April 16, 2024 • 45 mins
In an eerie edition of our true crime series, we delve deep into the spine-chilling story of infamous Kelly Cochran, the "Devil Woman of Michigan". This two-part review focuses on the mysterious disappearance of Chris Reagan, a retired Air Force officer and the chilling revelations that arise, leading us to Kelly Cochran, known for her iron-hearted chilling demeanor and morbidly dark past.
In their seemingly tranquil suburban neighborhood, Kelly's solitary existence juxtaposed with Jason, her grumpy, sleep-deprived husband sparks attention, as events unfold leading to a grim backyard cookout, a suspicious pile of evidence and an emergency call. Mention of Jason's fiction book paralleling their grim reality primes the story for a shocking following episode.
Join us for Part Two of this thrilling series where we unravel this gruesome story of deception, shocking crime, and eye-popping revelations. Support us on Patreon for instant access to the conclusion of this saga. Feel free to leave us a review!
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I'm chris i'm brad and this is here no evil increasing the level of fun by increasing
your level of beer that's yeah yeah psa kids.
Music.
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What's up guys so we have the case
today is the devil woman of michigan otherwise
known as kelly cochran otherwise known as an asshole
and this is going to be a two-parter we're
going to cut you you guys off right we're gonna
get you all worked up and then we're gonna leave and you're
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just gonna have to wait around for the next one to come out this week i feel
like that's is that like your mo and everything though like yeah it is i'm gonna
get you all worked up and then i'm gonna leave bye like you know probably yeah
that's probably my mo and a lot of things actually,
like oh i think he's uh he's gonna settle down and pop the question it's like
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ghost no i'm just kidding you hear that ladies.
What's the one guy said he was like uh he's talking about like it's so convenient
he was like oh you know i like my last relationship was really good it lasted
like six years he said but the best way to get out of it send her a text hey
good run six years send block see you.
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It's like what the fuck that's hardcore all right man so let's set the scene here so,
october all right 2014 chris reagan
is reported missing by his long time on and off again girlfriend terry o'donnell
what started this was the day that he was supposed to be completing a routine
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drug test for a new job that he had pretty much you know all but locked up in
north carolina you know,
he was supposed to call her right after this drug test.
Well, she didn't hear from him. They were really close friends.
You know, she knew he was excited about this move.
So she started to get concerned. She started texting him, calling him.
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And what got her worried is this is not like him.
He wouldn't just not respond to a text. He would not answer a phone call.
And they have a, like their relationship goes back years and they were very close.
And what the final straw was, one of his co-workers actually mentioned to Terry
that he not only hadn't shown up for work in a couple of days,
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but that he had seen his car parked at this park and ride for several days and it hasn't moved.
So a little bit about chris reagan this is all taking place in iron river michigan
and chris reagan was retired air force he's 53 dude was like super you know outdoorsy athletic,
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love to you know kayaking and
bicycling and any of that like kind of stuff that you
know those kind of active people do that's kind of jerks yeah
yeah kind of assholes you know rub it
in yeah i do a podcast while
i climb eight mountains oh but do
you do a podcast do you do a podcast though
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yeah exactly i think we're still even so
i've got to sit up straight so which i don't are you
reclined are you like reclined just holding the mic and i am dude i'm just like
chilled back i'm just sitting legs up like what up bitches that is not how i
pictured you so this changes a lot i'm actually more uncomfortable doing this with you you should be.
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Just wearing my gray sweats just you know oh oh that's funny so um i'm definitely
just my posture is bad but,
so this area in iron river michigan is like it's part of the upper peninsula,
and something i thought was funny was that they call people oopers up there,
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oopers or youpers or i think it's oopers which i just thought was a funny fucking word but
well you have a personal vendetta against michigan anyways don't you
the whole state uh yeah so the whole fucking
state i know we haven't pissed off enough people in the world yet with this
podcast but michigan's going down with them because now now great if you're
a michigan if you're in michigan but you hate the wolverines like i'll fuck
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with you like you're cool but yeah i just i don't like the wolverines i don't
like the stupid colors i don't like any of it big ohio state guy yeah Yes.
I was going to say, the way most people feel about Ohio, you feel about Michigan.
Go fuck yourself. Nice.
That was good. You hit me for the rope-a-dope just now.
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You're like, hey, look at my hand over here. And then slap me with the other one. It's a dick move.
So as I said, totally opposite of us, this guy was super outdoorsy.
And that's kind of what attracted to him to move to this area.
Because it was just very nature, wilderness, a bunch of stuff like that to do.
And also Terry O'Donnell lived there. And like I said, they had been on and
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off, but lately they were kind of working it out.
They were kind of getting to a more serious relationship.
Now, when he got up there and they started spending more time together.
Terry started suspecting that there was some issues with the relationship.
I mean, she really loved Chris. She was trying to do the right things with him
and make this thing work,
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but she kind of had a suspicion that maybe he was you know like hoeing around
like he was you know seeing other women on the side you said he's 53 huh he's
fit he's a dude he's healthy okay he's an outdoors guy yeah all right i mean
good for you chris like great job,
and she was right i mean she found him you know talking to other women so they
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ended it but they stayed friends because she was like whatever i mean when you're
that age like you know i don't think you get pissed off about it as much.
You're just like, all right, bye, but I'll see you for coffee tomorrow.
So with all this happening, this is where Chris decides he wants to make another move.
He's like, yeah, if it ended with Terry and there's just really no point in being up here.
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And so he decides he's going to look for another job and he finds one in Asheville, North Carolina.
And one of the other good things about this was he was actually going to be
going down there and him and his kind of son that he had a good relationship
with, but he was trying to make it a better one. Like they had kind of fallen off.
They were going to move in together. Like they were going to live in Asheville
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together while he got this new job.
And they were just going to kind of spend time, like I said,
just going out and doing outdoor shit and be a bros.
So when Terry reports him missing, the police go right to work.
So they head over to the apartment and this apartment is just disgusting.
There's shit everywhere. It's just kind of in disarray. And Terry mentioned
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that this is not like him.
He's super organized. He's super peculiar about where everything goes.
He's like a planned out guy.
She was like, this doesn't make any sense. Things would be where they're supposed
to be, especially with this big move coming up. It didn't make any sense.
There was also the situation with that car that was at that parking stop yeah
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i was gonna say some i didn't want to like interrupt your intro yeah go ahead
they said they said three days,
yeah at least several yeah several days yeah like he had seen it there and i
guess he kept you know past it he was like what the fuck the car's still there right,
and he's just like that's weird you know keep driving keep driving like i'm like,
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weird anyway.
Turns the taylor swift up on the radio that's right that's right god same bro so,
so he so they go to check out the car and they see some stuff in there that
you know kind of again makes them a little sketched out like they see his knee
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brace he had just gotten a surgery,
and the doctor had this knee brace for him that he was supposed to wear at all
times like he had I had to keep this fucking thing on.
And then they see a post-it note with directions to a house.
You know, it just basically was like, go here, turn left here, go like 400 feet.
And I just want to say like, this is 2014. I mean,
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who the fuck is giving like post-it note directions yeah what is
you know but then i'm like well maybe this place is so far
off the beaten path that like gps is like
nah dude i'm not i'm not doing that i'm not
going there you can go there i'm not going there well you know i will say that's
that's some country folk shit though right true like yeah head on down to the
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old bilo it's so go to the bilo no it's the old bilo so it's not there anymore
so like what It's just a vacant building,
but it's the old, so go to the old bylaw and then at the old oak tree,
the big oak tree, the one that got hit by lightning 20 years ago,
you're going to take a right.
Now I know you didn't live here and you may not have been born yet,
but the one that got hit by lightning, that was all over the news. Take it right there.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's some country shit right there. So, you know,
that, that one where little Timmy fell off the branch. Remember he lost his ankle up.
They're like, who the fuck is Timmy? Oh, you know, Timmy. Yeah.
Okay, man. You know, Timmy. You know, Timmy. They're going to tell you that
you know him. Until you just say yes.
It's not even a bylaw anymore. It's like a sex shop.
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So they start talking to some people at work, right?
Chief Rizzo goes, you know, she's on the case. And so she goes to the employer
and kind of gets some information about Chris.
And Chris's reputation at work was really well.
I mean, he was a badass. People said he was a hard worker, took charge.
Leadership qualities right off the rip.
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Nobody had anything bad to say about him and but what they did mention from
some people is that he seemed to have a very friendly relationship with another
co-worker her name was kelly cochran i've heard this name before yeah kelly
at the beginning of the episode,
shocker i got a bad feeling about this kelly lady i don't know why i don't know
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i don't know No, maybe because her last name is Cock.
