April 14, 2025 • 50 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk sits down with Bruce Feldman, writer for Fox Sports and The Athletic, to discuss his first round mock draft, his quarterback rankings, and the best prospects at each position.
:00 - Quarterbacks
10:44 - Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter
18:19 - More non-QB prospects
30:46 - WRs and pass rushers
39:06 - Offensive linemen
46:05 - Draft sleepers
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
John Schmelk with you today.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We are joined by Front of the Program always joins
us twice a year, once when his Freaks List comes out,
the other time when his mock draft is released in April.
And that's Bruce Feldman from The Athletic and Fox Sports.
And now we welcome in the great Bruce Feldman. He
works for Fox Sports. He writes and covers college football
for The Athletic.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Bruce.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
John Smelk here in East Brother for New Jersey. A
pleasure to talk to you is always my friend.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm doing great, John, Good. Good to see you.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Good to see the logo that I grew up seeing
as somebody in the Northeast.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And I love this time of year with the draft well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And in addition to all your usual content, you just
had your mock draft go up on the athletic you
do only one each year. And look, Bruce, I'll be
honest with you, I don't care who we have going
to each team. It's the nuggets within each selection from
you interview all the opposing coaches, assistants, head coaches that
go up against these guys, and I think you get
some really good stuff from them. So I want to
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get through as many of the players as we can.
Do you even learn some stuff about these players that
you didn't know when you go through this process to
kind of get all this knowledge together about these guys.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Oh absolutely, because again, some of these guys I talked
to during the course of the year. Sometimes I don't
get around to them until maybe March when I work
on this and it's good to reconnect with people. But
then there are guys you think you know something about
and then you find out, oh, why did this guy have, like,
you know, a huge day against this team, And then
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all of a sudden, you talk to a position coach
he was like, yeah, we had injuries, we had to
play a third team cornerback who's a borderline walk on.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Don't read too much into that game or.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Don't you know, like you just get kind of more
of a or this kid was playing hurt. It looked like,
you know, there's a reason why guy who normally runs
four or five five probably ran a four nine that day.
And that's why maybe that you know, don't you know,
look at the other film with this kid, or you
just get way more context and perspective. You know, I
got really some really interesting stuff on armand Membo the
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offensive lineman from Missouri, and you know, like South Carolina
has a great true freshman this past year, edge rusher
who everybody raves about. Membo just you know, like abused
him in that matchup, and I think sometimes you hear
more about that when you talk to coaches who watch
that and like, whoa, you know, that's that's a real
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guy that he's going up against, whereas maybe some other
guys who are who are projected first round offensive line
and they may not see those kinds of guys or
those kinds of athletes, you know, weekend and week out
or more than once a season.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And you do a Membo going ahead of Will Cammell
and your mock draft, by the way, which I think
is interesting and I should point out as well that
after you folks listen to our live draft coverage on Thursday,
and after the Giants pick at three, you should go
tune into the Athletic Bruce will be joining Robert Mays
and Dan Brugler and Derek Klassen, who do a really
good job cover in the draft on the Athletics coverage
on that Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
All right, Bruce, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Cam Ward at this want you know, the Giants ain't
getting him like the Titans are picking cam Ward. But
I did think it was interesting in the blur of
you having to mention that from what you understood, the
Giants did have a lot of interesting cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, that's what I was told.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I think their leadership had checked him out even down
around the ball prep and was very impressed with him.
I think this is not a great quarterback draft class.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's nothing close to what we had last year.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
But to me, there's a bigger gap between cam Ward
and whoever's number two, then number two to number three,
number four. I think, you know, his arm talent is
much better. He's got a pretty clean bill of health
relative to the rest of his you know, college career.
He's physically mature, personality wise. Talked to the Miami coaches.
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They rave about him. You talked to the coach who
had him and found him at Incarnate Word and then
brought him to Washington State.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Really speaks highly of him. I mean, I think there's
a lot to like. Yeah, he does.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
He can be careless with the football. That's the one
thing that he's got to get better at. There's a
little bit of a nonchalant aspect of him, but high,
high level of playmaking ability, real big time arm talent.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I think he's pretty pretty gifted.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
All right, So let's look at the quarterbacks. Then you
should were Sanders going through to the Giants. So what
were you able to figure out about Shador?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Some of the guys I talked to face Shador in
twenty twenty three also and saw you were if you
were a Pac twelve defensive coordinator. Obviously the Pac twelve
really doesn't exist in its form anymore. But you probably
saw Caleb Williams, You probably faced Michael Pennix, you probably
face Bonix, You might have faced Jaden Daniels at his
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earlier stages at Arizona State, and you probably saw Shador
because you saw a lot of it on crossover tape.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
If you didn't face him directly. The stuff people like about.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Him is he's very tough, he's very smart, and he's accurate,
and he throws well on the run. The things you
get a little skittish on is he holds the ball
way too long. Now, in fairness to him, he had
a terrible offensive line. The other part of it is
he did have some gifted receivers, but they had no
running game. It was a weird offense for people to
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look at and to kind of make sense of. I
think the part that you have to be leery of
is Caleb Williams would do this sometimes too quite a bit,
where he would buy time, extend plays off his athleticism
and elusiveness and then make a wow throw and complete
it and stuff. Honestly, that was, you know, eye popping
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for scouts to see. But you wondered he may not
get away with that in the NFL, and you're seeing
Caleb struggle with that with the Bears last year. Caleb's
a better athlete than shador Is. Kayla's probably a four
five five four six guy. Chaudeorg is probably four to
seven for eight guy, And I think there's a lot
of things where you look at and go all right,
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if he can operate and we can develop him. You know,
there's things that we're intrigued by. But I don't think
if he was if he was in this draft, last
year or this class, I don't think anybody's talking about
him as a top twenty pick, and I'm not sure
he's a first round guy. I think it's just the
lack of quarterbacks that are coming out. There's cam Orton,
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then you're scrambling to find the next guy.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And you do have the Steelers picking Dart at twenty one,
and you know, people really seem to be impressed with
his intangibles. Everything I've heard from his meetings with teams
and everything. You know, he just checks all those boxes,
even though he has some developing to do from a
collegiate offense that I think teams love his ability to develop.
And I know you didn't write about him, but I
would throw Mirroe into that same category right where he
just checks every boxman intangible standpoint where people will probably
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buy into him as a person and think that he
can make up for some of his deficiencies to be
turned into a player at some point.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, of those two sec quarterbacks, Dart's a good athlete.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Milroe is a great athlete, great athlete.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I mean he can run. I think he's even a
more dynamic runner than Jayden Daniels. Now he's not the
passer Jayden Daniels. He's got a big arm, a strong arm,
but it's not that accurate, and that's a concern. I
think he's definitely a project Dart. I'm glad you said
what you said, John about the offense. People assume, you
know Lane Kiffen, the Lane Kiffen that you know was
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coaching guys who were up for the Heisman, and you know,
go back to Matt Lioner at Mark Sanchez that group
when he was working with Steve Sarkisian and was around
it and even some of the guys at Alabama. Since then,
he has really changed. His offense is much more like
that Baylor Tennessee offense. And so it's a projection here.
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And I think, you know, Dart is pretty polarizing too.
There was a QB coach I talked to in the
NFL this morning who likes Tyler Shuck a lot more
than he likes Jackson Dart. And this coach, actually, I
think was thinks Jackson Dart's a big development piece because
of the offense is such a projection. He's like, I
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watched it, I watched five hundred throws and I'm still
not sure what I would be getting. So again, this
falls into the category of there's probably got to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Be three quarterbacks that go in the first round.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I would guess he's one I could see after some
of the conversations I've had with NFL QB coaches in
the last week, there's some Tyler Shuck is very intriguing
because of how people like how he looks, how he
It's almost like talking to a coach where they say
when they've interviewed him and met with him, his arm
is good, his athleticism is good. His age is what
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is is.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
But I think that is getting overblown.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But his injury history is something that you know, people
have to factor in because it's a real thing, all.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right, Bruce.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I wasn't even gonna bring him up to you, but
you brought him up, and I was grinning while you
were talking about Tyler Shuk because I fell in love
with the tape when I watched it. I gotta be
honest with you, He's really good and if you just
ignore the fact. And you shouldn't do this, by the way,
but if you just red pull yourself into believing that
the age doesn't matter and the injuries were just freak
things and they don't really impact later play. You know, Louisville,
unlike Ole Miss though it actually was a pro style offense.
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I think he can come and play pretty quickly. And
he's a really good athlete. You saw what he ran
at the combine. He has different arm angles, He's a
flexible athlete. There's a lot to like on that tape.
If you're just worrying about what he did as a
football player.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, and I the guys I talked to in the
NFL feel like I just said, Louisville that offense. Jeff
Brohm is a guy a lot of people really respect
as a quarterback guy. I think if there's a pause here,
I don't think it's his age, it's there's a little
bit of feeling of when things break down, does he
It's almost like he's too smart for his own good worth.
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Sometimes they'll say he was a little over analytical and
you know, gets a little bit almost bamboozled by what's
coming at him.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But he is a He's a very good athlete.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You saw him run at the combine that people have
been talking about that from the time he was early
in his career, before he even got.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
To Lubbock at Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Again, this was the first year he was able to
stay healthy, and I think that's the one concern. But he,
as much as anybody I I heard about, really impressed
NFL coaches with when they sat down and talked to
him about how sharp he is. I think he shined
more than some of the other guys because what you
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here was some guys who do well in the interview
is Yeah, I think he was. I've heard good things
and I think he was kind of you know, coached
up for the interview and you know this part of it,
whereas Shuck, I feel like just kind of shine through
where they were like it was almost like talking to
another coach or a guy who's been in here.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
He's super smart.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, he has been playing football for seven years ago,
So I guess I should probably help you that spot.
All right, Okay, I think that's great stuff on the QBS.
Let's go to the two guys that the Giants might
be selecting between a number three if they decide they
don't want to do the go the shoot or route. Whoever,
the Browns don't select Abdul Carter or Travis Hunting, Let's
go with Carter. You mentioned some of the stuff he
did in the offseason in terms of some of the
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Freaks testing. We talking about that we did the Freaks
List interview back in August.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You think he's around like two fifty. Is that what
is playing we you think?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, John, I would say this, and I know I
feel like we might have talked about this, you know,
on when we talked about the Freaks List in the
past on your show. But I've been doing that for
twenty years. If you ask, if you pin me down,
said what school do you put the most stock in
when they give you numbers, it's actually Penn State.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
The track record of guys se Kwon, Mike SICKI, uh oay,
you know, Chop Robinson. They've had a bunch of them,
and those guys end up shining at the combine.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
There's been just a lot of dudes who have been
that way.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I'd say every single guy has exceeded what I was
told they did the previous year.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
But it's it's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
And you know, like all the coaches I've talked to,
because I have another story that will go up, and
this is from like the NFL coaches side of it.
