EP 8 | Veronica B: Choosing Christ Over Clout—Faith, Fame, OnlyFans & Not Compromising for Clicks - The Salt Podcast

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Welcome to the Salt podcast. I'm Georgia Skanda, joined
always with my Co host Simon Thomas Gilto.
Now today's guest, I have to sayI was a fan ever before I got to
know her. She's bold, she's hilarious,
unapologetically herself, an influencer, a comedian,
brilliant mind behind a wildly popular character, Auntie Selma.
But behind the laughs, there's someone with depth, with a faith

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background and someone with something real to say about fame
and culture and staying true to who you are.
So today we're going to go deep into the journey and identity,
her boundaries, her faith and what it's like to be a Christian
woman in a very online and opinionated world.
So somebody that I think really does perpetuate what it means to

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be the salt of the earth, leaving her flavour wherever she
goes. Please welcome Veronica B.
Hi, are you like editing claps into this?
You gotta give us clap your money, she.
She's got some good ideas. But I just, I felt, I felt like
that's my thing at the intro. That's alright.
Well. That was it.
That's why he gave me Woo. He gave.
You don't sound very excited to have me on.
Perpetuate's a big enough word for the whole intro.

(01:05):
To be honest, we've not rehearsed Perpetuate.
No. Well, welcome Veronica.
Very lovely to have you so I want to start off with a story
about you that I that I saw thatactually another thing that you
went viral for it was actually on Sky News.
So if we can pull up the story, basically what happened was you
were at a an event where you were basically you said

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something and you kind of felt forced to have to give an
apology. So firstly, what's it like to
be? No, no, no, I did not feel
forced to give an apology. That's just the clickbait type.
Yeah. Exactly.
I was not forced to do anything.Yeah, but this is what I'm gonna
address 'cause I like the way you you handled it.
But. And we'll watch a clip of what
your apology look like. But what's it like being, you

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know, your age, which will remain untold, but a young
person and then being on Sky News for a story like that?
Well, the the interview that went viral, it went globally
viral. So it was on a lot of news
outlets. It was kind of cool, to be
honest. I was like, wow, why am I going

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viral for this? I try so hard with all these
other things and this is what like this where I didn't even
try. I was just being like honest,
relating my experience, and that's what took off.
I was like, are you serious? But then it got misinterpreted
and everything like that. So I don't think any of the
articles are like good. They're not working in my
favour. But like any clout is good
clout. All right, well, look, let's

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let's watch the video that you, you made the apology that's lost
the video. Now here we go.
Can I just say I have not watched this since I've
uploaded? I'm gonna so I don't know.
I don't even remember. Did you upload this?
How long ago was this? I think it was January.
Oh wow, January of this year. And I assume that everyone by

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now has seen the viral interviewat the TikTok Awards where I
said that for me, being an influencer is hard work.
I know it looks fun, but it's hard work.
I've been copying a lot of online bullying through all my
comments and DMS, and I've had time to reflect over the past
few days. I've been reflecting.

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I've been seeing all your perspectives that you're writing
online and I just wanted to comeon here I guess and apologise.
I wanted to say I'm sorry for being honest and sharing my
honest experience. I forgot that it's 2024 and if
your opinion doesn't align with the loud minority then your

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opinion is wrong. A lot of you guys have been
telling me to touch some grass. Wow this is so nice.
I don't know why everyone was telling me to touch.
Grass. Like I guess I feel more
connected to Earth. Thanks for recommending that
ending is I guess what pissed people off.
Honestly, I loved how you handled that because there's a

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lot of hate online and you handled it in such a great way.
And actually what I want to pullup next is your website because
I again, I was when I was doing some prep for this interview, I
looked it up and I found, you know, my header.
Your header is amazing. If we can just pull that up as
well, Yeah, right there. So oh wow, Yeah, you don't shy
away from the negative. Comments.

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Well, I love that you. You're very straight forthcoming
with SO. Relax, you're a tick tocker.
It's cute watching you fall apart.
Wow. So how how do you get to a stage
where that doesn't impact you oraffect you?
Shut your mouth. That's what they all keep
saying. Well I my my TikTok blew up in
COVID so I've been doing it since then.
Like now when I receive hate, this is nothing compared to what

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I was having in lockdown. That's when it was at its
absolute peak because everyone was just scrolling at home.
Nothing better to do. And I was like one of the Ogs in
Sydney doing TikTok. Like everyone that made fun of
me then is like now asking me for promo.
But anyway. How the tables turned?
The hate I was copying then thatgot to me at a stage because
like early on we're sitting in our rooms for hours, you know,

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we couldn't leave the house. All you're doing is watching Tik
Toks and I'm posting Tik Toks every single day and I don't
know why people feel very comfortable actually no, I do
know why because I present myself online, I'm relatable.
I'm I'm just like everyone else.So I think it made people feel
comfortable to say something to me, but it affected me for two

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weeks. That's it.
Literally, I got hate at the start of COVID, at the start of
COVID when I was new to it, likelike new to the popularity
online. And because I had nothing better
to do than do circles around my house and just make videos, the
amount of hate that I was getting, I, I started to like
believe in it. And then I just like woke up
like after two weeks, I'm like, bro, what am I doing?

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Like, why don't I let this get to me?
And I just got over it now, justnow, just like.
Is there any point in you at that time that you wanted to
stop? No Oh my God this is my dream Oh
my God. But I released merch when I hit
like 50,000 followers like I no no nothing will make me stop
because these these haters aren't the reason why I started.

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I started for my own other purpose.
I will not stop until like untilI don't know, until social media
ends. That's the end of the world,
that one. One social.
No, Fantastic. I love your approach to it and
it's very refreshing not to takeit to heart and actually to turn
it on it's head. So I love that.
Was there any time you felt thatthere was like you went through
a bit of a mental health kind ofsituation where you kind of felt

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down or depressed or? Oh, bro, all the time.
Yeah, all the time. But this job in itself is like,
it's the funnest job I've ever had.
Like I love it, but it does takea massive mental toll on me.
Like, first of all, you are verylonely because you're in your
room all the time. The only person I talk to is the
main Auntie Salma. That's it.
Like like at some point it's going to become a bit like
psychotic and it I think being in the spotlight, it's sometimes

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it's too much. It's too much.
I'm not like saying it gets depressing like, but when you're
always by yourself doing things,it leads to like isolation in in
that sense, which is something like like I, I guess I always
feel like I'm always just in my room filming with green screens,

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yeah. OK.
All right. Well, where does it's?
Still super fun. Yeah, of course.
Just to be overbearing. Sometimes, yeah, just in case,
like someone makes a headline. The influencer thinks being in
her room is lonely. Like with a green screen, with a
green, with a green screen. No, I can understand where
you're coming from with that. So want to find out now where

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does God kind of fit into life and where what does God mean to
you? Well, God means everything to me
because without him and without falling back onto Him, I, I
don't think I could handle what I'm going through, especially
online, especially with all these eyes on you and so much
pressure and, and like pressure for myself.

