EP 14 | Pastor Martin Sedra | Bold Faith, Real Islam, Marriage & The Cost of Truth - The Salt Podcast

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Imagine your dad preaching Jesusso boldly that the Muslim
Brotherhood plan to kidnap his family.
Not all Muslims are violent, butall Islam is violent.
They feel a supernatural hand. An Angel tie their hands behind
their head. What's the legacy that Martin
Cedra wants to leave behind? Like I tell people, evangelise
in the bedroom. What would you be your advice to
married couples in general? Stop nagging about your husband.

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Stop destroying your husband. You guys have a son, but he
struggles with homosexuality. If our pride parades don't get
cancelled, our country will be destroyed.
We really need to have lots of babies.
So anyone listening to it, not you you.
Can wait. I told her this is not the
package you're getting. I told her the package you're
getting is not just me, but you're getting my mission and
purpose. My dad says kids come and live

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and you'll come. We come.
What's going on? What is he?
What does he want? The Muslims.
Listen, this is the Salt Podcast.
The Salt Podcast. Let's pick up the Bible.
Let's read. Let's.
Pray because that's what Jesus called me to do.
The Lord makes you that salt of the earth.
We need Christians to share the truth, preserve the world for
Christ. May this podcast be a beacon of

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light this. Is the salt podcast.
Imagine your dad preaching Jesusso boldly that the Muslim
Brotherhood planned to kidnap his family, but God stopped
them. That's the story of today's
guest pastor, Martin Sedra. Now Martin, alongside his wife
Melissa, are building a church that isn't afraid to speak truth
and challenge culture and call people to real discipleship.

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Welcome to the salt podcast. I'm George Iskander.
With me, as always, is my lovelyCo host Simon Thomas Gilto.
But before we get started, I used to always make fun of
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please press subscribe, follow rate US.
Do give us the whole package. With that said, welcome Martin.
Great to have. You.
Thank you man. It's good to be surrounded by
Egyptian brothers. I know, very excited.
Didn't know you're Egyptian. Yeah, I thought I was lonely
here, man. No, no, we're we're all part of
the same family. Neither did the viewers.
Simon, full Egyptian man, same as same as me.

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I'm full Egyptian. Good to be here man.
Thank you for having. Me.
Thank you for coming. Let me start off by saying I've
watched a few of your reels and you have a real boldness and
conviction that you speak with. And it actually reminds me a
little bit of a guest that we had on our podcast, which is one
of our favorite guests actually.Bishop Maramari Emmanuel.
Have you ever had that kind of comparison before with your
boldness? Yeah, man, for sure.
People look at us and they're like, you got the crazy.

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You guys are extreme and they kind of call boldness, I guess,
arrogance or pride. But definitely man, people
think, I think they think all Christians that speak up like
Bishop Maramari are just crazy. I'm like, crazy with just normal
Christians, yeah. No 100%.
I mean, it's it's really sad that, you know, speaking the
truth now is labeled as something like that.
And actually I was watching the interview that you just had with

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your your wife Melissa and with Lila Rose and I'm AI always I'm
a huge fan of Lila Rose, by the way, and I think it was a great
episode. So everyone hasn't watched it.
Please tune in and watch it. But your wife actually mentioned
a really nice verse, which was Acts chapter 3 verse 13.
And she said, which actually says now when they see the

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boldness of Peter and John, theyperceived that they were
uneducated, untrained men. They marveled and they realized
that they had been with Jesus. And I never ever read that verse
in that way, that basically because of their boldness, that
means that they spend time with Jesus.
So that's what they perceive them to be.
Yeah, yeah, man. When you're in the presence of
God, it gives you courage. I am not scared.

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I used to be scared to preach myfirst sermon.
I did. I did at the age of 13.
Halfway through my sermon, I dropped my notes and I ran out
crying. I was terrified.
And then I go to my room and I said, Lord, I need your
presence. I need power.
I need courage. I need boldness.
And now when I get up on the pulpit, I don't care what people
think. We got so many hate comments.
We got so many people, you know,get offended at our message.
They're like, I'm on following you.

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I'm leaving you. And the temptation when people
hate you is to stop preaching the Bible.
It's so much easier to sugarcoatthe Bible and stop preaching
about hell, repentance, LGBTQ, abortion.
If we stop preaching that, people will like us.
If we stop preaching that, we'llhave a lot more followers.
We'll have a lot more people in our church.
But we decided we would rather have God be pleased with us than
men be pleased with us. We don't care what people think

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anymore. And I think Jesus gave his life
for me. I'm willing to give my life for
him. You can hate me.
You cannot like me. You can kill me if you want.
At the end of the day, man, I fear not man who can kill my
body. I fear God who can chuckle both
body and soul into hell. So when I touch that pulpit,
man, I'm going to burn, not withthe fear of man, I burn with the
fear of God. I just blow up.
You know, most Egyptians, we, the Muslims blow up literally, I

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blow up on the pulpit with the word of God, man, I blow up the
word of God. And, and the reason, by the way,
I'm passionate and bold is because I want people to get
saved. I'm not passionate and bold
because I'm arrogant. I'm thinking of the right guy
and everyone's wrong. I'm like, no, I know the power
and the word of God. And if you believe in what I'm
saying, it will set you free. If you believe in this gospel,
if you believe that Jesus away the truth and life, it will set

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you free. So why would I whisper it on the
pulpit? Like when I, I don't like when
preachers are so you know, they,they, they sound like they're
half asleep. They're like Jesus loves you.
And I'm like, bro, like, can youthey're going to hell.
You need to shout at these guys.Imagine someone walking over the
Cliff. You're going to be like, hey,
man, it's time to start walking off the Cliff.
You know, it's again. No, you'll be yelling at that
guy. And that's the way I view.
I'm like, Jesus is coming back. People are going to hell.

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So I'm going to preach with everything I got.
Well, I mean. We're definitely going to get
into that stage when you're very, very strong and powerful
when you're on the pulpit. But before we go into that,
let's give the viewers an understanding and a breakdown of
Martin's early life. So give us a 62nd sort of
breakdown. Who is Martin Sedra and how did
every. Yeah, yeah.
So we, we grew up born and raised in Egypt, Cairo, near the

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pyramids, man, that's where we grew up.
And I was born a Christian. My dad was a preacher, so he
preached to a lot of Muslims coming to Christ.
And we just grew up seeing my dad be bold and courageous, no
matter the cost. And in 2007, we came to
Australia as refugees escaping Islam.
We're going to die for the faith.
And we came here thinking, man, our life is over.

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We're left our country, left everything.
But later, do we know that our life was just getting started?
So now we've been here for the last 17 years or 18 years and
God has taken our church and ourfamily from glory to glory.
Now travelling the world, preaching across the globe,
Indonesia last month, USA, Brazil next week and Europe next
month. So God is just God is really
moving. So that's that's kind of our

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short story in 60 seconds. Wow, amazing.
I like that. And I'm really glad you
mentioned your dad, because there's a story we want to touch
on which is a very gripping story.
I heard that he was basically preaching and he converted the
wrong person. Yeah.
So I'll let you tell the story. Yeah, so Egypt's a Muslim
country. We grew up in a Muslim country
where you can be a Christian andyou guys would not.
You can be a Christian, you can worship Jesus, but you cannot

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dare speak against Muhammad. If you dare speak against
Muhammad or preach to a Muslim and convert them to
Christianity, your life is in danger.
In fact, in under Sharia law in Islam, apostates are killed.
So in Christianity, if you leaveChristianity, we're not going to
kill you. We're going to call you, we're
going to pray for you and I loveyou.
In Islam, if you leave Islam, you're an apostate and you must
be killed according to Muhammad.So my dad already was risking

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his life, risking their life while preaching to the Muslims.
And thousands of them were coming to Christ.
My dad preached the gospel, the truth of the Bible, thousand of
them were coming to Christ. And my dad ended up converting a
specific woman, and he didn't know she was, you know, a very
important person in his Muslim world.
My dad was preaching to a lot ofMuslims.
They were coming to Christ. And he preached one specific
lady. He didn't know her husband was a

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leader of a Muslim terrorist group.
He was preaching to her. That Muslim lady ended up
believing in Jesus and turning to Christ, leaving Islam,
getting baptized. And when her husband found out,
he was furious. And obviously instead of killing
his wife and going after his wife, he said, I'm going to go
off to the preacher that preached to his wife.
And he's like, how dare a pastorpreach to my wife and convert to
Christianity? So he finds out it's my dad.

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So he makes a strategy and a plan.
He's going to kidnap my brothersat the age of 5 and 9, behead
them, put them in a bag and sendit to my dad's front door.
That's how Muslims do it. They will torture you, they will
kill your kids, they will rape your wife, they will burn your
church. They will do something in order
to get back at you. And their plan was we're going
to kidnap my brothers at age of 5 and 9, behead them, put them
in the bag, send it to my dad toteach them, don't preach Jesus

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again. So the two men, he sends two men
to the bus stop, 7:00 in the morning when my brothers catch
the bus to school, they've studied them.
Now they're there 7:00 in the morning, about to get out of the
van. They see my brothers and as they
get up, try to get out of the van, They feel frozen in the
van. They can't move.
They don't know what's happening.
These guys have killed preachers, politicians.
A5 and a nine year old are like little insects to them.

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They kill them very easily. The two men are frozen in a van.
They're unable to get out. My brothers get on the school
bus. The school bus leaves and it's 2
Muslim men unfreezing them. They don't know what's going on.
They're angry at each other. They're like you coward.
They think they're frozen because they were fearful.
They're like you coward. They couldn't.
You couldn't kill that kid. The next day the boss sends 2
bigger men. The two bigger men now come and
he tells them you finished the job.

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They come in the van, 7:00 in the morning school bus.
They see my brothers 5:00 and 9:00 about to go on a school
bus. Now these two men are able to
get out of the van. And as they get out of the van,
they're standing right behind mybrothers now they're right
behind my mother, brothers and anything they got them.
And now as they go to grab them,they feel a supernatural hand
and Angel tie their hands behindtheir head.
Both these two Muslim terrorist group men find their hands tied

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behind their back and they don'tknow what's going on.
They're confused. They've killed many people
before and it's little 5 and 9 year old.
They can't lay their hands on them.
My brothers get on a school bus.The school bus leaves and they
unfreeze again. He goes to my dad's house,
knocks on the door and he tells them the story.
That's how we know what happened.
We wouldn't have known if this didn't happen.
And and and he says to them, theMuslim Brotherhood leader says

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to my dad, I tried to kill your children, but your God protected
them. And I'm Muslim Brotherhood
leader in the living room of ourhouse, gave his love to Christ,
gets baptized and is now a Christian.
And this is a story we this is alife we grew up in.
We grew up in our dad did not care if you were going to kill
him, all his children, he was going to preach Jesus no matter
the cost. And that's that's the way we
view things now. I don't care if you want to kill

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me. My Jesus is worthy to die for my
Jesus is worthy to lose everything for he gave his life
for me. I'll give my life for him.
So now when we come to Australia, we're preaching Jesus
and we're preaching people like,man, aren't you scared?
I'm like, scared of what? I'm like, I'm like, we're in
Australia. You have freedom to speak
Australia, America, the West, you have freedom of religion,
freedom of speech as if you're not going to use that to preach.

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I mean, at least I'm not gettingkilled for my faith.
You have preachers in Egypt who are not scared of losing their
head, but you have preachers in Australia who are scared of
losing followers. You have Christians in Egypt who
are not scared of losing their family and dying.
But then you come to Australia and everyone's scared of losing
a job. I'm like, you serious?
You're scared of losing your job?
I'm like, go to the Middle East and preach Jesus Christ.
Go to Iran, Iraq or Nigeria or somewhere around the world

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that's not Christian and watch what will happen to you.
So that's the world we come from.
So now when we're facing Australian hate or American
hate, we're like, man, this is baby, this is nothing.
What? You're going to unfollow me on
Instagram? Go for it.
You're not cutting my head off. So that's kind of the history
and people might think we're extreme.
I'm like, mate, we're not extreme.
You're just lukewarm. You are so lukewarm and you

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don't understand Christianity. The apostles, all of them died.
They died for Jesus Christ. They didn't get tickled for the
faith. They didn't get money for the
faith, fame and power and cameras and you know, and and
and lights on them. No, no, they actually like what
we have today is very easy in comparison to the apostles.
Peter was crucified upside down.Jordan was boiled, abandoned the
island of Patmos. So it's like, and we have it

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really easy and the least we cando is preach Jesus with
everything we got. I agree.
I agree. So the first time you your dad
told you that story or your mom told you that story, What what
did you feel? Man, I was like, I was like,
please stop preaching Jesus. I was like, I don't want to die
one time, man, I remember one time a guy, I was a little kid,
I was like maybe six or seven. I can't remember.