The guys who faced him in college raved about his
get off and how how fast he is.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And sudden.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
And I'm hearing it also from NFL position coaches who
just think he's different than this is a really good
D line class, you know, not just edge guys, but
also interior guys.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
He's he is the headliner of the group though, And.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
A lot of people see Michael Parsons and I get why, right,
same helmets, same number, really athletic player that comes off
the edge. But the comparison you got was Von Miller,
which is should be eye opening, I think, because I
don't think an NFL coach or a college coach would
flippantly compare somebody to Von Miller.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
It was a guy who coached in the NFL who
is now a Big Ten assistant, and he said he
explained the stuff that Michael Parsons really wins at and
is really good at.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I don't see, that's not.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
That's not what Abdul Carter's been doing, he said, but
in terms of being like really bendy and like rare
like that like von Miller is, he goes, that's who
I see. You know, von Miller was like a real
track guy in high school. Abdul Carter runs like that,
but there is some physicality to him. There's a there's
a speed rusher who probably will go late in the
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first round, James Pearce from from Tennessee who ran four
four seven at the combine at two hundred and forty
five pounds. He's more one dimensional speed rusher guy. There's
legit some character concerns and maturity concerns with him. Carter
Carter is more than one dimensional. I mean he's that,
he's got that kind of he's got that club in
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his bag.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
But there's a lot more to it.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, absolutely, I'm with you. Were there any besides the injuries,
red flags or yellow flags that people raised up that
teams should be thinking about if they decide to take
card or like in the top three.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
No, I think you just got to know that he's
really played one year as an edge rusher. He was
an off ball linebacker before that. So if you watch him,
like my Crew was for Fox. We were at the
West Virginia Penn State. It was a season opener, and
west Rio is a really good offensive tackle who might
probably slide in his guard Wyatt Mielam. But he's a
really really good football player. I would argue he's probably
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I don't know if he's good enough to be a
first round player, but he was like an All American
caliber guy. His arm length isn't ideal. He did a
really good job against Abdul Carter when they were matched up.
But when you watched Abdul Carter over the rest of
the season, he kept getting better and better and better.
Even when he was like a little gimpion laid in
the playoff he went off when he was injured, he
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still played really well. Again, I think he's going to
be a terrific NFL football The.
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of Eli Manning. All right, let's go to Travis Hunter,
and you know, he's a really interesting player. I think
better cornerback now than wide receiver. I think that was
something that was mimicked to you and said to you
by a bunch of coaches as well. And really the
change the direction of the ball skills were the traits
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that jumped out to the guys that evaluated him.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Right, Yeah, I think the thing that I would get
back is it's harder to find what he has as
a cornerback than it is what he is as a receiver.
He's a really really good receiver. He's a great cornerback.
Potentially he can make difference making plays because his ball
skills are our elite. His as a receiver, his ability
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to track a ball also elite. His ability to burst
and make plays. You know, there's zero stiffness to him.
It's like he's like a cat in terms of he
dropped him out of off a building, He's going to
land on his feet and be ready to pounce.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
He's just he's a rare athlete the line.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I would go back to the defensive coordinator of Colorado,
Robert Livingston, who spent a dozen years in the NFL,
mostly for the Bengals as a scout but then became
their safeties.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Coach said, what do you think he would run?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
If he ran and we knew he probably was going
to run at the combine, and he said, I would
guess he's probably four four oh, maybe four three eight.
He said, But if you lined up and gathered all
the fastest guys who are going to be at the combine,
had to race betting on Travis, you.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Know, he's he's really special.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I think he wants to be a corner receiver more
than cornerback right now. That's going to be interesting how it,
you know, unfolds over time. You know, one of the
coaches I talked to as an offensive coordinator said, when
you watched him at Pro Day the other day, it's
like some of the routes and some of the stuff
he's doing that's not going to work in the NFL.
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This is not seven on seven football, and so I
think that's not all in his game.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
He's got other stuff to him.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
But you know, it's going to be It's going to
be interesting to see the direction it plays. But like
I said, I think he's the best athlete in the draft.
I think he's I think he will be a star.
I'm just curious how his path plays out, how much receiver,
how much cornerback? Where does he settle if he ends
up settling in one side of it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You mentioned you have a story coming up where you're
talking to NFL coaches. Did you have you talked to
anyone that's in the NFL about how they would try
to handle him playing both sides, how quickly you ease
him into one end, how you manage the meetings which
are happening simultaneously, and just how you would go about
that process. You're trying to maximize it impact on the
next level.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I haven't. I did talk to like one offensive coordinator
who thought he was just better as a as a
dB and said, there's a lot I think you'd really
do have to work on, like some of the stuff
I see that he does. You know, did it pro day?
It's like I got Jalen Ramsey over you. How are
you going to win? You're not gonna be able to
do that? And so I think there's like, you know,
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real questions in terms of that that not like people
doubt him people. I think people like him a lot
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
It's just an interesting conversation and probably ongoing conversations that
are going to be had.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You have Mason Graham going fifth, Kenneth Grant, his teammate,
going thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Two very different sized players.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I know, I thought it was interesting that you think
Mason Graham probably plays a lot heavier than when he
waited in at the combine.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And I think he's a really safe player.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But you don't know how many teams think how much
upsiding necessarily has, which is almost a little bit of
the opposite for Grant.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Do you think people think his best football's ahead of him?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah? Yeah. Grant was this guy who was a three
star recruit out of Indiana, and Jim Harball was wowed
by him when he showed up. He was almost three
hundred and sixty pounds and ran like a sub fiveh
forty and talking to it, like, I know a lot
of the Michigan guys, they're like the stuff that you
would see at practice would would wow you. I mean,
he was probably three forty plus at times, and he
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would run down fast guys. He did it against Penn State.
K Tron Allen will be in the draft next year.
Really good all around running back. He ran down k
Tron Allen. I want to say twenty yards downfield, like.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
The best comparison. It's it's probably an unfair one to make.
Is some dexter lawrence in there. You know, he's got length,
he's explosive.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
He's not Vita Vea in terms of like throw, you know,
overturn a car strength, but he is. He is really strong.
He can move. It's just a consistency thing. But like
a lot of the coaches I talked to in the
NFL are very interesting in him, very intrigued by him.
With Graham, you have a former, you know, high school
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wrestler who plays like that, you know, very relentless. I
would guess he's probably closer to going to be around
three hundred and ten pounds. I think everybody likes him
a lot. I don't know if anyone's gonna say, because
you know, I talked to position coaches in the NFL
who think there could be twelve d lineman go after
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Abdul Carter He's probably the one if you want to
call an edge rusher d lineman, right, I would say
he's probably the next one to go. You know, I
don't know if you see him as like, will this
guy be a potential like defensive player of the year.
Maybe not, But people like him a lot. I don't
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know if anybody like loves them, loves them. They like
him a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, Now I'm with you, and I think that I
don't see why you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
When you watch the tape, Jillen Walker, you kind of
have as your next guy coming off. When you talk
to people, do they see him as an edge do
they see him as an off ball guy someone that
can do both? Because I think with his size, skills
and from my understanding, like that guy's gonna be like
a future CEO. He's so impressive as a person. Where
do people talk about him fitting in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
So, in the last couple of days I talked to
two different D line guys, both had been in college
not that long ago, and they were split. They had
different opinions on him. They both liked him a lot.
One guy was like, I think he's in the linebacker
room because I think he could be a great off
the ball linebacker and then we move him in on
you know, pass rush situations. But I think that's what
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he is. The other guy thought he was. He was
a shade below Abdul Carter. You know, Abdul Carter bigger
and probably will be bigger. But everybody loves his character.
You know what Georgia coaches who have had a lot
of really big time NFL defensive players say about him.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I will say this.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
One of the D line coaches I talked to you
yesterday said he's actually thinks Michael Williams is going to
do the better player in the NFL. He's bigger. Michael
Williams is much bigger.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
He said.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
He is nasty, physical, And he said, but he was
the guy who's playing hurt. Last year and now when
they played Texas and they played him twice, both guys
went off against against legit NFL players on Texas.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Texas had two.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Offensive line offensive tackles. One guy I think will be
a pretty safe bet as a first round pick this year.
The other guy, probably if he had stayed, would have
been a first round pick next year. He opted to
come out early, and I don't know if that was
the you know, the probably the best move for him.
But those those guys got whipped by the two Georgia guys.
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And I think Jalen Walker's If you ask me what
I take Abdill Carter over him, I'd say probably not
because I think the upside is just a little different there.
But I think Jalen Walker is like a surefire legit
NFL stud for ten twelve years. I think he's really
really good.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, I think both him and Michael Williams can very
well be top ten picks. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Your two corners. I think it's the only two corners
you had in your first round.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Joddy Baronet of Syracuse ahead of Will Johnson, which, by
the way, that's all I have it ranked on my board,
and then Will Johnson, who I know teams he's like
like the based on what you've were getting from people
kind of like me, they're still trying to figure out
exactly what he is.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I mean, I think he's a zone corner who the
coaches and I know the guys who who had him
at Michigan think he is super smart, like like rare
vision of how he prepares and plays like he sees
it like a quarterback. He's got really good size. I
mean he's they said he's bigger than what they said.
He played it two oh five. I mean he came
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into the combine or whenever it's six two one ninety four.
They said he's six to two oh five. Every day.
They think he's a four to four eight kind of guy.
That the question a little bit is on his speed.
I think on the best case scenario that they were
trying to compare him to would be Patrick Surtan. I
think that with what we've seen Patrick Surtan become in
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the NFL, like he was really good and really polished
in the NFL and sorry at Alabama, you know, when
he came out, I want to say it was like J. C.
Horn was also come at you know, if it came
out of South Carolina. I think there was some people
who were like liked certain maybe didn't love him. Some
loved him, some were like, oh okay, you know I
saw I forgot who the receiver was who put it
(24:33):
on him pretty good in the SEC. But Will Johnson,
I think you know you look at and say okay,
and again another Alabama cornerback.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
You know, last year the Lions.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
So Terry On Arnold, who had you know, issues with
a lot of you know, holding penalties and everything else,
didn't run great, you know, good instincts. You know, this
guy has I think has really good instincts. He's really smart,
made a lot lot of big plays. He has had
turf toe this, you know, for half the year, so
he was not the same guy. I think he's a
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safe first round pick. But the other guy, you know, Baron,
really blossomed this year. He's a really good tackler, he's
very instinctive, makes a lot of plays on the ball.
He's not he's not huge, but I think he's just
a really really good football player.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Like a couple of years ago, you.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Know, Illinois had a great secondary and oh god, I'm
trying to remember who the I want to say it
was like a guy who when he measured in he
was like five eleven, one eighty five and nine blanket
on his name.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
But Witherspoon, thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Everybody who played against Witherspoon thought Witherspoon was like two
hundred or two of five because he was physical and
had an edge to him and there was just something
about him. I'm not saying that they're they're they're very comparable.
But I think in the terms of the competitiveness and
the instinctiveness, I think there's there's some of that that
sounds the same.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
When you talk to people who respect him.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Wow, I think that is high praise. All right.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I'm trying to package come to these positions together. So
you have Tyler Warren at fourteen, Colston Loveland at twenty two.
