Big Blue Kickoff Live 4/9 | Penn State & Texas A&M Prospects

Paul Dottino and Matt Citak are joined by guests who cover the Penn State and Texas A&M football programs. They discuss the respective prospects from the schools they cover.

:00 - Penn State prospects

23:20 - Calls

31:00 - Texas A&M prospects

48:00 - More calls

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we have a guest coming on who uh covers the
Penn State Nitney Lions.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
And in case.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
You haven't done you have homework yet, they got one
guy in particular, who's You're going to be at the
top of the board. Obviously medical questions, but we're going
to try to dive into that.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Also, coming up at one.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
O'clock, we'll have a guest on from Texas A and M.
They've got a couple of very interesting potential high draft
choices as well, not as high as the top three,
but guys who are supposed to be really good.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, and all on the defensive line for Texas indeed, indeed,
three intriguing prospects.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
So that's our game plan for today. We'll talk Penn
State first.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Maybe get a couple of phone calls in from you guys,
then we'll talk a little Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
A and M.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
And then the rest of the program will be all
about you are, listeners and viewers. But for now we
head out to Penn State and Zach Zayko, host of
the Locked On on Nitney Lyons Digital Network. He's been
covering the program now for several years. Zach, thank you
so much for taking the time to join us today.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Hey, it's the privilege to be on the show.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, my man, when we schedule this interview, one of
the things I said to you is you've got the
opportunity to watch Abdul Carter for all three.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Of his years at Penn State.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Now we know there's a medical check that's going to
be going on this week, and I don't need you
to be a doctor, but I think one of the
things I want to do here just to get this
part of the conversation out of the way from covering
the team as you have, do you ever remember him
having limps or having any type of foot maladies or

(02:32):
leg maladies where you said to yourself, something's not right
about him that maybe he played through, or maybe do
you remember him missing practices as you go back into
your memory banks and think about, yeah, you know there
were weeks he wasn't practicing, but he played in the games.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Because we're still trying to find out.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
About this mysterious stress reaction in his foot that was
discovered during the combine physical and he says he has
no idea what that's all about.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
The short answer is no, he was present for all
of the season up until the point where he had
injured his shoulder, and that was going through the Fiesta
Bowl against Boise State, and then he played through it.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
So the guy's tough as nails.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
He might have been dealing with bumps and bruises, but
you wouldn't know even the most severe, and we say
severe because of how we look at it. But Abdul
Carter played a full game against Notre Dame with a
championship berth on the line. So if there's any if
there's any questions about his durability or can't he handle
injuries or anything like that, and he's playing through an

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alleged stress fracture, and we know about the upper body injury.
We saw it. His shoulder was taped up, and he
played arguably one of the best games of his career
against the national runner up. But I think that kind
of tells you everything you need to know about health, durability, stamina, toughness,
that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yes, So it's easy, obviously to compare Abdul Carter to
Micah Parsons. Seems like just about everyone is doing that, obviously,
both coming from Penn State ed Rusher number eleven. So
my question is, how would you say that Abdul Carter's
game differs the most from Micah Parsons.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
I don't think Micah would have would necessarily agree with me,
But what if I have to compare the two of
them together, I think I think Micah's I think Micah
is stronger. They'll usually have, you know, more of an
aggressive bull rush where he can take on I mean,
I remember, I can't remember the forty nine ers tackle
he threw or he threw.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
He just he just took a three.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Hundred pound man and threw him. And it's not to
say that Abdul Carter isn't strong, but he's more of
a finesse He can beat you with with different other moves.
It's his bend, it's his twitch, it's those, it's those,
the speed and quickness. And that's where Micah would I think,
would disagree with me while I'm faster than Abdul, even
though you know they're both from Penn State. They both
wore the number eleven and there's mutual respect. But I

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think Carter's a more polished speed ra sure and can
use finesse moves, whereas Micah Parsons I think is the
stronger of the two.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, let me have your pick caught or apart, because
we all seem to believe he's going to be, if healthy,
one of the top three choices in his draft. I mean,
there seems to be a very strong consensus about that.
Matt and I certainly believe that he and Hunter are
one and two, two and one at the top of
this draft in terms of best players available. So let
me ask you to pick him apart for a second,

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because I tried to do that as I watch tape,
and I said, Okay, he doesn't shed blocks maybe as
well as you would like, and certainly in the run
game sometimes because maybe he doesn't read the run game properly,
he does get caught. Other than that, it's pretty hard
for me to find something that he is going to
have to work on when he gets to the NFL

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because of the athleticism that you talked about, because of
the speed, the pass rushing ability is going to overwhelmingly
be how people are going to utilize him, and why
not because he's they were unique in terms of that ability.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well, and that's just it.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
His overall game will make up for any shortcomings if
I I mean, it's difficult to be critical of a
consensus top three selection, and I can argue that he's
the number one overall pick, so there's not much to
criticize and to say, well, he doesn't do this writer
or that right. He checks every single box from on
field production to just off the field. What kind of teammate.

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He is work ethic, attitude, smarts, versatility. He was playing
off ball linebacker. He was a four to three. He
started on Penn State's defense as a true freshman. He
was handed, not handed.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
He earned right away.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
So this is what's so interesting about abdul Carter is
that he wasn't an early enrolldee freshman. He came in
over the summer and impressed in such a short amount
of time that he was there for the fall training
camp for August. So he came in for summer workouts
and in that time, Penn State looked around and him,
are like, this guy's number eleven. So he did that
in a month as a true freshman, eighteen year old.

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So that's the precedent that was set.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
And he was the.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
Starting linebacker right out of the gate and then converted
to defensive end. And that's okay. And that's the other
interesting part is he went from being the number eleven
traditional he's your off ball linebacker, so he's in coverage,
he's pressing the line of scrimmage. You can send him
on on blitzes and everything like that. But then they said, okay,

(07:25):
we want you closer to the point of attack. We
want you closer to the line of scrimmage. Can you
be a hand in the dirt defensive end for us?
And he went from a position he might have played
it in specialty situations in high school possibly I can't
remember from his tape, but he never played defensive end
full time. And then we are talking about him as

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the top prospect in the NFL draft when he's been
playing defensive end for nine what nine months.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Less than a year.

Speaker 6 (07:55):
That, Like I said, I don't have a lot of
criticism about Abdol Carter. You need an play safety. I'm
sure he could learn.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
I'm sure he.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
Could learn safety, but that's just it. You blame him
at the defensive end. If you say, hey, we need
linebacker help, We're we're short on depth this week. You
could move him back there, and he's great and phenomenal
in pass coverage. I would say run run defense is
maybe his quote unquote weakness. Like you said, he can
get caught. You know, I made the comparison to Hey, MICHAEH.
Parsons doesn't get pushed around as easily. He's stronger. I

(08:25):
think it's that overall strength, but absolute Carter. I mean
he's he's six foot four, two fifty. He's bigger than
Micah Parsons technically when you put them on the scale.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
How much did he physically mature during the three years
he was at Penn State. Could you see the difference
in his physicality?

