January 21, 2025 • 26 mins
John Schmeelk and Tony Pauline discuss the National Championship game between Ohio State and Notre Dame, and talk about prospects they are keeping an eye on going into the college football All-Star games.
:00 - National Championship
7:12 - Underclassmen at All-Star games
10:40 - Shrine Bowl preview
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It is now officially open. This is Draft Season presented
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Unlock Opportunity. Learn more in Moodies dot com. Hello everybody,
John Schmoke, Tony Pauline with you. Hope you guys are
doing well as we get ready for the Shrine Bowl
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and the Senior Bowl. Tony, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Up late last night watching the game, although I mean
you kind of knew early on which way the game
was going to and who the victor of the game
was gonna be. I think Ohio State kept Notre Dame
in that game a little a little bit longer than
they should have been, but it was, you know, what
we expected. And we'll talk about the game, and like
you leaving for Shrine Bowl practices this coming Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Absolutely and to couse. You can find all Tony's work
at sports Keida dot com. Check it out. Yeah, And
this what we'll do today, folks. We're gonna do the
review the National Championship Game. A lot of these guys
we've talked about it already, so we don't want to
spend too much time on that. It's gonna be a
little repetitive from prior shows. We're gonna talk about some
of the undergrads that are heading into both Shrine and
Senior Bowl. Then we're gonna do our Shrine preview today
and then next Monday, that's the day Tony and I
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are both traveling from Frisco to Mobile. Then our Senior
Bowl preview is going to land. The video will just
be Senior World Preview, but then the audio is gonna
include our reaction to the two days of Shrine Bowl
practice as well. We'll probably record that at some point
on Sunday afternoon, is my guest. So stay tuned all
of that. That's what's coming around Draft season, really busy
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time of year. We can't wait to get down there
and lay eyes on these guys in person and see
what they can do. All right, Tony, So let's get
to a national championship game. Last night you made it.
You know, I never really thought that game was in doubt.
There was never any question that, frankly, Notre Dames defense
was gonna be able to slow down Ohio State's offense
in that game. And I think you just saw the
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difference in talent quite frankly, between the two teams.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I think the only thing that slowed down the Ohio
State offense was Ohio State and some of the play calling.
I mean they kept running Will Howard on quarterback sneaks
when you had quin Shawn Jenkins back there, who had
had a terrific game. Oh, he was great the way
the way both he and Treyvon Henderson, who had a
big run early in the game, play off of each other.
But I think you know, from a scouting perspective, you
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have to like what you saw from both of the quarterbacks.
First you start with Riley Leonard. I mean that first drive,
a nine minute drive. They used the run to set
up the pass, and the runs were from Riley Leonard.
And then even late in the game, when you thought
there's no way Notre Dame's gonna come back, bad interference
call appenalty on David igman Nosen, who's had a ton
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of him this year. Riley Leonard keeps Notre game in
the game. I don't think he played masterfully, but I
think that's what is going to elevate him into the
second day of the draft. I said it last week.
We'll go, you know, we'll see what happens if he
plays in the Senior Bowl. He's scheduled, but you know,
if he's banged up, he may not show up. But
I think when you look at the athleticism, the arm strength,
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and just the leadership in tangibles because he basically he
was that offense last night because the offensive line was
banged up, the running game was banged up, and it
was all on his shoulders and he performed relatively well.
And you know he's got the upside because you know
he's got the athleticism. So you know, you go back
to our talk with Jim Nagy when we had Jim
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on about a month ago to preview the Senior Ball,
and Jim agreed that, you know, Riley Leonard, if he's
not the fastest rising quarterback, is one of the two
players at the position that is rising faster than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now, I'm with you one hundred percent, and I thought
both Ohio State running backs, Antoni, you gotta mentioned in
your first answer, you know, Jumkins showed that kind of
the quickness between the tackles, Henderson showed off the speed.
Your thoughts on those two guys, and out of curiosity,
which one do you think those first on draft weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I like Trayvon Henderson because he does so many things well,
because he's such an exceptional pass catcher out of the backfield,
he's such a big play threat. Depends on what you're
looking for Henderson does. I think Henderson is more what
the NFL wants in a running back today. But if
you are in that late second, early third round area
and you want that featured runner, you're looking for that
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guy that could potentially be your quote unquote number one
running back, You're gonna look towards Jenkins. If you want
the guy that you know you're gonna rotate in and
out of the lineup, third down specialist, put him on
first down, throw the ball to him out out of
the backfield, You're gonna go towards three one Henderson. Now,
Henderson does have a lot of injuries which you're gonna
have to be checked out through the combine process. I
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think it's what you're looking for. I lean towards Henderson,
although I understand the love towards.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Judkins absolutely, And there's one of the guy in on
how to state that that I want to mention JT
TOOMLAUI I thought during these four playoff games. Tony and
we talked about m during the year, and again, solid player,
didn't really bump his stock at all. Probably solid, you know,
second round type of player. Maybe in this draft they'll
sneak into the back end of the first But in
his four playoff games, twenty pressures, ten tackles for loss,
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six and a half sacks, one forced fumble, good against
the run. He really put an explanation point, I think
on his season with the way he played through these
college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Very athletic, and I think why I'm disappointed in him
is because I saw the film last year and I
expected more from him during the regular season. I mean,
he's not just a pen your ears type of guy
and rush up the field defensive end. He makes plays
out into space. He'll get down the line of scrimmage
and make plays against the run. Obviously, he's always been
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known as a good pass rusher. So I think, what's
gonna happen go back to the Combine. When you have
those Combine interviews, they're gonna say to him, well, why
don't you play the whole season like he played during
the four games of the playoffs. What went on there?
Are also going to say, you know, mention my guy,
Tyler Williams. I think team tuy Milowe and even Sawyer
to an extent had success because they Tyler Williams was
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consistently commanding double teams in the middle of the line.
He was consistently getting pressure, he was consistently forcing the
quarterback to move around, which I think made toy mal
Is and Sawyer's life a little bit easier, jobs a
little bit easier. But yeah, I mean I agree with you.
