January 20, 2025 • 40 mins
Dan Hoard introduces us to the team’s new offensive line coach Scott Peters. Then, Bengals.com editor Geoff Hobson joins Dan to discuss the Bengals’ offseason priorities.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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The Bengals announced on Monday that they've hired Scott Peters
as their new offensive line coach. He had that job
in New England last season after being Cleveland's assis distant
line coach for the previous four years under Bill Callahad.
Scott has a unique background. In addition to playing and
coaching in the NFL, he's won martial arts World Championships,
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trained MMA fighters, and started a company called Tip of
the Spear with the mission of reducing concussions and head
and neck injuries in football. I sat down with Coach
Peters on Monday. It's got a few days before Christmas.
The greatest offensive line coach in Bengals history. Jim McNally,
a line coach on the first two Super Bowl teams,
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tweeted out a picture of the two of you with
the caption best buds. Ever, how did that friendship begin?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I wow, Yeah, So coach McNally got a chance to
play for Jim when I was playing for the you know,
as a player with the Giants and best coach I've
ever had one season with Jim and really learned a
ton of a ton of football and unfortunately didn't get
a chance to play two seasons with him as the
staff moved on, but finished my career and got involved
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with mixed martial arts, which is another side story. But
Jim and I reconnected at the Cool Clinic here in Cincinnati. So,
and that was in twenty ten and just we probably
talked every day since. So coach McNally's the best great
mentor a great, great person, awesome coach. So you know
that's that's as a valuable friendship his family.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
He's the only offensive line coach that Anthony Munio has
had in the NFL. My broadcast partner Dave Lapham speaks
clothingly of his coaching. Do you still hear that voice
in your head as you coach offensive linement.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I hear it in my head and I also hear
it in my text messages and my calls. No, yeah,
so I talked to Jim quite often still and yeah, definitely,
so great great influence and obviously great coach and still
highly respected by everybody today.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Let's talk about another offensive line coach. You worked with
Bill Callahan in Cleveland for four years. Brian's dad, Zach's
college coach when he was a player at Nebraska, universally
considered to be one of the greatest offensive line coaches
of all time. How did you grow as a coach
from working with Bill Callahan for those four years.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Grew tremendously. And actually I credit coach McNally for making
that connection because he and Bill. You know, uh, I know,
Jim was a mentor to Bill. I got connected with
Bill through Jim and I did some work with with
Bill as a consultant. So when you know he was
working for the Cowboys and then he went to the
to to Washington, he would bring me around and so
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built that relationship. And then when he had that chance
to go to Cleveland, he brought me in and I
took advantage of that, and I walked in there and
it was a lesson. It was a four year apprenticeship
from the yest. I mean, you put him and Gym
together in a room. I mean, those are the best,
in my mind, the best old line coaches ever ever
to coach the game. So everything from from from soup
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to nuts with with Coach Callahan, extremely detailed and and
and the clarity is great. I mean, and just the
process that that he taught me, the way to look
at problems, the way to you know, kind of just
to do with all as a coach was something I
benefited from tremendously with Coach Callahan.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We're visiting with the Bengals new offensive line coach Scott Peters.
You had a seven year NFL career, ending with an
Arizona team that went to the Super Bowl in two
thousand and eight. How does that help you as an
assistant coach?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, I can relate to the players. I know what
they've been through and I know what they're going through
and you know, having played it, it was always something
that that frustrated me. Like I said, McNally was the
best coach I played for. And I say best I
played for some great coaches too, not to minimize that,
but he was so clear about what he wanted us
to do. He gave us the tools, you know, the techniques,
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the tools, and the way to to kind of go
about your job with real crystal clarity. And that's where
where I think I kind of model after. I want
to make sure the guys are completely clear on what
to do, give them the best instruments and tools that
they can use to be successful. So that's that's probably
the most important aspect. I don't understand where they're coming from.
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They don't want to hear vague commentary. They don't want
to hear I need to block that guy. They want
to know how to do it and do it with precisions.
So that's something that I take a lot of pride in.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
You made a reference to this. When your career ended,
you got heavily involved in martial arts. You are a
world champion and Brazilian jiu jitsu. What was the appeal
of that for you?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So when I was playing, I always kind of watched
the UFC and I'm like, Wow, those guys are crazy,
you know, And I watched it. I was entertained by it,
and I saw hoys crazy. He was a jiu jitsu
guy and he going there. And it was kind of
before the UFC really took off. It was when martial
arts were kind of isolated. They called it mixed martial arts.
But you had the the karate guy fight the jiu
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jitsu guy. Well, now it's like everybody has all the skills,
but the jiu jitsu element was something that was intriguing.
How does a small guy beat a big guy using
these moves? And I had an injury one time, you know,
as a player, where I was kind of on crutches
for a period and I couldn't do anything on my feet.
So I thought, well, maybe I'll join a jiu jitsu
I was playing for the Panthers at the time, and
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I go in. I'm about three hundred pounds and I'm strong.
I mean I could bench about five hundred pounds. I
walk into this gym and I get armbard, which is
a submission an armlock by a guy who's twice my age,
half my size. He's a banker. And I'm like, I
don't know how you did that. I couldn't do anything
about it to stop it. I thought it was interested,
like really intriguing and if you can kind of check
your ego and come back the next day, which I did.
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I found it to be really kind of a fun trade.
It was fun, fun to train in and something that
kind of helped me add some time to my career
due to injury. And then it benefited me a ton
just from the standpoint of learning leverage, you know, hand
fighting skills, how to attack someone to you know, operate
from perfect anatomical integrity and attack the integrity of the
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player across from you, so things like that, or the
opponent by breaking them down anatomically. So there's some benefits
for that. I learned that, you know, and I opened
up an MMA gym, which was a different a different
life after I finished playing and really wanted to immerse
myself in the martial arts because I was not an
expert by any stretch. I was a football player who
had an MMA gym. So what I did was I
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brought in experts that I could the best guys I
could find from around, you know, the world, some guys
from Brazil who I trained with in the gym. As
I learned and I ran the business, and you know,
I thought, you know, the best way for me to
kind of do this is to go compete. So I
started doing tournaments and I beat some pretty top level
guys and one of the guys was Tommy Rowlands. I
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beat him. He was an Ohio state wrestler, so the
winning I think they said, he's the winningest Ohio state
wrestler in history. He was a heavyweight, and I faced
him in a tournament in Las Vegas and I submitted him.
And so after that it was like brock Lesnar's training
camp called and all these different he was fighting. He
was a UFC champ at the time. So started training
with some of the top you know UFC fighters and
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kind of got myself to like to a point where okay,
I'm qualified in the business and all that. But really
what happened from there was really had the itch to
get back involved with football, and so I had guys
coming in the gym, you know, with this new knowledge,
I guess it's more of a new approach to way
to look at things. I started putting some some things
together from a biomechanics standpoint, how do we attack someone
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in football with football objectives, using maybe concepts that were
applicable in the different martial arts, which is just optimal
integrity of the body, things like that. So the mechanics
of the way guys you know, move and and so
so trying to apply those concepts to football was was
really kind of the method. And then that's where Jim
and I got back in touch, and you know, I
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started doing clinics for them and Bob Wiley and some
other guys.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
So I'm no expert, but it certainly sounds applicable to
offensive line play. Have the players embraced those martial arts principles?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
They do, But I don't talk about martial arts as
much because you know, it's it's it's kind of a
you know, there's guys that talk about martial arts, and
then how do you make that transition? I think I have,
you know, an expertise in both fields, but you know,
I don't. We don't really discuss martial arts. Some of
the guys like talking about it because what they watched
the fights, but really it's more so just these are
just kind of things and principles and the way the
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body of man mechanics work, and some of the training
methodologies that are applicable. And I'll make those comparisons, but
they do appreciate it. What is the strike system? So
the strike system is something that that I developed, you
know through uh, you know, kind of inspired by martial arts.