Talking to people that played against these guys in college,
what kind of separates them as opponents.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Warren's a little bigger body, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I think Loveland was was a willing blocker, but he
was also playing from what I was told, through like
some injury last year. The other thing that I think
was a detriment for him was they had a terrible offense.
They had bad quarterback and not much help at receiver.
The only way they were going to get him the
ball where he was not going to be like doubled,
was like on first down situations where it was like, hey,
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it was going to be play action. We're going to
try to find ways to scheme him to get him
something where he's not like the defense isn't majoring in
Colston Loveland, but he can really run.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
He's very fluid. I think he's a true legit first
round guy.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, Tyler Warren's different in that bigger body guy a
little bit. He's also you know, he played quarterback. He
did a lot of different stuff with him just to
get him the ball. And they had again, you know,
their quarterback play was better Drew Allers going to play
in the NFL. Their receiver play was not great at all,
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and there were a better offense, but they found so
many different creative ways to get it. I think he
is still developing as good as he was. I think
for a bunch of people who looked at him this
time last year, I thought, love him, is the better prospect,
And then I think for some it definitely flipped. Not
a knock on Lovelan. I think it's just how far
Tyler Warren came, and I just think people, I think
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there's just again. I don't want to call him, you know, Kelsey,
because Kelsey is such a gifted athlete when things, you know,
make stuff happen. You know, however fast he is, he
just is just very athletic. Sometimes we devolve into thinking
like athleticism is best gauged by a you know, vertical jump,
broad jump, shuttles and a forty time. I think Kelsey's
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just really smooth athlete. I think Tyler Warren is that
way to a degree where he's just got some playmaker
in him.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, I don't want to put you on the spot.
Did you get any as you said they were the
most accurate. We haven't seen any testing on Tyler Warren.
Have you got any inkling from from Penn State like
what he runs and what some of his athletic metrics are.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I think they think he's you know, in the four
to six is somewhere like that. I think they think
he's a good athlete. Again, I don't think he's going
to be somebody like Elijah Arroyo from Miami. I think
he is more of a run like a wide receiver guy.
He's got good size and he has you know, we're
talking about shuck before with the injury history. This is
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the first year Elijah Royo was kind of cut, loose
and able to go. And I think he will be
a steal for somebody if he doesn't go in the
first twenty five picks, because I think he's a playmaker
as long as he stays healthy.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I'm with you. I love that you Carmon in your
top twenty.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
He is a lewsome Byron On, not Byron Murphy, who
was the Murphy out of Texas last year. At the
defensive tackle there's Murphy, Yeah, bier Murphy. Sorry, yeah, I
was thinking I was getting conve use at the corner.
I think he is a lot of those vibes. He
could play three tech, probably a tick below what Murphy
was last year.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
But man, Derek Harmon was a fun player to watch.
He was really good.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I think that whatever they did with him that was
different from when he was at Michigan State, right, that's
where he came from.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
With the transfer, it really clicked. He was a hell
of a player last year.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah. I mean credit to Toash sleup boy who was
like coaching the NFL and was a former d Lion
guy himself, And I think that they knew he had
pretty special talent and he's a really good interior pass rusher.
He's bigger than Murphy's probably he might be twenty pounds bigger.
They had another guy, It's interesting we're talking about him.
Jamari called Well is probably twenty five pounds bigger than him.
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He's a little more of a bad body guy, but
really good feet. I think he will be a steal
you know, maybe a couple of rounds later. The guy
everybody taught that the star quote unquote of that group
was actually Birch from who had been a five star
and is out of high school, went to South Carolina flashed,
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but he always wondered. I mean he's a guy who
was like six' five to ninety and could. Run BUT
i think people aren't sure what he is in THE.
NFL i think he's going to be a top fifty
pick because he'll be too it'll be hard to pass.
Up but you had those three guys and then Dj
Uey angolile who people know that. Name he won't be
AN nfl, quarterback but he was a you, know played At,
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clemson bounced around like his younger Brother matteo is not
in this, draft but he will be AN, nfl probably
a starting defensive. END i, mean they have a really
deep d line room. There so when you talked about
what it Was Derek harmon getting into that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Like he and he.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Played, WELL i mean he WASN'T i don't think he
was like the same kind of player As. Mason he's,
different BUT i think he's intriguing for a lot of
people because they see the.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Talent all, right let's get to the two wide receivers
that you have going in the top Twenty tech McMillan
And Matthew.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Golden just a couple of picks.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Away you, KNOW i for some, REASON i feel like
it it's not cool anymore to THINK tep McMillan's really.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Good but you watch, him and he's really.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Good and the one THING i KNOW i mentioned to
you is that he runs some of his routes half.
SPEED i noticed that. TOO i was wondering if that
was intentional piecing of his routes or. Not but you
can get into. That and THEN i just Thought Matthew, golden,
like if you want A z that's just gonna run
great routes and be very precise with what he does
and be your number.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Two he's perfect for.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
That, yeah To.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Golden talking to coaches At, texas they felt like he
probably matured and went from being the book on him
was he was an okay practice player when he was
A houston AND i guess in the you, know like
a couple of a little bit after he got To,
texas something the light came on and he became a
great practice. Player his. Speed some of the COACHES i talked,
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to at least ONE dB coach was, LIKE i didn't
think he was a four to two nine. GUY i
thought he was a low poor. Guy but he was,
like if he ran, it that's what he. Is he's
a really good route. Runner he's a really good football.
Player McMillan Ted roll McMillan was a huge high school
recruit because he was just this guy who would dominate
in seven on. Seven he's six, forties two. Twenty he
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has the best ball skills to come out of college
in a. WHILE i don't know who would be in
the running with.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Him Maybe Travis, hunter, right.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, try but this guy is. Different he Just Travis
hunter has great ball. Skills this guy makes. Wow by the,
way speaking Of Travis, Hunter Travis, hunter one of the
touchdowns he gave, up and he didn't give up a
lot in. College go find the film from twenty twenty
three where Where TEAM at got. Him you know he
there's some stuff where he almost seems unguardable at. Times Jed,
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fish who is now The university Of washington head coach
who recruited him To. Arizona he spent a long time
in THE nfl around a lot of great, athletes he,
said McMillan is the best athlete he's ever. Seen his
hand eye coordination is the best he's ever been. AROUND i,
think you, know because he has a real high level
volleyball background and played, basketball but volleyball. Especially that's what
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McMillan told. Me he attributes to his ability to go
up and catch footballs and his, timing AND i think
some of those things are just really. RARE i can
see why he's. Polarizing like you said in the piece
THAT i wrote in The, athletic one of the things
came up was one of the, coaches LIKE i watched
him on film and it does like why is he being?
Lazy he, goes but he never came off the, field
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and he was. There he was their whole, offense like
His Noah fafita was his is his best. Friend that's the.
Quarterbacks you, know He's adam since he was eighth. Grade
that was his go to guy. Whenever and SO i
think everybody knew if you were going to Stop, arizona
you had to try and to deal with, him and
he Was he was as good a player as there
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was a. Receiver in twenty twenty three when they were
finished in the top twelve and really came out of
nowhere to have a great. Year last, year new coaching
staff came, in they changed the. OFFENSE i think there
was a lot of things that started to fall apart
At arizona around that, program AND i think some of
the things that are probably made him a little. POLARIZING
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i THINK i THINK i would attribute some of those
things to a coaching transition where things started to.
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Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah AND i think what impresonally be about him his,
size his ability to run after the. Catch you don't
have many six to, four two hundred twenty pound Guys,
bruce as you know that can catch turned into a
runner and be dangerous with the ball in his.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Hands but he actually is really good at that for guys'.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Size he, is and there's some stuff you see on
film where he does run away from. People he's not
a pro. Day he's not A, nfl you, know like
a combine. GUY i don't, know you, know if he
ran four or five, Nine i'd be, like, yeah that's
a pretty good time for. Him i'm not sure IF
i think he's faster than, that but he just makes
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Plays, yeah and he gets.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Open all, right the pass rushers, HERE i want to
get to the next group of. Edges you Have GREEN
i think is the first next guy, off then you Have.
Eziraku they're kind of in your top, twenty and then
you have three guys between twenty eight and thirty, One Nick,
Gordon James, pierce And Chamar. STEWART i feel like there's
gonna be from team to, team roll to, role scheme to,
scheme board to. Board those five guys might move around
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a little bit based on their, size red flags which
are different for some of those. GUYS i feel like
that's a messy group and from team to team that
order might be very.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Different you're, right there's some guys who are not on
probably people's. BOARDS i Mean Mike, green who started his
career At virginia and then went To.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Marshall he's a, really really good football.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Player if it wasn't questions about the character and some
of the lead, HISTORY i think.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He would be the top guy of that. Group you,
know you.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Watch him on, film you hear what people say about.
Him Charles, huff who is now the head coach At
southern miss was the coach At. Marshall he'd come From,
alabama where he's an. Assistant he. Said he told me
before the start of the year because he was a
micro is a freakslist guy for, me he. Said he
reminds me a lot Of Will. ANDERSON i don't know
if he's quite as strong As, will but he's probably more.
Explosive And Will anderson's tround out to be a hell
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of AN nfl player. Already SO i think if teams
check out from him character, wise and if they're comfortable with,
HIM i think he's a guy who would go the
first of. Them As, iraq who's the most polished rusher
in terms of what he can do moves, wise brings
a lot to the. TABLE i think everybody kind of likes.
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Him i'm not sure if anybody loves the, athleticism you,
know in terms of the, upside and.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
They think he'll be a good. Player is there greatness?
THERE i don't.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Know pierce is the one who will like light it
up at the combine and he did that and he
does make some, plays but he's the knock on him
is from WHAT i, gather is not like a legal.
Issue it's more of like how coachable is? He and
there's there's some concerns about that from what people have.
Heard also a little question about is he one? Dimensional
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but that one dimension he is a speed rusher and
he he's he is he can be a. Problem you,
know the Two TEXAS a AND m guys are. Interesting
Shamar stewart tests off the. Charts you, know people like,
him it's just they want to see more. Production four
and a half sacks in three. Years usually it's just
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a head. Scratcher there's talent, there it's just you, know
can you get at? Him you, know like he had
a good he had good coaches in. College Sean, spencer
who was THE d line coach you know of The,
giants has had a lot of really good. PLAYERS i
KNOW d line coaches think highly Of Shawn, spencer but
it was, like you, know, look he had a really
GOOD d line around. Him, also he might not be
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the Best chamar out of THAT d line. Room to be,
Honest Schamar turner is an inside guy FROM a AND
m who might turn out to Be they're different, players
but probably would not be surprised if it turn out
to be a BETTER nfl. Player scorton is very. Interesting
he Was he led The Big ten in sacks when
he was At. Purdue he was a nineteen year old
team captain in twenty twenty. THREE i think that is
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a significant factor for him because it speaks to his
character and leadership in a. Way that bad team still
was the captain of. It to be voted to a
team captain at, nineteen especially for a kid From texas who,
moves you, know goes To, purdue it's so it's, LIKE
i think that speaks to. Him made a lot of.
