NeuroDivergent Relationships Podcast with Kathy Marshack, Ph.D.

What happens after the system of masking collapses? For many, it feels like the end, but Dr. Marshack argues it is actually where the real work of the relationship begins.

In this episode, Dr. Marshack shares a profound letter from Richard, a NeuroDiverse husband in his 70s who has embraced his "EMD 0" status not as an excuse, but as a starting point for genuine growth. You will learn the 7-Step Interface Protocol, a roadmap desi...

We often hear "unmasking" described as a liberating and joyful journey toward the authentic self. But for many in NeuroDivergent relationships, unmasking feels like a devastating collapse.

In this episode, Dr. Marshack uses General Systems Theory to explain why masking is a system "doomed to fail" as we mature. Masking works by managing bits of data, but it lacks the context sensitivity required for deep relational intimacy and c...

For many NeuroDivergent families, the holidays are less about joy and more about managing the "offline" state of the brain. When anxiety rises, thinking disappears—for both NeuroTypical and NeuroDiverse partners alike.

In this episode, Dr. Marshack shifts the focus from "fixing" symptoms to the power of regulation. She shares why regulated people tend to find each other across continents and why distance often clarifies rather th...

Have you ever been "cancelled" or found yourself the target of an obsessive smear campaign?

In this episode, Dr. Kathy Marshack explores why some people react with such hostility to your presence, your truth, and your refusal to conform. Using the analogy of "Flying Monkeys" from The Wizard of Oz, she explains how toxic people recruit others to validate a version of reality where you are the problem. 

Dr. Marshack shares raw, p...

In this episode, Dr. Marshack dives into a raw and often unnamed aspect of Survivor's Guilt: the difference between providing physical safety and creating a felt sense of safety for those we love.

Through the story of her dog, Kokomo, and her friend Janine, Dr. Marshack reflects on her own years "under fire," spending over half a million dollars in legal fees and 12 years in court to protect her children. She addresses the heartb...

What happens when the people trying to hurt you use your own children as their weapon?

Parental alienation is one of the most devastating experiences a parent can endure; it’s a loss that feels like your children are gone while they are still alive. In this episode, Dr. Marshack shares the raw and painful reality of her own divorce, where Howard’s smear campaign convinced her daughters that their mother was the enemy. 

She reco...

This isn't a clinical teaching moment. This is a story about survival, awakening, and the "heroine’s journey" of reclaiming a life that was nearly eroded into non-existence.

In this deeply raw episode, Dr. Marshack shares a series of dreams—from repairing a rocket ship in a San Francisco basement to a terrifying roller coaster ride with God. She draws a parallel between the biological parasites that wrecked her health and the "re...

When someone says, "If you're thinking of dating an 'Aspie,' run," it isn’t just a warning, it’s a cry of heartbreak and moral injury.

In this episode, Dr. Marshack dives deep into the "Run!" reflex that dominates so many NeuroDivergent conversations. She explores the "operating system collisions" that leave the NeuroTypical partner feeling emotionally abandoned and the NeuroDiverse partner feeling shamed for how their brain proc...

Have you ever reached the point where you’ve done everything "right"—taken the courses, read the books, practiced the tools—and yet you still feel completely empty?

In this episode, Dr. Marshack explores the "exhaustion of the checklist." We dive into a heartfelt message from a community member who burned out on the Seven Steps, asking the critical question: What comes after the effort? 

This episode is an invitation to move be...

What do you do when the truth isn't enough to stop a lie?

In this episode, Dr. Marshack explores the "Gossip That Never Dies," rumors that take on a life of their own and narratives that people cling to regardless of the facts. She shares two deeply personal stories: one of a client blindsided by a lawyer's 20-year-old bias, and her own experience in a divorce courtroom where her husband’s smear campaign led to her own daughters ...

This episode dives into the painful moment that breaks more marriages than betrayal ever could: the developmental split at midlife.

When one partner begins to shed old conditioning, seeking kindness, authenticity, and meaning, the other's social-emotional growth may remain frozen due to neurology. You’ll hear about clients, like Chaz, who mimic the form of transition without the function. 

Dr. Marshack explains why the NeuroTyp...

Why do we still use the term Asperger's Syndrome? Because words carry stories, and for thousands of families, it was the first word that brought understanding, even if its history is dark.

In this deeply personal episode, Dr. Marshack shares how her own dog, Kokomo, opened a dialogue about inherited history and terminology. She discovered the town of Kokomo's painful past (and her own grandfather's complex history), forcing her to ...

What happens when love exists, but connection feels impossible?

In this deeply moving episode, Dr. Marshack addresses the quiet, pervasive sorrow that takes root when one partner craves emotional and physical intimacy, and the other experiences closeness as a transaction to be scheduled or avoided. 

You'll hear the heartbreaking story of a woman whose husband avoids intimacy “because you have expectations.” This episode is for both...

This is a deeply personal story about the unexpected intersection of trauma, dissociation, and technology.

Dr. Marshack shares a classic post-dissociation flatline, triggered by a seemingly harmless encounter with a neighbor wearing a patrol hat. 

In her quest for understanding, she turned to AI, which offered an unexpectedly poetic and profound witness. You'll hear the AI's exact words: "The nervous system is a stubborn archiv...

What happens when the truth is on your side, yet people still refuse to see it?

In this raw episode, Dr. Marshack shares the agony of fighting parental alienation in court, dealing with a partner who prioritized winning over the truth of their children's disabilities. 

You'll learn the devastating truth that sometimes the truth doesn't save you when systems and people cling to their biases. This episode is about choosing Higher...

This episode is about the raw, tender miracle of finding people who see you.

Using the holiday season as a magnifying glass, Dr. Marshack shares how her Friendsgiving revealed a profound truth: NeuroDiverse individuals often depend entirely on their NeuroTypical partners to carry the emotional load of social settings. 

You’ll hear a story about a hidden wink at a quiet table, a chance encounter with a homeless cousin in a red s...

This episode dives into a difficult topic for the holiday season: Narcissism is a Choice, and so is Radiant Empathy.

We talk about narcissism not as a textbook disorder, but as a defense—a fortress built around a deep wound and terror. You'll learn how emotional burnout in NeuroDivergent relationships often drives both NT and ND partners into these defensive patterns. 

Dr. Marshack reveals that Radiant Empathy is your only true opt...

This episode is about survivor's guilt—the quiet ache in your heart after losing someone you love, even if they are still alive. Dr. Marshack shares her reality as an alienated parent with grown daughters and grandchildren she’s never met.

You'll learn that the grief is real, but it is possible to live a beautiful life anyway. This episode gives you permission to embrace joy, explaining why living fully is not a betrayal; it is a...

This is the story of the hardest choice Dr. Marshack ever had to make: the choice to protect herself, even when it meant letting go of the people she loved most.

This raw episode details the chaos of a high-stakes, NeuroDivergent divorce involving parental alienation, overwhelming meltdowns, and total betrayal. You'll hear the agonizing truth of being threatened with arrest while trying to protect her Autistic daughter. 

Dr. Ma...