You know, when you're working in your focused myths or
mid training with a boxing coach, you know, he'll talk
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about throwing a jab. Okay, well jab is a one
across as a two. So do two different strikes. You
have an uppercut, you have a hook, you have some
different things you'll do there, and and the coach will
call out the strikes with the numbering system we have,
you know, nine strikes or you know that we'll use
and these are just different types of strikes. You're using
different types of forms of contact you'll use. And really,
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once you teach those strikes, it's you'll be able to
then kind of use an abbreviation of sorts. So when
I wanted one strike or two strike or three you know,
whatever the number may be, and then the sequence of strike.
So it gives guys real, you know, definition as to
what we're looking to do based on each objective in
the game. So whether that's a pass or run where
they're based on alignment, based on opponent type things like that,
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they'll have the tools kind of built within. So that's
just kind of the way we communicate in our room.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
We're visiting the Scott Peters. What's the first thing on
your plate in Cincinnati?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
First thing on my plate just getting settled in and
getting to work. You know, we're still kind of going through.
It just took a tour, so so just excited to
get in here and then get started.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know, coaches here play a significant role in evaluating
prospects for the draft. Have you done that in your
previous stops in Cleveland and New England?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yes, I have so. So in Cleveland, Bill, Bill Callahan
and I we would break down all the players, you know,
the free agents, the veteran players, and then we look at
the draft and Bill, you know, taught me his process
and it was a great process. And that's something I
took with me to New England as well, and but
always had input. But I know here it's it's it's
especially important that the bent so the coaches are a
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big consideration, So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Did you evaluate a Marius Mimes last year and if so,
what did you think.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I certainly did. I was very impressed, and I mean
obviously the physical talent. But I got a chance to
meet with meet with a Marius last year in Georgia.
Uh and I just thought with a great kid. So
you know, I'm real fired up again about the chance
to work with them.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
What traits do you look for?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It starts with character and intelligence. I think once you
get past that, I mean, that's like a checkpoint. You
want to make sure you know to play the position
of offensive line. You want guys that have great character,
the good they love football, and then they you know,
they have the intelligence to be able to come in
and apply the teachings from the classroom to the grass.
After that, we look for for for measurables. We look
for things that they can do. And arm length is
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one of the biggest traits that we look for in
our tackles here in Cincinnati have long arms and that's
it's great because you want to use use the length
to your advantage, keep the guys on the edge, creet
the width of the pocket kind of like a boxer.
A guy with a long jap can can reach out
and touch you like at a distance. It's it's very helpful,
especially against elite pass rusher. So that's something we do
definitely consider, but it all starts with those those two things,
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like I said, character and intelligence.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Orlando Brown Junior is another guy that has arm length
and a lot of those measurables. What have you thought
of his NFL career.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I think he's excellent. I think that you know, really
excited again to get get to work with Orlando and
he's got all the traits and tools that you look
for in an elite tackle, So you know, fired up.
To have those two guys here is a real plus
and advantage because there's just not that many guys walking
planet Earth that can do those things, that have that
kind of length and and talent, and uh, it's there.
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That's why guys are It's a coveted position, you know
in the NFL, is to have two tackles you can
can play long and can move their feet.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Is run game coordinator part of the job description for
you here.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That is not the title, but that's something we're all
going to collectively do as a staff and so looking
forward to collaborating with with the rest of the offensive coaches.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's an interesting chant. In Cincinnati, You've got a great
offense led by Joe Burrow, but it's a pass first
offense with Joe and Jamar, that's understandable. How does that
impact coaching the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, it puts a lot of premium on obviously protection,
so you you have to you know, you have to
come about it in a way where we take a
lot of pride I do personally just in the protection detail,
making sure the guys have the skills, understand the situations.
The scheme is obviously a huge part of that. But
but then the tools to be able to block and
hold up in protection against the elite rushers of the league.
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That's that's what you got to do if you want
to win a world title. So huge, huge aspect and consideration.
Something that I think is the strength of mind to
be able to help develop those guys further in their
careers and they're to help us win.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
What did you learn about the AFC North in your
four years in Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, I learned that nobody likes the Ravens and nobody
likes the Steelers, you know, so, uh it was uh No,
I learned a ton and honestly, it's my favorite division
in football. It's a great rivalries across the league, across
the division, so familiar with each each side, and you know,
having been in Cleveland for four seasons, you get a feel,
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real good feel for the way things work, and there's
been good continuity there across all four teams, So you
have some knowledge going in.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Did you talk to Zach or anybody else about possible
changes on the Bengals offensive line going forward for next year?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You know, we have not talked about that yet, but obviously,
like every year, there's always transition, always change, there's always
new people coming and going. So but we'll looking forward
to that discussion as we get get underway. Tell me
a little bit about the Tip of the Spear. Yeah, So,
Tip of the Spear is a company that I started.
It's a it's a coach is really more so for coaches,
a training program that we started after the gym. I
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sold the gym and started this football company where we
would clinic coaches. And we did that, you know, again
from the NFL level, a lot of college programs and
then really down to the youth level. So teaching contact,
how do we you know, use the most meaningful tools
you know that don't involve the helmet. So we took
the helmet, try to take the helmet out of contact
the best tools, as we talked about, are not the helmet.
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I mean you're not going to move a chair or
a large couch with your head. I mean if you're
moving to some and we move people with our shoulders,
use our hands. So that was a curriculum that we
developed and it's it's ongoing. So Mike Pollock, a former
Bengal player, he runs it now. So Mike's doing a
great job with that. But that was something that really
did help help me kind of and it was started
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before I got into coaching, actually, you know, working for
the Browns, but their tools are things that you give
coaches like here's here's a high level progression for contact.
So again it's really the same things. We found that
even the youth players and the and the top NFL players,
the biomechanics are the same. Positions are maybe different, but
a lot of the objectives and the way we go
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about contact or are very much the same. So that's
that's kind of on a high level, what we we
do a tip of the spear and give guys really
just alternative tools and methodologies to be able to train
contact in the off season like baseball, if you want
to get better at baseball in the off season, you
go to the batting cage. You want to play basketball,
you shoot free throws. You know, you can do sports
specific training. But in football, contact is the is an
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art form, it's a skill. It's a high level skill
that takes a long time in many cases to develop
because of the lack of opportunity. So finding ways to
get those skills developed in a capacity where contact isn't
allowed with something we also major in.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
There are only thirty two jobs of the fit your
job description. Why was this one appealing to you?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, obviously it appeals to me because you know the
Bengals are have a very good football team, and you
know they're a program that I'm familiar with. It's exciting.
I'm obviously very proud that you know the lineage here
after Jim McNally was coaching here. So there's a lot
that I know about the program and a lot to
be excited about. I think that you know, coming in
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and having a chance to help get take the guys
to the next level of something I'm really optimistic about
and excited to be a part of. Welcome to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Great to have you part of the Bengals family.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's great to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Coach Peters is bringing an assistant offensive line coach with
him named Michael McCarthy. He is previous NFL experience of
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the bengals other offseason priorities, I caught up with Bengals
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opportunity to visit with new offensive line coach Scott Peters today.
As far as I'm concerned, anybody who gets a thumbs
up from Jim mcdally and Bill Callahan sounds good to me. Well,
what did you think from your interaction with Scott? What
do you think of his background?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, I think it was impressive. The number of things
that he's done since he stopped playing. He's he's forty six,
so he's been done playing now for a good sixteen
seventeen years.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And you know, McNally calls him.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
We're talking about former offensive line coach Bengals offensive line
coach and consultant Jim McNally, who's kind of has the
same status as Bill Callahan guru offensive line guru. And
you know, Jim says Peters is the best, the best
of the updated offensive line coaches, meaning you know when
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it comes to the current day mechanics and technique in
the game, and you know, you talk to him, you
know he's got that Joe Jetsu Marshall ats background. He's
a hands guy. That's what Bill. Bill brought him to
the Browns. Bill Callahan brought him to the Browns. He
as like his hands guy, but you know, he kind
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of had this Niche is kind of a you know,
he was a specialist, you know, but you know, but
he's been working with McNally and Callahan for years and
Jimmy says, you know, he's he knows everything. He's not
only a very technique sound hands guy, but he knows protections,
he knows schemes, and you know he actually Jimmy's very
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famous Mushroom Society of offensive line coaches.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Peters went there, you know, right when he was.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Done playing football and not into coaching yet, but he
would go and he would present, you know, he would
present to that group.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
So you know, he maybe forty six, but he knows
his stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What's the challenge for the new offensive line coach in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I think he hit it on the head.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think he said development, you know, to develop maybe
not the first round draft picks and a second or
maybe not draft picks at all, but you know, practice squad.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Guy, back of the roster guys, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Get them up and playing. There's several examples of them
in Cleveland. And I think that's I think he sees
himself in the in the mold of McNally that way,
you know, the guy he built. Jimmy built one of
the great offensive lines of all time in Cincinnati with
Munos the third pick in the draft as his lynch pin.