Plays he got. Big he was two hundred and eighty
(38:43):
five pounds last. Year he made some plays and then
he got, down lost almost thirty pounds for his pro.
Day he's pretty. POLISHED i think there's he has good body.
Control he's not as.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Twitchy As stuart.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Tested BUT i think he's going to be a really
good enough football players just like what is how are
they gonna play? Him AND i think it depends on
what the team, is BUT i think there's a lot
of versatility. THERE i think he is a really really
good football. Player if you ask me to rank the
five of them, again if if you're comfortable With Mike
green off the, FIELD i think he's. WON i actually
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Think scorton might might end up better than As, araku
but it just demends on where he goes from.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
There, Yeah i'm with, you all.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Right a couple offensive linemen at the end of your board,
year because these are guys that maybe The giants could
consider a thirty four year agree's able at twenty. THREE
i think it Was Josh shimmons coming off that the
bad knee injury at twenty. Six and then a couple
of guys that didn't make your. Board i'm curious as
to how close they. Came i'm gonna go With Josh,
connelly the tackle out Of, oregon and then the two
Guards Donovan jackson And Tyler, booker WHO i think are
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really good football, players if you want to go through
that kind of the very end of your offensive line
group here a little.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Bit, YEAH i Think booker is a first round talent
as a. Guard he, is you, know he can really.
Anchor he is very small ART i could see somebody.
LIKE i think he's a really safe. Pick Donovan. JACKSON
i think it's a safe pick. Too he's more versatile position.
Wise he played some left tackle and didn't play bad at.
It he's, athletic he's very very. Smart you. KNOW i
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think he's probably best at, guard BUT i think he
probably could play some right tackle if you needed him.
To the Two josh is they're different in this. Regard
Josh connelly was a huge recruit coming out of high,
school went To. Oregon looks the, part good. PLAYER i don't.
KNOW i Think Josh simmons has more. Upside Josh simmons
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wasn't a, big bigger. Recruit started out At San Diego
state and then went in The portal and The cardinals
off offensive line, coach Now Justin fry had been AT
ucla and then he went to and he had Seen Josh.
Simmons they tried to recruit him coming out of high.
School he got him At Ohio. STATE i, mean if
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he was, healthy BECAUSE i think he. Is he was pretty,
raw but he got a lot better this year before
he got hurt in The oregon. Game ironically, enough he's
a guy that they told me they think he'd run
in the high four eights and he probably vertical jumped
thirty five thirty six. Inches he's a really good athlete
who probably if he was not hurt for the second
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half of the season and was able to go on
that playoff run that they went, on might be a
top fifteen.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Pick Gray.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Zabel from the COACHES i talked to in that, league
they think he's a good, player and he's a really
good athlete and obviously had a good week at The Senior.
Bowl some of the coaches THAT i talked, to at
least one, particular felt like a couple of the guys
who came out of The Missouri Valley Spencer brown Being
Oney maker another, one like they thought those guys are
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a little better than. Him but they think he's a
really good player and he's. VERSATILE i feel Like i'm missing.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
One Uh, NO i, KNOW i think you hit them.
All you got?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Him, Okay, YEAH i was gonna ask About Calvin. Banks
the people see him as daughter of tackle.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Us you, know some of the PEOPLE i talk to
think he can is a.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Tackle they to his, credit he played really well early
in his career when he played Against Dallas, turner who
is an explosive edge, guy but also Against Will anderson
early in his, career and they said that speaks to
like his, character his, maturity his. Preparation they think he's really.
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GOOD i, MEAN i don't know how. Much one of
the COACHES i talked to At texas brought this. Up
he's like he's playing with him a lot on his.
Mind his mom is battling health issues all, year got really.
Sick people really like, him both the coaches who played
him and also the coaches WHO i talk TO i
know At. Texas, AGAIN i think of the Two texas,
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tackles he's the much more, mature much more finished. Product
if he went in the, top you, know in the top,
TWENTY i wouldn't be totally.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Surprised, yeah and then And Mecha buka is number thirty
two On Your. Life he's very safe.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Player everyone was just raving about what a high floor player.
Is i'm with you on that led to get your
take on. Him and then two, receivers, well well one
receiver that didn't make your listen With Luther burden whether
what you heard about him from opponents, Then but was
there was any other wide receiver that came close to
making the cut in your first?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Round aboukas LIKE i had to have him in The,
like if he's still there at thirty, two you, know
whoever gets him HiT's the. JACKPOT i think he's one
of the best receivers who's come out Of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
State, like he's super.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Smart he's a little bigger than people assume he was
like five or eleven or.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Ninety, no he's bigger than.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
That he's.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
NOT i think he can play, Outside. BRUCE i don't
think he's necessarily a slot only.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Guy he could play.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
ANYWHERE i, mean he's he's he's a little, fast he's.
Everything plus he's a little faster than people tend to.
Think he's a little bigger than people tend to. Think you,
know he's really. SMART i Mean Ryan day had told
us when he was a freshman he thought he was
like the, smartest savviest football player they had in the
program at the. Time you, know and you think of
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the guy and he's really. Productive now he got. Overshadowed
it's because the number the guy who would have been
the number one pick in the draft of he was
eligible to come, Out Jeremiah smith has to stay in
college for two more. Years Jeremiah smith is like almost six,
four two thirty and can run like the.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Wind so he overshadowed A.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Buka BUT i think A bukah's A you, know if
you ask me who DO i think will be a
more productive? Player him Or Matthew golden in his, CAREER
i would take A buca very.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Good and then how Come burden didn't make your list
than any other wide receiver came.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Close, Yeah burden gets compared a lot and did in
college To Deebo.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Samuel he's.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Not debo is like more, physical Like burdon's really good
with the ball in.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
His hands after.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
IT i don't think he's quite as, polished but he's
a really good football player in terms of What i'm,
sorry what was the second? One you just asked?
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Me if there are any other wide receivers that that
that came close To?
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Kraken, NO i Think Jalen knowl From Iowa state is
a tremendous football. Player he's super, physical one one big
ten defensive. Back to coach from part of The Hines,
ward he, said he's really, physical really. Nasty both Both
Iowa state receivers are really. Good they're very, different but
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this one they were, LIKE i think he is a
guy who will be a really GOOD nfl.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Player he's.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Explosive he's just, short you, know he's five to ten
ish one hundred and ninety. Pounds looks like a running
back for Everything i've, heard WOULD i, WOULD i would
buy his.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Stock i'm with.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
You how About Walter? Nolan why didn't he make it
into your top thirty?
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Two he fits into a little of the category of
boom or. Buss he's very. EXPLOSIVE i think there's some
things a little bit of concern about how does how
will he? Fit you, KNOW i think he will be
gone in the top thirty, Five BUT i, don't you,
know he's he might be the most explosive interior guy in.
DRAFT i just think there's some things that people are
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a little bit a little bit concerned. With and AGAIN
i don't think it's like character legal issue. Stuff it's
just like some other things that you, know depending on
who you talk, to you're, like, uh you, KNOW i
could see him being really good and he'll make some wild,
plays but then there's some consistency issues THAT i think
is something that gives people a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Pause all, Right, Bruce, finally you did thirty two players.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Here you obviously know a whole lot more about a
lot of the other guys coming out here are giving
your breadth of knowledge of college. Football who are some
other guys that either didn't make your list or you
just like that you talk to people about that you
think fans should know about heading into the twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
Draft good. QUESTION i have to think about that Because
i'm like so wired into who is the first part of.
THAT i think there's a handful of guys where you'll, Say,
OKAY i don't know where this guy. Goes you, know
if it's a you, KNOW i start looking and, Like,
okay where do people think this guy's going to? Go
(47:00):
Like Ohio state had a middle Linebacker Cody, simon WHO
i think is probably a fourth fifth round. GUY i
think he's better than, that where he's a good, athlete
not a great, athlete but a good. Athlete james loriniis
was his position coach At Ohio.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
State you can't shut him up About Cody.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Simon he loves him character, wise leadership, wise playmaker really came.
ON i think he's A he's an outstanding football. Player
he's one THAT i think is much. Better i'll give
you TWO d, linemen two defensive. Tackles One Shamar turner
who's At TEXAS a AND. M i don't think he's
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getting talked about. Enough he is a he's a very disruptive.
Guy and the other one Is sanders at AT. Tj
sanders At South. Carolina he's an explosive. Athlete i'm surprised
he's not getting discussed more as a top forty kind
of guy like he's he. Is he can move and
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people really liked what they saw potentially of. Him SO
i think those, guys because it's such a DEEP d line,
GROUP i would put them high up there on.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
That and then my final, QUESTION i only like this
asked this question to everyone just because it's such a
deep group and there are so many good players and
everyone has a different, favorite and that's running. Back in
this draft, class it is a great. Class i've gone
through sixteen guys and to stole like another five or.
SIX i want to watch. IT i think are going
to be really. Good who's your favorite Non ashton Gent,
Y Omarion, hampton you, know Quin Shawn jenkins running back
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from this.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
CLASS i think It's Trevon.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Henderson he was great when he first got To Ohio,
state then had some injuries with a little nicked. UP
i think he's you, know he's definitely seemed like he's
grown up a lot there and. Matured he is the
most explosive of the. BACKS i, mean he can make wild.
Plays he's a good. Receiver like it wouldn't shock me
if he was a guy who ran who went To Pro,
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bowls you, know whether he goes in the second, ROUND
i would be shocked or somebody jumped into you, know like
jumped up up for him in the first round because
he's playmaking. Skills, AGAIN i don't want to, compare like
he's different a little bit Than Jamier, gibbs but there's
some wow like like that WHERE i think he's the
one two punch with another bigger back where he makes
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a lot of a lot of great wow. Plays to,
me he's the one who's a little. Different Caleb johnson
From iowa is similar To omari And, hampton but my
guess is the price on him will be like thirty
picks lower because he didn't run four four six or
Whatever hampton. Did BUT i think he's got some nastiness
to him AND i think HE'S i think he'll be
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a really good running. Back but Treyvon hendersons has like
has superstar potential in, him WHERE i don't know IF
i would say that about some of the other guys in.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
There brids recording This wednesday is going to go out Next,
Monday so tell the folks anything besides the great monk
draft you have on the athletic that you have coming out,
there they should keep their eyes.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
On. Yeah the Piece i'm working on now is really
talking to a lot of position coaches in THE nfl
about what they're, getting you, know what their impressions of,
guys because sometimes the position coaches aren't necessarily the ones
who get to stock their. Room it's usually A gm
or you, know head coach has more say so than they.
Do BUT i always feel like it's THOSE i love
the CONVERSATIONS i end up in, for you, KNOW i
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started that late last week and it's been heavy this
week AND i think it'll be out probably the.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
The week of the.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Draft that's, Great, Bruce you're always so generous with your.
TIME i love talking to you a breadth of. Knowledge
thank you so much for the, time and we'll talk
to you.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Soon always a. Pleasure Thanks.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
We are joined by Front of the Program always joins
us twice a year, once when his Freaks List comes out,
the other time when his mock draft is released in April.
