Giants Huddle | Nate Tice

On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk sits down with Nate Tice from Yahoo Sports, to discuss his draft big board, his favorite receivers in the draft, and some scenarios for the Giants pick at #3.

:00 - Wide receivers

12:17 - Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter

21:20 - Quarterbacks

29:38 - Edge rushers

35:48 - OLine and DLine prospects

43:15 - Running backs

46:46 - Nate Tice’s favorite prospects

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
I am John Schmelk.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Joined for the second year to row by Nate Tice,
now of the Football three to oh one podcast with
Charles McDonald. I just grinded through your like two hour,
fifteen minute wide Receiver podcast this morning with with with
Matt Harmon. That was a good one. We'll talk about
that a whole lot more. Nate, good to see it, man,
How are you good.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
To see as well? I I'm really glad to be here.
I actually was just funny. I just came across an
old mock draft I had from last December and that's
when I first paired the weak Neighbors to the Giants,
and it was one of those things where I was like, sometimes,
you know, broken clock, broken clock is right twice a day.
But the neighbors experience has been a lot of fun. Actually,
last year's rookie class for the giants is a lot

(00:55):
of fun. So I'm hoping to talk about maybe some
more guys.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
They can get this here, well, I want to break
it down. Where are you on your big board right now?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I literally I have seventy four of seventy five guys
written up. I have my seventy fifth guy. Literally, that's
what I was doing before I just hopped onto here guys.
Players seventy five. Actually, player seventy five is written up
by to write up player seventy four, which is Jalen
Royal's receiver from Utah State and my bullet point notes.
Just have to put in the pros to make it legible.

(01:22):
But yeah, updating the top seventy five, I got the
order mostly done. There's a couple of tweaks I gotta do,
but it's I'm pretty excited to kind of get that
out there and be done with it for a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Who's the guy in the top seventy five that maybe
he didn't deserve it, but you love him so much
you had to put him in, And he's getting in there,
come hell or high water.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Tory Horton, I know, and I am for sure the
high guy and him he's currently sixty eight, but we'll see,
but he'll be in that range once it's all said
and done. Yeah, he made my top seventy five. I
just like him. I just think I watched enough of
them last year. He made my initial top fifty going
into the season. He battled an ACL injury this year,

(02:02):
so not a lot of film this year, but productive long.
He moves a lot like and I said this on
the pod, the Football three oh one pod, was that
he moves like DeVante Smith. I'm not saying the same
skill level, but they have that long legged build, but
they're not stiff yea like they actually can They're actually agile.
He was a great punt returner. He has three punt
return touchdowns. But I like him. It's got length, he's productive,

(02:25):
he's got good hands. I actually think his route running's
pretty good. And he's skinnier, but I didn't think play
strength was an issue as well. I think he's gonna
be a really nice number two for somebody and actually
be able to contribute early on. So Yeah, Tory Horton
kind of my high guy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
What I like about Horton is that a lot of
these big guys when they get to the top of
the routes. Then they drew up the pitter patter like
a lot to get in and out of their break.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
He doesn't have to do that. He's he's pretty stunted
at the top there.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yes, stuck is the word. I always kind of come
to get stuck at the top of his routes, and
usually that's the big guy conundrum is like, yeah, you know,
Mike Williams can dunk on a lot of guys, but
don't ask him to break on a single route because
there's gonna be five extra steps. He's gonna be a
little high on it. And uh, that's actually you know,
even just going to the top of my receiver classes.

(03:08):
Why I like Totoria McMillan from Arizona is that he's
so big, but he's actually smooth and actually can get
in and out of his routes. That's why I'm super
high on him. He's three on my big board. I
just think he's a no brainer. That's one evaluation process
during his draft cycle, I've been a little confused by yeah,
going like, what do you guys know that I don't.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
By the way, no one and I've talked tried to
talk to people in the league too, and no one
can give me like a real answer as to why
they don't like dude. How about a six three and
a half guy that can actually run after the catch.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean he's great after.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
And catches everything. And he's a big guy that plays big.
But which is like, okay, great, good starting point. I
actually think he moves really well as far as his
long You know, he's not a home run hitter. I
get that, But the thing is like getting on base
and getting doubles is very valuable too. You know, I
don't care if you maybe hit don't hit forty home runs,
but maybe if you hit twenty five and get me

(04:03):
thirty five doubles, I'm great with that. And again on
base at four twenty, you know that that's great because
that he just comes down with everything and towards his body.
I actually think he's a good route runner already. I
have no qualms with I can't believe people think that's
a blemish on him. I think he's good. I don't
think it's projection at all. I think he's good on
breaking routes, which is unbelievable for such a big guy.

