Big Blue Kickoff Live 4/17 | LSU and Louisville prospects

John Schmeelk and Paul Dottino chat with Matt Moscona and Jody Demling, who cover LSU and Louisville, about the prospects at their respective schools. The guys also take calls from fans.

:00 - LSU Prospects

17:00 - Calls

28:00 - Tyler Shough

37:20 - Other Louisville prospects

49:00 - Quarterback chat

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Hello, everybody, Happy Thursday. Welcome to our final live Big
Blue Kickoff of the week, brought to you by Cadillact,
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Schmelke is Paul Tatino. Tomorrow we're gonna have a recorded show.
We already we just did the interviews with Kentley Platt
and Matt Waldman. They'll go together for It's kind of
a super size edition of Big Blue Kickoff Lives indeed,

(00:47):
so you have plenty to listen to over the weekend.
Kentley Platt does the RAS scores. Matt Waldman has his
just Magnum Opus, you know, RSP Rookie scouting portfolio, which
is great. He is so much detail on these guys
and he gets a lot of this stuff right that
a lot of people don't see so he's always very valuable.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
To talk to.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I gotta make sure I gotta put him more often.
He does a really nice job and he's just an
awesome dude. So that's coming up on tomorrow's show. I
also just recorded Chris Sims. That'll be Friday's Giants Huddle podcast,
which is going up. He gave me a lot of time.
He was very generous with this time. So this is
interview four for me today. I apologize if the if
the pipes are struggling a little bit, and then I'm
doing theoretically Todd mcshae after this show today.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
That'll be going up next week on the Jihntsuttle podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
So a lot coming your way from the Hackensack and
Martin Health podcast studio. Keep getting Better, John Schmelt, Paul Datino,
and we're gonna talk to reporters covering a couple of
schools today. We're gonna do LSU and Louisville. These are
our final Prospect University interviews of guys covering the teams
that we're doing this year.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
So we're gonna lead off with LSU.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Matt Muscona is a host on ESPN one oh four
five and Baton Rouge, Matt, you got John and Paul
here and his brother for the New Jerk. He's not there, Pierson.
I thought I saw him up.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
I'm sorry about that. My bad. I saw the light on.
I thought he was on the line. That's my fault. Well,
we'll get to him in just a second here. But
we're under a week now into the draft, which is great.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
And we're gonna try to squeeze in your calls too,
by the way, between these two interviews, so we'll try
to get them in. And now we're gonna go to
Matt who was there again. He's at ESPN one oh
four five and Baton Rouge covers LSU. Matt, you got
John and Paul up here in these brother for New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
How's it going, man, gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
Great to be with you. Fantastic day. Sonny in eighty
three and Baton Rouge, how about if they're eighty three?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know, so you might be happy to hit sixty three.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
On Saturday's supposed to rain, but it might get to
eighty one based on the weather a port, so that
is that is not bad, all right? So Matt, let's
talk LSU. This is not last year's LSU class with
two guys that are going in the top six. But
you still have some very good players. And I want
to start with your offensive tackles. Campbell and Jones, two

(03:00):
very different type of players. Tell me about those two
guys and what stands out to you about them.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
So both guys have started since they were true freshmen.
Will Campbell at left tackle, Emery Jones at right tackle.
Both the Louisiana guys that were very, very highly recruited prospects.
Will is I know there's been a lot of conversation
about his arm length throughout the pre draft process. I
actually was at an event with Will on Tuesday and

(03:28):
I asked him about it, and he said he has
not had a single team bring that up to him,
really free draft visits. He says. When they bring it up,
it's more they ask him what does he think about
all the attention around it. I can tell you one
of the things that he told me is that most
teams see him as a left tackle. He's had a

(03:48):
couple tell him that they would like him at guard initially,
but the way he told me, he's like, well, they
have Hall of Fame tackle, so as soon as their
Hall of Fame tackle he was retires, he'd move out.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
That sounds like this a Francisco forty nine ers, Matt.
I'm not gonna put a name on a team, but
that's what that sounds.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Like to me.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
He just got back from a West Coast visit and uh,
he would name wouldn't name the team, but I think
we can all make certain end friendss there. Look, I
think Will Will's a left tackle and in three years
he allowed five sacks. He was He's a freak show.
Emory Jones, I think is probably one of the more
underrated prospects. He Emory is started at right tackle. I

(04:26):
think most NFL teams see him as a guard. He's
a big body dude that has a mean streak, road greater.
You're You're pretty prototypical NFL interior alignment. He was on
a lot of Mott drafts guys before this season as
maybe a mid late first rounder. He did suffle at
some of an ankle injury in September that I think
really limited him this year that we never really talked

(04:48):
to full extent of. But Emory's gonna be a guy
that's a day one plug and play starter, and if
he stays healthy will be a long time. He was
a real good high school basketball player, so great feet,
great athleticism, but you can put him on the interior,
play the mean streak. Both those guys are really good.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I'm a Miles Fraser guy. To be honest with you, Matt,
I'm thinking of myself that in the mid rounds there,
you're gonna get yourself a big guy who's got power.
He's got the frame. I know he's a little rough
around the edges. You're gonna need to polish up his
technique a little bit. I get that, but he has
that angry, nasty kind of demeanor that I love my

(05:25):
offensive lineman to have.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
Yeah, Miles is a guy that, because of his versatility,
is going to play in the NFL for a long time.
I don't know that you'll ever see him as a
Pro Bowl type player. But he came to LSU after
he was a freshman All America at FIU, came to
baton rouge and because LSU was set a tackle, Fraser
ended up playing right guard. Well Jones and Campbell, the

(05:50):
two tackles didn't play in the bowl game, so Fraser
kicked out and played right tackle in the ballgame. And
was fantastic. He is a much better pass blocker than
he is a run blocker. At this point, I don't
know if if you'll pay attention to pro football focused numbers,
but he was zellous Who's best pass blocking offensive lineman.
The run blocking is where you might have a little

(06:11):
bit of a of a learning curve there, But again,
because of the versatility on a fifty three man roster
where you might need someone who can kick in and
play guard or kick out and play tackle, his ability
to play four spots on the offensive line is going
to allow him to stick around the league for a
long time.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I want to stick in the trenches. Go to the
defensive side of the ball. You have two guys that
I find really really interesting. You have Savian Jones and
Brayden Swinson, who I think are both different players, but
I think both really good players. What jumped out to
me about Savion Jones at the senior ball is that
when he was at edge, you know, he didn't do
a ton. Then all of a sudden they move him
into the three technique in the game and no one

(06:48):
can block the guy, and he was an absolute beast.
And then Brayden Swinson on the edge when when when
you watch his tape, I think he's just he gives
you good size, he gives you good length, and he's
just going to be a really solid guy against the
run and rushing the pass are outside.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Yeah, you're right, they're very different. Swinson transferred in from Oregon,
so he spent two seasons at LSU. He was a
rotational guy in twenty twenty three and then this year
became their best pass rusher. He's your prototypical, long, fast, athletic,
bend the edge pass rusher. And we just know in
the NFL quarterbacks, people who protect the quarterbacks, people who

(07:25):
affect the quarterbacks are the premium position. So that's Brayden Savion.
You're right, his way is a very interesting prospect. He's
more Cam Jordan think, you know, the two hundred and
eighty five pound and the big body guy that isn't
necessarily going to be fast off the edge. But one
thing LSU did a ton with their defensive coordinator Blake Baker.