I mean, touy Miloa, Sawyer, and Tyler Williams have all
really up their game, uh in the four game play
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or the four games they played during the CFP playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
All right, anything else jump out of you from this
game or just the final football we're gonna see Tony
in terms of real college football this year. You want
to get out there before we jump over to the
other classmen.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know. Will Howard's another interesting one. Played incredibly well yesterday,
made a couple of big time passes. We'll get more.
I'll get him more when we get to the senior ball.
But he's got the arm, he's got the physical skills,
doesn't really move his head from the primary receiver quick enough,
which is a concern.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I talked about how in the game against Texas he
made a lot of dangerous throws. In the Cotton Bowl.
You didn't see that yesterday. I mean, he made some
really outstanding throws. And it's gonna be interesting because you know,
like Riley Leonard, he's a big guy with the next
level arm who can make all the throws, and somebody
may fall in love with him and take him earlier
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in the draft because you're gonna say, hey, this guy's
got all the physical tools. We're gonna teach him to
be a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
All right, Let's get to the underclassmen, and we've really
kind of had a large number of these guys. Tony
jump in now for both trin and Senior Bowl. Last year,
it was in effect, but it came in a little
bit later. Guys, Warren't is ready to do it this year.
I think, really the flullgates have opened in a good way,
and we should just know for fans. Tony and I
are recording this on Monday, so things can change between
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now and and when Shrine and Senior begin next week.
Guys they find out they have injuries, they can't go.
They change their minds, all that stuff. The guys in
the National Championship Game, they have decisions to make stole
in terms of what they want to do, So a
lot of these things can change. But we're operating in
terms of what we know, in terms of one point
fifteen on Monday here with these games will go. So
let's start here, Tony. I'm gonna got a little bit
of a different format with you give me your top
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five underclass when you're most excited to see in these
two All Star games. Then we can bring them down
a more specificity.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, I got to look at my list.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I mean, obviously the receiver from Stanford Layor who Ao
manor who everybody seems to love. I want to see
how complete his game is. Marcus Embell of Purdue, who
I think could definitely go in the first round. Likewise,
Emery Jones, the alphabatis is tackle from LSU, who I think,
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coming into the season was expected to be a potential
early first round choice some people, some scouts had him
greated as high as Will Campbell has not played well
this year. Josh Connolly, a guy that I've warned over
literally all season long. The left tackle from Oregon. Is
he a tackle? Is he his own blocking guard? Jalen
Milrow of course, who was announced for the Senior Bowl.
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I mean, that's been my guy, and I think as
when we get into our Senior Bowl preview, talk about
how you know what an opportunity it is for him.
I think Kenneth Grant playing in the Shrine Bowl. That's
you know, he's playing in the Shrine Bowl, which is
kind of you know, interesting, exciting, but it's a situation
where he best dominated.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Absolutely all, right, Tony, So we could dig into those
guys a little bit more if you want, or you
can go position by position or just what kind of court.
Try about all these underclassmen coming.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Out, no surprises.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I mean when I went to my list, you may
have three or four, three seniors go top twenty five.
Cam Ward of Miami of Ohio, Miami, Florida, Kayleek Williams
of Ohio State, Shannon Reveled. Depending on how his uh,
you know, how his medicals come back come back. Otherwise
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it's going to be, you know, an underclassman heavy drift
as it usually is, because what happens is the underclassmen
come out and that dissipas that dilutes the senior class.
I thought that Trevor eight the end entering the draft.
That kind of caught me by surprise. You and I
both liked him a lot coming into the season. He
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did not have the season as expected, suspension early on,
some injuries. He seemed to be a part time player
most of the year, most of the season in that
Georgia offense, rather than really picking up the ball and
carrying it per se, especially with all the problems Carson beckhad.
Was a little bit surprised by that. And as we
spoke about it, I think Jewel Law made the right
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decision by staying in rather than entering the draft.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, and we talked about quin yours, I believe, last week.
So that's one of the other class that we talked about.
So all right, though, those are the most of the
underclassman folks. And again we'll talk more about these guys
in detail. Most of those guys we talked about our
Senior Bowl players. So we'll talk about most of those
guys in detail. But we get to our Senior Bowl
preview next Monday. Let's get to the Shrining Bowl, Tony.
But there are some big players here too, and you
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mentioned one, and Kenneth Grant will get to him when
we get to the defensive tackles. But obviously all eyes
are going to be on the quarterback position. Shure Sanders
is going to be there. There's no beneficial announcement in
terms of what he's going to do. The rumors on
the internet. He's just gonna throw it on on ones.
He's not gonna do any competitive team stuff. That would
be too bad. We'll have to wait and see what
he does when we get there. But him, Kyle McCord,
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and there's a couple other guys you like to.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean, obviously there's gonna be a huge crowd
there around Shidorah Sanders. And I hope he does a lot.
I mean, I hope he really participates. Kyle mccordy, we've
talked about him, you know. I mentioned Riley Leonard as being,
if not the fastest riser at the quarterback position, one
of the two fastest risers at that spot. The other
one would be Kyle McCord, who transferred from Ohio State
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to Syracuse had a terrific season at Syracuse.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
He's got a big time arm.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I'm sure we're both gonna sit there and be wild
by the throws that he can make, the speed he
gets on passes, he can thread a needle. He can
be a little bit inaccurate. Times his passes do get
away from him. He also has that Will Howard disease,
probably even worse that he stares down the primary target
a lot. He really is slow to move his head
off the office number one receiver, So when they go
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into scrimmages, we'll be looking at that. And then cam Miller,
the quarterback from North Dakota State, a little bit smaller,
six foot one, maybe not even two hundred and ten pounds,
but a real productive passer who's got a decent arm,
throw some nice balls down the field. You know, in
those one on ones with cam Miller, you want to
see if he gets those long passes downfield with speed
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or the balls dying and the receivers has to have
to slow up and wait for the pass to get to.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Him, no question about. All right, let's jump to the
running back position here, Tony. A couple guys in terms
of one that we talked about even going back to
last year's draft season in Raheem Rocket Sanders.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Bigger back, but he's got some quickness to change the
scenery from Arkansas to South Carolina worked really well from
this season. A big productive, you know, basically run your
over type of ball carrier who's got some excellent short
area of quickness. When we're watching him in drill specifically,
is he stiff? Is he mobile? Is he able to
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you know, reach back and make the receptions? You want
to see his past catching hands because he was never
featured in that area. He's got to show that he's
more than a one dimensional downhill ball carrier.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
No question about it. Anybody else at the running back
position that has he excited?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, Corey Kiner, Cincinnati, keep an eye on him. He's
a bigger back, but he's also got excellent quickness. He's
got some creativity. He's got to burst in his game.