That doesn't help.
So when they look at the directions on the post-it note, I know,
big surprise, it goes to Kelly's house.
Not only Kelly's house, but Kelly and her husband's house. Yeah.
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So let's do a little background on her. So Kelly grew up in Hobart, Indiana.
Cock from Ho? ho the cock from hobart kelly
cock grew up in ho and kelly
crock and i'm gonna call her kelly cock so she was
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a pain in the ass even as a kid man like she her parents had
a hard time with her she did a lot of drugs she spent some
time in juvie and it seemed
like just randomly one day you know when she was
older she decided to go all right i'm gonna get my
shit together i'm gonna go to school like it just like clicked so i
mean that's cool you know yeah and so
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she went to purdue and she studied psychology and sociology
and then i think forensics and that's
also where she started dating her current husband jason
now them two have known each other
their whole lives but it wasn't like they were real close they just
you know lived in hobart indiana so i'm sure you fucking knew everybody
i don't know how big that place is but yeah it doesn't sound like you know
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new york city but so but
they didn't really they weren't close and then even when they got together
you know people were saying like that doesn't make any sense
like we don't really understand but hey whatever if you're if you're happy you're
happy i don't understand a lot of people's fucking relationships but what was
it what was it specifically that they didn't understand like they just thought
they were different like he was very and when i say this it's not going to seem
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Like that is a reason for people not to get married,
but they said he was very like quiet and kind of passive.
And, and you know, she was very like.
Domineering and a go-getter and which i to me i'm like well it makes sense you
don't want two people the same kind of personality but yeah i i obviously don't
know either one of them so
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they just everybody just thought it just didn't they're like ah would have never
guessed that so okay all right and you see that i mean that happens you know yeah it does all the time.
So well apparently they both did have something in common
they were fucking weird because when they got
married i gotta they make i
gotta tell you they make a marriage pact on the night of their wedding okay
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that sounds nice sounds loving exactly like
you're like hey like i love you you love me we're gonna be together
for the rest of our lives and and they take it to
a whole nother level okay they say they say
if either one of us have an affair the other
person gets to kill that person that
was the third right so if you
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cheat on me i get to murder that
girl or guy that you cheated on me
with like that was their pact and i
feel like that should involve the third person though right
i mean that's hardly a pact between you two
that's like you know like as you're being murdered you're
like well why could you
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have shown me me the contract first like they're i i
feel like there's got to be some legal precedence for me in this
like let me should tell that person ahead
of time yes coming over oh by
the way yes sign this paper yeah there's
a little we have a writer there's a writer please i'm just curious of how like
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how that conversation comes up like they you know they have the wedding they
throw the cake in each other's mouths they say goodbye to all their friends
they don't have that dumb shit and then and they're in the hotel and they're
hanging out or wherever the fuck they went.
And they're just like, Oh, love you. I love you too. And then he's like, so babe, by the way.
Can i kill somebody if you just like you just yes just comes
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up and she's like oh my god yes and she just
goes and then they have ew right well see i was picturing
it i was picturing it like post coitus like post nut
clarity you know and you're like smoking they're
smoking a cigarette in bed and he's just like that
was just that was so wild babe like if you ever do
that with somebody else can i kill oh okay okay
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okay i can see that yeah don't smoke
kids that's bad that's the worst part
of this episode also don't kill people but because when
you're smoking you're killing yourself and that's true which i
wish they would have smoked a pack of cigarettes like right there like 18
packs so so college didn't
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work out for them they ended up starting a pool business where they would like
go in in repair and fix people's pools and stuff like that and And this lasted
about 10 years until the manual labor kind of took a toll on Jason and he started
having like severe back pain.
And this kind of really impaired his life in a lot of ways. Like he couldn't,
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he couldn't work anymore.
She had to kind of, you know, foot the bill and do all the stuff and make the money.
And he also couldn't have sex anymore. The pain was just too much.
So i don't think that pain could ever be too much
for me i don't think i would ever like yeah limit
the limit does not exist that's not a thing but my fucking leg off i'm gonna
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find a way um does that make it easier i think so yeah that's less less in the
way of your junk you know that's right man it's called uh mobility i'm just hopping around just.
So hold on stay right there hold on let me hop
over here i didn't mean to interrupt but
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that just did not compute like that just fried my brain like they're
like i'm sure there's some murders coming up and i'll have to wrap my noggin
around that but like i'm too much paid for sex
like no actually i want it more when i'm in pain like when
i'm sick that's right that's when i'm like the most you know
i don't get it like my wife i shouldn't be talking about my wife
like like she's sick i'm like leave her alone
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don't go near her if she doesn't feel well don't go near like
me if i'm sick i'm just like pants off in bed like whatever you can do just
do it bring me back to life i'll be here in between puking just let's see if we can make this work.
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Like aren't you yeah exactly yeah there's nothing the pain but you know that's
what he said he said it was the pain i would more so say it's just you know
if you look at her it's probably more that but she's rough too but that's the
pain huh that's the pain he's like oh my back hurts forever oh.
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But like so if if this is true because now there was reports like her dad had
said like you know he's a fucking liar like i saw him lifting some heavy shit
like he's acting like he's hurt he's just an asshole but if if it is true and
if he was in so much pain that he couldn't work,
and also couldn't have sex and they're like okay like you're gonna be depressed you know like.
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That's probably you know i mean i
know i have that like it's part of my identity working in sex so
like if he took both those away i would be fucking confused so
this guy if if he was telling the truth he
was going through it well but his
dad said he or you know her dad said he's a fucking liar so so now
they decide this is when they decide to move out to iron river
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michigan and part of the reason was they weed was
legal out there and they thought that would help with his pain but some
other people said that there were some rumors that maybe another
reason they moved is because kelly started having affairs so
they were like let's move to a place where there's nobody you
know so who knows and he
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and he didn't he didn't kill any of the people per the
pack not not that we know of huh so maybe
that was why they moved or maybe they did and maybe that's why they had to leave
you know okay well that's okay there you go i just
didn't know like how legally binding the contract was like if
their marriage would dissolve if he didn't kill them them yeah i don't know
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if they had that notarized in like a present like i think it was like that kind
of bad all right they timed it up to the like legal zoom and they're like the
lawyers on the on the fucking website are like are you fucking kidding me.
Delete so so after the cops find these
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directions they they head on over to the house they're
like like let's let's go ask them what's going on so the cops
knock on the door and jason answers and the first
thing they're like hey you know we're looking into the situation
with a missing person you mind if we ask you some questions yada
yada yada he said yeah sure well they ask if his wife kelly's home he's like
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no she'll be back later and i could tell her you stopped by and they're like
all right well is there anybody else in there he's like no and they're like
oh okay well as soon As soon as he says that Kelly comes walking down the stairs
and she's like, Hey guys, what's up?
And so the, the cops are like, all right, strike two, three, four.
So they, they ask her, they're like, Hey,
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why would your husband fucking lie to our face and say you're not here you know
what what's going on right that's a good that's a good opening question yeah
yeah like hi how are you why the fuck is your weird looking husband lying to us.
So you know what i noticed man is like as i get into these stories the more
i start hating these people i comment on how shitty they are like i just oh
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i'm sure that's natural yeah yeah i'm I'm like, oh man,
like, you know, I would never say something like this about just a random person.
But like, if, if you're, if you're in this story, it's cause you did something
horrible and now you're a frumpy fuck.
Like, I don't like you. Like, I'm just going to insult everything I can.
And it's just like subconsciously happening. I'm like, yeah, you piece of shit.
So no, I get it. Like, because I'm thinking, I think the same thing as I'm,
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you know, as I'm listening, you know, and hearing about these people and I'm
like, you know, I would never like make fun of someone's appearance.
Like, that's just not okay. know right like you know whether whether you
think they're overweight or their eyes are too far apart or
something like that you're like that's just that's that's who
you are like that's my eyes real quickly checks the
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mirror with a ruler just picked up
my phone real quick like but yeah there's
definitely something like as soon as it's like you you deserve this right right
there's this you know that you you can't get enough of what we're gonna give
you right oh yeah yeah and it has nothing to do with appearance really or anything
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it's just like you just deserve to be
made fun of that's yeah i mean these motherfuckers could say like you know.