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he was already I mean he
was already built like a big ten linebacker as it was,
which is why he would which is why he was
number eleven right out of the gate to start his career.
But you did, you could see him, Oh, he's getting
bigger and stronger and faster and that and that. When
you add muscle, you know, it might flow you down

(09:00):
a little bit. But the weight and the speed complemented
each other as opposed to taking away from his overall athleticism.
Penn States just kind of does that. Nicholas Singleton, for example,
as a running back. I had to ask him, I said,
you put on weight.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
He said no, I didn't.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
I didn't add any extra weight. And it's like, well,
you look, you know, you look bigger. You keep adding
more muscles. So I think that's just a Penn State
weight room and nutritional program that it is. Abdul Carter
is certainly not the exception.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yes, So now I'm going to turn the conversation over
to the other top likely top ten pick, of course,
talking about tight end, Tyler Warren. Honestly, looking at just
about every part of Tyler Warren, he seems like one of,
if not the most complete prospects in this entire draft.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I mean he has the size.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
The quickness, the production this past season, I mean over
one hundred receptions over twelve hundred yards. So, similar to
Paul's last question about Abdul Carter, is there anything that
Tyler Warren cannot do or you think needs to really
improve on when he transitions to the NFL.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
It's the same thing. It's that versatility goes a long way.
I mean in the highlight reel, he's snapping the football
as the as the center and then running a streak
down the field and then a double triple coverage makes
a leaping grab.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
Right.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
So it's the same thing that applies, the same standard
that applies to Advo Carter. Well, you can play defensive
end and linebacker. I mean, Tyler warrens you're the complete
package at tight end. You line him up in the slot,
you could if you want to you line them up
in the boundary as a wide receiver, you line him in,
they line him up at quarterback. He took the rect snaps.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
He throws the quarterback draws.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Warren is Warren is one of the most just intriguing,
exciting prospects, if you will, because it's the same thing.
It's to put your head down, go to work the
work ethic. He's a mismatch. If I had to make
any sort of criticism, you know, maybe you could be
better as a run blocker, but he's still already. He

(11:00):
goes past the whistle right within reason. He doesn't commit
fouls or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
He just he works his reps.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
He plays all the way, you know, through to the end.
The guy. The guy was a battering ram and took
so many lumps throughout the season. I'm surprised that he
was able to stand up right, never had any injury
issues because he was it seemed like at times he
was definitely eighty percent of Penn State's passing production, right,

(11:28):
but he he was just you always had to account
for him. And even when teams would double and triple
and devote game plans to him, the only team to
really stop him or limit him. Was Ohio State and
they were the national championship team. So that's the caliber
of Tyler Warren. If he reaches his peak in the NFL,
that's where he just takes over games and you can't

(11:50):
you can't take him away, you can only limit him.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Why do you think he was such a late bloomer.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Buried on the depth chart. I mean, you know we're
talking New York Giants. THEO Johnson was a veteran and
ahead of him in terms of maturity at the time.
So you know, an older, stronger, THEO Johnson is going
to be better than a Tyler Warren that was still developing.
Warren didn't play tight end forever. If you compare THEO
Johnson to Warren specifically, Johnson was always a wide receiver

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tight end combo through high school and everything, and Warren
was a quarterback converted to tight end. So Warren had
to go through you know, just everybody's timeline is different,
and he found his niche being a tight end. So
but ten States had this long line of tight ends
where you just kind of have to wait your turn.

(12:42):
I mean, Brenton Strange was the second round pick to
the Jacksonville Jaguars and they were all in the same room,
so he had to give reps to Brenton Strange, Theo Johnson,
and Tyler Warren at the same time. And the fact
that Tyler Warren, as a true freshman, red shirt freshman,
was already being used in wildcat packages and this specialty player,
despite two veteran tight ends being ahead of him on

(13:04):
the depth chart, was really telling at the time. When
you look back.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
On it, Yeah, Tyler Warren is one of my favorite
prospects in his entire draft. I mean, NFL dot Com
has his player comparison as Jeremy Shockey, which of course has.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Us so excited about him.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
But I want to ask about two of the guys
that actually had to face against Tyler Warren in practice
every day. If the two safeties that are going to
get drafted at some point in the draft, Kevin Winston
Junior and Jalen Reid, I guess, what do you think
are each of their strengths and weaknesses and what really
sets the two apart from each other?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, get us an update on Winston's ACL injury though
first before you even go to their skill set, because
that's going to be a big deal for some of
the medicals.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Yeah, I mean it sounds like kJ Winston is going
to be he's going to be ready for any sort
of training camps or anything like that. It wasn't so
to my knowledge, it was that there was a lot
of Penn states very James Franklin is very particular about
how he disclosed his injuries and everything like that, because
we we didn't know, there was nothing on the record
that's said until late in the season that kJ Winston's

(14:08):
not coming back.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
He's not he's not available.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
He was always kind of this, mum's the word, okay,
is he okay? Is he not? We kind of learned
at the end of the day that it wasn't a
full ACLS hair. So I guess if there's like if
you're an NFL franchise and you're trying to gather it's
not There wasn't this total reconstructive repair on his knee.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
If he will so he should be good to go.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
I don't think there's any gonna there's going to be
any serious injury concerns. He rested, he healed, and and
went about it. It's a shame because I think he's
he would have been the difference maker in in the
defense that maybe could have gotten Penn State pass. You know,
is the difference of three points. kJ Winston him being
on the football field of the veteran playmaker would have

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been the difference because he was could have been All Conference,
could have been All American with a full season.

