April 24, 2025 • 32 mins
After joining forces with MAFS Funny, today Lachlan Guertin and Tahlia Pritchard, hosts of Confessions Of A Reality Star, sat down for a big chat with former bride Tori Adams to discuss her sad split from Jack Dunkley for the first time, what she's learned about herself since the show and what's next as she navigates single life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to the Maths Funny Podcast with
Me Joshua Fox, and today, guys, we finally have the
answer about why did Jack and Tory really split up?
Earlier this year. Everyone has been asking, speculating, hoping for
a big drama and something messy, and the real reason
is actually just a little bit sad if I'm being honest,
(00:20):
And it's also quite relatable to a lot of people
who I know will have found themselves in a similar
situation before but maybe struggled to find that courage to say, actually,
this isn't working, like we need to end this relationship.
Tory sat down to top things through with my friends
and journalist Lachlan Gerton and Talia Pritchard, who I said
in the previous episode of this podcast, I bring in
(00:41):
their podcast Confessions of a Reality Start into the Maths
Funny Feed and I kind of set them this first
challenge of can they get to the bottom of you know,
why did they split? Because everyone's asking, but no one knows.
And yeah, instead of me rambling on, here is their
full interview. Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Thank you so much for coming on Confessions of a
Reality Star.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I know it's been a pretty rough start to the
year for you. So we just wanted to ask, how
are you doing.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, look, I'm actually going pretty well. I think that's
like a shock to some people. But you know, I
won't speak for Jack, but we are going pretty pretty good.
We're not the start to the year that everyone thought
we would have, but yeah, we were actually in a
(01:31):
good place.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Okay. I mean we're going to dive into that a
little bit more because it's interesting. I think when couples
break up and the couple says we're still friends, there's
still a lot of love there and everyone's like, okay,
but why did you break up then? And so I
think everyone has a lot of questions. But if we
(01:53):
talk about the fact that it's been a year since
you were on Maths, the last time people saw you
was obviously when you were with I just want to
know how you think the toy that was on Maths
compares to the toy now.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh my god, the toy that was on Maths, or
the toy that was shown on Maths to the toy
that actually existed at that time was already so different.
But then the toy that was on Mass to the
toy that I am today again is so different. I
(02:29):
think I've gone through a lot of growth and a
lot of self development since being on the show. I
think you see life differently once you've been in that
world and you're on camera and you're watching yourself back,
and you're watching how you hold yourself in times of
(02:52):
you know, spiciness, or and you're in the middle of
an argument. Now, Lucky for me, most of my like
offs at the dinner party weren't shown, but you know,
I'm kind of glad that they weren't, because I think
I can be a very reactive, aggressive person. So to
(03:13):
learn the art of just kind of letting it be,
you know, not responding to those comments or just ignoring
or pretending like it's not happening, just being at peace
within yourself and not caring what anyone else thinks. I
think that's probably the biggest thing that I've learned since
(03:36):
being on Maths, is just to not care what people think.
Your existence is going to piss someone off at every point,
and it's just being okay with that. And I think
before Maths, I definitely didn't really care what people thought
of me, but I did have that little bit of like,
(03:59):
oh god, well, people think, and now I'm like, fuck it,
it's going to piss someone off anyway, so I might
just do it. It's going to make me happy, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, it's a new type of like resilience. I imagine correct.
It's probably coming in handy right now too, because I
think the interesting thing for me was like, you guys
didn't have a lot of people championing your relationship when
you ended the show, and then you've proved all the
haters wrong and you have broken up now obviously, but
people are really sad about it. Has that been kind
(04:29):
of confusing for you?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
People are so affected by it, and it's it's not funny,
but it's kind of like you're right, you know. We
came off the show, and to be fair, when we
got our social media back, we had nothing but love.
You know. I think for myself, I was expecting the
most vile messages, but we had nothing but an influx
(04:55):
of love and support and it was so nice. And
we never thought of like we needed to prove our
relationship to anyone.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
We were two people that met on a TV show
who could kind of feel that there was something there
and we were just going to give it a shot,
and we're going to give it the best shot that
we could possibly give it. And when we did end things,
you know, we had ended it for just on a
month before we had announced it. So when we did
(05:27):
announce it, I think people thought that we'd woke up
that morning and were like, you know what, let's break up,
let's announce it to the world, and let's do it
right now. They're like, no, like, is there any way
you guys can fix it? Like what's going on? Like
surely not like and it's like, oh god, guys like
(05:48):
bless and it's beautiful, but simmer down.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
It must be really strange though, because you know, when
you do break up with someone in usual life and
you don't have this kind of following of people, You
tell your friends and your family and then you're pretty
much done and dusted. But now you've got hundreds and
thousands of people kind of demanding to know why you
guys broke up. Do you have anything you kind of
want to say? Just to a general blanket statement.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
People, I think we're expecting this really juicy tea. Someone
did something really nasty to the other person, and it's
just vile and it's just not the case. Effectively, Jack
and I just never got to that point of falling
deeply in love with one another. We have a lot
(06:37):
of love for one another, and we are the very
best of friends, but it never eventuated into anything that
would have us spend the rest of our lives together.
So nothing, nothing happened, no one, you know, did anyone dirty.
We're just two people that are essentially the best of friends.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And is that And I imagine you have to have
a lot of conversations too to get to that point
and get to that understanding. So it's kind of funny
how you touched on earlier, Like it's like you just
woke up one morning and you're like, let's just announce
to everyone that it's over and we haven't tried it whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Correct, Like, there's a lot of conversation, there's a lot
of you know, putting in the hard work. There's a
lot of I guess, getting in those trenches and seeing
is this something that can be? And we did. We
put in the hard work, were put in the hard yards,
the hours, in the conversations and all the rest of it.