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But it was made up other than that. It was seventh, eighth,
ninth round draft picks back when they had nine rounds.
So I think Scott sees himself, you know, kind of
in that mold and develop people. And you know, of
course the challenge is to counter those you know, great
defensive lines in the AFC North there always seems to
be three of them, you know, and I think it helps.
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That's a big reason. And I take my hat off
to Zach for going after a guy who coached in
the division for four years and uh, you know, I
think that's a kind of a nod to what he
and Callahan did in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I think it's safe to assume three of the five
starting spots will be unchanged. Orlando Brown Junior will be
the left tackle, Ted Carris will be the center, and
A Marius Mims will be the right tackle. Do you
think one or both guards will be different?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Well, I think, you know, they definitely sent a message
in the month of December. They benched Volson, you know,
at a couple of different points. And although I think
he's a guy, to me, he's a guy.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
He's forty years in the game.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You know, you would think he's got a lot left
to you know, to grow. But if that's a that
may be a sign they look elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And maybe they're looking.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They don't have to have very fat a look, they
could have their left guard and thirty four that the
guy they replaced Bolson with who had a very fine season,
you know. At right guard, I think Alex camp Cap
has been banged up, you know, so I think they
have to make a decision there, you know, can he
get healthy and but I think that's something that they
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you know that they're definitely going to look at the interior.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I mean, you know, Mims and Orlando Brown. I think
you know, that's about as good as you could get.
Peters talked about that about how he's got a great
starting spot with those two tackles, you know, because they're
the highest guys to get, you know, so.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
You know, I think guides definitely where they're looking at.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Orlando Brown Junior, by the way, in the building working
out today on Martin Luther King Day. So he's picking
up right where he left off in the off season
last year, which is a great thing to see. Butch,
I kid you often about being mister run the ball
guy in a passing era, but there have been ten
playoff winners so far this year. They have averaged one
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hundred and sixty eight rushing yards so far. So I'm
coming around to your side. Does some of that has
to do with bad weather? Some of those yards come
after the games are clinched, and that distorts the stats
a little bad. But I do think that part of
the challenge for Scott Peters and part of the challenge
for Zach Taylor going forward is to have a more
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dependable running game. And I imagine that's music to your ears.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, that's great to hear you coming on board.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, we'll give you a leather helmet for that.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
But no, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I always would say, you know, everybody says it's a
passing league until about December tenth, you know, and I
think it's.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Part of the reason, I think is because these pass
rushers and they're getting better and better, and so you
just can't be third and long. You know, you're trying
to get to third and two, you know, And I've
seen a lot of that. You see you seem to
seem see that a lot more in the playoffs, probably
because the teams that there have these great pass rushers,
so you're seeing them the ball run at least one
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of two times early in the downs if they don't
run it on first down, they run it on second
down to make sure. You know, like Josh Allen third
and two, you can't stop. You can't stop Josh Allen
on third and two now third night. Yeah, so you know, yeah,
a lot of it's weather and stuff, but I just
think also too, you know, when you're playing a guy,
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you know Lami twice a year, and as good as
Burrow is, you know, you got to keep Jackson off
the field, you know, and uh, these offenses that you play,
I mean, you know you want to keep Burrow on
the field as long as possible. And and you know,
I think if you put him with a run game
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and any kind of semilance of play action, I mean,
he'd be absolutely lethal. I mean, you know, he's you know,
his numbers would say he's better than Jackson and Allen.
So put him with a put him with any kind
of a play action, and you know, you know, what
are you looking at. You're looking at a monster. I
mean he's already monstrous. I mean, he's already he's already
(25:57):
thrown as you As I go back and listen to
my Horde calls, I mean some of these touchdowns you're describing,
you know, it's like something out of the circus, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I mean, so you give Joe Burrow a running game?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
My god, Well, I think he's got a good running
and I think he's got a good running game too.
I mean, I don't want to just I think he's
you know, I think Zach did a good ball trying
to you know, with Eric Allen and stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I mean with Eric Hall.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I think Zach had saw what he I thought Zach
did a great job recognizing what he had in Eric
Hall and Chase Brown and Zach Moss because I thought
before Eric Hall all get hurt, he did a great
job with formations and stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, and Chase Brown would have topped one thousand yards
if he wasn't injured in the regular season finale. So
it wasn't like they didn't run it at all. It
wasn't like the running game didn't have some good moments.
But I would like to see a little bit more
of a commitment to it. Cut down on the number
of hits that Joe takes, and help your offensive line
a little bit more if they can.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, when you judge
the Bengals offensive line, I don't think you can you know,
you have to understand that they're playing they're playing against
teams that know that Burrow is their guy. And you know,
Zach has said it's a past first offense. So I
think that, you know, you've got to give your offensive line.
(27:25):
I think it does. You know, teams aren't playing the run.
You know, those edge guys, those edge guys aren't playing
the run.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I mean they're they are.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You know, as they like to say, what pin their
ears back, that's a good lap, that's that's that's a
good lap thing.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
You know, lap Lapp will say that when it's third and.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Eight or they're down ten, you know, but these guys,
you know, I think they're always been in their ears
back most of the time. So I think the offensive
line really, I mean, you know, yeah, they got to
you know, they got to improve. But I mean I think, uh,
for a team that pass protects as much as they do,
you tip your head off of the tackles and.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
The way Pitcher and Zach do the protections, you know,
I think they do. I think they do a good job.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah. I think if you look at you know, pressure
percentage and sacks for a pass attempt, it was more
middle of the pack. So If you just look at
the raw numbers of sacks allowed and quarterback kids, it
doesn't look great. Then when you consider how often they
threw it, you realize that the offensive line did a
reasonably good job.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You know, listen, Zach put together the most prolific, uh,
the most prolific offense in franchise history. So I think,
you know, I think he's got to you know, I
think he's on the right.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
You know, I think he's you know, whatever he's doing
is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So I think here, I think that's why I think
I tip my hat to him when he goes with
a guy like Peters, who I think, you know, Peters
has had an unconventional rise in the game. But I
think Zach recognizes his pedigree and the things, the strength
he's in Cleveland he wants to bring here, which I
think is great because the Cleveland offensive line when Callahan
(29:05):
and Scott were there.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Gave the Bengals fits best in the league. Yeah, that's right,
no question.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
All right.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
There are three big contract issues that every Bengals fan
is talking about and thinking about. Jamar and Chase t
Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. Do any of those deals get
done before the combine. Do you think that's.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
What people are saying, that that is a you know,
I've heard that bandied about that the timeline is a
little bit accelerated. You know, usually we sealed, we see
deals like that in training camp, you know, later in
the calendar. But because they do have some, you know,
you got to you know, since they do it, two
of the two great receivers are both up at the
(29:46):
same time. Do they have to get that resolved? I
mean that's interesting. You know, do you get Chase done?
Do you franchise Tea? I mean, these are all things
you hear about. I would say, I don't know it
has to get done before the combine, but I think
there'll be a glory of activity we probably haven't seen.
I think I think the date we're looking for is
(30:08):
before free agency, right, what's that open match the IDEs
of match match fifteen. I think that's probably maybe the
date to keep an eye on where probably they'll be.