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Like when you have your own business, you want so much, you
see so much for yourself. And like I'm like I feel like
I'm fulfilling my purpose and it's sometimes most of the time
too much for me to do by myself.Like I need to talk to someone.
I'm in the car when I'm driving,pretty sure people are looking
at me like I don't, I'm not speaking to anyone.
I'm talking to myself and I'm always talking to like speaking
to God, like a friend in the car.

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I'm like God, like I don't know what I'm doing.
Like, is this the right thing? Like help me this and that.
What was the question? So what does God mean to you?
Oh, faith, yeah. Faith is very important, very,
very important, and I don't shy away from that Online.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows, or most people know that I'm a
Christian. I could, I mean, I could have
the cross behind me and people still ask me.

(08:38):
Yeah. So what national, What
Christian, What religion are youor.
Or be like, there's bacon on that.
Did you ever get that when you go out, there's bacon on?
This. I actually don't like bacon so I
always say like my dietary restriction I don't like bacon
and then they think I'm not Christian and then just leads to
I caused the confusion. More and more questions.
Exactly. OK, all right.
We're we're gonna get into that success part of it later on.

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Yeah. Let's start.
We like to start at the beginning.
George went little bit forward, but we're gonna get the
beginning. No even way before that.
What was Veronica be like as a kid?
Yeah. And we either I don't I'm not
gonna call you a class clown, but what was the personality
like? When did it become unlocked?
When did you become bubbly? What were you like as a child?
Give us some some stories. I've always been an extroverted

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kid. I've always.
My dream when I was younger was to be a a children's doctor.
Is that that's pediatrician, right?
Yeah. I was getting confused in that,
between that and the the foot doctor, pediatrist,
pediatrician, because I was in and out of hospital a lot with
my Crohn's. I suffer from Crohn's disease,
so I was in and out of hospital.I want to be a pediatrician.
And then I also wanted to do acting, which I was not allowed

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because it's not a real job. So I was never allowed to take
on like acting at school and allthat.
Yeah. As soon as like when it was an
option for HSE, my parents like,you know, BC idiots.
I was like, OK, wake up. But I've always been like, I was
always into sports. I was.
I loved filming. I've been filming from such a

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younger age like I was. I always like to be in front of
the camera act. I just like acting.
Yeah, that my childhood. My childhood was having fun
family and just Crohn's disease.That was my childhood.
Crohn's disease, huh. It took up a lot of my.
Life Do you have any siblings? Yes, I do OK.

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Beautiful So. He's like next.
You got the point. So we got to that part now when
I actually wanted to ask, yeah, before you, before you took on
this life of social media, what were you studying before?
What were you doing for a job? I was I did 2 1/2 years at uni
doing Health Science, majoring exercise Physiology.

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I want to be an exercise, yeah, an exercise physio.
But I woke up one day and Croatia and decided I no longer
want to do this. So I enrolled in a marketing
degree. Major regrets, but everything
happens for a reason. So I, I graduated in media
marketing and after uni I was basically just doing during uni

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a lot of free internships like trying to get my foot in the
door to do this, like brand work, working in events.
So basically I've for many yearsI was trying to get my foot in
the door to do what I'm doing right now.
OK. And did you grow up in a
religious home? Yeah.
So did that include like Church Weekly or?
Church every Sunday? Yeah.

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OK. And if we missed a Sunday then
like, you know, my mum would make us feel like we were the
devil. You are going down the wrong
path. I visited.
Every home. It's not just. 1.
So is there anything that you could take away from your, one
thing from your mum, one thing from your dad that you can take
away, as in like a something that you learnt from them?

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Something that I learnt from them, OK, my dad is a very
patient person, very patient person.
And O obviously both my parents put God first and in our life,
as long as whatever we do in life, they always try to push us
to remember. Like remember your faith and
remember God in everything you do.

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Like they always tell me to leanback on him.
From my dad, I learn patience and from my mum, she is like,
she's like my motivation. She like pushes me and listens
to all my stress and all that. She's like, she kind of, she's
like the extra brains that I've got, even though my dad's

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smarter, but my mum's like the extra creative brains.
OK, that's awesome. So then, at what moment did you
find that your faith became realand personal, not just something
you inherited? Well, my whole life, going to
church every week was normal. Like being religious was normal.
Like you're not allowed to swear, you're not allowed to do
these, You're not allowed to do that.
Like that was just all normal. Like going to Sunday school, it

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was normal. So for me, I, I was lucky.
So I'm Catholic, so I was lucky to grow.
I was lucky to be born into the Christian faith.
So it was a lot easier for me. I, I didn't, I, I don't think I
had like an awakening at some time because that's, that was
just my normal life. Yeah, just grew up with it.
We were always a practising, practising Christianity in our

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house. But probably when my parents,
like, I guess not when you become an adult because they
still treat me like a kid. But like, I mean, when they
stopped forcing you to go to church every week.
It's kind of like, you know, nowit's up to you.
No, no, no, no, no, no, not now it's up to you.
Like they said, they still make me go every week.

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But now it's like we're not forcing you to come.
Like you should be going by yourself.
Like you get your own car. You get in your car and you go
to church. Not we're dragging in the car
with us as a family to go, OK. All right, there's a there's a
phone cover there for those thatdon't know, this is we got
Veronica B today, but we we werealso going to get Auntie Selma

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on. Can you describe to us a bit
about how anti anti Selma came to life?
And did you expect, did you expect it would blow up the way
it did Auntie Selma? She is a figure that represents
majority of Middle Eastern parents.
In one how she came to life, I did a couple videos kind of as

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her. I never thought it was anything.
I didn't think anything of it. And then someone in my comment
section was like I named this character Selma and I was like
character like I didn't think ofthis as a character.
As soon as that person said I named this character, my brain
like unlocked that will. I was like, there's like, poof,
this whole thing. I was like, I'm going to take
this to a a whole nother level. Yeah.

