EP 15 | From Satanist to Saved: The Testimony of Riaan Swiegelaar Encountering Christ

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In this gripping episode of The Salt Podcast, we sit down with Riaan Swiegelaar, former Satanist priest, who shares his powerful journey from darkness to light. Once deeply involved in the occult and spiritual deception, Riaan encountered Jesus Christ in a way that forever changed his life.

We dive into:

• His early life and what led him into Satanism

• The deceptive allure of the occult and the hidden realities behind it

• First-hand experiences with demonic spirits and false power

• The miraculous encounter with Jesus that broke the chains of darkness

• How he found true freedom, peace, and identity in Christ

• His message to others trapped in spiritual confusion today

This is one of the most raw and eye-opening testimonies you’ll ever hear—reminding us that no one is too far gone for the saving power of Christ.

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Episode Transcript

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A founder of a Satanic. Church.
When I turned my back on to Christianity, many people don't
understand how people become Satanists.
I read the Satanic Bible. Thousands of Christians started
praying for me. I was very much in contact with
spiritual beings that you have atribe that you belong to and
it's the goats, it's not the sheep.

(00:20):
And it's usually over Easter andthen towards the end of October,
there's Halloween. This is where hundreds and
thousands of Satanists actually gather to practice ritual
together. That's the most more hectic type
of rituals. So when I got to the second
candle, this whole space lit up as if somebody was shining a
light into the space. There was this man standing

(00:44):
there. Every spirit that I saw during
that 20 year period, every Angel, every spirit guide, every
ancestor though that were all demonic.
A newspaper was actually delivered to their home one
Sunday morning and on the cover was I representing the South
African satiric church. Our victory is already in Jesus

(01:06):
Christ. This is the Salt podcast.
Let's pick up the Bible. Let's read.
Let's pray. Because that's what Jesus called
me to do. The Lord makes you that salt of
the earth. We need Christians to share the
truth. Preserve the world for Christ.
May this podcast be a beacon of light, this is.

(01:28):
The Salt Podcast. Welcome to the Salt podcast.
I'm George Iskander and with me always is my Co host Simon
Thomas Gilter. Today's guest is a former
founder and leader of the South African Satanic Church whose
life was turned upside down by an encounter with Jesus in the
middle of a ritual. He walked away from witchcraft,

(01:48):
psychic mediumship, human sacrifice and everything occult
for good after being flooded with the love he's never known.
Tonight, he's going to unpack what happens when darkness meets
grace, how you protect yourself in and in spiritual warfare, and
why there's no turning back onceyou've met the real Jesus.
Well, I cannot wait for this episode.

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However, before we get started guys, I just want to say one
quick thing. OK, Firstly, we love each and
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Thank you. Thanks, Simon, for interrupting
me. Without further ado, please
welcome joining us all the way from South Africa, Ryan
Swiglegler. Woo, yay.

(02:50):
Now I'm really sorry. I know I definitely butchered
that pronunciation. Simon.
I told Simon to say it but he hebacked out.
I know my limits. I know my limits.
Can you tell us how to? Say no.
I've, I've, I've, I've heard allsorts of versions throughout the
last two years being on different types of shows, but
you were close. You were close.

(03:10):
We had a. Good try.
Yeah. So how do you say it so we know?
It's I'm still good. Ryan, it is Ryan Simon.
Thank God your first name is easy for us.
So really excited to have you on.
We're just talking before we started recording.
Just saying that, you know, a lot of this topic in particular

(03:31):
is very polarizing and a lot of people when they, you know, hear
a lot more about this side of the equation, which is the
Satanism and The Dark World and the spiritual warfare on the
other side. It makes the other side even
more real because they're saying, of course, if that's
real, then the opposite must be true.
So it's a definitely a very interesting topic and we've seen

(03:53):
a lot of your content online over the last few years.
And we said we really need to have you on and ask you these
questions first hand because we're very interested and I
think our our viewers would be very interested too.
Yes, if I could, if I could maybe just mention I think it's
a good place to start to respondto what you said about people

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and how they respond to this type of content.
We have to, we have to remember that our victory is already in
Jesus Christ. And as the followers of Christ,
we are actually fighting from victory because of the cross and
the resurrection. So we're not fighting towards

(04:34):
victory. We we already have victory over
dark things. It's just about being aware of
what is going on around us and it's very much about taking our
authority that we have in Christwhen we're dealing with these
things. One. 100% we're very well said.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
That's that's amazing. I know we're going to get into a

(04:55):
lot of good stuff in this episode.
I'm personally very excited, Ryan, but as I don't know if
you've seen too many of our clips, but we like to start from
the very beginning. As the as the podcast goes on,
we delve deeper and deeper. So with that being said, we want
to know a little bit about your early childhood.
What was it like? And just did you ever think that
you would be a founder of a satanic church?

(05:19):
No, definitely not. So my my childhood was was a
very happy one. I grew up in a very happy
average household in the 80s. Both my parents were Christians
since I remembered, and my father also until the day he

(05:40):
passed away about just over a year ago.
And my mother's very much on fire for Jesus and always has
been. So I grew up going to Sunday
school every Sunday. Our parents made a point that we
do that. There wasn't anything traumatic.
I think the most traumatic thingthat happened to me as a child

(06:02):
was losing a pet, if honestly, if I think back about that.
So grew up in the church, went to Sunday school every Sunday.
Very traditional in terms of church and religion.
So towards the end of high school, I realized that there
must be something more to God than simply just going to

(06:25):
church. So I never had a, a real
relationship or encounter with God.
And I, I started searching for that and I left the church that,
that I grew up in and that my, my family was involved with.
And I went over to a more Apostolic type of church.
And then I dived into scripture very much.

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So I got to know the Bible very well.
I got baptized as an adult because obviously in the, the
more orthodox traditional church, I did get dedicated as a
baby and many people obviously don't see this as baptism.
So at that stage of my life, I very much bought into those type
of religious, you know, theoriesand legalism.

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So got baptized. I went to seminary school
because I, I was very much convinced that I'm going to be
in ministry. So I think that part I already
knew at a young age, but then because of of a lot of church
hurt and things that happened, Iactually left the church about

(07:30):
two years later. So I was 21 years old when I
turned my back on to Christianity and on on the
church. And then I ventured out and
again started looking for God inother religions.
So there was, there was almost ayear period where I went to
Buddhist temples and I went to the Hare Krishna ashrams and I I

(07:53):
went to meditation circles and Iwent into sootheism for a month
or two. But nothing really felt like
there was depth to it. So eventually I found my way to
a holistic center. So this was around the age of 23
when I had a psychic reading done the first time.

(08:17):
And I I also had some astrology charts drawn up and I started
doing courses in those type of things.
And then within a year I startedpracticing as a psychic medium
and there was a, a 15 year period of being in the holistic
industry as a professional practitioner.