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One time I was a kid and somewhat a Muslim.
A Muslim guy leaves a, a knoted door with a number on him and
he's he writes on it to my dad. He's like, call me, stop
preaching or call me and see what's going to happen along
this lines. It's like a warning.
It's threatening to my dad. My dad decides he calls all the
kids in the living room, right. Most parents would hide this
from the kids. My dad says, kids come in living
room, come, we come. We're like, what's going on?

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What does he, what does he want?He, she reads a note with us and
he calls, He starts dialing the number.
He starts calling this guy, thisMuslim guy that's threatening
him if he doesn't stop preachingJesus.
My dad calls him, puts him on speaker and starts talking to
this guy. He's like, hey, it's Pastor
Karam. What were you saying?
And the Muslim guy's angry. He's like, stop preaching Jesus.
I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill your family.

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And he's furious going off. And my dad starts laughing.
And I mean, like, oh, really? What are you going to do again?
If I, if I, you know, if I, if Idon't stop preaching, if I, if I
don't stop preaching about Jesus.
And the Muslim guy's angry. He's furious because he, he
wants to terrorize you, right? That's the point of Islam.
That's why they attacked Bishop Mara Mara live on television.
They want to terrorize the church.
So they were meant to put fear in US.
But my dad said, no, I'm going to laugh.

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And by the end, my dad, my dad was like, TMA, I'm not going to
stop preaching Jesus. You can do whatever you want.
You can come after me. You will never be able to make
me stop preaching Jesus. And the Muslim guy end up
hanging up angry and furious. And that's where we grew up.
So I grew up with, you know, seeing Christians both for
Christ, and that's my first time.

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I was like, please stop preaching Jesus.
I don't want to die, man. I was like, I'm not married,
man. I'm a kid.
I'm still life ahead of me. Please relax, you know, relax.
And now I get it. He was just following Christ and
setting an example. For us, he didn't sugarcoat it
for you, which is which is interesting, you know, because
there are a lot of preachers that kind of do the dangerous
stuff but try and shelter the kids.
But exactly, he wanted you to togrow up knowing.

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That he wanted us to inherit hiscourage.
It's a double portion. You know Elijah gave a double
portion of anointing to Elijah. That's really what the parents
job is. It's to give your spirit to your
kids, to give the spirit of holiness to your kids, to give
the spirit of courage to your kids.
You're not just feeding them, you know some milk and you know
some food or whatever you feed them.
You're giving them spiritual inheritance, prayer, fasting,

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scriptures, church. You're giving them something a
lot more than that. And my dad gave us a lot more
than feeding us food. I've got a question for you.
At what point did did it become now where at first you're
obviously scared as anyone wouldbe, but at what point were you
like OK, I'm now willing to die for my faith no matter, no
matter the consequence. Was it at a certain age or was

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it an experience that happened to you maybe and not your?
Dad, Yeah, it was probably the age of 1213 I was when I
radically encounter Goddess. I was at a Christian camp and I
guess you know when you encounter God for yourself, not
because of your parents, my parents told me.
But then I had a radical encounter with God at this camp
and I got on my knees and I said, Lord, whatever you want
with me, use me to do it. And I remember I heard the voice

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of the Holy Spirit clearly tell me I will use you to preach my
word. And at the age of 12 or 13, and
I was like, God, please use me for your glory.
You know, when you have the desire, Lord use me.
I want to, I want more people toknow you.
And I was like, God, you can useme to clean the toilet, set up
chairs. I don't care what you, you do
with me. I didn't think I was going to be
preaching the last thing I thought I wasn't a good public
speaker. I was very shy.
I wasn't like my dad at all. I was a very shy guy in school.

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I didn't have much friends growing up in Egypt.
And and I said, Lord use me and he said, no, I'm going to use
you to preach. I thought you sure about that.
You sure you want to use me to preach?
I don't know how to speak. I started I had a lisp like me
and my brother Andrew. He's an amazing, amazing
preacher and anointed man. We, we had a lisp, you know,
lisp like the gospel, like it's like we couldn't say F properly.

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And I was like, God, you sure you're going to use me to preach
and man God? God, I guess, takes the weak
things of the world to shame thestrong and the foolish, shame
the wise. And that's what he did.
He took some little Arab kids from the middle of Cairo that
escaped for the life to shame the wise and to bring glory to
his name. That's really what he did.
And we thought, me and my family, we thought we were
coming, me and my family, when we escaped Islam from Egypt, we

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thought we were fleeing Egypt. We weren't fleeing, we were
getting sent. My God, this is what God showed
us. It's that we thought we were
coming as refugees. We weren't coming as refugees.
We were coming as reformers. We weren't fleeing Islam.
We were about to fight Islam. God flipped it around.
You know, when Joseph said to his brothers what you meant for
evil, God turned it for good. And Joseph thought he was

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getting sold into slavery, let alone he'd.
But then later on he found out that God sent him into Egypt
ahead to preserve his family. And that's what we realizing
now. It's not Muslims didn't send us
here. God sent us here.
And God had a plan from the beginning.
And sometimes the way God sends you out of your comfort is by
getting Pharaoh to chase you behind you right in, in, in, in
the wilderness. How did the, the Israel, the

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Hebrews, right? They all of a sudden when they
saw Pharaoh come behind them, they're like, we got to get out
of here and they started going and they believed in the C split
for them, but it wasn't if it wasn't for Pharaoh behind them,
they wouldn't have taken a step of faith and started running.
And we needed that thing behind us, the enemy.
And I guess the enemy was Islam to get us out of that country
into the land of Australia and the West.
And God turned up for Goodman. Now we're travelling, preaching

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around the world, warning America, Europe.
And I'll be in London next, nextyear in July at a conference
they said, I want you to warn our country about Islam.
I'm like, man, we were fleeing Islam.
Now we're fighting Islam. And that's the way the Kingdom
of God works. He turns around for his glory.
I also heard Melissa said something similar.
She said that she comes across as very bold, but she's also

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quite shy and it's and like, youknow, has social anxiety and
wasn't like that, but her preaching, she's extremely bold.
And I think it's true that God, just like he did with Moses, he
chose, you know, the weakness, your what you see as weakness.
So then all the glory goes to God because you know, personally
pride's not going to affect you because you said, hey, God, I
wasn't qualified. I wasn't.
You're calling me to do something that I can't do, so it

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must be you. And he gets all the glory.
You don't get it. And that's why Millie, my wife,
as well as you, exactly what yousaid, she was scared.
She used to, you know, after church when everybody's chatting
and hanging out and talking, sheused to go to the toilet because
she was so scared. And again, God tells, I'm going
to use you to preach. I'm going to use you to speak.
I'm going to use you to declare so that you're really going to
use me to be a mouthpiece for you on social media and to train

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woman and to teach woman and theways of God.
And that's what God does, man. He, he, he uses whoever he wants
for his glory and he gets the glory at the end.
I'm not, I don't get any credit for what we do, man.
I give all the glory back to God.
Great beautiful. So you know, you're you know,
you're a tool in God's hand justlike that's all we are and that
and that's the truth of the matter.
I want to touch as well on how how did you how did you meet

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your wife? Was it in the church or was it?
Was it outside? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I didn't meet her in a club, that's for sure.
You don't meet a wife in a club.I met her in church, definitely.
So we had that. It was actually that Christian
camp, that same Christian when you were 12.
Yeah. No, no, I was probably 15.
I just kept going to the camp. I like leave my wife at and I
just kept going. And about 1516 I met her and I

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started analyzing her life. You know, she wasn't just in
church. I, I opened her Bible and had
all the gay colours in it, you know, all her life was
highlighted. I was very happy with that
rainbow, you know, the highlighted rainbow, the good
rainbow and the good rainbow. You know, her Bible was
highlighted. God was using her.
She was holy, she was modest, she was teachable.
She wasn't a feminist. You know, I'm a woman that needs

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no man. She was a, you know, she was a
teachable, humble woman, yet shewas, she was a bold and
courageous woman when it came tothe things of God.
And I looked at another man. That's a woman I want man, she
needs a lot. Down 31 woman.
Let's go. And locked it down.
And I went to, I think at the age of 18.
I at the age of 18, I went to her after obviously, you know,
seeking counsel for my pastors and my leaders and analyzing a

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lot for a year, you know, not just going for it because I feel
the butterflies in my belly. And I went to and I said, hey,
you ready to get married? I was like, let's get to the
point. You ready to get married?
You want to go French? You're like, yeah, I'm ready,
let's go. And we got married at the age of
20 and we are very young at the age of 20.
We've been married eight years now.
And and I tell people, you know,when when you're single, you say
here I am Lord, send me. When you get married, it's no

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longer here I am. It's he we are send us.
And that's really our praying now.
It's not here I am Lord and hereyou are doing your own thing.
That's he we are send us and we're preaching and traveling
and discipling people together. And that's the way marriage
works. That's lovely.
I love that you guys are doing this together.
Does it kind of like, OK, she seems like very, very bold on

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stage, but she's not that bold off off screen, right.
So how do you guys kind of manage conflict?
Yeah. Of course, how do you?
Because you both seem like 2. You seem like 2 really like hot
heads or not hot heads but like really?
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm Arab.
I'm just like nature. No, I get you, I get you.
So the the question is, is is ifsome if your wife is bold and
courageous for God, does that mean she's a feminist behind the

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scenes? I don't submit to no man.
Don't talk to me like that. Don't tell me what to do.
No, I think, I think I think thethe the a godly woman knows how
to be bought for God, but knows how to honor a husband at the
same time. And most people don't get it
right. Your wife.
Most most wives. I watch the either a feminist.
I don't submit to no man. I don't honor my husband.
They're like a Jezebel spirit, right?

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I'm an unmarried, I'm a married woman, but I act like I'm not
married. My husband doesn't tell me what
to do. But then you have the other side
of women who are not meek and gentle, but they're shy.
They're shy and they're cowards.They're timid when it comes to
God. They're scared.
And I told my wife, I don't wantyou to be either of them.
I don't want you to be in the back line of the war.
I told my wife I'm not going outto defeat Goliath.
And you're staying in the tent. No, you're coming with me.

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You're going to take care of thehouse.
Don't get me wrong. My wife, before I got here, she
cooked me salmon. I had a really good meal.
Don't get me wrong, she cooked to me, she cleans the house, she
manages the house and she's submissive to me and in
conflict. She's very honoring.
But I tell when you get on that pulpit, I tell her blow up, I'll
tell when you get up on that pulpit, don't you dare.
When you speak on behalf of God,don't you there be shy, don't be
weak, don't be timid. You represent God.

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And in the last days, Acts 2 says in the last days I will
pour out my spirit on your sons and your daughters and they
shall prophecy. So I tell it's not just me, it's
you as well. God has a plan for you.
So it's it's, it's submissive. She's honouring.
But I tell her go, go fight. Go fight the enemy and let's
defeat the Kingdom of Darkness together.
You empower her, but did you ever think long term from when

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you guys were 20 that this wouldbe the goal, that this would be
where you guys? Would well, my when I got
married to Millie, I told, I told her, look, I was, I'm an
emotional guy. So, you know, I was a very gay
kid. Not gay, literally like, you
know, emotionally, like, like all my listeners an object.
I was, I was an emotional guy, you know, but at the same time I
I use analytics and and and I analyze.
I love Millie with, you know, myemotion.

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I was attracted to her, but I did have the overarching
umbrella of our marriage And thereason I chose to marry her was
not because I liked her the way she looks or I, you know, we got
along together and that's why a lot of young people, they get
married because they get along. She makes me happy.
She loves all my jokes. I'm like, mate, some point she's
going to, you know, be very angry at you, you know, love
your jokes and something more than than the laughter and the

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emotionalism and and then the butterflies in your belly is
going to have to sustain your marriage.
And what sustained our marriage is, is it's it's wisdom and the
mission and the purpose of God. So when I before, before I got
married to Millie, I went up to and I told her, Hey, I want you
to know what you're signing up for, right?
I told her, I know I look like agood looking guy and I got my 6
back. And you know, I told her, I told
her, I told her, this is not thepackage you're getting.

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I told her the package you're getting is not just me, but
you're getting my mission and purpose.
And that's what a lot of men don't tell their wives, right?
They get married and a wife is like, you know, what are we
doing? Well, I want to preach.
What preach? Are you serious?
I want to go to India and be missionary.
What missionary? Are you serious?
And it's like, no man, if you'regoing to get married to someone,
you're not just marrying their looks, you're also marrying the
character. You're marrying their, their
faith, you're marrying their goals and machines, everything

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of them. So when I got met, before we got
married to Millie, I told her, Millie, just so you know, I'm
caught to be a preacher. And I told her, what does that
look like for you? I told her your friends that are
engineers and you know, businessman and all that stuff,
they might own houses, cars, Ferraris.
I told her as a preacher, I might not own that.
I thought as a preacher, we might not own a house.
I told her we might not have money.
I told her we, we might not be rich like your friends.