And at the end of the day, that was that,
(07:36):
you know, it wasn't from lack of trying. We just
figured out that we're just really great friends.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Was part of that time when you guys work together
for over a year and when you're trying to kind
of make it work and you're thinking is this going
to keep going or you're making those decisions. Is there
a part of you thinking, but everyone wanted us to
break up, let's stay together because of that? Or were
you thinking about the pressure of the public or the
fact that there are no success stories from the show
(08:05):
and you're like, come on, we can do this. Did
you ever think about the public perception in terms of
your relationship? Look?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I did. It was definitely something that I had in
the back of my mind, and it was more of like, oh, God, like,
you know, all of those nasty, vile people that wished
us ill and had all those nasty things to say
about us, and the naysayer is like, we've effectively validated
(08:33):
their shitty comments and those really evil words, and so
in the back of my mind, I was like, oh, like,
I hate that I'm giving these nasty, nasty people this satisfaction.
But at the end of the day, like you know,
they don't know us, and they don't know what we
(08:54):
have been through effectively. And like I said earlier, you're
any decision we make or that I make will piss
someone off. You just can't think about it. So Yeah,
for a split moment, I was like, oh, I don't
want to give these people, you know, like that feeling
of like oh God, like I told you so well,
(09:16):
like oh here we are look at them now, like
we knew this was going to happen. I didn't want
to give those people the satisfaction. But I have bigger
fish to fry. I cannot be worried about that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Absolutely, you uprooted your life from Melbourne to the Gold Coast.
Do you see sel staining in the Gold Coast?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I will probably make my way back home. I miss
so much about Melbourne. I have loved my time up
here on the Gold Coast, but I think I'm a
Melbourne girly through and through. I went back home last
weekend and it just reminded me how much I miss.
(10:02):
You know, my people are there, my circle, my friends,
my family, and I think what I need right now
is to be completely immersed in that.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You've said online that you and Jack still have a
lot of love for each other and you still care
for one another, how would you describe that relationship now?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
The relationship now is, Zach, we're like the best of mates.
We obviously still live in the same apartment, still go
to the gym together. Not not much has changed other
than we are no longer boyfriend and girlfriend. It's probably
very confusing to some people, but not much has changed.
(10:47):
You know, we still hang out all the time. Like
it's strange. I've never been this amicable and this friendly
with an e. But I guess when you grow up,
and you know, you get older, when you're when the
feelings just aren't there and no one's done anything wrong, it's.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Easy, Yeah, for sure. And I guess given everything you
guys went through as well on the show and whatever. Like,
there's so many different pressures being on a show like Maths,
so like, even when you are trying to forge a
romantic connection, like you said, with a virtual stranger, you're
just thrown into so many different challenges and of course
you go into the outside world and then it's about
seeing if you can make it work in that world
(11:32):
without all that kind of echo chamber of experts and
other people getting involved. So and that stuff takes time.
Takes time as.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, absolutely, and like you know, like I said earlier,
we didn't we didn't choose one another, but we could
see that there was something there worth trying for, and
we did. You know, if that spark or that little
niggle wasn't there and I didn't move up to the
Gold Coast, it would the right I would have been
(12:00):
on the wall. But you know, I did uproot my
life because we wanted to give it the best shot.
And that's exactly what we did.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
To switch things up a bit. We thought it would
be fun to get you to react to one of
your most iconic scenes on the show. You basically had
reached your limit with the contestants grilling you about your relationship,
and you kind of shut them down and put them
in their place at the dinner party. Let's play the clip.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh, let's the problem is that you don't feel anything
towards the shop. How I feel? Just trust what I'm
doing is right and if it's not, you can all laugh.
Oh no, if you can all laugh, everyone's probably laughing now.
(12:51):
It's so you know what, I'm going to be real
with you all. After you are wanted this table, maybe
you at the beginning, I would want to spend time
after this experiment. None of you have none none. Hmm, well,
(13:14):
I've stayed true to that.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
We were going to ask, have you spoken to anyone
on that table?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
You know what, I actually I stayed true to the
never seeing Oh I haven't even stayed true to that. No,
because I've seen them. I've seen them and I've spoken
to them. I think at that time, like you're right,
I was at the end of my tether. I was like,
fuck these guys, these guys are shit. I'm going to
(13:42):
get out. But look, since then, most of them have
reached out. This was before the breakup, you know, most
of them had reached out and said some really nice things,
bumped into a few of them, and then post breakup,
I've heard from or we've heard from most of them.
(14:04):
I think the ones that we haven't heard from who
cares like they're showing their true colors, whereas you know,
the rest are more than happy to let bygones be bygones.
And at the end of the day, we were filming
a reality TV show. It needed to be entertaining. So yeah,
(14:31):
and apologies have been made where apologies were needed, and
I think that's the that's the best thing, like, you know, yeah, Okay,
during filming, we were all very we all had a
job to do, and that was to make entertaining TV.