(08:38):
So that became my life where I did all sorts of forms of
healing. I did a lot of rituals for
clients. I went into traditional healing
at one stage. And I think the reason I want to
mention this is many people don't understand how people
become Saitanus. I mean, you don't just wake up 1

(09:00):
morning and decide I'm going to be a Saitanus.
There's usually a process of things, unless you are born into
a family where there is Satanist, then then you are in
generational Satanism, which is also something we see a lot at
at the moment. But so for me there was a a 15
year period of being involved inthe occult and various forms of

(09:26):
it before I was even introduced to Satanism.
OK, very interesting. It's not what I would have
expected at all, that you were actually on a very Christian
path and then had that deviation.
That's very, that's very interesting.
So what, what drew you to Satanism?
When When it did, firstly how did it present itself, and then
what drew you? To OK further yeah, so I I had a

(09:51):
client who came to me for a reading and this was 2016.
And he told me that both his wife and girlfriend have been to
me. So they told him how accurate
the information is. And then he asked me, would I be
interested to learn more about Satanism and would I be
interested to read the Satanic Bible?

(10:13):
So if you, if you would have asked me that in 2003 when I
just left the Christian Church, I would have said absolutely
not. But because I've already been on
this path of deception and and having different theories about,
you know, it's all the universe and its energy and light and
dark doesn't really exist and those type of of beliefs, I

(10:37):
didn't see a problem with reading this eternic Bible.
And also I was practicing the occult and certain rattles by
theme. Hey, George.
What bro? I just want to ask you advice on
something. Oh, OK.
Lately I feel like my prayer life has been non existent.

(11:00):
Why do you think that is? Because I'm always on my phone.
Oh well. There's an easy solution for
that. Yeah, what's that?
Well, have you heard of Hello App?
No. It's the number one Christian
app in the world. Hold on, let me have a look.
Yeah, it's got a wide range of content.
It's got rosary, audio, Bible inthe year, daily reflections,
sleep, prayers and music. Oh.

(11:21):
Wow. It's deep in my faith through
guided prayer and meditation. And you know what else?
It's got a thriving global community of believers, so you
can connect and also put prayer requests.
So this app is like an all in one.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it means they're probably
going to charge an arm and a leg.
If you use our link hello.com/salt podcast you'll

(11:42):
actually get 3 months for free. Oh wow I definitely need to do
that. Thank you so much bro.
Back to the episode. So I read the Satanic Bible
after he gave it to me, and whenhe came back three months later,
he wanted to know my feedback and what I thought of it.
So I said to him, well, based onwhat I read, I am most certainly

(12:06):
a Satanist because Satanism in its, let's call it its
philosophy. So we're not going to, we're not
talking about its practice because that's a whole nother
story. But in terms of the philosophy,
it appeals to the person that feels that they don't belong in
the status quo and that they've experienced a lot of rejection

(12:28):
and heard from the Christian Church, and that the the very
reason for that is that that they are actually Satanists.
So I then got to meet other Satanists through him and I was
introduced to all sorts of people at social events, which I
was very impressed with because these were people on television,

(12:52):
these were people in the medicalfield, lawyers, these were
people in Parliament. So not what I expected at all.
I expected sighting us to be, you know, people who dress in
black and have tattoos or young people that's rebelling against
Christianity. So that was my kind of obviously
my preconceived ideas before I actually met other Satanists.

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So after about a year, I got initiated into Satanism.
And the one thing that I should also mention is no person that
gets initiated into Satanism hasany idea what's waiting for
them. Because reading about Satanism
and the occult on the Internet or on social media is a

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completely different experience than actually being involved in
it. And nobody will actually tell
you this is what's going to happen once you are initiated.
So you, you learn very fast thatthere's all sorts of things
that's expected of you and that you have to do if you want to
plan the hierarchy within Satanism, but also if you want

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to have real effect in your life.
So that's when I started attending rituals and that's
where I started seeing a lot of things.
But I think what's also important to mention it, it was
at the end of 2019 when seven ofus decided to Co found the South

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African Satanic Church. So the idea behind it was to
have an organization that speaksfor Satanism, but also to have a
network where people can can connect with the organization
and say that we are in this townor we are this part of the city

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and then we connecting with Satanists around them.
So those were the main 2 objectives.
It was, it was public relations with Satanism and it was to
create a network of Satanists inSouth Africa.
So in, in 2020, on Valentine's Day, the 14th of February, 2020
was when the South African Satanic Church was officially

(15:08):
registered. And when it went public.
And what I didn't know at that time was because my face and my
name was so public around the world speaking for this
organization, thousands of Christians started praying for
me. Wow, Wow, How interesting.

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So let me rewind a little bit. When you were doing that 15
years of the holistic kind of, you know, healing and all that
stuff, did you ever feel in thattime period that you were in
some kind of the spiritual realm?
Or did it all just feel as in itwas just energy and things like
that, but you never actually realized that it could be a

(15:51):
spiritual thing? Well, I've I was very much in in
contact with spiritual beings. So I was operating in the
spiritual all the time and for the, that those 15 years, I was
in in contact with all sorts of spirits and what I thought were
people's ancestors. So I, I had a permanent link, a

(16:14):
permanent connection to the spirit world, like every day of
my life. And even if I wasn't at my shop
or my practice, if I would go tothe shops or wherever I'd go, I
would see these beings around people, you know, or colors
around people. What, what I perceived that to
be. It was only during my
deliverance that that connectionand when God revealed certain

(16:39):
things to me about a year ago about what that really was
about. But now for for that whole
period, that 15 years plus the five years that I was involved
in Satanism, I was very much in in connection to the spirit
world illegally, meaning that obviously not as God allowed it
to be. And I also used so many

(17:02):
different types of plant medicine to access other levels
of the spirit world. So yeah, now for 20 years, it
was very real, but I didn't perceive it as what the truth is
about it because there's a lot of deception when you work in
those industries and you you meet a lot of good people.
That's the truth that works in those industries, but they are

(17:24):
deceived as well. That's interesting because you
didn't mention that there was a lot of affluent people that you
were experiencing or that you met during your your, your time
in the Satan church. So, yeah, I just find that so
interesting. So it's not like what people
would expect. It's actually everyday people,
people that are in high offices,people on TV, people in

(17:47):
entertainment, and they don't really speak about it outwardly,
but that you just meet them at these events, right?
They're. Probably not.
Allowed to, right? Yeah, the other thing I found
interesting is you started the. I know that there are some cults
or, or, or churches that don't call themselves directly the

(18:07):
Church of Satan, but they are Satanistic.
And I always heard something that, you know, when the devil
works, he can't, he can't reallydeceive like he has to, he has
to kind of tell you what he's doing before he does it.
So I find that interesting that you actually had the name the
Church of Satan or, you know, South African Church of Satan or
whatever it was. But there are some other ones

(18:29):
that kind of are under a bit of a veil.
And it's not really, you don't realize it's Satanic until you
get into it. So is there a difference between
the one that's really outwardly just saying, hey, no, we are the
Church of Satan and the ones that are, you know, not as
obvious? Well, I I personally won't say
there's really a difference. Some people might believe that

(18:50):
they atheistic Satanist or theistic Satanist, but at the
end of the day, it's all worshipping the devil.
So there's so many different branches in Satanism.
You also get like Luciferian organizations, you get the
Temple of State, for instance, You get, yeah, there's really
many, but it really comes down to the same thing.