(07:45):
He's big on havoc rate, so he would do that
a lot where he would take Jones, kick him inside
to the three technique and just have pass rushers all
along the line of scrimmage, and that's where Savion made
a lot of Hey, he is a very very good
run stuff defensive end, an interesting prospect that's going to
have to fit the mold of a defense that wants

(08:07):
a two hundred and eighty five pounds end. But he's
another Louisiana kid and a guy you know we've been
covering since his days at Saint James, just down the
road from Baton Rouge. But he's a guy that can stick.
But it's got to be in the right defense.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, for sure. I like his length and his motor.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I think those are two very very positive attributes for
him that will allow him to make plays in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I want to go to the tight end.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Because we all know about Jason Taylor and everything that
he did in the National Football League, and his son
Mason is down there as a three year starter playing
a position which you know, obviously the other side of
the ball, that's not where his dad played. But this
is a guy who I get the opinion that some
people are really really high on and other people just think, okay,

(08:50):
he's pretty good.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
He leaves LSU as the greatest pass catching tight end
in program history. He set every record. And the fascinating
thing about Mason Taylor is when he signed, he was
a three star. He was not very highly regarded, and
he weighed about two hundred and twenty pounds. He built
himself into an NFL prospect. And I mean, look, he's

(09:13):
you mentioned Jason Taylor. I mean he's obviously got the pedigree.
I mean, his dad's a Hall of Famer. But Mason's
about six five, two fifty five and throughout his three
years and he was a starter as a freshman as well,
so he has been a three year starter. He has
built his body, his blocking ability, and made himself a
complete tight end. I love Mason Taylor like It does
not surprise me at all that you're starting to see

(09:34):
some conversation about the possibility of a late first round
I get why he's not Tyler Warren or Loveland. I
understand why those guys are at the top of this
tight end class. What I'm telling you is, if Mason
Taylor ends up becoming a Day two pick, he's going
to play day one. He's got a very high football

(09:56):
IQ makes sense. With his family, he came without a
single ounce of entitlement to LSU worked hard, did everything,
and as a pass catcher, he's a game changer at
that position because he's a mismatch. Like I'm selfishly hoping
the New Orleans Saints draft him with the fortieth pick,
and I hope he's on the board and they can
take him because they desperately need a guy like Mason Taylor.

(10:18):
But that is a guy that was a pleasure to
cover and watch play for three years. He's his ascension
is no surprise whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
You know, it's funny Matt watching him. It took me
a little while of warm up because I didn't find
that one tree where it blows me away. But then
if he keep watching him, You're like, hold on a second.
He's not below average, let alone bad at anything. He's
a good route runner, he's got good hands, he's a
good blocker. He's good at everything. And then I'm buddies

(10:47):
with with Brian Broades, So I'm sure you know he's
a former LSU player. Now he's a former NFL scout
covers the Cowboys. He tells me that when they needed
a big catch, he was their clutch guy.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
He was a guy that would always target in those
biggest sits situations and the biggest parts of games because
they trusted him to catch it and to be in
the right place at the right time.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
One hundred go back to his freshman year, true freshman,
the biggest game of the year, Alabama's in Tiger Stadium,
ls who's playing in overtime? The first play LSU decided
to go for. LSU scored, decided to go for two
for the win, and they ran a little route, little
out route to Mason Taylor designed Jayden Daniels, you know,
running right Mason Taylor front right pylon. One of the

(11:30):
most iconic plays in LSU football history. Now, and that
was him as a true freshman. Like guys like since
the day he stepped foot on campus, he has been
an impact guy and he's only gotten better.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Zia, Alexander is a puzzler for me. Two years on
the outside, was it South Least Louisiana for three years
before he got to the Tigers. I wrote down the
measurables at six and a four to five six of
the forty. I said that I liked his aggressiveness, he
wraps up well, he's got ball skills, But then I
also questioned his ability to shadow guys with quicks and

(12:04):
with flat out speed. I'm not sure what I think
of him. Is he a guy who might project better
to be at a safety.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
I don't know that he's physical enough to play safety.
If you're looking for a coverage safety, maybe THI is
an interesting one. So he was a lower level All
American he played. He was an FCS All American at
Southeastern Louisiana, transferred to LSU and was LSU's best cornerback
the last two years. But he tore his ACL in
November of twenty twenty three, so this year it really

(12:36):
wasn't until about October that he was back to one
hundred percent. THI just isn't going to blow you away
with the measurables. But this cop may make sense because
he played. If you guys be familiar with with jar
Pernard Converse, who plays for the Jets, they're similar. You

(12:56):
look at the body, the big body, the long arms,
like which you want in a modern NFL cornerback. He
checks all those boxes. But the straight line speed, the
ability to flip your hips. It worked in the college
level to a certain degree. I really wonder if on
a day in, day out, your Sunday and week and

(13:16):
week out in the NFL. If it's going to work
there on the outside, it's a fascinating probably because he's
played a ton of football and he was LSU's best cornerback,
but that wasn't saying much with the way LSU's defense
played the past couple of years.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Matt, is there anyone that you think we're sleeping on
that you think people should be paying more attention to
coming out of LSU this year than they are.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
We hit the offensive lineman. If there was, I could
probably give you Greg Penn.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
He was a.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Linebacker who wore the number eighteen jersey. Great leader. He's
a thumper, you know, he's sort of a bit of
a throwback, you're bigger, you know, off ball linebacker. He'd
be an interesting one to watch in the right defense.
And he's a team guy that's that's going to step
right in and do all the all the things that
you worry about sometimes when guys hear their names called, like,
you know, will money and fame and opportunity change them

(14:10):
work ethic, Like you'd never worry about that with Greg.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
But you know, for the.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
Most part, I think the the highlights of this draft
for LSU. We're going to be those two offensive tackles
we started with. I'm going to be interesting to see
what happens with the defensive ends. But Mason Taylor, for me,
is really the guy in this draft that if the
right team falls in love with him, he's going to
go high and he's going to make somebody very happy.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Can I get one more on you about next year?

