April 28, 2025 • 36 mins
Everyone’s worried about AI taking over. But what if humanity’s greatest threat… is humanity itself? Bernie Brown and Michael Williams pull back the curtain on the real existential dangers — nuclear weapons, irrational leaders, and human error. Together, they challenge mainstream fears about AI and bring the conversation back to what really matters: logic, leadership, and global responsibility. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who wants clarity, not hype, in an increasingly chaotic world.
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Welcome all to Bernie Brown'sdelight where legal mindse both
day and night in uncertain times.
He.
Welcome to the Logical Lawyer Podcastwith attorney Bernie Brown, retired Los
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Angeles assistant city attorney withdecades of legal experience and also
extensive leadership experience servingin top bar associations like the John
M Langston Bar Association and theAssociation of Black City Attorneys.
Bernie is powered by a deep personaltestimony that took him from South
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Central LA to the courtrooms.
In downtown la Bernie divesinto today's toughest legal,
social, and spiritual issues.
He brings facts, answers, and sharpanalysis to cut through all of the noise.
So if you are ready for a nononsense perspective, then let's
get started with your host attorney,Bernie Brown, the logical lawyer.
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My name is Bernie Brown.
I am the Logical Lawyer.
Welcome to The Logical Lawyer Podcast.
Today we have a special guest,Michael Williams, a retired
space satellite engineer.
He's not gonna tell us any top stuff.
It's not like s. Ef, how do you say that?
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The guy's name ef, the onewho leaked all this stuff.
Yeah.
Hef.
Michael.
I dunno what you're talking about.
Michael.
See, Michael's very good.
He's not releasing anything, but todaywe're gonna talk about threats to the
existence of mankind, primarily nuclear.
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Oh, I mean this stuff
to me, I.
The most important thing toour existence is our existence.
True.
And if something threatensour existence or threatens the
existence of our descendants tocome, you know, that is important.
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That is the most crucial.
Thing that anyone can ever discuss.
And, and to me, nuclear war isthe most serious threat of all.
Michael, I see you, you looklike you wanna say something.
Well, I, I, uh, agree withyou partly, but you know, in.
Nuclear war can't happenwithout, uh, people.
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And I
think people are our biggest threat.
Oh, you're right Michael, you'regonna make me jump to the, to the
end very quickly because my, my endanalysis is people are not logical.
The logical lawyer is logical, but peopleare not always logical far from it.
Yes.
And that's.
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What leads to wars.
True.
And, and, but in any event mm-hmm.
There are other threats to, to humanity.
We won't be talking about those right.
At this time.
I mean, the meteors, poor dinosaurs,they, they wound up in extinction
because of a meteor came upon us.
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And that's another, yeah.
See, have a scientist.
Asteroids, viruses, globalwarming, volcanoes, ai.
Ugh.
You think so?
Well, that's what some ofthe scientists are saying.
They're saying that AI couldbecome self-conscious and then.
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You know, with the robots, you know,it's way, a little ways down the line.
Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
I'm, I'm less concernedabout that than I am.
I am about, uh, nuclear.
Right.
So that's, that's, I mean, the,as far as AI is concerned, I mean.
We're still beta beta testing,they're still using all of
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us to beta test that system.
Right.
I mean, every time we accessit, we're, we're helping them,
helping that system mature.
Yeah.
That's gonna take, that'sgonna take a long time.
You know, I, I'm not sure whetheryou use it or not, but you know,
you can, it will give you, uh,images or give you suggestions.
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But those would be to betaken just as suggestions.
Not not the last end all, becauseyou'll find fault in all of it
really, if you dig deeper enough.
So if you do images right, you'll seesomething where an image look kind
of funky and it'll come back and.
Ask you, is this what you meant?
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So see it, it's learning asyou are asking it, right?
And you say, well no, thatbird looks a little funny.
Can we change it?
And it'll come backwith another suggestion.
So that's all a learning process.
So if it was at the point whereit didn't, where it was at the
point where it was, I would say 90%accurate, we would be paying for it.
Right now we're helping them.
Helping them, you know,
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mature their ai.
I am so glad to hear you say that.
'cause these, these guys have scared me.
They say, oh, at some point it willhave access to all human intelligence
and then at some point it will developself-consciousness, self-awareness.
And when it does that, it may decide to.
Y mankind,
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you know, that's a lotof programming, right?
I mean, you know, recently the, theissue, uh, with that has been, uh, power.
Right.
I uhhuh someone like, um, Microsoft,they're developing, they, they are
buying their own power plant to powertheir AI system an entire power plant.
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Right.
So, and decided, they decidedto back off a little because
of all that tariffs, right.
That's going on.
Mm-hmm.
So they decided to delay that a little bitso that, uh, we can see where we're going.
But it just takes massive amountsof energy to do what they say
that they would like to do, right?
So you got, you know, fossil fuel,you have nuclear energy that's
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coming back, making it back, andyou know, all kinds of energy.
But it's going to take a massiveamount of energy to do what.
They, they're fantasizingabout at this point I'll say
I love it.
I love it.
It's just a fantasy.
But I do agree with you, with, on yourmain conclusion that the most serious
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threat to mankind is nuclear war.
Let me take you back.
You guys are young guys.
I remember, I rememberbeing in school, right?
I was in elementary school, and this alarmgoes off, you can hear it blocks away.
It was a drill alarm, a siren.
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A siren.
And, and we, and, and the teacherstops everything and tells us
to duck under the table and it.
It was a nuclear weapons drill.
Yeah.
So that was, oh man.
That was, you know, fantasy in itself.
Right.
So if you're under your desk,
you're right.
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Right.
It's not so bad.
We know, I mean, I mean, sadly,we're the only ones that ever, uh,
drop, uh, you know, a, a nuclearweapon on the country with Japan.
Right.
And that was, yeah.
Horrific.
And, uh, yeah.
You know, like, what was it, 50 or 60,000people in the instant of a few seconds.
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I failed to, uh, recall the, the number.
But yeah, it's a significant numberthat, uh, shattered countries
or, or areas of countries, right?
So, um, yeah, it, it, it's, it's,uh, devastating in nuclear war.
Uh, nuclear winter after that, right?
If you don't want to, oh man.
That evil.
So,
well, the thing that'sso terrifying, okay.