(04:24):
And also like if you're worried about the long speed.
Say he ran a four or five two to four
or five five, which is kind of be reported t
Higgins just got paid thirty million dollars runs a four
or five nine, you know, like it's it's how you
play and it's how you win. And I just think
he's I think he's gonna be a number one in
the league. And I'm just gonna stay high on him
because it.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Didn't Aj Green run a four or five. Oh. I mean,
like that's another one.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
It just doesn't matter, that type of body control, it,
it doesn't matter. Right now, you're you're the king of
liking the big wide receivers. Then we'll jump to the side.
So two questions. One, I'll start this one. Why aren't
you as high on Jaden Higgins as other people are?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Isn't that backwards I've been Still there's just okay. I
even I'm glad I got to talk to Matt Harmon
about it, because you know, Matt does such deep guys
in receipes. I do my four games, he does eight.
It's kind of the inverse. And then for quarterbacks, I
do my eight and then he does, you know, three
to four. So it's kind of perfect. But uh, with
with Higgins man, he's big, he's built like an axe,

(05:20):
he has a basketball background, he has has good hands.
He has very very few drops in his career, which
which shows up when you watch him. There's just something
to him where or something missing with him as far
as how he kind of separates. I also think that
while he's a basketball player and he can't has flashes
of high pointing the ball. I actually thought he was

(05:40):
sometimes disappointing at the catchpoint as far as being able
to get knocked away by smaller defenders, And that to
me is kind of a little worrisome. And I know
he's kind of coming to football a little later, you know,
but so was Ted McMillan. But you know so, but
I watch Higgins and there's just a little something just missing.
I wish I had more definitive answer than that, like

(06:01):
something to point to. But that's really what I come
to is that he's big, doesn't always play big not soft,
It's just that sometimes the hands aren't strong and he
comes away from it. He falls backwards as he's trying
to catch a ball as opposed to jumping up and
going get the rebound. Those guys are a little scary
to me because that's if you're six four players to
six y four and play like that. And it's weird

(06:23):
that his slot only teammate Jalen Nole, I'm really high on.
I love he's actually I actually think he's better at
the catch point than Higgins is, which is in Nole's
got twenty nine ch arms, got a little t Rex arms.
I know giants fan's right enough when Neel Robinson's but
it's like Nolan is, Noel has a little more juice
than the you know, Robinson's a little short arms. But

(06:44):
back to Higgins, it's just that I think in Matt
may have made a great point where this type of
skill set might be a guy that you move in
as a power slot role. He can stay off getting
pressed so he doesn't get jammed up and you know,
gets stuck even off coming off the press, come off
the line screen image. I also think it's route running
kind of needs a little bit of work. I've been
struggling word to actually stack him because it's a guy.

(07:06):
It's like if you go like I totally find someone
taking them in the second round, Like I totally get that.
I totally get this skill set. He catches the ball,
there's enough good stuff. He's a good athlete. Doesn't totally
test to what he tested, Like I.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Agree with him.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
He's just yeah, he's just got a little stiffness to him,
but not bad. He's above the base level I look at.
It's just one of those where it's just it's like,
what is his calling card other than being big and
sometimes not playing that big. So I just have some
blemishes with him. He's right around my top sixty. I've
been trying to figure out where to exactly stack him.
I have a kind of a group of receivers. I

(07:38):
have this in the same tier, and I'm still trying
to figure out which one I prefer. I got three
more hours until this I have to file this, so tough.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Man like I Actually I think the Day two wide
receiver class is actually really good. To be honest with you,
I think there's a lot of options in there. So
this is the last thing on wide receivers. We all
learn doing this process.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Every year. We learn new lessons.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
We figure things out as we go go back. Like
when I thought about Jayden Daniels last year, I'm like,
I don't know if he could throw over the middle.
All his productions on slot fades, and Kurt Warner said
something to me. He goes, John, don't criticize somebody for
not doing something they're not asked to do. And I'm like,
you know what, it's a really good point. And I
look back and I think I probably held that against
Jada Daniels. So I'm curious, you love Jalen Polk last

(08:20):
year when you look back at that evaluation, do you
think your evaluation was wrong? Do you think the situation
was just bad? What did you take out of that
with Polk?