You know, there might be a little bit more activity
than usual with with with with with guys on their roster.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
As you've watched playoff games, hasn't added to your belief
that the Bengals would have had a chance for a
long postseason run had they made it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean, I mean just the way, just the
way Joe is playing.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I mean, I I think.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You know, you know, you particularly look at the at
the teams that have won. You know, this is the
Buffalo team that they'd be pretty handily on a Monday
night just a year ago, you know, and I don't
think they're as good. I don't think their defense is
as good. Don't think Buffalo's defense is as good as
the one that Burrow picked.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
A pat that night. And you know that was a
good Buffalo defense in Cincinnati in twenty twenty three. So
I just look at that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I think they would have you know, I think they
could have had their way in Buffalo, you know, certainly,
I think, uh, you know, I mean another shot at Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I mean, geez, they I mean, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Mean, it just makes you think how closely you know,
they had Kansas City beat, and Kansas City really hasn't.
I thought Kansas City looked rusty for the first forty
five minutes. You know, if the Bengals had gotten them
in that in that game, if they had gone him
in a divisional you know, against the rusty Kansas City
team and them being so hot. Yeah, I just you know,
(31:39):
I guess, I guess the more I watched, the sicker
I guess I get. I guess I can only imagine.
I can only imagine how the Bengals and the coaches feel,
you know. I mean, I think it was, uh, you know,
they're they're you know, they're clearly good enough.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
When Joe Burrow came out after the Dallas game and
expressed confidence that the Bengals could keep t Higgins, change
your opinion of the likelihood that that could happen.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
It's still a numbers game, Hordy, But I think, you know,
Borrow's got a lot to say in the organization, so
obviously that.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
That, uh, that made me listen, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
And I think that it's always been the hope of
the team to keep them both, you know, And I
think you know, they're they're trying, they're trying to make
it work, and I it's just not an easy it
is not an easy mathematical problem.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
And you know, I think they're gonna try.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I mean, I think I think they were gonna try
even before Joe said anything. But obviously, you know, when
Joe says something, people listen, and I, you know, I
think there's urgency. There's urgency to get both those deals done.
And I I think Joe. I think Joe sends the urgency.
I mean, and I think you know, I think it's
a two way street. I think everybody knows the urgency.
(32:56):
I think Joe is just kind of expressing it. But
you know, they still have to figure out. You know,
they're gonna have to stop teams too. You know they're
gonna have to They're gonna have to stop teams too.
So I don't know, man, this is a classic. What's
the answer and how do you do it? I don't know, man,
you gotta be a I don't know if we had
(33:17):
any I don't know if we had any double majors
at Syracuse of philosophy, Uh, philosophy and math.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, economics, advanced economics.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah yeah, and and and philosophy and and uh. But
I guess you know, yeah, I guess that's called sports
management nowadays. We didn't we didn't have sports management back
in our day.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Maybe that is a sports management class now.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
When t changed agents and aligned himself with Jamar's agent,
did you take that to be a hopeful sign.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think the whole. I
think the whole.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
You know, when Joe said what he did and t
changed agents, I mean, it just reaffirmed to me that
every but He's. Top thing to happen is both these
guys sticking together. I mean that that's the that's the hope.
And I think, uh, you know, can't you wish it
into reality? I mean that's the thing. I mean, it's
(34:15):
it's just not a question of you know, if you're
looking at this thing down the road with a you know,
with a defense and special teams, how does it all fit?
And I just think it's uh, you know, I mean
another thing is you got to get the salary cap
numbers too, before anything really happens. I mean, you to
(34:35):
really get a feel for this thing. What's the number
going to be? You know, And I I you know,
you don't typically know what the combine. You know, you
have to kind of you know, that's more of a
free agency question.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
So but yeah, I think you know, Te's he's terrific.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
You know, he wants to stay. You know, he played high,
he played through injuries. Everybody loves the guy. He wants
to be here, he said it many times, and the
Joe wants him back. But like I said, Kim, the Kim,
the numbers match Kim, the numbers match match the the wish.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Jamar's under contract, Trey's under contract t could be franchise
tagged partly to you know, extend the negotiating process and
try to get a long term deal done. But there
are other guys on this team that we are very
fond of that are truly free agents right now. Mike Hilton,
Mike KASICKI, BJ Hill, Team Davis Gaither. Any strong feeling
(35:34):
about any of those guys and trying to retain them, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I think, I think, I think, I think Cody Ford,
I think I think is another guy you gotta consider,
you know, because as as one coach told me, what
would have happened if we didn't have Cody Ford this year?
I mean, the guys started at four different spots, and
he really stepped up in the summer when they you know,
when they needed him the most. So, yeah, Cody Ford's
a guy. Uh Gistecki, I think is a I mean
(36:02):
what better? I mean, just he walked in here and
has sixty two catches and he looked like I mean,
he looked like he'd been playing.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
With Borrow for six years, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I mean, those are two guys that off the top
of my head, Off the top of the head, you know,
Davis Gather has been a key guy. He was a
key guy from Scrimmage when they lost Logan Wilson. He
would seem to be a guy you have to keep,
you know, particularly you know, as a core special teams guy.
I mean Hilton, I mean, you know, they they weren't
(36:31):
playing him on third down. Where does that? Where does
that change? You know, you're gonna have a change of
defensive coordinator. So obviously he would have a say on
the Mike Hiltons of the world. But I mean, you know,
if Mike Hilton doesn't take another snap as a Bengal
well in a legacy, he would leave. So you really,
you know, it's it's tough to see a guy like
(36:51):
that walk out of walk out of the building.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I think that's a question for the next DC.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
But you know, I thought the one thing, and Hilton
was big reason that I thought the Young Corners. I
thought the Young Corners really progressed, you know, And I
thought a reason was Mike was was Mike's leadership in
that in that room. But really, if you're looking for
something to hang your hat on for this defense, and
that's a that's starting to be a deep, you know,
(37:17):
a deep room. Cam Taylor Brick played better. I've talked
to some people think Dax Hill. You know, Dax Hills
is one of the top defensive players on this team.
You know, it was the best corner before he got hurt,
and when DJ Turner got hurt, he was probably playing
their best corner. So Josh Newton played well as a rookie,
So you know, where does Mike fit into that?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Right?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You know that's a I think that's all stuff that
the next DC has to work out.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
What's next in the Hall of Fame process.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
We've been kind of sworn to secrecy on this one,
so I can't even really set all all. I can
really tell you Willie's in the final fifteen. So at
some point there has to be a there has to
be a meeting, there has to be a I have
to make a presentation, there has to be a vote,
(38:09):
and then the thing will be announced on February sixth,
on the night of NFL Awards. But Willie's one of
the fifteen, you know, god willing, he's uh, he's got
a shot to be on the same stage that maybe
maybe Joe Burrow gets named Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I wish you would be named MVP, but he's our MVP.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
But you know, I would think Comeback Player of the
Year would be nice to see a couple of.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Bengals up there on the stage joining Burrow on.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know, that's a glodsy night, that's a glitsy night
in the NFL, that awards night. But that's kind of
where we are when in a Hall of Fame progress.
We're a little bit of purgatory right now.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well, I know you're doing everything in your power to
make Willie's case. You helped him get to this point
on a few straight occasions now, so hopefully this is
the year that we see him up on that stage.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Well, you're kind to say that forty. I think he's
got a powerful argument. We all know the argument. You know,
hasn't been a modern era right tackle elected since Matthew
Slater in two thousand and one, since since Jackie Slater
in two thousand and one, And we may be voting
on Matthew Slater here pretty soon. So that tells you
(39:24):
it's been a long time for a right tackle. So
but you know, like Willie says himself, everybody on.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That list is worthy to be in the hall.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
You know, it's really it's really just the stunning, you know,
when you're when you're looking at a you know, so
many great players are really such a smart guy, you know,
I think he knows, he knows how hard it is.
I think he also knows it's just an honor to
be I mean, forty years in a row, he's been
one of the fifteen.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
That's quite an honor, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
All right, butch appreciate your time as always, great stuff.