Like there could be a part where they're like oh you know jason played piano
i'd be like of course he did piece of shit like i i love
the piano i think it was amazing but if he played it i'd
be be like piano's fucking stupid couldn't play
something cool you know so it's just it's perspective right
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it's who we're talking about clarinet playing motherfucker yeah yeah
you get a fucking like got like a fucking you
know nobel prize i'd be like big deal dude you know
couldn't get a grammy you know so yeah so
yeah so that's i was like i just had to point that out because i'm like man i'm i
just keep going in on people's looks so yeah no i understand
completely understand understand so with
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the lion and and you know already off
to a bad start they're like okay they're like won't you guys just come
on down to the station and let's let's separate you two and ask y'all
some questions so they do that
they get them on the station they get them in separate rooms and they
just start you know kind of like just trying to get information you
know have you do you know chris reagan have you seen him blah blah blah well
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kelly was fucking ice cold she was like yeah you know like i know he is we had
an affair you know my husband knows about it we have an open marriage i mean
she was just like yeah yeah i know he is like we were banging on the rig.
Wow yeah she was very cool about it and so they're like okay so then they start interviewing jason,
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The interview was a thousand times different. He sits down and just almost within
like five seconds just starts crying and saying that he's got severe anxiety
and talks about his back hurts and how he's went to a mental hospital and how he was suicidal.
I don't even think they asked him a fucking question. How do you say nothing pertinent to the case?
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They're like, hi, Jason. He's like, my fucking back hurts. He starts crying.
They're like, my dog died when I was 14. like gee uh we are not your therapist
jason we are here to ask you questions can i just get a hug before this or like i don't work,
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oh man yeah he just starts losing it so they they both declined a lie detector
test and and you know but the cops are like okay we're kind of on these motherfuckers
like something's going going on there well they get a co-worker that comes forward
this guy's name is eric erickson,
and nice original name huh god that's a damn best name you would almost think that's fake michigan.
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That's that's the name that you like give when you're like underage drinking
and the cops like show up and ask for your id like what's your name sir it's
eric do you have a last name eric,
erickson erickson erickson jr stevens
yeah the third exactly so
one of the things that the that they asked kelly when they were interrogating
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her was like they're like hey do you know where this like uh park and ride is
and she's like no she's like i don't know where that's at she's like actually
i don't even know what that is like i've never fucking heard of it she's like
i don't even know what a park ride is i don't know who you are like i don't
even know what state i'm in like she She just goes in. She's like, I don't know shit.
Well, which is funny because they're suspecting that, you know,
somehow Chris's car had to get back to that park and ride. And they're kind
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of on the thought that maybe she took it back.
And when this guy, Eric Erickson, comes forward, they ask, well,
you know, how do you know Kelly?
And he's like, oh, you know, we've been sleeping together because Kelly just gets around, bro.
So, yeah. And he said, oh, yeah, we go to this spot over across from the park and ride to hook up.
So they're like, OK, bitch.
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So now they know that she's she's lying okay they're acting sketchy they're already lying,
And, you know, they say, we're going to go get a warrant where we have enough.
We're going to get the warrant. We're going to go check their house out.
They roll up on them. And the first thing they ask are like,
hey, is there any weapons in the house? And Kelly says, no.
Well, of course, there fucking is. There's a ton of shit, right?
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There's there's a 22 fucking gun loaded under the TV.
There's like a shit ton of knives and swords and like medieval style weapons.
It's like it's like a Dungeons and Dragons lair that also has a gun.
It's really fucking weird so they
searched this house for about 12 hours okay they're just tearing
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it apart well in the meantime jason and
kelly go across the street and they're like staying with their neighbors and
the neighbors later on reported that when they were over there that they were
fucking nervous as shit they were like jason was beat red freaking out twitchy
like Like they were like something he was worried about something.
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One of the things they did too, is they did what we call like luminol testing.
And you know what that is? I think we talked about that before.
Oh, maybe. Is it like looking for blood or gunpowder or is it blood?
Okay. Good job. All right. Good job. I'm learning.
That's the best part about this show is that not only do I get horrified, I also learn.
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Not only do i just have a
darker view of life but yes i learned about young blood
can i get a little off track here just real quick
i'm gonna throw in that there was one night i don't
think i've i've mentioned this in the like the previous episode but
there's one night i'm like i'm going to bed wife is still downstairs she's like
i'll be up in a little bit and she comes upstairs and i was like i wonder i
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was like i i made sure i was like you locked up you you're in charge of locking
up turn everything off tv whatever she's like all right cool she comes upstairs
she's like half asleep. I'm like, I'm just going to go check.
So I go downstairs and I check. Fucking front door is not locked.
I was like, this is the biggest one. How did you miss this one?
We have two doors and you were...
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At 50 right now that's an f minus
so i locked that door and then i come
back upstairs i'm like i think she had the windows open today
so i go back downstairs and i check there's like two windows that are
not locked and i lock those motherfuckers up
too and i it's just a little conversation you know it's like 5 30 in the morning
i'm just like hey you know i don't want to start a whole thing but my mind is
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full of murderers right now you need to lock the goddamn damn front door all
right this is just it's not a game this is the way we do things right now yes.
Windows are locked doors are locked she's gonna
look on her calendar back to the day where like this podcast started and she's
gonna be like this would be like a year from now she's gonna be like first of
all fuck chris podcast she's like you got like padded locks you know like the
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blinds over the windows there's like booby traps everywhere you know there's
mines in the front yard like Like there's a map.
It's like, she's like, God damn it.
So they did the luminol testing and the place lit up like the fucking,
like it was Vegas. Like there was stuff everywhere.
And so they're like, oh, well, the problem is they went to get that stuff tested
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and they couldn't get a definite report back because it was so old.
And I guess like the labs took so long. So they just couldn't get any definite
answer. So even though they knew there was blood splatter for all they knew,
I mean, these two idiots could have been like, yeah, we slaughtered a fucking pig in here.
Like they couldn't get any real proof from that, which is fucking unfortunate.
So they complete their search and the next day, Jason and Kelly haul ass.
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They just leave. They go back to Indiana and they kind of lay low for a little bit.
They know this investigation is going on. They're not under arrest,
so they can do whatever they want.
But the cops are definitely going to keep working on this case and seeing what's going on.
Well, while they're gone, this gives the cops a chance to kind of talk to their neighbors.
And some of the neighbors do report hearing that you know around the time that chris went missing.
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That they would hear like power tools and shit
going off at like 2 a.m in the morning yeah and in
just loud as shit and then it would
go on for days and it would always start around 1 or 2 a.m and
then not long after that like they started
like having these big ass burn piles which in
that area was was common like sure yeah yeah
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now in their defense was there any new furniture in
the house is there any kind of new i mean power tools
there's nothing like no no no
bookshelves nothing that would know nothing okay that
no addition no shed okay just just checking
just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt you know i mean they were trying they'd said they
were like oh we're doing renovations they were like where okay first of
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all your house sucks like what the fuck renovate that motherfucker
just tear it down so sorry so
so then they start seeing these these big burn
piles which again not a big deal but the neighbor said that that
shit smelled so fucking bad
to the point that one of the guys comes over and this
guy's on a documentary that i watch and i'll i'll link
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that later but this guy was funny because he comes over
and he's like hey i've been living here my whole life burn piles
are a cool thing what nasty ass shit are
y'all burning because it stinks and they're
like oh it doesn't smell that bad does it
and he's like okay he's like that's fine and i think this guy.
Was just so impatient he goes how about this i'll just call the
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cops and have them come out here and look at it and she's like
oh no we'll put it out he's like yeah i know bye like
get the fuck out of here you know he's like he's like a real like
i can imagine this he's probably lived there for like 40 years and he's
just tired all all the time and piss it off he's like like i'm
not dealing with your shit lady like just get the fuck out of here i like
that he didn't actually care enough to call the cops though that's good no
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i don't want to you do whatever the fuck you want as long as i don't have to
smell this that's good so fucking hey dude he goes back and pops his beer yeah
he's like exactly took care of that hate everybody here it's the first time
he showed his face in the neighborhood at all.
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So then they say that, you know, a couple of days after this,
because, you know, the Jason and Kelly didn't really have much friends around there.
They had the two across the street that they got high with all the time, I guess.
And they said that, you know, later on that week.
They came over and said, hey, guys, like, we're sorry about all the noise and
the power tools and all that shit.
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Once you come over, we're having a cookout and we just want to kind of make amends.
And they want to, like, you know, clear the air and just get on everybody's good side again.
So the neighbors go over there and they say that they remember that there was
about $200 worth of, like, barbecue.