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The reason why the organization that I was spearheading was was
so direct is that we want we wanted to be this the, the
spokespeople for Satanism. So we wanted to call it for what
it is. And the other thing was that so
many people that were and probably still is involved in

(19:35):
Satanism are much older. So the majority of people who
who officially belong to satiricorganization are over 40.
They some of them even up to 60 because they've been citing us
for a very long time. But this this was a kind of a
safety need. So that because some of them

(19:57):
worked in in very prominent. Corporations that the moment
things about Satanism would hit the news, they can be an
organization that say no, we're sorry we are Satanists.
We are the sort of African Satanic church.
We are registered as a religiousorganization.
We speak on behalf of Satanism, not the media, not the Christian

(20:18):
Church, not you know what I'm saying.
So that was that was a very big part of it and and why it needed
to be an organization that from the word go say we are the sort
of African satanic church. OK.
So yeah. OK.
And did you ever really get be satisfied when you were
practicing Satanism? Did you ever feel a sense of

(20:40):
satisfaction? We ever felt fulfilled when
you're in that. On a.
On a on a flashy level on and physically, yeah, certainly.
I mean, I was very, very well paid for for doing that.
I made a lot of money from the occult.
I had access to a lot of, I don't know if I can say the word

(21:02):
drugs on the show, but you can do it out.
But yeah, I I had a lot of access to those things.
I had two Harley Davidson's, I had two cars, I had massive
house. So on that level, most certainly
yes, but definitely not on an emotional or spiritual level,
no. With your experience there, what

(21:24):
would you say was the common factor for people either joining
or wanting to join? Was there some common factor
like they felt alone, they felt neglected?
What would you say was the cause?
I would say people who are extremely rejected by all sorts
of, you know, like from, from Christian churches being

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rejected by Christian churches, people who had deep wounds from
from childhood and wanted to, toget revenge and power back into
their lives. So I would say those two things
especially. And was that like, was that
looked upon? Did you guys try like was it
trying to be found upon so you could see a weakness and then

(22:07):
not a weakness per SE, but something that could be
sensitive and then and then use that to an advantage of some
sort? Yes.
Well, so I'm not encouraging people to read the Satanic
Bible, but the Satanic Bible specifically targets people like
that. And so there's a reason why you

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have experienced those things. And it's because other people
feel that you are a Satanist without them knowing it on a
cognitive level, and that's why they rejected you and that you
have a tribe that you belong to.And it's the goats, it's not the
sheep. The the whole satanic dogma is
based on that. And that you are supposed to be

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your own God and that you are special.
And through Satanism you will find your true self and get to
be the most powerful version that you can be.
Well, OK. And what kind of things did you
do as a Satanist? Because I, I know you've spoken
about like astral projection and, and all these kind of
things, like, can you walk us through what, what, what, what

(23:10):
kind of access to power did you have or what, what would you do
so? I'll explain it in a way that
I'm not going to teach people tobe better Satanist, but that's
not the aim of this. Podcast how it is.
Usually how it is usually structured is after your

(23:32):
initiation you have a year to decide what type of satanic path
you want to follow. So do you want to be a seer?
Do you want to be a witch or a wizard?
Do you want to be someone that focuses on making money through
practicing witchcraft? Do you eventually want to be a

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priest or priestess? Do you want to conduct rituals?
So there's all sorts of paths that you could actually choose.
And then you usually are, you'reassigned to a coven to a smaller
group that is more practiced or experienced in that type of
direction. And then I know this is not a
question, but I'll mention this.So there's also a satanic

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calendar where there's 12 important dates through the year
of rituals that you have to attend in groups in covens.
And then there's 22 dates on theyear.
And it's usually over Easter. And then towards the end of
October, there's Halloween that you as a grotto, meaning this is
where hundreds and thousands of cyclists actually gather to

(24:38):
practice ritual together. And that's the most more hectic
type of rituals. So a lot of the a lot of your
time is spent to actually plan those rituals and to put things
in place to do it. And for me, obviously I was
running organization as well. So I was, I was in the office,

(25:00):
I'm in the Satanic church office.
A lot of my time. I did a lot of news.
What's the word? I'm looking for appearances for
the sort of African Satanic church to constantly address
things. You constantly look on social
media where people talk about Satanism and you obviously
correct them, which was completelies.

(25:23):
But there's certain things you have to say about Satanism.
So that was my life, basically, yeah.
Well. We've gone through that part of
it now to get on a sort of on a flip note of it.
Was there a specific moment or event, Ryan, that made you
question everything and want to start seeking the truth?

(25:46):
Yeah, so I. Wasn't.
I Wasn't. When I actually had my encounter
with Christ. I wasn't looking to get out of
Satanism. So I was actually very happy in
the organization. I wasn't.
And I mean, also remember I didn't believe in God or in
Jesus at the time. So there's a difference between

(26:08):
what I did and people contactingus for our ministry.
So in in the ministry that we involved in, we specifically
work with people that that is involved in Satanism and who
want to get out and they contactus.
So my experience was not that I was, I was actually what I
thought was I was a very happy person and I wasn't seeking for

(26:30):
anything. So I I had a very intense
personal encounter with Jesus Christ.
And that was the first time whenI actually believed that Jesus
is real. And that's when I decided that
I'm going to follow him. So that was quite a bit of a
process to get out and also to resign my position and to turn

(26:56):
my back on to Satan, on to Satanism and to follow Christ.
That that was a quite intense process.
But does it answer the question?Yeah, yeah, definitely so.
Can you tell us more about that specific experience?
What happened or how did you experience him?
Absolutely. Absolutely.
So in May 2022, this was the 24th of May actually 2022, I was

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supposed to do a certain ritual and twice a year there is 7
satanic organizations around theworld that have like an online
type of meeting where they plan the Satanic agenda and they look
at how far the satanic agenda isprogressed at that stage and

(27:46):
what needs to be done next. So at that time, every satanic
organization decided that they need to get someone in their
organization to perform the sameritual which involves crying.
So to look into the spirit worldfor certain answers and because

(28:07):
of my background as the psychic medium, the church council
thought it good that I should bethe person to do that ritual.
So I booked out as a part of thesectaric church.
There was a lower temple that was under the parking area, so I
booked that out for this specific ritual.

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And on the evening I started preparing for this ritual, so I
didn't actually get to start it,they stole people saying that I
made Jesus in a satanic ritual, which I never claimed and said
that I've never said that in my life.
But people seem to think not that it really matters.

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But anyway, so I was actually preparing for this ritual and
there's a lot of preparation when it comes to satanic
rituals. Like it's not as simple as you
light a candle and I'll say to them and there you go.
So I was busy putting out tools and I was busy lighting candles

(29:11):
on the floor and these 5 candlesthat you're supposed to light at
the the point of of a star. So when I got to the second
candle, this whole space lit up as if somebody was shining a
light into the space. And I stood up and I turned
around and there was this man standing there and I have no

(29:37):
idea who he was. And I asked him like, who are
you? And like, what are you doing
here? You know, like very
confrontational and he said to me, I'm Yeshwa of Nazareth.
And. I said I'm very sorry.
Like I'm not going to believe that because.

(30:00):
This is obviously a trick. Or something.
Then you'll have to prove it. And the next minute he flooded
me with the most intense, beautiful love that I've ever
experienced. And it was so overwhelming that
I fell to my knees and and as itsays in the word, every knee
shall bow. That is indeed the truth.

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And when I actually looked up, he was gone.
So that that experience was probably at least in 2 minutes.
And I didn't get to do the ritual at all.
In fact, I was completely questioning my own sanity at
that stage. And I actually locked up the

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space. I got into my car.
I drove home. I also remember for some reason
that that it was like the whole world actually went quiet.
Like like somebody turned off the sound of the world.
So it was like, yeah. And when I got home, I realized
how exhausted I was. Like I was completely drained.