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, good, yeah, good question, John.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I like the news, Smier.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I've talked to some scouts already who tell me they
think he is the potential number one pick in next
year's draft. I think that's true, all right, So I
need to know from you what does he still have
to do to solidify that spot, what's still missing in
his game that he's going to want to polish up
this fall.

Speaker 8 (14:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
If whenever people ask about Garrett, I always say, if
you were to go to Central Casting and build a quarterback,
you would be Garrett. He's got good size, he can
make all the throws. He's the son of a coach,
high football IQ, all that stuff. It's just check check check,
great personality, great leader, everything right, puts his head down,
goes to work at whatever cliche. He checks every box.
The single biggest thing with Garrett is he has the

(15:22):
It's like a far of comparison. He's got the old
gunslinger mentality and sometimes you're like, why did you throw
that ball? And if he can purge that out of
his game while maintaining his aggressiveness, then he is. He
is there. There is no ceiling because he can do
all the other things. But if you guys have time,

(15:44):
I'll give you two very quick examples.

Speaker 9 (15:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Please.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
So last year Lshu's playing Old Miss. They have it's
in the fourth quarter. It's fourth and ten, Like, this
is the fourth and seven, this is the ball game.
If you don't convert here, the game is over. He
threw a ball down the seam, thirty yards down the
field into the end zone in double coverage. He got
it over the corner under the safety split it touchdown.

(16:07):
We've got overtime because and he just had the stones
to make that throw and he could execute it. Now,
the flip side of it is they're playing Texas A
and M and ls who's dominating the game. They're up
to two scores. In the third quarter. A and M
has done nothing. It's third down and three. Nuss Meyers
roll into his left and instead of either putting his

(16:30):
head down and running for the first down or just
running out of bounds and throwing the ball away. Remember
ls who's up ten, he throws it back across his middle,
off his body to the middle of the field. It's picked.
Two plays later, A and MS in the end zone.
Ls Wu ends up losing the game. He turns it
over three times in the second half like that's there
as well. So if he can ever get to a
point where he purges those devastating plays out of the

(16:53):
arsenal but being able to maintain the aggressiveness that makes
him awesome, He's there is no ceiling on him, and
there's teams that are gonna love him, but he's got
to prove he can eliminate the bad place.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Matt, really appreciate the time, my friend. Enjoy the rest
of the draft process and we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Thanks, Matt.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Okay, guys, my pleasure.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Matt Moscana. He's hosted Matt Moscona. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
He's a host of one oh four or five and
Baton Rouge covers the LSU Tigers. He was excellent and
good question on NUS Meyer. That was really good thinking.

Speaker 9 (17:22):
Paul.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Well, you know, in fact, I'm annoyed we should ask that.
When you guys did pet state, did you ask him
about hour?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
We did not? He ran out of time.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
No, No, I know what happens. I mean, no, good thought.
We had a lot of extra time on this one. Yeah,
I wanted to I definitely wanted to go there. You
know the thing that's interesting to me and you guys
tomorrow when you listen to Big Blue Kickoff taped, how.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
About that BBK t Yes, as it goes.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I want you to very carefully think about Taylor because
that topic came up in conversation with Matt Woldman, who
had some very unique observations about him and how he
fits into the tight end picture. So I just give
you that as a little hook for tomorrow's program.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, but I think when you look at LSU, you
might not have the flashy weapons like you had last
year with the Jayden Daniels and the Brian Thomas juniors
and the Leak neighbors. But Will Campbell is going to
be a walk in left tackle for a team. You know,
maybe guard with the arm length, but I think with
his movement skills and demeanor. He can play tackle. Emery
Jones is a guy that was at right tackle at LSU,
but I think could move inside. He's got the type

(18:29):
of size and physicality. And then Miles Frasier, a guy
that I think you can figure out a way to
play a guard fairly earlier in his career. And these
are guys in the trenches. And on the other side
you have Braden Swinson Saveon Jones, guys that can play
up front that I think really highlights what this LSU
class is all about this year is getting guys inside
in the trenches on both sides throwing. As you mentioned,

(18:52):
Mason Taylor, a tight end ball guy that plays at
the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Some real good physical players come out of LSU this year. Hey,
the Tigers have been a good program for a long time.
This is not exactly I know, it's like a down year.
Oh poor LSU.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, they're only going to have five guys in the
first two rounds, you know, exactly.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
No, really good?

Speaker 4 (19:12):
All right, let's squeeze in a call here before we
get to our Louisville guest at the top of the
hour at one o'clock and go to Hugo in New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Hugo, what's going on? Pal?

Speaker 8 (19:21):
Hey, good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
What's going on?

Speaker 7 (19:24):
Well?

Speaker 8 (19:24):
John? Here, we are a week out from the draft,
and I guess I'm hoping for a couple of things
just to start day one in the beginning of day two,
which is, I'm hoping for Abdual Carter in the first round,
and I'm hoping that after a run on defensive lineman,
and I'm pretty sure there will be a run someone's

(19:45):
sitting there at the top of the second round that
is worthy of the thirty fourth old role pick. And
the reason why I'm so focused on the defensive line
group is I'll give you four strategic reasons. One, as
a general matter, I think that a dominant defensive line
makes the secondary perform better.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Yeah, sure, I agree.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
That NFL less likely that it goes in the other direction.
Number Two, it's the kind of position where just the
physical nature of it requires a rotation of players and
you've got to throw numbers in quality.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Agree with that, Yep, we're worthy on that.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
The third thing is I'm kind of thinking of the Giants'
assets and Dexter Lawrence is one of the best players
and here he is, He's going into his seventh year.
You know, he's a big man, doing a lot of
physical things, taken on double teams and that sort of thing.
And what I worry about is optimizing the remainder of

(20:47):
his career. And the tendency if you don't have that
quality depth is to overplay him. And you know, I
think at this stage playing him eighty or ninety percent
of the snaps is probably not the justice to that
player and you get top promise. And I would say
the fourth thing is that if you look at the

(21:07):
relative investment that Joe Shanes made specifically through the draft
and what and again, I'm not talking two hundred and
fifty pound age players. I'm more talking guys with their
hands in the dirt. Right, He's more He's more invested
in the secondary than that poison. So it's almost like
we we had this whole We've had some players come through,
you know, like Lear Williams was here and Asha Robinson,

(21:28):
but where we stand today, the level of investment is
what DJ Davidson and h who was the guy we
took in the seventh Yeah, Jordan O'Reilly, which are you know, borderline?
Let's say practice squad players. So and I think you
raised the point John that you know you may do

(21:49):
some cluster drafting in this draft at a position. In
that position might be defensive line. I would be all
in favor of that. It's a little riskier. Remember we
had the call.