Looking forward to seeing you soon.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Ord, You're the best. Keep resting that voice that's.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
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The Bengals announced on Monday that they've hired Scott Peters
as their new offensive line coach. He had that job
in New England last season after being Cleveland's assis distant
line coach for the previous four years under Bill Callahad.
Scott has a unique background. In addition to playing and
coaching in the NFL, he's won martial arts World Championships,
(02:13):
trained MMA fighters, and started a company called Tip of
the Spear with the mission of reducing concussions and head
and neck injuries in football. I sat down with Coach
Peters on Monday. It's got a few days before Christmas.
The greatest offensive line coach in Bengals history. Jim McNally,
a line coach on the first two Super Bowl teams,
(02:34):
tweeted out a picture of the two of you with
the caption best buds. Ever, how did that friendship begin?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I wow, Yeah, So coach McNally got a chance to
play for Jim when I was playing for the you know,
as a player with the Giants and best coach I've
ever had one season with Jim and really learned a
ton of a ton of football and unfortunately didn't get
a chance to play two seasons with him as the
staff moved on, but finished my career and got involved
(03:04):
with mixed martial arts, which is another side story. But
Jim and I reconnected at the Cool Clinic here in Cincinnati. So,
and that was in twenty ten and just we probably
talked every day since. So coach McNally's the best great
mentor a great, great person, awesome coach. So you know
that's that's as a valuable friendship his family.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
He's the only offensive line coach that Anthony Munio has
had in the NFL. My broadcast partner Dave Lapham speaks
clothingly of his coaching. Do you still hear that voice
in your head as you coach offensive linement.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I hear it in my head and I also hear
it in my text messages and my calls. No, yeah,
so I talked to Jim quite often still and yeah, definitely,
so great great influence and obviously great coach and still
highly respected by everybody today.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Let's talk about another offensive line coach. You worked with
Bill Callahan in Cleveland for four years. Brian's dad, Zach's
college coach when he was a player at Nebraska, universally
considered to be one of the greatest offensive line coaches
of all time. How did you grow as a coach
from working with Bill Callahan for those four years.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Grew tremendously. And actually I credit coach McNally for making
that connection because he and Bill. You know, uh, I know,
Jim was a mentor to Bill. I got connected with
Bill through Jim and I did some work with with
Bill as a consultant. So when you know he was
working for the Cowboys and then he went to the
to to Washington, he would bring me around and so
(04:31):
built that relationship. And then when he had that chance
to go to Cleveland, he brought me in and I
took advantage of that, and I walked in there and
it was a lesson. It was a four year apprenticeship
from the yest. I mean, you put him and Gym
together in a room. I mean, those are the best,
in my mind, the best old line coaches ever ever
to coach the game. So everything from from from soup
(04:51):
to nuts with with Coach Callahan, extremely detailed and and
and the clarity is great. I mean, and just the
process that that he taught me, the way to look
at problems, the way to you know, kind of just
to do with all as a coach was something I
benefited from tremendously with Coach Callahan.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We're visiting with the Bengals new offensive line coach Scott Peters.
You had a seven year NFL career, ending with an
Arizona team that went to the Super Bowl in two
thousand and eight. How does that help you as an
assistant coach?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, I can relate to the players. I know what
they've been through and I know what they're going through
and you know, having played it, it was always something
that that frustrated me. Like I said, McNally was the
best coach I played for. And I say best I
played for some great coaches too, not to minimize that,
but he was so clear about what he wanted us
to do. He gave us the tools, you know, the techniques,
(05:41):
the tools, and the way to to kind of go
about your job with real crystal clarity. And that's where
where I think I kind of model after. I want
to make sure the guys are completely clear on what
to do, give them the best instruments and tools that
they can use to be successful. So that's that's probably
the most important aspect. I don't understand where they're coming from.
(06:01):
They don't want to hear vague commentary. They don't want
to hear I need to block that guy. They want
to know how to do it and do it with precisions.
So that's something that I take a lot of pride in.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
You made a reference to this. When your career ended,
you got heavily involved in martial arts. You are a
world champion and Brazilian jiu jitsu. What was the appeal
of that for you?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So when I was playing, I always kind of watched
the UFC and I'm like, Wow, those guys are crazy,
you know, And I watched it. I was entertained by it,
and I saw hoys crazy. He was a jiu jitsu
guy and he going there. And it was kind of
before the UFC really took off. It was when martial
arts were kind of isolated. They called it mixed martial arts.
But you had the the karate guy fight the jiu
(06:42):
jitsu guy. Well, now it's like everybody has all the skills,
but the jiu jitsu element was something that was intriguing.
How does a small guy beat a big guy using
these moves? And I had an injury one time, you know,
as a player, where I was kind of on crutches
for a period and I couldn't do anything on my feet.
So I thought, well, maybe I'll join a jiu jitsu
I was playing for the Panthers at the time, and
(07:03):
I go in. I'm about three hundred pounds and I'm strong.
I mean I could bench about five hundred pounds. I
walk into this gym and I get armbard, which is
a submission an armlock by a guy who's twice my age,
half my size. He's a banker. And I'm like, I
don't know how you did that. I couldn't do anything
about it to stop it. I thought it was interested,
like really intriguing and if you can kind of check
your ego and come back the next day, which I did.
(07:24):
I found it to be really kind of a fun trade.
It was fun, fun to train in and something that
kind of helped me add some time to my career
due to injury. And then it benefited me a ton
just from the standpoint of learning leverage, you know, hand
fighting skills, how to attack someone to you know, operate
from perfect anatomical integrity and attack the integrity of the
(07:44):
player across from you, so things like that, or the
opponent by breaking them down anatomically. So there's some benefits
for that. I learned that, you know, and I opened
up an MMA gym, which was a different a different
life after I finished playing and really wanted to immerse
myself in the martial arts because I was not an
expert by any stretch. I was a football player who
had an MMA gym. So what I did was I
(08:06):
brought in experts that I could the best guys I
could find from around, you know, the world, some guys
from Brazil who I trained with in the gym. As
I learned and I ran the business, and you know,
I thought, you know, the best way for me to
kind of do this is to go compete. So I
started doing tournaments and I beat some pretty top level
guys and one of the guys was Tommy Rowlands. I
(08:28):
beat him. He was an Ohio state wrestler, so the
winning I think they said, he's the winningest Ohio state
wrestler in history. He was a heavyweight, and I faced
him in a tournament in Las Vegas and I submitted him.
And so after that it was like brock Lesnar's training
camp called and all these different he was fighting. He
was a UFC champ at the time. So started training
with some of the top you know UFC fighters and
(08:51):
kind of got myself to like to a point where okay,
I'm qualified in the business and all that. But really
what happened from there was really had the itch to
get back involved with football, and so I had guys
coming in the gym, you know, with this new knowledge,
I guess it's more of a new approach to way
to look at things. I started putting some some things
together from a biomechanics standpoint, how do we attack someone
(09:11):
in football with football objectives, using maybe concepts that were
applicable in the different martial arts, which is just optimal
integrity of the body, things like that. So the mechanics
of the way guys you know, move and and so
so trying to apply those concepts to football was was
really kind of the method. And then that's where Jim
and I got back in touch, and you know, I
(09:32):
started doing clinics for them and Bob Wiley and some
other guys.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
So I'm no expert, but it certainly sounds applicable to
offensive line play. Have the players embraced those martial arts principles?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
They do, But I don't talk about martial arts as
much because you know, it's it's it's kind of a
you know, there's guys that talk about martial arts, and
then how do you make that transition? I think I have,
you know, an expertise in both fields, but you know,
I don't. We don't really discuss martial arts. Some of
the guys like talking about it because what they watched
the fights, but really it's more so just these are
just kind of things and principles and the way the
(10:04):
body of man mechanics work, and some of the training
methodologies that are applicable. And I'll make those comparisons, but
they do appreciate it. What is the strike system? So
the strike system is something that that I developed, you
know through uh, you know, kind of inspired by martial arts.