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And then naturally she blew up. She's more popular than me.
I kind of, I get jealous. Like I'd straight out like,
that's what I'm saying. Like I I'm going to reach a
psychotic stage because the factthat I am jealous of her is
there's something wrong. So do people come up?
Do you say can you do Auntie Selma?
People come up to me saying we want her.
I'm like, bro, are you serious? Oh, cannot imagine having that

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life, but it's success. What?
Can you do? I've been turned down by an
interviewer because they wouldn't interview me.
They only wanted to interview her.
Oh my, no. And I was like, why not just
interview me and we can talk? About her?
Like, I don't know. Oh.
My goodness. You see why I'm jealous?
It's. Taking a life of its own.
Yeah, wow. So did you get to a point where

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you, you know, with your humour,'cause you're, I, I, I love your
videos, very humorous. I've sent it to my mum many
times saying this is you, this is what you do.
But do you think? I've normalised their toxic
behaviour and they love it and I'm like oh they're.
Like this is normal, it's on, it's.
On the TV. So is there a point where you
kind of learn how far to draw that line between like how how

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deep to go with jokes or do you just like, how do you make that
balance? Of course there's like
boundaries online, especially because it's my job too.
I, I do, I'm very opinionated online.
If I feel like I'm overstepping a mark by sharing my opinion, I
just do it through Auntie Selma.Because people even tell me like
all my controversial videos, they're like, oh, it wasn't

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right for you to do that. But like, if you did it as
Auntie Selma, like, it's fine. And I was like, I mean like I
knew. That, but I didn't.
Think other people got onto it, but of course, like 100% there
are boundaries and things that Iwon't talk about just because I
don't know. With comedy, it's very different
nowadays, people are very sensitive.
You can't say a lot of things. It becomes so political, like

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it's just. One minute you can just get
cancelled or people can turn on you in in instance.
I'm not worried about the cancelled thing.
I get cancelled every week for something new like things I
don't even know about this right, But I'm not worried about
getting cancelled. That's not my issue.
It's it's more than that 'cause you can recover from being
cancelled. I've done that multiple times.
It's just the whole I think the politics behind what you say 1

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wrong word and it can just causechaos and like being
misinterpreted online is so easy.
Happens all the time. Absolutely.
So do you find that as your platform grows, you are more
free because you're like a bigger personality or do you
feel like the more you grow, themore you have to be careful and
and be on egg shells and censor yourself?

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Definitely the second one, yeah.There's the more you grow,
there's less freedom because a lot more people watch.
You have to be. I've always been careful with
what I post online. My dad has told me this since I
was young because I've always been posting on like, you know,
Facebook and Snapchat days, all that.
He's always like, be careful what you post because that can
come back to get you. And whatever you post online, it

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is not going to go away. Like even if you delete it, it
is there. So I'm very cautious with what I
post. I'm very not, not strategic, but
I'm aware of what I'm posting. Like I won't post something and
not realise I did that or didn'tdo that, whatever.
But yeah, there's definitely less freedom.
I'm still very opinionated but Ijust have to articulate it

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better, which is very hard because I also do get ready with
me lives every single night and I can't edit that.
That's live. So if I stuff up, I'm screwed.
On that topic of your like the the fame compared to your faith,
when you you've obviously talkedabout God on your platforms,
you've seen the videos, do you sort of get nervous or think

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twice when you mention God in a video at all?
Never, never. I even put like on Instagram.
I put like Veronica B and then Iadded across because I was like,
you know what? God gave me this platform and he
can take it away at any moment. That's why I get, yeah, I get
excited with like followers and views and stuff.
But I promise you, as soon as something goes viral, I care so

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much and then immediately I'm just like, God can take it away
right now, but I, I, I might noteven have it tomorrow.
Like I need to have a backup. I need to, I always think like
that because anything you have can be taken away the next day.
And I, I never, not, I never shyaway from sharing my religion
because that's who I am. People follow me for me.
And I have had so many people message me saying like, thank

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you for sharing that you're a Christian because a lot of
people don't you lose jobs, which has happened to me in the
past. Like people don't want to work
with you. People target you.
It's not it's not easy proclaiming your faith online
like it. I don't know.

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It's not easy, but I do it. I do still share it and I and I
do it in ways, for instance, I'mnot seeing.
They're like making videos like I am a Christian.
Everyone should like follow the same faith as me.
I do it through ways like AuntieSalma.
I'll do like wedding videos and the green screen is her like at
a church, like talking about theaunties at church.
So I'm not like shoving it down people's throats.

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Yeah, but I'm just like sharing it through ways that also aligns
on my platform like and suits mybranding too.
On that point, do you feel responsibility as a Christian?
Like, oh, OK, when, when I can, I should I should feel compelled
to talk about God or bring bringGod into a video Or is it like
sort of right timing? I, I don't feel forced.
I just do it 'cause I, I wanna do it.

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And if it, if it works with my content, I'm like, why not share
it? Like it's a part of who I am.
And the fact that I feel like I'm inspiring people to also
share their religion online. Like I've had people from other
religions message me and say, like, how do you feel like, like
cheering. Yeah, opening up about like
being a Christian. They're not Christian.
There's one specific person I'm thinking of.

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They're like, because I'm scaredto lose jobs.
I'm scared to lose followers. But then that that job wasn't
for you. Those followers weren't for you.
Like you're not, you're not talking bad about any other
ones, any other person's religion.
But like we're put onto this earth to like also share God and
talk about him. At the end of the day,
everything that he's given me all this, like as soon as I got

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the platform, I, I, I always remind, remind myself, I'm like,
at the end of the day, like whatis my, my purpose is to do good
with the platform, you know, to inspire people to, to share our
values with the whole world and stuff.
But as I said before, he can take it away at any moment.
So I don't want to mess around with God and what he's given me.
I don't want to take that for granted.

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You have you hold a lot of responsibility having a big
platform like a lot of people put you on this pedestal and
they expect you to. How do I word this?
People expect you to say and do the right thing all the time.

(21:45):
What is the right thing? It's it's different.
It's. Moving.
It's moving differently. Yeah, yeah.
But you feel this pressure that you have so much responsibility
to do what the people want. And sometimes I feel like people
lose who they are because they're trying too much to
please the people and please thefollowers.
But also you have to remain trueto like who like you are as a

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person. That's again where God comes in,
someone like to humble you and to keep you connected.
So it's not touching grass people, it's God.
They're telling me touch grass, stay humble.
Go go to church and stay humble.That's an exclusive Oh.
My goodness, you can say a lot of creators and influencers,

(22:31):
once they hit like in the millions and they start earning
money selling, selling you out, like taking all these brand
deals, whatever, you can see them go down a different path.
And I think I love the fact thatI don't see myself like going
down. I'm not swayed by the fame or
the money or this or that. Like right If I'm with my

(22:52):
parents I get told off everyday like I'm not living the life
people think I am. You're just having fun with it.
You're having fun with it. You're doing what you love and
that's what's important to you. You're not really chasing the
the dollars or the fame. And if I was chasing the
dollars, I'd be in America, where I can earn money from the
app. Yeah, yeah.
Fair enough. OK.
But would you say your career isstill also focused on views and
exposure? Of course, yeah.

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OK so on that note, have you ever been sort of tempted to
drop your morals and and what you know to be right and wrong
from what your parents have taught you to then get that
extra mile ahead? Cause a lot of people are
willing to do that. Never I tell you why, because
you do 1 brand deal 11 video that just doesn't align with you

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or and, and people can feel it. People can see it and you know
yourself, you can lose trust with your followers like that
and that is everything. Once you lose trust with your
followers, like you have to rebuild that and that is one of
the hardest things that's taken me years to build.
And honestly, I I, there's, there have been so many brand

(23:55):
deals that have offered me so much money.
If I was, if I was chasing the money only I would have sold out
ages ago, ages ago. But like, no, at the end of the
day, I don't want my face to certain things just for what, a
couple $1000? Like it's not worth it.
And if we're talking like 50K, like I'll think about it, But if
it's like what 5K, like relax, right?