Speaker 8 (14:53):
Under his belt.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Wins Winston is h He's basically a safety. He's a
linebacker that masquerades is a safety. So he's not afraid.
He didn't register a mistackle and has been I'm pretty
sure and according to PFAT Pro Football Focus for the
entirety of his career because junior junior season was cut short,
but his sophomore season did not. He played a full season,

(15:17):
did not miss a tackle. The guy just has a
knack for finding the ball carrier, making a hit.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
He's physical, he's got great vision.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
Uh in covering, you know, coverage probably could be probably
could be better. But just your traditional strong.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Safety, he's not.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
He's not a free safety, the guy that you want
to bring down to the box. He just he just
really just has in just instinctive awareness when it comes
to dissecting football plays and I and the same thing
can carry over to Jalen Reid. I think Jalen Reid
depending on where he goes. Depending on where he goes,
I think he is a second round.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Pick if he goes in the third or the fourth.
I don't think he'll slip past the fourth.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
I really don't.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
I see them both be Day two picks.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
If you get either of these guys in the third round,
you were getting that steals of the draft. These guys
are at a minimum second round, early to mid second
round players. In my mind, Jalen Reid is a little
more versatile than kJ Winston. I would say his coverage
ability is a bit better. I would say he's a
little bit faster. I would say kJ Winston is the
better tackler and the better in pursuit, but Reed's not

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far behind. Reid can play close to the line of scrimmage.
He can play as a slot de sensive back.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
He's just got a lot of it.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
He's just he has a little more versatility as far
as where you could use him. He could be a
free safety, he could be a nickel corner, he could
be a strong safety. Whereas kJ Winston, I pencil him
in as, yeah, he's a strong safety because he's that
additional hybrid linebacker if you want to sense, he's a
linebacker that can cover, whereas Jalen Reid's a safety that
can go up and make a tackle. It's really impressive

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what Jalen Reid was able to put because when kJ
Winston went down, Jalen Reid they took they had to
take him out of this hybrid nickel safety they call
it the lion in Penn State's defense, where he's basically
a roamer and he floats around on the defense, and
they had to move him back to a traditional safety room.
And that's where a Penn State's defense missed out from

(17:14):
being a good you know, maybe they're great defense to
elite like consensus top three last season because they had
to take Jalen Reid out of his prime role to
accommodate the loss of kJ Winston. And you know, thinking
about it as a Penn State guy, is a shame
that we missed out on the peak, prime of what
that safety room could have given the defense.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
I had everybody been healthy.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
But at Sjaleen Reed, you can play him anywhere at safety, spot, corner,
you name it.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
He's the full package.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
Zack.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
We've got one more guy for you. And we can't
talk to a Penn State guy without talking about a linebacker.
After all, it is linebacker you as we've known for many, many,
many years, and Kobe King is your typical throwback inside linebacker.
May not have have the great length of the great
athleticism and speed, but man does he get his nose

(18:04):
dirty in between the tackles.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, you described him perfectly.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
He's more of your traditional thumping linebacker. Took him, you know,
it took him time to really take over and settle
into that Mike linebacker, but as he did, you could
see the growth in real time. So that's what I
like about Kobe King is he not only gets better,
he gets better in the off season, but you can
see him get better in real time as well. So

(18:29):
i'd liken him to you're trying to think of a
ventage there. If your run stuff for Mike middle linebacker
that can command the defense, if there's a comparable through
you know.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
You get a sense of a London Fletcher type.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Maybe, Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that I
think that's fair.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
Because he's a tackling machine. I would say his weakness
is in past coverage in against Notre Dame. This this
hadn't been exploited throughout the season, so there really wasn't
a lot of book on it. But that's, you know,
that's what separates good from great coaching is that Marcus
Freeman and Mike Dombrock Gosh, I'm blanking on the offensive

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coordinator's name for Notre Dame, they exploited the fact that
Kobe King wasn't the best and manned man pass coverage.
So he is your two down linebacker. He could. I'm
not saying that he can't get better in pass coverage,
but that's certainly that's going to be glaring and need
some work in the time. But I see Kobe as
you know, you're as he gradually gets better and gets

(19:27):
a little more experienced. Could he be Could he be
a solid starting linebacker for any team? Absolutely? I think
it's more in a two down roll. I don't know
that until he shows me otherwise that he's a true
three down linebacker that can handle pass coverage assignment.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Great stuff from Zach Zayko, host of Locked on Nitney Lions. Zach,
where can people find yourself?

Speaker 7 (19:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (19:49):
I appreciate the opportunity to come on the show. So
it's locked on Nitney Lions. It's available on YouTube wherever
you get your anywhere that you get your podcast, post
in daily episodes about Penn State football, wrestling, men's basketball, recruiting,
you name it, every single day of the week.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I got a feeling we'll be talking to you about
a certain quarterback this time next year, but we'll put
that conversation off for about twelve months. Okay, I'm looking.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
Forward to when it does happen in the future.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
So thank you, thank you, Zach be Well, thank you.
The Penn State entity lines first up on today's Big
Blue Kickoff Live program, and understandably, so many many good
things to say about these handful of Penn State prospects,
who all were very productive for a very good team.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah. I mean, it's tough to have one top ten
pick in the draft, but they're about to have two,
and you know, two guys probably in the top what
six or seven picks could be because Tyler Warren is
not I don't think he's dropping out of the top
ten and probably towards the middle part of the top ten.
But yeah, I mean, and again, as Zach mentioned, like

(20:57):
kJ Winston probably would have been I don't know, early
Day two, maybe even sneaking into the end of We
probably would have been the top safety if you hadn't
had the season ending knee injury.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Just a very.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Solid group of prospects in this draft, and Jalen Reid
hits like a truck.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
I do think he's gonna end up going probably in
like the fourth round, go a little bit later, but
coaches will like him because he hits one hundred percent.
I think we're assuming he goes let's say late Day
two or early day three. I think he will outplay
his draft slot in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's probably true, all right, two on one nine, three, nine,
four five one three. We've got a few minutes before
our checks. Is A and M guest, So why don't
we go to Jay and Phoenix and see if we
can hit you up first on the program? Hello, thanks
for calling.

Speaker 9 (21:48):
Hey, guys, thank you. Yeah, just in line with that
conversation you just had the Penn State guys, when you
look at Abdua Carter and because I've what again, I'm
only seeing highlights, so I don't get into it much
more than that. What I see is a guy who
it seems like every time he hits someone, it hurts blow.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
O, yeah, there's always like a little a little like
he is. He is a tough hitter, but based on
his experience, so he comes into Penn State looks like
he played inside off ball linebackers first.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Then he's a.