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And that's the purpose. And that's a, and I didn't tell
her I'm going to be poor. I just told her, I'm not sure
what that looks like. We might own a house.
We might not own a house, but I told her you're ready to commit
to to the journey God has for me.
And she said yes. And when she said yes, I'm like,
let's go. I'm like, come on my lap or come
on my back and let's, I'll take you for a run.
Let's let's go, come with me. But it's not it's we didn't get
married for emotions. We got married for the Kingdom

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of God. It's here.
I it's not here I am anymore. It's he we are send us.
And that's why anyone not married listening.
You need to be very careful who you marry because that person
will either be a Delilah that steals your vision, like
Samson's eyes were literally plucked out because of who they
married, or they're going to be a Sarah, a Sarah, a mother to

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the purpose that God gave you. So we don't just get married
because of emotions. We get married because of the
purpose of God. It's not even about you anymore.
It's really not about you. My marriage, I enjoy it, you
know, I love it, I love it. It's awesome.
By the end of the day, man, it'sabout building the Kingdom of
God, building the Kingdom of God, having godly children,
leaving a legacy and taking people to heaven, ripping the

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Kingdom of darkness to shreds together and going to the
Kingdom of God. So.
Well, with that said, you guys kind of your work is kind of
your spirituality in a sense. So do you ever find that, you
know, it becomes where do you separate work and then your own
spiritual life? Because it's kind of the same,
Like when you're reading the Bible to prepare for a sermon,
she's also doing the same thing and she's got the same mission.

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So how do you work on your own spiritual life where it's not,
hey, I'm working for my mission,but it's actually working for
our bond relationship? With God, right?
Yeah. No, 100%.
A lot of preachers get stuck in there.
I've got to study every week andit becomes like a religious
routine that they do and I forget the Lord.
And I think that the most important thing is for every as
a preacher is for me to have my own time with God.

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And that time is not about preparing my sermon.
It's not about preparing for a podcast.
It's not about preparing for, you know something, I'm speaking
out. It's just me and the Lord, just
me and God in my room every day,one hour a day, seeking God,
worship, prayer, reading the Scripture and let it allowing
God to speak to me, me personally about my life, about
my marriage and the moment. Every time I read it becomes a

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sermon before it becomes a sermon in my own life.
That's how I know there's something wrong.
So and fasting as a pastor, obviously for me, it's very
important fasting because it's about making sure that you do
things that no one else will see, because preparing A sermon,
the world will see that, but fasting and praying, nobody will
see that. And I'll make sure that the
things I'm doing behind the scenes, fasting, prayer, that

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that is my devotion to God to show God that I love you.
It's my relation with you. It's not just my relationship
with the church. What would be your advice to
someone who, let's say they are trying to get closer to God each
and every single day? But just like with anything, not
comparing it to say, the gym, but at the start when you go to
the gym, there's a honeymoon phrase.
I love training. I love training.

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But then it slowly dips away. And then you either choose the
discipline route or you just sayI'll skip a day.
I'll skip a day. Yeah.
What do you What would you say to someone who's trying to
actively gain a better relationship with Jesus?
But it's just sometimes it. Feels sleeps.
Yeah. And by the way, you don't need
to feel like loving Jesus to love Jesus, right?
Jesus said if you love me, you will obey my commandments.

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That's a beautiful thing. Jesus not like an insecure girl
or you don't love me. You didn't buy me flowers.
You know you don't feel for me. He's not about your emotion and
feeling. It's about obedience.
Even if you don't feel like you love Jesus or you feel like
you're distant from God. No, I don't live by my feelings.
We don't live by sight. We live by faith and and and my
love for God is not determined by my emotion is not determined

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by my season. That's why Job in the Bible,
right when he's eleven of his children died, he lost his house
and and everything. What does he do?
He gets on his knees and says the Lord takes and the Lord
gives may the name of the Lord be praised.
You really think you felt like praising God then no way he
didn't feel like praising God. No way his kids just died.
He'll feel like cursing God. In fact, his wife said curse
God. He said, you foolish woman, how

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can I curse God? He would have felt like cursing
God. How Job wasn't an Angel.
He obviously would have felt like cursing God.
How dare you take my kids? But he made a decision to love
and worship him rather than curse him.
So it's you don't need to feel like going to church to go to
church. You don't need to feel like
reading the Bible to read your Bible.
It's a discipline. Exactly as you said.
You go to the gym every day. I don't feel like it, but I'm
going to do it. Beautiful.

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So what would you be your adviceto married couples in general?
Not necessarily preacher couples, but like in general.
What's your number one advice tokeep a healthy marriage?
Yeah, seek the Kingdom of God. Seek first the Kingdom of God
above all else and his righteousness and everything
else will be added. I think that the thing about
marriage is you're always going to be fighting something.

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As a married. We were designed with like this
aggressive spirit that we have. We want to fight and destroy
something. And what ends up happening in
marriage, couples, if you, if your marriage is always arguing
and you're always fighting with each other, it's very simple.
Change the arguing and the fighting.
Stop fighting each other and start fighting the Kingdom of
hell together. You're going to fight whether
you like it or not. You're going to fight someone or

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something. And people have found that
couples that don't go to church together, they don't have a
mission together, they don't have something to build
together. They end up fighting each other.
But me and my wife, when we fight, we always say this in
light of eternity and the mission of God, does this
matter? Does this matter?
No, it doesn't matter. We have a mission to build.
So I, I would say the first thing is get in a church.

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If you're not in a church, your marriage is not going to make
it. You have to be in a church.
Every married couple Sunday belongs to the Lord.
It does not belong to your sport, does not belong to a
wedding. It does not belong to your
friend or anything. It belongs to God.
You have 52 Sundays in a year. How dare you skip a Sunday for a
wedding or a sport? No, it belongs to God.
Go to the House of God, have regular reading the Bible

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together. This is very important.
Once a week as a family, read the scripture together, have
dinners together, have a date night together.
It's very important when you grow up, you know, when you have
a lot of kids, you forget date night.
Notice she's still your wife. She's not just your roommate,
she's your wife. So having a date night together,
loving her and getting a missiontogether, serving on the same
team at church, building church together, building a business

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together or something. Allow yourself to build the
Kingdom of God rather than destroy each other.
Destroy the Kingdom of hell rather than destroy your husband
and wife. That's what I would say.
So I saw also on that point, there was a real way you
discussed the the verse where itsays it's better to live in a
corner of a house than to live with a nagging with a nagging on
contentious woman. So what?
What's your advice? Let me get your advice for a

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woman and let me get your advicefor a man.
Yeah, in terms of. Yeah.
Yeah, how they should behave. Yeah, a lot of wives are very
bad naggers. They just nag their husband all
the time. Nag nag.
Nag my wife's amazing just. Talking.
My wife's gonna pick too. Neither.
Of you guys can talk to you are.You married No, no, it's OK
don't marry a nagging woman or abit of.
A running, running joke on our podcast that Simon's single SO.

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You're singer ready to mingle. It's not a joke, don't worry man
keeps mentioning it for. Something oh man, you're you're
a man. Hey, he's single guys, if you're
listening, make sure. I need to visit Echo Church.
Yeah, man, we've got a lot of. Single Ladies back on the
podcast guys so. What's a marriage counsel?
No, I will say to the woman, stop nagging.
Stop nagging about your husband.Stop.

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Stop destroying your husband. God did not give you your mouth
to destroy and tear down your husband, that your husband
already has the world trying to tear him down.
He already has his own mind and thoughts trying to tear him
down. He already has his friends or
colleagues or his boss trying totear him down, and he has the
Kingdom of darkness trying to tear him down.
So if your wife on top of that is nagging and always trying to
tear you down and you're so bad,you're doing this, you do this.

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I'm like, man, you're you're you're destroying me and I need
you. And that's why in the garden,
right? What did God say about Adam?
He said it's no good for a man to be alone.
I would create a helper. He didn't create a nagger.
He didn't create a Karen. That should tell me off all the
time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He created a helper, which meansyour main priority as my wife is
to help me. Which means when I'm struggling,
you pick me up. When I'm weak, you pray for me,

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you fast for me. You, you, you, you help me out
when I get home. Don't be nagging to me.
And I'm not saying if you have aproblem with your husband and
don't bring it up, it's it's when do you bring it up and how
do you bring it up? You do in an honoring way.
Don't raise your don't don't don't raise your your voice at
your husband. He's not your best friend.
He's actually according to the Bible.
He's your leader. Like woman will get angry at me,
but he's your Lord. If you want to read, you know,

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Sarah called Abraham Lord. He's actually a leader.
Your job is to respect him, submit to him, honor him and
help him. And if you disagree with
something, no drama, go to him and go to him and say Hey, hey,
I don't like the way you did this and deal with it.
Go back and forth and to husbands I would say as well.
Sorry on that point exactly whatyou said 100% agree with and The
thing is what what maybe some women don't realize is when your

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wife builds you up, you feel like you can take over the whole
world. It is the strangest thing
anytime you get that positive, you know, building up or
reassurance from your wife, likeall the problems disappear.
You might be stressed, you mighthave work things, you might have
100 things on your plate, but assoon as your wife gives you that
support and and that like empowerment, I feel like you can

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do anything. You nailed it exactly.
If my wife is next to me, man, if I got the Holy Spirit and my
wife, I'm good. I'm ready to ramble.
Let's go. But when your wife, man, when
the person you sleep next to is against you, swearing at you,
cussing at you, I'm like, man, what am I meant to do here?
And and I wouldn't be here if itwasn't for my wife, if it wasn't
for my life, Millicent, I would not be the preacher I am.
I would not be the man I am. I would not be the pastor I am.

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I would not be able to do what I'm doing.
She is my greatest helper. I always tell people this.
If there's one person I would want to hire, it would be my
wife. If if I if there's one person I
would want to to do life with, to work with, to do the mission
of God with, it would be my wife.
She's my greatest helper. She prays for me.
She for me, she, she covers my mistakes.
Remember, I'm not perfect. I make a lot of mistakes as a

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dumb guy. Sometimes stupid men, right?
We're trying to be. We're trying to lead you in ways
of the Lord. But sometimes I might make a
mistake and make a wrong decision.
That doesn't mean you got to push me down on it.
You can tell me, hey, that was wrong.
But man, cover my mistakes, cover my faults, pray for me,
carry me and and you will see your husband will be able to as
you respect him and honor him, you will see how much better of

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a husband he will become. Exactly.
He will be the most loving husband too.
But what ends up happening is the devil.
The devil ends up making you, both the man and the woman, the
greatest enemies of each other. Literally, it's like it's
instead of Adam and Eve that, you know, the greatest enemy
being the serpent, they become the greatest enemy.
And and that's when marriages get destroyed.
And that's why 50% of marriages end up in divorce, because the

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devil got in your head and he's like, she's your enemy.
He's your enemy. No, they're not my enemy.
We might disagree on something, whether that never means she's
my enemy. And I tell people it's, it's,
you know, that I love arguing with my wife.
You know, some people don't likeit.
I love arguing. I tell people when we argue,
it's amazing because the arguingis, is, is showing us where

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we're not united yet. And if we deal with this arguing
or disagreement, we can get moreunited.
I tell people it's like, you know, some people when they
argue that, oh, my goodness, my marriage is over.
What am I going to do? I thought he was the best guy.
And why are we arguing all the time?
I'm like, relax, it's all right.Arguing is extremely normal.
Disagreement, disagreement is extremely normal.
The question isn't are you arguing, disagreeing, agreeing,
it's how you're doing it. Are you raising your voice and

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are you, you know, cussing in? Are you losing control?
You're raging, Are you leaving the house and slamming the door?
That's wrong. The Bible doesn't say don't get
angry. It says in your anger, do not
sin. So it's OK to disagree with each
other. The question is, how do you do
it? And and I love Jesus and Peter.
That was the greatest example. Like Jesus had three closest
disciples, right, John, James and Peter and you would think

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they would have the best relationship, but Jesus had a
very big disagreement with with Peter.
Peter, Jesus says to Peter, Hey,the son of man must be handed
over and be crucified. And Peter says, no, Lord, you
that shall never happen to you. You're not going to the cross.
And what does Jesus say to him? He says, get behind me.
And what a disagreement. I mean, what a disagreement and,
and and let and still later on you see that Peter was one of

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the closest and most united disciples to Jesus.
In fact, when he wanted to crucify him, Peter was so united
in love with Christ, he said, don't crucify me.
I don't deserve to die like my Messiah.
Crucify me upside down. And what you see here is that
the the tension led to a greaterunity.
And that's what can happen in marriage is your tension can be
lead to a greater unity. At the end, your wife might be
crying. Well, my mate, I'm I'm glad I'm

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like this was a good argument. I was like, we reach a better
unity and we're better from it. It's a good.
Good frame of mind and I think the the take home message is
women, if you're not getting thebest out of your husband, change
your tactic and just try it. Just give it a go.
Try building him up and see if that actually has an effect
rather than tearing him down. Exactly and and to the husbands,

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don't abuse your authority and beat your wife down.
So now this is the opposite extreme, especially us from
Egypt in Egypt's the opposite extreme.
It's not the feminist woman. You got the domineering man, the
man who was like an ape. You know me man, you woman me
speak. You do.
It's like it's like relax. Like you're not an ape, you're a
man. Relax.
It's like you know this. Men are always angry all the
time. I'm the man, I'm the marcher
man. I'm like, mate, what makes your

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man is not your beat, all your arms or your genitals like act
like a man. And the way to act like a man is
you're bold and courageous, but you also know how to lead your
wife with love and gentleness and meekness.
Your wife is not your homeboy and your brother.
You can't be, you know, treatingher like your brother.
He's not your Arab. She's not your Arab cousin.
She's your wife. You got to deal with her with
gentleness, with love, with meekness, and you got to talk to

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her in a different way than you talk to your Bros and don't lead
her from a place of domineering.If you beat your wife up, God
will come after you because that's his daughter.
That like a lot of a lot of a lot of Arab men, they beat their
wife up. They're like I'm the man and
they hit their wife. The Muslim world, Muhammad
commands the men to beat the wife up.
Literally Muhammad in the Quran says beat your wife up if she

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disobey it beige you. That's not the Kingdom of God at
all. We, we don't, we don't do that.
My wife is not my slave. She is my treasure.
My job is to love her, protect her, cherish her, provide for
her and love her with everythingthat I've got.
So though I'm her leader and sheought to submit to me, I'm not
domineering and abusing my leadership for my authority or
submit to me because I'm the mansubmit to me and all of a sudden
the decision she's submitting toyou in is about your benefit.