Speaker 10 (22:00):
And I said, I would like that.

Speaker 8 (22:02):
Be more quality invested in free agency into that decision,
just to just to hedge because you never know what
the draft, what the draft brings. Okay, so those are
my thoughts, and I know you guys have a busy schedule.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
I appreciate that he goes, thank you very much for
the call. Look, defensive tackle. If they don't walk away
from day two of this draft or they I want
to I understand if you do not. If they do
not walk away from day two of this draft with
a defensive tackle, I'd be.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Very surprised.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
I don't want to say shocked their floord because it's
a draft and you should never be shocked or Florida
about anything. But they have three picks on day two,
they have thirty four, they have sixty five, and they
have ninety nine. Yes, if they do not walk away
from this draft with a defensive tackle at one of
those three spots, I would be surprised.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I'll give you another word.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I'd be very disappointed, Okay, extremely disappointed.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
You know, if you walk away though, with a really
good offensive lineman, a really good quarterback, and then like
a really good running back or tight end.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
I get it, but I would Yeah. See again. The
thing is, you know why if you pick the DT
at one O five, that's right near in ninety nine.
They're about to say. So if you pick the DT
at one O five, I can live with that. It's
a little late for me, but I can live with it.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah. But here's the problem.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
You got to go home and sleep after the third
round and wait for one five fourth round. Well, I
will definitely not sleep if they don't get a DT by.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Then, and that'll be the third pick of the fourth round,
not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
On Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
The point that I agree with, You can Giggy join
us by the way that Saturday afternoon, right before the
pick and watch Paul suffer.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
It'll be fun. I'll like it, Hugo.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
The point I think that you were trying to make
in more simplified terms is that when they addressed the
defensive line over the last few years, they've gotten guys
who at best were going to be functional players there.
They got prospects that never really developed into upside plus players,
and they signed veterans who are more hold to fourth
guys than anything else, you know.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
And now there wasn't another big investment at that position,
no correct.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
And they felt like they needed to make the investment
in the secondary. Oh, there were so many holes in
other places they had to So they spent big money
on the two guys there. They went for Goldstin, who
is a obviously versatile piece along the line, but he's
not typically your defensive tackle that we're talking about. And
so you look at this draft and you say, there

(24:44):
are a lot of plus prospects at the position, which
if any of these guys get taken by the Giants
and they work out and become what people think they
can be, they'll be better than any of these other
fellas who they have rolled in there over the last
several years.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
To be just functional.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Hold the four guys, That's that's why you have to do.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Let's squeeze an Aiden in Boston before we get to
our next guest.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Aiden. What's going on, man?

Speaker 10 (25:15):
Hey, how's it going? I just so I was, I
know you guys are very well on Jalen Milroe and like,
how about him as a pastor, But what I'm thinking
is Brian Dable. It's been really been a I mean,
he's a really good runner. I mean, like Lamar Jackson,
Like I mean, he was a good pastor at Louisville,

(25:36):
but when he came to the NFL, he didn't really
have any weapons. And I'm thinking because like I mean,
he would obviously be a developmental guy, and I want
to see what you guys think about like having him
back there and Brian Dabele could hopefully shape him up,
like can fix his passing. And I mean even if

(25:57):
it takes a little bit of time. I mean, he
went start right away and if you're having a good,
really good run threat, I mean, like I feel like
he just gotta keep hitting until you get that quarterback.
And I know your thoughts, So I'll take you off line.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
No, thank you, And I appreciate the call.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
As I massage my final rankings and I'll be doing
that over the weekend more likely you know, next Tuesday
and Wednesday, and then we'll be on Thursday after an
on Big Booky Golf live, I'll kind of let you
know where I landed on this stuff, which is fun.
I love the fact that I don't publish these things,
so I can keep changing them until the very end
and just give it to people on the air. It
allows me some flexibility to move guys around. And I've

(26:39):
joked that I've read or bluepilled myself, whatever the expression is.
I think it's bluepilled about Shook's age and injury history,
and I've just started to look through it. Well, you know,
like you have these movies where they like either wipe
a guy's memory, like Jason Bourne, but then like the
memories start coming back into your head and like you stop, Yeah, sure, okay,

(26:59):
and then you're like, and I'm starting to get like
the shivers when i start thinking about the fact that
Shook a little bit older and he's had all the injuries.

Speaker 7 (27:09):
And.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
I'm starting to lean where if I had the choice
between Dart Shook and Milroe at thirty four, I think
I would pick Milroe because you have time to develop him.
You can use him as a weapon and a piece
on offense until he develops as a passer.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
And he's a great kid.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
And I want to bet on the kid there at
thirty four, which is why I think right.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Now, I think I would lean towards milk.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's what you would do if you were in the chair,
or what you think the Giants will do.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Remember, that's two different questions.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
I think both.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Okay, I could see the Giants potentially doing that because
both of the legs and the cannon of an arm.
I think Dabile would find some ability to do stuff
with that. And I'm sure Saban, especially as a gadget quarterback.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
And I'm sure Saban just gushed about him to so
you could.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
See that happening. Would I make that pick?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
The trades don't match for me? You know, I'm a
pocket passer guy. The trades just don't match.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
No, I'm with you, all right. Now, let's go to
our next guest.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
He's gonna talk about the other quarterback that we have
in that equation to thirty four. He's from the Louisville
Radio Network sideline reporter Jody Demmling.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Jody, how are you welcome?

Speaker 7 (28:21):
I'm great, I'm great, thanks for having me, and yeah,
I mean it's kind of crazy. This time last year
we were talking here in Louisville about you know, is
Tyler Shuck the right guy for the Louisville offense because
he had so many injury concerns And now here we
are a year later, I mean almost to a day
from the year ago, from our spring game here when
he was kind of like he was okay but not great,

(28:43):
and now here we are talking about, you know, him
potentially going you know, very high in the draft. It's
just been kind of quite a year for Tyler, by
the way.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
All right, So how did he do it?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Jody?

Speaker 4 (28:54):
You know, let's get right to it, because I'll be
honest with you, just from watching the tape and if
you just block out all the other stuff, there's an
argument that he's the second best quarterback in this class
to me after cam Ward. So how was he able
to become the guy you're talking about at this time
last year in the spring game. So putting together the
type of season he did on tape for Louisville, tell
us what Tyler Schuke was all about for you guys

(29:15):
this year.

Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah, I think it's a if you have to look
big picture to see where he got to today, because
I mean, if you look back when he played games
at Oregon in Texas Tech. He was really good at times,
like really good and the tape doesn't lie. But there
was always the injury concern with him. There was always

(29:36):
just the little mistakes that he made when he was
at Oregon to an interception here or you know, a
kind of a rush to throw there. Texas Tech kind
of the same thing. There were injuries at both of them.
I mean, he lost three seasons because of injuries. And
I'll never forget when he when he said he was
coming to Louisville and he was the first portal guy
that they got. Jeff brom and Brian Brahm, are you

(29:59):
know Jeff brom is Is played seven years in the
league as a backup. He was a great quarterback and
you know in his day, his brother, Brian Brohm is
the offensive coordinator in the quarterback coach at Louisville. He
played for them. We've got drafted in the second round
by the Packers, so they've got they've got that history
there of those guys in the NFL, and they've done

(30:20):
a good job with getting quarterbacks over the time. I mean,
a lot of people call Jeff Broum the quarterback Whisperer
because he's had so much success with them, so with Tyler.
When they got him, Tyler was telling people that, Hey,
I'm betting on myself for a year. I feel like
I'm very close to getting over the hump of becoming

(30:43):
from a good quarterback to a great quarterback. And I
think being healthy, being able to play a full year,
and under Jeff Bram's tutelage and Brian Bram's tutelage of
a little more NFL stuff, of just taking it to
the next level with different things, I think he just
became that guy. I read a quote from somebody and

(31:04):
I can't remember where I saw it this week, and
there's so many things about Tyler, but it was the
perfect It was the perfect thing to sum up Tyler.

Speaker 11 (31:12):
Shut He's not.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
He's not. He doesn't have a great trait. If you
look across the board, he doesn't have one of those.
It's not Lamar Jackson where he can do different things
like we saw here. But he is very, very very
efficient in everything that he does. And honestly, I don't
think people really realize he's a better runner than what Louisville.

(31:36):
Louisville did not run him last year because they didn't
want him to get hurt. They had a great running
game the quarterback to run, so that he's a lot
better at that.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
All right, Jordy, I'm gonna ask you to speculate on
something for me, because one of the real blemishes on
his resume, if you will, is that there are times
when he faces pressure he just looks like he's not
sure what it is that he's doing.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
And honestly looks like he doesn't want to get his
collar bone broken again. Right, that's what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
He looks timid, he looks very unassertive, if I can
create a word, and quite frankly, it almost looks like
he panics. Now here's the problem, right, the guy's been
seven years at the NCAA level but played so few
snaps because of all the injuries and everything that's happened.

(32:28):
He's transferred twice.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
So my question to you is this.

Speaker 12 (32:32):
Is the lack of snaps at the big time division
one level part of the reason why he may look
so inhibited in those situations, or is it something that's
inherently going to be a problem with him that he's
not going to be able to overcome.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
No, I think it's totally I think it's a combination
of the lack of snaps and a combination of what
we what I just said a minute ago, I think
that they talk. Everybody talks so much about the injuries
going into last year, and he kind of said this
during the middle of the year a little bit. He
didn't really say it in word for word, but it

(33:11):
kind of got to him mentally. I believe everybody. I mean,
that's all people wanted to talk about, is that, you know.
I mean last year he was at the Kentucky Derby
and he did like a ceremony there and all tho
the questions like are you The first thing is are
you going to stay healthy this year? You know? And
he kind of laughed it off and all that, But
over time, when you hear it over and over again,
it's got to get into your mind.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
But Jony is that tattooed into his head?

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Now?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Is he going to take that into the NFL?

Speaker 7 (33:36):
Yeah? I don't. I don't think it will. But I
think that's the very that's that's the one knock. I mean,
that's the one thing that I think if you're an
NFL team, that's the one thing that you've got to
look at that that is there. I mean, that's the
that's the that's the only thing. I mean, he's professional
in everything.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
That he does.

Speaker 7 (33:54):
But yeah, I just think that the injury thing has
been so big and so prevalent in his uh, in
everything that he's done.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
Now, with that set, he didn't get injured last year.
He did take some big hits, especially towards the middle
the the middle part of the end of the beginning
of the end of the season, there was a run
of about three games where he really got he really
he got hit a couple of times and and and
you know, knock on wood, everything was fine, and and
he finished out the year and he finished it out strong.

(34:25):
But uh, but yeah, I mean I see that that's
the one thing. I just think there's so many other
good traits and it'd be interesting to see how high
he does go because I think it, like you said earlier,
if you look at it on paper, if you look
at it on paper, and you look at it on film,
you can you can say you can make a case

(34:45):
for him two three, four. You know, as far as
the quarterbacks are concerned, it's just gonna be is that
is that one team gonna fallut you know, going to
fall for him. I think they. I think somebody is
definitely going to take a chance pretty high. But you're right,
there is there is that question mark.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
And then my final one on Shook. You know, we
can watch the tay if you've talked about him as
a player. I had a chance to chat with him
at the Senior Bowl and just watching him interact with people.
You know, some guys just look and feel like a quarterback,
and I think Jilen Milroe goes in that conversation as well,
who I think has that same type of feel to him,
but just the maturity. He just feels like a guy
that will walk into a room. All right, this guy

(35:23):
is a quarterback. We feel like he can lead the team.
He has a type of calm demeanor to him. And
did you know this ad at louisvo that he's someone
that can really inspire and lead a team with that
type of presence at the quarterback position, which is so important.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
Oh, there's no question about it. He I mean, look,
we've had we've had some really really good quarterbacks here
over the day.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I mean I go back to.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Covering Chris Redman, who's spent a long time in the
league as a backup in Teddy Bridgewater and Lamar Jackson,
obviously Brian Brohm. We've got some really really good ones here.
And I can tell you that as far as a
guy who did everything professionally, as far as when he
walked on campus, the first meeting he had, the first
time he met with the media, the first time he

(36:06):
was with his teammates, the first time he's on the field.
Everything he did was at a very very high professional level.
And and I really think that that that's what impressed
me maybe more than anything this year. You know, he's
a transfer coming in on a team with a lot
of older dudes, a lot of guys that had been

(36:28):
around for you know, more than just you know a
few months or even even a year or so. And uh,
and he was the he was one of the leaders
on the team and UH and he demands that that
that that respect and he gets that president. He has
that presence about him. Yeah, I think that's uh, that's
a big big deal to me as far as watching

(36:49):
the college guys when we see him here, and I
can tell you he is one of the best that
we've ever had. Uh. In a Louisville uniform as far
as being that kind of that that lead in that
quarterback he's got, he's got that git factor when that
is concerned.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
All right, Well, we'll see if if he does in
fact become the apple of the Giants. I think obviously
we know that the reports are the Giants are coming
out to work him out tomorrow, so you know he's
got to be somebody that at least interested in. Who
knows if they'll be able to get their hands on him.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
All right?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Aston Gollott edge rusher sixty three two sixty four three
thirty one and seven eight inch length on his arms
is a bit problematic, small hands under nine inches, which
all to me added up to when I saw problems shedding.