Post filming, where wrong doings and really shitty things have
been said, they've been apologized for, and you cannot ask
(14:53):
for any more than that.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Were there any surprise apologies you weren't expecting?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, yeah there was one and I'm not here to
like name, but there was one that I probably or
that we were not expecting that we got. And yeah,
it's it's it's big of them to do what they
did and apologize for for their part in you know,
(15:21):
what was effectively a shoot show for us.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Have you had to think about Obviously it's very early,
but how navigating the dating world being a reality TV
star that was public as a public figure, how is
that going to work out?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I have got no idea. I cannot even entertain the
thought of dating right now. I Oh, I don't know,
I don't know. I feel like everyone is going to
want to know everything, and i'd yeah, honestly, I've not
(16:00):
thought about it, and it makes me a little bit
nauseous to think about it. I think for me. I'm
just ignorance, is bliss? I am not thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I think that's fair. One thing at a time, right,
like move back to Melbourne, maybe settle vagoon, see what happens.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Say is full? It's full, cannot fit another thing on it.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
We've actually been sent a question from a little surprise guest,
someone that was on your season. Okay, very interested to
see your answer on this one.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Hey, Tory, it's Eden. Lachlan and Talia have tasked me
with asking you a question today. So every year Maths
has its so called villains, and unfortunately there's a bit
of a stigma that comes with that label, often unfairly
by being by Jack's side through all of that, did
you feel it all let down by the rest of
the cast, whether people you considered friends that let you down,
(16:56):
like they fed into that narrative or didn't support you
when you really needed it. Me personally, looking back, as
much as I don't support everything that happened, I think
there's times where I could have been a better friend,
And I just wonder what it was like on the
receiving end of the position that you guys were in.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
God bless her. I love that girl. Yeah, I one
dinner party sticks out for me the most, and it
was probably the first in a party where everything pops
off with Jack and Lauren. I can't even remember. It
(17:32):
was a message or a photo at the gym or
whatever it was, I can't remember. And they waited, they
held onto this information and then they let it all
out at the dinner party. And I remember saying, like
I thought we were fucking friends, Like I understand you're
(17:53):
allowed to text me, but shit, like, if you cared
about me as much as what you say, and you're
my friend as much as what you say, why didn't
you bring this to me away from the dinner party
and then we could have spoken about how we were
going to deal with it at the dinner party, because
(18:13):
I'm sure when there were other situations that happened behind
closed doors or on a Saturday or Friday night, that
there would have been like a little crisis meeting howld
to make sure the people that were in the wrong
didn't look like, fuck, we're to the dinner party. And
I felt like I was never given that opportunity to
have that Okay, girl, we got you, like, what are
(18:36):
we going to do? Like what would you like is
to say, how do you want this to be played?
I was never a part of that little clique, And
when I look back at it, I am glad that
I was never a part of that little clique because
I had no choice, and the same as Jack, we
had no choice but to stay true to who we
(19:00):
were and what we were doing, because we didn't have
that group that was having these little side meetings like Okay,
this happened on the weekend. How are we going to
package this up and make it so fluffy and it
will just be like it never happened. If I had
cheated or if Jack had cheated, do you think it
would have been played out the way that a certain
(19:22):
cheating scandal played out. Absolutely not. It would have been
health for the stake, feet on fire like, it would
have been absolute warm. So yeah, I do think I
was let down by the cast. I think whatever now,
like I really am unfazed by now, But back then,
(19:44):
I was like, yeah, wow, there are really no there's
no one here that's going to back me but me
and Jack.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And have you been watching the latest season of Math
or was it like looking back triggering at all to
watch it?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was obsessed and the worst part was I was
so like I just took what I saw for value,
like I'd never been on the shoble, and I was
so vocal and like I think I said to a
post on Instagram, like, guys, I'll do you know, like
(20:21):
episode reactions. And then I found myself like just being
so like aggressive and like involved, and I was like,
I can't put this on my social media, like I'll
be freaking canceled.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Well, you recently clapped back at Jackie on social media,
I mean to fill people in. She had basically did
a Q and A. She was asked about your breakup
with jack and she said I never liked jack so
very glad she deserves more than him. And then you
and a few other MATH stars basically called her out.
(20:56):
What are your thoughts on this year's cast and have
you spoken with Jackie or had any more interaction since then?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
No, I haven't spoken to Jackie, And honestly, like a
day doesn't go past where I'm like, oh God, I
want to speak to Jackie, but I don't. I like
this year was just a nightmare, Like I just felt
like there was little spotfires everywhere, and like, I don't know,
(21:26):
I felt like there was a lot of double standards.
I think it was it was messy. One way to
put it. It was messy. I feel like with our season,
it was consistent that it was kind of you know,
all there was always something new happening. There was always
something new being said or someone did something shitty every week.
(21:50):
It wasn't the same thing harped on each and every
week other than Jack and I are sex Life. But
apart from that, there was something new this season. I
just felt like it was very manufactured. Not a lot
was going on. They had little to work with, so
they just rinsed everything that they called over and over again.
(22:12):
I think the only other thing that I really spoke
on my social media about was Tim and that was
another thing I was like, yeah, like someone like tell
me he's a good guy and I'll share the responses.
Could not share the responses.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
There's been a lot of talk recently, especially this year,
with Maths and looking at the production and the ethics
of the show. Do you think from your experience, Maths
should be investigated or doing anything more to protect the cast.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Look, at the end of the day, it's a workplace, right,
they pay us, We do a job. It's a workplace.
We need to be respected and cared for as any
one who goes to work should be. And I think
probably the biggest thing for them that they really push
(23:07):
the boundary on is probably that duty of care, because
you know, at the end of the day, Yeah, sure,
we sign a contract. I get that. Does anyone read
the one hundred and seventy seven pages of the contract. No,
but it is very clearly stated to you at the
front in a nutshell We're gonna fuck with you. That's
(23:30):
what you're signing up for. And we're all like, so
what line we not even We're just like yeap, sign, date, scan,
send it back, because you don't know at that time,
you don't know what they're going to do and the
severity of what they're going to do to you. So
I think, yeah, there needs to be probably a little
(23:53):
bit more regulation around let's understand what the term defamation is,
understand what the term bullying means. You know, like, let's
just rain it in a little bit, because sure it's entertaining,
that's great, and the viewers are seeing, you know, sixty
(24:15):
minutes of footage that you know has been taken over
you know, fifty hours or sixty hours in that week
they're watching dinner parties and bless them, they think the
dinner parties start at five and go to eight. Like
those guys have been awake since six am. It's now
four am, you know what I mean? So I think
(24:38):
they just need to tighten tighten the reins a little
bit and just understand that. Yeah, entertaining making new millions
love that, but come on, like, we're human.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Exactly do you think, given the long filming days, the
fact that the show is so huge, would make so
much money for the network? Do you think participants are
financially compensated enough for everything they go through?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
No? Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Everyone needs a pay rise to pay rise.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Everyone needs a pay rise.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Would you be open to going on reality TV again?