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No, every time my wife submits to me, she submitted to me about
a decision I made about her happiness.
It's, it's every decision I'm making.
I'm thinking about what's best for her, what's best for her,
her spiritual health, what's best for her physical health.
So she's not submitting to you for your benefit, she's
submitting to you for her benefit.
And that's the way the Kingdom of God works.
It's this beautiful way of the husband is leading with love,

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with selflessness, right? Laying his life down, laying his
body down for his wife. But the wife is leading from
meekness, gentleness, honor, andsubmission to her husband.
And that's the way the marriage works.
If the man acts like an ape, it's not going to work.
And if the woman acts like Jezebel, it's not going to work.
You articulate it very well. I can't wait for you to have
kids so then you can give advice.
I'm excited man. I'm excited.
I'm going to have six kids and beat the Muslims.

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Don't worry about it. So no, it's good, man.
And yeah, man, we're we're, we believe marriages need to be
strong, man. And the Muslims are doing it
very well. By the way, when it comes, we're
talking. I don't know if you want to go
there. Yeah, we can.
The Muslims are going crazy, man, with having babies.
And to all my people listening when it comes to babies, man,
the the Islam is the fastest growing religion.

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Christianity. We're at 2.7 billion Christians
around the world. Islam's at 1.8 billion Muslims
around the world. So we're still the biggest
religion, but Islam is the fastest growing religion and the
same by 2050, Islam might overtake Christianity not
because of conversion but by procreation.
They're having so many babies, right, you were saying.
We're saying that basically Muhammad was very smart warlord

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and his, his strategy for one man to have four wives is just
a, a war strategy. It's winning by numbers, you
know, by population. And you're right, a lot of
Christian families, unfortunately, as you mentioned
on the Lila Rose interview, you're saying that, you know, we
average, maybe have two kids Max, right.
And I think it's getting less and less and less.
And as you were saying, also a lot of the Western Christians

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like we're, we're in a position where, you know, we're aborting
a million babies in the US, Australia's a few 100,000 that
we're aborting. So we're actually getting rid of
our, our what God told us to do,which was to multiply.
And our, you know, on the other side, the Muslims are actually
growing at an extremely fast rate.
Exactly. So wow.
So while Christians are abortingtheir babies, as you said, we're

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aborting our babies, next is thefeminist movement are saying I'm
too busy to have a baby. I'm an entrepreneur, I got a
business. I don't have time for that.
I can have one baby only or I can't have any babies.
Feminism. Then you have the transgender
movement where Christians, the kid, are cutting their body
parts, which means they can't have babies at all.
So you have all these demonic strategies coming against the
church. Meanwhile, while we're aborting

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our babies, transitioning our kids, and the feminists saying
only have one baby, the Muslims are having at least four babies.
And as you said, Muhammad says the man should have 4 wives.
So you do the mathematics. 4 wives, 4 babies, 4 * 4 is 16 if
you go to mathematics. So we're left with one or two
babies, they're left with 16. So do the religious mathematics,
which most people don't think about.
There's something called religious mathematics.

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Well, let's do the math. If you started in school, who's
going to win by 2050? It's going to be the Muslims,
unless we grow by procreation. And a lot of Christians, you
know, they're like, oh, we got to evangelize and make disciples
and go into all the world. And you know, we got to grow
that way. And it's true.
Christianity grows in two ways. We grow by conversion and
procreation. We grow in two ways, people
coming to Christ, evangelism, but also by having babies and

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and, and, and, and it is a commandment to have babies.
It's not even an option for married couple.
Even if you can't have babies, go do I don't know what you need
to do have babies. If you need to adopt, you have
babies. If you need to be a spiritual
father, it is a commandment. The first commandment given to
Adam and Eve was be fruitful andmultiply.
And last time I checked, multiplication is not one or
two. I don't know, I might be wrong,

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but I just think multiplication is not one or two.
I think multiplication at least 3-4, I would say.
So I think, and that's the problem, by the way, in the West
is that we viewed babies as a burden.
And obviously, you know, we weretalking about it before.
Parenting is hard, parenting is very hard.
I talked parenting is very hard and it's painful and you know,

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early mornings, late nights, whatever.
But I think if we can, I think if, if, if people listening to
me now, if you can change your mindset that the child is a
burden to a blessing or the child is, you know, it's
painful. I know it's painful, but that's
how you get growth and that's how you get blessing.
No great blessing comes with that pain.
So I, I think, I think it's timefor Christians to really

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multiply. We don't even forget conversion,
just have lots of babies. Like I tell people evangelize in
the bedroom. Like I think, I think what, like
you're literally as you're having a baby, you're
evangelizing, you're, you're growing the Kingdom of God.
No, if you're not married, you're not evangelizing, you're
going to hell. No, I'm joking.
If you are married, you're evangelizing in the bedroom.

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You're literally having lots of babies and you're growing.
Well, remember, by the way, Pharaoh in the Bible, Pharaoh
and Old Testament, he didn't fair didn't fear the Hebrews
because of conversions. He feared the Hebrews because of
procreation. They were having so many babies
when he read it right, that's what he's every first boy.
He wasn't worried about conversion.
They weren't trying to cover anybody.
No preaching, no churches, no podcasts, nothing.

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They were just having babies andthe Kingdom of darkness does
fear procreation. And that's why, by the way, Acts
2, it says in last days, I will pour out my spirit on your sons
and daughters. The devil knows that the threat
are your sons and daughters. It is your sons and daughters.
So what do you want To kill them?
Let's kill them. Why?
If I kill them, no spirit falls on them.
But if I, if they have that babyand they raise them up in the

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House of God, mate, good luck. My kid will be a little Billy
Graham. My kid will be a little, you
know, a little, a little, I don't know, man.
Charles Spurgeon, you better believe my kid is not going to
be a dud. My kids.
I'm going to make this kid a warrior for the Kingdom of God.
I'm not, I'm not just going to make him a businessman.
I'm going to make him a mighty warrior for the Kingdom.
So. It's crazy when you actually
stop and, and think about thingslike really analytically, like

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you see that this is all part ofthe devil's plan.
Everything like you're saying isit's, it's such a tactic to, to,
to, to have us, you know, aborting our babies or, you
know, the feminist movement or all that.
It's all these strategies just to to stop us from from
accomplishing our goal. Exactly.
And by the way, if we don't havebabies, who are going to be the
future preachers, who are going to be the future prophets, Who

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are going to be the future politicians who around the
country godly. We need godly politicians.
We need godly businessmen. We need godly podcasts and, and
church leaders. We need that.
Where are they? We're killing them all.
We're literally killing them all.
It's, it's in our womb. And by the way, I was listening
to an imam. I was listening to a Muslim imam
and a Muslim preacher, he said, he said the Muslim preacher said

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there are three ways we will take over the West, Three ways
Islam will take over the West. He said number one, through the
womb of the woman, the Muslim preacher, He said through the
womb of the woman. He said our womb versus your
womb. He said watch what we do.
He said the womb of the Muslim woman will be filled with four
or five babies, while the womb of the Christian woman in the
West are filled with one, or it's filled with a butcher baby.

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So he said the way, first way we're going to take over the
West is by the womb of the woman#2 through immigration.
He said we're going to migrate to Christian nations.
We're going to leave the Muslim countries, and we're going to
come to Christian nations like you and I.
We're Christians are migrated toa Christian country, right?
The Muslims, they don't migrate to a Muslim country, they
migrate to a Christian country for some reason, but they hate
the Christian country that they migrated in and they're getting

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Centrelink from. I'm like, really?
You really hate that country? We're giving you money and you
hate it really. And #3 he said we're going to
take over the West, Australia, America and Europe through the
tolerance and the weakness of the church.
He said they're so weak, they'reso woke, they're so there's
timid. They're don't preach the Bible
and we really need to have lots of babies.
So anyone listening to it, not you you.

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Can wait. But you are going to have lots
of babies. I've been listening, finally got
me. Then it's like, not usually, you
know what I'm saying? Like.
Babes. Moral of the story, if you're
just shooting to the podcast andif you're married, have babies,
have babies right now. As soon as possible, we'll give
you a 5 minute break. 5 minute break.
Right. So the two topics that I, I
think you talk about that you'vegone quite viral for is

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obviously Islam, which we've touched on and the L GB TQIAH.
GTV. There's a lot.
So there's a. So what I want to do is quickly,
if we can get on the screen, we're just going to show one of
the one of your reels where you talk about it and then we'll
discuss it a little bit. So we'll start with the one
about the LGBTQ. God said put the blood of the

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lamb over the doorposts of your house, and now they're not
putting the blood of the lamb over the doorposts of their
house. They're putting the bride flag
over the doorpost of their house.
The bride flag is over homes. This is demonic because God says
cover your house with the blood of Christ.
Cover your house with a sign that the lamb was slaughtered in
your behalf. Now comes the devil and says

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actually I'm putting the bright flag over my house.
I Passover the blood of the lambwith a sign for judgement and
death to Passover. But bright flag is a sign for
judgement and death to come in bride proceeds, destruction and
pride will keep you out of the Kingdom of God.
The only way to escape the wrathof God is to RIP this flag off,

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Shuck it in the bin, and apply the blood of Jesus.
Once again. The only way to escape the wrath
of God, the only way to escape the judgment of God, is to get
rid of the pride out of your life, get rid of the pride out
of your family, get rid of the pride out of your mind, and rely
on the blood of Jesus. Deep, deep, strong.

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So have you ever been cancelled for for something like this?
A. 100% people, people don't like it.
People like you got to accept everybody and you know, you got
to tolerate everything and affirm everything in life.
Brother, I'm a Christian. I don't affirm what you like.
I affirm what the Bible says. And by the way, this this, what
Australia and America need to understand is if we don't repent

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of our pride and if our pride parades don't get cancelled, our
country will be destroyed. And I know it sounds crazy to
say if we don't RIP every pride flag out of our churches, our
families, our homes, our nation,our government buildings, if we
don't stop painting these pride flags across the streets, God
will destroy our country. And it might sound crazy, I'm

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not crazy, I'm biblical. Literally the Bible says pride
precedes destruction. I'm not sure what else you need.
Whenever you see pride, destruction is right behind it.
And Australia needs to understand if you don't get rid
of these pride flags, God will destroy your country.
And God's patience is not God's tolerance, God being silent for
a little bit. God being silent about the sin
of Australia does not mean God is pleased with it.

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That doesn't mean God is happy with it.
What that means biblically and theologically speaking, is that
God has a cop in heaven called the cop of the wrath of God.
And that cop is getting filled and God is not going to pour his
wrath out. But once that cop gets filled,
once the sin of Australia becomes so great like the
Canaanites, God will pour his wrath out.
And you don't want to mess with the God of the Bible.
And Australia needs to understand pride proceeds

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instruction. I can't believe we have a whole
month in Australia where we celebrate pride.
Like why did, why did the LGBTQ movement not call themselves the
Unicorn movement? Like, like it's more pretty like
unicorns or the, the pretty movement or the color movement.
Like why pride, right, right, right.
Out of all the names you pick pride like, and you must say,
oh, it was an accent. No, it was an accent.