(37:44):
He doesn't have great speed, so that means if he
does get locked up on, he's going to have to
be able to find a way out of it, and
I think that's a little bit problematic for me.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
Yeah, I wonder with Ashton Jalatti if he's a guy
that at some point or another, you know, he's always
been the that edge rusher. They look, they played him
inside a lot like they there was there was there
was a I guess his his junior year where he
was in the middle of the defensive line more than
he was on the outside. He's just a strong At

(38:17):
the college level, he was just so strong and such
a miss missmatch for them. They were able to do
some things there. But I wonder in watching him in
his pro day, he's shed he's lost some weight, at
least since it looks like it, I guess better proportion
on his body is what is what they were saying,

(38:37):
you know what I mean, he's and and I wonder
at the next level if you don't try to do
something else with him, I don't think he's fast enough,
you know, maybe to to play at a an outside linebacker.
But I just I just wonder if there's something for
him because he's so good at getting to the quarterback.
He's so good u at being able to at at

(39:01):
the twitch. He's got that and and and he just
did such a good thing, such good things at the
collegiate level that I just wonder what kind of spot
somebody finds for him, because he's a dude that is
just a pure football player. You know, I watched him
in high school, and you know, in high school, he
was They put him all over the field and he

(39:21):
just did whatever he wanted, and he wrecked havoc with
with the with the other team all the time. I mean,
it was just one.

Speaker 11 (39:28):
Of those things.

Speaker 7 (39:29):
Now, he took the next level and took the next jump,
and it took him a little time to get going.
He was a guy that they had high hopes for
when he was a youngster. It took him a little
time to get going, and once he did, he became
one of the leading SAT guys in school history here
at Louisville. So I think he's got a spot somewhere.
But again, you're right. I mean, I think there's there's
limitations and there's some things that you don't like. I

(39:52):
just don't know where that spot is, you know when
you're when you're looking at it.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you about Roll because I
think he could be a three technique pass rusher. He
could be a handed the dirt for four to three
defensive end. I'm with you, and I think how a
team uses them will be interesting because he's not really
shaped like anyone that is out of those two positions.
He's a little too small for a defensive tackle. He's
not quite long enough to play defensive end. So was

(40:16):
he how high our crew was see because I'm just curious.
Usually when you have trouble finding the you know, if
coaches can't see that prototype at a certain spot, they
have trouble envisioning how they're going to use the player.
And I bet you that's what a lot of these
NFL teams are doing in their buildings right now.

Speaker 7 (40:31):
Yeah, oh, I I guarantee it. And and uh, you know,
from what I've heard on this end that he's had
in this and this plays into what you just said there.
From this end, from what I've heard, he's had a
lot of interest. But the interest is is is just
that it's interesting. I'm not sure who is real serious
about him. And I think that that's the That's why

(40:53):
I think a lot of people, you know, he looks,
he looks it you feel like you can do something
with him. It's just like, what what are you really
going to do with him? And it'll be very interesting.
He's a great kid. He's a super leader. Did a
lot of things in the community here as far as
some some community service stuff and projects that he did
kind of on his own, you know, and his mom

(41:17):
is really really into it with him. And uh, it'll
be interesting just to see what how he develops in
where they do put him, because, like I said, he's
another guy here that is just he's beloved by this
community here for what he did.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Quincy Wiley, former of formerly of Middle Tennessee winds up
going to Louisville. Interesting guy for me. I looked at
his measurables five' eleven one eight wrote down that he
reached things. Well, he's a big hitter. He's very physical,
but then again does it wrap up, doesn't have great length,

(41:54):
doesn't take great angeles on the ball. This is a
guy that puzzles me. I'm not sure or what his
conversion is gonna be. We talked sometimes about boom or
bus guys, right, we just don't know what side of
the coin they're gonna land on.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
He's one of those guys.

Speaker 7 (42:08):
For me, I think so here's I felt the same
way last year about Jarvis Brownlee when he left Louisville.
He was a kid who had transferred in here from
Florida State. And I saw good moments, but I saw
bad moments. I saw bad angles. I saw guys, uh,
you know, could go up over top of him and
just kind of push him away. And I saw different things.

(42:30):
Jarvis Brownie was drafted by the Titans and had a great,
great rookie year, and and and again he I see
a lot of this. There's a lot of similarity, uh,
you know, to Quincy. They're about the same pretty much,
about the same size, They've got a lot of the
same things. I think Quincy is probably a little bit

(42:53):
more football savvy as far as uh, you know, he
studies the game a little more maybe than than Jarvis,
and I think that's what is going to help Quincy
with some of these teams. I think if you get
Quincy in a room and you're looking at tape and
you're going over film, and you're doing different things, I
think Quincy's going to wow them in that aspect of

(43:14):
of of of of the whole draft process. I'm just wondering,
Like you said, there's different things out there. But I've
heard there's a lot of interest from them from this end.
I've heard there's a whole lot of interest for him. Uh.
And they expect him, the Louisville people expect him to
be a guy that is uh, a guy that is
taken at a at a pretty good, uh you know,
pretty high level uh, in this draft. So he's a

(43:36):
really good player. Uh, there's different things and and look,
Louisville had a defense that was a little up and
not a little. They were a lot up and down
last year. They gave up a lot of yards. They
were very limited in the cornerback and in the secondary.
They didn't have a ton of guys. So there was

(43:57):
a lot of games when Quincy had to play the
entire game where he had to play almost every single
snap of the game by necessity because they had injuries
and they had a couple of different things that happened
where they lost some cornerbacks and and that's the way,
you know, the way it is in the college game.
So Quincy was out there a lot. And again, I

(44:21):
think everybody sees what you were talking about with the
deficiencies and all that. But I also think that, uh,
there's a lot of good things there that you don't
see as far as the way he studies the game.
And I think how much of how good of a
player he could be down the road. I think the
best is yet to come for him.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
And he is a good nose of the ball, which
I think has said to go back to his study
and then the standing one offense is trying to do.
Uh yeah, final player for me, Jody, I appreciate you
giving us the time, yere Ja. Corey Brooks, wide receiver
transfer out of Alabama. I washed him down at the
Shrine Bowl. I liked his hands. I thought he ran
pretty good routes. I'm just not sure he's got the
speed in the juice to separate. Curious what you say

(45:00):
off from him in Louisville.