Speaker 9 (22:25):
Conditioned like they were just talking down to the line
looking at the Giants defense in the way it's made
up right now, how do you guys see him being
utilized well with Shane Bowen.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Here's the thing. If you're going to have Thibodeau and
Burns as your starters on the edge, and you're gonna
say that each one of those guys is going to
take twenty five percent of the plays off right, because
let's face it, while those guys have been here, they
have played an awful high number of snaps. Well, if
you use Carter as one of the rotation guys in

(22:58):
a three way set, that means he's going to get
twenty five percent of TIBs of snaps. He's going to
get twenty five percent of burns of snaps, and that
means fifty percent of the snaps he's going to get
on the field one way or the other. That's how
you probably work him in as a rookie, and there
might even be packages. Will you have all three of
them on the field together at the same time.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
If the Giants end up drafting Abdul Carter at three,
and of course, assuming he's fully healthy and ready to
go for the start of the season, I think he's
gonna be able to feel the way more than fifty
percent right away. I mean, you don't take a guy
like him number three overall if you don't plan on
playing him, you know, very often right away. I think
it is a good problem to have, having three very

(23:40):
talented edg rushers, and it's gonna be up to Shane
bow And to sort of figure out if it means
moving one of those guys inside on some plays, or
as as Paul mentioned, rotating to give you know, each
of them a little bit of a breather as we
saw last year with you know, all the Giants' top
pass rushers. Shane Bowen will find a way to get
all those guys on the field and get them on

(24:01):
the field often more often than not, like that is
not an issue. I think, you know, I've seen a
lot of people, a lot of fans on Twitter kind
of get concerned, being like, well, we already have burns and.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Kvar what are we going to do with that? Bill Carter?

Speaker 4 (24:14):
And all I have to say is just look at
the two most recent Super Bowl Championship teams of the Giants.
Each of those teams had three very talented pass rushers
at least, if not more. So you draft Abdul Carter,
you find ways to get him on the field with
those other edge rushers and Dexter Lawrence, and all of
a sudden, you're looking at, in my opinion, one of
the best defensive lines in the entire NFL.

Speaker 9 (24:36):
Yeah, and then that's great analysis. And I'm right there
with you. I mean, the edge rushers, pass rushers can't
have enough of them. I was just wondering as well,
could you see him playing a little off ball as well,
maybe weak side.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Here's what I would do if I had all three
of them on the field together, and I do think
there'll be occasion when that will happen. You use him
as a rover because he has the ability to blitz
through the A gap or the B gap. So what
you do is instead of necessarily having let's say Michael
McFadden on the field, with o'krake, you know, as your

(25:14):
two linebackers, and you're in your sub package, maybe you
put Michael Parsons, not Michael Parsons, Abdul Carter. You put
Abdull Carter in there with O'carrike and say, okay, you're
going to be in there with o'kara Key, and we
can line you up anywhere we want to to shoot
any one of those gaps on a pass rush. There

(25:37):
were multiple things you could do with him.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, I mean his first two seasons, at his first
two seasons at Penn State, he played full time off
ball linebacker and was very good. Granted, this past year,
his first year as an airdresser, he was like absolutely
dominant and a true breakout campaign, But the first two
seasons he was still very good lining up at off
ball off ball linebacker. I mean, I think he was

(26:00):
first or second team All Big Ten as a freshman
and a sophomore.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
He won't be a fish out of water. Let's just
put it that way. If you if you want to
put him on the field in one of those three
three sets with the other two fellas, he's not going
to be out of place. He'll find something to do.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Trust me.

Speaker 9 (26:16):
All right, Thanks that, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
You got it, Thank you. Two one nine three nine
four five one three. Another half hour left on the program.
Do we have our next guest up here soon? Not
quite yet? Okay, so let's try another phone call. Let's
go to line two and if I can only find
the name Jerome from Charlotte, let's have it your home.
You're next on the program.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Hello, hey guys, I love the show as always, Thank you,
thank you. I got a couple of quick questions. First,
the comment about I love the off season so far.
I think Joe Shane has done a wonderful job getting
the players and to agree to come in at allow

(26:58):
you deal for us commendable job. And also, I hear
y'all talk about Carter, but I really want Graham more.
And here's the reason why. Because he not only will

(27:19):
he help Dexter Lawrence more because they can't stops, be
hard to stop both of them, but he can relieve him.
They can take more breaks and have dexa frensh going
from each quarter than wearing them out him being wown out.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, they played two different positions. Now, okay, Mason Graham
is going to be a three technique defensive tackle and
extra Lawrence is a news they don't play the same spot.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Not only that, but as you know we've talked about
on the show the last month or two, this is
a very talented and deep class at defensive tackle. You
could take Abdul Carter at three and then still take
a defensive interior defensive lineman, whether it's thirty four, sixty five,
even ninety nine, and you're gonna get a very talented
player that at the very least could come in from

(28:12):
the start of year one and at the very least
be a productive rotational player. Hopefully obviously you hope that
he develops into, you know, a full time starter next
to Dexter Lawrence, but you can get a guy on
day two that is going to come in and produce
right away as well.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Okay, and I'm kind of biased about Evan Neil because
my last name is Neil, not that rerelated, but I'm
rooting bard form and have they have any report of
him any type of training that would make him better

(28:55):
during the offseason. I take that off the air. Thank
you for the phone call.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Simply put, as Joe Shane said, they've already broached the
topic of cross training, Neil to guard and said that
that was met with open arms. So he's going to
do whatever he can help the team. The fact that
he's been healthy, fully healthy going into this offseason, I
think is a great benefit to him in whatever training
process he's going through for whatever he winds up playing

(29:22):
during the course of the season. All Right, we go
back to our guest line because now we're going to
talk about Texas A and M, one of the other
schools that has some very interesting defensive prospects, especially in
the front seven. And we go to Andrew Monico, who
does the radio play by play for the Texas A
and M football team. And Andrew, thank you so much

(29:43):
for joining us today.

Speaker 8 (29:45):
Wonderful to be with you. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, I guess we might as well start with the
freak who's coming out of coming out of that roster,
Shamar Stewart six five, two hundred and eighty one pounds, length, athleticism,
a lot of people you mind them of Jdaveon Clowney,
who of course has had a very injury riddled NFL career.
We don't want to see Stuart have a whole bunch

(30:07):
of injuries but if you can give us a sampling
for what the folks in the NFL are going to
get when they draft won Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
It's funny that you say freak, and that's what he
is at six' five and move to that edge here
At TEXAS a AND. M what impresses ME a couple
of things that impressed me About Shamar. Stewart he did
not have a good his second season was not good
At TEXAS a AND. M and he kind of took
that upot himself to make himself. Better AND i think
with The aggies bringing In Nick gorton on one end

(30:38):
And Cashes hall as, Well chamar got to play that
end a little bit. More and you, KNOW i know
the sac numbers aren't there for a lot of people
because that's what they look at first for edge. Rushers
but he is a disruptor and his tackles for, loss the,
CONSISTENCY i think will always that's going to be what
he's going to have to do next. Level he's going

(30:59):
to have to be more. Consistent BUT i love the
way this it. WORKS i got to give you the
story That Mike elko talks about The men in The
men of the ten so on an interception At, Florida
Bryce anderson with the pick, Six he's. Going the first
man up the field blocking for him was THE d
Lineman Shamar. Stewarts he just he was out Racing Bryce.