I think Kiner is a guy. This is a good
situation for him where if he has a good show,
I will help his draft stock. Now let's talk about
the pass catchers, Tony, and it's an odd year where
there might be more excitement over the tight end class
than the wide receiver class. Spare maybe a couple of
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guys at the top. Yeah, absolutely, we're not gonna We're
not gonna see any of the guys at the top
of the trying ball, but we're gonna see some real
good ones. I mean, you start with Aronde Gadson of Syracuse.
Who is he a big possession receiver? Is he a
move tight end? He can catch the ball, gats it,
So you want to see what he weighs in at.
Is he two hundred and thirty pounds or more? What
is his playing speed? Like you know has those loveline
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His father was a receiver from the Miami Dolphins for
all those years, and he catches the ball extremely well.
He's not a blocker. They never really asked him to
block at Syracuse, but they threw him the ball and
he did a terrific job. And remember, I believe he
played two games in twenty twenty three before suffering a
season ending injury and he's come back quite well. Speaking
of injuries, Luclas Shay of Iowa is going to be
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at the Shrine Ball. And here was a guy who,
after Laporta left Iowa, everyone said that is going to
be the next big time tight end out of Iowa,
suffered an injury, has seemed to struggle to get it back,
you know, to get back to where he was before
he went down. The quickness, the speed. He's a real
good pass catcher, but can he separate? Also, Quarter Runyon
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of Townsend. Carter Runyon is sort of in the Irondez
Gatson modle, but he's a little bit bigger, and you
know Mike Gatson. Carter Runyon was a receiver at thousand
before making the move to tight end this year, and
he's a real good pass catcher with him you I
want to see how he does in the blocking jewels.
Does he hold up? Does he show any strength? He
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can catch the ball. He's not bad at getting down
in the field either. But he a small school guy
from towsand's gonna show that he's got a complete game
if he's gonna be selected late in the draft.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I how about the wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Tony Jacry Brooks, the former Alabama transher played at Louisville.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Deceptively fast. I think he's got an underrated game.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I think this is a guy who's got a chance
to get into the late part of Day two. Not
a super speedster, but it's got enough speed to get
a downfield and beat defenders in a foot race six
to one, just about two hundred pounds, catches the ball
very well. Nick Nash we talked about him when Eric
was on the show. One hundred and four receptions, three
and eighty two yards, sixteen tds. A natural pass catcher
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coming off a phenomenal season. The question with him is
speed and quickness. How quick does he get off the line?
Is he a quick route runner, does he does he
have a burst to separate or is he just a
guy that catches the ball very well. If he can
put that all together, Nash, who was basically granted as
a street free agent coming into the season, could find
himself in the late rounds. And then finally, Ricky White
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of UNLV, former Michigan State receiver. That UNLV program had
a terrific campaign this year. White was one of the
leaders on offense. You know, sort of like a got
decent speed for a possession receiver, but it isn't great size.
But again, a real good pass catcher who late in
the late in the draft, sixth seventh round. If you're
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looking for your number four, number five receiver, White could
could be that guy if he shows well at the Shrineball.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
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go in front the big men on the offensive line.
You have a quartet of guys that you're excited to see.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, contrasting styles. And the first two guy Nash Jones,
who was someone we spoke about with Eric. Here's a
guy who wasn't on the scouting radar before the season.
Now everyone's talking about him as a late day three pick.
I mean, if you're looking for a power gap blocker,
that's Nash Jones. I think the one thing that's going
to stand out about him in the early port of
shrine practice is just the build. He's got an NFL
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line built, big, thick, lower body, powerful. You're not going
to ask him to move too much to the left
the righter get on the second level. But if you want,
you know, a pile driver as a run blocker, he's
your guy. Opposite of that is Luke Newman holy Crush,
transfer played Michigan State like his teammate last year. Holy Cross,
who was taken in sixth round, very athletic, very mobile,
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zone blocking guy.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Want to see how he holds up in those one
on ones.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And then during the scrimmage if they use him pulling
across the line of scrimmage, watch his athleticism. As a
poll at Washington State, a guy who was great as
a street free agent coming into the season by scouts.
I like this game. He's a bigger guy, he's strong,
he's mobile. Glad that he's getting the credit, the credit
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that he deserves. And then Joshua Gray of Oregon State.
Joshua were coming into the two thousand and three season,
twenty twenty three season was graded higher by scouts than
the least Fuega. It's just a Fuega had a phenomenal
twenty twenty three, ended up and went into the draft.
Was a mid first round pick by the New Orleans Stints.
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Joshua Gray went back for another year at Oregon State.
Played tackle Oregon State was used to guard this year.
Some people project him at center. So with Gray, want
to see how he does at the center spot. Kenny Snap,
is he snapping efficiently? Because the center class this year
does not look good at all.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
As we dig into this draft, Tony over the next
couple of months, I think people will find that it's
the defensive line slash edge class that is really the
strongest part of the draft class. There's a lot of
really good players and that's so deep and my goodness,
just to look ahead to the Senior Bowl preview next week.
I think on the Senior Bowl preview you had around
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eight guys listed on your list you want to talk about.
I had an additional five, so that's like a dozen
guys and there's a good here. And you mentioned Kenneth
Tran earlier at Trine as well that are going to
get drafted.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Very excited watching the defensive lineman edge rushers at the
Shrine Bowl. Talked about Kenneth Grant, and you know, we've
talked about him all season long. Everyone talks about Mason Graham,
who is a real safe pick, is going to be
a very early selection. Kenneth Grant probably has more upside
than Mason Grant because of the size, because of the athleticism,
he can be a one man wrecking crew. This is
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a major get for the Shrine Ball. Want to see
Grant go out there and basically he has to dominate.
He has to dominate at this game, and if he does,
he's going to be a mid first round choice. Jordan
Phillips of Maryland is a guy who I spoke at
well for third year sophomore. I think he's very underrated.