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So do you have friends or other influencers that kind of have
been pushing you a little bit down that path or selling you
like, you know, that's a good opportunity, you should take it
And have you had to kind of confront them be like.
That's not, I don't really talk to other creators or influencers
about like if I should take a certain brand or not.
Like that's that's all me. I know that I I'm the one that

(24:41):
makes that decision. I don't, I don't really take
anyone's advice for it because like, you know best.
Yeah, I don't want to take someone's advice.
And then I'd be like, I should have done that.
I shouldn't have listened to you.
So you. Don't go to anyone for when it
comes to brand deals or thinkingabout what's right and wrong.
Like I'm sure you need some sortof clarity sometimes.
Look, I go to people and I'm like, hey, how much do I like
charge? Like what do you think I should
charge for this? Like whatever, but it's always

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people that way, way, way biggerthan me.
Like they're not like they've been OG like back in the days
type of influences, not like influences now that like have
risen in the past like five years or something.
So let's talk about only fans. Yeah, Because that's.
AI don't have one. Why do you word it like?

(25:25):
That that's a quick bait touch. Your account touch.
Thegrass1.com. Well, look, the the point, the
point is it's a, it's a huge thing now.
It's, I mean, I've, I've seen onInstagram me and me and Simon
are very into NBA me. And Simon are very where.
Are you going with me and Simon?Are very into NBA and we always
there's always a a graphic that comes up where it's like the

(25:46):
biggest only fans person and thebiggest paid NBA player and what
they earned in a year and it's like the yeah.
It's the exact same, only friends making.
More which is which is unbelievable.
So firstly, do you feel like there is a tension to to for for
young people to go down that path?
Yes and no because because of TikTok and Instagram all like

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these videos coming out that have glamorised that industry.
I feel that the younger generation now feel it's OK,
it's fun. Like, you know, I don't think
they really know what is involved in it.
Even the people that like the sex workers, I follow some of
them on TikTok because they're so interested, like they vlog

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about their life. They don't talk about what they
do for a living. They just vlog their life and
it's interesting, but that's their job that they do.
That's how they earn money. And even like there are specific
ones that I follow just because they're entertaining.
Not not in that sense that we don't talk.
We don't, They never talk about that, but they mention to their

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followers saying like, I don't encourage you to do what I do.
Like I'm sharing what I do for aliving and all this stuff with
you because that's my personal experience.
But I'm not telling you to do it.
And it's not what you think it is.
And I've heard so many people say that like it's not what you
think it is. And I think because these big
creators on like only fans are noticing that a lot of the
younger girls are seeing them and idolising them and thinking

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like, Oh, I want to do that whenI'm older.
Like, you know, it just looks fun.
You get lots of money because you you do their rolling in
money. They're rolling in money, but
they're selling themself. And I guess like, it's the easy
way out. And if you sell yourself, you,
you make it. That's why everyone's pissed off
at, like, you know, people criminal that do criminal
activities, like they get lots of money.

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And here we're working hard, doing it the clean way, yeah.
OK, it's a good, it's a good contrast.
It's good. But have you ever been like,
have your fan base ever like suggested or pushed you to do
something like that? To do any fans.
Yeah, like as in in the comments, I'm saying like in the
comments, like no, no, I mean like in the comments.
Videos, no. Maybe they want Salomon to do

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it, not me. That's the real money maker
there. That's some.
No. So you don't have that fan base?
No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, no.
OK, that's. OK.
Moving on from that, what a question.
I'm he's asking me, have your fans ever told you to do only
fans? He asked the hard question.
No, no. But do you know why?
Because there are other people like I've seen other people

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that, you know, are in a similarlight as you and they and, and
they actually, you know, how people ask questions when on
Instagram and they say, you know, it was actually somebody
I, I knew that's actually a professional boxer.
And she's very conservative. Actually she's she's Muslim,
very conservative. And then she's like in her when
someone asked her a question about would you ever do only
fans? She's like, no, I keep getting
this question all the time. I'm not doing it, you know?

(28:38):
So like there's a lot of people that just get asked by their
fans, like that's what they wantfrom them, you know?
George hasn't been asked yet, but so on that note, because you
obviously know how that all works, what would you say to to
young women out there watching you that see your life like your
life, how you're on social media, But then they also see

(28:59):
the flip side to these only fansgirls or whatever the case may
be. What would you say to women who
are conflicted with both things and maybe choosing between
wanting to study, wanting to vlog, social media, travel, What
would you say to girls who are conflicted with that?
OK. First of all, if you're
conflicted between going to study and do only fans, wake up

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to yourself. You're not doing only fans.
Don't even. That shouldn't even be an option
in your head. No, just find your passion.
What are you passionate in and like Go for it, try it like
search other people that have done it like follow your dreams
and your passion. Your dreams are not only fans.
Yes it makes quick money but it's just quick money at the

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cost of what you are selling your body online to people you
don't even know. Like that, whatever you post on
the Internet is going to come back and ruin your life if you
do that. It's there forever.
Yeah, alright. I want to shift gears a little
bit. I love the way that we saw how
you handled the hate and you handled that in a great way.
How about the the praise or the attention?
Does that ever get to you and how do you handle that and not

(30:03):
let it kind of change who you are?
Like it definitely boosts my ego.
Like I love it when people like,compliment me.
Like what? Like how does it keep me?
How does it how do I not? Are you asking me like?
Like. Asking me.
Like, do you do you ever feel like?
Does it ever get to you? Get to you?

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Does it get to get? To you and be like something
like. Oh, like I'm famous.
Yeah. Oh, look at me.
Yeah. Like.
Mum, Dad, it's me. It's like, how do you handle all
the compliments and all the goodstuff like, you know, getting
more followers? I don't see like I know I have a
name. I know I have an influence.
I know I know where I stand and I have a platform and I know
what I can do with it and how people view me.
But I don't I put myself on thispedestal.

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I hate like receiving VIP treatment when I go to like just
going to say clubs when I go outanywhere like it just I, I, I
don't like people to think that I think that I'm better than
them because that's not who I am.
Like I don't, I don't like that.I, I don't know, man.
I just, I just, I just am humble.