Have you thought about what show you might want to
appear on next Reality TV?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yes? You wouldn't catch me dead on another dating show?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Applications?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Why not? Don't bother we've going off? Yeah, I would
do I would do TV again. I genuinely enjoyed it.
I had a great time, but I just wouldn't put
myself out there in that dating space ever.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Again, what kind of show do you think like if
you had to pick from the Australian kind of line
up right now? Of other reality shows, does anything call
out to you?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I think my top two would be like the blow
and I say, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here.
But the minute you ask me to eat anything other
than chicken, fish, beef, poorhol lamb, I'm a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Do you think you and Jack could go on the
Block and just confuse like the absolute shit out of
everyone who like still think you know something dramatic went down,
but you're just like no, I'll just go and build
a house now.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'd love to. And you know what, you would probably
see more of who we are on the Block because
I'm a control freak. He's a control freak. I want
to do things a certain way. He wants to do
things a certain way. I'm he's impatient. I'm patient. I'm
a morning person, he's not. It would be more entertaining
(26:44):
for them to have us on the Block than what
it was to have us on Mass And I've said
that for so long, for so so long.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Block twenty twenty six maybe or for the call out.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Get me to Melbourne?
Speaker 4 (26:58):
What else is on Tori vision Board? Like one year
on from maths.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
My god, what do.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I look like? I've got no idea. I think my
biggest focus for me right now is probably starting that
process of moving back home, which is going to be
huge because I did sell everything to move up here,
so I'm essentially starting from scratch back home. And then
(27:27):
I think, once I'm there, I don't know what will
come from that. You know, I don't know what life
looks like as a single person. I came out of
the show in a relationship, and my priority at that
time was to build and grow and connect with this person,
(27:48):
and that's what we focused on. So what my life
looks like now, I have no idea other than getting
myself back home and just seeing where the universe takes me,
I guess. And I'm so open, like I am not
closed off to anything. I'm just what is meant for
(28:11):
me will will come to me, and I'm excited to
see what that is.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I was gonna say, that's an exciting feeling too, just
to kind of like and especially like I feel like
I'm a bit of a control freak too. And then
sometimes when those circumstances happen and you just kind of like, Okay,
now I just have to roll with it and just
see what is out there.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's the thing I think, like, when I want something,
I can be quite i guess aggressive in getting it,
but I think I need to learn the art of
if it's not meant for me, it won't stick to me,
and if it's meant to me, meant for me, it'll
stick with me. So instead of trying like hold onto
things for dear life like don't leave me, what will
(28:53):
be will be? And I think, you know, that's something
that I really need to just focus on this year,
is what's meant for me will stay. What's not we'll.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Simply go absolutely. It's like I feel like TikTok has
taught me all of that over the last year or so.
I don't know if you're on TikTok for there's so
many like TikTok girlies that are just like, you know,
just like send it back out into the universe. And
I'm like, yes, at.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
The moment, is just like heartbroken, don't heartbroken?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Wee did you get the Taro hard ones? Have seen
the Taro card ones. I'm like, this is meant for me.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
If you're seeing this on the fifth of Mark and I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Like right now where it's like, don't skip this otherwise
you'll get bad, And I'm like, no, don't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Is there anything you want maths viewers or fans of
the show to keep in mind as the show keeps
continuing over the next however, lon it goes or.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I just think like at some point we have to
come to terms with the fact that reality TV, as
the years go on, is so far from real, like
even you know, just seeing some comments and reactions to
this year's season and this year's cast, and you just think,
(30:10):
how how are people so stupid? Like it's fucking no
one wants to sit back and watch twenty four people
fall in love Like I don't. I don't want to watch.
I don't want to watch you to be happy. I
want to see, like, you know, drama and war and
crisis don't give me happiness. So yeah, I think just
(30:33):
online bullying is so prevalent right now, and it comes
from all these like sad, lonely people that sit at
home and slam their like greasy keyboards and they think
that they're not doing any harm. But actually I saw
something that Jackie posted the other day. She was doing
a Q and a and she'd been asked if she'd
gone back to work, and she said, no, like, I'm
(30:53):
going through therapy right now. I'm getting myself better and
I'm building myself back up to go out into the world.
And I really can sympathize with that. People think that
we're robots. We are humans, and we have feelings and
we have families that have to read that shit, and
I think that's what's the most heartbreaking.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So appreciate you just coming on chatting about all of this.
Best of luck with the move. Is that happening in
the next few weeks, So what does that timeline look like?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't know what that timeline looks like. I would
love to be home in time for winter. I think
I'm due for like a really crispy Melbourne winter. But
I've got it pretty good up here, so there is
really no rush. But if an opportunity presents itself, I'll
(31:46):
probably just jump at it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
If you did enjoy the interview there, you can search
Confessions of a Reality start on whatever podcast that you're
listening to this on right now. Because Lachlan and Tarley
I have a bow mini ep with a bit more
with Tori in their feed and you can also listen
to their former interviews with some of Australia's biggest names
in the reality TV world. I will link their podcast
and their socials in the notes of this pod, so
(32:13):
please do jump over, get involved, follow them, support them
because as you could probably tell from their approach in
that interview, they are actually two of the nicest people
in the showbiz journal world, which is why I'm very
happy with Joined Forces. Have a great day everyone, Goodbye,
Hello, and welcome back to the Maths Funny Podcast with
Me Joshua Fox, and today, guys, we finally have the
answer about why did Jack and Tory really split up?