More of your natural, zero technique, nose tackle type of prospect.
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Does the dirty work on the inside, collects double team blocks,
which allows his teammates on the outside to make plays
on the ball. I think he's a little bit more
athletic than given credit for, but it's going to be
enjoyable to watch him in those one on ones. Able
to move him off the ball? Does he consistently bull
rush players into the backfield? Fadil Diggs of Syracuse. I
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don't know why this guy doesn't get more credit. Texas
is transferred over from Texas A and M. You watch
the Syracuse film, you can't help but not notice number ten.
He's all over the place, making plays out of a
three point stance, standing over tackle, athleticism, speed, not just
a pass rusher, but someone who will get out in
the out to the flanks, out to the signings in
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pursuit and run down ball characters from the backside. So
this guy can do a lot of different things. I
expect him the test very well. I think he's going
to be terror Trimbull practices. Ahmad Hassanian, a Boise State,
spoke about him when the college playoff College football playoffs started.
Real good pass rusher coming out of Boys to State
goes about six three and seventy pounds more of your
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defensive end in a conventional format line, but he can
get up the field and make a lot of plays.
Small school guy Elijah Ponder out of cal Poly again
sort of like Fideel Diggs in a sense that you
can standover tackle. He can come out of a three
point stands with a terror of a pass rusher on
the one double a FCS level, very athletic, can also
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be used off the line of scrimmage. And then finally,
Joe Evans of Texas San Antonio six two and a
half three hundred and forty two pounds. I believe he's
a transfer from LSU. He's a guy who looks like
a mountain of a man. He's the guy who shows
brilliance and dominance and spurts, but he never really does
it on a consistent basis, And I think scouts are
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a little bit disappointed with him. He's gonna have to
do it here. He's gonna have to answer some questions
as to why he wasn't as dominant as scouts thought.
But he's got the body type to be a natural
nose tackle. And he's not a bad athlete either.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You know, every year feel like I feel like we
come into these drafts Tony are like, Yeah, the off
ball linebacker class is just not great, and I just
think it's a really tough position in college should develop
given the schemes. But what do you think about this
group at Shrine?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, Carson Bruder Washington. I mean, if you watch Washington
football for the last three years, another guy you can't help
not notice. He plays like his hairs on fire. He's
explosive up the field, He's great sideline to sideline, covers
a lot of area, outstanding in pursuit, also has some
cover skills. So I think right now you're looking at
a midday three pick. You know, with these off the
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ball linebackers, especially, what you want to see is how
they do when the coverage rules in those one on
one covered duels against the tight ends, against the running backs.
Can they flip their hips, can they run downfield with
these guys, do they have ball skills? You know that
they get their head back around. Runer has all the
underlying skills to be able to do that. He just
has to show as much during shrinebol practices. Jaman Dumas Johnson,
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former Georgia linebacker who transferred to Kentucky. More of your
traditional strong side linebacker. Not that great in coverage, not
bad coverages, not great in coverage, but a real tough,
punching him out type of linebacker stout against the run,
forces the action up the field. And someone we spoke
about earlier, Aaron Smith out of South Carolina State. Smaller
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pursuit guy, sideline to sideline. Maybe he measures in at
six feet two hundred and twenty five pounds, but he
plays bigger, doesn't back down to a challenge. A real
fun guy to watch. I think he's got potential as
a late round pick special teams guy.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
All right, toy, let's go to the defensive backs that'll
be covering some of those pass catches we talked about.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Start with RJ. Mickens, the safety from Clemson.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Here's the guy who just makes play after play against
the pass against the run of Clemson it's not the
fastest guy in the world. Scouts are estimating estimating he's
a four or five to five guy. But he's got
it going on between the ears that he doesn't have
mental lapses, and he covers a lot of area on
the field, does a great job working with his cornerbacks,
you know, like those off ball linebackers, a safety like
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ar Mickens. When they do those one on one pass
catching droes with the receivers, he's got to show some
ball skills. He's got to show that they go flip
hips and transition, run down field with the opponents, with
the opposing receivers, get his head back around, follow him
out of their breaks. He's very good facing the But
now when they do those one and he has he
did a decent shob when a few times they placed
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them over the slot receiver. Now he's got to show
with there in practice. Glendon Miller, another Maryland kid, was
great as a as a low level free agent coming
into the season. Primarily played nickelback at Maryland. Was never
really a primary cover corner, but he's got great ball skills,
very feisty, very very physical. Here's an opportunity again in
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those one on ones to show he's got the ball
skills to play on the outside on a consistent basis,
And justin Wally out of Minnesota, a big physical corner
with terrific ball skills constantly making plays against the past
shows the ability to stay with receivers out of their
breaks on their hip. You know, not a guy that
gets called for a lot of past interference penalties, but
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a guy's got really good ball skills.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Tell you just closing thoughts on Shrine before we wrap
things up, or you have going on to sports Ski
that you want fans to keep an eye on.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Well, obviously, Shan the one thing, one good thing about
Shrine and Senior Bowl Week is it's the first time
that the scouting community and the teams get together as
a group. So there's always a lot of you know,
rumors and buzz out there, and I'm sure we're gonna
be We'll have it at sports Gatar. I know we
will have it at Sportsketa every day during triboat practices
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as well as a breakdown of how the players have looked.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So, Tony, you're telling me, scouts get together at bars,
get buzzed, which then creates buzz with people like you
is basically what you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Ah well, I don't hang out at bars too much,
but yeah, yeah, I mean something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
We will be there to cover it right here on
Draft Season as well. Again, Tony and I will be
hitting out on Friday. First practice is Saturday, and Sunday
I'll be there for that. I think Tony, you're sticking
around for most of Monday's practice too, correct before you
go to Mobile or not.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I'm sticking around, I mean unless something happens. The intention
is to be at boat practices on Monday, then bust
down to Dallas Fort what a DFW airport and get
on a plane and fly with a mobile.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, and then I will be at Mobile. I'll be
flying out Monday morning. I'll be at Mobile, will set
up all our stuff and then we'll have covered to
the Senior Bowl all week, coming back on Thursday night.