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Like I don't know what you want me to do.
I don't know. What, you just wake up not
thinking about any of them? Like, sometimes I forget that
I'm very popular online. Like, people will be looking at
me on the streets and like, they'll wave and I don't even
know they're waving at me. Yeah, I always say I'm like me.
And they're like, yeah, I'm like, oh, like, hi, like, can
you recognise me? Yeah.
Because I there's so many peoplein the world.
Yes, I have half a million followers, but that's not

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everyone in the world. Like there are people out there
with millions and millions of followers like.
That's good. So you're you're very grounded.
It's not really something that you.
I don't walk around my head highand I'm like, I know who I am.
Like also I'm very short. Like I can't, I can't act like
I'm like, you know? But were you always like that or
was like 2021 Veronica like, oh,I got 50,000?
OK so yes, I released merch whenI hear 50,000 and then I had a

(31:51):
big like 100K party and every milestone I celebrate every
single milestone. It's beautiful, as we should.
We did the same. We've done a 10,000.
I saw, yeah. You just held up a piece of
paper as well. Ed We we had a priest told it
was it was something it was. OK, sorry, sorry.
Now I feel bad. Every milestone should be

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celebrated and I'd love to be extra with it.
But I'm still, I think I'm stillvery humble and I don't let it
get to my head even when I reachlike a million followers and
stuff because I didn't, this didn't come out of nowhere for
me. Like I've been trying to get to
where I am for many years. So the fact that I'm here and
I'm living my dream, like I'm holding onto it and I'm doing so
much with it. Like it's not like, oh, it came

(32:32):
out of nowhere. I got well.
When they'll call you lucky, butthey don't see the work you put
behind. Right.
This was not luck. Oh, my God.
This was not luck. This was a lot of hard work.
Yeah, a lot of hard work. I know you guys like that one.
Well, we've, we've kind of experienced a little bit of your
world, you know, doing this platform because, you know,
starting this podcast, never really thought about the numbers

(32:56):
and like getting views and things like that.
But then, you know, our message,our hope is to, to spread the
word to as many people as possible.
So that's, you know, now we posta video and we're thinking, all
right, did, was that a good video?
How can we word it better? How can we you know, so I feel
like we live in a little bit of that stress, maybe very
different to you, but how do youkind of handle that when you
post something? Do you are you there watching
the views saying that it's goingwell?

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I'm. Pretty sure I'm like the first
1000 views. I just keep it on refresh.
Like posting videos stresses me out and is the funnest thing in
the world at the same time because obviously I'm posting a
video for it in the hopes that it's going to go viral.
Right? You can get into this rabbit

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hole of just you're, you're monitoring the views, you're
monitoring the comments and it gets to you, 'cause that's all.
For me, it's my job as well as my hobby.
It's like it's my job and my hobby.
We're not sure anymore. I don't know what's going on.
But anyway, that's a whole another story.
Like you can't help it. Like you get excited seeing the
views. You you get excited like I know
people that they got their firstviral video and they'll call me.

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They're like, Oh my God, is thiswhat it feels like?
I can't stop watching it. I can't stop watching it.
Like you watch you read every comment.
Like I try to respond to as manypeople as I can.
And obviously I get excited whenI get lots of views.
But then because I get so excited and it's become normal
to get so many views, when I don't get so many views, I kind
of get really. Depressed.
And upset and I'm like, Oh my God, like maybe it is time I get

(34:23):
an actual job. Mum was right.
Like you know, it doesn't last forever.
And like you, it's mind games. It's honestly mind games.
I get messages from people. You don't know how many times
they're like, you know, I don't know what's going on.
My views are not like adding up.Like I was doing so well last
week. I'm like, trust me, it goes in
waves. Like you will get so many views
and be going viral for so long and then all of a sudden it's

(34:43):
like a dip and you're like, uh oh.
Like do we do we cancel the podcast now?
Like what do we do? No, we've, we've definitely
just, it's just. Consistency.
You just have to keep going and like the views are going to come
and go, like, I don't know. I think when we look at it from
the outside and just I like to when George and I are speaking,
I like to think of our goal fromthe beginning, which we, when we

(35:05):
spoke, we'll just like, he's like, what do you want from the
podcast? I said if we can just get one
person 1% close in their relationship to God, that's all
that matters. And obviously, as the episodes
go on and some people begin to watch more and more, it's, it's
nice. It's very good, don't get me
wrong, But obviously there's no sponsors here or nothing.
But we, we love to see the feedback in terms of how people

(35:25):
see the content and it makes them feel that's the important
and stuff, whether good or bad. Because now we're starting to
really smell both sides of it, which is OK, but it's, it's
something that's going to keep going.
Like you said, it's going to go up and down, up and down.
George is more so the analytic guy, so he's on every number,
but he, because he puts in a lotof effort.
He just wants, he wants, like hesaid, to see one video touch

(35:48):
people and he wants it. He wants it to really grow.
Yeah, exactly. But.
You guys are making a big difference.
Even the fact that you're starting this with that purpose
of bringing people closer to God, like one step at a time,
one person at a time. Like it's so important now.
Like especially now with so manyvideos going out and like people
are their minds are getting swayed from different things.

(36:08):
Like you need people to connect back with the church.
Like how scary is it that our generation and like when we have
kids, I don't know if you guys have kids, but like, do you have
kids? 2 for him.
Oh, OK. Well, yeah, like you're going to
hope that their generation, their friends are going to
church weekly are like pushing, pushing them to also like stay
in touch with God. And that's a scary thing now

(36:29):
that you're seeing the church become like less and less
packed. And that's on us.
That's on us to bring people together and people shying away
from posting online and talking about their faith because like I
guess the culture of hate comments and toxicity online,
like it's becoming more. And more it is now.
Yeah. Well, part part of the reason

(36:51):
why we did this, well, when I was speaking to Simon, I said
like the the Facebook or Instagram feed is just rubbish.
It's absolute rubbish. And I want to try and flood that
with some positivity and some good things and hopeful
messages. And, you know, so that was
really one of our motivations behind it, was just getting some
good content out there. And by posting like religious
content, I don't know about you guys, but like, you know, when

(37:12):
you're scrolling on reels or whatever and then you see like
something religious and then youscroll past and you're like, oh,
no, no, no, I feel really guilty.
Let me go back those posts go somany views because.
People either. Either they feel really guilty,
or they actually do want to like, you know, watch it.
Plus it's refreshing like all day.
Whatever anyone's feed is, it's the same nonsense.
Sometimes I don't know how how often people open up their Bible

(37:36):
or check anything, but sometimeswhen, when you're on this app
all the time, like I myself average probably like a bit of a
disclaimer. I average like 14 hours a day
just on my phone, like whether it's work or whatever the case
may be. But some of it is just going on
social media. So just seeing that, that those
posts here and there about God and coming back to him and
loving him, it gives you a bit of purpose as well.