Speaker 7 (45:01):
He made so many big plays for Louisville this year.
They would not have won the game the games that
they did, and then they wouldn't have won the nine
games without him, for sure. He and he and Tyler
Shutt came in and they had an immediate kind of spark.
But I will say this, there was a lot of
times when Jacorey Brooks would make a ridiculous play down

(45:24):
the field and then you would kind of be like,
where is he for a little while, you know what
I mean, Like he would just kind of disappear. And
it wasn't not like he was making all the plays,
but he was making big plays. But there were there
were some other times where against Notre Dame, he dropped
a very easy ball across the middle. That would have
been a huge, huge play for Louisville at the time

(45:46):
in that game when they were still in the game,
and they ended up losing the game. So there were
different things. I wonder that the knock on him when
he came to Louisville from Alabama was was kind of
the motor and and kind of the speed, the speed
down the field and how much he kind of really

(46:07):
had to want to as far as that. And I
do have to wonder, you know, you saw good things
from him at Louisville, but I think you know, when
you really dig down deep inside and you look at
at at the whole process, I just wonder if teams
are not going to be worried about that a little
bit as far as the you know, when you hear
the Alabama folks saying, you know, does he really kind

(46:29):
of want to get better and play the game as
much that that that that is a little bit of
a worry.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Do you know why he transferred out of Alabama?

Speaker 7 (46:39):
I you know what, I I don't because I always
thought he was going you know, when you look at
their roster, he had a chance to be one of
their guys this year. Now he came to Louisville and
he was the guy. So I think there was some
of that, and we're glad, I mean, heck, we were
glad to have him. But but I do not I
never figured out, you know, kind of why he left.

(47:00):
He never really said.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Awesome stuff, Jody.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
We really appreciate the time, man, Thanks so much, Enjoy
the rest of the process, and we'll talk.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Again next year.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
His Jody be Well, all right, that's from the Louisville
Radio Network, their silent reporter, Jody Demmling right here on
Big Blue Kickoff Live. Good stuff from him on both
those players, well, on all those prospects, right, all of them,
and on both schools for me, and.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Very open and frank about Chuck that you know, there
are things that you're going to want to answer about him.
And quite frankly again the reported visit by the Giants
to go out and visit with him tomorrow, I'm sure
one of the things that they're going to be dealing
with when they sit down with him is trying to
pick his brain and figure out where is he philosophically

(47:43):
and mentally on dealing with some of that that whole residue.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
That that he had to endure.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
All right, let's shut to squeeze in a couple of
calls before we wrap things up here, Paul, I'm happy
we got guys on. We'll get you on and then
next week we don't have a ton of guest folks.
I think we just have one guest on next Tuesday.
Sow Penalntonio is gonna join us right on Tuesday. I
don't plan on doing any other guests. I might try
to get Charlie Campbell on to kind of give us
his like intel on what's happening in the draft, and
we'll try to do that. So keep in mind. But

(48:12):
you know, those Louisville process are interesting. You know, Tyler
Schuck's a guy that could go in round two of
this draft. Heck, a lot of people are saying he
can go around one of this draft. He's got the ages,
got the injuries, but man, his tape was good. Then
you have Ashton Jelot, who I think is a guy
that his position is nebulous, but his play is really strong.
He can play the run, he could play the pass.

(48:34):
I thought he's gonna come out last year and be
a Day two pick. He's gonna come out this year,
and I think be a Day two pick. So a
lot of interesting guys and throwing Quincy Riley who could
slide into that third round maybe as a cornerback who's
a five year player in college and see what he
can do. So between LSU and Louisville, some really good
players from both programs.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Miles in Maryland. He's up next on Big Blue Kickoff Life. Hi, Miles.

Speaker 8 (48:59):
Going on Schmelkey.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
What's up PAULI? Man, Hey, let's tell you guys. First
of all, Man, I called for the first time a
while ago. It is my second time calling you. Guys
made the off season enjoyable. Thank you question for you
take it off the air, yep. What is your opinion
on Kyle McCord. I've been watching Gruda's QB camp. I
love that show. I'm so happy they brought it back. Man.
I like Kyle McCord. I want to solidify our defensive

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line or defensive front. I want to take a dull
Carter and we can probably take McCord if he drops
the late second or third. Just I want to know
what your opinion is on him?

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Man, Thank you appreciate him house well. Paul's captain of
the cal McCord fanklubs.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
I will let him.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, yes I am. In fact, I had Matt Sims
on another show I did last night, and Matt is
also very high on Kyle McCord as the second tier quarterbacks.
To me, the problem with McCord he doesn't have the
strongest arm. So it's good arm, but it's not a
strong gun or rifle. But he has a good arm.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
He does not release in my opinion that does have.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
He does wind up and crank it a little bit.
There's no doubt.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
He does not have great mobility. He's got escapability, but
not mobility. Those those are two things that a lot
of people right away are gonna say, Oh, they're gonna
cringe his accuracy at times because he gets a little brave.
There are times when because when he's throwing on a
move and feels a little heat, he'll misfire on an

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accuracy on a ball. There are gonna be times when
he tries to squeeze it in when he probably shouldn't. Okay,
I get that too.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Yeah, I thought there were times where it's.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Like you're really trying to split that ball there, and
he's not anticipating what the defense is gonna do. He's
throwing to a spot or a player, and I think
he's predetermining where he's going with the ball and he
puts it into a touch.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Actually, for the most part, his anticipation is very good
for the most part, but there are times when he
does have those lapses. Absolutely, and I and and what
I When I was talking to Adam Cherry, the Syracuse
uh former, the former player who's the radio analyst, he
said the issue was that he trusted his receivers a lot.
He really thought that they could make plays for him.

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And sometimes when you do that and you believe your
guys are gonna make that play on that fifty to
fifty ball, well.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Maybe you take too many chances.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So I get the fact that he is not a
first round pick, he is not a second round pick.
Someone is probably gonna start thinking about him in the third.
I don't know exactly what the sweet spot is. I
wouldn't mind if the Giants decide they're going to go
for a project quarterback and and you're talking ninety nine
or one oh five, I would be very very satisfied

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to grab a Kyle McCory.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Yeah, I would not pick him before that though. Okay,
well that's the earliest time. I'm not going earlier than that.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Well though he said round two or three, that's why. Yeah,
Well now ninety nine is technically the end of the
third round. No, I know, but that's as high as
I would go. But I do think he is the
quote sleeper quarterback of the next tier down.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
I would put yours would be my guy in that group.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, I'm not big on him, but anyway, I will
tell you this, He's sturdy, really assertive, He's he's got toughness.
He's not afraid to stick his nose in there and
run for yardage if he's got to do it. Leadership
skills off the charts. The people at Syracuse absolutely love him.