You know, when you're working in your focused myths or
mid training with a boxing coach, you know, he'll talk
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about throwing a jab. Okay, well jab is a one
across as a two. So do two different strikes. You
have an uppercut, you have a hook, you have some
different things you'll do there, and and the coach will
call out the strikes with the numbering system we have,
you know, nine strikes or you know that we'll use
and these are just different types of strikes. You're using
different types of forms of contact you'll use. And really,
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once you teach those strikes, it's you'll be able to
then kind of use an abbreviation of sorts. So when
I wanted one strike or two strike or three you know,
whatever the number may be, and then the sequence of strike.
So it gives guys real, you know, definition as to
what we're looking to do based on each objective in
the game. So whether that's a pass or run where
they're based on alignment, based on opponent type things like that,
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they'll have the tools kind of built within. So that's
just kind of the way we communicate in our room.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
We're visiting the Scott Peters. What's the first thing on
your plate in Cincinnati?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
First thing on my plate just getting settled in and
getting to work. You know, we're still kind of going through.
It just took a tour, so so just excited to
get in here and then get started.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know, coaches here play a significant role in evaluating
prospects for the draft. Have you done that in your
previous stops in Cleveland and New England?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yes, I have so. So in Cleveland, Bill, Bill Callahan
and I we would break down all the players, you know,
the free agents, the veteran players, and then we look at
the draft and Bill, you know, taught me his process
and it was a great process. And that's something I
took with me to New England as well, and but
always had input. But I know here it's it's it's
especially important that the bent so the coaches are a
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big consideration, So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Did you evaluate a Marius Mimes last year and if so,
what did you think.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I certainly did. I was very impressed, and I mean
obviously the physical talent. But I got a chance to
meet with meet with a Marius last year in Georgia.
Uh and I just thought with a great kid. So
you know, I'm real fired up again about the chance
to work with them.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
What traits do you look for?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
It starts with character and intelligence. I think once you
get past that, I mean, that's like a checkpoint. You
want to make sure you know to play the position
of offensive line. You want guys that have great character,
the good they love football, and then they you know,
they have the intelligence to be able to come in
and apply the teachings from the classroom to the grass.
After that, we look for for for measurables. We look
for things that they can do. And arm length is
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one of the biggest traits that we look for in
our tackles here in Cincinnati have long arms and that's
it's great because you want to use use the length
to your advantage, keep the guys on the edge, creet
the width of the pocket kind of like a boxer.
A guy with a long jap can can reach out
and touch you like at a distance. It's it's very helpful,
especially against elite pass rusher. So that's something we do
definitely consider, but it all starts with those those two things,
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like I said, character and intelligence.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Orlando Brown Junior is another guy that has arm length
and a lot of those measurables. What have you thought
of his NFL career.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I think he's excellent. I think that you know, really
excited again to get get to work with Orlando and
he's got all the traits and tools that you look
for in an elite tackle, So you know, fired up.
To have those two guys here is a real plus
and advantage because there's just not that many guys walking
planet Earth that can do those things, that have that
kind of length and and talent, and uh, it's there.
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That's why guys are It's a coveted position, you know
in the NFL, is to have two tackles you can
can play long and can move their feet.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Is run game coordinator part of the job description for
you here.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That is not the title, but that's something we're all
going to collectively do as a staff and so looking
forward to collaborating with with the rest of the offensive coaches.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's an interesting chant. In Cincinnati, You've got a great
offense led by Joe Burrow, but it's a pass first
offense with Joe and Jamar, that's understandable. How does that
impact coaching the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, it puts a lot of premium on obviously protection,
so you you have to you know, you have to
come about it in a way where we take a
lot of pride I do personally just in the protection detail,
making sure the guys have the skills, understand the situations.
The scheme is obviously a huge part of that. But
but then the tools to be able to block and
hold up in protection against the elite rushers of the league.
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That's that's what you got to do if you want
to win a world title. So huge, huge aspect and consideration.
Something that I think is the strength of mind to
be able to help develop those guys further in their
careers and they're to help us win.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
What did you learn about the AFC North in your
four years in Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, I learned that nobody likes the Ravens and nobody
likes the Steelers, you know, so, uh it was uh No,
I learned a ton and honestly, it's my favorite division
in football. It's a great rivalries across the league, across
the division, so familiar with each each side, and you know,
having been in Cleveland for four seasons, you get a feel,
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real good feel for the way things work, and there's
been good continuity there across all four teams, So you
have some knowledge going in.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Did you talk to Zach or anybody else about possible
changes on the Bengals offensive line going forward for next year?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You know, we have not talked about that yet, but obviously,
like every year, there's always transition, always change, there's always
new people coming and going. So but we'll looking forward
to that discussion as we get get underway. Tell me
a little bit about the Tip of the Spear. Yeah, So,
Tip of the Spear is a company that I started.
It's a it's a coach is really more so for coaches,
a training program that we started after the gym. I
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sold the gym and started this football company where we
would clinic coaches. And we did that, you know, again
from the NFL level, a lot of college programs and
then really down to the youth level. So teaching contact,
how do we you know, use the most meaningful tools
you know that don't involve the helmet. So we took
the helmet, try to take the helmet out of contact
the best tools, as we talked about, are not the helmet.
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I mean you're not going to move a chair or
a large couch with your head. I mean if you're
moving to some and we move people with our shoulders,
use our hands. So that was a curriculum that we
developed and it's it's ongoing. So Mike Pollock, a former
Bengal player, he runs it now. So Mike's doing a
great job with that. But that was something that really
did help help me kind of and it was started
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before I got into coaching, actually, you know, working for
the Browns, but their tools are things that you give
coaches like here's here's a high level progression for contact.
So again it's really the same things. We found that
even the youth players and the and the top NFL players,
the biomechanics are the same. Positions are maybe different, but
a lot of the objectives and the way we go
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about contact or are very much the same. So that's
that's kind of on a high level, what we we
do a tip of the spear and give guys really
just alternative tools and methodologies to be able to train
contact in the off season like baseball, if you want
to get better at baseball in the off season, you
go to the batting cage. You want to play basketball,
you shoot free throws. You know, you can do sports
specific training. But in football, contact is the is an
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art form, it's a skill. It's a high level skill
that takes a long time in many cases to develop
because of the lack of opportunity. So finding ways to
get those skills developed in a capacity where contact isn't
allowed with something we also major in.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
There are only thirty two jobs of the fit your
job description. Why was this one appealing to you?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, obviously it appeals to me because you know the
Bengals are have a very good football team, and you
know they're a program that I'm familiar with. It's exciting.
I'm obviously very proud that you know the lineage here
after Jim McNally was coaching here. So there's a lot
that I know about the program and a lot to
be excited about. I think that you know, coming in
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and having a chance to help get take the guys
to the next level of something I'm really optimistic about
and excited to be a part of. Welcome to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Great to have you part of the Bengals family.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's great to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
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opportunity to visit with new offensive line coach Scott Peters today.
As far as I'm concerned, anybody who gets a thumbs
up from Jim mcdally and Bill Callahan sounds good to me. Well,
what did you think from your interaction with Scott? What
do you think of his background?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, I think it was impressive. The number of things
that he's done since he stopped playing. He's he's forty six,
so he's been done playing now for a good sixteen
seventeen years.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And you know, McNally calls him.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
We're talking about former offensive line coach Bengals offensive line
coach and consultant Jim McNally, who's kind of has the
same status as Bill Callahan guru offensive line guru. And
you know, Jim says Peters is the best, the best
of the updated offensive line coaches, meaning you know when
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it comes to the current day mechanics and technique in
the game, and you know, you talk to him, you
know he's got that Joe Jetsu Marshall ats background. He's
a hands guy. That's what Bill. Bill brought him to
the Browns. Bill Callahan brought him to the Browns. He
as like his hands guy, but you know, he kind
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of had this Niche is kind of a you know,
he was a specialist, you know, but you know, but
he's been working with McNally and Callahan for years and
Jimmy says, you know, he's he knows everything. He's not
only a very technique sound hands guy, but he knows protections,
he knows schemes, and you know he actually Jimmy's very
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famous Mushroom Society of offensive line coaches.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Peters went there, you know, right when he was.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Done playing football and not into coaching yet, but he
would go and he would present, you know, he would
present to that group.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
So you know, he maybe forty six, but he knows
his stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What's the challenge for the new offensive line coach in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I think he hit it on the head.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think he said development, you know, to develop maybe
not the first round draft picks and a second or
maybe not draft picks at all, but you know, practice squad.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Guy, back of the roster guys, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Get them up and playing. There's several examples of them
in Cleveland. And I think that's I think he sees
himself in the in the mold of McNally that way,
you know, the guy he built. Jimmy built one of
the great offensive lines of all time in Cincinnati with
Munos the third pick in the draft as his lynch pin.