(31:22):
Anderson that's that. Freakishness he is, quick he is. Fast
there have been some MISTACKLES i think of The South carolina,
game but he is just an impact. Guy if you
asked me on that, edge AND i love what he.
Did he was disappointed, after you, know two seasons, ago
and he did something about it as opposed to just saying,
Hey i'm going to the, league AND i think he made.

(31:42):
HIMSELF i thought he scoring And howard really good for the.
AGUES i thought that defensive line was a strength For
Mike elko's crew this past.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Season, Yes i'm.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Glad you brought up the lack of sack production throughout
his three seasons Of TEXAS a AND, m because when
you look at just about everything about him as a,
PROSPECT i, mean he has amazing, size amazing. Length you
can see the explosiveness when you just watch him on.
Tape but why do you think that that his physical
skill set did not lead to such great production numbers

(32:13):
while AT a AND. L.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
Yeah, yeah that's a great point because and here's another
thing to add to. That if it's a detraction Of.
Samar Nick gorton was the one who was getting double
teamed on that. Line Shamar turner as well on that,
line and you would hope That Shamar, STEWART i think
he's still learning how to be that edge. Rushier now
they moved him inside as, well very similar To Demarvin
leal who's now At, pittsburgh a little inside but mostly

(32:37):
on that, edge AND i think he's still learning WHERE
i Think Nick gorton on the other end has the
spin move and is more of a plastic pass, rusher
although the sizes are completely. DIFFERENT i Think shamar is
still learning about. That and AGAIN i would love to
have seen him wrap up a little bit. MORE i
think those sack totals would have been. Up i'm thinking

(32:57):
of a couple in the loss At South carolina that
he would have. HAD i think that is something that
he was still. Learning with the Old Terry price who
passed away a couple of years, ago And schamar kind
of dedicated a little bit more to. That Elijah robinson
who's now At syracuse as a defensive coordinator and with
Coach chaos as they call Him Sean spencer here and

(33:18):
Then Jay bateman And Mike elko's. DEFENSE i think he
was learning. THAT i think he was so athletic coming
out Of South florida that he let that kind of
dominate as he was a, freshman and THEN i think
he had to learn that and that's WHERE i really
think He's he's really grown And i'm really, Excited, like
you can't teach that size in the, athleticism can't teach that.

(33:41):
Technique so, YES i understand what you're saying about THE
sacs AND i totally get. It BUT i, think you,
know with those tackles for losses AND i think if
he's going to be able to learn that, technique, MAN
i don't know if there's a better body that you
would be teaching to be able to do that for
what The giants want to. Do, now you just kind
of progrem am him AND i think he would fit in. Beautifully,

(34:02):
well let.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Me follow up there one final note on him before
we go to a, nick and that is With stuart's
incredibly unique skill set as he makes the jump to THE,
nfl you, know there's three, fours there's four. Threes are
you playing? End are you playing a three technique? Inside
where do you, suppose given the fact that he hasn't
fully polished up all of his tools, yet he should

(34:25):
wind up playing in the pros to maximize that, potential.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
Mostly a four man front For TEXAS a AND M
Mike elko has always played that four two, Five so
he was that edge rusher. There and you, know because
of that, size what's what's the key word that we've
heard in the last couple of, Years, right that bend
and that, Edge, right he's got, That like those edges

(34:53):
are so much more, athletic and you see it Like
i'm trying to say that his growth is similar TO i,
know different, positions But edgar And cooper at linebacker for
The Green Bay, packers like edge was completely it was all.
Athletics but he kind of freelanced in the, system which
got him in trouble a little. Bit but then when

(35:14):
he worked and he realized where he fit in that
system and how he had to have, control you could
still have him on that. Edge, again slightly different, players
BUT i Think Shamar stewart then sees that impact for,
him three technique probably for him and him on that,
edge AND i would say four down. Lineman i'm not. Sure,
Again i'm not saying he can't, learn but he's been

(35:35):
so used to being with four down lineman as opposed
to that three to four AND i don't know if
he could be that edge, guy that hybrid lineman linebacker
type position For Shamar.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Stewart all, right, now let's move on to the other
guy we've already, Mentioned Nick. Gordon SO nfl Dot com
has his player, comparison As Trey hendricks, said which is
obviously some very high. Praise looking At scordon's stats from
his final season At purdue compared to his once season
At TEXAS a AND, m the tackles for lost were

(36:06):
very very, similar but his sack production was half is
what it was his final season At. Purdue he had
ten sacks Of purdue only five this past season At
TEXAS a AND. M why do you think what do
you think led to that dip in? Production was it
just you, know the often double teams that you mentioned,
earlier or what was?

Speaker 10 (36:22):
It?

Speaker 8 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah and you're going up against The Will
campbell's of the world OF, lsu, right and you add
the tight end To Nick gordon's, line, right you do that.
AGAIN i thought he was so disruptive with the tackles
for loss AND i JUST i just watch him and
he looks like that pure edge rusher and the different.
Moves an outstanding spin move is what he. Has but

(36:45):
he really uses his hands. Well, again very different size
From Shamar. Stewart nick is a lot. Thicker the one
Thing Walter jolop has been with, Us he's been with The,
cowboys The, steelers The, raiders he's now With TEXAS a
AND m as one of our scouts and talking with,
him and he talked about the hands Of nick S
gorton and how he uses them as well as the

(37:05):
feet and the bull. Rush LIKE i think he's got
more technique Than Shamar stewart when it comes to pure
pass rushing and that size and Then nick when he gets, You,
Nick you're not going to escape From Nick. Gorton that's
WHAT i really really like from. Him BUT i think
it was that attention and you guys know. THAT i
guess it's similar to. Basketball when you go to the
top of that scouting, report everything. Changes so what are

(37:28):
you going to add to your, game you can't be
the same. Guy BUT i think it was because a
lot of the guys that he's going up, against the
tackles in THE. SEC i think it was a little
bit of a step, up not a shot at the
big ten at, all BUT i think a little bit
of a step. Up and you had to know where
eleven was on the field at all. Times you know

(37:48):
Where nick. Was he was going to demand so much
attention from opposing.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Offenses where do you think he made the biggest jump
when he came over From Purdue as he developed his.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Game what his?