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I took to bed for like 4 days that I had no energy.
I ignored my phone of course. Obviously the Satanic Church
wanted to know what is the feedback of the ritual and why
didn't I come back to the office.
Hey, Simon. Simon, one second.
George, please. What was that for?

(31:34):
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(31:54):
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(32:16):
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Yeah, well, back to the episode.So.
On the 4th day, it was 3:00 thatmorning a voice woke me up and

(32:42):
said you need to go to the beachand.
My first thought. Was while I'm already going
insane so I can just take the scenic route now and I I drove
to the beach and I started having conversations with God.
For the first time in my. Life about everything, my whole

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life about everything that I thought God is and God's not.
And it God is so much bigger than we can ever imagine.
And God has so much love for forus as humans.
And God actually wants a very close relationship with us
because he already knows us. He he knows how many hate you

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have on your head. He knows everything about you.
But God also wants us to know him and God wants a very close
relationship with us. So those were some of the things
that I that I started understanding and I knew there
was actually no choice for me but to follow Jesus.

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And I didn't yet know what that's going to involve.
So I had to go through a massiveprocess of deliverance.
That was a 10 month period and it wasn't like every day there
was, there was 9, I would say 10sessions of, of deliverance.

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And I wrote a lot about that in my, in my diary and, and I quite
often refer to it when we teach our courses, but that was quite
an intense process by itself. And it's not the same for
everybody. So not every person that, that
needs celebrance will have to gothrough that because not every

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person has been involved with them who called on the level
that I was. And during my, my deliverance
process around the 4th or 5th session, my connection to the
spirit will completely severed. So all the beings that I used to
see, all those things, it saved it completely.

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And I realized that God didn't want me to have that connection.
And last. Year, I'm going to jump the gun
a bit probably, but last year atthe beginning of last year when
I when I was called into this ministry full time and I had a
lot of resistance about it. The one thing I asked God was

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the way I perceived the spirit world for 20 years.
If that was accurate, Everythingthat I see and I have seen
about, you know, angels and people's ancestors and spirit
guides and all those things likewas it actually accurate?
And I need to know And God didn't answer me immediately and

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I started fasting about it. And few days into that, God
actually showed me for just a few minutes what the spirit
world actually looks like. And the spirit world is not
something that's up there on another dimension.
It's actually here around us like all the time.

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And every, every spirit that I saw during that 20 year period,
every Angel, every spirit guide,every ancestor that were all
demonic, it was all familiar spirits that was deceiving me.
So that was a massive eye opener.
And also to see that the war is literally around us all the

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time. It's it's not happening
somewhere up there. Spiritual warfare is going on
around us whether we like that or not.
Wow, that's. Unbelievable.
So did you actually get a chanceto see the actual good, because
you said that you realize that that was all demonic.
Did you get a chance to see, forexample, angels or like actual

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angels or Saints or holy figuresas well?
No, I, I, I didn't see angels asan angelic beings because I
honestly, every time I've spokento God about it and they govern
a much higher haven than is hereon earth very much.

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I think that that people who claim to see angels and that
they look like people with wings, that is completely
untrue. I don't I don't think the Bible
is very clear what angels look like.
And I don't think our brains would comprehend if we would
actually see Angel or angelic beings because of their their

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presence. But yeah, I hope that answers
the question. Yeah.
Yeah, no, it does. Ryan, that first.
Time when you said you were driving to the beach, when you
thought you were going crazy andyou were speaking to God, you
said you said you felt God's love for our viewers there.
Because that put a smile on my face.
What? What does feeling God's love

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feel like, especially when you feel as though you've been so
far away from him? If you could just describe that
please. It fell.
It feels like everything that I looked for for 20 years without
knowing what that is suddenly came together and there was a
Christ size hole in my heart without realizing it and

(38:09):
suddenly there was complete peace and still is told to die.
So for the last, for the last three years and four months.
It was the exception. Of 11 days, I've spent at least
three to four hours with God every day when we have
conversations and I spend time in His Word and I write things
down South. It is incredible to have that

(38:34):
connection and sense of peace. And I think life becomes a very
different perspective and a lot of things just doesn't matter
anymore. Wow.
That's amazing. I'm very happy for you.
That's fantastic. I'm.
So glad that God revealed Himself to you.
I did hear before you mentioned that your pet, you believe your

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parents, played a big role in basically Jesus coming to you
and getting you back on path. Can you tell us a little bit
about that? Sure.
So when my parents found out that I was involved with
Satanism, and I mean they, they only found out in the newspaper,
right? So a newspaper was actually
delivered to the home one Sundaymorning and on the cover was I

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representing this is African satiric church.
So they made an appointment to come and see me and this was in
2020. And they asked me if this was a
serious thing or if it's a prankor what is the idea.

(39:39):
And I remember I. Asked him what difference does
it make? And my mother said to me,
because we want to know how to pray for you.
And then I broke contact with myfamily, not because they didn't
want to speak to me. It was me.
I, I broke all contact. So when I finally reconnected
with them four years later, which is 2 years ago, almost two

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years ago, my mother actually showed me that she wrote my name
in her Bible at many verses thatGod gave her.
And they immediately went into pray.
They they didn't. Go into a panic and they knew
because I was dedicated as a baby in a church and like I

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said, a lot of denominations will will call that baptism.
I don't have a problem with thatbecause what we have to realize
is that we are observed by the spirit world the whole time.
So if the demonic sees you as parents taking your baby to
church to be dedicated in front of witnesses, that child is
dedicated to the throne of God. And working in this ministry,

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we've also seen that the people who were were christened or
dedicated as babies get out of Satanism much easier than other
people. And you can only get to a
certain level in Satanism if if you have been dedicated as a
baby. So my parents stood on those
promises that they made God to God to dedicate me to his

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throne, and they knew that I will come back into the Kingdom
of God. So they prayed that the whole
time and declared that the wholetime.
And my mother especially said that that she told God many
times that she stands on his promises because he's faithful.

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What a woman of faith. That is amazing.
Unbelievable prayers. Of your you know, our mothers
are so strong and in this circumstance it really showed so
can I, can I? Can I tell you something that
that I read the other day, whichis absolutely beautiful and and
why why parents are such awesomeintercessors?

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So there's a part in the Bible where it speaks about Jesus and
he was walking with his disciples.
And they were were. Walking past a funeral
procession and it was of a mother who lost her child.
And it says they. She was crying and Jesus was

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moved. Yeah, by the tears of the.
Mother. Wow, wow, very strong you read
that passage so. Many times, and now it just
makes a lot of sense, he says. It puts so much more.
Perspective into it. Yeah, exactly.
You've. Seen.
And and as I read that God showed me, This is why.

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This is why when a mother, especially our mothers, are our
most powerful intercessors, theybirth us.
Yeah, let me ask you A. Question do you think without
the love of your mother in your life you would have been able to
still overcome the way you have?I would say.
Yes, because it's Jesus. It's definitely because of Jesus

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that I had. So I'm not pushing what my
mother has has done to the side.And I mean, God also showed me
there was a thousands of Christians around the world
praying for my salvation. And that's why God manifested in
the way he did, because God is omnipresent already.
God is present everywhere. God is at every satanic ritual,

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God is at every brothel, God is at every hospital, God is at
every every drug deal. God is present day.
But then you get the manifestation, the manifesting
power of God. And that's when, when God runs
down to us, to where we are likewater.
And God works behind the scenes very often.