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First of all, the US has like5,000, 5,200 nuclear warheads and,
and, and Russia has like 5,900.
Nuclear Well war is right?
And the one GU bomb that theydropped on Hiroshima, it's like,
you know, it's like nothing comparedto the nuclear bombs we have now.
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Now they're, they're 50,20 times more powerful.
Right.
I, I think we have hydrogen bombs now.
They, that wasn't hydrogen mark.
Yeah, Tommy.
So, yes.
So we, uh, uh, but you know,fast forward from that.
I mean, what we're depending on ismutual assure destruction, right?
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That.
That is what everybody is dependingon that, you know, if, if, if you're
not gonna have this for yourself.
So if you launch, we're gonna launch it.
We're gonna just blow everything up.
Okay.
So define just, I know what it is,but define for the listening audience.
What is mutually assured destruction?
Well, mutual dis assured destructionis a principle that says that, uh,
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if you launch, I'm gonna launch andwe will surely destroy the world.
That's okay.
We'll destroy each other.
Yes.
So, so the logic is don'tlaunch because you're gonna get
yourself destroyed if you launch
against us.
Yeah.
So in the background, you know,everyone has, have been trying, has
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been trying to upset that balance.
Right.
And there's been several pointsin, I don't know, last few years
or uh, where, uh, technology has.
Help one side or another upsetthat, uh, balance with momentarily.
Right.
So I, I worked on, uh, where actually,where I, uh, worked on the B two
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farmer right at the beginning.
That's what it was, was a, aplatform for, uh, nuclear weapons.
Right.
But it decided, we decided.
Russia outta its, uh, militarybuildup because they couldn't, they
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couldn't, uh, continue to supplytheir, uh, military with funds.
Well, let's just give ourguests just a little background.
There are several means.
Of delivering nuclear weapons.
There's submarine based nuclear weaponsthat come out of the submarines.
There's all these submarines floatingaround, loaded with nuclear weapons.
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They're just waiting to fire them up.
Okay?
And then there's land-based nuclearweapons that are based on certain and in
certain areas where they're waiting aroundwaiting for somebody to press the button.
And then they're, uh, whatever.
Oh dude, like you said, the bombers,they're, they're, they're air base.
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Go
Air Force.
Go Air Force.
There we go.
Jesse.
Jesse's an Air Force man.
Is he?
Oh, he,
yeah.
So, and, and you know, bothsides are actually working on
space-based weapon tree as well.
Oh God.
So we are.
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It's covering a quite of,uh, quite a few areas.
You mentioned neutral, uh, mutuallyassured destruction, Uhhuh, what,
what does First Strike capabilityhave to do with nuclear assured?
Destruction.
Well, so, so that's theimbalance of it, right?
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First strike capability.
Get it unbalanced.
The mutual assure structure, becauseyou gotta hand up and each side is
working hard to get that leg up.
So like not hypersonic missiles.
It's like another phase where, youknow, if I get one before you get one,
you, you won't be able to shoot medown before I get to you because I'm
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now too fast and you can't track me.
Right.
Okay.
So we're constantly trying to offset that.
That balance both sides with technology.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now you, you, you scared me.
You scared me even more and morebecause now you're telling me, are you
telling me that one side might be ableto shoot up their nuclear weapons in
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like f and get it and deliver them?
To our continent within 20 minutes or 30minutes, and we not have time to respond.
Well, president Trump is out on thegolf course and having a good old time.
See, we're trying to keepthis, this conversation
intellectually intellectual.
I
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don't me.
So, yeah, so the, so the balance, right?
We're trying to each side, so we have,you remember when Reagan was in office,
he started this Star Wars thing, right?
Yes.
That's what that was about, really,was about us tracking and being
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able to shoot down missiles beforethey were able to get to us.
So what you trying to do is shootit down before it gets all the
warheads, uh, separated because itbe hard to track all the warhead.
So you wanna shoot it down before.
Point where the warheads separatebecause each missile probably carry,
I'm sure, carries multiple warheadsand designated different areas.
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Right?
So what you wanna do is be ableto get to it before that phase.
So, you know, we, we, uh.
Both sides are tracking eachother's whatever abilities and
progress to make sure that balanceisn't, uh, isn't taken away.
Well, let me, lemme just go, go back.
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I, mm-hmm.
Lemme go back just for just a minute.
So our listeners under.
Stand what we're talking about.
The one missile that wasdropped in Hiroshima.
Okay.
One missile killed like 50,000,70,000 people instantly.
Now, the missiles that the UnitedStates and Russia have, they have, and
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China as well,
and China and nine countries total, right?
They, they are like 50 times strongerthan one missile could destroy.
All of LA just boom and just one missile.
And, and, and, and Russiahas thousands of them.
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Well, many of them pointed straight at us.
Well, ready to go
more, more than that.
Each missile carry multiple warheads.
Oh God.
So each warhead could be designated to.
A different city.
Oh man.
Please.
You're making me cry.
You're making me cry.
So it's worse.
It's worse than uh, now.
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Well, you know, I think I, maybe,maybe we don't, maybe the, you
know, 'cause I've, I've read.
In the latest estimates that a full scalenuclear war between the United States and
Russia could result in 5 billion deaths,uh, you know, like 80, 90% of all mankind.
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And the reason why is not justbecause of the explosions.
No, but, but they call the nuclear winter.
Nuclear winter.
That will fall because there'll be allthe smoke that'll clog out the, the sky.
The, it'll be dark.
No crops will grow.
There'll be radiation.
People will be all burnt up and falling.
The, it'll just be ugly.
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Yeah.
Ugly, ugly,
ugly.
Right.
Gimme some hope, man.
I
don't
have
any hope.
I think that, uh, cooler heads haveto, uh, be put in a place where they
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can offset some of the hotheads, right?
So, uh, at this point, I'm, uh.
Uh, I'm not really optimistic.
I'm hoping that in thefuture talk will do better.
Uh, I think the internet is going toimplode eventually because I think people
are starting to understand that they,what they're reading on the internet is
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far from the truth and it's so, they'regetting so tired of trying to dig deep and
see, is this true or is that image real?
Or, you know, so before it was, it washard to get to so many people instantly,
but the internet, you know, has madethe world a lot smaller and it has
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placed, uh, you know, individual's,um, opinions at the same level.