Speaker 8 (38:00):
Body to tell you the, Truth, LIKE i think he
changed his, body AND i know he slimmed down a
little bit more AND i think he added a little
bit more. QUICKNESS i think it was bulk in the.
Past the other thing that really helped him here and
got comfortable was he's from. Here he's From, Brian. Texas
it's where he grew. Up and then he went away
because the size and then what he did At purdue
was the attention AND i think he liked. GUYS i

(38:23):
think he liked being that attention getter on that defensive.
Line LIKE i think he thrived with that some guys
shrink from. IT i think he thrived on it and, said,
yeah bring it all to. Me and there was a
leadership on that d line with, him like cash is
how who came From Bowling green was more outgoing Than Nick,
gordon but you could see that line coming Together Stuart

(38:45):
Schamar turner hal S, gordon AND i think his effect
on these young, guys this next group For Mike, elko
THE Dj hickses and The Ryland. KENNEDY'S i really think
he really liked the leadership. Part now he's going into
a completely different, role right he goes. Level he's not

(39:06):
no doubt that you can't be a leader when you're,
young but you know you've got. To you know there's
gonna be the. Veterans BUT i really think this is
a guy who's flat out. COACHABLE i love his relationship
With Mike. Elko he wasn't afraid to, wait like he
brought that leadership to a team that under our first
year head, COACH i think was necessary for that.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Defense, yes so.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
You Mentioned Shamar, turner so let's you, know wrap it
up with the third talented defensive line then FROM a
AND m in this.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Draft So Shamar.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Turner was used pretty much all over the defensive line
throughout his time AT a AND. M looking at his
size though you measured it at six three two, ninety that,
size you know sort OF i guess would be classified
as like a tweeter between the interior and ed. Rusher
so given his size and his usage At TEXAS a AND,
m would you say that there was one spot on

(39:52):
the line that saw the that got the most productivity
out of? Him and do you think that's where he
should line up at the next line the?

Speaker 8 (40:00):
Most he And Albert he And Albert regis were the
tackles and again inside outside Very Demarvin Lee. ALICE i
remember asking Jimbo fisher when he was here about that,
versatility and he talks about offensive lineman and defensive. Line
you can only carry so many of THE, nfl, right
so that kind of, versatility but you've got to stand
out at, something. Right he added thirty pounds of, muscle

(40:21):
but he never lost the speed that he always, had
WHICH i, thought WHICH i thought was. Impressive but he
was more in the interior for this line because bringing
in scorting on that edge and Moving schamar to the.
Outside but they rotated an awful lot of linemen because
you can't just wear down that first form if you.
Will he was more in the. Interior what hurts Sometimes

(40:44):
chamar's he gets so caught up in technique and the
block that he the eyes aren't there in the, backfield
and some he doesn't get wide enough right at. Times
But i'm telling you he's he is a, LOAD i
think for offensive. LINEMAN i REALLY i think that strength
really helped. Him now if he can combine that strength
with that speed and make those. Tackles another guy WHO

(41:07):
i thought was disruptive and defensive tackles are so important
For Mike elko's. Defense BUT i thought he was more
inside this year and when he was a younger player
here At TEXAS a AND, m and he thought about
coming out last. Year but that was the good thing About, nil,
right he could put himself in a better position with
the year that he had come. Back he was probably

(41:28):
going to be a later round. Pick moves to that.
Inside we'll see if that's going to be enough to
intrigue one team to be able to pick. Him but,
again very more of a quiet guy than a, raw raw.
Guy BUT i think he was one of the more
dependable players while he was here At TEXAS a AND.
M and you, know whether it Was jimbo Or Mike

(41:48):
elko in this, defense THAT d line key's everything for
the defense for The, aggies AND i Thought turner was a,
really really good. ADDITION i wish he was a little
more of an impact because we were all excited about coming.
Back BUT i think when you talk about the, teammates
they just rave about Having Schamar turner on that. Line
they just say he does so. Much he's another one
who's got to attract that. Attention.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Well between the, traits the, measurables the, versatility it's easy
to see why coaches would like. Him i'm just a
little curious he was a three year starter and in
today's transfer portal world that we all talk, about where
guys are hopping around and bouncing and bopping everywhere they
feel like getting up in the, MORNING i just wonder

(42:29):
about him being there for three years as a. Starter
do you think that was an advantage for?

Speaker 8 (42:34):
Him? Yes. Yes and again the names THAT i, Mentioned Terry,
price LONGTIME d line, coach there's a reason Why Von
miller And Miles garrett are in THE nfl. Place has
that kind of effect And Elijah. Roberts you know, WHAT
i still think even in twenty twenty, five college athletics
relationships still. Matter and the other thing is Before Mike

(42:56):
elko went To, duke he recruited these. Guys now he
didn't get to coach, them but he got to recruit.
Them SO i think that really. Helps but those relationships
with THE d line, coaches with defensive, coordinators With mike coming,
BACK i think that. Mattered AND i think when you
see some of THESE d linemen going to THE, nfl you, Realize,

(43:17):
Okay TEXAS a and m can get me to that next.
Level it was. Important again for For, CHAMAR i think
he had to be talked out of going to THE nfl,
early but Again nil keeps. Him here's what we want to.
Do you can craft your, body craft your technique to
get you to that next. Level like that's. Important that's
all part of the development in. College now there's so

(43:40):
many guys coming in in their minds they're, saying, Hey
i'm going to be here three years and Then i'm
going to the. League easier said than done when you're
seventeen years old and not realizing what it. Takes but.
YEAH i think those relationships that he had with guys
like THAT i think was. Important and he was he
was a Star. Wars and it wasn't just he didn't
come back and, say, Oh i'll come back If i'm a.

(44:01):
Starter he Said i'll come back and compete for that.
Job that's that's the kind of STUFF i, like because
you guys, know in this transfer portal there's guys talking
to team, saying, yeah i'll take your, money BUT i
also want to be a. Starter sure that doesn't fly
for a lot of. Teams you've got to compete for.
THAT i think that competition every. WEEK i think THAT
d line made each other better because they competed among

(44:24):
one another for those starting. Spots AND i give them.
Credit they had to go up against a good offensive
line For TEXAS a AND. M so it wasn't just
what they were doing On, saturdays it was what they
were doing during the week as.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Well.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Well there's one Thing i'm convinced about after having this
conversation is that whoever takes any of these three defensive
linemen From TEXAS a AND, m they're going to get
a good locker room guy and someone who's going to
act like a pro and is going to be a
very strong asset to that. Room Andrew, monico the voice
radio voice play by play man For TEXAS a AND M,

(44:57):
football thank you so much for your, time great stuff, Today, andrew.