Earlier this year. Everyone has been asking, speculating, hoping for
a big drama and something messy, and the real reason
is actually just a little bit sad if I'm being honest,
(00:20):
And it's also quite relatable to a lot of people
who I know will have found themselves in a similar
situation before but maybe struggled to find that courage to say, actually,
this isn't working, like we need to end this relationship.
Tory sat down to top things through with my friends
and journalist Lachlan Gerton and Talia Pritchard, who I said
in the previous episode of this podcast, I bring in
(00:41):
their podcast Confessions of a Reality Start into the Maths
Funny Feed and I kind of set them this first
challenge of can they get to the bottom of you know,
why did they split? Because everyone's asking, but no one knows.
And yeah, instead of me rambling on, here is their
full interview. Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Thank you so much for coming on Confessions of a
Reality Star.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I know it's been a pretty rough start to the
year for you. So we just wanted to ask, how
are you doing.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, look, I'm actually going pretty well. I think that's
like a shock to some people. But you know, I
won't speak for Jack, but we are going pretty pretty good.
We're not the start to the year that everyone thought
we would have, but yeah, we were actually in a
(01:31):
good place.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Okay. I mean we're going to dive into that a
little bit more because it's interesting. I think when couples
break up and the couple says we're still friends, there's
still a lot of love there and everyone's like, okay,
but why did you break up then? And so I
think everyone has a lot of questions. But if we
(01:53):
talk about the fact that it's been a year since
you were on Maths, the last time people saw you
was obviously when you were with I just want to
know how you think the toy that was on Maths
compares to the toy now.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh my god, the toy that was on Maths, or
the toy that was shown on Maths to the toy
that actually existed at that time was already so different.
But then the toy that was on Mass to the
toy that I am today again is so different. I
(02:29):
think I've gone through a lot of growth and a
lot of self development since being on the show. I
think you see life differently once you've been in that
world and you're on camera and you're watching yourself back,
and you're watching how you hold yourself in times of
(02:52):
you know, spiciness, or and you're in the middle of
an argument. Now, Lucky for me, most of my like
offs at the dinner party weren't shown, but you know,
I'm kind of glad that they weren't, because I think
I can be a very reactive, aggressive person. So to
(03:13):
learn the art of just kind of letting it be,
you know, not responding to those comments or just ignoring
or pretending like it's not happening, just being at peace
within yourself and not caring what anyone else thinks. I
think that's probably the biggest thing that I've learned since
(03:36):
being on Maths, is just to not care what people think.
Your existence is going to piss someone off at every point,
and it's just being okay with that. And I think
before Maths, I definitely didn't really care what people thought
of me, but I did have that little bit of like,
(03:59):
oh god, well, people think, and now I'm like, fuck it,
it's going to piss someone off anyway, so I might
just do it. It's going to make me happy, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, it's a new type of like resilience. I imagine correct.
It's probably coming in handy right now too, because I
think the interesting thing for me was like, you guys
didn't have a lot of people championing your relationship when
you ended the show, and then you've proved all the
haters wrong and you have broken up now obviously, but
people are really sad about it. Has that been kind
(04:29):
of confusing for you?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
People are so affected by it, and it's it's not funny,
but it's kind of like you're right, you know. We
came off the show, and to be fair, when we
got our social media back, we had nothing but love.
You know. I think for myself, I was expecting the
most vile messages, but we had nothing but an influx
(04:55):
of love and support and it was so nice. And
we never thought of like we needed to prove our
relationship to anyone.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
We were two people that met on a TV show
who could kind of feel that there was something there
and we were just going to give it a shot,
and we're going to give it the best shot that
we could possibly give it. And when we did end things,
you know, we had ended it for just on a
month before we had announced it. So when we did
(05:27):
announce it, I think people thought that we'd woke up
that morning and were like, you know what, let's break up,
let's announce it to the world, and let's do it
right now. They're like, no, like, is there any way
you guys can fix it? Like what's going on? Like
surely not like and it's like, oh god, guys like
(05:48):
bless and it's beautiful, but simmer down.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
It must be really strange though, because you know, when
you do break up with someone in usual life and
you don't have this kind of following of people, You
tell your friends and your family and then you're pretty
much done and dusted. But now you've got hundreds and
thousands of people kind of demanding to know why you
guys broke up. Do you have anything you kind of
want to say? Just to a general blanket statement.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
People, I think we're expecting this really juicy tea. Someone
did something really nasty to the other person, and it's
just vile and it's just not the case. Effectively, Jack
and I just never got to that point of falling
deeply in love with one another. We have a lot
(06:37):
of love for one another, and we are the very
best of friends, but it never eventuated into anything that
would have us spend the rest of our lives together.
So nothing, nothing happened, no one, you know, did anyone dirty.
We're just two people that are essentially the best of friends.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And is that And I imagine you have to have
a lot of conversations too to get to that point
and get to that understanding. So it's kind of funny
how you touched on earlier, Like it's like you just
woke up one morning and you're like, let's just announce
to everyone that it's over and we haven't tried it whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Correct, Like, there's a lot of conversation, there's a lot
of you know, putting in the hard work. There's a
lot of I guess, getting in those trenches and seeing
is this something that can be? And we did. We
put in the hard work, were put in the hard yards,
the hours, in the conversations and all the rest of it.