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The devil created that word. The devil knows the devil fell
from heaven. He was kicked out of the
presence of God because of pride.
And now we're celebrating it. You know what God's going to do?
He's going to kick you out of his presence.
The Bible says pride proceeds destruction.
You know what's coming Australia?
Destruction. It's very simple.
The Bible says God resists the proud.
For every Christian listening tome, they're like, what's wrong

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with gay marriage? What's wrong?
Let them do what they do. And the church, we're just going
to stay in our walls. No, no, no, no, no.
Revival will not come in Australia until we repent of our
pride. The Bible says God resists the
proud. The idea of revival and God
saving this nation is that we want God to come.
God is not coming with a pride flag as raised.
God is coming with his humility and we need to really repent of
this. I can't believe we have pride
flag of our homes. There's some churches now in the

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city, you've seen them. Churches in Australia have
painted their stairs with the rainbow colours.
Are you serious? You are not a church.
You're the Church of Satan. That's what you are.
If you have the pride flag in your church, you're not a
church. You are the synagogue of Satan
and God will judge you and God will condemn you and I'm not
they're like, they're like, you're too extreme.
My brother read the Bible, Sodomand Gomorrah.
Like have you read, have they read the story of Sodom and

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Gomorrah? It didn't rain popcorn and Sodom
and Gomorrah. It didn't rain Skittles on Sodom
and Gomorrah. It didn't, it didn't rain KFC
on. Oh so where am I for all my
Arabs and garlic sauce. It didn't rained fire and sofa
why God is holy and Australia you're living in sin and if we
don't repent, God would destroy Australia.
But I believe as one chronicle says, if my people, my people

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not the world, the church said of my people are called by my
name will humble themselves right.
Humble opposite of pride, Notice, Humble ourselves.
Get rid of pride. Turn from your wicked ways.
We've got to repent. We've got to pray.
Then God says I will hear from heaven and heal the land.
We need Australia to be healed. That's what we need, right?
We need America to be healed. We need Europe to be healed.
God won't do that until we humble ourselves and get rid of

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the pride flag. What I'm realizing is the this
whole pride movement is another tactic of the devil to stop us
from multiplying as well, because if people can grow up to
be homosexual then there's no procreation as well.
You nailed it. You nailed it.
How can we have babies when Adamand Steve don't have babies?
That's for sure. Right.
Like, as much as you want Adam and Steve, you can't have
babies, brother. Right.
It's like people don't think this conversation is awkward.

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No, Adam and Eve are the only people who can have babies.
And Adam and Steve can try all you want, do you think?
But you're not going to have babies.
And, and it sounds funny, but you're actually not going to
have babies. And that's the way a
civilization dies, the way a nation dies is by not
procreating. This is not even just religion.
This is for your nation to continue.
This is for your nation to continue.
I mean, the Muslims are pumping babies.

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We're killing our babies. We need to have babies.
And the one sin, by the way, theone thing that has a consequence
that lasts your whole lifetime is transgenderism.
Like when you think about it, a drunk kid, if he repents, he can
get sober again. He can fix it.
A drug addict, he can go to rehab and fix it.
If you're greedy, you can repentlike, you know, like the guy in
the Bible, and give all your money away.
But the one thing you cannot change is once you mutilate your

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body. And that's why the devil's so
serious about this. He wants young people at the age
of 5 and 9 to butcher their party pot because he knows once
they do that at a young age, there's no going back.
There's no going back. I had a guy come up to me in
Indonesia while I was preaching.He's 50 years old.
He comes up to me after my sermon and he's crying.
So why crying? He says he shows me a photo when
he was in his 20s dressed like awoman.

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And he says at the age of 20, I felt like I was stuck in the
wrong body. So he went and had a surgery.
He went and had a surgery. He went overseas to have a
surgery, caught his body part. And now he got repent.
He repented. He's now acting like a man.
He's married, but he's weeping because he said I can't restore.
I can't. I can't.
There's nothing I can do to havebabies with my wife now.
And I'm like, how demonic, how demonic that the devil has done

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that to our young people. He wants to butcher them.
And we have to speak up about it.
We have to tell our young boys. I did not make a mistake with
you. I don't care if you like pink or
Barbie dolls. You're a man.
I don't care if you like dancingand twinkling.
You're a man. I don't care what your emotions
are. You're a man.
And we have to tell our young ladies.
I don't care if you feel like dressing like a tomboy.
No. Wear a dress.
You're a lady. You're a woman.
Act like a lady. Dress like a lady.

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Talk like a lady. You know, shave your armpits.
Like, like, you know this. I don't know.
I don't know what you do. The lady I'm trying to.
But like, you're a lady. Act like a lady.
Don't don't try to act like me. I'm a hairy Arab man.
I'm an ugly man. I'm that's me.
I'm a man, but you're a lady. Dress beautiful, be feminine.
So yeah. You're obviously very bold with

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your preaching and and it's veryit can be very convincing, but
can also be very off putting depending on what side you want
to pick. Can you share sort of another
story other than the one you just shared where you were so
bold and the way, the way you the way you spoke about the
truth and and the love that you have for God actually healed
someone in their ways? 100%, man, too many testimonies,

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too many testimonies. We, we, we preach, as you said,
we preach a lot about homosexuality and LGBTQ.
And it's not Adam and Steve, it's Adam and Eve and, and a lot
of people come to our church andthey might get offended.
I remember we had a guy, a young15 year old boy who his mom
forced him to come to church Andwhen he first came, he came in a
dress. He didn't want to, you know, he,
he, he dress and nail Polish hissocial media with dresses and

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nail Polish. And when he came, we told him,
you know, you're not a woman, you're a man.
And we called him he, we didn't say she her and we, we told him
God didn't make a mistake when he made you.
And we kept preaching the truth.We kept preaching the Bible.
And I remember that young kid, he was very offended.
He was very angry. He didn't like us.
We tried to say hi to him after the service and he wouldn't want
to shake our hand and look at it.
He was so angry and furious. And the temptation is to stop

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preaching us so they can feel, you know, loved and accepted.
But we kept on preaching. And six months later, that young
kid is at the front of the altaron his knees, crying and weeping
and repenting. And a young 15 year old boy now,
he's now, I think 18 or 19. He's in our church, serving in
the House of God. He's actually building midweek
and midweek, you know, volunteerand he's building a church.
We have seen too many stories and that's what I tell people.

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The truth set him. Free, that's it.
The truth sets you free. It's not my LED screen or my
good communication or my ripped jeans.
It's, it's, it's the gospel thatsets you free.
It's not me, brother. And and you know, I was
preaching him. I was preaching in California
and and I was preaching in California a few, you know, last
year and right before my sermon,the possible like to me, hey, be
careful because California and America is very gay.

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Lots of gay people, homosexuals is very, very big there.
The possible like to me, Hey, becareful.
You know, California is very, you know, lots of homosexuals,
you got to be careful and you don't want to offend the crowd.
And I looked at the pastor, saidpastor, let the word of God do
what it wants, said pastor, don't be scared.
And I looked him and I said, what Charles Spurgeon said
Charles Spurgeon. Charles Spurgeon said the word
of God is a lion. And what a lot of preachers and

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Christians are doing now is they're treating the word of God
not like a lion, but like a pet.You know, a pet, you put him on
a leash. You're like, don't go there.
You can't go there, you can't gothere.
That's your boundaries. We're putting the word of God on
a leash. We're saying I can't preach
about sin and repentance and abortion and LGBTQ.
But no, the word of God is not adog on a leash.
It's a lion that roars. And what do you do with a lion?
You don't tame a lion. You release a lion, you release

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it. And that's the point of
preaching. We release the word of God.
And I got up on the pulpit in California and I released the
word of God. I said, pastor, let me declare
the Scripture and watch God move, watch him move.
And after I preached in one day,literally 200 people gave their
life to Jesus on the altar repenting.
And I've never seen that before.They usually have 1015 people.
And I looked at the pastor and Isaid, pastor, the word of God is

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powerful, don't put in a cage again.
And that's my decision. I'm not putting the word of God
on a leash, I'm releasing it. I get up on that pulpit and I'll
preach this thing and I'll let it do what it wants.
And by the way, the lion might RIP you to shreds and it might
offend you and you might run from the line.
Some people after my sermon, they run away, but that doesn't
mean the lion did a bad job. The lion did what he wants to

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do. Some people, they get offended
and they leave. Some people they repent and they
hug the line. But I'm not going to stame the
line. I'm going to release a line and
let it do what it wants. But many miracles, ma'am, we get
2 extremes got people get offended, people get saved and
that's the gospel, right? Thousands of people left Jesus
ministry after he preached, right?
Remember that sermon he preachedand people said that's too much
for us. It's confusing and 5000 people

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left him. If people are not leaving your
church in sermons, there's something wrong with you.
People have to people have to beconstantly coming in and leaving
that. That's the Kingdom of God.
Let me put this hypothetical wayout there, if that's OK.
Just I want to hear what you'd say.
So you and your lovely wife, youguys have a son.
You raise him best as you can, but he struggles with

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homosexuality. What would you do?
Yeah, and, and it's OK to feel sinful urges.
It's extremely normal to feel sinful and urges.
And some people think, you know,I'm not going to feel anything
when I get saved. Now you get saved and you still
feel angry. You still feel like hitting that
guy. You still feel like lusting over
that woman. So we're not addressing that

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emotion you have or the urge anddesire you have.
We're addressing the way you deal with that emotion.
Every man, whether you're married or not, you have a
tendency to lust off the woman, But as a man, as a man of God,
you control yourself. You say, no, I take that thought
and I take that desire and I make a submit to Christ.
We do that with greed. I, I feel greedy.
Now I'm going to give to the church, I'm going to tie to the
House of God. You, you want to punch that guy

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on the face and I'm going to control myself.
Same with homosexuality. It's the same thing.
It's that emotion that you have,that desire tendency you have.
God is not judging you based on your emotion and your desire.
God is judging you based on youraction and your obedience to
that emotion. So I will tell that kid #1 it's
a kid of whatever you're feeling.
And by the way, I think the way you raise your kid is very
important. Like don't, don't dress your kid

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in pink and dresses and you know, ponytails and Skittles.
Make sure you dress him like a man and get him around boys and
men. And most of the time your kid
wouldn't even struggle with that.
But if he does, I would number one, I love him, but I'm not
affirming that sin. Not affirming it a lot of, and
depending on your kid, by the way, if your kid is 15 or 16,
it's a bit different. Obviously, if you feel like,
man, I didn't raise him a pride or whatever he lot he left.

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Your kid can be a prodigal son. Just because your kid is from
God, it doesn't mean you can't come back.
He can't come back. Pray for him, fast for him.
But the last thing you want to do is affirm a sin.
You don't want to affirm them into hell.
You don't want to say, hey, it'sOK, you can be gay.
No, you can't. Hey, I love you, but I'm not
affirming your sin. I love you, but I'm not
attending your wedding. Why?
Because I want you to know that this is a sin.

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Remember, you affirm it. You're telling them God affirms
it. It's harsh.
I know it sounds hard, but that's just the way the Kingdom
will go. Jesus said if you love a father
or mother or a son or a daughtermore than me, you're not worthy
of me. And sadly, parents need to make
a decision. I love God more than my kid.
Very hard, but I love them. And in Proverbs it says if you
spare your son the rod, then youhate your son, which is such a

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strong statement to say. So we we're called to discipline
our kids. We're not called to be soft
parents. Exactly if your kid 100% gentle
parenting will make your kid gay.
Like seriously if if you're a gentle parent and don't be
abusive and beat your kid up, they scar him all the time.
Be a loving parent but if you'rea gentle parent your kid will
most likely be gay if you don't.If you never tell your kid

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that's wrong, you will lose yourkid.
If you never discipline your kidand smack your kid, you will
lose your kid to the world. Your kid has a sinful nature by
birth, like David literally says.
But from my womb I was sinful. Like it's not.
You don't need to be 15 years old to be sinful.
You're born with a sinful nature.
That's why you don't need to teach your kid how to lie.
They just lie. We're born with that nature and

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you got to smack that nature outof him.
I tell the people, smack the devil out of that kid.
Like there's not much you can doabout him.
Not in a beating way, but you have to discipline your kid.
As you said, if you spare the rod, you will lose your kid.
So I think don't do the gentle parenting, but don't do the
abusive parenting. Do the loving but discipline
parenting. And you nailed it.
You said if you love your kid, you will discipline them.

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I'm not disciplining my kid because I hate them.
I'm disciplining them because I love them.
I love you enough to tell you that's wrong.
I love you enough to smack you and tell you, hey, that's not a
kid in his house and his house wouldn't swear and his house
wouldn't disown a mom. And this House, we don't do
that. You know, it's funny because.
A lot of people might may have the same qualms with God because
God is the same. He disciplines us.

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And if you know that that it's out of love that he disciplines
you and tries to put you back onthe right path for your
salvation, then you behave in a very different way when God is
dealing with you and you have this relationship as a father
son relationship. So God sometimes gives the
advice that he's using on us. A. 100% God is the best example
of a father. And how many times did he
discipline the Israelites in thewilderness?