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And it is because of prey that makes such a difference.
So I I know that the the role that my mother played and my
parents is very important. But it is because of Jesus that
I have overcome and that I am the way I am.
Amazing. So now that you've found him, do
you ever think you'll let him go?

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So. I didn't find Jesus.
Jesus found me. Because Jesus was never lost.
I was lost. That's right.
Wow. Yeah.
Good point and. Absolutely no, because if you've
actually made Christ, if you actually had an encounter like
that, there's no way that yeah. And I mean, it's part of my

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life. I'm, I'm, I'm in ministry.
I work for Jesus full time. Jesus has never failed any of
the promises that he made me. God has never failed any of the
promises. I partner with the Holy Spirit
every day the the moments I've had over the last three years
that were difficult. Every time I cry out to God,

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Jesus comes and picks me up. So no, no.
All right with that being. Said, Has all communication that
you used to have with The Dark World ceased, or do they still
try and get to you? Or do they still try and contact
you with anything that that could be?
When you say dark. World, do you mean spiritual or

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do you mean physical people? No, no, there's the.
Spiritual darkness. The spiritual darkness that we
used to encounter. OK.
So I I experience the same amount of what can we call it,
interference and attack. As any Christian, I'm just more
aware of it, but I experienced the same amount of attacks that

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you are. And every person on this planet,
especially Christians are experiencing demonic contact on
a daily basis. We most people are just not
aware of it. And Paul speaks of this in in
Ephesians where he speaks of thefiery arrows being shot at us
all the time. And that's our mind space.

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So our mind space is the battlefield.
It's it's where the first connection or suggestion come
and that's every person, like I said.
And I I'm not experiencing any more severe demonic interference
than the average person, especially after my deliverance.
It's completely different for me.
And I think most people aren't the way that they even getting

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suggestions and temptation from the devil.
But the reality is we are. Yeah, I think.
That's very true. We, we recently had a guest on
our last episode called Jamie Zoo.
He's a popular influencer, has about 10 million followers and
he actually went through, he wasbasically his story.
Just to summarize. He was very successful, very

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famous, had everything he wantedin life, still felt depressed,
suicidal, empty. He ended up going to all these
spiritual healing places, Reiki healing and Hindu guy did all
this stuff, got demon possessed.But basically the the conclusion
was he ended up getting delivered and coming to Christ
and very, very similar story in terms of feeling God's love that

(46:59):
moved him to tears. He just stepped outside of a
church for the first time and hefelt God's flooded with with
love. And he kind of mentioned the
same thing that now it's he's not, it's not that he gets any
demonic contact, but he's more sensitive to it and he can see
it more and he understands it more because what he's been
through, he can, he can understand, OK, that's a

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devilish suggestion, for example, or that's the devil
pushing me here. And maybe other Christians may
not know that or be aware of it.Yeah, correct.
So on. Another point, what, what limits
does the devil have? Like if somebody is for example,
like what's the limits? Because people think, oh maybe

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can the devil read our minds? Can the devil make me do
something? Can the devil physically harm
me? What's where's his limits at?
OK. I lost that question.
So I think if more people would actually read the Bible, they
will see where does the devil's access begin and where does it
end. The one thing that that that is

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a very big misconception, especially in Christian
churches, is when they speak of legal rights and that that
people can give the devil legal rights to them.
And no, that's completely untruebecause of what Jesus did on the
cross. Jesus cancelled every legal
right that the enemy ever had tous.

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But we can give the devil accessand permission to our lives by
opening certain doors, right? But still we have authority over
that. And the Bible is like a, a
contract, a binding contract that that tells us this is our
rights and our authority and identity.

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And this is where the enemy's rights and, and, and authority
begins and ends. And demons are also very much
bounded by God's word. They just don't want us to know
it. So in spiritual warfare and in
deliverance, you have to remind them that I actually know I am
in Christ. I actually know what my freedom

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and salvation looks like. I know what authority Jesus gave
me to cost you out. I know what axis you have and,
and what you don't have. The The thing is though, we have
to understand that God's Word, it's not a rule book and it's
not to control us, It's to keep our relationship safe with Him.

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It's to keep that covenant safe that God wants with us.
So if there's something in the Bible that tells us that do not
go and drink of that cup, do notengage with demons, don't engage
with necromancers or astrologersor fortune tellers or whatever,
it's not to control us, it's to protect that relationship
because God knows. And the doors that people open,

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they never marked 666. They are marked with things like
the Enneagram and yoga and astrology and tarot readings and
crystal healing and that type ofthing.
That's how those doors are marked.
So if we think of our relationship with God or that
covenant as as a room that has afireplace in it and it's very

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warm and cozy inside and you feel safe and you feel warm and
suddenly I open a window or a door, the outside will come in.
The the feeling of what is goingon in the outside will have
effect on the inside. And it's the same of these type
of doors. So many people open doors and

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then there's a progression of things that happen.
So it doesn't always start with demonic oppression.
Sometimes it just starts with. Being extremely.
Confused or questioning your faith or struggling to pray or
not feeling like reading the Bible suddenly, do you
understand? So it's not always that obvious.

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And that like, here we go and somebody has been oppressed or
possessed by a demon. It usually doesn't start like
that. Oh, very interesting.
Very. Sad time thing.
Yeah, over. Time.
So you mentioned a whole bunch of.
Things like yoga, astrology, allthis stuff which a lot of people
may think, oh, it's harmless, it's this or that.
Actually, I have a discussion with my mum all the time about
astrology. She doesn't, she doesn't like
read astrology, but she'll think, oh, what month is that

(51:26):
person born in? They're, they're a Libra.
It means they must be stubborn. You know, she says stuff like
that and she thinks it's harmless.
And I'm saying mum, that's demonic, it's satanic.
Don't even believe that stuff. As if there's any science behind
it. So this is I'm going to show
this episode to my mom. So tell me from your point of
view, is that is it wrong to think that, you know, even just

(51:47):
as a as a casual belief? Oh yeah, maybe someone's born in
this month. They're more inclined to be XYZ,
Yes. Yes, let me tell you why.
It takes our identity away from who we're supposed to be in
Christ and it assigns it assignsa personality to you.
It and astrology isn't just something that you're not just

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one thing. According to them, there's 12
houses that determines and it's based on, you know, the time of
birth, the, the, the place, the date, etcetera.
But the issue with that is it takes a person's identity away
from Christ, who we are supposedto be in Christ and who God has
created us to be as unique individuals.

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And it assigns a personality type to you.
And that's why it is demonic, because it deceives people into
thinking they are something elsebut a unique creation of God.
Hey George, what bro? I just want.