Regardless of their, you know, expertise.
So my expertise in, in attorneylaw, I get on the podcast
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and say, yeah, I'm, I'm Mike.
I'm a, a space system engineer, buttoday I'm gonna talk a law and I'm
gonna tell you, lay the law down to you.
And tell you how the law really works.
So those lawyers out there that spentall that time in, you know, law school
and all that time, uh, debating, youknow, uh, cases and writing the law, they
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don't know what they're talking about.
I'm the guy, you arethe conspiracy theorist.
So, so I, I have you say, well,Mike, how much experience and as
being an attorney, do you have?
I don't have any, I just, Ijust know that it's not right.
What they tell you is not the truth.
Mm-hmm.
I have the truth.
Well, what evidence for truth, whileI said that I don't need evidence,
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I, you know, and, and my, in, in myopinion, it's just as good as Mr.
Bernie, who, who probably spent half ofhis life, if not more, in, in a court.
It, uh, performing attorney duties andall that stuff, but it doesn't matter.
Trust me, I'm, I'm theone you should listen to.
Yeah, I hear you.
Because, uh, you know,recently I have a few friends.
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We are now saying that the earth is flat.
They believe that they're, they'refollowing that conspiracy theory.
But that's another, that's another, youknow, there's all this stuff that's out
there and people are making all of these,uh, claims and people are believing.
Yeah.
And they have no, like you said, they haveno background, no evidence, nothing to
support it, but you're just making claims.
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But back to the issue.
What can we do?
You know, they used to havenuclear arms agreement.
I mean, well there are nuclear.
There wasn't a nuclear arms agreement.
Russia pulled outta it.
Salt.
Yeah.
And you know, I mean, what do youthink about this doomsday clock?
Oh, that, that, well, sothat's just a estimation.
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Um, that takes account into account thethreats, threat levels around the world.
And they just come up with an estimate of.
Will happen and how they thinkit's going to happen and how
close we are to nuclear war.
Right.
So it's just an estimation.
It's just somebody's guess.
I'm just wondering if you could lead amovement to, for Disarmorment Total World
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Disarmorment, could you lead that for us?
Yeah, so, so I would,
if it, if it was.
I mean, certainly I would, uh, gatherexperts that in the field, right?
Not necessarily just, uh, not politicians.
So since, since I'm science based,I would, uh, gather the scientists
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and have them come up with aplan and lead us out of this.
Uh, politicians, you know,for the most part are after.
Politicking, you know, so I, I wouldprefer to have a science-based method
that say, okay, uh, we will honoreach other's, uh, borders and, you
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know, but that's a peace movementthough, and that's hard to do.
Yeah, because it's always beengreed in the world, right?
Yes.
Again, it come back to us.
Yes.
It, it's greed.
It is so much, uh, greed inthe world, so always has been.
Well, I know at some
point, and I know you probably rock,your rock was bigger than his and Rock
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could do more damage with his rock than.
I, I know at some point they weretalking about, and you probably
can't tell us top secret stuff.
I know you can't, but theywere talking about these.
Yes, that's right.
Because they might show up atyour front door and we don't want,
the authorities may come, but anyevent, uh, you know, they were
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talking a while back about these.
Face base based lasers and all they were,they were just shooting missiles out of
the sky before they reached their targets.
Well, there were sub wars.
Yes.
They were setting that all up and Yeah.
And then all of a sudden theystopped talking about it.
Yeah.
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What would you like forthem to tell you, Bernie?
I'd like for them to tell me thatyes, it's out there and if anything
happens, they'll just shoot downall those enemy, um, nuclear weapons
before they get to our nation.
I'd love for them to tell me that.
Well, some people probably
will tell you that,
but, but the reality is
something else.
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Things work, uh, to a point.
But you know, so if you take like,um, the war in, in Ukraine, right?
So one of the things that we've beensupplying them is patriot missiles, right?
So that's what they do.
Ground base, the patriot missile isthey shoot down the missile, right?
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And, uh, so, you know,there's stuff out there.
Hmm.
Well here, you know, Iwanna play with you, okay?
For, for just a few, few min moments.
Alright?
And war.
A war game, okay?
You wanna play a war game?
Sure, why not?
Who do you wanna be?
Putin or Trump?
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Neither.
Throwing cheese.
Two more?
Yeah.
Can we do two more?
I, I want more of whomever.
Okay.
Well, we'll just saythe US against Russia.
Okay.
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Okay.
Okay, so, so all of a sudden youhear, you know, you are sitting
there and your radar shows that.
Russia has launched a couple ofmissiles, a couple of nuclear
warheads are on the way.
Just two.
Uh, what do you do?
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Oh, we already know they launched 'em.
We already out there, uh, stopping them.
Yeah.
Yeah, we already do.
Oh, you would stop 'em.
We already, we already,we were already started.
I, I don't have to do anything.
We already started.
Oh, okay.
So once they launch, they're on theway and boom, they'll get stopped?
We, yes.
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Okay.
You don't think we we're blblind to what's going on, do you?
I think that, oh, I don't know.
I just, I'm just saying, well,you know, when I hear this,
just like it would befoolish if we were right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well,
it's just that when I hear this stuff,when they say that Ru Russian now
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has, and, and China, they now havehypersonic missiles that can get here
and they have submarine based missiles.
Then I wonder, well, I assume that thatmeans they have a first strike capability
and that we could not stop those missiles
on the way.
Well, let me ask you a question.
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What makes you have that assumption?
Because they're moving so damn fast.
Well, what makes you thinkyou can't move faster?
Because I don't know of anyweaponry that could move that.
Fast to intercept it, thatwould be that reliable.
Well, but, but, and here's the realquestion, but that's, see what I'm saying?
But that's not for, youknow, public consumption.
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Right?
I hear you.
But here's the real point.
Mm-hmm.
See, we're I just, myhypothetical was too missiles.
Right?
Okay.
Yeah.
But in reality, I don't.
See a scenario where Russia or theUnited States would ever just launch
two missiles against each other.
True.
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I think it would be allor nothing out of the
fear of retaliation.
Well, that depends onwhat they want to do.
Right.
If they wanna save something themselves.
I mean, it don't haveto be total destruction.
Mm-hmm.
