well out of
Virginia Tech. Let's let's make something out of that running
back room in the third round and then we can

(57:56):
continue to fix it from there. But I would put
a three on my confidence level with Golden the first
round pick.

Speaker 7 (58:01):
Really quick.

Speaker 8 (58:01):
The positions of need, the dire positions of need for
this team. You talk about receiver, you talk about corner
and defensive tackle. You can even throw running back in
there too. Sure, the one position that I think you
could get away with not picking in the first two days,
and you'll find somebody in free agency still and still
have a competent option at that spot is receiver. And

(58:23):
I wonder how much they think about the same thing,
because that was certainly their thinking last year at the
running back position. It just didn't work out for them.
I do wonder how much that factors in, because if
they signed that guy yesterday, that guy would factor into
a compick formula. If they sign him next Wednesday, it
doesn't necessarily factor into a comp pick formula.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I think that's a great point.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
And as we've talked, like the Golden Egbuca battle, I
think Brian with will Johnson there, if Ted's not on
the board, I could easily see will Johnson being the
pivot pick there.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
I think I just think that it's somebody, and I
picked somebody, and I could have picked Mikeel Williams there too.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
I just think they're going to be a large I
shouldn't say large. There's going to be several players between
McMillan and Golden on the stack. That's just that's how
I think this is going to play out, because they
could hell, we talked about gold they could be burdened,
could be there, Abuka. I mean, these are guys, they
could like both those guys more than they like Golden.

(59:18):
You know, it's just been a lot of buzz about Golden.
I think a lot of it has to do with
the speed. He's an outstanding player, but I think there's
just a group of players that they maybe like a
little bit better in between. And that's that's kind of
what I factored in on my selections.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah, all right, that's going to do it for us
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