And that's Bruce Feldman from The Athletic and Fox Sports.
And now we welcome in the great Bruce Feldman. He
works for Fox Sports. He writes and covers college football
for The Athletic.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Bruce.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
John Smelk here in East Brother for New Jersey. A
pleasure to talk to you is always my friend.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm doing great, John, Good. Good to see you.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Good to see the logo that I grew up seeing
as somebody in the Northeast.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And I love this time of year with the draft well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And in addition to all your usual content, you just
had your mock draft go up on the athletic you
do only one each year. And look, Bruce, I'll be
honest with you, I don't care who we have going
to each team. It's the nuggets within each selection from
you interview all the opposing coaches, assistants, head coaches that
go up against these guys, and I think you get
some really good stuff from them. So I want to
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get through as many of the players as we can.
Do you even learn some stuff about these players that
you didn't know when you go through this process to
kind of get all this knowledge together about these guys.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Oh absolutely, because again, some of these guys I talked
to during the course of the year. Sometimes I don't
get around to them until maybe March when I work
on this and it's good to reconnect with people. But
then there are guys you think you know something about
and then you find out, oh, why did this guy have, like,
you know, a huge day against this team, And then
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all of a sudden, you talk to a position coach
he was like, yeah, we had injuries, we had to
play a third team cornerback who's a borderline walk on.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Don't read too much into that game or.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Don't you know, like you just get kind of more
of a or this kid was playing hurt. It looked like,
you know, there's a reason why guy who normally runs
four or five five probably ran a four nine that day.
And that's why maybe that you know, don't you know,
look at the other film with this kid, or you
just get way more context and perspective. You know, I
got really some really interesting stuff on armand Membo the
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offensive lineman from Missouri, and you know, like South Carolina
has a great true freshman this past year, edge rusher
who everybody raves about. Membo just you know, like abused
him in that matchup, and I think sometimes you hear
more about that when you talk to coaches who watch
that and like, whoa, you know, that's that's a real
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guy that he's going up against, whereas maybe some other
guys who are who are projected first round offensive line
and they may not see those kinds of guys or
those kinds of athletes, you know, weekend and week out
or more than once a season.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And you do a Membo going ahead of Will Cammell
and your mock draft, by the way, which I think
is interesting and I should point out as well that
after you folks listen to our live draft coverage on Thursday,
and after the Giants pick at three, you should go
tune into the Athletic Bruce will be joining Robert Mays
and Dan Brugler and Derek Klassen, who do a really
good job cover in the draft on the Athletics coverage
on that Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
All right, Bruce, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Cam Ward at this want you know, the Giants ain't
getting him like the Titans are picking cam Ward. But
I did think it was interesting in the blur of
you having to mention that from what you understood, the
Giants did have a lot of interesting cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, that's what I was told.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I think their leadership had checked him out even down
around the ball prep and was very impressed with him.
I think this is not a great quarterback draft class.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's nothing close to what we had last year.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
But to me, there's a bigger gap between cam Ward
and whoever's number two, then number two to number three,
number four. I think, you know, his arm talent is
much better. He's got a pretty clean bill of health
relative to the rest of his you know, college career.
He's physically mature, personality wise. Talked to the Miami coaches.
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They rave about him. You talked to the coach who
had him and found him at Incarnate Word and then
brought him to Washington State.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Really speaks highly of him. I mean, I think there's
a lot to like. Yeah, he does.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
He can be careless with the football. That's the one
thing that he's got to get better at. There's a
little bit of a nonchalant aspect of him, but high,
high level of playmaking ability, real big time arm talent.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I think he's pretty pretty gifted.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
All right, So let's look at the quarterbacks. Then you
should were Sanders going through to the Giants. So what
were you able to figure out about Shador?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Some of the guys I talked to face Shador in
twenty twenty three also and saw you were if you
were a Pac twelve defensive coordinator. Obviously the Pac twelve
really doesn't exist in its form anymore. But you probably
saw Caleb Williams, You probably faced Michael Pennix, you probably
face Bonix, You might have faced Jaden Daniels at his
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earlier stages at Arizona State, and you probably saw Shador
because you saw a lot of it on crossover tape.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
If you didn't face him directly. The stuff people like about.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Him is he's very tough, he's very smart, and he's accurate,
and he throws well on the run. The things you
get a little skittish on is he holds the ball
way too long. Now, in fairness to him, he had
a terrible offensive line. The other part of it is
he did have some gifted receivers, but they had no
running game. It was a weird offense for people to
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look at and to kind of make sense of. I
think the part that you have to be leery of
is Caleb Williams would do this sometimes too quite a bit,
where he would buy time, extend plays off his athleticism
and elusiveness and then make a wow throw and complete
it and stuff. Honestly, that was, you know, eye popping
(05:50):
for scouts to see. But you wondered he may not
get away with that in the NFL, and you're seeing
Caleb struggle with that with the Bears last year. Caleb's
a better athlete than shador Is. Kayla's probably a four
five five four six guy. Chaudeorg is probably four to
seven for eight guy, And I think there's a lot
of things where you look at and go all right,
(06:15):
if he can operate and we can develop him. You know,
there's things that we're intrigued by. But I don't think
if he was if he was in this draft, last
year or this class, I don't think anybody's talking about
him as a top twenty pick, and I'm not sure
he's a first round guy. I think it's just the
lack of quarterbacks that are coming out. There's cam Orton,
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then you're scrambling to find the next guy.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And you do have the Steelers picking Dart at twenty one,
and you know, people really seem to be impressed with
his intangibles. Everything I've heard from his meetings with teams
and everything. You know, he just checks all those boxes,
even though he has some developing to do from a
collegiate offense that I think teams love his ability to develop.
And I know you didn't write about him, but I
would throw Mirroe into that same category right where he
just checks every boxman intangible standpoint where people will probably
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buy into him as a person and think that he
can make up for some of his deficiencies to be
turned into a player at some point.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, of those two sec quarterbacks, Dart's a good athlete.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Milroe is a great athlete, great athlete.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I mean he can run. I think he's even a
more dynamic runner than Jayden Daniels. Now he's not the
passer Jayden Daniels. He's got a big arm, a strong arm,
but it's not that accurate, and that's a concern. I
think he's definitely a project Dart. I'm glad you said
what you said, John about the offense. People assume, you
know Lane Kiffen, the Lane Kiffen that you know was
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coaching guys who were up for the Heisman, and you know,
go back to Matt Lioner at Mark Sanchez that group
when he was working with Steve Sarkisian and was around
it and even some of the guys at Alabama. Since then,
he has really changed. His offense is much more like
that Baylor Tennessee offense. And so it's a projection here.
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And I think, you know, Dart is pretty polarizing too.
There was a QB coach I talked to in the
NFL this morning who likes Tyler Shuck a lot more
than he likes Jackson Dart. And this coach, actually, I
think was thinks Jackson Dart's a big development piece because
of the offense is such a projection. He's like, I
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watched it, I watched five hundred throws and I'm still
not sure what I would be getting. So again, this
falls into the category of there's probably got to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Be three quarterbacks that go in the first round.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I would guess he's one I could see after some
of the conversations I've had with NFL QB coaches in
the last week, there's some Tyler Shuck is very intriguing
because of how people like how he looks, how he
It's almost like talking to a coach where they say
when they've interviewed him and met with him, his arm
is good, his athleticism is good. His age is what
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is is.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
But I think that is getting overblown.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But his injury history is something that you know, people
have to factor in because it's a real thing, all.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right, Bruce.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I wasn't even gonna bring him up to you, but
you brought him up, and I was grinning while you
were talking about Tyler Shuk because I fell in love
with the tape when I watched it. I gotta be
honest with you, He's really good and if you just
ignore the fact. And you shouldn't do this, by the way,
but if you just red pull yourself into believing that
the age doesn't matter and the injuries were just freak
things and they don't really impact later play. You know, Louisville,
unlike Ole Miss though it actually was a pro style offense.
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I think he can come and play pretty quickly. And
he's a really good athlete. You saw what he ran
at the combine. He has different arm angles, He's a
flexible athlete. There's a lot to like on that tape.
If you're just worrying about what he did as a
football player.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, and I the guys I talked to in the
NFL feel like I just said, Louisville that offense. Jeff
Brohm is a guy a lot of people really respect
as a quarterback guy. I think if there's a pause here,
I don't think it's his age, it's there's a little
bit of feeling of when things break down, does he
It's almost like he's too smart for his own good worth.
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Sometimes they'll say he was a little over analytical and
you know, gets a little bit almost bamboozled by what's
coming at him.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But he is a He's a very good athlete.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You saw him run at the combine that people have
been talking about that from the time he was early
in his career, before he even got.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
To Lubbock at Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Again, this was the first year he was able to
stay healthy, and I think that's the one concern. But he,
as much as anybody I I heard about, really impressed
NFL coaches with when they sat down and talked to
him about how sharp he is. I think he shined
more than some of the other guys because what you
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here was some guys who do well in the interview
is Yeah, I think he was. I've heard good things
and I think he was kind of you know, coached
up for the interview and you know this part of it,
whereas Shuck, I feel like just kind of shine through
where they were like it was almost like talking to
another coach or a guy who's been in here.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
He's super smart.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, he has been playing football for seven years ago,
So I guess I should probably help you that spot.
All right, Okay, I think that's great stuff on the QBS.
Let's go to the two guys that the Giants might
be selecting between a number three if they decide they
don't want to do the go the shoot or route. Whoever,
the Browns don't select Abdul Carter or Travis Hunting, Let's
go with Carter. You mentioned some of the stuff he
did in the offseason in terms of some of the
(11:16):
Freaks testing. We talking about that we did the Freaks
List interview back in August.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You think he's around like two fifty. Is that what
is playing we you think?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, John, I would say this, and I know I
feel like we might have talked about this, you know,
on when we talked about the Freaks List in the
past on your show. But I've been doing that for
twenty years. If you ask, if you pin me down,
said what school do you put the most stock in
when they give you numbers, it's actually Penn State.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
The track record of guys se Kwon, Mike SICKI, uh oay,
you know, Chop Robinson. They've had a bunch of them,
and those guys end up shining at the combine.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
There's been just a lot of dudes who have been
that way.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I'd say every single guy has exceeded what I was
told they did the previous year.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
But it's it's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
And you know, like all the coaches I've talked to,
because I have another story that will go up, and
this is from like the NFL coaches side of it.