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And you said, you watch Gruden's Quarterback School video with him,
which is up right now. I also just watched that
actually early this morning, and I love the guy even
more after watching that program. There's a lot there to like.
There's a lot there to like. But again, I would
say no earlier than ninety nine for me. But I

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do think he's the best of that next group of quarterbacks.
And I do think he's got some good upside and
starting capabilities.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
In the league.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, but him and Will Howard kind of in that
same category. I like him better than Will, put him
both in that same group.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
You have different different flavors, different folks, no doubt. Let's
go to Cliff in New York. Cliff, You're hi next time,
Big kick off Live High Cliff.

Speaker 11 (53:01):
Hey, guys, I just wanted to ask about Abdul Carter,
how you'd compare him to the class of twenty two.
And we took Cavon at five, and there were two
edge rushers taken ahead of Kavon. One was Aden Hutchinson
and the first pick didn't work out great, but not
really a bust. And in particular, did I hear you
say there's even though Abdul played linebacker, that he's got

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some kind of limitation against the run setting the.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Edge, Well, I mean, I think the only thing abou
him against run. He's only two hundred and fifty pounds,
So if he's going to man up against the three
pound offensive tackle, you're gonna have problems there.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Needs more power, needs ability to throw a guy, do
a little more shedding when he's in the run game.
He's got to be a little more stout too. If
guy runs into him, he's got to be able to
hold it.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Heading into the both drafts, I would have if you
combine the twenty twenty two class, Cliff to your point,
in the twenty twenty five class, I would have I
would have Abdual Carter as my top player.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
I would have him a head of Hutchinson myself.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I think you would have. I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
And by the way, and they're different players. Hudgers, he's
a defensive end. Carter is not a defensive end. He
is an edge rusher, you know, slash monster back in
a way, because you can do a lot of stuff
and move him around. He and the Hutchinson play different positions.
But I do think that Carter potentially is the more

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explosive guy because of where he will play and the
tools that he brings to the table. And look, you know,
I was a big cave on Thibodeau guy, but he
is not not the potential dominating pass rusher that Carter
could be.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
He's just not.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
And I like Tibbetou a lot, you know that, John,
but Carter's got more ups I think as a pure
pass rusher.

Speaker 11 (54:44):
I've heard Carl on the radio cast give a lot
of props to Kavon for set in the edge.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Well, yes, he's a much better run defending edgesetter than
a lot of people ever give him credit for.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
There's no question about that.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
He's become more of a power player than he has
in a speed upfield finness player.

Speaker 11 (55:02):
Okay, Well, if the idea is to is to somehow
close the gap further on the Eagles, who do they
have in in the middle? But is it Jalen Carter?
And is there another guy who next to him?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Jordan Davis would be the guy that plays next to
him most of the time. And then they just lost
Milton Williams. I think the Eagles are actually playing in a
draft one or two defensive tackles draft class.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Absolutely they will.

Speaker 11 (55:23):
Well, I'm still hanker information, so that's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Eagles are in no position to get Mason Graham.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Don't rationalize that into the world. Please, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (55:39):
You're right, Howie Roseman will make a deal.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
And you would have said the same thing about Jalen
Carter falling to nine a week before that draft, too, right,
that's what you gotta think. Nine Jalen Carter that's where
we dropped here, right, We don't think it was Jesus
that was what the that was?

Speaker 4 (55:53):
That was a twenty twenty three draft, right, the uh
the Jalen.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
The only thing I.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Can remember is that we were sitting together, we were
the unch him together when that pick came down, and
both of us like just wanted the throw.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Oh I told you before they picked, I said to you,
I said, we you know, Jalen Carter's dropping though, right,
and then you know how much I like Nolan Smith.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Of course he drops to them at thirty. Yeah, at
pick thirty, So I know, I know why he dropped
that far in that draft off Noid. You know what,
Smith was a good football.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I got a really good idea.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Every time that Philly gets up on the clock on
Thursday night and Friday night, we should just walk out
of the room.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
Well, we got a long way to go, don't they
pick last? I know, I know, Well we start packing
up to go home at that point, hopefully, oh my,
unless the Giants do a little movie movie into the
back of the first round, who knows. We'll have to
wait and see Paul good stuff, my friend.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah, fund you again?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
All right again Tomorrow's Big Blue Kickoff Live is recorded.
Matt Waldman, Kentley Platt joins Us pearsonal private That editing
up around noon, give or take, it'll go up, so
make sure you check that out tomorrow. Uh Draft season
is up from this week with Tony Pollie and I.
We both give our first round great. Tony actually is
twenty one this year in the first round, which I
thought was a little hot first round, true first round.

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I was around sixteen, so he's usually a little more conservative. Yeah,
I know, he said, Look, he's maybe a couple guys.
I pushed in that I maybe shouldn't have, but that's
where it was. The allergies are starting, by the way,
I've warned people that it was coming, and of course
it's gonna be the worst draft week.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
Is what can you do?

Speaker 4 (57:18):
We also did sleepers on Draft season and we did
probably about eighteen or so questions from.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Fans on Draft Season two. From that, people submitted on Twitter.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
You guys did a great job with that, so check
that out. Giants Huddle podcast. I'm gonna need help from
Pearson that I was figuring now Brian brought. I always
forget Brian. Brian's up now Nate Tice went up this week.
What was Monday this week?

Speaker 5 (57:37):
The guy we did we edited the week before and
we got it in.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
It was Bruce Feldman.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Bruce Feldman, Yes, who does a great job covering. And
tomorrow too, Yeah, and tomorrow Chris Sims coming our way
and that is recorded, so we have it.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Uh, it is gonna go up tomorrow, and I'm hoping
for next week. We're gonna have Draft season on Tuesday
like usual. I'm hoping for Monday will be Todd. What
are we going on Monday? Pearson?

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Oh yeah, Thomas Dimetrov.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
I always forget I've done too many of these damn things.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
I know he has done a great job editing them.
Thank you, Pearson.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Thomas de Betrov will be on Monday. Uh, Draft season
will be on Tuesday. We'll have Todd Mickshay on Wednesday.
If we're recording that to stafternoon, hopefully it happens. And
we're working on the big Guy, Phil Simms at some
point next week too. We'll try to squeeze that in
at some point next week as you get ready for
the Draft. And as a reminder, we have our live
show on fan Wednesday night, from seven to nine Sunday

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morning from eight to ten, and then Paul and I
will be live during the Giants picks and rounds one,
rounds two, rounds three, and then we'll go about the
first half an hour before the draft starts on Saturday.
Then we'll go about an hour or so with the
Giants fourth round pick. They don't pick in the fifth
round to the middle of the round because they that's
not their pick. It kind of got moved around the trade.

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We might not stay on till the fifth round, but
then we'll have our wrap up show obviously on Sunday morning,
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