And at the end of the day, that was that,
(07:36):
you know, it wasn't from lack of trying. We just
figured out that we're just really great friends.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Was part of that time when you guys work together
for over a year and when you're trying to kind
of make it work and you're thinking is this going
to keep going or you're making those decisions. Is there
a part of you thinking, but everyone wanted us to
break up, let's stay together because of that? Or were
you thinking about the pressure of the public or the
fact that there are no success stories from the show
(08:05):
and you're like, come on, we can do this. Did
you ever think about the public perception in terms of
your relationship? Look?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I did. It was definitely something that I had in
the back of my mind, and it was more of like, oh, God, like,
you know, all of those nasty, vile people that wished
us ill and had all those nasty things to say
about us, and the naysayer is like, we've effectively validated
(08:33):
their shitty comments and those really evil words, and so
in the back of my mind, I was like, oh, like,
I hate that I'm giving these nasty, nasty people this satisfaction.
But at the end of the day, like you know,
they don't know us, and they don't know what we
(08:54):
have been through effectively. And like I said earlier, you're
any decision we make or that I make will piss
someone off. You just can't think about it. So Yeah,
for a split moment, I was like, oh, I don't
want to give these people, you know, like that feeling
of like oh God, like I told you so well,
(09:16):
like oh here we are look at them now, like
we knew this was going to happen. I didn't want
to give those people the satisfaction. But I have bigger
fish to fry. I cannot be worried about that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Absolutely, you uprooted your life from Melbourne to the Gold Coast.
Do you see sel staining in the Gold Coast?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I will probably make my way back home. I miss
so much about Melbourne. I have loved my time up
here on the Gold Coast, but I think I'm a
Melbourne girly through and through. I went back home last
weekend and it just reminded me how much I miss.
(10:02):
You know, my people are there, my circle, my friends,
my family, and I think what I need right now
is to be completely immersed in that.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You've said online that you and Jack still have a
lot of love for each other and you still care
for one another, how would you describe that relationship now?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
The relationship now is, Zach, we're like the best of mates.
We obviously still live in the same apartment, still go
to the gym together. Not not much has changed other
than we are no longer boyfriend and girlfriend. It's probably
very confusing to some people, but not much has changed.
(10:47):
You know, we still hang out all the time. Like
it's strange. I've never been this amicable and this friendly
with an e. But I guess when you grow up,
and you know, you get older, when you're when the
feelings just aren't there and no one's done anything wrong, it's.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Easy, Yeah, for sure. And I guess given everything you
guys went through as well on the show and whatever. Like,
there's so many different pressures being on a show like Maths,
so like, even when you are trying to forge a
romantic connection, like you said, with a virtual stranger, you're
just thrown into so many different challenges and of course
you go into the outside world and then it's about
seeing if you can make it work in that world
(11:32):
without all that kind of echo chamber of experts and
other people getting involved. So and that stuff takes time.
Takes time as.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, absolutely, and like you know, like I said earlier,
we didn't we didn't choose one another, but we could
see that there was something there worth trying for, and
we did. You know, if that spark or that little
niggle wasn't there and I didn't move up to the
Gold Coast, it would the right I would have been
(12:00):
on the wall. But you know, I did uproot my
life because we wanted to give it the best shot.
And that's exactly what we did.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
To switch things up a bit. We thought it would
be fun to get you to react to one of
your most iconic scenes on the show. You basically had
reached your limit with the contestants grilling you about your relationship,
and you kind of shut them down and put them
in their place at the dinner party. Let's play the clip.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh, let's the problem is that you don't feel anything
towards the shop. How I feel? Just trust what I'm
doing is right and if it's not, you can all laugh.
Oh no, if you can all laugh, everyone's probably laughing now.
(12:51):
It's so you know what, I'm going to be real
with you all. After you are wanted this table, maybe
you at the beginning, I would want to spend time
after this experiment. None of you have none none. Hmm, well,
(13:14):
I've stayed true to that.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
We were going to ask, have you spoken to anyone
on that table?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
You know what, I actually I stayed true to the
never seeing Oh I haven't even stayed true to that. No,
because I've seen them. I've seen them and I've spoken
to them. I think at that time, like you're right,
I was at the end of my tether. I was like,
fuck these guys, these guys are shit. I'm going to
(13:42):
get out. But look, since then, most of them have
reached out. This was before the breakup, you know, most
of them had reached out and said some really nice things,
bumped into a few of them, and then post breakup,
I've heard from or we've heard from most of them.
(14:04):
I think the ones that we haven't heard from who
cares like they're showing their true colors, whereas you know,
the rest are more than happy to let bygones be bygones.
And at the end of the day, we were filming
a reality TV show. It needed to be entertaining. So yeah,
(14:31):
and apologies have been made where apologies were needed, and
I think that's the that's the best thing, like, you know, yeah, Okay,
during filming, we were all very we all had a
job to do, and that was to make entertaining TV.