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Unlock Opportunity. Learn more in Moodies dot com. Hello everybody,
John Schmoke, Tony Pauline with you. Hope you guys are
doing well as we get ready for the Shrine Bowl
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and the Senior Bowl. Tony, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Up late last night watching the game, although I mean
you kind of knew early on which way the game
was going to and who the victor of the game
was gonna be. I think Ohio State kept Notre Dame
in that game a little a little bit longer than
they should have been, but it was, you know, what
we expected. And we'll talk about the game, and like
you leaving for Shrine Bowl practices this coming Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Absolutely and to couse. You can find all Tony's work
at sports Keida dot com. Check it out. Yeah, And
this what we'll do today, folks. We're gonna do the
review the National Championship Game. A lot of these guys
we've talked about it already, so we don't want to
spend too much time on that. It's gonna be a
little repetitive from prior shows. We're gonna talk about some
of the undergrads that are heading into both Shrine and
Senior Bowl. Then we're gonna do our Shrine preview today
and then next Monday, that's the day Tony and I
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are both traveling from Frisco to Mobile. Then our Senior
Bowl preview is going to land. The video will just
be Senior World Preview, but then the audio is gonna
include our reaction to the two days of Shrine Bowl
practice as well. We'll probably record that at some point
on Sunday afternoon, is my guest. So stay tuned all
of that. That's what's coming around Draft season, really busy
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time of year. We can't wait to get down there
and lay eyes on these guys in person and see
what they can do. All right, Tony, So let's get
to a national championship game. Last night you made it.
You know, I never really thought that game was in doubt.
There was never any question that, frankly, Notre Dames defense
was gonna be able to slow down Ohio State's offense
in that game. And I think you just saw the
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difference in talent quite frankly, between the two teams.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I think the only thing that slowed down the Ohio
State offense was Ohio State and some of the play calling.
I mean they kept running Will Howard on quarterback sneaks
when you had quin Shawn Jenkins back there, who had
had a terrific game. Oh, he was great the way
the way both he and Treyvon Henderson, who had a
big run early in the game, play off of each other.
But I think you know, from a scouting perspective, you
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have to like what you saw from both of the quarterbacks.
First you start with Riley Leonard. I mean that first drive,
a nine minute drive. They used the run to set
up the pass, and the runs were from Riley Leonard.
And then even late in the game, when you thought
there's no way Notre Dame's gonna come back, bad interference
call appenalty on David igman Nosen, who's had a ton
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of him this year. Riley Leonard keeps Notre game in
the game. I don't think he played masterfully, but I
think that's what is going to elevate him into the
second day of the draft. I said it last week.
We'll go, you know, we'll see what happens if he
plays in the Senior Bowl. He's scheduled, but you know,
if he's banged up, he may not show up. But
I think when you look at the athleticism, the arm strength,
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and just the leadership in tangibles because he basically he
was that offense last night because the offensive line was
banged up, the running game was banged up, and it
was all on his shoulders and he performed relatively well.
And you know he's got the upside because you know
he's got the athleticism. So you know, you go back
to our talk with Jim Nagy when we had Jim
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on about a month ago to preview the Senior Ball,
and Jim agreed that, you know, Riley Leonard, if he's
not the fastest rising quarterback, is one of the two
players at the position that is rising faster than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now, I'm with you one hundred percent, and I thought
both Ohio State running backs, Antoni, you gotta mentioned in
your first answer, you know, Jumkins showed that kind of
the quickness between the tackles, Henderson showed off the speed.
Your thoughts on those two guys, and out of curiosity,
which one do you think those first on draft weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I like Trayvon Henderson because he does so many things well,
because he's such an exceptional pass catcher out of the backfield,
he's such a big play threat. Depends on what you're
looking for Henderson does. I think Henderson is more what
the NFL wants in a running back today. But if
you are in that late second, early third round area
and you want that featured runner, you're looking for that
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guy that could potentially be your quote unquote number one
running back, You're gonna look towards Jenkins. If you want
the guy that you know you're gonna rotate in and
out of the lineup, third down specialist, put him on
first down, throw the ball to him out out of
the backfield, You're gonna go towards three one Henderson. Now,
Henderson does have a lot of injuries which you're gonna
have to be checked out through the combine process. I
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think it's what you're looking for. I lean towards Henderson,
although I understand the love towards.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Judkins absolutely, And there's one of the guy in on
how to state that that I want to mention JT
TOOMLAUI I thought during these four playoff games. Tony and
we talked about m during the year, and again, solid player,
didn't really bump his stock at all. Probably solid, you know,
second round type of player. Maybe in this draft they'll
sneak into the back end of the first But in
his four playoff games, twenty pressures, ten tackles for loss,
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six and a half sacks, one forced fumble, good against
the run. He really put an explanation point, I think
on his season with the way he played through these
college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Very athletic, and I think why I'm disappointed in him
is because I saw the film last year and I
expected more from him during the regular season. I mean,
he's not just a pen your ears type of guy
and rush up the field defensive end. He makes plays
out into space. He'll get down the line of scrimmage
and make plays against the run. Obviously, he's always been
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known as a good pass rusher. So I think, what's
gonna happen go back to the Combine. When you have
those Combine interviews, they're gonna say to him, well, why
don't you play the whole season like he played during
the four games of the playoffs. What went on there?
Are also going to say, you know, mention my guy,
Tyler Williams. I think team tuy Milowe and even Sawyer
to an extent had success because they Tyler Williams was
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consistently commanding double teams in the middle of the line.
He was consistently getting pressure, he was consistently forcing the
quarterback to move around, which I think made toy mal
Is and Sawyer's life a little bit easier, jobs a
little bit easier. But yeah, I mean I agree with you.
I mean, touy Miloa, Sawyer, and Tyler Williams have all
really up their game, uh in the four game play
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or the four games they played during the CFP playoffs.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
All right, anything else jump out of you from this
game or just the final football we're gonna see Tony
in terms of real college football this year. You want
to get out there before we jump over to the
other classmen.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know. Will Howard's another interesting one. Played incredibly well yesterday,
made a couple of big time passes. We'll get more.
I'll get him more when we get to the senior ball.
But he's got the arm, he's got the physical skills,
doesn't really move his head from the primary receiver quick enough,
which is a concern.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I talked about how in the game against Texas he
made a lot of dangerous throws. In the Cotton Bowl.