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But it was made up other than that. It was seventh, eighth,
ninth round draft picks back when they had nine rounds.
So I think Scott sees himself, you know, kind of
in that mold and develop people. And you know, of
course the challenge is to counter those you know, great
defensive lines in the AFC North there always seems to
be three of them, you know, and I think it helps.
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That's a big reason. And I take my hat off
to Zach for going after a guy who coached in
the division for four years and uh, you know, I
think that's a kind of a nod to what he
and Callahan did in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I think it's safe to assume three of the five
starting spots will be unchanged. Orlando Brown Junior will be
the left tackle, Ted Carris will be the center, and
A Marius Mims will be the right tackle. Do you
think one or both guards will be different?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Well, I think, you know, they definitely sent a message
in the month of December. They benched Volson, you know,
at a couple of different points. And although I think
he's a guy, to me, he's a guy.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
He's forty years in the game.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
You know, you would think he's got a lot left
to you know, to grow. But if that's a that
may be a sign they look elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And maybe they're looking.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They don't have to have very fat a look, they
could have their left guard and thirty four that the
guy they replaced Bolson with who had a very fine season,
you know. At right guard, I think Alex camp Cap
has been banged up, you know, so I think they
have to make a decision there, you know, can he
get healthy and but I think that's something that they
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you know that they're definitely going to look at the interior.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I mean, you know, Mims and Orlando Brown. I think
you know, that's about as good as you could get.
Peters talked about that about how he's got a great
starting spot with those two tackles, you know, because they're
the highest guys to get, you know, so.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
You know, I think guides definitely where they're looking at.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Orlando Brown Junior, by the way, in the building working
out today on Martin Luther King Day. So he's picking
up right where he left off in the off season
last year, which is a great thing to see. Butch,
I kid you often about being mister run the ball
guy in a passing era, but there have been ten
playoff winners so far this year. They have averaged one
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hundred and sixty eight rushing yards so far. So I'm
coming around to your side. Does some of that has
to do with bad weather? Some of those yards come
after the games are clinched, and that distorts the stats
a little bad. But I do think that part of
the challenge for Scott Peters and part of the challenge
for Zach Taylor going forward is to have a more
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dependable running game. And I imagine that's music to your ears.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, that's great to hear you coming on board.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, we'll give you a leather helmet for that.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
But no, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I always would say, you know, everybody says it's a
passing league until about December tenth, you know, and I
think it's.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Part of the reason, I think is because these pass
rushers and they're getting better and better, and so you
just can't be third and long. You know, you're trying
to get to third and two, you know, And I've
seen a lot of that. You see you seem to
seem see that a lot more in the playoffs, probably
because the teams that there have these great pass rushers,
so you're seeing them the ball run at least one
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of two times early in the downs if they don't
run it on first down, they run it on second
down to make sure. You know, like Josh Allen third
and two, you can't stop. You can't stop Josh Allen
on third and two now third night. Yeah, so you know, yeah,
a lot of it's weather and stuff, but I just
think also too, you know, when you're playing a guy,
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you know Lami twice a year, and as good as
Burrow is, you know, you got to keep Jackson off
the field, you know, and uh, these offenses that you play,
I mean, you know you want to keep Burrow on
the field as long as possible. And and you know,
I think if you put him with a run game
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and any kind of semilance of play action, I mean,
he'd be absolutely lethal. I mean, you know, he's you know,
his numbers would say he's better than Jackson and Allen.
So put him with a put him with any kind
of a play action, and you know, you know, what
are you looking at. You're looking at a monster. I
mean he's already monstrous. I mean, he's already he's already
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thrown as you As I go back and listen to
my Horde calls, I mean some of these touchdowns you're describing,
you know, it's like something out of the circus, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I mean, so you give Joe Burrow a running game?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
My god, Well, I think he's got a good running
and I think he's got a good running game too.
I mean, I don't want to just I think he's
you know, I think Zach did a good ball trying
to you know, with Eric Allen and stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I mean with Eric Hall.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I think Zach had saw what he I thought Zach
did a great job recognizing what he had in Eric
Hall and Chase Brown and Zach Moss because I thought
before Eric Hall all get hurt, he did a great
job with formations and stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, and Chase Brown would have topped one thousand yards
if he wasn't injured in the regular season finale. So
it wasn't like they didn't run it at all. It
wasn't like the running game didn't have some good moments.
But I would like to see a little bit more
of a commitment to it. Cut down on the number
of hits that Joe takes, and help your offensive line
a little bit more if they can.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, when you judge
the Bengals offensive line, I don't think you can you know,
you have to understand that they're playing they're playing against
teams that know that Burrow is their guy. And you know,
Zach has said it's a past first offense. So I
think that, you know, you've got to give your offensive line.
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I think it does. You know, teams aren't playing the run.
You know, those edge guys, those edge guys aren't playing
the run.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I mean they're they are.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You know, as they like to say, what pin their
ears back, that's a good lap, that's that's that's a
good lap thing.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
You know, lap Lapp will say that when it's third and.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Eight or they're down ten, you know, but these guys,
you know, I think they're always been in their ears
back most of the time. So I think the offensive
line really, I mean, you know, yeah, they got to
you know, they got to improve. But I mean I think, uh,
for a team that pass protects as much as they do,
you tip your head off of the tackles and.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
The way Pitcher and Zach do the protections, you know,
I think they do. I think they do a good job.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah. I think if you look at you know, pressure
percentage and sacks for a pass attempt, it was more
middle of the pack. So If you just look at
the raw numbers of sacks allowed and quarterback kids, it
doesn't look great. Then when you consider how often they
threw it, you realize that the offensive line did a
reasonably good job.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You know, listen, Zach put together the most prolific, uh,
the most prolific offense in franchise history. So I think,
you know, I think he's got to you know, I
think he's on the right.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
You know, I think he's you know, whatever he's doing
is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So I think here, I think that's why I think
I tip my hat to him when he goes with
a guy like Peters, who I think, you know, Peters
has had an unconventional rise in the game. But I
think Zach recognizes his pedigree and the things, the strength
he's in Cleveland he wants to bring here, which I
think is great because the Cleveland offensive line when Callahan
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and Scott were there.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Gave the Bengals fits best in the league. Yeah, that's right,
no question.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
All right.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
There are three big contract issues that every Bengals fan
is talking about and thinking about. Jamar and Chase t
Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. Do any of those deals get
done before the combine. Do you think that's.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
What people are saying, that that is a you know,
I've heard that bandied about that the timeline is a
little bit accelerated. You know, usually we sealed, we see
deals like that in training camp, you know, later in
the calendar. But because they do have some, you know,
you got to you know, since they do it, two
of the two great receivers are both up at the
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same time. Do they have to get that resolved? I
mean that's interesting. You know, do you get Chase done?
Do you franchise Tea? I mean, these are all things
you hear about. I would say, I don't know it
has to get done before the combine, but I think
there'll be a glory of activity we probably haven't seen.
I think I think the date we're looking for is
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before free agency, right, what's that open match the IDEs
of match match fifteen. I think that's probably maybe the
date to keep an eye on where probably they'll be.