And there was only four people. So they were like, oh, shit. Like, okay. Red carpet.
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All right. Yeah. They're like, oh, thanks, man. man, like he really tried to make amends. Right.
And so they get down and started to eat and they noticed that the,
like they were doing burgers on the grill and they go to like grab a burger.
And the one guy was like, Oh, cool. You know, like, what is this?
Because he said, it looked like lobster meat.
It was just a weird kind of texture. And Jason tells him, he's like, Oh yeah.
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You know, back when I lived in Indiana, I was a butcher and my specialty was was exotic meats.
And they're like, Oh, Oh, okay.
Exotic meat, Indiana guy. That makes sense.
So they try to eat like some of this lobster meat burger and they're like, no, I can't.
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And actually later on, they interview the guy that, that went across the street
and like hung out with them and was at the barbecue.
And this dude is still not recovered.
Because he is pretty sure he ate a person.
He said he's convinced of it. He's like lost all this weight.
He's got nightmares. Like he doesn't eat meat anymore.
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Shit. Yeah. Like I'm like, I mean, I say that, but then I'm like,
I would eat bacon like the next day. The next day.
I'd be like, wow, that sucks. Hey, Chris, this is actually human bacon.
But it's so good. It's so good.
I mean i don't know which way to do okay so what what's making the fire smell.
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Because like, my thought is like, is this, is this a human?
Like, yeah. If you're burning like a human body, I'm sure it's not going to
smell great. Then what are they serving then?
I don't, if that's human, like how big was Chris?
I mean, well, I, so I think, and you'll see that, unfortunately,
you're going to see a lot during some of these cases that we cover that people
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have this, this misnomer about like, oh, if I want to get rid of a body, I can burn it.
That's not actually true. Like it's not going to just go away like that.
And, and I think they underestimate how long and how hot a fire has to be to
actually get rid of a body like that.
And then if you think about it, they were trying for a couple of days and you
know, the drunk neighbor, I'm saying he's drunk guys.
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I don't even know if this guy drinks, but I'm like slandering this guy.
The neighbor comes out and he's like hey it stinks stop
burning it so then that's probably when they went to like okay let's
go to you know this other idea and they were like let's
can turn this guy into hamburgers you know okay all right all right so it just
wasn't working on first attempt and then okay yeah probably first or second
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or third so they're like let's cut them up and serve them which is just horrible
when you think about it i'm just trying to think what What would taste like lobster meat on me?
If I'm looking on me, you know, like, I don't know. Is it like bicep?
Like inner thigh? I don't know what you're eating.
I'm going to pretend that I'd be like, I'd be like a good fillet.
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You know what I'm saying?
I'd be like, I'm not going to be no fucking flank steak. I'm going to be,
you know, maybe a ribeye. I think I know.
I've been trying to work out. So let's go fillet.
Feel free. Like if, you know, if, if I don't make it through this podcast,
like for some reason, I just have like a, just an incident and I fall out.
Like you can cook me up, man. I'm fine. Oh, thanks bud.
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Just sharing the love. So dinner's on Chris, everyone literally.
Can you put that like in your will? Just like a living will.
I want Brad to eat me. Just make sure you're up on your antibiotics, my guy. Oh, my God.
So this happens, and they're still in Indiana, and the cops are searching the
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house, and they find this book, this fictional book that Jason wrote,
and it's called Where Monsters Hide.
And the book basically describes Jason as this hunter.
Hunter you know he's like hunting his prey and i'm
like bitch your back doesn't work like you're not hunting shit so stop it
why it's a fiction right exactly so he's
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and the book was such a like match up
to the the situation they were in because
the prey was obviously chris the way
it was worded and he mentions like unwanted guests
in in in this hunt probably talking about the
cops and then he mentions like how his wife saves the
day and then even throws in there was a fucking cookout after
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so it's oh my god no way right yeah like first of all dude like why are you
even writing that shit like that's not even a you're not creative for that like
you're copying whatever the fuck y'all did so good job buddy the the hero mason
and the the bad prey priss,
and his wife kelly dickren like the exotic Indiana butcher.
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Cooking up squirrels and shit.
So, so at this point now, Chief Rizzo, she's like I said, she's the one leading
the case and she sees this.
She's trying to get enough evidence to really kind of like lock this case down.
But, you know, I think at this time they're not like trying to just go in and
make an arrest when they don't have enough to solidify, you know, a verdict.
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So she kind of says, OK, she's like, we're going to keep working on this.
She has some private investigators helping them. and she says i just want to
sit on it for a minute and like that's what she says and then uh,
you can't set yourself up for that because i
was like she wants to sit on it and see where it goes i was like set yourself
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up for your own that's what she said joke dude does it say that in the notes
please just just say it in the notes insert that's what she said right here
like come on it doesn't but i'll put it now so just out like you know throwing myself the ball,
dude that's like if we were playing one-on-one basketball and i'm just like
passing myself the ball and you're standing over there you're like can you just pass it to me.
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And i'm just fucking like knocking off the guy's back and shooting oh god but
she pretty much is sure she's like she has a gut feeling she's like this is
Because they're scared, they know we're on to them, something's going to happen.
I know they're going to play their cards the wrong way, and I'm going to get them.
So February 2016, Kelly dials 911, and she is freaking out, and she's saying
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that her husband Jason is no longer breathing.
And that's where we're going to stop. Oh!
Yeah, because that's where shit is about to get weird. Yeah.
So it's been honestly pretty weird so far i don't
oh yeah but this is you're gonna find out the whole
fucking curtain comes down and and they
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show their cards real quick like it's like
you think about like the top of roller coaster like you know you
go through that first dip what we just did and then you go back up again
you're like oh okay well that wasn't bad and then now it's gonna
be like a five minute like twist and turns and your neck is
like hurting and you're like oh i'm too old for this shit you know
you got the the unbalance in your ears is all all fucked up and
wow you put a lot of credit in your storytelling sir uh
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you're gonna be whipped around and throwing up your neck's gonna hurt you're
gonna come i'm telling you you're gonna come to the sound of my voice everybody
put your diapers on because it's gonna be a slop fest down there put your diapers
on you might shit your pants too.
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That's amazing yeah man so we're gonna we're gonna
part two this uh this is our first two part but i just couldn't you
know i could not possibly get all this in there i knew i
had like a hard stop coming up and i was like you know what i i
gotta split it up because i don't want to rush through the rest
of this and and you want to do the story justice right got
to man you got to so well in that
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case we should probably do our normal housekeeping and mention that i think
number one i'm i'm gonna no foreplay number one right now if you laughed if
you learned something about the fact that chris knows a lot about how bodies
don't burn very well i think,
just not common knowledge i think you should go right to wherever you're listening
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and make sure that you leave a review.
Yes, leave a review. Yeah, absolutely. Call the cops after. But first,
yeah, because you don't want to get distracted and then be like,
oh, I forgot to leave a review.
And then you know you're not going to after that because the kids are crying and...
Have to finish writing up your you're gonna murder your spouse's
lover contract and you
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if that's all you can do leave a comment because
honestly we've been like sharing people's comments.
I feel like at some point we should do like shout outs to the people that are doing
this but like we know we know the people that are
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moist you know anytime somebody slide
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in the day i'm like like my hand
slide don't slide anywhere near me keep your dms
i don't know no i don't
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don't want it near me brad's like type me
up a message and shoot it via email to me
to my inbox thank
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you yes per my last email yeah and speaking weekend of emails here no evil show
at gmail.com feel free to write anything who cares we don't even care like just
write anything like fan mail hate mail doesn't matter it doesn't hurt our reviews
so chris you don't know shit i burned a body in four hours i'll be like all right.
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Blocked delete block report.
Oh and are you having a barbecue soon,
So, yeah, that's all it. Just a little interaction goes a long way.
And then we'll be doing part two of this this week. So this one will be out.
You guys will hear this on Monday. And then you will hear part two next Monday.
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Again, if you want to hear it early, as soon as we record part two,
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So that'll be your early access. You can go on there and kind of,
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Give us all the love there, too. We appreciate it. And, you know,
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And there is an episode. There's an episode that you have not heard.
If you're listening to this now, there's an episode that you have not heard
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on Patreon. That's true.
Oh, and it's, it's a good one. It's very good. It's probably one of our best. Quote unquote good.
Yeah. It's horrific. Oh no. Yeah. Don't. It's very good. Yeah. Quality wise.
Yeah. Quality. Top notch.
Yeah. Chris. Chef's kiss.