And they wanna save themselves,so that's why the, you know, the
balance of power is so important.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Because yeah, if they could just knockout Washington, I mean, just like those
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planes, uh, were on their way to Pentagon,the way to Washington, uh, nine 11.
Right.
That would've been pretty hard tocome back from for a long time.
Foot and on planes marching because wewere with our pants down at that point.
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Right.
More than I would like us to see.
So, um, so it doesn't have to be nuclear.
I mean, I, I worry about the, uh,threats inside the nation more
than inside, more than outside.
Oh, well you're, you're reassuring me.
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You're making a logical lawyer feel more,more comforted because I, Ima imagine of
thousands of these missiles headed towardthe US and us trying to intercept them and
just, you know, 200 get through and justdevastate us and then we're all messed up.
And then, but we do have,uh, missiles in, uh.
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Because, you know, they targetthe land base first and, and
they're gonna target whatever theycan target, but they apparently
can't target like submarine base.
Those are hard to target.
So we could shoot back submarine missilesand we have missiles all over the world.
We have 'em in Italy and other space pot.
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Well you mean, um, missile,
what was that?
But you, he can't, you, youwouldn't send a nuclear missile
out to shoot another missile down.
Oh, no, no.
I don't mean that.
I just Oh, okay.
Whatever it is to, yes, but I'm just,oh, I'm talking about retaliation now.
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Oh, that's too late.
We don't wanna retaliate.
We wanna, we, we wannastop it from happening.
Oh, okay.
We wanna stop it.
Right.
All right.
Well, that would, well, that wouldn'tbe the right, that wouldn't be the right
thing to work on to retaliation, right.
You wanna stop it in his tracks.
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All right.
P, we here does Putin near this.
We wanna stop
it.
Yeah.
So if you are fast enough andquick enough, it, it basically
blows up over into our country.
Ah,
woo.
Well, that requires some realadvanced scientific technology.
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What, buddy?
That's what we do.
Oh, oh, oh, man.
Okay.
Oh, man.
Okay.
You see, I'm in.
Yeah, well, but that, that's, you know,if we could stop it, that would be great.
That'd be great.
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I mean, that's our, you know,that, that's our purpose, right?
Is is not be, I'll just say ass out.
We were exposed.
I mean, that's what we do.
Alright.
Ways, I mean, oh fuck.
So examples of just, you know, yourcar GPS, I mean, how long ago was it
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when you were sitting there readingthe map, trying to decide where to
go instead of punching in an addressand it's showing you which way to go?
And, and, and I'll say 90, I'llsay mine, 95% of the time is right.
I mean, sometimes it's not.
Yeah.
And you know, my daughters alwaystease, uh, myself and Carla because
we never, we kind of ignore itsometime and they said, well, it
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trying to kill you way around traffic.
But you know, you were just so hard here.
You didn't go.
So people, I mean, how, howlong has it been since, uh,
we went through that, right?
Mm-hmm.
So if you think we, we, we went there andstopped and said, okay, we've done enough.
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Now we can go back anddo some other things.
Uh, you know that that wouldn't be right.
Right.
So now we need something betterthan that to do other things with.
And, and usually if, usually if you gotsomething in, you know, in civilian life,
you know, you, you got the old stuff.
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Wow.
All right.
Well Michael, you made me feel a lot.
So a lot more comfortable.
Now I'm gonna stop worrying aboutnuclear weapons and just start worrying
about that meteor that they say ison the way here to impact the earth.
The asteroid.
Yeah, so, I'm sorry, asteroid.
Asteroid.
Yeah.
So that's another, uh,favorite of mine, uh, too.
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Oh, is it?
Yeah.
I'm a big, I'm a big, uh.
Let's say a follower of Neil deGrasseTyson, who is the, uh, world business.
Right.
And, uh, you know, he, uh,he's a pretty smart guy.
Oh yeah, he's smart.
Uh, uh, and they worked on thingsso, you know, we have sent, uh,
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probes to asteroids, landed onasteroid, dug into the asteroid.
Uh, packed the soil or whatever back inthe pod and brought it back to earth.
You know how difficult that is.
You know, the con, the conspiracytheorists say that you use just all
cameras and make believe that, thatyou guys really didn't do that stuff.
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Yeah, I know, but you know, at
some point.
You know, look or assess the individual.
Yes.
No matter how, uh, you know, it'scome, you gotta end a conversation
somewhere, uh, where it's like, youknow, this is not worth my time anymore.
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Uh, that's what my wife tells me.
So why do you talk to those people, right?
Even as they, you know, lookup at the moon and it's like,
it ain't necessarily flat oreverything's just a flat round disc.
Yes.
Right.
So, uh, you know, the sies goes on.
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But, but we, we've been ableto do that several times.
I mean, go out there and wepredicted where it would be.
We've sent things out there way out.
I mean, it's.
Out of our,
yeah.
They claim they believethey can explode it.
Something that will change thetraje trajectory of the asteroid.
Yes.
You keep it from hitting us and blowing us
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up with all this uhhuh going theway of the dinosaurs, you know.
Yeah.
Alright.
Well all that stuff is known, right?
We, so we have just about mapped outour local space areas and, uh, we know
where stuff is and when it's gonna comeback again and how close it's gonna go.
Um, you know, we, we we're outthere looking James, you guys
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out there looking way out there
of mine, James Webb.
Tell a story.
Way out there.
Just, just look back into time gathering,uh, data about how we got here, how
it's gonna end, and can we see someother planets out there where it's
like, you know, that's good stuffyou scientists are, and if we think
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we're gonna around and worry about.
Putin.
I'm worried about Putin.
Well, we'll let you worry.
Somebody's got
Yes, you're right.
Somebody's gotta worry.
Even though I can't doanything about Putin.
No.
I'm still worried about worry for nothing.
Well, you know.
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We're gonna come back again,uh, at another time, okay.
And, and resume this conversationabout other threats to humanity.
But Michael, you've mademe feel much better.
You know, uh, here's what I wannaleave with our listeners today.
Everybody everywhere set asidea moment, a day, a moment.
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When you freeze, just freezeand appreciate what you have.
All the God-given stuff we have.
Just look at a cloud,look at the blue skies.
Look at your children.
Look at your children's children.
Look at the trees and theflowers, as they say, smell.