(52:54):
To ask you advice on. Something.
Oh OK. Lately I feel like my prayer
life has been non existent. Why do you think that is?
Because I'm always on my. Phone.
Oh well, there's. An easy solution for that, Yeah.
What's that? Well, have you heard of Hello
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It's the number one. Christian app in the world?
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(53:15):
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(53:35):
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I definitely need to do that. Thank you so much bro.
Back to the episode. OK.
Interesting, and the other discussion I usually have with

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my mum is about the evil eye, soI don't know if you know
anything about that, but a lot of discussion I do.
Yeah. So she she believes that the
evil eye like, you know, someonecan, for example, you know, see
you and, and, and just by a bad look or a bad feeling, like, you
know, and I always say like, no,we're protected by Christ.
We don't. It only effects you if you
believe it, if you believe in it, then maybe it will be

(54:19):
acceptable. Or if you believe in the
horoscopes, it will it will affect you that that is that.
Is referred to as a loaded object.
So if you if you take those typeof charms and you put them in
your house, your front door, you'll wear them in jewelry.
They are loaded object because of their creational purpose.
And that can bring demonic interference as well as

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infestation into your home. Because as you say, we supposed
to rely on the blood of Christ to protect us.
And why is the blood of Jesus not enough for you?
Interesting. All right.
Let's. Take it away from astrology for
a second. I want to, I just want to ask a
question for my sake, George. As you know, a lot of our

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audience is made-up of younger men.
So could you give us an insight for how the devil targets young
men and what they should look for in order to try and stay
away from these things? Absolutely.
I'm just going to take. A sip of water.
Yeah, sure. So you and your mom have a lot

(55:23):
of conversations, huh? She's going to love this
episode. Yeah, definitely.
And a lot of arguments turns youafter.
Sorry, continue. Yeah, so young people, both men
and women are targeted at the moment and especially between
the age of 15 to 25. And it's done through social

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media mostly that that is what'shappening at the moment.
So if you scroll through social media, there's always some thing
about the occult or Satanism, whether it's a psychic reading
or symbols being projected when people look at it.
So there's a desensitizing goingon at the moment about Satanism

(56:07):
and also encouraging people to follow certain things if they
want to be more successful or have knowledge about self.
So it comes through temptation very much.
So that is what we need to be aware of and I think if.
If we spent. More time with God and we get to

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know God's voice. The Holy Spirit will actually
warn you when you are looking atsomething or even even starting
to press buttons or opening links, whether this is a good
thing or not. And that's why it's so important
to know the voice of the Holy Spirit and have discernment,
especially in today's time. The reality is though, that
young people are being targeted specifically because as I spoke

(56:54):
earlier about the Satanic agendaand, and certainly we won't have
enough time to go into it today.But part of that is the
targeting of young people because they need Satanism to to
still exist in a few years. And the majority of Satanists at
the moment are between 50 and 60.
So a younger audience is being recruited very actively and for

(57:17):
the occult and Satanism. And is is it true?
In fact, that Hollywood and, youknow, the music world is run by
a lot of these demonic symbols. Or do they just do this to be
like controversial or is it actually demonic?
No, it's very much. Actually demonic and that's why

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you will see a lot of things, even Rachel's been practiced
openly for entertainment. People going to concerts, for
instance, where there's a satanic ritual on the stage.
They are being part of that ritual without them even knowing
it. We we are seeing that it's not
being hidden anymore. It's becoming more open and

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accessible for people. Also the the mocking of
Christianity, we will see more of that way more and it's not to
actually get upset as the followers of Christ because I
can promise you God is not surprised by any of this.
It's for us to actually keep on representing being ambassadors

(58:21):
for his Kingdom so that people can get to know Jesus through
us. We supposed to be the hands and
the feet of Christ. I don't I want to bring it back
on to just one more topic with the topic of lust.
Lust is one of the biggest temptations among all people.
But with especially with youngermen, as you said in that age

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record of say early teens, late teens to early 20s.
What would you say is the best way for them to protect
themselves from falling into it over and over and over again?
So. Sometimes people have What is
the word I'm looking for? It's not a soul tie.

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There's the word for habitual sin.
But anyway. Yeah, especially thing if we
look at things like pornography and that type of thing, it is a
weapon. It is the weapon of the devil to
make people fall into it. And it's not about trying to be
perfect, OK? It is actually about being open

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enough to repent even if you have to repent every day.
Because if we repent and when werepent for sin, the devil can't
use that against us. So.
And I'm also not saying that grace gives us a license to sin,
but if you are struggling with anything to do with lust
specifically is to have a very open conversation with God about

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it. And, and please don't think you
can hide anything from God. So it's better to actually have
an open conversation and, and, and ask God to forgive you
because you are in Jesus Christ and that to help you also to
fight that. But please don't think for one
second that you're going to be able to do it.
In your own power, because it's God that makes us righteous.

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It's not from our own works thatwe become righteous.
But the most important thing there is to realize that
anything that you have shame of or guilt and that you feel
you're struggling with and you're going to fail, the devil
will use that to blackmail you. And so it is important to be
honest and open. And I also think men should

(01:00:33):
start having support in churchesto be able to talk about these
things. To their brothers.
Without being judged because brothers who stay together and
pray together can stand strongerand they become better husbands
for their wives one day. 100% I.Agree yeah, it is a bit of a

(01:00:54):
taboo topic and a lot of people avoid it but you know, we should
all you know, stand with each other and help each other 100%
strongly the more you. Open up about it, you'll know
that there's so many people withyou and you can become stronger
together because you don't know what this person's experienced
or that person can have an accountable.
By the way, because. Absolutely the devil.
The devil uses that Shyman guiltthat's to break people.

(01:01:17):
Down right. And and make them feel they're
not good enough for the Kingdom.OK, very well said.
One switch gears a little. Bit we talked about this a
little bit off camera that, you know, I've heard before that
there's a lot of abortion clinics that for example, after
hours when patients are maybe sedated, they might bring in a
Satanic priest and the moment the child is aborted, they

(01:01:38):
actually offer that child to Satan.
Now, is that actually true? And does that actually happen?
So I'm going to. Talk from my experience and what
I've done and witnessed myself. So it doesn't always happen that
the Satanic priest comes into the clinic, but there's many
medical professionals who are Satanists.

(01:02:00):
So many of the fetuses that I'veseen used at Satanic rituals is
obtained from these abortion clinics.
Do you understand? So then they, they would bring
those fetuses to Satanic ritualsso that I've witnessed.
And then also there's certain abortion clinics in the states.
There's 2 specifically that's run by the Satanic Temple.

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So you can Google that. You could just put in TST
abortion clinic and then you cansee where they are and that
they're routing out more of themand asking for funding to do
that. So there's even rituals on the
website that you can do as a woman who's pregnant if you want
to abort your fetus. So they give you the rituals
that you need to do for that. So it's blatant, like I said,

(01:02:43):
actually in the open already. This is not even a thing that's
been eaten anymore, but it's been going on for years,
definitely. I've heard that.
Abortion in particular is something that wounds the the
father's heart because the deviluses that to hurt the father as
much as possible. It's.
A Satanic. Ritual.

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And remember, it's about death. The the opposite of everything
about Satanism. Is the works of God inverted and
everything that Satan represents?
So abortion is death. That is satanic.
It's a satanic ritual by definition.
Wow. And I've heard you say before,

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as you mentioned, some medical professionals can be Satanists
and, and utilize that. I've heard you mentioned before
that sometimes teachers are Satan worshippers and you don't
know that. And they actually try and curse
their children or, or put suggestions to the children in
their classroom. But you said some kids are
protected. Can you explain a little bit
about that? So again.