You didn't see that yesterday. I mean, he made some
really outstanding throws. And it's gonna be interesting because you know,
like Riley Leonard, he's a big guy with the next
level arm who can make all the throws, and somebody
may fall in love with him and take him earlier
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in the draft because you're gonna say, hey, this guy's
got all the physical tools. We're gonna teach him to
be a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
All right, Let's get to the underclassmen, and we've really
kind of had a large number of these guys. Tony
jump in now for both trin and Senior Bowl. Last year,
it was in effect, but it came in a little
bit later. Guys, Warren't is ready to do it this year.
I think, really the flullgates have opened in a good way,
and we should just know for fans. Tony and I
are recording this on Monday, so things can change between
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now and and when Shrine and Senior begin next week.
Guys they find out they have injuries, they can't go.
They change their minds, all that stuff. The guys in
the National Championship Game, they have decisions to make stole
in terms of what they want to do, So a
lot of these things can change. But we're operating in
terms of what we know, in terms of one point
fifteen on Monday here with these games will go. So
let's start here, Tony. I'm gonna got a little bit
of a different format with you give me your top
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five underclass when you're most excited to see in these
two All Star games. Then we can bring them down
a more specificity.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, I got to look at my list.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I mean, obviously the receiver from Stanford Layor who Ao
manor who everybody seems to love. I want to see
how complete his game is. Marcus Embell of Purdue, who
I think could definitely go in the first round. Likewise,
Emery Jones, the alphabatis is tackle from LSU, who I think,
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coming into the season was expected to be a potential
early first round choice some people, some scouts had him
greated as high as Will Campbell has not played well
this year. Josh Connolly, a guy that I've warned over
literally all season long. The left tackle from Oregon. Is
he a tackle? Is he his own blocking guard? Jalen
Milrow of course, who was announced for the Senior Bowl.
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I mean, that's been my guy, and I think as
when we get into our Senior Bowl preview, talk about
how you know what an opportunity it is for him.
I think Kenneth Grant playing in the Shrine Bowl. That's
you know, he's playing in the Shrine Bowl, which is
kind of you know, interesting, exciting, but it's a situation
where he best dominated.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Absolutely all, right, Tony, So we could dig into those
guys a little bit more if you want, or you
can go position by position or just what kind of court.
Try about all these underclassmen coming.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Out, no surprises.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I mean when I went to my list, you may
have three or four, three seniors go top twenty five.
Cam Ward of Miami of Ohio, Miami, Florida, Kayleek Williams
of Ohio State, Shannon Reveled. Depending on how his uh,
you know, how his medicals come back come back. Otherwise
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it's going to be, you know, an underclassman heavy drift
as it usually is, because what happens is the underclassmen
come out and that dissipas that dilutes the senior class.
I thought that Trevor eight the end entering the draft.
That kind of caught me by surprise. You and I
both liked him a lot coming into the season. He
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did not have the season as expected, suspension early on,
some injuries. He seemed to be a part time player
most of the year, most of the season in that
Georgia offense, rather than really picking up the ball and
carrying it per se, especially with all the problems Carson beckhad.
Was a little bit surprised by that. And as we
spoke about it, I think Jewel Law made the right
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decision by staying in rather than entering the draft.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, and we talked about quin yours, I believe, last week.
So that's one of the other class that we talked about.
So all right, though, those are the most of the
underclassman folks. And again we'll talk more about these guys
in detail. Most of those guys we talked about our
Senior Bowl players. So we'll talk about most of those
guys in detail. But we get to our Senior Bowl
preview next Monday. Let's get to the Shrining Bowl, Tony.
But there are some big players here too, and you
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mentioned one, and Kenneth Grant will get to him when
we get to the defensive tackles. But obviously all eyes
are going to be on the quarterback position. Shure Sanders
is going to be there. There's no beneficial announcement in
terms of what he's going to do. The rumors on
the internet. He's just gonna throw it on on ones.
He's not gonna do any competitive team stuff. That would
be too bad. We'll have to wait and see what
he does when we get there. But him, Kyle McCord,
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and there's a couple other guys you like to.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean, obviously there's gonna be a huge crowd
there around Shidorah Sanders. And I hope he does a lot.
I mean, I hope he really participates. Kyle mccordy, we've
talked about him, you know. I mentioned Riley Leonard as being,
if not the fastest riser at the quarterback position, one
of the two fastest risers at that spot. The other
one would be Kyle McCord, who transferred from Ohio State
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to Syracuse had a terrific season at Syracuse.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
He's got a big time arm.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I'm sure we're both gonna sit there and be wild
by the throws that he can make, the speed he
gets on passes, he can thread a needle. He can
be a little bit inaccurate. Times his passes do get
away from him. He also has that Will Howard disease,
probably even worse that he stares down the primary target
a lot. He really is slow to move his head
off the office number one receiver, So when they go
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into scrimmages, we'll be looking at that. And then cam Miller,
the quarterback from North Dakota State, a little bit smaller,
six foot one, maybe not even two hundred and ten pounds,
but a real productive passer who's got a decent arm,
throw some nice balls down the field. You know, in
those one on ones with cam Miller, you want to
see if he gets those long passes downfield with speed
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or the balls dying and the receivers has to have
to slow up and wait for the pass to get to.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Him, no question about. All right, let's jump to the
running back position here, Tony. A couple guys in terms
of one that we talked about even going back to
last year's draft season in Raheem Rocket Sanders.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Bigger back, but he's got some quickness to change the
scenery from Arkansas to South Carolina worked really well from
this season. A big productive, you know, basically run your
over type of ball carrier who's got some excellent short
area of quickness. When we're watching him in drill specifically,
is he stiff? Is he mobile? Is he able to
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you know, reach back and make the receptions? You want
to see his past catching hands because he was never
featured in that area. He's got to show that he's
more than a one dimensional downhill ball carrier.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
No question about it. Anybody else at the running back
position that has he excited?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, Corey Kiner, Cincinnati, keep an eye on him. He's
a bigger back, but he's also got excellent quickness. He's
got some creativity. He's got to burst in his game.