Speaker 4 (08:31):
I think some of it some of it was situation, absolutely,
because the first month he looked encouraging, you know, the season,
and then like everything with the Patriots last year was
just like what is going on?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
That was bad?

Speaker 4 (08:43):
No, but I would say I may be valued And
actually neighbors is actually part of this conversation too. With
Roman Doonsay, who was post teammate at Washington. I had
them and I talked about some the receiver pods. I
had them great, exactly the same on my little kind
of unofficial scale, more of a color coding that I
like to use. But I really was trying to always

(09:05):
parse that where I was like, and duneesay is useful.
I think he can block. I can think he can
play inside and out. I think he's strong. I think
he does a lot well. But I don't think he's
like an exceptional exposive play player, you know. I think
he's more just like we were just talking about doubles hitters,
but I think he's just useful as the word, but
like a supreme useful, maybe a Chris Godwin type, I agree,
is really what I thought in Dunesday, and then Neighbors

(09:26):
was like, Okay, you know, there's a little lack of polish.
He has some drops that are frustrating, but the name
of the game in the NFL is explosive plays, and
Neighbors is a walking, talking, explosive play. And it wasn't theory,
it wasn't projection. It was like watch tape and watch
how he plays, and then you watch him with the
pros and it's like, oh, yeah, that's exactly what he
plays like. So getting to poke, I had Jalen Polk

(09:48):
and Lamb McConkie same grade, and I look at the
big board. They're stacked right next to each other. I
think I wrote him up in the same blurb and
just kind of said, hey, it's the flavor you want
with these guys, and that is So it's a long
winded answer to get to is that I think I
have not valued guys that create explosive plays as much
as opposed to I maybe value polish and usefulness a

(10:10):
little too much as opposed to can you generate explosive play?
And I think Polk is a great lesson. But this
is something I just really been meriting on because I
think receivers is the hardest position of the scout. I
think personally this is just me. I think it's harder
than quarterbacks. I feel I always feel pretty good about
my quarterback evaluations. Daniels was one I was a little
lower on, but rereading it, it's one of those where

(10:30):
it's like, man, I should have just trusted some of
the other things I saw as opposed to like like you,
Paul herping on some of the red flags. But receivers,
to me, is so much about team fit, so much
about asks, so much about just ye your role and everything.
But if you can generate exposive place no, sorry, this
is a better way to put it. I thought in
Douneesday was more scheme proof and situation proof because of

(10:54):
his usefulness, but really the explosive playability might make you
more scheme and situation proof and neighbors and that's other guys.
So it's something I've merited. I'm glad you asked me
this because it is something I have really been thinking
a lot about because I'm trying to Receivers are just
so hard and it's just so much what you value
and it's so team dependent. But if I'm just as

(11:14):
a neutral national evaluator, I have to realize what translates
better just overall and just you know, make myself look
a little better. So it is something I've been really
thinking on for for years of really.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
We all have missus and mistakes. Dude, don't don't beat
yourself over up over it, man like.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
And I feel like the Jalen Noel love is like
trying to I'm gonna make this right because that dude
goast people.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
No no the player that is for me to like, oh,
I'm going to make this right. U. You know, there's
a couple of receivers at the top of where I'm
just like, oh, you know this isn't my flavor. But
I get why you're gonna like, Okay, I get why
you guys like this, like even like Golden, like a
little bit at Matthew Golden has getting a lot of buzz.
I have a miss receiver three. I see him as
a first rounder or wait forst early second grade for

(12:00):
being technical about it. But a guy you're taking the
top thirty and him and the Mecca Abuka is the
exact same thing. It's like, do I think here I
am doing it again. I'm valuing the useful guy over
the explosive play generator.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
So that fairness, I think has a little bit more
pop than Polk.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Did I think he does? For sure?

Speaker 4 (12:19):
He does? He does. Yes, Abuka is a little is
a half tier. I have him great, a half tier
better than Polk. But it's the same archetype of player
that z slash power slot dirty slot player.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
So look, you just talked about a wide receiver that
explosive but is not extremely polished, then that's Travis Hunter
at the top. If you I think he's better corner
than receiver, but I could. I think if he comes
to the Giants, I think he probably played receiver more
than a corner in his first year. I don't think
Brian Dable would let a guy like that not be
part of his offense just because he wants to score
a lot of points. If you had the choice, and

(12:49):
you're the Giants and you're sitting there and aw dual
Quarter staring at you and Travis Hunter staring at you,
I don't think this is gonna be a realistic situation.
I think one of those guys are going to Cleveland.
Which guy would you pick?