Oh, chef's kiss right now. This with the barbecue. It's weird.
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don't feel like you're just like paying for nothing so because it does cost
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also that you know you don't get the quality content there it's only 79.99 a month,
i'm joking it's like five bucks it's not like no it's like a coffee but see
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it for five i'm just saying yeah yeah a little A little sales tactic there.
All right, guys. So everybody, make sure you stay tuned.
See us next week. And we will finish out this devil woman in Michigan,
Kelly Cochran, Kelly Cock, and Jason, her frumpy, frumpy husband,
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who apparently just passed away on this episode.
So if you guys want to find out what happens next.
Music.
I'm chris i'm brad and this is here no evil increasing the level of fun by increasing
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Music.
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What's up guys so we have the case
today is the devil woman of michigan otherwise
known as kelly cochran otherwise known as an asshole
and this is going to be a two-parter we're
going to cut you you guys off right we're gonna
get you all worked up and then we're gonna leave and you're
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just gonna have to wait around for the next one to come out this week i feel
like that's is that like your mo and everything though like yeah it is i'm gonna
get you all worked up and then i'm gonna leave bye like you know probably yeah
that's probably my mo and a lot of things actually,
like oh i think he's uh he's gonna settle down and pop the question it's like
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ghost no i'm just kidding you hear that ladies.
What's the one guy said he was like uh he's talking about like it's so convenient
he was like oh you know i like my last relationship was really good it lasted
like six years he said but the best way to get out of it send her a text hey
good run six years send block see you.
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It's like what the fuck that's hardcore all right man so let's set the scene here so,
october all right 2014 chris reagan
is reported missing by his long time on and off again girlfriend terry o'donnell
what started this was the day that he was supposed to be completing a routine
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drug test for a new job that he had pretty much you know all but locked up in
north carolina you know,
he was supposed to call her right after this drug test.
Well, she didn't hear from him. They were really close friends.
You know, she knew he was excited about this move.
So she started to get concerned. She started texting him, calling him.
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And what got her worried is this is not like him.
He wouldn't just not respond to a text. He would not answer a phone call.
And they have a, like their relationship goes back years and they were very close.
And what the final straw was, one of his co-workers actually mentioned to Terry
that he not only hadn't shown up for work in a couple of days,
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but that he had seen his car parked at this park and ride for several days and it hasn't moved.
So a little bit about chris reagan this is all taking place in iron river michigan
and chris reagan was retired air force he's 53 dude was like super you know outdoorsy athletic,
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love to you know kayaking and
bicycling and any of that like kind of stuff that you
know those kind of active people do that's kind of jerks yeah
yeah kind of assholes you know rub it
in yeah i do a podcast while
i climb eight mountains oh but do
you do a podcast do you do a podcast though
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yeah exactly i think we're still even so
i've got to sit up straight so which i don't are you
reclined are you like reclined just holding the mic and i am dude i'm just like
chilled back i'm just sitting legs up like what up bitches that is not how i
pictured you so this changes a lot i'm actually more uncomfortable doing this with you you should be.
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Just wearing my gray sweats just you know oh oh that's funny so um i'm definitely
just my posture is bad but,
so this area in iron river michigan is like it's part of the upper peninsula,
and something i thought was funny was that they call people oopers up there,
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oopers or youpers or i think it's oopers which i just thought was a funny fucking word but
well you have a personal vendetta against michigan anyways don't you
the whole state uh yeah so the whole fucking
state i know we haven't pissed off enough people in the world yet with this
podcast but michigan's going down with them because now now great if you're
a michigan if you're in michigan but you hate the wolverines like i'll fuck
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with you like you're cool but yeah i just i don't like the wolverines i don't
like the stupid colors i don't like any of it big ohio state guy yeah Yes.
I was going to say, the way most people feel about Ohio, you feel about Michigan.
Go fuck yourself. Nice.
That was good. You hit me for the rope-a-dope just now.
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You're like, hey, look at my hand over here. And then slap me with the other one. It's a dick move.
So as I said, totally opposite of us, this guy was super outdoorsy.
And that's kind of what attracted to him to move to this area.
Because it was just very nature, wilderness, a bunch of stuff like that to do.
And also Terry O'Donnell lived there. And like I said, they had been on and
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off, but lately they were kind of working it out.
They were kind of getting to a more serious relationship.
Now, when he got up there and they started spending more time together.
Terry started suspecting that there was some issues with the relationship.
I mean, she really loved Chris. She was trying to do the right things with him
and make this thing work,
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but she kind of had a suspicion that maybe he was you know like hoeing around
like he was you know seeing other women on the side you said he's 53 huh he's
fit he's a dude he's healthy okay he's an outdoors guy yeah all right i mean
good for you chris like great job,
and she was right i mean she found him you know talking to other women so they
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ended it but they stayed friends because she was like whatever i mean when you're
that age like you know i don't think you get pissed off about it as much.
You're just like, all right, bye, but I'll see you for coffee tomorrow.
So with all this happening, this is where Chris decides he wants to make another move.
He's like, yeah, if it ended with Terry and there's just really no point in being up here.
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And so he decides he's going to look for another job and he finds one in Asheville, North Carolina.
And one of the other good things about this was he was actually going to be
going down there and him and his kind of son that he had a good relationship
with, but he was trying to make it a better one. Like they had kind of fallen off.
They were going to move in together. Like they were going to live in Asheville
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together while he got this new job.
And they were just going to kind of spend time, like I said,
just going out and doing outdoor shit and be a bros.
So when Terry reports him missing, the police go right to work.
So they head over to the apartment and this apartment is just disgusting.
There's shit everywhere. It's just kind of in disarray. And Terry mentioned
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that this is not like him.
He's super organized. He's super peculiar about where everything goes.
He's like a planned out guy.
She was like, this doesn't make any sense. Things would be where they're supposed
to be, especially with this big move coming up. It didn't make any sense.
There was also the situation with that car that was at that parking stop yeah
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i was gonna say some i didn't want to like interrupt your intro yeah go ahead
they said they said three days,
yeah at least several yeah several days yeah like he had seen it there and i
guess he kept you know past it he was like what the fuck the car's still there right,
and he's just like that's weird you know keep driving keep driving like i'm like,
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weird anyway.
Turns the taylor swift up on the radio that's right that's right god same bro so,
so he so they go to check out the car and they see some stuff in there that
you know kind of again makes them a little sketched out like they see his knee
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brace he had just gotten a surgery,
and the doctor had this knee brace for him that he was supposed to wear at all
times like he had I had to keep this fucking thing on.
And then they see a post-it note with directions to a house.
You know, it just basically was like, go here, turn left here, go like 400 feet.
And I just want to say like, this is 2014. I mean,
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who the fuck is giving like post-it note directions yeah what is
you know but then i'm like well maybe this place is so far
off the beaten path that like gps is like
nah dude i'm not i'm not doing that i'm not
going there you can go there i'm not going there well you know i will say that's
that's some country folk shit though right true like yeah head on down to the
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old bilo it's so go to the bilo no it's the old bilo so it's not there anymore
so like what It's just a vacant building,
but it's the old, so go to the old bylaw and then at the old oak tree,
the big oak tree, the one that got hit by lightning 20 years ago,
you're going to take a right.
Now I know you didn't live here and you may not have been born yet,
but the one that got hit by lightning, that was all over the news. Take it right there.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's some country shit right there. So, you know,
that, that one where little Timmy fell off the branch. Remember he lost his ankle up.
They're like, who the fuck is Timmy? Oh, you know, Timmy. Yeah.
Okay, man. You know, Timmy. You know, Timmy. They're going to tell you that
you know him. Until you just say yes.
It's not even a bylaw anymore. It's like a sex shop.
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So they start talking to some people at work, right?
Chief Rizzo goes, you know, she's on the case. And so she goes to the employer
and kind of gets some information about Chris.
And Chris's reputation at work was really well.
I mean, he was a badass. People said he was a hard worker, took charge.
Leadership qualities right off the rip.
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Nobody had anything bad to say about him and but what they did mention from
some people is that he seemed to have a very friendly relationship with another
co-worker her name was kelly cochran i've heard this name before yeah kelly
at the beginning of the episode,
shocker i got a bad feeling about this kelly lady i don't know why i don't know
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i don't know No, maybe because her last name is Cock.
That doesn't help.
So when they look at the directions on the post-it note, I know,
big surprise, it goes to Kelly's house.
Not only Kelly's house, but Kelly and her husband's house. Yeah.