(37:57):
To be honest. Our lives unfortunately are very
tied, some more than others withsocial media and some have it as
a job, some have a as just a hobby or whatever the case may
be but it's definitely tied intothat.
But with that being said, sorry,if you're going to ask a
question with kids all looking at younger, the younger
generation all looking at socialmedia and what not, what advice

(38:18):
would you give them to not get so tied into worrying about
likes, views, if this person seen it or anything like that?
What advice would you give them to just sort of have a healthy
balance? If they're planning to do social
media and post, I think just remember your purpose and why
you started because that's goingto keep you going throughout
because there are like your views and followers, They're

(38:39):
going to go up and down all the time.
You have to remember why you started and make sure it's for a
good reason, like not just for money, not just for fame,
because that's going to destroy you.
That's going to send you down a completely different path.
Yeah. Like for me, my, my purpose is
to make people, to make people smile, smile, to make people

(39:01):
feel happy and to make to distract people from what
they're going through in their own personal lives, which is,
which is what like I love about Auntie Selma.
Like she's connecting people allover the world.
I have people messaging me saying like, Oh my gosh, like I
live in the US and you're keeping me in touch.
You're keeping the group chat alive with the family who's like

(39:22):
in Canada. So like, thank you.
And I'm like, wow, like like, like this is exactly why I'm
doing it. Like I love the whole reason why
I started socials and I wanted to like have a platform for
myself. I love connecting people.
I love the idea of starting a conversation and like, I feel
like I'm doing that. I feel like I'm connecting
people and igniting conversations online.

(39:43):
Definitely 100%. I've I've sent Aunty Selma
videos on my family chat all thetime.
So yeah. It's so nice, I love hearing
that. No, that's awesome.
So do you ever think that it washarder to succeed because of
your you held onto your models or do you think it's kind of
protected you in the long run? It's definitely protected me
100%. It is easy for me because I'm

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not really tempted by money or like, you know, brand deals will
come and go. Like I have missed out on a lot
of things because I have put my models first.
I've missed out on a lot of events because things that would
happen at the events don't alignwith my religious values.
I've missed out on a lot of money because of it as well.

(40:29):
Like at times it does get a bit.I, I, I wouldn't say like I'm
tempted, but just gets a bit. I don't know if upsetting is the
right word. You're kind of like, oh, if I
didn't really care that much about my morals, I could be.
In a different. Place I could be making it a lot
quicker than how I am now like now you're on this steady path

(40:50):
but the people who sell themselves out they're going up
quick I don't know I don't know where they're going but like
like in terms of you have to compromise something yeah and I
would say like I'm pretty conservative online and and it's
a it's sometimes hard to even collaborate with people that I
want to collaborate with becauseI'm like as much as I love you I

(41:13):
love your content I can't. Align yourself.
I can. Yeah, I'll watch you, but we
can't do anything together. Be a fan from afar?
I guess so. Well, you have a lot of wisdom
with that. I think you've been blessed.
God's given you a lot of wisdom in terms of how to handle it
because you handle it with such a, in such a mature way and also
without, you know, feeling that you're, you're, you're, you're

(41:34):
getting left behind by not doingthat.
You're actually, you know, holding onto your faith more and
strengthening yourself more. So I think that's fantastic.
So is there any moments that youhad where your faith in your
faith, where you ever felt distant from God or far away,
and what's kind of brought you back?
Probably when I get so swept up in the whole idea of like work

(42:00):
and like for me, my work, my hobby, everything, and there's
just, I'm so overwhelmed. I want to do so much and I just
I work all the time. Like now, you know, I work all
the time influenza. Oh my God.
But like I do, I do, I do so much than just posting online.
Like I host events. I do this and there's so many
things lined up that I want to do for myself that I'm planning

(42:21):
that I haven't even spoken aboutyet.
But I just get so caught up in doing all that.
And I'm a one man show. I do everything myself.
And sometimes you don't really prioritise God because it's easy
not to. It's God is not chasing me for
an invoice. God is not like on my back about
anything. He's like I'm here you come when

(42:43):
you're ready, which should be everyday should be showing up
for God everyday. But it's so easy because it's
not going to tell me off. He's not going to be like
Veronica you, you didn't pray tome yesterday, but like then I
think you feel it yourself like that.
It's almost part of you is guilty because you know you're
doing it. You know you're you're it's like
saying like I want to go to the gym and then you go like you

(43:04):
become lazy and you just don't go.
The gym's not going to call you and be like, hey, you didn't
work out today it. I'll call you for missed
invoices. But like, it's something, it's
something that I'm trying to work on every day to include it
as part of my routine, like wakeup and like, yes, I like pray in
the morning, but that's not enough for someone that like,

(43:26):
you know, goes to church every week, like praying every day,
it's still not enough. You can be doing a lot more with
your time. Like if you spend what, 10 hours
a day working, you can spend an hour with God, But for some
reason, it's just not, it's not easy.
It's not easy. And I think it's because you're
holding yourself accountable forit.

(43:47):
Like it's your own motivation, your own drive to do it.
Like no one's pestering you on your back.
Yeah, 100%. I feel the exact same way.
You kind of hit the nail on the head.
I feel really busy and over whatnow?
Simon teases me all the time because he's he's got a physical
job where he has to work with his hands.
And I'm always like emails, calls, and it's just
overwhelming when you have a lotof stuff, when you have your own

(44:08):
businesses in that way that you,you kind of lose focus a little
bit. But we had our last guest voice
of reason, Alex Gerardo, he cameon and he, he mentioned that
what he does in his busy schedule is he says the Jesus
prayer. And he said even to this
morning, I think it was he said,I already said it like 100
times, Like it was just my Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have
mercy me a Sinner. And ever since we had that, like

(44:29):
I've heard the Jesus prayer all the time, like everyone, all
it's always advice people say. But when he said it that way,
and then when he said that he's done it this morning, you know,
to keep himself grounded, I've tried to apply a little bit and
it makes such a difference just to keep, keep you a little bit
connected to God. Just one phrase is, is all it
takes to just have that little bit more connection with God.
So I think that's a good, good thing to take away.

(44:51):
I think if I'm, if I can say something to you, I probably
have no like not we're not simulating much of A sense with
how busy you are. But what I always do is
hopefully. As busy just doing different
things man. Don't start, Don't get me
cancelled now. I think, I think what's
important for me at least, is I just try and include God

(45:11):
everywhere I am or with everything I do.
It's something so small where it's not necessarily going to
church or saying I'm a Christian, but just doing
something good for someone else can remind you of what God
ultimately did for us. Like I think it's the small
stuff that we can do in our everyday lives that allow not
only us to see God, but God to see people in us, which is the

(45:32):
important thing. Because then every time it's
just what you do. One thing, one good thing for
one person. Hopefully it carries on and
carries on and carries on. So it's not necessarily let's
make time for God all the time, but let's just do everything
that we do include God in. So yeah, remember him.
Do something good for another person.
And hopefully that just carries on.
Say something nice to someone. It's free to smile.

(45:53):
It's free to say something nice.So I think.
Once we get in your way with that all the time, like in the
house, like she, she asked me todo something and she's like it's
for God. It's like.
It's an act of service, so I know she calls it salvation.
Oh wow. You know, like go get me the
remote salvation. It's for salvation.
Like you're doing something goodfor your mum.