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The roses and, and live in, you know,enjoy what has been given to us.
Enjoy human consciousness andenjoy our every experience.
Freeze a moment and enjoy it.
I am.
Yes.
And love your local scientists.
Love your local.
Love your wife and your children too.
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Gotta Alright, and your scientist.
Thank you very much.
I welcome your commentsat the Logical Lawyer.
At gmail.com, the websiteis the logical attorney.me.
The book is a prosecutor's analysis ofPersonal supernatural experiences, and the
webpage is the supernatural attorney.net.
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My name is Bernie Brown.
I am the Logical Lawyer.
Welcome to The Logical Lawyer Podcast.
Today we have a special guest,Michael Williams, a retired
space satellite engineer.
He's not gonna tell us any top stuff.
It's not like s. Ef, how do you say that?
(01:42):
The guy's name ef, the onewho leaked all this stuff.
Yeah.
Hef.
Michael.
I dunno what you're talking about.
Michael.
See, Michael's very good.
He's not releasing anything, but todaywe're gonna talk about threats to the
existence of mankind, primarily nuclear.
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Oh, I mean this stuff
to me, I.
The most important thing toour existence is our existence.
True.
And if something threatensour existence or threatens the
existence of our descendants tocome, you know, that is important.
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That is the most crucial.
Thing that anyone can ever discuss.
And, and to me, nuclear war isthe most serious threat of all.
Michael, I see you, you looklike you wanna say something.
Well, I, I, uh, agree withyou partly, but you know, in.
Nuclear war can't happenwithout, uh, people.
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And I
think people are our biggest threat.
Oh, you're right Michael, you'regonna make me jump to the, to the
end very quickly because my, my endanalysis is people are not logical.
The logical lawyer is logical, but peopleare not always logical far from it.
Yes.
And that's.
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What leads to wars.
True.
And, and, but in any event mm-hmm.
There are other threats to, to humanity.
We won't be talking about those right.
At this time.
I mean, the meteors, poor dinosaurs,they, they wound up in extinction
because of a meteor came upon us.
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And that's another, yeah.
See, have a scientist.
Asteroids, viruses, globalwarming, volcanoes, ai.
Ugh.
You think so?
Well, that's what some ofthe scientists are saying.
They're saying that AI couldbecome self-conscious and then.
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You know, with the robots, you know,it's way, a little ways down the line.
Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
I'm, I'm less concernedabout that than I am.
I am about, uh, nuclear.
Right.
So that's, that's, I mean, the,as far as AI is concerned, I mean.
We're still beta beta testing,they're still using all of
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us to beta test that system.
Right.
I mean, every time we accessit, we're, we're helping them,
helping that system mature.
Yeah.
That's gonna take, that'sgonna take a long time.
You know, I, I'm not sure whetheryou use it or not, but you know,
you can, it will give you, uh,images or give you suggestions.
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But those would be to betaken just as suggestions.
Not not the last end all, becauseyou'll find fault in all of it
really, if you dig deeper enough.
So if you do images right, you'll seesomething where an image look kind
of funky and it'll come back and.
Ask you, is this what you meant?
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So see it, it's learning asyou are asking it, right?
And you say, well no, thatbird looks a little funny.
Can we change it?
And it'll come backwith another suggestion.
So that's all a learning process.
So if it was at the point whereit didn't, where it was at the
point where it was, I would say 90%accurate, we would be paying for it.
Right now we're helping them.
Helping them, you know,
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mature their ai.
I am so glad to hear you say that.
'cause these, these guys have scared me.
They say, oh, at some point it willhave access to all human intelligence
and then at some point it will developself-consciousness, self-awareness.
And when it does that, it may decide to.
Y mankind,
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you know, that's a lotof programming, right?
I mean, you know, recently the, theissue, uh, with that has been, uh, power.
Right.
I uhhuh someone like, um, Microsoft,they're developing, they, they are
buying their own power plant to powertheir AI system an entire power plant.
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Right.
So, and decided, they decidedto back off a little because
of all that tariffs, right.
That's going on.
Mm-hmm.
So they decided to delay that a little bitso that, uh, we can see where we're going.
But it just takes massive amountsof energy to do what they say
that they would like to do, right?
So you got, you know, fossil fuel,you have nuclear energy that's
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coming back, making it back, andyou know, all kinds of energy.
But it's going to take a massiveamount of energy to do what.
They, they're fantasizingabout at this point I'll say
I love it.
I love it.
It's just a fantasy.
But I do agree with you, with, on yourmain conclusion that the most serious
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threat to mankind is nuclear war.
Let me take you back.
You guys are young guys.
I remember, I rememberbeing in school, right?
I was in elementary school, and this alarmgoes off, you can hear it blocks away.
It was a drill alarm, a siren.
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A siren.
And, and we, and, and the teacherstops everything and tells us
to duck under the table and it.
It was a nuclear weapons drill.
Yeah.
So that was, oh man.
That was, you know, fantasy in itself.
Right.
So if you're under your desk,
you're right.
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Right.
It's not so bad.
We know, I mean, I mean, sadly,we're the only ones that ever, uh,
drop, uh, you know, a, a nuclearweapon on the country with Japan.
Right.
And that was, yeah.
Horrific.
And, uh, yeah.
You know, like, what was it, 50 or 60,000people in the instant of a few seconds.
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I failed to, uh, recall the, the number.
But yeah, it's a significant numberthat, uh, shattered countries
or, or areas of countries, right?
So, um, yeah, it, it, it's, it's,uh, devastating in nuclear war.
Uh, nuclear winter after that, right?
If you don't want to, oh man.
That evil.
So,
well, the thing that'sso terrifying, okay.
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First of all, the US has like5,000, 5,200 nuclear warheads and,
and, and Russia has like 5,900.
Nuclear Well war is right?
And the one GU bomb that theydropped on Hiroshima, it's like,
you know, it's like nothing comparedto the nuclear bombs we have now.
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Now they're, they're 50,20 times more powerful.
Right.
I, I think we have hydrogen bombs now.
They, that wasn't hydrogen mark.
Yeah, Tommy.
So, yes.
So we, uh, uh, but you know,fast forward from that.
I mean, what we're depending on ismutual assure destruction, right?
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That.
That is what everybody is dependingon that, you know, if, if, if you're
not gonna have this for yourself.