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Right. He sent snakes to bite them, but
only to lead them back to repentance.
Every punishment God gave them, it wasn't about hate.
It was about I love you enough. I'm going to discipline you so
you can come back to me. And sometimes, by the way, the,
the Israelites needed that smackfrom God to turn back, right?
They, they need, they needed that discipline from God to turn
back. Some people turn some of your

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kids might be, you know, there'stwo types of kids.
There's the kids that, you know,they're just very nice and you
don't need to smack them by somekids.
You need to smack them and you got to deal with every kid
differently. But definitely don't say I'm not
going to smack my kid. No, the the context decides
that. So moving on from that, I mean,
we said that LGBTQ was one thingand then the other thing is

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Islam that you kind of have a lot of passion about and you
speak about. So is that mainly because of
your personal experience from Egypt that you speak about Islam
in that way? And a second point is, some
people might see that as like hate speech or hateful or or
whatever. Obviously, I know that that's
coming from a place of love because you want to save people.

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You don't want people to go downthe wrong path.
But how do you address someone that sees what you're saying as
hateful or not representing Christ, for example?
Speaking the truth is never hateful.
Speaking the truth is never wrong speaking.
We live in a country of freedom of religion.
By the way, if you were in freedom of speech, freedom of
speech, if I was in the Middle East right now, Iran and
Afghanistan, I wouldn't be able to say what I'm saying.

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But we're in a Christian countryand I have freedom of speech.
I will speak the truth and when people say, you know, you not
being Jesus, like I'm like really Jesus flip tables in a
temple. I'm not being Jesus like maybe I
should go flip tables to be likehim.
So when people, we have this, bythe way, gay effeminate picture
of Jesus, I thought I like to the way to picture is that we,
we think Jesus was just this nice guy.

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He carried a lamb on his shoulder and so peaceful and
nice. Like, yeah, Jesus was a very
gentle and humble man. But Jesus also flipped the
tables in the temple. There is 2 pictures of Jesus in
the Gospels, The picture of Jesus that touched the leper and
healed, touched, you know, healed the sick and touched the
eyes of the blind and, you know,spoke to the adulterous woman
with love. But there's also the picture of

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Jesus that told the Pharisees off.
There is a picture of Jesus thisI got angry in the temple.
The question is when you say, oh, you're not being like Jesus,
what picture are you talking about?
Are you talking about the nice side or the gentle side?
Are you talking about the the anger side?
Because anger is not sin. Me getting angry and speaking
the truth is not sinful. By the way, we have a picture of
Jesus as you know, this lamb andnice peaceful lamb.

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And you're right, the Bible, theBible does describe Jesus as the
Lamb of God, but it's not just the Lamb of God.
Jesus is the line of the tribal Judah, right?
Jesus is not just this nice peaceful lamb that, you know,
got slaughtered in the cross crucified and yeah, except my
enemies attacks. No Jesus coming back on in the
end times. He's coming back.
If you're a Christian, Jesus is returning and he's not returning
as the Lamb of God. He's returning as the line of

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Judah in power and strength. The first time Jesus came, he
came as a baby in a Manger. Second time he comes, he's going
to come as a king on the throne.So when they say, you know,
acting like Jesus, I'm like, what picture of Jesus are you
talking about? That's the first thing.
Secondly, how is this hateful toIslam?
What I'm saying is not based on my experience on Egypt.
Forget my experience in Egypt ifI was a white Aussie man.
Study the Quran and you will know what I'm talking about.

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Everything I'm saying is not based on experience.
Everything I'm saying is based on the Quran.
The Quran commands every Muslim to kill the infidels.
That's just facts. The Quran says kill the infidels
wherever you find them. The Quran chapter 4 verse 5 says
kill the infidels wherever you find them.
So when they say are you spreading hate against Islam?
I'm not Mohammed is Mohammed didthat.

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I'm simply declaring what Mohammed already told you in the
Quran. Mohammed says kill the infidel,
kill them. Did I touch my mark?
Anything that's good? Muhammad says kill the infidels.
He literally says that so me andyou are infidels.
So Muhammad commands the Muslimsto kill us.
So when you see a Muslim in the street, if they don't kill you,
they are not obeying the Koran. You know, some people are like,

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I have a nice Muslim friend. Not all Muslims are like that.
I'm like, you're right, you're right.
Not all Muslims are like that. I have a lot of Muslim people I
know that are very peaceful, butthey're not real Muslims because
they're not following the Quran.See, I like to say this way, not
all Muslims are violent, but allIslam is violent.
Same. It's Christianity.
Not all Christians are holy, butChristianity is holy.
If I see a Christian walking down the street, getting drunk,

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bidding his wife or whatever, living in sin, lusting of a
woman, watching pornography, I look at that guy and I'm like,
yeah, that guy's not a Christian.
Why Christianity is holy? The Bible commands Christians to
be holy. The problem is not the Bible.
The problem is that guy. He's not following the Bible.
And same as Muslims, when you see a Muslim who's peaceful,
kind, and a lot of Muslims mightbe listening to me today and
they're like, you know, you're wrong.

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I wouldn't kill you. I'm like, yeah, you're not a
Muslim. You're kind, you're loving,
you're peaceful. You're not actually following
the Quran. Because if you really follow the
Quran, you shouldn't talk to me.I was a Christian.
You shouldn't love me as a Christian.
You shouldn't have my number as a Christian.
You shouldn't follow me on Instagram as a Christian, you
should kill me. Because according to the Quran,
Muhammed, by the way, Muhammad calls Christians 2 things, apes
and pigs. So when you ask a Muslim, hey,

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what am I in the Quran? You're not a man, you're an ape
or a pig. And I'm not saying that because
we look like them. I look like an ape on earth.
But he literally says they're apes and pigs that must be
killed. So when we as Christians see a
Muslim, we see somebody who Jesus loves.
When a Muslim sees a Christian, they see somebody as God hates
and we must kill them. This is the difference between

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Christianity and Islam. Jesus said love your enemies.
Muhammad says kill the infidels Jesus.
Jesus on a literally on the cross said what?
What does Muhammad? Let's actually compare Muhammad
versus Jesus. Muhammad, Muhammad says kill the
infidel. Jesus says love your enemies.
Muhammad before he died says mayAllah curse the Jews and the
Christians. Jesus before he died, he said,

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father forgive them for they don't know what they do.
Muhammad says to the men to beattheir wives up.
Jesus says to the men, love yourwives.
The difference between Islam andChristianity are so different.
And when people say you're beinghateful, I'm not being hateful,
I'm just being truthful. And if a Muslim tells me, by the
way, I don't agree with that Quran verse, I'm not OK done, no
drama, awesome. But it is in the Quran and

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that's what your prophet teaches.
So if you don't listen to it, you're not a real Muslim.
Have you had the opportunity to minister to a lot of Muslims in
Australia and what were those conversations like?
Were they more aggressive or were they understanding on both
sides? There's two sides.
There's Muslims that are aggressive and they hate you.
I get death threats from Australian Muslims.
We get death threats and any Muslim that listens to me and

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you want to kill me, mate, we'rein a Christian country.
Like I get all the death threatsfor Muslims.
We're in a Christian country. This is the Christian nation is
freedom of speech. So in a Muslim country, we can't
speak about Islam. In this country we can and we
will. And you can speak about Jesus.
By the way, that's something that Muslims need to understand.
You can attack Jesus, you can attack Christianity, you can
mock Jesus. I don't care.
I'm not going to kill you. I can defend.
I can defend Jesus with my words, that that's the power of

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the way. The gospel is that our sword is
the word of God. I don't need to kill you.
I'll let this word speak to you and convict you.
But for Muslims, on the other hand, when you speak against
them, they want to attack you. Now, why do you want to attack
me? Why?
Why did that Muslim attack Bishop Maramari?
How? How dare you as a Muslim come to
a Christian country in a Christian Church and go up to
Bishop Maramari's church and go to him and want to stab him.

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Why? And a young kid on this on on
the on the floor with Bishop Maramari.
What does he say? He says you should have spoken
about my Prophet Muhammad. What I shouldn't have spoken
about my your Prophet Muhammad. We're in a Christian country,
number one. We're in a country with freedom
of speech #2 I can say whatever I want in this country.
We can say whatever we want, andthe Muslims can say whatever we
want. You know what?

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What's the double standard, mirror?
You know, the double standard isthis.
It's that a Muslim can come to aChristian country, pray in a
mosque, wear a hijab, mock Jesus, convert Christians to
Islam and we allow them and I'm OK with it.
There's freedom of speech, do whatever you want.
But a Christian, when was the last time you saw a Christian go
to a Muslim country like Afghanistan and Iran and can do

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the same thing? I can't walk down Iran or
Afghanistan with a cross on my neck.
I'll get killed. You guys have a cross on your
neck, you will get killed. You can't walk in in Afghanistan
with a cross. Tattoo I.
Can't walk around with a cross on my neck and speaking Jesus.
If I dare speak to a Muslim about Jesus, I'll get killed.
That's a double standard. Why are you coming to this
country where we have freedom ofspeech?

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And by the way, freedom of speech is amazing because that's
a point of freedom of speech so that we can talk to each other.
I would love, by the way, most Muslims don't want to talk.
They don't want to talk. They just want to argue.
They want to fight. They want to do.
I'm like, like that Muslim kid. If he disagrees with Bishop
Maramari, text Bishop Maramari and say, Hey, let's chat.
Oh, I'm sure Bishop Maramari would have spoken to him.
I'm sure he would have spoken tohim.
Say, hey, what do you disagree with?

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That's that's the maturity of Christians.
We're not going to fight you, bro.
We're going to talk. Hey, I would allow four Muslims
here right now and talk to me. What do you think about
Christianity? Oh, you don't agree.
That's all right. Let me explain to you, Oh, you
know a good point. But Muslims, good luck.
Good luck trying to do that to aMuslim.
Good luck. And and that's such a double
standard, man, such a double standard.
Freedom of speech is, is not an option.

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And Muslims, by the way, don't want freedom of speech because
they know that if you open your mouth against Islam, people will
leave Islam. Charles Persian said the
greatest enemy to Islam is the Quran.
If you dare open the Quran and tell people what the Quran
really says, people wouldn't want to be Muslim.
If you dare tell people. Not the watered down English.
Translation, watered down English, the real Koran.

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If you tell them, people will leave Islam and that's why they
want you to open your mouth. You know, I heard a scholar say
before, he said the sword of Mohammed hangs over the head of
the preacher, The sword of Muhammad hangs over the head of
the preacher. If I was in Afghanistan right
now, the sword of Muhammad will be over my head.
But too bad we're in a Christiancountry.
We're in a Christian country with freedom of speech, and we
will speak about it. And I'm not speaking about it

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because I hate the Muslims. I'm speaking about it because I
hate Islam. I love Muslims.
Any Muslim listening to me, theyneed to understand I love
Muslims. I want them to come to Jesus.
If I see a Muslim ministry, I will go up to them, look them in
the face and tell them I love you.
Every Muslim listening to me, they need to understand.
I will shout you dinner, I will buy you food.
I will look in eye and tell you I love you, I care about you and

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I want you to come to Jesus. I will shake their hand, I will
hug them. You dare ask a Muslim to do that
to you? I dare you to go move them in
the street and tell them do you love me?
They'll say no, I don't love you.
Muslims are not allowed to love you.
Muslims are not allowed to shakehands with an infidel.
A Muslim, if a woman comes up toa man or any, they're not
allowed to shake hand with an infidel.
They're not allowed to be friends with an infidel.

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I'll love you, bro. I'll love you.
And that's the difference between Christians and IS and
Christianity and Islam. Any Muslim listening to me, our
Jesus loves you. Don't go angry about that.
My Jesus loves you. My Jesus died for the Muslim.
My Jesus died for the martyr. My Jesus died for any Muslim
listening to me today. And he wants you to come to him.
That's the difference. Muhammad says you have to die

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for Allah to go to heaven. You know what Jesus says?
I'll die so you can go to heaven.
That's the difference. But you know the Quran says, the
Quran says that the Muslim is granted forgiveness at the first
drop of blood you can get on thescreen.
In the podcast a Muslim is granted forgiveness at the first
drop of blood. Think about that for a moment.
Why are Muslims always keen to kill themselves for Allah?

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Because if they kill themselves the moment the blood touches the
ground, Muhammad says you are granted forgiveness.
How the morning can you be? Like the Bible literally says a
thief comes to kill, seal and destroy.
The only person that wants your blood is the devil.
The only person that wants you to die is the devil.
What does Jesus say? I would die so you can have
life. Allah says you die so you can
have life. Jesus says I'll die so you can

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have life. That's the difference.
My Jesus died for your salvation.
He went to the cross 2000 years ago.
And the reason Muhammad doesn't want you to believe in him is
because he wants you to go to hell with him.
But we want you to go to heaven.And that's why we're preaching
this. I want Muslims in Australia to
listen to me and repent. And I'm praying that Muslims
will message me after this and say, tell me more about Jesus.
I'll tell you. I'll take you on.