Speaker 8 (45:01):
Thank you so.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Much, well.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
If you're looking for a stud up in your front
seven on, Defense TEXAS a AND m is not a
bad place to.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Look, YEAH i would not be, disappointed if you, know
maybe pick thirty, four even sixty five if one of them.
Drops one of these, three BECAUSE i think all three
of them will be gone by the end of day.
TWO i don't see them dropping out of the third.
Round where they land remains to be. Seen, obviously there
are some questions about each of. Them they're not like

(45:32):
perfectly clean, prospects otherwise we would be talking about them as.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Top, ten top fifteen.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Picks but each of them have their, own you, know
unique set of traits and skill sets that it's definitely
gonna have a lot OF nfl teams salvating thought of adding.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
THEM i wonder long Term turner is going to be
the last one. Drafting, yeah he might even slip to
the third.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
DAY i don't.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
KNOW i don't know because his traits.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Are just so.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Good that's WHY i don't think. So he may, not
but he'll be the third guy.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Drafted he may have the longest term career in the.
League wouldn't surprise, me just because of his. Traits and
he may not make the biggest, splash BUT i think
he's going to be a SOLID.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Nfl you can be very productive without ever having you,
know those big splashy. Numbers, no we're going have a
very productive and LONG nfl.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Career, absolutely all.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Right two on.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
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Speaker 7 (47:24):
Too uh, YEAH i wanted to just ask a. QUESTION
i know you guys about to get. Offline but, Oh,
paul you And john had a pretty interesting. CONVERSATION i
listened yesterday into the show with The colorado the gentleman
From colorado for his, name that covered the.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Team But Mike, richard the former receiver who played in THE.
Nfl he was, terrific wasn't?

Speaker 4 (47:49):
He?

Speaker 3 (47:51):
YES i do.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
REMEMBER i, men you guys are doing a terrific job
with interviewing all these guys from these. Colleges so, thanks
thank you for your hard. Work SO i wanted to
acts and you know you had a, big great conversation.
Happens let's, say Cam, WARD i forgot what the convoy

(48:17):
something like what happens at number three? IS i think
it Was abdul and sys out there or something along.
Those LAST i Believe.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
John's question to me was, hypothetically If ward goes one
To tennessee And hunter goes to To cleveland because he
knows THAT i Want Travis. Hunter So john likes to
just stick a knife into my back all the. Time
he's constantly prodding, me trying to make me. Miserable so
he Goes So Travis hunter is going to go to
TWO uh And cleveland and you find out that the

(48:48):
medicals aren't great on Abdual carter and you get a
red flag from the medical staff On Abdul. Carter what
are you doing at pick number? Three AND i went
To Mason, grant WHICH i, KNOW i know you're going.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
To, WELL i would first try to get Either New
england Or jacksonville to trade.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Up SEE i told you a couple of and he
gave me a hard. Time he would he, wouldn't he
wouldn't let me.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Trade one team can flag a guy's medicals while another
team's medical staff gives them the green.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Knights very.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
True all the reports have Said New england is gaga
over you, Know hunter Or. Carter so in that, Situation
i'm Calling New england Or jacksonville and trying to get
them to give me a couple of picks to move
back one or two spots and then Taken Mason.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Grant now What john presented to me to finish out that.
Conversation he presented to, me you, know what are you
hoping to get because AND i Know i've talked to
a lot of people over the, weekend they're saying that
nobody really wants to move up in this. Draft it's
going to be very hard to get the premier price
that you. Want i've always talked about the potential of moving,
down BUT i want a premier price for. It and

(49:56):
that pretty much means the team that wants to move
up probably is going to want to go After. Sanders
otherwise you're probably not going to be able to squeeze
juice out of them to get a premiere.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Price, well THAT i don't fully agree, with just because
in this draft there are two players that are seem
to be on their own tier and then widely considered
to be at least somewhat of a big drop off
To but.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
We're going out of the assumption That carter's got a
physical ailment that changes. Things, okay if.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
You say you're saying the red, flag like across the,
league everyone has red.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Flagged What john said to, me if If carter's red,
flagged that changes the, whole the whole. Conversation, yes, yes
in that, sense that's the.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Point that's the.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Point If carter's red. Flagged he, said if you can't take,
him if you if you, here he's going to need
surgery and it's going to impact his, career and you
can't take, him what do you? DO i, Said, Well
i'd love to try to squeeze, somebody maybe The patriots
at four because they want The Will. Campbell i'd love
to move down a spot and squeeze a second round
pick out of. Him BUT i don't Think i'm going

(51:00):
to be able to get. It So i'm just gonna
sit tight And i'm Taking Mason.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
Graham.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Yeah, no in that, SITUATION i agree with.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
You See john gives me all these hypotheticals just to
just to stick. Me he's got, This he's got this
golden twenty four carrot gold fork and he sticks it
in my side during the, program try and try to
get me to have. Adjuta what would you? Do?

Speaker 6 (51:22):
Jas?

Speaker 7 (51:23):
So what WOULD i? Do?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yeah given that, scenario what are you?

Speaker 10 (51:28):
Doing?

Speaker 7 (51:29):
So you KNOW i caught last week and maybe. PULL
i THINK i saught last week when you were Palling
java on the. Line so Maybe, paul will you, know
respond to me or you can't part of, time you
Know i've been kind of And i'll preface it in
that and Everybody i'm going to be fine with whoever
The giants decided to take a Free i'm A giants
fan before anything at the end of the. Day so

(51:50):
if His Travis Abdul Signore, Mason i'm rooting for those
guys because if they, transcend the team. Transcend so what
if they Draft?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Pierson pearson's got eligibility for the. Draft what if they Draft?
Pierson are you okay with?

Speaker 7 (52:05):
That, well then get pays for that they three second tell.
Them so so WHAT i wanted to, Say, MATT i
Know paul heard, me but also you, KNOW i know
he heard me last, week so that my film was
and neither none of us. Know at the end of the,
day we all could be right with our, piction all
could be wrong in high on players in the pass

(52:28):
and it burned us and we want to be a
law players in the past and they turned out to
be great. Players so nobody really. Knows like always six me,
Personally i'm not training. Down i've been on The schador
train for the last few. WEEKS i think he's tailor
fit for this, organization this, franchise and they was. Offense
that's just my. Opinion i'm not saying he's going to

(52:49):
BE i. Don't we don't know what any of these
players are going to be at the end of their.
Career that's why it makes it so interesting in the,
draft because we don't know people progress differently me, personally
Taking graham at to, read it's kind of rich because
THIS d. LINE i don't think people realize how talented

(53:09):
this defensive champing class really.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
GOOD i just, GO.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
I don't SEEM i just don't See. SHANE i. Don't
it's A. Humpottable i'm not saying he want to win.
It but you, know when you've got guys like wrong
to but we just have a own but the wrong
question now you, know and this is not directed to
AN i get the line. Up this question if if

(53:39):
if the czars Are shane And, gabel with my, horror
all those guys come to the agreement and they down
the table And gable, SAYS i Want. Sanders this is
the guy you from my, OFFENSE i think he could
be a top ten quarterback in the. League just just for,
infer just hit me. OUT i know we are all,
fans AND i know you guys are achieving. Columnists you

(54:03):
know sometimes they get up today or what a player
can't do right when they don't have a strong, arm
Or Mason graham isn't a big power and old you
know defenses in Or i'm going call it can't stop the.
Runner and we always pick on what players can. DO
i remember listening To Shannon sharp on this, podcast and

(54:24):
don't tell me what a player can't, do tell me
what he can do, right because we can always nitpick
what a player can and can't and you can't do this.
Right so let me ask you to a question and
just hear me, out just from my own. Edifice so you,
know if your door is the, pick if he is the,
pick AND i know you guys probably won't be highest on,
him and that's. Fine i'm sure you guys are still room.