So if you launch, we're gonna launch it.
We're gonna just blow everything up.
Okay.
So define just, I know what it is,but define for the listening audience.
What is mutually assured destruction?
Well, mutual dis assured destructionis a principle that says that, uh,
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if you launch, I'm gonna launch andwe will surely destroy the world.
That's okay.
We'll destroy each other.
Yes.
So, so the logic is don'tlaunch because you're gonna get
yourself destroyed if you launch
against us.
Yeah.
So in the background, you know,everyone has, have been trying, has
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been trying to upset that balance.
Right.
And there's been several pointsin, I don't know, last few years
or uh, where, uh, technology has.
Help one side or another upsetthat, uh, balance with momentarily.
Right.
So I, I worked on, uh, where actually,where I, uh, worked on the B two
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farmer right at the beginning.
That's what it was, was a, aplatform for, uh, nuclear weapons.
Right.
But it decided, we decided.
Russia outta its, uh, militarybuildup because they couldn't, they
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couldn't, uh, continue to supplytheir, uh, military with funds.
Well, let's just give ourguests just a little background.
There are several means.
Of delivering nuclear weapons.
There's submarine based nuclear weaponsthat come out of the submarines.
There's all these submarines floatingaround, loaded with nuclear weapons.
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They're just waiting to fire them up.
Okay?
And then there's land-based nuclearweapons that are based on certain and in
certain areas where they're waiting aroundwaiting for somebody to press the button.
And then they're, uh, whatever.
Oh dude, like you said, the bombers,they're, they're, they're air base.
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Go
Air Force.
Go Air Force.
There we go.
Jesse.
Jesse's an Air Force man.
Is he?
Oh, he,
yeah.
So, and, and you know, bothsides are actually working on
space-based weapon tree as well.
Oh God.
So we are.
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It's covering a quite of,uh, quite a few areas.
You mentioned neutral, uh, mutuallyassured destruction, Uhhuh, what,
what does First Strike capabilityhave to do with nuclear assured?
Destruction.
Well, so, so that's theimbalance of it, right?
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First strike capability.
Get it unbalanced.
The mutual assure structure, becauseyou gotta hand up and each side is
working hard to get that leg up.
So like not hypersonic missiles.
It's like another phase where, youknow, if I get one before you get one,
you, you won't be able to shoot medown before I get to you because I'm
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now too fast and you can't track me.
Right.
Okay.
So we're constantly trying to offset that.
That balance both sides with technology.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now you, you, you scared me.
You scared me even more and morebecause now you're telling me, are you
telling me that one side might be ableto shoot up their nuclear weapons in
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like f and get it and deliver them?
To our continent within 20 minutes or 30minutes, and we not have time to respond.
Well, president Trump is out on thegolf course and having a good old time.
See, we're trying to keepthis, this conversation
intellectually intellectual.
I
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don't me.
So, yeah, so the, so the balance, right?
We're trying to each side, so we have,you remember when Reagan was in office,
he started this Star Wars thing, right?
Yes.
That's what that was about, really,was about us tracking and being
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able to shoot down missiles beforethey were able to get to us.
So what you trying to do is shootit down before it gets all the
warheads, uh, separated because itbe hard to track all the warhead.
So you wanna shoot it down before.
Point where the warheads separatebecause each missile probably carry,
I'm sure, carries multiple warheadsand designated different areas.
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Right?
So what you wanna do is be ableto get to it before that phase.
So, you know, we, we, uh.
Both sides are tracking eachother's whatever abilities and
progress to make sure that balanceisn't, uh, isn't taken away.
Well, let me, lemme just go, go back.
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I, mm-hmm.
Lemme go back just for just a minute.
So our listeners under.
Stand what we're talking about.
The one missile that wasdropped in Hiroshima.
Okay.
One missile killed like 50,000,70,000 people instantly.
Now, the missiles that the UnitedStates and Russia have, they have, and
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China as well,
and China and nine countries total, right?
They, they are like 50 times strongerthan one missile could destroy.
All of LA just boom and just one missile.
And, and, and, and Russiahas thousands of them.
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Well, many of them pointed straight at us.
Well, ready to go
more, more than that.
Each missile carry multiple warheads.
Oh God.
So each warhead could be designated to.
A different city.
Oh man.
Please.
You're making me cry.
You're making me cry.
So it's worse.
It's worse than uh, now.
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Well, you know, I think I, maybe,maybe we don't, maybe the, you
know, 'cause I've, I've read.
In the latest estimates that a full scalenuclear war between the United States and
Russia could result in 5 billion deaths,uh, you know, like 80, 90% of all mankind.
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And the reason why is not justbecause of the explosions.
No, but, but they call the nuclear winter.
Nuclear winter.
That will fall because there'll be allthe smoke that'll clog out the, the sky.
The, it'll be dark.
No crops will grow.
There'll be radiation.
People will be all burnt up and falling.
The, it'll just be ugly.
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Yeah.
Ugly, ugly,
ugly.
Right.
Gimme some hope, man.
I
don't
have
any hope.
I think that, uh, cooler heads haveto, uh, be put in a place where they
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can offset some of the hotheads, right?
So, uh, at this point, I'm, uh.
Uh, I'm not really optimistic.
I'm hoping that in thefuture talk will do better.
Uh, I think the internet is going toimplode eventually because I think people
are starting to understand that they,what they're reading on the internet is
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far from the truth and it's so, they'regetting so tired of trying to dig deep and
see, is this true or is that image real?
Or, you know, so before it was, it washard to get to so many people instantly,
but the internet, you know, has madethe world a lot smaller and it has
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placed, uh, you know, individual's,um, opinions at the same level.
Regardless of their, you know, expertise.
So my expertise in, in attorneylaw, I get on the podcast
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and say, yeah, I'm, I'm Mike.
I'm a, a space system engineer, buttoday I'm gonna talk a law and I'm
gonna tell you, lay the law down to you.
And tell you how the law really works.
So those lawyers out there that spentall that time in, you know, law school
and all that time, uh, debating, youknow, uh, cases and writing the law, they
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don't know what they're talking about.
I'm the guy, you arethe conspiracy theorist.
So, so I, I have you say, well,Mike, how much experience and as
being an attorney, do you have?