(46:14):
Wow. I'll wait to use that on my
kids. Oh God, that's great.
So another question I have for you.
Do you feel like God's using or calling you to something deeper?
Than the platform, yeah. Probably, it's probably not what
I think he's calling for me now like I, I am.
I feel like I am fulfilling my purpose as of now, but I think

(46:37):
as time progresses, obviously there's more awakenings, more
things that you'll notice. That is probably he's leading me
somewhere to do something for now.
I feel like I'm on the right path though.
Yeah, you. You mentioned, sorry, Crohn's,
Crohn's disease and you're involved.
Well, I mentioned that like one hour ago.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you mentioned that

(46:58):
before, is that that's somethingobviously you're passionate
about? So is that if I'm?
Passionate about my. Not not about your disease, but
I I mean all your events. That you've had in my life.
Yeah. Is that something that you know,
you, you're finding that connecting people and, and also
feel like you're like, I don't know what your work is with
association, but you're trying to bring more awareness and more

(47:20):
help to people that are suffering from it like.
Yeah, so I, I host the Crohn's and Colitis like get together
event every year during May, which is the month of awareness,
purely because I wanted to connect people like other
sufferers with each other just to I guess support.
System. Yeah, it's a support system, and

(47:41):
it's something that I didn't have when I turned 18.
Like before I turned 18, there was so much support.
And then as soon as I turned 18,they're like, all right, fend
for yourselves. And when I spoke about it
online, that I had IBD, I, it's normal for me.
This was my life. I grew up with it.
I didn't see it as like, oh, like, you know, I have something
that other people don't. It was just a part of me.

(48:02):
I didn't expect the response that I got out of it.
So many people messaged me privately because obviously it's
a bit of like an embarrassing condition to just proclaim that
you have. So many people are like, oh, I
didn't know you have it. Like I can't believe like a a
creator has it. Like it's almost cool that like
they feel better talking. Survives.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but also it's like you're

(48:23):
doing, you're having fun in life, you're happy like and you
have the same condition as me. So I can do it too.
Yeah. So it's not.
I think I made fit people feel less depressed about having it
because I always, I use comedy as a way to like mask emotions,
you know, So if I'm ever like upset, sad, whatever, like I

(48:43):
will mask it with comedy people.My most viral video was right
after I cried. I posted that it went absolutely
viral and I was like damn, like I'm so good.
But with the whole crones thing,like I feel like that, as I
said, it's a passion project of mine and being able to connect
people, make people feel less alone is something that I, I

(49:05):
love doing it. I love the feeling of saying
making other people feel happy about their lives.
I can definitely see that in your content anytime you have an
event or you talk about it, thatyou you kind of light up a
little bit and it's something that you're passionate about.
So that's that's really great because I think that is, I mean,
you know, it's not something that is, you know, has got in it
in, in the sense that it's not like a spiritual thing, but it's

(49:27):
something that you're doing to help people, which is, which is
great. But also a lot of the speakers
that I have on that speak, sorry, at, at the IBD events,
few of them have even mentioned like miracles that have happened
in their life. And yeah, and a lot of them
share how God has impacted the way they've handled this
condition. Even with me, like I was about
to have one of the most like traumatic surgeries, but like a

(49:51):
miracle happened and I no longerneeded it.
Like God has played such, like he's had such an impact on my
life. I mean, obviously as everyone,
every day of my life, but a big one was for my Crohn's disease.
And you don't, I don't know. I don't really share it because
I'm like, it's as a Christian, it's normal.
But I think to other people, yeah, they're like, Oh my God,

(50:12):
you go to church every week. Oh my God, you do this, you do
that. I'm like, bro, that's nothing.
Because when you've grown up in Christianity, when you're born
into it, that's like the that's like the minimum of what we
should be doing. We're very blessed.
We don't realise how blessed we are to have grown up in it, but
we're very, very blessed. I mean, I say it all the time
when I go to like gyms or thingslike that.
I think at one stage I went through an F45 stage and the

(50:34):
amount of stuff that they do together, like they'll be like,
oh, we're going to go to breakfast, we're going to go to
lunch, we're going to have a party for this, for that.
I'm just like, what are you guysdoing?
Like I have like my life, you know.
But I think it's because they'retrying to connect and they don't
have what we have in terms of the church and our church
community and things like that. So I think it's very foreign to
other people on the outside thatwe have that gift.

(50:55):
And I think, you know, maybe people can look at, look for if
they're looking to connect to people looking to have that
community. The church is such a great place
to start. Of course.
Yeah. A church community is so
important. Like, this is your friends, your
family. It's for some people, that's
their main group of friendships.Yeah.
Comes out of the church. Isn't that where people find,

(51:15):
like, husbands and wives as well?
Well. Speaking of which, I've been
trying to set up Simon for a while now, so I think we got to.
Stay on the episode, please. Rather please.
Every episode it's the same thing, OK?
We have, we have a Syrian community now that we haven't
touched base with haven't. Touched.
Are you interested in Sudanese? Syrian.
I'm interested in God. God is the one, yeah.

(51:37):
God's interested in you having afamily it'll.
Come when it comes. We'll talk after the episode.
On the on the point of that, what would be your advice to
find a godly partner? What would be my advice to find
a godly partner for Simon? For the congregation of people
or grass touches, whatever you want.

(51:57):
You just cannot compromise with your values, your values and
your morals. Keep it at one if you like.
You just have to remember God, like this person's going to be
your, well, in my case, the the father of my kids, my husband.
And if you can't see this persongrowing religiously with you and

(52:19):
growing spiritually, then where's that going to lead you
in life? Like what?
What's your purpose? So you got to see them first, as
can they bring me closer to God and then as a result, will the
character be able to be a good husband and raise my children.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I've always said, like I
want someone that is also religious that's going to teach

(52:40):
me. Like I don't want to be able to
teach you. Like I need someone to teach me
like my dad teaches me. Like I need someone to teach.
Like I can't educate you, You need to educate me.
It's a very good point cause a lot of I feel like a lot of
girls sometimes they, they go for some guys that maybe need a
lot of work and it really. Have time?
Yeah. Who has time?
No. Like he'll change or I can bring

(53:01):
him, you know, I think it's very, you know, from my point of
view, I think it's really important that the guy takes
lead in in a lot of the spiritual stuff.
Yes, but Oh yes and no, like both equally, like it doesn't
matter who's more spiritual or whatever, like you're you're in
this together, you grow together, you learn off each
other and you push each other aswell.
Like you know, you read the try to read the Bible together, try

(53:22):
pray together, try go church together.
Like it's so beautiful. Like that's how I grew up with
my family and that's how I want to continue it.
But I just this is a whole nother video that I can make.
But like about having God needs to be priority.
If you want your marriage to work in God's eyes, then it
needs to be the first thing whenyou're meeting someone.