The guys who faced him in college raved about his
get off and how how fast he is.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And sudden.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
And I'm hearing it also from NFL position coaches who
just think he's different than this is a really good
D line class, you know, not just edge guys, but
also interior guys.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
He's he is the headliner of the group though, And.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
A lot of people see Michael Parsons and I get why, right,
same helmets, same number, really athletic player that comes off
the edge. But the comparison you got was Von Miller,
which is should be eye opening, I think, because I
don't think an NFL coach or a college coach would
flippantly compare somebody to Von Miller.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
It was a guy who coached in the NFL who
is now a Big Ten assistant, and he said he
explained the stuff that Michael Parsons really wins at and
is really good at.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I don't see, that's not.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
That's not what Abdul Carter's been doing, he said, but
in terms of being like really bendy and like rare
like that like von Miller is, he goes, that's who
I see. You know, von Miller was like a real
track guy in high school. Abdul Carter runs like that,
but there is some physicality to him. There's a there's
a speed rusher who probably will go late in the
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first round, James Pearce from from Tennessee who ran four
four seven at the combine at two hundred and forty
five pounds. He's more one dimensional speed rusher guy. There's
legit some character concerns and maturity concerns with him. Carter
Carter is more than one dimensional. I mean he's that,
he's got that kind of he's got that club in
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his bag.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
But there's a lot more to it.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, absolutely, I'm with you. Were there any besides the injuries,
red flags or yellow flags that people raised up that
teams should be thinking about if they decide to take
card or like in the top three.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
No, I think you just got to know that he's
really played one year as an edge rusher. He was
an off ball linebacker before that. So if you watch him,
like my Crew was for Fox. We were at the
West Virginia Penn State. It was a season opener, and
west Rio is a really good offensive tackle who might
probably slide in his guard Wyatt Mielam. But he's a
really really good football player. I would argue he's probably
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I don't know if he's good enough to be a
first round player, but he was like an All American
caliber guy. His arm length isn't ideal. He did a
really good job against Abdul Carter when they were matched up.
But when you watched Abdul Carter over the rest of
the season, he kept getting better and better and better.
Even when he was like a little gimpion laid in
the playoff he went off when he was injured, he
(14:55):
still played really well. Again, I think he's going to
be a terrific NFL football The.
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of Eli Manning. All right, let's go to Travis Hunter,
and you know, he's a really interesting player. I think
better cornerback now than wide receiver. I think that was
something that was mimicked to you and said to you
by a bunch of coaches as well. And really the
change the direction of the ball skills were the traits
(15:41):
that jumped out to the guys that evaluated him.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Right, Yeah, I think the thing that I would get
back is it's harder to find what he has as
a cornerback than it is what he is as a receiver.
He's a really really good receiver. He's a great cornerback.
Potentially he can make difference making plays because his ball
skills are our elite. His as a receiver, his ability
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to track a ball also elite. His ability to burst
and make plays. You know, there's zero stiffness to him.
It's like he's like a cat in terms of he
dropped him out of off a building, He's going to
land on his feet and be ready to pounce.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
He's just he's a rare athlete the line.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I would go back to the defensive coordinator of Colorado,
Robert Livingston, who spent a dozen years in the NFL,
mostly for the Bengals as a scout but then became
their safeties.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Coach said, what do you think he would run?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
If he ran and we knew he probably was going
to run at the combine, and he said, I would
guess he's probably four four oh, maybe four three eight.
He said, But if you lined up and gathered all
the fastest guys who are going to be at the combine,
had to race betting on Travis, you.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Know, he's he's really special.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I think he wants to be a corner receiver more
than cornerback right now. That's going to be interesting how it,
you know, unfolds over time. You know, one of the
coaches I talked to as an offensive coordinator said, when
you watched him at Pro Day the other day, it's
like some of the routes and some of the stuff
he's doing that's not going to work in the NFL.
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This is not seven on seven football, and so I
think that's not all in his game.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
He's got other stuff to him.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
But you know, it's going to be It's going to
be interesting to see the direction it plays. But like
I said, I think he's the best athlete in the draft.
I think he's I think he will be a star.
I'm just curious how his path plays out, how much receiver,
how much cornerback? Where does he settle if he ends
up settling in one side of it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You mentioned you have a story coming up where you're
talking to NFL coaches. Did you have you talked to
anyone that's in the NFL about how they would try
to handle him playing both sides, how quickly you ease
him into one end, how you manage the meetings which
are happening simultaneously, and just how you would go about
that process. You're trying to maximize it impact on the
next level.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I haven't. I did talk to like one offensive coordinator
who thought he was just better as a as a
dB and said, there's a lot I think you'd really
do have to work on, like some of the stuff
I see that he does. You know, did it pro day?
It's like I got Jalen Ramsey over you. How are
you going to win? You're not gonna be able to
do that? And so I think there's like, you know,
(18:24):
real questions in terms of that that not like people
doubt him people. I think people like him a lot
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
It's just an interesting conversation and probably ongoing conversations that
are going to be had.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You have Mason Graham going fifth, Kenneth Grant, his teammate,
going thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Two very different sized players.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I know, I thought it was interesting that you think
Mason Graham probably plays a lot heavier than when he
waited in at the combine.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And I think he's a really safe player.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But you don't know how many teams think how much
upsiding necessarily has, which is almost a little bit of
the opposite for Grant.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Do you think people think his best football's ahead of him?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah? Yeah. Grant was this guy who was a three
star recruit out of Indiana, and Jim Harball was wowed
by him when he showed up. He was almost three
hundred and sixty pounds and ran like a sub fiveh
forty and talking to it, like, I know a lot
of the Michigan guys, they're like the stuff that you
would see at practice would would wow you. I mean,
he was probably three forty plus at times, and he
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would run down fast guys. He did it against Penn State.
K Tron Allen will be in the draft next year.
Really good all around running back. He ran down k
Tron Allen. I want to say twenty yards downfield, like.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
The best comparison. It's it's probably an unfair one to make.
Is some dexter lawrence in there. You know, he's got length,
he's explosive.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
He's not Vita Vea in terms of like throw, you know,
overturn a car strength, but he is. He is really strong.
He can move. It's just a consistency thing. But like
a lot of the coaches I talked to in the
NFL are very interesting in him, very intrigued by him.
With Graham, you have a former, you know, high school
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wrestler who plays like that, you know, very relentless. I
would guess he's probably closer to going to be around
three hundred and ten pounds. I think everybody likes him
a lot. I don't know if anyone's gonna say, because
you know, I talked to position coaches in the NFL
who think there could be twelve d lineman go after
(20:26):
Abdul Carter He's probably the one if you want to
call an edge rusher d lineman, right, I would say
he's probably the next one to go. You know, I
don't know if you see him as like, will this
guy be a potential like defensive player of the year.
Maybe not, But people like him a lot. I don't
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know if anybody like loves them, loves them. They like
him a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, Now I'm with you, and I think that I
don't see why you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
When you watch the tape, Jillen Walker, you kind of
have as your next guy coming off. When you talk
to people, do they see him as an edge do
they see him as an off ball guy someone that
can do both? Because I think with his size, skills
and from my understanding, like that guy's gonna be like
a future CEO. He's so impressive as a person. Where
do people talk about him fitting in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
So, in the last couple of days I talked to
two different D line guys, both had been in college
not that long ago, and they were split. They had
different opinions on him. They both liked him a lot.
One guy was like, I think he's in the linebacker
room because I think he could be a great off
the ball linebacker and then we move him in on
you know, pass rush situations. But I think that's what
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he is. The other guy thought he was. He was
a shade below Abdul Carter. You know, Abdul Carter bigger
and probably will be bigger. But everybody loves his character.
You know what Georgia coaches who have had a lot
of really big time NFL defensive players say about him.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I will say this.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
One of the D line coaches I talked to you
yesterday said he's actually thinks Michael Williams is going to
do the better player in the NFL. He's bigger. Michael
Williams is much bigger.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
He said.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
He is nasty, physical, And he said, but he was
the guy who's playing hurt. Last year and now when
they played Texas and they played him twice, both guys
went off against against legit NFL players on Texas.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Texas had two.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Offensive line offensive tackles. One guy I think will be
a pretty safe bet as a first round pick this year.
The other guy, probably if he had stayed, would have
been a first round pick next year. He opted to
come out early, and I don't know if that was
the you know, the probably the best move for him.
But those those guys got whipped by the two Georgia guys.
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And I think Jalen Walker's If you ask me what
I take Abdill Carter over him, I'd say probably not
because I think the upside is just a little different there.
But I think Jalen Walker is like a surefire legit
NFL stud for ten twelve years. I think he's really
really good.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, I think both him and Michael Williams can very
well be top ten picks. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Your two corners. I think it's the only two corners
you had in your first round.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Joddy Baronet of Syracuse ahead of Will Johnson, which, by
the way, that's all I have it ranked on my board,
and then Will Johnson, who I know teams he's like
like the based on what you've were getting from people
kind of like me, they're still trying to figure out
exactly what he is.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I mean, I think he's a zone corner who the
coaches and I know the guys who who had him
at Michigan think he is super smart, like like rare
vision of how he prepares and plays like he sees
it like a quarterback. He's got really good size. I
mean he's they said he's bigger than what they said.
He played it two oh five. I mean he came
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into the combine or whenever it's six two one ninety four.
They said he's six to two oh five. Every day.
They think he's a four to four eight kind of guy.
That the question a little bit is on his speed.
I think on the best case scenario that they were
trying to compare him to would be Patrick Surtan. I
think that with what we've seen Patrick Surtan become in
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the NFL, like he was really good and really polished
in the NFL and sorry at Alabama, you know, when
he came out, I want to say it was like J. C.
Horn was also come at you know, if it came
out of South Carolina. I think there was some people
who were like liked certain maybe didn't love him. Some
loved him, some were like, oh okay, you know I
saw I forgot who the receiver was who put it
(24:33):
on him pretty good in the SEC. But Will Johnson,
I think you know you look at and say okay,
and again another Alabama cornerback.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
You know, last year the Lions.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
So Terry On Arnold, who had you know, issues with
a lot of you know, holding penalties and everything else,
didn't run great, you know, good instincts. You know, this
guy has I think has really good instincts. He's really smart,
made a lot lot of big plays. He has had
turf toe this, you know, for half the year, so
he was not the same guy. I think he's a
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safe first round pick. But the other guy, you know, Baron,
really blossomed this year. He's a really good tackler, he's
very instinctive, makes a lot of plays on the ball.
He's not he's not huge, but I think he's just
a really really good football player.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Like a couple of years ago, you.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Know, Illinois had a great secondary and oh god, I'm
trying to remember who the I want to say it
was like a guy who when he measured in he
was like five eleven, one eighty five and nine blanket
on his name.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
But Witherspoon, thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Everybody who played against Witherspoon thought Witherspoon was like two
hundred or two of five because he was physical and
had an edge to him and there was just something
about him. I'm not saying that they're they're they're very comparable.
But I think in the terms of the competitiveness and
the instinctiveness, I think there's there's some of that that
sounds the same.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
When you talk to people who respect him.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Wow, I think that is high praise. All right.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I'm trying to package come to these positions together. So
you have Tyler Warren at fourteen, Colston Loveland at twenty two.
Talking to people that played against these guys in college,
what kind of separates them as opponents.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Warren's a little bigger body, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I think Loveland was was a willing blocker, but he
was also playing from what I was told, through like
some injury last year. The other thing that I think
was a detriment for him was they had a terrible offense.
They had bad quarterback and not much help at receiver.