I don't have any, I just, Ijust know that it's not right.
What they tell you is not the truth.
Mm-hmm.
I have the truth.
Well, what evidence for truth, whileI said that I don't need evidence,
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I, you know, and, and my, in, in myopinion, it's just as good as Mr.
Bernie, who, who probably spent half ofhis life, if not more, in, in a court.
It, uh, performing attorney duties andall that stuff, but it doesn't matter.
Trust me, I'm, I'm theone you should listen to.
Yeah, I hear you.
Because, uh, you know,recently I have a few friends.
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We are now saying that the earth is flat.
They believe that they're, they'refollowing that conspiracy theory.
But that's another, that's another, youknow, there's all this stuff that's out
there and people are making all of these,uh, claims and people are believing.
Yeah.
And they have no, like you said, they haveno background, no evidence, nothing to
support it, but you're just making claims.
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But back to the issue.
What can we do?
You know, they used to havenuclear arms agreement.
I mean, well there are nuclear.
There wasn't a nuclear arms agreement.
Russia pulled outta it.
Salt.
Yeah.
And you know, I mean, what do youthink about this doomsday clock?
Oh, that, that, well, sothat's just a estimation.
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Um, that takes account into account thethreats, threat levels around the world.
And they just come up with an estimate of.
Will happen and how they thinkit's going to happen and how
close we are to nuclear war.
Right.
So it's just an estimation.
It's just somebody's guess.
I'm just wondering if you could lead amovement to, for Disarmorment Total World
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Disarmorment, could you lead that for us?
Yeah, so, so I would,
if it, if it was.
I mean, certainly I would, uh, gatherexperts that in the field, right?
Not necessarily just, uh, not politicians.
So since, since I'm science based,I would, uh, gather the scientists
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and have them come up with aplan and lead us out of this.
Uh, politicians, you know,for the most part are after.
Politicking, you know, so I, I wouldprefer to have a science-based method
that say, okay, uh, we will honoreach other's, uh, borders and, you
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know, but that's a peace movementthough, and that's hard to do.
Yeah, because it's always beengreed in the world, right?
Yes.
Again, it come back to us.
Yes.
It, it's greed.
It is so much, uh, greed inthe world, so always has been.
Well, I know at some
point, and I know you probably rock,your rock was bigger than his and Rock
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could do more damage with his rock than.
I, I know at some point they weretalking about, and you probably
can't tell us top secret stuff.
I know you can't, but theywere talking about these.
Yes, that's right.
Because they might show up atyour front door and we don't want,
the authorities may come, but anyevent, uh, you know, they were
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talking a while back about these.
Face base based lasers and all they were,they were just shooting missiles out of
the sky before they reached their targets.
Well, there were sub wars.
Yes.
They were setting that all up and Yeah.
And then all of a sudden theystopped talking about it.
Yeah.
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What would you like forthem to tell you, Bernie?
I'd like for them to tell me thatyes, it's out there and if anything
happens, they'll just shoot downall those enemy, um, nuclear weapons
before they get to our nation.
I'd love for them to tell me that.
Well, some people probably
will tell you that,
but, but the reality is
something else.
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Things work, uh, to a point.
But you know, so if you take like,um, the war in, in Ukraine, right?
So one of the things that we've beensupplying them is patriot missiles, right?
So that's what they do.
Ground base, the patriot missile isthey shoot down the missile, right?
(22:21):
And, uh, so, you know,there's stuff out there.
Hmm.
Well here, you know, Iwanna play with you, okay?
For, for just a few, few min moments.
Alright?
And war.
A war game, okay?
You wanna play a war game?
Sure, why not?
Who do you wanna be?
Putin or Trump?
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Neither.
Throwing cheese.
Two more?
Yeah.
Can we do two more?
I, I want more of whomever.
Okay.
Well, we'll just saythe US against Russia.
Okay.
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Okay.
Okay, so, so all of a sudden youhear, you know, you are sitting
there and your radar shows that.
Russia has launched a couple ofmissiles, a couple of nuclear
warheads are on the way.
Just two.
Uh, what do you do?
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Oh, we already know they launched 'em.
We already out there, uh, stopping them.
Yeah.
Yeah, we already do.
Oh, you would stop 'em.
We already, we already,we were already started.
I, I don't have to do anything.
We already started.
Oh, okay.
So once they launch, they're on theway and boom, they'll get stopped?
We, yes.
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Okay.
You don't think we we're blblind to what's going on, do you?
I think that, oh, I don't know.
I just, I'm just saying, well,you know, when I hear this,
just like it would befoolish if we were right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well,
it's just that when I hear this stuff,when they say that Ru Russian now
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has, and, and China, they now havehypersonic missiles that can get here
and they have submarine based missiles.
Then I wonder, well, I assume that thatmeans they have a first strike capability
and that we could not stop those missiles
on the way.
Well, let me ask you a question.
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What makes you have that assumption?
Because they're moving so damn fast.
Well, what makes you thinkyou can't move faster?
Because I don't know of anyweaponry that could move that.
Fast to intercept it, thatwould be that reliable.
Well, but, but, and here's the realquestion, but that's, see what I'm saying?
But that's not for, youknow, public consumption.
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Right?
I hear you.
But here's the real point.
Mm-hmm.
See, we're I just, myhypothetical was too missiles.
Right?
Okay.
Yeah.
But in reality, I don't.
See a scenario where Russia or theUnited States would ever just launch
two missiles against each other.
True.
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I think it would be allor nothing out of the
fear of retaliation.
Well, that depends onwhat they want to do.
Right.
If they wanna save something themselves.
I mean, it don't haveto be total destruction.
Mm-hmm.
And they wanna save themselves,so that's why the, you know, the
balance of power is so important.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Because yeah, if they could just knockout Washington, I mean, just like those
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planes, uh, were on their way to Pentagon,the way to Washington, uh, nine 11.
Right.
That would've been pretty hard tocome back from for a long time.
Foot and on planes marching because wewere with our pants down at that point.
(25:53):
Right.
More than I would like us to see.
So, um, so it doesn't have to be nuclear.
I mean, I, I worry about the, uh,threats inside the nation more
than inside, more than outside.
Oh, well you're, you're reassuring me.