I think Kiner is a guy. This is a good
situation for him where if he has a good show,
I will help his draft stock. Now let's talk about
the pass catchers, Tony, and it's an odd year where
there might be more excitement over the tight end class
than the wide receiver class. Spare maybe a couple of
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guys at the top. Yeah, absolutely, we're not gonna We're
not gonna see any of the guys at the top
of the trying ball, but we're gonna see some real
good ones. I mean, you start with Aronde Gadson of Syracuse.
Who is he a big possession receiver? Is he a
move tight end? He can catch the ball, gats it,
So you want to see what he weighs in at.
Is he two hundred and thirty pounds or more? What
is his playing speed? Like you know has those loveline
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His father was a receiver from the Miami Dolphins for
all those years, and he catches the ball extremely well.
He's not a blocker. They never really asked him to
block at Syracuse, but they threw him the ball and
he did a terrific job. And remember, I believe he
played two games in twenty twenty three before suffering a
season ending injury and he's come back quite well. Speaking
of injuries, Luclas Shay of Iowa is going to be
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at the Shrine Ball. And here was a guy who,
after Laporta left Iowa, everyone said that is going to
be the next big time tight end out of Iowa,
suffered an injury, has seemed to struggle to get it back,
you know, to get back to where he was before
he went down. The quickness, the speed. He's a real
good pass catcher, but can he separate? Also, Quarter Runyon
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of Townsend. Carter Runyon is sort of in the Irondez
Gatson modle, but he's a little bit bigger, and you
know Mike Gatson. Carter Runyon was a receiver at thousand
before making the move to tight end this year, and
he's a real good pass catcher with him you I
want to see how he does in the blocking jewels.
Does he hold up? Does he show any strength? He
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can catch the ball. He's not bad at getting down
in the field either. But he a small school guy
from towsand's gonna show that he's got a complete game
if he's gonna be selected late in the draft.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I how about the wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Tony Jacry Brooks, the former Alabama transher played at Louisville.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Deceptively fast. I think he's got an underrated game.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I think this is a guy who's got a chance
to get into the late part of Day two. Not
a super speedster, but it's got enough speed to get
a downfield and beat defenders in a foot race six
to one, just about two hundred pounds, catches the ball
very well. Nick Nash we talked about him when Eric
was on the show. One hundred and four receptions, three
and eighty two yards, sixteen tds. A natural pass catcher
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coming off a phenomenal season. The question with him is
speed and quickness. How quick does he get off the line?
Is he a quick route runner, does he does he
have a burst to separate or is he just a
guy that catches the ball very well. If he can
put that all together, Nash, who was basically granted as
a street free agent coming into the season, could find
himself in the late rounds. And then finally, Ricky White
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of UNLV, former Michigan State receiver. That UNLV program had
a terrific campaign this year. White was one of the
leaders on offense. You know, sort of like a got
decent speed for a possession receiver, but it isn't great size.
But again, a real good pass catcher who late in
the late in the draft, sixth seventh round. If you're
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looking for your number four, number five receiver, White could
could be that guy if he shows well at the Shrineball.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
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go in front the big men on the offensive line.
You have a quartet of guys that you're excited to see.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, contrasting styles. And the first two guy Nash Jones,
who was someone we spoke about with Eric. Here's a
guy who wasn't on the scouting radar before the season.
Now everyone's talking about him as a late day three pick.
I mean, if you're looking for a power gap blocker,
that's Nash Jones. I think the one thing that's going
to stand out about him in the early port of
shrine practice is just the build. He's got an NFL
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line built, big, thick, lower body, powerful. You're not going
to ask him to move too much to the left
the righter get on the second level. But if you want,
you know, a pile driver as a run blocker, he's
your guy. Opposite of that is Luke Newman holy Crush,
transfer played Michigan State like his teammate last year. Holy Cross,
who was taken in sixth round, very athletic, very mobile,
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zone blocking guy.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Want to see how he holds up in those one
on ones.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And then during the scrimmage if they use him pulling
across the line of scrimmage, watch his athleticism. As a
poll at Washington State, a guy who was great as
a street free agent coming into the season by scouts.
I like this game. He's a bigger guy, he's strong,
he's mobile. Glad that he's getting the credit, the credit
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that he deserves. And then Joshua Gray of Oregon State.
Joshua were coming into the two thousand and three season,
twenty twenty three season was graded higher by scouts than
the least Fuega. It's just a Fuega had a phenomenal
twenty twenty three, ended up and went into the draft.
Was a mid first round pick by the New Orleans Stints.
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Joshua Gray went back for another year at Oregon State.
Played tackle Oregon State was used to guard this year.
Some people project him at center. So with Gray, want
to see how he does at the center spot. Kenny Snap,
is he snapping efficiently? Because the center class this year
does not look good at all.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
As we dig into this draft, Tony over the next
couple of months, I think people will find that it's
the defensive line slash edge class that is really the
strongest part of the draft class. There's a lot of
really good players and that's so deep and my goodness,
just to look ahead to the Senior Bowl preview next week.
I think on the Senior Bowl preview you had around
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eight guys listed on your list you want to talk about.
I had an additional five, so that's like a dozen
guys and there's a good here. And you mentioned Kenneth
Tran earlier at Trine as well that are going to
get drafted.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Very excited watching the defensive lineman edge rushers at the
Shrine Bowl. Talked about Kenneth Grant, and you know, we've
talked about him all season long. Everyone talks about Mason Graham,
who is a real safe pick, is going to be
a very early selection. Kenneth Grant probably has more upside
than Mason Grant because of the size, because of the athleticism,
he can be a one man wrecking crew. This is
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a major get for the Shrine Ball. Want to see
Grant go out there and basically he has to dominate.
He has to dominate at this game, and if he does,
he's going to be a mid first round choice. Jordan
Phillips of Maryland is a guy who I spoke at
well for third year sophomore. I think he's very underrated.
More of your natural, zero technique, nose tackle type of prospect.
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Does the dirty work on the inside, collects double team blocks,
which allows his teammates on the outside to make plays
on the ball. I think he's a little bit more
athletic than given credit for, but it's going to be
enjoyable to watch him in those one on ones. Able
to move him off the ball? Does he consistently bull
rush players into the backfield? Fadil Diggs of Syracuse. I
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don't know why this guy doesn't get more credit. Texas
is transferred over from Texas A and M. You watch
the Syracuse film, you can't help but not notice number ten.