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So let's do a little background on her. So Kelly grew up in Hobart, Indiana.
Cock from Ho? ho the cock from hobart kelly
cock grew up in ho and kelly
crock and i'm gonna call her kelly cock so she was
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a pain in the ass even as a kid man like she her parents had
a hard time with her she did a lot of drugs she spent some
time in juvie and it seemed
like just randomly one day you know when she was
older she decided to go all right i'm gonna get my
shit together i'm gonna go to school like it just like clicked so i
mean that's cool you know yeah and so
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she went to purdue and she studied psychology and sociology
and then i think forensics and that's
also where she started dating her current husband jason
now them two have known each other
their whole lives but it wasn't like they were real close they just
you know lived in hobart indiana so i'm sure you fucking knew everybody
i don't know how big that place is but yeah it doesn't sound like you know
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new york city but so but
they didn't really they weren't close and then even when they got together
you know people were saying like that doesn't make any sense
like we don't really understand but hey whatever if you're if you're happy you're
happy i don't understand a lot of people's fucking relationships but what was
it what was it specifically that they didn't understand like they just thought
they were different like he was very and when i say this it's not going to seem
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Like that is a reason for people not to get married,
but they said he was very like quiet and kind of passive.
And, and you know, she was very like.
Domineering and a go-getter and which i to me i'm like well it makes sense you
don't want two people the same kind of personality but yeah i i obviously don't
know either one of them so
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they just everybody just thought it just didn't they're like ah would have never
guessed that so okay all right and you see that i mean that happens you know yeah it does all the time.
So well apparently they both did have something in common
they were fucking weird because when they got
married i gotta they make i
gotta tell you they make a marriage pact on the night of their wedding okay
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that sounds nice sounds loving exactly like
you're like hey like i love you you love me we're gonna be together
for the rest of our lives and and they take it to
a whole nother level okay they say they say
if either one of us have an affair the other
person gets to kill that person that
was the third right so if you
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cheat on me i get to murder that
girl or guy that you cheated on me
with like that was their pact and i
feel like that should involve the third person though right
i mean that's hardly a pact between you two
that's like you know like as you're being murdered you're
like well why could you
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have shown me me the contract first like they're i i
feel like there's got to be some legal precedence for me in this
like let me should tell that person ahead
of time yes coming over oh by
the way yes sign this paper yeah there's
a little we have a writer there's a writer please i'm just curious of how like
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how that conversation comes up like they you know they have the wedding they
throw the cake in each other's mouths they say goodbye to all their friends
they don't have that dumb shit and then and they're in the hotel and they're
hanging out or wherever the fuck they went.
And they're just like, Oh, love you. I love you too. And then he's like, so babe, by the way.
Can i kill somebody if you just like you just yes just comes
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up and she's like oh my god yes and she just
goes and then they have ew right well see i was picturing
it i was picturing it like post coitus like post nut
clarity you know and you're like smoking they're
smoking a cigarette in bed and he's just like that
was just that was so wild babe like if you ever do
that with somebody else can i kill oh okay okay
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okay i can see that yeah don't smoke
kids that's bad that's the worst part
of this episode also don't kill people but because when
you're smoking you're killing yourself and that's true which i
wish they would have smoked a pack of cigarettes like right there like 18
packs so so college didn't
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work out for them they ended up starting a pool business where they would like
go in in repair and fix people's pools and stuff like that and And this lasted
about 10 years until the manual labor kind of took a toll on Jason and he started
having like severe back pain.
And this kind of really impaired his life in a lot of ways. Like he couldn't,
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he couldn't work anymore.
She had to kind of, you know, foot the bill and do all the stuff and make the money.
And he also couldn't have sex anymore. The pain was just too much.
So i don't think that pain could ever be too much
for me i don't think i would ever like yeah limit
the limit does not exist that's not a thing but my fucking leg off i'm gonna
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find a way um does that make it easier i think so yeah that's less less in the
way of your junk you know that's right man it's called uh mobility i'm just hopping around just.
So hold on stay right there hold on let me hop
over here i didn't mean to interrupt but
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that just did not compute like that just fried my brain like they're
like i'm sure there's some murders coming up and i'll have to wrap my noggin
around that but like i'm too much paid for sex
like no actually i want it more when i'm in pain like when
i'm sick that's right that's when i'm like the most you know
i don't get it like my wife i shouldn't be talking about my wife
like like she's sick i'm like leave her alone
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don't go near her if she doesn't feel well don't go near like
me if i'm sick i'm just like pants off in bed like whatever you can do just
do it bring me back to life i'll be here in between puking just let's see if we can make this work.
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Like aren't you yeah exactly yeah there's nothing the pain but you know that's
what he said he said it was the pain i would more so say it's just you know
if you look at her it's probably more that but she's rough too but that's the
pain huh that's the pain he's like oh my back hurts forever oh.
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But like so if if this is true because now there was reports like her dad had
said like you know he's a fucking liar like i saw him lifting some heavy shit
like he's acting like he's hurt he's just an asshole but if if it is true and
if he was in so much pain that he couldn't work,
and also couldn't have sex and they're like okay like you're gonna be depressed you know like.
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That's probably you know i mean i
know i have that like it's part of my identity working in sex so
like if he took both those away i would be fucking confused so
this guy if if he was telling the truth he
was going through it well but his
dad said he or you know her dad said he's a fucking liar so so now
they decide this is when they decide to move out to iron river
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michigan and part of the reason was they weed was
legal out there and they thought that would help with his pain but some
other people said that there were some rumors that maybe another
reason they moved is because kelly started having affairs so
they were like let's move to a place where there's nobody you
know so who knows and he
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and he didn't he didn't kill any of the people per the
pack not not that we know of huh so maybe
that was why they moved or maybe they did and maybe that's why they had to leave
you know okay well that's okay there you go i just
didn't know like how legally binding the contract was like if
their marriage would dissolve if he didn't kill them them yeah i don't know
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if they had that notarized in like a present like i think it was like that kind
of bad all right they timed it up to the like legal zoom and they're like the
lawyers on the on the fucking website are like are you fucking kidding me.
Delete so so after the cops find these
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directions they they head on over to the house they're
like like let's let's go ask them what's going on so the cops
knock on the door and jason answers and the first
thing they're like hey you know we're looking into the situation
with a missing person you mind if we ask you some questions yada
yada yada he said yeah sure well they ask if his wife kelly's home he's like
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no she'll be back later and i could tell her you stopped by and they're like
all right well is there anybody else in there he's like no and they're like
oh okay well as soon As soon as he says that Kelly comes walking down the stairs
and she's like, Hey guys, what's up?
And so the, the cops are like, all right, strike two, three, four.
So they, they ask her, they're like, Hey,
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why would your husband fucking lie to our face and say you're not here you know
what what's going on right that's a good that's a good opening question yeah
yeah like hi how are you why the fuck is your weird looking husband lying to us.
So you know what i noticed man is like as i get into these stories the more
i start hating these people i comment on how shitty they are like i just oh
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i'm sure that's natural yeah yeah i'm I'm like, oh man,
like, you know, I would never say something like this about just a random person.
But like, if, if you're, if you're in this story, it's cause you did something
horrible and now you're a frumpy fuck.
Like, I don't like you. Like, I'm just going to insult everything I can.
And it's just like subconsciously happening. I'm like, yeah, you piece of shit.
So no, I get it. Like, because I'm thinking, I think the same thing as I'm,
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you know, as I'm listening, you know, and hearing about these people and I'm
like, you know, I would never like make fun of someone's appearance.
Like, that's just not okay. know right like you know whether whether you
think they're overweight or their eyes are too far apart or
something like that you're like that's just that's that's who
you are like that's my eyes real quickly checks the
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mirror with a ruler just picked up
my phone real quick like but yeah there's
definitely something like as soon as it's like you you deserve this right right
there's this you know that you you can't get enough of what we're gonna give
you right oh yeah yeah and it has nothing to do with appearance really or anything
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it's just like you just deserve to be
made fun of that's yeah i mean these motherfuckers could say like you know.