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You're making a logical lawyer feel more,more comforted because I, Ima imagine of
thousands of these missiles headed towardthe US and us trying to intercept them and
just, you know, 200 get through and justdevastate us and then we're all messed up.
And then, but we do have,uh, missiles in, uh.
(26:35):
Because, you know, they targetthe land base first and, and
they're gonna target whatever theycan target, but they apparently
can't target like submarine base.
Those are hard to target.
So we could shoot back submarine missilesand we have missiles all over the world.
We have 'em in Italy and other space pot.
(26:55):
Well you mean, um, missile,
what was that?
But you, he can't, you, youwouldn't send a nuclear missile
out to shoot another missile down.
Oh, no, no.
I don't mean that.
I just Oh, okay.
Whatever it is to, yes, but I'm just,oh, I'm talking about retaliation now.
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Oh, that's too late.
We don't wanna retaliate.
We wanna, we, we wannastop it from happening.
Oh, okay.
We wanna stop it.
Right.
All right.
Well, that would, well, that wouldn'tbe the right, that wouldn't be the right
thing to work on to retaliation, right.
You wanna stop it in his tracks.
(27:41):
All right.
P, we here does Putin near this.
We wanna stop
it.
Yeah.
So if you are fast enough andquick enough, it, it basically
blows up over into our country.
Ah,
woo.
Well, that requires some realadvanced scientific technology.
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What, buddy?
That's what we do.
Oh, oh, oh, man.
Okay.
Oh, man.
Okay.
You see, I'm in.
Yeah, well, but that, that's, you know,if we could stop it, that would be great.
That'd be great.
(28:24):
I mean, that's our, you know,that, that's our purpose, right?
Is is not be, I'll just say ass out.
We were exposed.
I mean, that's what we do.
Alright.
Ways, I mean, oh fuck.
So examples of just, you know, yourcar GPS, I mean, how long ago was it
(28:46):
when you were sitting there readingthe map, trying to decide where to
go instead of punching in an addressand it's showing you which way to go?
And, and, and I'll say 90, I'llsay mine, 95% of the time is right.
I mean, sometimes it's not.
Yeah.
And you know, my daughters alwaystease, uh, myself and Carla because
we never, we kind of ignore itsometime and they said, well, it
(29:07):
trying to kill you way around traffic.
But you know, you were just so hard here.
You didn't go.
So people, I mean, how, howlong has it been since, uh,
we went through that, right?
Mm-hmm.
So if you think we, we, we went there andstopped and said, okay, we've done enough.
(29:28):
Now we can go back anddo some other things.
Uh, you know that that wouldn't be right.
Right.
So now we need something betterthan that to do other things with.
And, and usually if, usually if you gotsomething in, you know, in civilian life,
you know, you, you got the old stuff.
(29:51):
Wow.
All right.
Well Michael, you made me feel a lot.
So a lot more comfortable.
Now I'm gonna stop worrying aboutnuclear weapons and just start worrying
about that meteor that they say ison the way here to impact the earth.
The asteroid.
Yeah, so, I'm sorry, asteroid.
Asteroid.
Yeah.
So that's another, uh,favorite of mine, uh, too.
(30:15):
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
I'm a big, I'm a big, uh.
Let's say a follower of Neil deGrasseTyson, who is the, uh, world business.
Right.
And, uh, you know, he, uh,he's a pretty smart guy.
Oh yeah, he's smart.
Uh, uh, and they worked on thingsso, you know, we have sent, uh,
(30:40):
probes to asteroids, landed onasteroid, dug into the asteroid.
Uh, packed the soil or whatever back inthe pod and brought it back to earth.
You know how difficult that is.
You know, the con, the conspiracytheorists say that you use just all
cameras and make believe that, thatyou guys really didn't do that stuff.
(31:02):
Yeah, I know, but you know, at
some point.
You know, look or assess the individual.
Yes.
No matter how, uh, you know, it'scome, you gotta end a conversation
somewhere, uh, where it's like, youknow, this is not worth my time anymore.
(31:25):
Uh, that's what my wife tells me.
So why do you talk to those people, right?
Even as they, you know, lookup at the moon and it's like,
it ain't necessarily flat oreverything's just a flat round disc.
Yes.
Right.
So, uh, you know, the sies goes on.
(31:47):
But, but we, we've been ableto do that several times.
I mean, go out there and wepredicted where it would be.
We've sent things out there way out.
I mean, it's.
Out of our,
yeah.
They claim they believethey can explode it.
Something that will change thetraje trajectory of the asteroid.
Yes.
You keep it from hitting us and blowing us
(32:10):
up with all this uhhuh going theway of the dinosaurs, you know.
Yeah.
Alright.
Well all that stuff is known, right?
We, so we have just about mapped outour local space areas and, uh, we know
where stuff is and when it's gonna comeback again and how close it's gonna go.
Um, you know, we, we we're outthere looking James, you guys
(32:33):
out there looking way out there
of mine, James Webb.
Tell a story.
Way out there.
Just, just look back into time gathering,uh, data about how we got here, how
it's gonna end, and can we see someother planets out there where it's
like, you know, that's good stuffyou scientists are, and if we think
(32:58):
we're gonna around and worry about.
Putin.
I'm worried about Putin.
Well, we'll let you worry.
Somebody's got
Yes, you're right.
Somebody's gotta worry.
Even though I can't doanything about Putin.
No.
I'm still worried about worry for nothing.
Well, you know.
(33:19):
We're gonna come back again,uh, at another time, okay.
And, and resume this conversationabout other threats to humanity.
But Michael, you've mademe feel much better.
You know, uh, here's what I wannaleave with our listeners today.
Everybody everywhere set asidea moment, a day, a moment.
(33:42):
When you freeze, just freezeand appreciate what you have.
All the God-given stuff we have.
Just look at a cloud,look at the blue skies.
Look at your children.
Look at your children's children.
Look at the trees and theflowers, as they say, smell.
(34:03):
The roses and, and live in, you know,enjoy what has been given to us.
Enjoy human consciousness andenjoy our every experience.
Freeze a moment and enjoy it.
I am.
Yes.
And love your local scientists.
Love your local.
Love your wife and your children too.
(34:26):
Gotta Alright, and your scientist.
Thank you very much.
I welcome your commentsat the Logical Lawyer.
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webpage is the supernatural attorney.net.
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