He's all over the place, making plays out of a
three point stance, standing over tackle, athleticism, speed, not just
a pass rusher, but someone who will get out in
the out to the flanks, out to the signings in
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pursuit and run down ball characters from the backside. So
this guy can do a lot of different things. I
expect him the test very well. I think he's going
to be terror Trimbull practices. Ahmad Hassanian, a Boise State,
spoke about him when the college playoff College football playoffs started.
Real good pass rusher coming out of Boys to State
goes about six three and seventy pounds more of your
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defensive end in a conventional format line, but he can
get up the field and make a lot of plays.
Small school guy Elijah Ponder out of cal Poly again
sort of like Fideel Diggs in a sense that you
can standover tackle. He can come out of a three
point stands with a terror of a pass rusher on
the one double a FCS level, very athletic, can also
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be used off the line of scrimmage. And then finally,
Joe Evans of Texas San Antonio six two and a
half three hundred and forty two pounds. I believe he's
a transfer from LSU. He's a guy who looks like
a mountain of a man. He's the guy who shows
brilliance and dominance and spurts, but he never really does
it on a consistent basis, And I think scouts are
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a little bit disappointed with him. He's gonna have to
do it here. He's gonna have to answer some questions
as to why he wasn't as dominant as scouts thought.
But he's got the body type to be a natural
nose tackle. And he's not a bad athlete either.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You know, every year feel like I feel like we
come into these drafts Tony are like, Yeah, the off
ball linebacker class is just not great, and I just
think it's a really tough position in college should develop
given the schemes. But what do you think about this
group at Shrine?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, Carson Bruder Washington. I mean, if you watch Washington
football for the last three years, another guy you can't help
not notice. He plays like his hairs on fire. He's
explosive up the field, He's great sideline to sideline, covers
a lot of area, outstanding in pursuit, also has some
cover skills. So I think right now you're looking at
a midday three pick. You know, with these off the
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ball linebackers, especially, what you want to see is how
they do when the coverage rules in those one on
one covered duels against the tight ends, against the running backs.
Can they flip their hips, can they run downfield with
these guys, do they have ball skills? You know that
they get their head back around. Runer has all the
underlying skills to be able to do that. He just
has to show as much during shrinebol practices. Jaman Dumas Johnson,
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former Georgia linebacker who transferred to Kentucky. More of your
traditional strong side linebacker. Not that great in coverage, not
bad coverages, not great in coverage, but a real tough,
punching him out type of linebacker stout against the run,
forces the action up the field. And someone we spoke
about earlier, Aaron Smith out of South Carolina State. Smaller
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pursuit guy, sideline to sideline. Maybe he measures in at
six feet two hundred and twenty five pounds, but he
plays bigger, doesn't back down to a challenge. A real
fun guy to watch. I think he's got potential as
a late round pick special teams guy.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
All right, toy, let's go to the defensive backs that'll
be covering some of those pass catches we talked about.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Start with RJ. Mickens, the safety from Clemson.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Here's the guy who just makes play after play against
the pass against the run of Clemson it's not the
fastest guy in the world. Scouts are estimating estimating he's
a four or five to five guy. But he's got
it going on between the ears that he doesn't have
mental lapses, and he covers a lot of area on
the field, does a great job working with his cornerbacks,
you know, like those off ball linebackers, a safety like
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ar Mickens. When they do those one on one pass
catching droes with the receivers, he's got to show some
ball skills. He's got to show that they go flip
hips and transition, run down field with the opponents, with
the opposing receivers, get his head back around, follow him
out of their breaks. He's very good facing the But
now when they do those one and he has he
did a decent shob when a few times they placed
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them over the slot receiver. Now he's got to show
with there in practice. Glendon Miller, another Maryland kid, was
great as a as a low level free agent coming
into the season. Primarily played nickelback at Maryland. Was never
really a primary cover corner, but he's got great ball skills,
very feisty, very very physical. Here's an opportunity again in
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those one on ones to show he's got the ball
skills to play on the outside on a consistent basis,
And justin Wally out of Minnesota, a big physical corner
with terrific ball skills constantly making plays against the past
shows the ability to stay with receivers out of their
breaks on their hip. You know, not a guy that
gets called for a lot of past interference penalties, but
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a guy's got really good ball skills.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Tell you just closing thoughts on Shrine before we wrap
things up, or you have going on to sports Ski
that you want fans to keep an eye on.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Well, obviously, Shan the one thing, one good thing about
Shrine and Senior Bowl Week is it's the first time
that the scouting community and the teams get together as
a group. So there's always a lot of you know,
rumors and buzz out there, and I'm sure we're gonna
be We'll have it at sports Gatar. I know we
will have it at Sportsketa every day during triboat practices
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as well as a breakdown of how the players have looked.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So, Tony, you're telling me, scouts get together at bars,
get buzzed, which then creates buzz with people like you
is basically what you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Ah well, I don't hang out at bars too much,
but yeah, yeah, I mean something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
We will be there to cover it right here on
Draft Season as well. Again, Tony and I will be
hitting out on Friday. First practice is Saturday, and Sunday
I'll be there for that. I think Tony, you're sticking
around for most of Monday's practice too, correct before you
go to Mobile or not.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I'm sticking around, I mean unless something happens. The intention
is to be at boat practices on Monday, then bust
down to Dallas Fort what a DFW airport and get
on a plane and fly with a mobile.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, and then I will be at Mobile. I'll be
flying out Monday morning. I'll be at Mobile, will set
up all our stuff and then we'll have covered to
the Senior Bowl all week, coming back on Thursday night.
So that'll be fun. Thanks everybody for joining us on
this edition of Draft Season again, brought to you by Moody's,
a proud partner of the New York Football Giants for
Tony pollingum John Schmulk. You to subscribe to Draft Season
on your favorite podcast platform or watch us on the
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Giants YouTube channel or go to the Giants app, giants
dot com, slash podcast, a bunch of ways to find us.
Thanks for being with us, everybody. Enjoy your week, Try
to stay warm out there, and we'll see you next time.
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