The only way they were going to get him the
ball where he was not going to be like doubled,
was like on first down situations where it was like, hey,
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it was going to be play action. We're going to
try to find ways to scheme him to get him
something where he's not like the defense isn't majoring in
Colston Loveland, but he can really run.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
He's very fluid. I think he's a true legit first
round guy.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, Tyler Warren's different in that bigger body guy a
little bit. He's also you know, he played quarterback. He
did a lot of different stuff with him just to
get him the ball. And they had again, you know,
their quarterback play was better Drew Allers going to play
in the NFL. Their receiver play was not great at all,
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and there were a better offense, but they found so
many different creative ways to get it. I think he
is still developing as good as he was. I think
for a bunch of people who looked at him this
time last year, I thought, love him, is the better prospect,
And then I think for some it definitely flipped. Not
a knock on Lovelan. I think it's just how far
Tyler Warren came, and I just think people, I think
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there's just again. I don't want to call him, you know, Kelsey,
because Kelsey is such a gifted athlete when things, you know,
make stuff happen. You know, however fast he is, he
just is just very athletic. Sometimes we devolve into thinking
like athleticism is best gauged by a you know, vertical jump,
broad jump, shuttles and a forty time. I think Kelsey's
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just really smooth athlete. I think Tyler Warren is that
way to a degree where he's just got some playmaker
in him.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, I don't want to put you on the spot.
Did you get any as you said they were the
most accurate. We haven't seen any testing on Tyler Warren.
Have you got any inkling from from Penn State like
what he runs and what some of his athletic metrics are.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I think they think he's you know, in the four
to six is somewhere like that. I think they think
he's a good athlete. Again, I don't think he's going
to be somebody like Elijah Arroyo from Miami. I think
he is more of a run like a wide receiver guy.
He's got good size and he has you know, we're
talking about shuck before with the injury history. This is
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the first year Elijah Royo was kind of cut, loose
and able to go. And I think he will be
a steal for somebody if he doesn't go in the
first twenty five picks, because I think he's a playmaker
as long as he stays healthy.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I'm with you. I love that you Carmon in your
top twenty.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
He is a lewsome Byron On, not Byron Murphy, who
was the Murphy out of Texas last year. At the
defensive tackle there's Murphy, Yeah, bier Murphy. Sorry, yeah, I
was thinking I was getting conve use at the corner.
I think he is a lot of those vibes. He
could play three tech, probably a tick below what Murphy
was last year.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
But man, Derek Harmon was a fun player to watch.
He was really good.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I think that whatever they did with him that was
different from when he was at Michigan State, right, that's
where he came from.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
With the transfer, it really clicked. He was a hell
of a player last year.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah. I mean credit to Toash sleup boy who was
like coaching the NFL and was a former d Lion
guy himself, And I think that they knew he had
pretty special talent and he's a really good interior pass rusher.
He's bigger than Murphy's probably he might be twenty pounds bigger.
They had another guy, It's interesting we're talking about him.
Jamari called Well is probably twenty five pounds bigger than him.
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He's a little more of a bad body guy, but
really good feet. I think he will be a steal
you know, maybe a couple of rounds later. The guy
everybody taught that the star quote unquote of that group
was actually Birch from who had been a five star
and is out of high school, went to South Carolina flashed,
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but he always wondered. I mean he's a guy who
was like six' five to ninety and could. Run BUT
i think people aren't sure what he is in THE.
NFL i think he's going to be a top fifty
pick because he'll be too it'll be hard to pass.
Up but you had those three guys and then Dj
Uey angolile who people know that. Name he won't be
AN nfl, quarterback but he was a you, know played At,
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clemson bounced around like his younger Brother matteo is not
in this, draft but he will be AN, nfl probably
a starting defensive. END i, mean they have a really
deep d line room. There so when you talked about
what it Was Derek harmon getting into that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Like he and he.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Played, WELL i mean he WASN'T i don't think he
was like the same kind of player As. Mason he's,
different BUT i think he's intriguing for a lot of
people because they see the.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Talent all, right let's get to the two wide receivers
that you have going in the top Twenty tech McMillan
And Matthew.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Golden just a couple of picks.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Away you, KNOW i for some, REASON i feel like
it it's not cool anymore to THINK tep McMillan's really.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Good but you watch, him and he's really.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Good and the one THING i KNOW i mentioned to
you is that he runs some of his routes half.
SPEED i noticed that. TOO i was wondering if that
was intentional piecing of his routes or. Not but you
can get into. That and THEN i just Thought Matthew, golden,
like if you want A z that's just gonna run
great routes and be very precise with what he does
and be your number.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Two he's perfect for.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
That, yeah To.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Golden talking to coaches At, texas they felt like he
probably matured and went from being the book on him
was he was an okay practice player when he was
A houston AND i guess in the you, know like
a couple of a little bit after he got To,
texas something the light came on and he became a
great practice. Player his. Speed some of the COACHES i talked,
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to at least ONE dB coach was, LIKE i didn't
think he was a four to two nine. GUY i
thought he was a low poor. Guy but he was,
like if he ran, it that's what he. Is he's
a really good route. Runner he's a really good football.
Player McMillan Ted roll McMillan was a huge high school
recruit because he was just this guy who would dominate
in seven on. Seven he's six, forties two. Twenty he
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has the best ball skills to come out of college
in a. WHILE i don't know who would be in
the running with.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Him Maybe Travis, hunter, right.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, try but this guy is. Different he Just Travis
hunter has great ball. Skills this guy makes. Wow by the,
way speaking Of Travis, Hunter Travis, hunter one of the
touchdowns he gave, up and he didn't give up a
lot in. College go find the film from twenty twenty
three where Where TEAM at got. Him you know he
there's some stuff where he almost seems unguardable at. Times Jed,
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fish who is now The university Of washington head coach
who recruited him To. Arizona he spent a long time
in THE nfl around a lot of great, athletes he,
said McMillan is the best athlete he's ever. Seen his
hand eye coordination is the best he's ever been. AROUND i,
think you, know because he has a real high level
volleyball background and played, basketball but volleyball. Especially that's what
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McMillan told. Me he attributes to his ability to go
up and catch footballs and his, timing AND i think
some of those things are just really. RARE i can
see why he's. Polarizing like you said in the piece
THAT i wrote in The, athletic one of the things
came up was one of the, coaches LIKE i watched
him on film and it does like why is he being?
Lazy he, goes but he never came off the, field
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and he was. There he was their whole, offense like
His Noah fafita was his is his best. Friend that's the.
Quarterbacks you, know He's adam since he was eighth. Grade
that was his go to guy. Whenever and SO i
think everybody knew if you were going to Stop, arizona
you had to try and to deal with, him and
he Was he was as good a player as there
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was a. Receiver in twenty twenty three when they were
finished in the top twelve and really came out of
nowhere to have a great. Year last, year new coaching
staff came, in they changed the. OFFENSE i think there
was a lot of things that started to fall apart
At arizona around that, program AND i think some of
the things that are probably made him a little. POLARIZING
(34:22):
i THINK i THINK i would attribute some of those
things to a coaching transition where things started to.
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Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah AND i think what impresonally be about him his,
size his ability to run after the. Catch you don't
have many six to, four two hundred twenty pound Guys,
bruce as you know that can catch turned into a
runner and be dangerous with the ball in his.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Hands but he actually is really good at that for guys'.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Size he, is and there's some stuff you see on
film where he does run away from. People he's not
a pro. Day he's not A, nfl you, know like
a combine. GUY i don't, know you, know if he
ran four or five, Nine i'd be, like, yeah that's
a pretty good time for. Him i'm not sure IF
i think he's faster than, that but he just makes
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Plays, yeah and he gets.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Open all, right the pass rushers, HERE i want to
get to the next group of. Edges you Have GREEN
i think is the first next guy, off then you Have.
Eziraku they're kind of in your top, twenty and then
you have three guys between twenty eight and thirty, One Nick,
Gordon James, pierce And Chamar. STEWART i feel like there's
gonna be from team to, team roll to, role scheme to,
scheme board to. Board those five guys might move around
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a little bit based on their, size red flags which
are different for some of those. GUYS i feel like
that's a messy group and from team to team that
order might be very.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Different you're, right there's some guys who are not on
probably people's. BOARDS i Mean Mike, green who started his
career At virginia and then went To.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Marshall he's a, really really good football.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Player if it wasn't questions about the character and some
of the lead, HISTORY i think.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He would be the top guy of that. Group you,
know you.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Watch him on, film you hear what people say about.
Him Charles, huff who is now the head coach At
southern miss was the coach At. Marshall he'd come From,
alabama where he's an. Assistant he. Said he told me
before the start of the year because he was a
micro is a freakslist guy for, me he. Said he
reminds me a lot Of Will. ANDERSON i don't know
if he's quite as strong As, will but he's probably more.
Explosive And Will anderson's tround out to be a hell
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of AN nfl player. Already SO i think if teams
check out from him character, wise and if they're comfortable with,
HIM i think he's a guy who would go the
first of. Them As, iraq who's the most polished rusher
in terms of what he can do moves, wise brings
a lot to the. TABLE i think everybody kind of likes.
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Him i'm not sure if anybody loves the, athleticism you,
know in terms of the, upside and.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
They think he'll be a good. Player is there greatness?
THERE i don't.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Know pierce is the one who will like light it
up at the combine and he did that and he
does make some, plays but he's the knock on him
is from WHAT i, gather is not like a legal.
Issue it's more of like how coachable is? He and
there's there's some concerns about that from what people have.
Heard also a little question about is he one? Dimensional
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but that one dimension he is a speed rusher and
he he's he is he can be a. Problem you,
know the Two TEXAS a AND m guys are. Interesting
Shamar stewart tests off the. Charts you, know people like,
him it's just they want to see more. Production four
and a half sacks in three. Years usually it's just
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a head. Scratcher there's talent, there it's just you, know
can you get at? Him you, know like he had
a good he had good coaches in. College Sean, spencer
who was THE d line coach you know of The,
giants has had a lot of really good. PLAYERS i
KNOW d line coaches think highly Of Shawn, spencer but
it was, like you, know, look he had a really
GOOD d line around. Him, also he might not be
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the Best chamar out of THAT d line. Room to be,
Honest Schamar turner is an inside guy FROM a AND
m who might turn out to Be they're different, players
but probably would not be surprised if it turn out
to be a BETTER nfl. Player scorton is very. Interesting
he Was he led The Big ten in sacks when
he was At. Purdue he was a nineteen year old
team captain in twenty twenty. THREE i think that is
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a significant factor for him because it speaks to his
character and leadership in a. Way that bad team still
was the captain of. It to be voted to a
team captain at, nineteen especially for a kid From texas who,
moves you, know goes To, purdue it's so it's, LIKE
i think that speaks to. Him made a lot of.
Plays he got. Big he was two hundred and eighty
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five pounds last. Year he made some plays and then
he got, down lost almost thirty pounds for his pro.
Day he's pretty. POLISHED i think there's he has good body.