(53:47):
Right. Number one, non negotiable.
I always say yeah, 100%. And I think that's where I was
kind of touching on that. A lot of people sometimes they
just think that's going to come later or, you know, they like
someone and they don't have thatdesire for God at all.
And they're like, oh, it's OK, it'll come.
I think that's it's dangerous toget into a relationship with
someone when that's such an important thing for you and the
other person doesn't have it. So I think that's maybe a non

(54:09):
negotiable definitely. If you think that religion is
important to you and you choose to be with someone that religion
is not important to them, then Idon't think you have religion as
a priority. That's it.
Like if you tell me that you're religious and they're also
religious in a different religion and say, right,

(54:30):
religion is not your priority. Like, OK, a relationship can
work you you can have chemistry with anyone.
They don't have to be from the same religion.
You can have chemistry with anyone, but that's when the
whole where do you place religion as a priority in your
relationship? If it's number one, then those
people that are not on the same in the same religion as you,

(54:51):
their temptations, they're not for you.
They as their distractions. Obviously that these like
someone who's a Christian can date a non Christian, they can
have the best marriage in the world.
But religion is not going to be a priority.
You have to compromise something.
And you're also going to think about the kids.
Like, let's say you guys both put your differences aside.

(55:12):
What about the kids? What are they going to do?
Do you know what I mean? Like, they're going to be lost.
I think it's the most important thing in a relationship,
obviously. But like, forget yourselves.
You guys are going to fall in love, grow old, be ugly,
whatever you want to do. You're going to have kids and
they're going to be representation of you.
And you want them just to be a million times better than you.
So it's like you got to make that decision as well. 100% So I

(55:35):
guess what I want to ask you, Veronica from the Bible, what is
your favorite verse or what is there a verse that you go to
when you like need comfort or something like that you really
find sacred in the Bible? I'm.
Just going to tell you now, no Ido not know my Bible in and out.
I wish I did, which is somethingI'm trying to work on but there

(55:59):
is not like a specific like verse that comes to my mind.
Which is sad to say, but. It's not sad.
It's, it's gives you time to then want to say, OK, let me you
know, I used to do, I used to just open up on a random page
and just read, read, read and then whichever.
Voice. I would like to think I read
like I read the Bible. Often I cannot tell you what I

(56:23):
read. If I read it this morning, I
can't tell you what I read in the morning.
That's why we've got our phones as well.
I have sometimes as Wallpapers and stuff.
It works. Yeah.
I think you got to just find what will give you the most
comfort. And then I'm, I'm that dumb.
I have it tatted on me, my favorite Bible verse.
But I mean it, everything's, everything's different.
So it you got to find what givesyou the most comfort, what

(56:44):
brings you joy when you think about this verse and with God.
And it'll come when it comes. True.
What's your favorite verse? My favorite verse, it's actually
John 3:30, which is he must increase and I must decrease.
And that was said by John the Baptist and that it's on my
Instagram bio as well. It's just something that I
really, I really love that versebecause it kind of puts

(57:05):
everything in perspective. And that's the whole point of
this podcast. We're trying me and Simon said
from the very beginning, we don't want to be the stars of
the show. We want Christ to be first and
foremost. We want him to increase and we
want to fade in the background. So I think I think it's good to
have a verse that you kind of itgrounds you and it kind of like,
you know, maybe that could be your homework.
Just find one verse and put it, you know, somewhere for you to

(57:28):
just to recall because yeah, I mean it, it really helps.
What about you, Simon? My favorite wild verse.
John 13 seven says, and Jesus replied, you do not know what
I'm doing now, but later you'll understand.
It just goes back to the point of we don't need to always know
God's plan for us, but we just need to we need to stay the
course, understand he's God and instead of always asking for our

(57:52):
will that to ask for his will because his will is ultimately
best. So it's that's sort of what I
like to live by. Not my time, but his.
So yeah, next time we have you on, we're gonna ask you a
favorite. Verse.
I will. I will make sure I have a verse.
I'm gonna recite it. She's gonna come welcome no, my
favorite verse and she's gonna start.
It might be a new phone cover. Well, look, we always wrap up

(58:17):
our interviews with one final question and the question we
want to ask you in your perspective, what does it mean
to be the salt of the earth? Because Christ asks us to be the
salt of the earth. And that's the point of our
podcast is interviewing people that we find to be the salt of
the earth. So what does it mean to be the
salt of the earth? And how do we keep our salt from
losing its flavour? Yeah, for me, when I think salt,

(58:40):
the first thing that comes to myhead is flavour.
So how are you? How are you the flavour on this
earth? Like what are you doing that's
like benefiting the people benefiting God?
Like how are you becoming like the light?
Like everyone has a purpose, everyone you influence someone
or something. Like how are you showing up?

(59:03):
How are you? How are you making your time on
earth the best it could be? How are you increasing like the
flavour around? You know what I mean?
Like do I know what I mean? I don't know what I mean.
We know what you mean. You're going with it.
Keep going. Everyone has a purpose and I
just feel that you, we're also on this earth.

(59:24):
We're put here for a purpose. Everyone has a talent, people
you're here to love. You're here to praise God and
preach about his work through everything that we do.
And I feel that that is adding flavour into this world.
Like don't, don't blend in. Like be spicy, you know, be

(59:44):
spicy. I like that.
Be spicy. Don't blend in Every, everyone's
important. Everyone's important.
And like, you're here to stand out on Earth, like somehow that.
Was beautiful. Well said.
Well if someone gave me that response I would have literally
cropped that out and delete it in the bin.
What? Which?
What? Even was that the fact that I
can't even like edit this and redo it like annoys me.

(01:00:06):
We could do it straight again ifyou want.
I'll give you the same answer. We'll just we'll say, what does
it mean to be solved Earth, and we'll go be spicy.
Be spicy. After everything I said, they're
like, that was a good response. You're gonna like edit in like
question marks on top of it. Like this girl doesn't even know
what she's saying. No, look, honestly, you have,
you have a real talent of makingthings and I think that's why

(01:00:28):
you've become very successful. You can, you're very relatable
and you relate things very well.So even when you're explaining
how to find a godly partner or relationships, you, you have
such a clear way of expressing yourself that makes it simple to
understand and people can, can really attach themselves to it.
So really blessed to have you onthe show with us and you know.
Blessed to be here unless you invited me.

(01:00:50):
Oh well, thank you very much. They're like, how much clout can
we get out of it? No, actually, you know, I did
tell a few people that, you know, we're gonna have Veronica
be like, oh, you know, you usually have priests.
You have this. I think that was your first
comments. Like, you know, I'm gonna follow
Bishop Mara Murray. But I think the whole point of
our podcast isn't to just talk to people that are, you know,

(01:01:12):
godly. We're talking to people that
have experienced Christ and sharing their experience and
that are more relatable. And I think you're very
relatable. And I think a lot of people are
going to listen and, and, and see how a normal person can
just, you know, include God in their life and put God first and
not compromise their morals. I think that's the most
important thing. I second that, absolutely.
That was beautiful, Simon. Thank you so much I.

(01:01:33):
Think my social, not my social battery.
I just did not know what to say.I panicked, so I just stayed
quiet. You both looked at me.
I didn't know what to do. I was like.
No words were coming out of my mouth.
All right, beautiful. Thank you so much for coming on
and we can't wait to have you onnext.
There's a Part 2. Absolutely.
Oh, thanks guys. Thanks, Veronica.

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