Post filming, where wrong doings and really shitty things have
been said, they've been apologized for, and you cannot ask
(14:53):
for any more than that.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Were there any surprise apologies you weren't expecting?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, yeah there was one and I'm not here to
like name, but there was one that I probably or
that we were not expecting that we got. And yeah,
it's it's it's big of them to do what they
did and apologize for for their part in you know,
(15:21):
what was effectively a shoot show for us.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Have you had to think about Obviously it's very early,
but how navigating the dating world being a reality TV
star that was public as a public figure, how is
that going to work out?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I have got no idea. I cannot even entertain the
thought of dating right now. I Oh, I don't know,
I don't know. I feel like everyone is going to
want to know everything, and i'd yeah, honestly, I've not
(16:00):
thought about it, and it makes me a little bit
nauseous to think about it. I think for me. I'm
just ignorance, is bliss? I am not thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I think that's fair. One thing at a time, right,
like move back to Melbourne, maybe settle vagoon, see what happens.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Say is full? It's full, cannot fit another thing on it.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
We've actually been sent a question from a little surprise guest,
someone that was on your season. Okay, very interested to
see your answer on this one.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Hey, Tory, it's Eden. Lachlan and Talia have tasked me
with asking you a question today. So every year Maths
has its so called villains, and unfortunately there's a bit
of a stigma that comes with that label, often unfairly
by being by Jack's side through all of that, did
you feel it all let down by the rest of
the cast, whether people you considered friends that let you down,
(16:56):
like they fed into that narrative or didn't support you
when you really needed it. Me personally, looking back, as
much as I don't support everything that happened, I think
there's times where I could have been a better friend,
And I just wonder what it was like on the
receiving end of the position that you guys were in.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
God bless her. I love that girl. Yeah, I one
dinner party sticks out for me the most, and it
was probably the first in a party where everything pops
off with Jack and Lauren. I can't even remember. It
(17:32):
was a message or a photo at the gym or
whatever it was, I can't remember. And they waited, they
held onto this information and then they let it all
out at the dinner party. And I remember saying, like
I thought we were fucking friends, Like I understand you're
(17:53):
allowed to text me, but shit, like, if you cared
about me as much as what you say, and you're
my friend as much as what you say, why didn't
you bring this to me away from the dinner party
and then we could have spoken about how we were
going to deal with it at the dinner party, because
(18:13):
I'm sure when there were other situations that happened behind
closed doors or on a Saturday or Friday night, that
there would have been like a little crisis meeting howld
to make sure the people that were in the wrong
didn't look like, fuck, we're to the dinner party. And
I felt like I was never given that opportunity to
have that Okay, girl, we got you, like, what are
(18:36):
we going to do? Like what would you like is
to say, how do you want this to be played?
I was never a part of that little clique, And
when I look back at it, I am glad that
I was never a part of that little clique because
I had no choice, and the same as Jack, we
had no choice but to stay true to who we
(19:00):
were and what we were doing, because we didn't have
that group that was having these little side meetings like Okay,
this happened on the weekend. How are we going to
package this up and make it so fluffy and it
will just be like it never happened. If I had
cheated or if Jack had cheated, do you think it
would have been played out the way that a certain
(19:22):
cheating scandal played out. Absolutely not. It would have been
health for the stake, feet on fire like, it would
have been absolute warm. So yeah, I do think I
was let down by the cast. I think whatever now,
like I really am unfazed by now, But back then,
(19:44):
I was like, yeah, wow, there are really no there's
no one here that's going to back me but me
and Jack.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And have you been watching the latest season of Math
or was it like looking back triggering at all to
watch it?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was obsessed and the worst part was I was
so like I just took what I saw for value,
like I'd never been on the shoble, and I was
so vocal and like I think I said to a
post on Instagram, like, guys, I'll do you know, like
(20:21):
episode reactions. And then I found myself like just being
so like aggressive and like involved, and I was like,
I can't put this on my social media, like I'll
be freaking canceled.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Well, you recently clapped back at Jackie on social media,
I mean to fill people in. She had basically did
a Q and A. She was asked about your breakup
with jack and she said I never liked jack so
very glad she deserves more than him. And then you
and a few other MATH stars basically called her out.
(20:56):
What are your thoughts on this year's cast and have
you spoken with Jackie or had any more interaction since then?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
No, I haven't spoken to Jackie, And honestly, like a
day doesn't go past where I'm like, oh God, I
want to speak to Jackie, but I don't. I like
this year was just a nightmare, Like I just felt
like there was little spotfires everywhere, and like, I don't know,
(21:26):
I felt like there was a lot of double standards.
I think it was it was messy. One way to
put it. It was messy. I feel like with our season,
it was consistent that it was kind of you know,
all there was always something new happening. There was always
something new being said or someone did something shitty every week.
(21:50):
It wasn't the same thing harped on each and every
week other than Jack and I are sex Life. But
apart from that, there was something new this season. I
just felt like it was very manufactured. Not a lot
was going on. They had little to work with, so
they just rinsed everything that they called over and over again.
(22:12):
I think the only other thing that I really spoke
on my social media about was Tim and that was
another thing I was like, yeah, like someone like tell
me he's a good guy and I'll share the responses.
Could not share the responses.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
There's been a lot of talk recently, especially this year,
with Maths and looking at the production and the ethics
of the show. Do you think from your experience, Maths
should be investigated or doing anything more to protect the cast.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Look, at the end of the day, it's a workplace, right,
they pay us, We do a job. It's a workplace.
We need to be respected and cared for as any
one who goes to work should be. And I think
probably the biggest thing for them that they really push
(23:07):
the boundary on is probably that duty of care, because
you know, at the end of the day, Yeah, sure,
we sign a contract. I get that. Does anyone read
the one hundred and seventy seven pages of the contract. No,
but it is very clearly stated to you at the
front in a nutshell We're gonna fuck with you. That's
(23:30):
what you're signing up for. And we're all like, so
what line we not even We're just like yeap, sign, date, scan,
send it back, because you don't know at that time,
you don't know what they're going to do and the
severity of what they're going to do to you. So
I think, yeah, there needs to be probably a little
(23:53):
bit more regulation around let's understand what the term defamation is,
understand what the term bullying means. You know, like, let's
just rain it in a little bit, because sure it's entertaining,
that's great, and the viewers are seeing, you know, sixty
(24:15):
minutes of footage that you know has been taken over
you know, fifty hours or sixty hours in that week
they're watching dinner parties and bless them, they think the
dinner parties start at five and go to eight. Like
those guys have been awake since six am. It's now
four am, you know what I mean? So I think
(24:38):
they just need to tighten tighten the reins a little
bit and just understand that. Yeah, entertaining making new millions
love that, but come on, like, we're human.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Exactly do you think, given the long filming days, the
fact that the show is so huge, would make so
much money for the network? Do you think participants are
financially compensated enough for everything they go through?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
No? Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Everyone needs a pay rise to pay rise.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Everyone needs a pay rise.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Would you be open to going on reality TV again?