Like there could be a part where they're like oh you know jason played piano
i'd be like of course he did piece of shit like i i love
the piano i think it was amazing but if he played it i'd
be be like piano's fucking stupid couldn't play
something cool you know so it's just it's perspective right
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it's who we're talking about clarinet playing motherfucker yeah yeah
you get a fucking like got like a fucking you
know nobel prize i'd be like big deal dude you know
couldn't get a grammy you know so yeah so
yeah so that's i was like i just had to point that out because i'm like man i'm i
just keep going in on people's looks so yeah no i understand
completely understand understand so with
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the lion and and you know already off
to a bad start they're like okay they're like won't you guys just come
on down to the station and let's let's separate you two and ask y'all
some questions so they do that
they get them on the station they get them in separate rooms and they
just start you know kind of like just trying to get information you
know have you do you know chris reagan have you seen him blah blah blah well
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kelly was fucking ice cold she was like yeah you know like i know he is we had
an affair you know my husband knows about it we have an open marriage i mean
she was just like yeah yeah i know he is like we were banging on the rig.
Wow yeah she was very cool about it and so they're like okay so then they start interviewing jason,
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The interview was a thousand times different. He sits down and just almost within
like five seconds just starts crying and saying that he's got severe anxiety
and talks about his back hurts and how he's went to a mental hospital and how he was suicidal.
I don't even think they asked him a fucking question. How do you say nothing pertinent to the case?
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They're like, hi, Jason. He's like, my fucking back hurts. He starts crying.
They're like, my dog died when I was 14. like gee uh we are not your therapist
jason we are here to ask you questions can i just get a hug before this or like i don't work,
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oh man yeah he just starts losing it so they they both declined a lie detector
test and and you know but the cops are like okay we're kind of on these motherfuckers
like something's going going on there well they get a co-worker that comes forward
this guy's name is eric erickson,
and nice original name huh god that's a damn best name you would almost think that's fake michigan.
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That's that's the name that you like give when you're like underage drinking
and the cops like show up and ask for your id like what's your name sir it's
eric do you have a last name eric,
erickson erickson erickson jr stevens
yeah the third exactly so
one of the things that the that they asked kelly when they were interrogating
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her was like they're like hey do you know where this like uh park and ride is
and she's like no she's like i don't know where that's at she's like actually
i don't even know what that is like i've never fucking heard of it she's like
i don't even know what a park ride is i don't know who you are like i don't
even know what state i'm in like she She just goes in. She's like, I don't know shit.
Well, which is funny because they're suspecting that, you know,
somehow Chris's car had to get back to that park and ride. And they're kind
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of on the thought that maybe she took it back.
And when this guy, Eric Erickson, comes forward, they ask, well,
you know, how do you know Kelly?
And he's like, oh, you know, we've been sleeping together because Kelly just gets around, bro.
So, yeah. And he said, oh, yeah, we go to this spot over across from the park and ride to hook up.
So they're like, OK, bitch.
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So now they know that she's she's lying okay they're acting sketchy they're already lying,
And, you know, they say, we're going to go get a warrant where we have enough.
We're going to get the warrant. We're going to go check their house out.
They roll up on them. And the first thing they ask are like,
hey, is there any weapons in the house? And Kelly says, no.
Well, of course, there fucking is. There's a ton of shit, right?
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There's there's a 22 fucking gun loaded under the TV.
There's like a shit ton of knives and swords and like medieval style weapons.
It's like it's like a Dungeons and Dragons lair that also has a gun.
It's really fucking weird so they
searched this house for about 12 hours okay they're just tearing
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it apart well in the meantime jason and
kelly go across the street and they're like staying with their neighbors and
the neighbors later on reported that when they were over there that they were
fucking nervous as shit they were like jason was beat red freaking out twitchy
like Like they were like something he was worried about something.
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One of the things they did too, is they did what we call like luminol testing.
And you know what that is? I think we talked about that before.
Oh, maybe. Is it like looking for blood or gunpowder or is it blood?
Okay. Good job. All right. Good job. I'm learning.
That's the best part about this show is that not only do I get horrified, I also learn.
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Not only do i just have a
darker view of life but yes i learned about young blood
can i get a little off track here just real quick
i'm gonna throw in that there was one night i don't
think i've i've mentioned this in the like the previous episode but
there's one night i'm like i'm going to bed wife is still downstairs she's like
i'll be up in a little bit and she comes upstairs and i was like i wonder i
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was like i i made sure i was like you locked up you you're in charge of locking
up turn everything off tv whatever she's like all right cool she comes upstairs
she's like half asleep. I'm like, I'm just going to go check.
So I go downstairs and I check. Fucking front door is not locked.
I was like, this is the biggest one. How did you miss this one?
We have two doors and you were...
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At 50 right now that's an f minus
so i locked that door and then i come
back upstairs i'm like i think she had the windows open today
so i go back downstairs and i check there's like two windows that are
not locked and i lock those motherfuckers up
too and i it's just a little conversation you know it's like 5 30 in the morning
i'm just like hey you know i don't want to start a whole thing but my mind is
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full of murderers right now you need to lock the goddamn damn front door all
right this is just it's not a game this is the way we do things right now yes.
Windows are locked doors are locked she's gonna
look on her calendar back to the day where like this podcast started and she's
gonna be like this would be like a year from now she's gonna be like first of
all fuck chris podcast she's like you got like padded locks you know like the
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blinds over the windows there's like booby traps everywhere you know there's
mines in the front yard like Like there's a map.
It's like, she's like, God damn it.
So they did the luminol testing and the place lit up like the fucking,
like it was Vegas. Like there was stuff everywhere.
And so they're like, oh, well, the problem is they went to get that stuff tested
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and they couldn't get a definite report back because it was so old.
And I guess like the labs took so long. So they just couldn't get any definite
answer. So even though they knew there was blood splatter for all they knew,
I mean, these two idiots could have been like, yeah, we slaughtered a fucking pig in here.
Like they couldn't get any real proof from that, which is fucking unfortunate.
So they complete their search and the next day, Jason and Kelly haul ass.
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They just leave. They go back to Indiana and they kind of lay low for a little bit.
They know this investigation is going on. They're not under arrest,
so they can do whatever they want.
But the cops are definitely going to keep working on this case and seeing what's going on.
Well, while they're gone, this gives the cops a chance to kind of talk to their neighbors.
And some of the neighbors do report hearing that you know around the time that chris went missing.
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That they would hear like power tools and shit
going off at like 2 a.m in the morning yeah and in
just loud as shit and then it would
go on for days and it would always start around 1 or 2 a.m and
then not long after that like they started
like having these big ass burn piles which in
that area was was common like sure yeah yeah
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now in their defense was there any new furniture in
the house is there any kind of new i mean power tools
there's nothing like no no no
bookshelves nothing that would know nothing okay that
no addition no shed okay just just checking
just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt you know i mean they were trying they'd said they
were like oh we're doing renovations they were like where okay first of
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all your house sucks like what the fuck renovate that motherfucker
just tear it down so sorry so
so then they start seeing these these big burn
piles which again not a big deal but the neighbor said that that
shit smelled so fucking bad
to the point that one of the guys comes over and this
guy's on a documentary that i watch and i'll i'll link
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that later but this guy was funny because he comes over
and he's like hey i've been living here my whole life burn piles
are a cool thing what nasty ass shit are
y'all burning because it stinks and they're
like oh it doesn't smell that bad does it
and he's like okay he's like that's fine and i think this guy.
Was just so impatient he goes how about this i'll just call the
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cops and have them come out here and look at it and she's like
oh no we'll put it out he's like yeah i know bye like
get the fuck out of here you know he's like he's like a real like
i can imagine this he's probably lived there for like 40 years and he's
just tired all all the time and piss it off he's like like i'm
not dealing with your shit lady like just get the fuck out of here i like
that he didn't actually care enough to call the cops though that's good no
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i don't want to you do whatever the fuck you want as long as i don't have to
smell this that's good so fucking hey dude he goes back and pops his beer yeah
he's like exactly took care of that hate everybody here it's the first time
he showed his face in the neighborhood at all.
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So then they say that, you know, a couple of days after this,
because, you know, the Jason and Kelly didn't really have much friends around there.
They had the two across the street that they got high with all the time, I guess.
And they said that, you know, later on that week.
They came over and said, hey, guys, like, we're sorry about all the noise and
the power tools and all that shit.
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Once you come over, we're having a cookout and we just want to kind of make amends.
And they want to, like, you know, clear the air and just get on everybody's good side again.
So the neighbors go over there and they say that they remember that there was
about $200 worth of, like, barbecue.
And there was only four people. So they were like, oh, shit. Like, okay. Red carpet.
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All right. Yeah. They're like, oh, thanks, man. man, like he really tried to make amends. Right.
And so they get down and started to eat and they noticed that the,
like they were doing burgers on the grill and they go to like grab a burger.
And the one guy was like, Oh, cool. You know, like, what is this?