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I'll tell you about Jesus. I'm so glad you said that
because it's very important to know or for them to know.
Our motive here isn't to win. We're not here to win.
We're here because we love everyone.
And the whole point of this podcast is so we can talk about
these things and people can hearand people can hear the good
news and hear the truth. Exactly.
You know, And it's all from a place of love.
It's never from a place of hate or judgement.
We're not saying we're better than anyone.

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We're not saying anything like that.
Actually, it's the opposite. We want to be your servants.
We want to serve you. And.
Exactly. On another point, you know,
since we're talking about this, you know, as Coptic Christians,
we know too well the cost of following Christ.
Yeah, especially recently, you know, the 21 martyrs of Libya.
Yes, we're martyrs in our church.
Do you feel that? Maybe the Western Christians

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miss something vital by not facing this kind of persecution,
and it's kind of made this theirfaith soft and malleable because
they don't know the cost of Christianity.
A. 100 percent, 100% the the West, we are so weak and soft
and we're just passive Christians because we don't know
what real Christianity looks like.
We're so weak. We we need God sometimes sense

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pain and punishment to wake up acountry to turn back to him.
That's the sad news about it. It's that the persecution in
Egypt made the Christians stronger in their faith.
The persecution in Libya made the Libyan Christians stronger
in their faith, right? It's, it's made us stronger.
It didn't lead us away from God.It's made us strong.
And I think exactly what you said, our, our, our, our

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prosperity has become our downfall.
Our, our abundance is our handicap.
The reason people don't go to church on Sunday is because they
don't need God. We got Centrelink.
Seriously, like we got Centrelink now we don't need
God. I don't need God.
I got money, I got, I got money,I got houses, I got cars,
something. I don't need God.
Why would I need God? But then you go to the Middle

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East or Africa and they need God, man.
Why do they need God? Because they're, they're in
trouble. They need a miracle worker and
sadly what God? I pray God doesn't do this in
Australia, but he might have to do it.
God might have to punish Australia in a very harsh way in
order for them to come back to him, right?
We were talking about it before.God might have to punish the

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children he loves in order for them to turn back to him.
And I'm praying for Australia. They don't.
I'm praying they repent now before the punishment comes.
But if they don't, God will punish him simply because he
loves them and he wants them to come back to him.
And that punishment might look like Islam and might look like,
I don't know what it's going to look like.
But if we don't repent quickly and turn back to God, if the
churches don't wake up and stop being lukewarm and shallow, we

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Christians, God, God, God, will pour His wrath out in order to
turn the remnant back to Him. When you say that some people
might look at that and say you're telling people to repent.
That means you're putting yourself on a pedestal and
you're perfect and everyone elseis wrong and everyone needs
repents. Can you explain to somebody
listening that could hear that in that kind of tone exactly
what you mean by when you tell other people to repent?

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Repent means turn from your sin,and I have every right to tell
anybody to repent from their sin.
The Bible doesn't tell us to notjudge.
It's about not being judge mental.
I can make a judgement though. I can look at somebody getting
drunk and make a judgement. You're not living righteous.
So people say only God can judgeme.
No, I can make a judgement of you.
I can't send you to hell. I can't condemn you, but I can

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make a judgement about you. And it's not I'm not doing it
from a pedestal. I'm a Sinner myself.
And if I say I want someone to call that sin out of me, don't
watch me sin and don't call me out.
Love me enough to tell me the truth.
And people say repentance. You know, it's just meant to my
brother. The whole Bible uses that word
repentance. The first sermon of John the
Baptist was repent. The first sermon of Jesus was

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repent. The first sermon of Peter on the
day of Pentecost was repent. So John the Baptist, Jesus and
Peter preach repentance and you don't want me to preach
repentance. How does that work?
I'm just following. I'm just following in the
footsteps of my Messiah of our apostles.
I'm following the footsteps. I'm preaching Jesus and I'm
preaching repentance. Repentance simply mean turn from

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your sin. If you're homosexual, stop being
homosexual. If you're getting drunk, stop
getting drunk. If you're beating your wife up,
stop beating her up. If you're cheating on your wife,
stop cheating on your wife. If you're getting drunk, stop
it. That's what repentance is.
Turn from your ways and turn back to God.
If you, if you could give one message to the Muslims in terms

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of just obviously, like we said,we're not, we're not trying to
be, we're not trying to be judgmental, but you're just
trying to show them the way of Jesus.
If you could give one message tothe Muslims, what would it be?
My message to the Muslims is I love you and I want you to come
to Jesus. I don't want you to die.
I don't want you to to I don't Idon't want you to be killed.
I'm not like Muhammad that says kill the infidel.

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I love you and I want you to be saved.
I love you enough to tell you the truth.
And every time we speak about Muhammad, we're not speaking
about Muhammad because we hate you.
We're speaking about Muhammad because we love you and we want
your eyes to be open. We want your eyes to be open to
the truth. The truth is we believe there is
a spiritual blindness. You might think you can see, but
your eyes are open, but your spiritual eyes are blind.

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That's what I believe the, the, the, the, the Muslim religion is
at You have eyes, but you cannotsee.
You have ears, but you cannot hear.
You have a mind, but you cannot comprehend.
You don't understand that Jesus did exist.
Jesus actually existed. And I, and I, I want to tell the
Muslims something. Jesus was a real man.
And I know you believe in Jesus,but Jesus did not just exist.
Jesus went to the cross. And I know Muhammad says he

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didn't die on the cross. That is a lie.
The only person in the history of the world that says Jesus did
not die and wasn't crucified is Muhammad.
You know, it's not just the Christians that believe Jesus
died on the cross. Historians believe Jesus died on
the cross. There are so many manuscripts
and people, historians that wereliving in a time of Jesus, that
were finding the writings and they wrote a man by the name of

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Jesus revolted against the government and they crucified
him and he died. And then Muhammad says he didn't
die. But what it's not just the Bible
that says he died. There are eyewitnesses who said
he died. So #1 the Muslim assistant
listening to me, Muhammad lied to you.
Jesus did die. Jesus actually was crucified and
he did rise from the dead. And there are manuscripts of
people, over 500 people who saw Jesus face to face after the

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crucifixion. And your Muhammad is telling
you, no, he didn't die. No, he did die.
He did rise from the dead. And he is coming back as God and
King of kings. And last thing for the Muslims,
every Muslim listening to me today, you see, you must say I
believe in Jesus and the Muslimsand the Christians are brothers,
friend, your Jesus is not my Jesus.
You see Mohammed is very deceptive and he lied to people

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saying I believe in Jesus, he believes in Jesus and the Quran
does mention the name Isa 25 times.
The Muslims believe in a virgin birth.
They believe that Jesus healed the sick.
They believe that Jesus raised the raised the dead.
They believe that Jesus opened up blind eyes.
But Muhammad is very deceptive because Romans 10/9 says if you
confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in
your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be

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saved. So in Christianity, former
Muslims listening, we have 3 foundational faiths.
We believe, according to Romans 9, to be Romans 10/9 to be
saved. We believe #1 Jesus is God #2
Jesus was crucified and #3 Jesuswas resurrected.
Muhammad comes 600 years after Jesus.
Listen Muslims, listen, he didn't come 20 years after
Jesus. Come 600 years after Jesus and

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he says all of you are wrong, all the people that saw Jesus
are wrong. Well you tell me Muhammad.
Muhammad spoke a different language to Jesus, born in
Mecca, different country, spoke a different language, never saw
Jesus, never taught Jesus, and says all the disciples are wrong
and I'm right. Well tell me Muhammad, who is
this Jesus? Well, number one, he's not God,
he's a prophet. Lie #1 line #1 in order to be

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saved. We believe it's God.
Muhammad says he's the prophet. Line #2 in order to be saved.
Accordance to Romans 10/9, we believe it was crucified.
Muhammad says he wasn't crucified, but they were deluded
by resemblance. Someone else replaced him on the
cross and Allah replace him and rescued Jesus to heaven.
Line number two, we believe he was crucified.
Line #3 Muhammad says he was never resurrected because he
never died. And then you end up at
deception. Muslims end up in hell,

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Christians end up in salvation. And that's why I believe
Muhammad was so cunning and demonically inspired to change
the route of salvation. Relation from Jesus to Muhammad,
he was so smart to do that and sadly 1.7 billion Muslims have
fell for that and I'm praying that they will come to Christ.
And every Muslim listening to metoday, I've been travelling the
world and I got good news for you.
There are 1,000,000 Muslims in Indonesia coming to Jesus every

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year. Did you know that?
I was just preaching in Indonesia last month.
Amazing. 1,000,000 Muslims come to Jesus.
As I was preaching in Indonesia,I was preaching in a Christian
conference. I look at the back and there's 2
ladies in a hijab and I was likewhat's going on as the pastor
off they tells me they're Christians while they're wearing
a job because they're undercoverChristians they don't want to
get killed. Most of the Coming to Jesus 200

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Gazans a few months ago saw visions of Jesus and became
Christian in Iran. Iran has 75,000 mosques in 2023
the leader of the Muslim empire there got up and he was sad and
he said 50,000 mosques are shutting down out of 75,000
mosques. Why defunding people not happy,
many reasons. But what I have to tell the

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Muslims is this Jesus is real. He wants to save you.
Open your eyes, dig deep. The Bible says seek me and you
will find me. Knock and the door will be open.
Ask and you will receive. I dare you Muslim listening to
me right now, knock. I dare you to buy a Bible and
start reading it. I dare you listen to Nabil
Qureshi was a devout Muslim. Listen to him, he said.
He. Wrote a book Seeking Allah,

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finding Christ. Seeking Allah, finding Christ.
I beg you, Muslims, go buy that book.
If you go buy the book and search for the truth, and if you
search for the truth, you're notlanded the foot of Allah, or the
foot of Muhammad or the foot of Mecca.
You'll landed the foot of Jesus.Christ, you know, what I find
extremely interesting is I've heard many Christian apologists
when they have debates with big Islamic leaders, they use the

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Quran to prove the Bible. And the way they do that is a
few points. So they use the Quran to say,
you know, Jesus, for example, who's going to judge?
They say God is the only judge. And then they read a verse in
the Quran and it says Jesus willbe the one that judge.
So you're equating him to God. So even the Quran, which is like
a book that is not meant to, to be Christian, God still has

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messages in the Quran for for Muslims to find him.
You know, for example, there's astory about they say who's who's
the creator in the Bible. They say God is Allah is the
creator. And then there's a story in the
Quran that talks or not, I don'tknow if it's in the Quran or in
the hadith or whatever, but thatJesus was playing in the mud and
he created a bird out of mud. So Jesus is now creator.
So that's another proof within their own beliefs that shows

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that Jesus is God. And then there's another point
that says that Jesus is the beginning and the end somewhere.
No, you're, you're so right, man.
You're so right. And and by the way, it's so
interesting. Why if Muhammad was the greatest
man to ever live, why is he not the one coming to judge, but
Jesus is? It's so weird.
If he is so great, let him come and judge.
Why Jesus come and judge and Muhammad is so great?
Why is there no recorded miracles in any text across

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history in any the hadith or theQuran?
Muhammad has never Muhammad has never performed a miracle, but
Jesus in the Quran performs so many miracles, open blind eyes,
raises the dead. Why is Jesus so great and, and
and even even the character of Jesus is so great, yet Muhammad
is warlord starting wars and killing people.

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Why? Open your eyes and dig deep and.
I think you'll land at Jesus andGod.
God left bread crumbs there for them.
He. Did you're right, you're right.
Search for the truth. I tell the Muslims man it's man.
Just search for the truth. Stop being hot headed and don't
be a brick wall. Search for the truth be soft
hearted. It's and I'm not telling you I'm
not, I'm not telling you Christianity is right.
I'm not telling you have to submit now.

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I'm just telling you look for the truth.
And what I want to ask Muslims is, are you willing to be wrong,
Right. Are you willing?
Are you willing? Most people when you ask them
are you willing to be wrong, they say no.
And that's why what if I ask you?
Yeah, well, exactly. I think because in my in the
other way, if someone says are you willing to be wrong, I find
that really hard because I know I've experienced my faith.