Control he's not as.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Twitchy As stuart.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Tested BUT i think he's going to be a really
good enough football players just like what is how are
they gonna play? Him AND i think it depends on
what the team, is BUT i think there's a lot
of versatility. THERE i think he is a really really
good football. Player if you ask me to rank the
five of them, again if if you're comfortable With Mike
green off the, FIELD i think he's. WON i actually
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Think scorton might might end up better than As, araku
but it just demends on where he goes from.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
There, Yeah i'm with, you all.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Right a couple offensive linemen at the end of your board,
year because these are guys that maybe The giants could
consider a thirty four year agree's able at twenty. THREE
i think it Was Josh shimmons coming off that the
bad knee injury at twenty. Six and then a couple
of guys that didn't make your. Board i'm curious as
to how close they. Came i'm gonna go With Josh,
connelly the tackle out Of, oregon and then the two
Guards Donovan jackson And Tyler, booker WHO i think are
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really good football, players if you want to go through
that kind of the very end of your offensive line
group here a little.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Bit, YEAH i Think booker is a first round talent
as a. Guard he, is you, know he can really.
Anchor he is very small ART i could see somebody.
LIKE i think he's a really safe. Pick Donovan. JACKSON
i think it's a safe pick. Too he's more versatile position.
Wise he played some left tackle and didn't play bad at.
It he's, athletic he's very very. Smart you. KNOW i
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think he's probably best at, guard BUT i think he
probably could play some right tackle if you needed him.
To the Two josh is they're different in this. Regard
Josh connelly was a huge recruit coming out of high,
school went To. Oregon looks the, part good. PLAYER i don't.
KNOW i Think Josh simmons has more. Upside Josh simmons
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wasn't a, big bigger. Recruit started out At San Diego
state and then went in The portal and The cardinals
off offensive line, coach Now Justin fry had been AT
ucla and then he went to and he had Seen Josh.
Simmons they tried to recruit him coming out of high.
School he got him At Ohio. STATE i, mean if
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he was, healthy BECAUSE i think he. Is he was pretty,
raw but he got a lot better this year before
he got hurt in The oregon. Game ironically, enough he's
a guy that they told me they think he'd run
in the high four eights and he probably vertical jumped
thirty five thirty six. Inches he's a really good athlete
who probably if he was not hurt for the second
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half of the season and was able to go on
that playoff run that they went, on might be a
top fifteen.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Pick Gray.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Zabel from the COACHES i talked to in that, league
they think he's a good, player and he's a really
good athlete and obviously had a good week at The Senior.
Bowl some of the coaches THAT i talked, to at
least one, particular felt like a couple of the guys
who came out of The Missouri Valley Spencer brown Being
Oney maker another, one like they thought those guys are
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a little better than. Him but they think he's a
really good player and he's. VERSATILE i feel Like i'm missing.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
One Uh, NO i, KNOW i think you hit them.
All you got?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Him, Okay, YEAH i was gonna ask About Calvin. Banks
the people see him as daughter of tackle.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Us you, know some of the PEOPLE i talk to
think he can is a.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Tackle they to his, credit he played really well early
in his career when he played Against Dallas, turner who
is an explosive edge, guy but also Against Will anderson
early in his, career and they said that speaks to
like his, character his, maturity his. Preparation they think he's really.
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GOOD i, MEAN i don't know how. Much one of
the COACHES i talked to At texas brought this. Up
he's like he's playing with him a lot on his.
Mind his mom is battling health issues all, year got really.
Sick people really like, him both the coaches who played
him and also the coaches WHO i talk TO i
know At. Texas, AGAIN i think of the Two texas,
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tackles he's the much more, mature much more finished. Product
if he went in the, top you, know in the top,
TWENTY i wouldn't be totally.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Surprised, yeah and then And Mecha buka is number thirty
two On Your. Life he's very safe.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Player everyone was just raving about what a high floor player.
Is i'm with you on that led to get your
take on. Him and then two, receivers, well well one
receiver that didn't make your listen With Luther burden whether
what you heard about him from opponents, Then but was
there was any other wide receiver that came close to
making the cut in your first?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Round aboukas LIKE i had to have him in The,
like if he's still there at thirty, two you, know
whoever gets him HiT's the. JACKPOT i think he's one
of the best receivers who's come out Of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
State, like he's super.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Smart he's a little bigger than people assume he was
like five or eleven or.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Ninety, no he's bigger than.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
That he's.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
NOT i think he can play, Outside. BRUCE i don't
think he's necessarily a slot only.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Guy he could play.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
ANYWHERE i, mean he's he's he's a little, fast he's.
Everything plus he's a little faster than people tend to.
Think he's a little bigger than people tend to. Think you,
know he's really. SMART i Mean Ryan day had told
us when he was a freshman he thought he was
like the, smartest savviest football player they had in the
program at the. Time you, know and you think of
(44:01):
the guy and he's really. Productive now he got. Overshadowed
it's because the number the guy who would have been
the number one pick in the draft of he was
eligible to come, Out Jeremiah smith has to stay in
college for two more. Years Jeremiah smith is like almost six,
four two thirty and can run like the.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Wind so he overshadowed A.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Buka BUT i think A bukah's A you, know if
you ask me who DO i think will be a
more productive? Player him Or Matthew golden in his, CAREER
i would take A buca very.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Good and then how Come burden didn't make your list
than any other wide receiver came.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Close, Yeah burden gets compared a lot and did in
college To Deebo.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Samuel he's.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Not debo is like more, physical Like burdon's really good
with the ball in.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
His hands after.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
IT i don't think he's quite as, polished but he's
a really good football player in terms of What i'm,
sorry what was the second? One you just asked?
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Me if there are any other wide receivers that that
that came close To?
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Kraken, NO i Think Jalen knowl From Iowa state is
a tremendous football. Player he's super, physical one one big
ten defensive. Back to coach from part of The Hines,
ward he, said he's really, physical really. Nasty both Both
Iowa state receivers are really. Good they're very, different but
(45:20):
this one they were, LIKE i think he is a
guy who will be a really GOOD nfl.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Player he's.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Explosive he's just, short you, know he's five to ten
ish one hundred and ninety. Pounds looks like a running
back for Everything i've, heard WOULD i, WOULD i would
buy his.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Stock i'm with.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
You how About Walter? Nolan why didn't he make it
into your top thirty?
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Two he fits into a little of the category of
boom or. Buss he's very. EXPLOSIVE i think there's some
things a little bit of concern about how does how
will he? Fit you, KNOW i think he will be
gone in the top thirty, Five BUT i, don't you,
know he's he might be the most explosive interior guy in.
DRAFT i just think there's some things that people are
(46:03):
a little bit a little bit concerned. With and AGAIN
i don't think it's like character legal issue. Stuff it's
just like some other things that you, know depending on
who you talk, to you're, like, uh you, KNOW i
could see him being really good and he'll make some wild,
plays but then there's some consistency issues THAT i think
is something that gives people a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Pause all, Right, Bruce, finally you did thirty two players.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Here you obviously know a whole lot more about a
lot of the other guys coming out here are giving
your breadth of knowledge of college. Football who are some
other guys that either didn't make your list or you
just like that you talk to people about that you
think fans should know about heading into the twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
Draft good. QUESTION i have to think about that Because
i'm like so wired into who is the first part of.
THAT i think there's a handful of guys where you'll, Say,
OKAY i don't know where this guy. Goes you, know
if it's a you, KNOW i start looking and, Like,
okay where do people think this guy's going to? Go
(47:00):
Like Ohio state had a middle Linebacker Cody, simon WHO
i think is probably a fourth fifth round. GUY i
think he's better than, that where he's a good, athlete
not a great, athlete but a good. Athlete james loriniis
was his position coach At Ohio.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
State you can't shut him up About Cody.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Simon he loves him character, wise leadership, wise playmaker really came.
ON i think he's A he's an outstanding football. Player
he's one THAT i think is much. Better i'll give
you TWO d, linemen two defensive. Tackles One Shamar turner
who's At TEXAS a AND. M i don't think he's
(47:39):
getting talked about. Enough he is a he's a very disruptive.
Guy and the other one Is sanders at AT. Tj
sanders At South. Carolina he's an explosive. Athlete i'm surprised
he's not getting discussed more as a top forty kind
of guy like he's he. Is he can move and
(48:01):
people really liked what they saw potentially of. Him SO
i think those, guys because it's such a DEEP d line,
GROUP i would put them high up there on.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
That and then my final, QUESTION i only like this
asked this question to everyone just because it's such a
deep group and there are so many good players and
everyone has a different, favorite and that's running. Back in
this draft, class it is a great. Class i've gone
through sixteen guys and to stole like another five or.
SIX i want to watch. IT i think are going
to be really. Good who's your favorite Non ashton Gent,
Y Omarion, hampton you, know Quin Shawn jenkins running back
(48:32):
from this.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
CLASS i think It's Trevon.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Henderson he was great when he first got To Ohio,
state then had some injuries with a little nicked. UP
i think he's you, know he's definitely seemed like he's
grown up a lot there and. Matured he is the
most explosive of the. BACKS i, mean he can make wild.
Plays he's a good. Receiver like it wouldn't shock me
if he was a guy who ran who went To Pro,
(48:56):
bowls you, know whether he goes in the second, ROUND
i would be shocked or somebody jumped into you, know like
jumped up up for him in the first round because
he's playmaking. Skills, AGAIN i don't want to, compare like
he's different a little bit Than Jamier, gibbs but there's
some wow like like that WHERE i think he's the
one two punch with another bigger back where he makes
(49:19):
a lot of a lot of great wow. Plays to,
me he's the one who's a little. Different Caleb johnson
From iowa is similar To omari And, hampton but my
guess is the price on him will be like thirty
picks lower because he didn't run four four six or
Whatever hampton. Did BUT i think he's got some nastiness
to him AND i think HE'S i think he'll be
(49:42):
a really good running. Back but Treyvon hendersons has like
has superstar potential in, him WHERE i don't know IF
i would say that about some of the other guys in.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
There brids recording This wednesday is going to go out Next,
Monday so tell the folks anything besides the great monk
draft you have on the athletic that you have coming out,
there they should keep their eyes.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
On. Yeah the Piece i'm working on now is really
talking to a lot of position coaches in THE nfl
about what they're, getting you, know what their impressions of,
guys because sometimes the position coaches aren't necessarily the ones
who get to stock their. Room it's usually A gm
or you, know head coach has more say so than they.
Do BUT i always feel like it's THOSE i love
the CONVERSATIONS i end up in, for you, KNOW i
(50:21):
started that late last week and it's been heavy this
week AND i think it'll be out probably the.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
The week of the.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Draft that's, Great, Bruce you're always so generous with your.
TIME i love talking to you a breadth of. Knowledge
thank you so much for the, time and we'll talk
to you.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Soon always a. Pleasure Thanks.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
John That's Bruce feldman From Fox sports And The Athletic
we thank you all for joining us today from The
Hackensack Meridian health podcast, Studio keep Getting better on The
Giants little, podcast.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Brought to you By Citizens Official bank of The. Giants
thank you so much for being with. Us we'll continue
our coverage of the draft until it comes our way
in a little bit more than a. Week until, then
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