Because he said, it looked like lobster meat.
It was just a weird kind of texture. And Jason tells him, he's like, Oh yeah.
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You know, back when I lived in Indiana, I was a butcher and my specialty was was exotic meats.
And they're like, Oh, Oh, okay.
Exotic meat, Indiana guy. That makes sense.
So they try to eat like some of this lobster meat burger and they're like, no, I can't.
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And actually later on, they interview the guy that, that went across the street
and like hung out with them and was at the barbecue.
And this dude is still not recovered.
Because he is pretty sure he ate a person.
He said he's convinced of it. He's like lost all this weight.
He's got nightmares. Like he doesn't eat meat anymore.
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Shit. Yeah. Like I'm like, I mean, I say that, but then I'm like,
I would eat bacon like the next day. The next day.
I'd be like, wow, that sucks. Hey, Chris, this is actually human bacon.
But it's so good. It's so good.
I mean i don't know which way to do okay so what what's making the fire smell.
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Because like, my thought is like, is this, is this a human?
Like, yeah. If you're burning like a human body, I'm sure it's not going to
smell great. Then what are they serving then?
I don't, if that's human, like how big was Chris?
I mean, well, I, so I think, and you'll see that, unfortunately,
you're going to see a lot during some of these cases that we cover that people
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have this, this misnomer about like, oh, if I want to get rid of a body, I can burn it.
That's not actually true. Like it's not going to just go away like that.
And, and I think they underestimate how long and how hot a fire has to be to
actually get rid of a body like that.
And then if you think about it, they were trying for a couple of days and you
know, the drunk neighbor, I'm saying he's drunk guys.
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I don't even know if this guy drinks, but I'm like slandering this guy.
The neighbor comes out and he's like hey it stinks stop
burning it so then that's probably when they went to like okay let's
go to you know this other idea and they were like let's
can turn this guy into hamburgers you know okay all right all right so it just
wasn't working on first attempt and then okay yeah probably first or second
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or third so they're like let's cut them up and serve them which is just horrible
when you think about it i'm just trying to think what What would taste like lobster meat on me?
If I'm looking on me, you know, like, I don't know. Is it like bicep?
Like inner thigh? I don't know what you're eating.
I'm going to pretend that I'd be like, I'd be like a good fillet.
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You know what I'm saying?
I'd be like, I'm not going to be no fucking flank steak. I'm going to be,
you know, maybe a ribeye. I think I know.
I've been trying to work out. So let's go fillet.
Feel free. Like if, you know, if, if I don't make it through this podcast,
like for some reason, I just have like a, just an incident and I fall out.
Like you can cook me up, man. I'm fine. Oh, thanks bud.
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Just sharing the love. So dinner's on Chris, everyone literally.
Can you put that like in your will? Just like a living will.
I want Brad to eat me. Just make sure you're up on your antibiotics, my guy. Oh, my God.
So this happens, and they're still in Indiana, and the cops are searching the
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house, and they find this book, this fictional book that Jason wrote,
and it's called Where Monsters Hide.
And the book basically describes Jason as this hunter.
Hunter you know he's like hunting his prey and i'm
like bitch your back doesn't work like you're not hunting shit so stop it
why it's a fiction right exactly so he's
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and the book was such a like match up
to the the situation they were in because
the prey was obviously chris the way
it was worded and he mentions like unwanted guests
in in in this hunt probably talking about the
cops and then he mentions like how his wife saves the
day and then even throws in there was a fucking cookout after
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so it's oh my god no way right yeah like first of all dude like why are you
even writing that shit like that's not even a you're not creative for that like
you're copying whatever the fuck y'all did so good job buddy the the hero mason
and the the bad prey priss,
and his wife kelly dickren like the exotic Indiana butcher.
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Cooking up squirrels and shit.
So, so at this point now, Chief Rizzo, she's like I said, she's the one leading
the case and she sees this.
She's trying to get enough evidence to really kind of like lock this case down.
But, you know, I think at this time they're not like trying to just go in and
make an arrest when they don't have enough to solidify, you know, a verdict.
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So she kind of says, OK, she's like, we're going to keep working on this.
She has some private investigators helping them. and she says i just want to
sit on it for a minute and like that's what she says and then uh,
you can't set yourself up for that because i
was like she wants to sit on it and see where it goes i was like set yourself
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up for your own that's what she said joke dude does it say that in the notes
please just just say it in the notes insert that's what she said right here
like come on it doesn't but i'll put it now so just out like you know throwing myself the ball,
dude that's like if we were playing one-on-one basketball and i'm just like
passing myself the ball and you're standing over there you're like can you just pass it to me.
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And i'm just fucking like knocking off the guy's back and shooting oh god but
she pretty much is sure she's like she has a gut feeling she's like this is
Because they're scared, they know we're on to them, something's going to happen.
I know they're going to play their cards the wrong way, and I'm going to get them.
So February 2016, Kelly dials 911, and she is freaking out, and she's saying
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that her husband Jason is no longer breathing.
And that's where we're going to stop. Oh!
Yeah, because that's where shit is about to get weird. Yeah.
So it's been honestly pretty weird so far i don't
oh yeah but this is you're gonna find out the whole
fucking curtain comes down and and they
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show their cards real quick like it's like
you think about like the top of roller coaster like you know you
go through that first dip what we just did and then you go back up again
you're like oh okay well that wasn't bad and then now it's gonna
be like a five minute like twist and turns and your neck is
like hurting and you're like oh i'm too old for this shit you know
you got the the unbalance in your ears is all all fucked up and
wow you put a lot of credit in your storytelling sir uh
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you're gonna be whipped around and throwing up your neck's gonna hurt you're
gonna come i'm telling you you're gonna come to the sound of my voice everybody
put your diapers on because it's gonna be a slop fest down there put your diapers
on you might shit your pants too.
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That's amazing yeah man so we're gonna we're gonna
part two this uh this is our first two part but i just couldn't you
know i could not possibly get all this in there i knew i
had like a hard stop coming up and i was like you know what i i
gotta split it up because i don't want to rush through the rest
of this and and you want to do the story justice right got
to man you got to so well in that
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case we should probably do our normal housekeeping and mention that i think
number one i'm i'm gonna no foreplay number one right now if you laughed if
you learned something about the fact that chris knows a lot about how bodies
don't burn very well i think,
just not common knowledge i think you should go right to wherever you're listening
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and make sure that you leave a review.
Yes, leave a review. Yeah, absolutely. Call the cops after. But first,
yeah, because you don't want to get distracted and then be like,
oh, I forgot to leave a review.
And then you know you're not going to after that because the kids are crying and...
Have to finish writing up your you're gonna murder your spouse's
lover contract and you
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I feel like at some point we should do like shout outs to the people that are doing
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moist you know anytime somebody slide
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in the day i'm like like my hand
slide don't slide anywhere near me keep your dms
i don't know no i don't
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so chris you don't know shit i burned a body in four hours i'll be like all right.
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Blocked delete block report.
Oh and are you having a barbecue soon,
So, yeah, that's all it. Just a little interaction goes a long way.
And then we'll be doing part two of this this week. So this one will be out.
You guys will hear this on Monday. And then you will hear part two next Monday.
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Again, if you want to hear it early, as soon as we record part two,
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Give us all the love there, too. We appreciate it. And, you know,
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And there is an episode. There's an episode that you have not heard.
If you're listening to this now, there's an episode that you have not heard
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on Patreon. That's true.
Oh, and it's, it's a good one. It's very good. It's probably one of our best. Quote unquote good.
Yeah. It's horrific. Oh no. Yeah. Don't. It's very good. Yeah. Quality wise.
Yeah. Quality. Top notch.
Yeah. Chris. Chef's kiss.
Oh, chef's kiss right now. This with the barbecue. It's weird.
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So go ahead and be sure. And we'll get more episodes up on that so that you
don't feel like you're just like paying for nothing so because it does cost
money you know you could be a you'd be a non-paying member which awesome but
also that you know you don't get the quality content there it's only 79.99 a month,
i'm joking it's like five bucks it's not like no it's like a coffee but see
(44:10):
you know you thought about it if you thought about it for 79 you better go do
it for five i'm just saying yeah yeah a little A little sales tactic there.
All right, guys. So everybody, make sure you stay tuned.
See us next week. And we will finish out this devil woman in Michigan,
Kelly Cochran, Kelly Cock, and Jason, her frumpy, frumpy husband,
(44:32):
who apparently just passed away on this episode.
So if you guys want to find out what happens next.
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