You know, there might be a little bit more activity
than usual with with with with with guys on their roster.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
As you've watched playoff games, hasn't added to your belief
that the Bengals would have had a chance for a
long postseason run had they made it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean, I mean just the way, just the
way Joe is playing.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I mean, I I think.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You know, you know, you particularly look at the at
the teams that have won. You know, this is the
Buffalo team that they'd be pretty handily on a Monday
night just a year ago, you know, and I don't
think they're as good. I don't think their defense is
as good. Don't think Buffalo's defense is as good as
the one that Burrow picked.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
A pat that night. And you know that was a
good Buffalo defense in Cincinnati in twenty twenty three. So
I just look at that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I think they would have you know, I think they
could have had their way in Buffalo, you know, certainly,
I think, uh, you know, I mean another shot at Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I mean, geez, they I mean, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Mean, it just makes you think how closely you know,
they had Kansas City beat, and Kansas City really hasn't.
I thought Kansas City looked rusty for the first forty
five minutes. You know, if the Bengals had gotten them
in that in that game, if they had gone him
in a divisional you know, against the rusty Kansas City
team and them being so hot. Yeah, I just you know,
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I guess, I guess the more I watched, the sicker
I guess I get. I guess I can only imagine.
I can only imagine how the Bengals and the coaches feel,
you know. I mean, I think it was, uh, you know,
they're they're you know, they're clearly good enough.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
When Joe Burrow came out after the Dallas game and
expressed confidence that the Bengals could keep t Higgins, change
your opinion of the likelihood that that could happen.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
It's still a numbers game, Hordy, But I think, you know,
Borrow's got a lot to say in the organization, so
obviously that.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
That, uh, that made me listen, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
And I think that it's always been the hope of
the team to keep them both, you know, And I
think you know, they're they're trying, they're trying to make
it work, and I it's just not an easy it
is not an easy mathematical problem.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
And you know, I think they're gonna try.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I mean, I think I think they were gonna try
even before Joe said anything. But obviously, you know, when
Joe says something, people listen, and I, you know, I
think there's urgency. There's urgency to get both those deals done.
And I I think Joe. I think Joe sends the urgency.
I mean, and I think you know, I think it's
a two way street. I think everybody knows the urgency.
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I think Joe is just kind of expressing it. But
you know, they still have to figure out. You know,
they're gonna have to stop teams too. You know they're
gonna have to They're gonna have to stop teams too.
So I don't know, man, this is a classic. What's
the answer and how do you do it? I don't know, man,
you gotta be a I don't know if we had
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any I don't know if we had any double majors
at Syracuse of philosophy, Uh, philosophy and math.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, economics, advanced economics.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah yeah, and and and philosophy and and uh. But
I guess you know, yeah, I guess that's called sports
management nowadays. We didn't we didn't have sports management back
in our day.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Maybe that is a sports management class now.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
When t changed agents and aligned himself with Jamar's agent,
did you take that to be a hopeful sign.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think the whole. I
think the whole.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
You know, when Joe said what he did and t
changed agents, I mean, it just reaffirmed to me that
every but He's. Top thing to happen is both these
guys sticking together. I mean that that's the that's the hope.
And I think, uh, you know, can't you wish it
into reality? I mean that's the thing. I mean, it's
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it's just not a question of you know, if you're
looking at this thing down the road with a you know,
with a defense and special teams, how does it all fit?
And I just think it's uh, you know, I mean
another thing is you got to get the salary cap
numbers too, before anything really happens. I mean, you to
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really get a feel for this thing. What's the number
going to be? You know, And I I you know,
you don't typically know what the combine. You know, you
have to kind of you know, that's more of a
free agency question.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
So but yeah, I think you know, Te's he's terrific.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
You know, he wants to stay. You know, he played high,
he played through injuries. Everybody loves the guy. He wants
to be here, he said it many times, and the
Joe wants him back. But like I said, Kim, the Kim,
the numbers match Kim, the numbers match match the the wish.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Jamar's under contract, Trey's under contract t could be franchise
tagged partly to you know, extend the negotiating process and
try to get a long term deal done. But there
are other guys on this team that we are very
fond of that are truly free agents right now. Mike Hilton,
Mike KASICKI, BJ Hill, Team Davis Gaither. Any strong feeling
(35:34):
about any of those guys and trying to retain them, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I think, I think, I think, I think Cody Ford,
I think I think is another guy you gotta consider,
you know, because as as one coach told me, what
would have happened if we didn't have Cody Ford this year?
I mean, the guys started at four different spots, and
he really stepped up in the summer when they you know,
when they needed him the most. So, yeah, Cody Ford's
a guy. Uh Gistecki, I think is a I mean
(36:02):
what better? I mean, just he walked in here and
has sixty two catches and he looked like I mean,
he looked like he'd been playing.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
With Borrow for six years, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I mean, those are two guys that off the top
of my head, Off the top of the head, you know,
Davis Gather has been a key guy. He was a
key guy from Scrimmage when they lost Logan Wilson. He
would seem to be a guy you have to keep,
you know, particularly you know, as a core special teams guy.
I mean Hilton, I mean, you know, they they weren't
(36:31):
playing him on third down. Where does that? Where does
that change? You know, you're gonna have a change of
defensive coordinator. So obviously he would have a say on
the Mike Hiltons of the world. But I mean, you know,
if Mike Hilton doesn't take another snap as a Bengal
well in a legacy, he would leave. So you really,
you know, it's it's tough to see a guy like
(36:51):
that walk out of walk out of the building.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I think that's a question for the next DC.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
But you know, I thought the one thing, and Hilton
was big reason that I thought the Young Corners. I
thought the Young Corners really progressed, you know, And I
thought a reason was Mike was was Mike's leadership in
that in that room. But really, if you're looking for
something to hang your hat on for this defense, and
that's a that's starting to be a deep, you know,
(37:17):
a deep room. Cam Taylor Brick played better. I've talked
to some people think Dax Hill. You know, Dax Hills
is one of the top defensive players on this team.
You know, it was the best corner before he got hurt,
and when DJ Turner got hurt, he was probably playing
their best corner. So Josh Newton played well as a rookie,
So you know, where does Mike fit into that?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Right?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You know that's a I think that's all stuff that
the next DC has to work out.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
What's next in the Hall of Fame process.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
We've been kind of sworn to secrecy on this one,
so I can't even really set all all. I can
really tell you Willie's in the final fifteen. So at
some point there has to be a there has to
be a meeting, there has to be a I have
to make a presentation, there has to be a vote,
(38:09):
and then the thing will be announced on February sixth,
on the night of NFL Awards. But Willie's one of
the fifteen, you know, god willing, he's uh, he's got
a shot to be on the same stage that maybe
maybe Joe Burrow gets named Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I wish you would be named MVP, but he's our MVP.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
But you know, I would think Comeback Player of the
Year would be nice to see a couple of.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Bengals up there on the stage joining Burrow on.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know, that's a glodsy night, that's a glitsy night
in the NFL, that awards night. But that's kind of
where we are when in a Hall of Fame progress.
We're a little bit of purgatory right now.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well, I know you're doing everything in your power to
make Willie's case. You helped him get to this point
on a few straight occasions now, so hopefully this is
the year that we see him up on that stage.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Well, you're kind to say that forty. I think he's
got a powerful argument. We all know the argument. You know,
hasn't been a modern era right tackle elected since Matthew
Slater in two thousand and one, since since Jackie Slater
in two thousand and one, And we may be voting
on Matthew Slater here pretty soon. So that tells you
(39:24):
it's been a long time for a right tackle. So
but you know, like Willie says himself, everybody on.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That list is worthy to be in the hall.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
You know, it's really it's really just the stunning, you know,
when you're when you're looking at a you know, so
many great players are really such a smart guy, you know,
I think he knows, he knows how hard it is.
I think he also knows it's just an honor to
be I mean, forty years in a row, he's been
one of the fifteen.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
That's quite an honor, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
All right, butch appreciate your time as always, great stuff.
Looking forward to seeing you soon.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Ord, You're the best. Keep resting that voice that's.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
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