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So I kind of find that a really hard thing, especially when you
believe so much to to say that because I don't think I would be
ever willing to be wrong, even though I've I've kind of tested
everything myself. Yeah.
So what would you say to that? Well, I would also.
The thing is people need to knowis you can't follow a religion.
You can't follow a religion justbecause you were born that way,
right? Many Muslims listening to me

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today. The reason you're Muslim is not
because you dug deep in the Quran.
The reason you're Muslim is because simply your parents made
you that way. You grew up in a Muslim country,
you grew up in a Muslim nation, you grew up in a Muslim family,
and now you're Muslim. But I want to ask the Muslims,
have you actually encountered your Allah?
Have you dug in your Quran? Have you encountered this person
that is so real apparently? Have you, have you read the

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Quran or are you getting second hand information?
That's the beauty of Christianity.
We don't tell you you have to dothis.
We tell you, hey, open the Bible, search for God yourself,
you will find him. And I would challenge every
Muslim, please. Why are you a Muslim?
Why you know not why are you gay?
You know that guy. Why are you a Muslim?
What? What?
Seriously, why are you a Muslim?Is it because you've done
genuinely done your research or is it just because you're just

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so arrogant and you don't want to dig?
I'm a Christian, firstly, obviously my parents raised me
that way, but man, I did my own research.
I believe in this thing. I've done my research, I've
studied the Bible, I've comparedthe Bible to the Quran and I've
landed Jesus is the way the truth in our life and make sure
don't follow someone else because when he on judgement
day, you can't tell if if you got it wrong.
Muslim on judgement day you can't say Oh my parents, no, no,

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no, no, no. Your job is to study.
It's your life. It's not your parents life.
Do your research. Don't depend on somebody else
for your faith and your eternity.
I want to be sure of my salvation.
That's me. So be sure of your salvation.
Don't just depend on Imam or your parents.
Very wise words. So I think now that we have you

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in studio, we have a lot of Zoommeetings because we have in
studio, we want to try a new segment, which is going to be
called the Salty segment. And I think Simon's going to run
it for us. But basically it's going to be
just rapid fire questions. Yeah, as little words as
possible for your answer and andSimon's going to run you through
it. All right, why are you gay?
Pretty self-explanatory. We'll start off with the most

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important thing. What do you love the most about
church? About church yes, are the
gathering of believers getting the people of God and not being
alone by yourself, but getting strengthened by the people of
God around you. Beautiful.
What's your favorite Bible verse?
Favorite Bible verse? Probably, Joshua, have I not
commanded you? Be strong and courageous for the
Lord your God is with you wherever you go.

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Wow, beautiful. If you could describe your dad
in one word, what word would that be?
Bold as in BALD or BA? LD both, both.
I'll give, I'll give. I'm going to get bold very soon
as well. I'm bold, but not in that way.
But it's coming. You and me both.
So what's your biggest childhoodfear?
Biggest childhood fear? Dark.

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I think I was scared of the darkman.
I was very young. I was a gay kid, let's say Jay.
I view the world as gay now because I live in Sydney.
Since we got 3 Egyptians here and maybe some Greek people in
the background, Yeah. What's your favorite Egyptian
food? Food.
Yeah. What's that?
Your parents got. To make me some man.
My mom is not making that anymore for me.
Really, we've got to talk to you.

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You've got to get me some, yeah.Now my mom makes the best meal.
Really get awesome. Yeah, definitely my.
Mom as well. Did you ever think you'd be a
pastor? No, never man.
I just, I thought I was going tobe a policeman or something.
I don't know. But God had other plans.
Well, that was the second question.
So what other career would you have in mind if you weren't a
pastor? Man, I got no Plan B's, but if

(01:27:24):
you really, if you really wantedto, probably a Carpenter, you
know, Jesus or the Carpenter. I like that.
I like that he would have been atradie.
Yeah, very nice. Right up Simon's alley.
Yeah, I'm not a tradie. I'm an electrician.
You guys do all the easy jobs. That's like the total and you
get. Paid the most.
That's not good. Our carpet is very good money.
Oh. Really.
As much as electricians, plumbers and electricians,

(01:27:45):
right? Electricians more, to be honest,
but. You don't get dirty, that's
true. You see, it depends.
You come at the end, I mean. Everything.
Simon. Simon.
Hands are a bit dirty. But Simon has fallen off a roof.
Simon has fallen off a roof though, so.
Oh, really? Yeah.
Oh, mate, there's a bit. Not in Egypt anymore.
You're gonna get. You're gonna.
Get suit. What's scarier, persecution or

(01:28:05):
compromise? Well, persecution or compromise?
Oh, compromise actually for sure.
Because if I compromise, Jesus says if you deny me before man,
I would deny before my Father. I'm scared to compromise.
I don't want to deny God becauseHe'll deny me.
Definitely. We can tell from this interview
for sure. Childhood hero outside your
family. Childhood hero Billy Graham.

(01:28:26):
Raha Bonky, All the revivalist. John Wesley, Charles Wesley,
Jonathan Edwards. Definitely not Sam Smith or
Harry Styles. Yeah, all The Revivalists, man.
They're the people I look up to.You What's your favorite worship
song that's always on your playlist?
Our God Reigns. We're listening to it.
I don't know. I'm not a singer, so I'm going
to try. Yeah.

(01:28:46):
Our God Reigns. Check it out.
Actually, we have. Next week we have Lebanese
Christian singer that lives in Saudi Arabia that do you have on
the show. And she's going to sing a hymn
for us, which is. Well, that's very interesting.
Yeah. She doesn't know that George is
going to ask her to sing for us.Oh yeah, you want to sing?
No, people will unsubscribe. So when you're preaching short
and fiery or long and detailed. Both.

(01:29:09):
They go from teaching to fire. Teaching fire.
Teaching fire when I'm preaching.
Is that what you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's both like a roller coaster.Take people on a roller coaster,
get out, you know, teach and then and then and then fire.
Tell them what to do. What's your favorite topic to
preach about? Repentance.
Hell revival. Finish this sentence.
Revival in Australia will cost us what?

(01:29:32):
Our sin. Repent.
You don't like that word. My lesson is but repent.
No, Jake. You said this before that you
love that you always have fasting and pray.
What's harder, fasting or pray? Oh, it's oh man, fasting.
I'm an Egyptian man. I love my food.
Fasting is definitely hard, man.But the second day I'm like, I
need some food. I need some.

(01:29:53):
I love that you have fasting as part of your arsenal because,
you know, it's, it's a very traditional thing.
Like Orthodox we fast like 260 days of the year.
Like, yeah, yeah, Coptic Orthodox.
We fast Wednesdays and Fridays. Then we have a whole bunch of
other fast food. No, no, not, no.
The way we fast is we we abstainfrom food as long as possible.
And then when we do eat, we eat small portions.

(01:30:13):
That is like vegan, basically. Oh, really?
So that's our our fasting. Author of some No no no.
Okay, so you eat a little bit of.
Vegan food When we do break out fast, we eat just small portions
of. Vegan if that was, I was just
breaking at 9:00. Yeah, you fast.
You don't eat or. Drink a lot when I fast.
Yeah, I do. Obviously there's a lot of

(01:30:34):
different fast, like, yeah, that's different.
Everyone likes but my one I do yeah.
No eating well, no eating drinking water, water.
And and if I have meetings, I have a coffee.
So a little bit of cheating, butyeah.
But I usually do three or five days fasting.
No. Awesome.
What's the best book outside theBible?
Book I love the books. If you're into Islam, you want

(01:30:56):
to seeking Allah, finding Jesus,revival Why Revival Tarries by
Leonard Ravenhill and God's Generals.
The whole collection is a six book collection on God's
generals, on revivalists, reformers, reformers, all that
stuff. What's the worst criticism that
you've ever received? Oh, man, people, people said to

(01:31:16):
me, because I got big eyebrows, as you can tell, people said why
did how come Moses split the seas, but he didn't split the
eyebrows. So that's that's that's.
I got me a little bit of that. I'm like, you got me.
Like, I'm sorry, man. On the flip side of that, what's
the best piece of advice you've ever received?
Best piece of advice, man, Preach boldly and don't, don't,

(01:31:39):
don't call back. Someone said to me with Lisa
Vivier, actually a few weeks ago, she said if they can't, if
they can't cancel you, they'll control you.
So a lot of people scared to getcancelled, I don't want to say
that thing. They'll get cancelled.
But man, what's worse than getting cancelled is being
controlled. You're, you're preaching, but
you're controlled. You can't say that thing.
And I want to be free, man. I'm going to say whatever God

(01:32:00):
tells me to say. This one should get you in the
good books with Millie. So what's your wife's best
trait? Best trait.
Good food, man. Oh wow, I love good.
That's number one. No, she's good.
Man knows the lady a lot. Not Malkia, man.
She's she's Australian, man. Fair.
She needs to learn Malkia, that's for sure.
Malkia. But no, man, she's salmon, you
know Salmon, you know, all the healthy stuff.

(01:32:21):
Yeah, trying to lose some weight.
So. Now, what's your wife's worth?
Well, she's very short. She's she's she was yeah.
I think that deserves for short.He's very good challenge he's.
Very short. Well, awesome.
All right. So we're heading towards the end
of our podcast. Now, so there's.
One question we ask all our guests because of our name The
Salt podcast. Yeah.

(01:32:42):
So we'd like to ask you, what does it mean when Christ calls
us to be the salt of the earth? What does that mean?
Nice. Yeah.
I think don't be, don't try to be the sugar of the earth, you
know? Don't try to sugarcoat the
Bible. And I think be a little bit
salty and a little bit mean sometimes and a little bit, you
know, a little bit sour and bitter.
I think sometimes people try to sugarcoat and try to make

(01:33:02):
Christianity loved by everybody.Christianity was not meant to be
loved by everybody. It's not, it's, it's not meant
to be sweet, sugary and ice cream and doughnuts and all that
stuff. It's the word of God is the salt
of the earth that preserves the earth.
Preach it. Like with everything you've got,
I want to add one more question.I know we usually end on that
question, but. Thank you obviously for sharing

(01:33:23):
your time with us and honor, man.
What's the legacy that Martin Cedra wants to leave?
Behind. Revival, man, I want to see a
revival. I want to see an awakening.
I don't. Want to see?
I don't want to see Australia goto hell, man.
I really don't. I don't want to die saying
Australia, Australia's, you know, 20% gay or 50% Muslim.
I want Australia to be saved. So revival, I want to see an

(01:33:45):
awakening. And revival is not about one
person getting saved, although heaven rejoices over 1 Sinner
who repents. But revival is about seeing
nation saved. That's Ron Habon Key.
He saw 100 million people come to Jesus in Nigeria, in Africa,
100 million people. Not, not one, not two, 100
million salvations. And that's what we want in
Australia. I don't want 25.

(01:34:06):
I don't want 5 salvations. I'm happy.
I'm actually not happy. I'm rejoicing of it, but I'm not
satisfied. I, I, I need this country saved.
Some spiritual ambition. I like that.
We need this country. Saved.
It's not. We're not.
Yeah, it's revival or we die. That's how we say it.
Revival or we die. All right.
And in closing, I want you to speak directly to a listener who

(01:34:26):
maybe. Was a bit offended listening to
some of the things that we we'vebeen talking about, but they're
still listening. So what do you want to do?
What do you want Jesus to do with them this week?
Man, if if if you got offended Iwould say don't.
Use the word offended. I would say use the word
convicted by the Holy Spirit because remember the word of God
is sharper than any 2 edged sword and a sword stabs and it

(01:34:47):
cuts sometimes and it hurts. But God is doing that.
As John 15 says, God prunes you so you can grow more and bear
more fruit. And right now it's you either
going to walk away from his podcast and be like, I'm not
listening to these guys again. And you know, the salt podcast,
I'm not listening again. I'm going to get offended or
whatever. But don't allow the devil to do
that to you. Go after these podcasts, get on
your knees, repent to what God spoke to you about.

(01:35:07):
Repent whatever sin that you gotgot convicted of.
Repent, repent and go to church and allow the Holy Spirit to
make you more holy, more righteous, more, more in love
with God, more in love with the word.
And don't be scared of getting offended.
I love getting offended. Offend me so I can grow.
So let your offence lead into your repentance, not into you
abandoning God. And by the way, everyone

(01:35:29):
listening to me, make sure you share what God is doing on
Assault podcast. Like as, as Simon and George
said, subscribe, like share the salt podcast videos when you see
a Christian group that is not asscared to say the truth, the,
the, the, the best thing you cando is back what God is doing and
I will tell every listening to me listen, listen and listening

(01:35:50):
to me today. You don't want to be a part of a
podcast that sugar coat survivaland makes you like them.
You want people who love you enough to tell you the truth and
salt podcast. That's literally what they're
doing saying. Then I'll call the sugar
podcast. They called the salt podcast.
So makes you share what God is doing and back what God is
doing. Comment share subscribe because
it does help evangelize and reach the World.

(01:36:10):
Thank you so much. You're making our if we have an
intro now that's. Gonna make our new outro.
That's gonna. Be the outro this I've done
Yeah, that's awesome. Use it man.
Go for it. Thank you so much.
It is a. Pleasure meeting you, and I'm
sure we're gonna have more meetings.
And hopefully next time Millie can join us and we'll have a a
great job. We're gonna have you on with the
grace of God once you guys have a child.
And then we're gonna ask all thesame.
Done. I'll bring my little, my little

(01:36:32):
Arab, Arab kids around. Done.
But. Hybrid kids.
Yeah, yeah, a lot, 6 of them. Beautiful.
Thanks, guys. Thanks so much.

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