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Just from my experience, I remember at the time when I went
to rituals and social gatheringsthat they were a group of of
people specifically that were ineducation and specifically three
women who worked with the children on nursery level or
aged care level. And they were constantly

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projecting thoughts with actual projection into the children's
heads to actually make them interest interested in satanic
symbols or wanting to draw certain pictures.
And they will they will see in the results with during art if
that has worked by what the children actually draw.
But point being, so they constantly complained about some

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children in the class who they could not project to.
And all they said is the way they perceived it, you know,
because of their access to the spirit world.
So I'm not saying as a Christiantoday that that is the accurate
way it looks. I'm saying from a satanic
perspective, these children had this blue torch light around

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them that couldn't be penetrated.
And it's only later when, when Istarted working in this
ministry, that I figured out those were the children that the
parents were playing the blood of Jesus over, that those
children were so covered by the blood of Christ that no astral
projection or anything could getto them.
Well, so. Definitely a take home message

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is parents pray over your children.
Oh yes. Wow, wow.
I want to move on to, we were talking about to actual
projecting, but also with psychics.
Ryan, I want to know how can a psychic explain certain things
to you about your life and they could somewhat be true.

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Is there say a devil that that observes you in life or that
knows something about you and then pass it through to this
person? Yes.
So as I, as I said earlier, I did that work myself and I
thought I was seeing people's ancestors and spirit guides, but

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the truth is every person on this planet is assigned a
familiar spirit that observes them.
And it's a it's a demon. And these demons also attach
themselves to families like generational they, they move
down and then later somebody paused, they come back to the
and then observe the baby. But so these familiar spirits

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observe as our whole lives. They can't read our thoughts and
they can't read our hearts, but they can hear our words and they
observe our actions. Now, if somebody and when
somebody goes to a psychic medium, those familiar spirits
would come through and mimic a loved one that has Passover.
And a psychical medium will thenbe able to see a facade of what

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that familiar spirit wants to look like.
And then I remember I could accurately explain the past
events to the person sitting in front of me as if that that
person's loved one is explainingit to me.
And accurate details like names and dates and St. addresses and
things like that. Because the familiar spirits

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know this, and because they've observed the person, the problem
comes in. And the danger comes in when you
start making predictions about people's lives.
And then because you were. So accurate about the past.
They then believe that and they they wither off more and more
from what God wants for them. Wow.

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Because the. Devil wants to.
Steal your blessings that God intends for you.
Wow. So on that point, obviously
seeing it's black and white, seeing a psychic is, is a no go
because you're opening a door there.
You mentioned earlier on one of the dates, you said there were
12 important dates and you mentioned Halloween, which I
found interesting because I've heard many times that Halloween

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is. I don't.
And again, I don't know if it's true, but they say it's one of
the devil's most sacred nights and that even a kid
participating in Halloween is like opening a door.
Is that true? That's.
Very true. And until Levi, who is who
codified Satanism in the 60s, said himself, he's so happy to

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see that one night of the year, everybody's allowing the
children to be Satanists and to take part in that.
Wow. Wow.
So. Let's say.
Let's say, let's say for interest, I'm just explain this
to you. Let's say there's a
neighborhood, and in that neighborhood there's three or
four houses that celebrate Halloween.

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Every house between those housesbecomes part of a satanic
ritual. Oh wow, what?
So it's one massive. Satanic ritual taking place in
an area when people celebrate Halloween.
Wow and. I mean, in America it's really
big and all the kids do it. Thank God in Australia it's not

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that big. Christmas.
Wow, on on that point, since you've kind of understand a lot
about obviously what what is divine and what is holy, like
Christ. Obviously when you were more
involved in the Satanic world, was there any other religions
that for example, like Buddhism or Islam or or Hinduism that had

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an attachment to the Satanic church?
Or you found that that it was easier, for example, for someone
in those religions in particularto to come on board because
there are some hidden messages or symbols in other religions.
So during my time in scientism, at the static rituals, I've seen
many Christian pastors, while more than once who call

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themselves prophets, come to satanic rituals.
Oh wow, really? But I mean that is.
That is not true Christianity and it's it's these prophets
that that claim to have these powers.
And it's also psychic ability that they're using way they
build the whole church, you know, on the prophetic ability

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and these mega churches with thousands and thousands of
people that simply come to worship the prophet.
They're not there to worship God.
So that those were were, if I could say from another religion
that the people who would come to Satanic rituals the most
were, were those Christian prophets.
And I'm saying Christian, but young.

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Interesting. OK, because yeah, that makes a
lot of sense. I did hear they want them to
idolize. Themselves, like they want the
people to idolize them. Yeah, and I did hear.
That there was, which is the. Foundation of Satanism is the
worship of self. It's me, me, me.
Yeah, I did hear that. There was a plan or a strategy
to get Christians that are undercover, like for example,

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either priests could be in the Catholic Church, could be
pastors that are actually satanic, but to infiltrate the
church. So then they can kind of deviate
the their congregation from following the truth.
Is that something that you are aware of?
No, because. Because that was part of the
previous Satanic agenda and it'snot in place anymore.

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My point, and this is my argument when, when people
because I've, I've seen 38 Satanists being saved by Jesus
in the last three years. So I've personally witnessed
that and we take them to churches, right?
And then suddenly people start coming and saying that aren't
these Satanists trying to infiltrate churches?

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Now my argument is if you know who God is.
Do you think a? Satanist coming into your church
is not going to encounter God inhis full power.
And and I mean, there's no way that anybody that walks into a
Holy Spirit full church, whetherthey are Satanist or not, are

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not going to encounter God or the love of Christ.
Do you understand? So this this paranoia about
Satanist infiltrating your church, it means that your
church is not under the coveringthat it should be.
Hey, Simon. Simon, one second.
George, please. What?

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What was that for? Haven't you heard?
About the daily wisdom world. Oh.
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Wow. And there's one for each and
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(01:13:01):
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OK. And you, you mentioned the
Satanic agenda, which I, I, I heard and you talk about before
that there's like a nine year plan.
So just briefly the nine year plan in the last nine years, the
biggest event that we had was COVID.
Was that something that was satanic on this?
It's had to give an agenda to kind of cause fear and control

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or confusion or no, No. So, so COVID was not on the
satanic agenda. COVID was definitely not from
God. I know we could all agree on it,
but it it was not on the currentagenda now.
OK, that's interesting. Because a lot of people thought
that that could be the case, Yeah.
You mentioned, though, that there was like this agenda or

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the last one that you were awareof is that they're trying to
have a one world religion to be pushed out.
I heard you mentioned that. What is the, like relevance of
that to have a one world religion?
Or why would they want to push people to that?
Is that just to get people away from Christianity onto something
else or what's the motive? Yes, yeah.
That that is the main motivationand the the current agenda is

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active until 2027 at the end of in 2027 and then it's going to
be the new 9 year agenda. But one of the points on it.
And I also think it's it's strange that people think that's
the whole agenda because I neversaid it's the whole.
That's one of 13 points on the agenda that I appreciate.
Must be the real that went. Viral, that's why.