(54:46):
Time he's an a Giant jills given some of the
floor quote unquote people think he. HAS i want to
ask you to if he's In Brian davis's, office why
do you think that would be a good match or
want to take me do with this offer that would
help this offense to kind of keep, going get the

(55:08):
ball rolling a little. Bit, granted with some of the
weapons we have With, Tyrone i'm assuming it a, draft
they're going to take another, lineman maybe to fortify that offensive,
line maybe another running, back maybe another. Receiver so what
do you guys think outside of her? Arm you, know
we know that's you, KNOW i know it's good to.

(55:31):
HAVE i think it's more of an icing on the
take kind of. Thing when you have A hollin's. ARM
i don't think it necessarily means you're going to be
a terrific, quarterback, because as we've, seen numerous quarterbacks Had
hollis arms and they turn out to be just terrible.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Quarterback, Jason i'm going to try to get cliffed here
before the end of the. Program so we're going to
answer your question to let you. Go is that all?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Right?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Yeah you want.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
To take a. Shot, Yeah so first of, All i'll
just make this.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
CLICK i have said several times over the last few
months that while me PERSONALLY i would Have Abdul carter
And Travis hunter at the top of my draft. Board
if the front, office If Brian, dable and the coaching,
staff if they all agree that they Think Shador sanders
is the guy that's going to lead this franchise for
the next ten plus, years and they think he's a

(56:22):
good match for the, offense with no, hesitation you write
his name on the card.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
And you handed.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
It they have to take him if you have And
i've said, this if you have conviction About, shador you
do not think. TWICE i don't care how Good Travis
hunter Or Abdul carter. Is if you have that, conviction
you make that pick and don't think twice about. It so,
again while my personal opinion would BE i Think i'd
rather Have hunter Or, carter if that's the way that

(56:47):
the front office and the coaching staff, FEEL i am
one hundred percent on board with. That because you can't
hit a home run at the quarterback position unless you
take some, swings AND i don't think you should just swing.
Aimlessly but if you feel very good about a, guy
then you take him at, three and you, know don't
risk wanting to trade back up into the first round, later,

(57:07):
like don't risk. That you pick him at three and
you feel good about.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
It in, Short, jerome it's not about what he, feels
or WHAT i, feel or What john feels or anybody else.
Feels it's all about respecting the. Process every front office
in The National Football, league if they have conviction they're
all in on a, player they have a responsibility to
take that player point, blank AND i respect. That so

(57:33):
if The giants decided at number three to Take Pearson,
Butler i'd be all in on it because that means
they were all in on, it AND i respect. IT
i may not like. IT i don't Think pearson can
play worth the. CRAP i don't even think he could
pick a basketball team worth the.

Speaker 10 (57:49):
Crap oh, yeah it's all about The Nick. Celtics but having.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Said, That i'd be all in in support of the
process because you have to respect the. Process.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Yeah just to add a real Quick i'll, say you,
know we all talk not too often, anymore but you,
know every once in a while we bring up hard.
Knocks and the one thing THAT i would say that
came out of that they gave me confidence about this
whole process is we saw What Brian dabeles puts quarterback
prospects through in order to see if you know they
have what it. Takes so If Brian dabele goes through

(58:19):
all those tests With Shador sanders and comes out of
it Thinking chador is our, GUY i am one hundred
on board with Taking Shador sanders at three.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Of the cliff In New. York you're last on the.
Program we're going to give you two. Minutes goore.

Speaker 11 (58:30):
Ahead, okay thanks. Guys first, off about being rich at
number three For Mason, GRAHAM i asked a week or so,
ago does Does Mason graham's how does he rank in
this extremely RICH dt? Class and the answer was he's
in a class by. Himself. Correct so if he's in

(58:52):
a class by himself in this kind of draft, class
that's a very special. Player in my, opinion his, position
his position has a greater chance to impact the team
than any, receiver, corner or edge. Rusher AND i was

(59:13):
listening yesterday To pritchard, also and When schmelk asked him
About Travis, Hunter prichard said that his best shot at
contributing early and putting aside the other position for a
while was starting out as. Receiver so what would be

(59:33):
rich is using a number three pick for a second,
receiver assuming That malik is still light years. Better So
i'm all in On mason for three no matter what.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Happens, well that's certainly very, interesting AND i appreciate the
perspective because we're certainly Huge Mason graham. FANS i do
think that If carter gets a clean bill of health
on his, medicals that's pretty tough to.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Pass and the Thing i'll just say About Travis hunter,
is while you know he might be better off starting
as a wide, RECEIVER i think whatever team drafts him
is going to plan on using him in some capacity
on both sides of the. Football so that is where
he adds more value than just coming in and potentially
being your number two wide. Receiver he's going to get
some snaps at least at cornerback as.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Well that's the value. THERE i will read one thing
to you very. QUICKLY a veteran long time defensive not
defensive offensive lineman who played in this, league good friend of,
mine knew him for a lot of. Years he follows
The Michigan wolverine's program with a fine tooth. Comb AND
i said to him about how HIGH i am At Mason,

(01:00:41):
graham AND i would be okay with taking him at.
Three he'd be one of my options at. Three and he,
goes great, player good hands in, leverage AND i, said,
Well mason reminds me of an angry pit, bull perpetual
motion and. Disruptor and he, said, yes, exactly huge reason
for The wolverine. Six the guy is. Incredible and that

(01:01:04):
comes from somebody who played in this league for over a. Decade,
yeah he.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
KNOWS i don't Think michigan doesn't win The national championship
two years. Ago if, not absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Not so, again no fight for. Me The giants can't
lose if they wind up With, Hunter carter Or. Graham
they cannot lose with any one of those three. Guys
as long as Again carter's. Healthy you can't lose with
anyone one of those three.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
GUYS i would even add the door in that category
BECAUSE i don't feel that. Way if you're taking then
obviously you have the conviction about. Him and, again AS
i just said a few minutes, ago if you have
conviction about a, quarterback you take the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
SWING i respect the, PROCESS i don't necessarily agree with
the evaluation of the. Player that's where the difference. Is
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