Have you thought about what show you might want to
appear on next Reality TV?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yes? You wouldn't catch me dead on another dating show?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Applications?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Why not? Don't bother we've going off? Yeah, I would
do I would do TV again. I genuinely enjoyed it.
I had a great time, but I just wouldn't put
myself out there in that dating space ever.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Again, what kind of show do you think like if
you had to pick from the Australian kind of line
up right now? Of other reality shows, does anything call
out to you?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I think my top two would be like the blow
and I say, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here.
But the minute you ask me to eat anything other
than chicken, fish, beef, poorhol lamb, I'm a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Do you think you and Jack could go on the
Block and just confuse like the absolute shit out of
everyone who like still think you know something dramatic went down,
but you're just like no, I'll just go and build
a house now.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'd love to. And you know what, you would probably
see more of who we are on the Block because
I'm a control freak. He's a control freak. I want
to do things a certain way. He wants to do
things a certain way. I'm he's impatient. I'm patient. I'm
a morning person, he's not. It would be more entertaining
(26:44):
for them to have us on the Block than what
it was to have us on Mass And I've said
that for so long, for so so long.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Block twenty twenty six maybe or for the call out.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Get me to Melbourne?
Speaker 4 (26:58):
What else is on Tori vision Board? Like one year
on from maths.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
My god, what do.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I look like? I've got no idea. I think my
biggest focus for me right now is probably starting that
process of moving back home, which is going to be
huge because I did sell everything to move up here,
so I'm essentially starting from scratch back home. And then
(27:27):
I think, once I'm there, I don't know what will
come from that. You know, I don't know what life
looks like as a single person. I came out of
the show in a relationship, and my priority at that
time was to build and grow and connect with this person,
(27:48):
and that's what we focused on. So what my life
looks like now, I have no idea other than getting
myself back home and just seeing where the universe takes me,
I guess. And I'm so open, like I am not
closed off to anything. I'm just what is meant for
(28:11):
me will will come to me, and I'm excited to
see what that is.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I was gonna say, that's an exciting feeling too, just
to kind of like and especially like I feel like
I'm a bit of a control freak too. And then
sometimes when those circumstances happen and you just kind of like, Okay,
now I just have to roll with it and just
see what is out there.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's the thing I think, like, when I want something,
I can be quite i guess aggressive in getting it,
but I think I need to learn the art of
if it's not meant for me, it won't stick to me,
and if it's meant to me, meant for me, it'll
stick with me. So instead of trying like hold onto
things for dear life like don't leave me, what will
(28:53):
be will be? And I think, you know, that's something
that I really need to just focus on this year,
is what's meant for me will stay. What's not we'll.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Simply go absolutely. It's like I feel like TikTok has
taught me all of that over the last year or so.
I don't know if you're on TikTok for there's so
many like TikTok girlies that are just like, you know,
just like send it back out into the universe. And
I'm like, yes, at.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
The moment, is just like heartbroken, don't heartbroken?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Wee did you get the Taro hard ones? Have seen
the Taro card ones. I'm like, this is meant for me.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
If you're seeing this on the fifth of Mark and I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Like right now where it's like, don't skip this otherwise
you'll get bad, And I'm like, no, don't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Is there anything you want maths viewers or fans of
the show to keep in mind as the show keeps
continuing over the next however, lon it goes or.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I just think like at some point we have to
come to terms with the fact that reality TV, as
the years go on, is so far from real, like
even you know, just seeing some comments and reactions to
this year's season and this year's cast, and you just think,
(30:10):
how how are people so stupid? Like it's fucking no
one wants to sit back and watch twenty four people
fall in love Like I don't. I don't want to watch.
I don't want to watch you to be happy. I
want to see, like, you know, drama and war and
crisis don't give me happiness. So yeah, I think just
(30:33):
online bullying is so prevalent right now, and it comes
from all these like sad, lonely people that sit at
home and slam their like greasy keyboards and they think
that they're not doing any harm. But actually I saw
something that Jackie posted the other day. She was doing
a Q and a and she'd been asked if she'd
gone back to work, and she said, no, like, I'm
(30:53):
going through therapy right now. I'm getting myself better and
I'm building myself back up to go out into the world.
And I really can sympathize with that. People think that
we're robots. We are humans, and we have feelings and
we have families that have to read that shit, and
I think that's what's the most heartbreaking.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So appreciate you just coming on chatting about all of this.
Best of luck with the move. Is that happening in
the next few weeks, So what does that timeline look like?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't know what that timeline looks like. I would
love to be home in time for winter. I think
I'm due for like a really crispy Melbourne winter. But
I've got it pretty good up here, so there is
really no rush. But if an opportunity presents itself, I'll
(31:46):
probably just jump at it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
If you did enjoy the interview there, you can search
Confessions of a Reality start on whatever podcast that you're
listening to this on right now. Because Lachlan and Tarley
I have a bow mini ep with a bit more
with Tori in their feed and you can also listen
to their former interviews with some of Australia's biggest names
in the reality TV world. I will link their podcast
and their socials in the notes of this pod, so
(32:13):
please do jump over, get involved, follow them, support them
because as you could probably tell from their approach in
that interview, they are actually two of the nicest people
in the showbiz journal world, which is why I'm very
happy with Joined Forces. Have a great day everyone, Goodbye,
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