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Yeah. And people freaked.
Out completely and I mean that'snot even the worst thing so but
but to come back to that it is about creating division in
churches which they're doing at the moment for the the purpose
of creating division because it's they Satanists know that if
Christians stand together and united they can overcome

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Satanism completely. So it's about creating division
in churches that when the day comes where Christians,
Christian leaders will be asked define Christianity for us, that
they will not get 20 Christian leaders or delegates to agree on

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it. And that's why Christianity is
not going to be considered a valid religion.
So that's the plan behind it. And there was something else I
wanted to say. Sorry, I forgot what was the.
Worst thing on the list? On the agenda?
So. I.

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Don't know if I should. Mention that but.
Yeah. We can.
I'm still thinking and I have been praying the last three
years if I should talk about this because it seems to create
a lot of paranoia amongst people.
What was the second one there? I would.

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I would say there's a event being planned and I I'm not
saying this will happen. You see, This is why I'm careful
to talk about it, because peoplehave been going around saying
I'm saying this will happen. No, right.
This is what they're. Trying to push whether they're
successful or not. Yeah, this is on the this.
Is on the agenda. Of course I I I immediately feel

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I shouldn't talk about this. OK, so I'm.
Going to listen to. What God tells me?
No, no. Fair enough.
Yeah. Why can I?
Why create paranoia and fear? Yeah, you're right.
And again, this is this. Is from a satanic point of view
and we are Christians. I'm a Christian today.
Fair enough. No, so the whole point of the
agenda isn't because I guess what people think of a Satanic

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agenda that all the powerful people in the world that are
Illuminati or Satanist, they come together, they have an
agenda and it like goes push. They believe COVID was like
something done by the Illuminatito to control the world.
And it was like, you know, so it's good to know that they
don't they're not that powerful.Like, because some people think,
yeah, they're the people that are running the world, are

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definitely Satanists and are, you know, elites and are like
using US like puppets. But clearly that's not the case.
It's just an agenda that they try and propagate.
It doesn't mean they're going tosucceed, but that's just their
goal. Correct.
OK, that's really good that we we clarified that.
Yeah. So we'd like to start this
segment called the Salty Round, which is basically a salty

(01:17:49):
segment where we ask you short, sharp questions and we just get
one or two, three word response,very short responses.
So I'll start and then we'll go one for one, me and Simon.
So what was the first age that you experienced anything
supernatural? I would say 14.
What's the most? Common occult system used today.

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Symbol. Symbol.
Sorry, different. Definitely the inverted
pentagram in various logos and things without it being that
obvious. Wow.
OK, one word for how demons communicate.
Temptation. What's the?

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Fastest way Satan gains influence over someone?
Temptation. Fair enough.
Yeah. So what's the most dangerous
month spiritually in the Sataniccalendar?
October. October.
Over, yeah. Halloween.
What's one color? Most associated with satanic

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rituals. Great.
What's one thing? Christians underestimate about
the enemy. That.
He is very, I want to say, deceiving.
There's a difference between lies and deception because

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deception is harder to discern. So the deception.
The deception. And on the footnote, what's one
thing that Christians underestimate about God?
How? Powerful God is, and that at the
end, God wins. What's the?
Most common recruitment method for new members.

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Social media, yeah. Well.
Definitely. What's the strongest single
prayer or phrase that can protect against demonic attack?
I know. I am in Jesus Christ, well and
last. One What's Satan's number one
goal? I think it's in the Bible.

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It's clear he will steal and destroy.
Yeah, that's right. That's true.
Wow. Excellent.
So I had another question for you since you've left the
church, because you said it was actually a really hard process
to get out of the Satanic churchonce you were involved.
If you can just very quickly, what did that look like?
And now that you're out, do you and you're kind of speaking

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openly about it? Is that putting yourself at
risk? OK.
So the reason it was a hard process for me is from a legal
stance because they made me signa non disclosure agreement and
when I started speaking about myexperience about Jesus and about
Satanism, they threw a lot of legal stuff at me like gag

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orders, seasoned assist letters,etcetera.
So then we had to get the organization D registered
because my NDA that I signed waswith the organization, not with
a person. So it took almost a year, three
months to get the organization Dregistered because since I left,

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three other Co founders also left.
So because we were four people as opposed to the three who
opposed it, we got it to pass. That first year I feared for my
life and I thought I was very I'm at risk.
God literally literally spoke tome one day and said Rianne, if

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you are obedient, you will be safe.
I will protect you. And since that day, I haven't
feared anything amazing. Wow, it's unbelievable.
So the other 3. That left Are they now
Christian? Two of them, yes.
Amazing. The.
Other one, I still believe that she will become a Christian as

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well. Because when, when I if I could
mention this because I I actually noticed this the other
day. So I'm not going to talk about
about Satanists now, but atheists.
So I had 24 atheist friends thatwere atheist when I left and
started speaking about Jesus, etcetera.

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Out of those 24 atheist friends,18 has come to Christ.
Wow, to this day amazing. Yeah, beautiful.
Well done. That's so good.
OK, well. With with what's been said,
because you have really, really been.
In depth this whole. This whole interview about the
encounters that you've had not only with Satan, but also how

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God's brought you in and it's usthat are far away from God.
What would be your message, Rihanna, to someone who's
currently caught up not necessarily in just the occult,
but also the the their own despair with their constant sin
and temptation? What's your message for them who
don't yet believe in Jesus? That Jesus is calling, that

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Jesus is not who religion teaches you to be.
It's so worth having a personal relationship.
Get to know God yourself before you make up your mind about God
also I noticed. At the beginning of our episode,
you were saying that with when Iwas when I was in in this world,

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this side of the world, I had everything worldly.
I had multiple cars, nice house or a lot of money.
But your, your, your spirit was empty.
Do you now that you've had both,where you've had the physical,
the physical enhances of everything and you've loved
everything that that that you'vebeen given and also spiritual
nourishment. What could you tell the viewers

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about both? Because that's something a lot
of people struggle with, to wantto have the fame, the money and
everything, but also trying to seek spiritual nourishment.
So we have. The one thing I realized about
the physical world and things like money and having things is
it all fades. It constantly fades and you

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constantly have to replace or maintain or get new ones or
whatever, but everything fades in the physical way.
If we step into the Kingdom of God, that foundation is solid.
It's an unshakable Kingdom, and to be part of it is the base
experience that anybody can hopefor.

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And Jesus is all the answers to all the questions.
It's. Beautiful, beautiful.
So we asked this question to allour guests.
We're called the Salt Podcast. Christ calls us to be the salt
of the earth. So what does it mean to be the
salt of the earth? To be the.
Hands and feet of Jesus on this earth that to show Jesus to

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people before they even meet him.
Beautiful Christ, if I could also end on one more question.
If this was your last day on earth, God forbid.
If this was your last day on earth, around what would you say
to all the viewers right now? That yeah, Jesus.

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Again, Jesus is the answer. Short and sweet short.
And sweet just. Like you do.
Oh Simon, thank you so much Rhian.
That was very enlightening. We learnt a lot from you and
definitely I think our viewers are going to take a lot from it.
So I really appreciate that. God bless you and your ministry.

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We pray that you your ministry grows and succeeds in you keep
doing fighting the fight and bringing people to Christ.
That's the ultimate thing. Absolutely odd, if we ever.
Visit South Africa We we. Would love.
To come down next to you and then maybe go see the great
white, the great white sharks. Lovely.
And if you're ever in. Australia, please hit us up as

(01:25:54):
well. We'll definitely love to see.
Thanks so much, Ryan. Thank you so much, Sir.