Speaker 4 (12:57):
And why Travis Hunters a team like the Giants, where
I think it's a true take either, you know, like
where it's like I can make the argument about it.
Either Hunter is the better talent. God Carter's interesting to me.
I'll start with him is that he's two on my
big board. But I just it's weird. I don't fully

(13:21):
love them. I really really like him, but there's a
lot of blemishes with me that it's like this go
either way. In the NFL, this will be a gay
Okay is against the run. He can be a little
indifferent and he can knife inside and go rogue a
little too often, which more athletic edges do that they

(13:41):
call them better bees. You better be right when you
do that. It's one of my favorite saying. I love that.
It's such an old coach one that I just love.
But those guys, I get a little scared because it's like, Okay,
so you need to go rogue to create place as
opposed to operating in the flow of the defense and
just operating your assignment and excelling at that assignment. Okay,

(14:03):
so that's a red flag. But he also as a
pass rusher, same thing, can knife inside and leave escape lines,
contain lines. This is coachable, this is fixable. But it
is just a thing that brings up. And I think
against the run, I don't think he'll ever be better
than an average defender against the run. I just don't.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I don't think agree that.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I think his mindset's not really like that. I think
he knows what he's going to get paid to do,
which is get after the quarterback, and I think he's
going to be really good at that. The player that
I've started comparison him to is Clay Matthews old Packers
outside linebacker. Clay Matthews was a linebacker slash edge kind
of Teams didn't really know what to do with him
as a prospect gets drafted in the twenties by the Packers,

(14:43):
they make him a full time pass rusher. He was
always a little indifferent against the run. He gets swallowed
up by bigger offensive tackles, but he played hard and
he could create some plays by knifeing inside. And he's
a really good pass rusher, and he could do the
spinner stuff off ball, which is I think what Carter
is going to be a weapon on, which is the
stuff where you line up over the enter in the guards.
But it's so that's why I just have that little

(15:03):
those little knocks on me. I do not throw out
the G word about really anybody, the generational term. But
the thing about Travis Hunter, who is I think definitively
the number one player on my big board, is that
really I even talked about on the receiver pot. I
view more as a corner first. I'm with that, but
I really do see the eight to twelve play package plays,

(15:23):
and not just when I say package plays, it's not
gadget stuff. It's more just, hey, these are the routes
that you know, and these are the plays that we're
gonna call when you're on the field. But it's he's
a mini Randy Moss like that's that's he's he's maxed
out the athleticism threshold for me or for when I
grade guys as far as how he plays, there's not

(15:45):
many guys you'll ever watch where I mean shoot, I
gave him the rare, which is the highest I I
can ever say anybody about anybody's skills. Rare ball skills,
rare body coordination, excellent athleticism, will overall quickness with the
ball in his hands. He is a walking, talking, explosive play.
He can legit take any screen to the house. And

(16:07):
it's not just a I'm gonna run faster than everybody.
It's yeah, he's very fast. It's he has vision, he
has pacing, he has agility. Like it's just a it's
exceptional wash. And I know I'm not breaking news to
anybody that Travis Hunter is really good at football, but
I think that's what I've come to. For a team
like the Giants or even the Browns, I know they're

(16:27):
picking above up. It's like, just go with the dude,
because Carter is like, this is a question. This is
a question, And I'm a guy that prefers trenches first.
I go quarterbacks of course top position. Then I go
pass rusher as my number two if we were talking
about premium positions, and then I go offensive line. That's
how I rank it. Then receiver than corner. So the
fact that I'm saying that receiver slash corner is the guy,

(16:49):
that's how special he is. And for a team that
maybe needs some vibes, I think Hunter can bring a
lot of good vibes to a team because that's just
the type of player he is. But he's so much
fun to watch, like he really is, And the only
blemish I have on him is some weight stuff. He's
weighed in at one eighty eight, and then my other
side of the coiner of that is that, okay, but

(17:09):
if he's not playing one hundred snaps a game, he
can probably easily gain five pounds and then we're all good.
So I am not gonna knock this guy that's a
rare athlete with rare ball skills just because he doesn't
he's three pounds lighter than I prefer. I am even
willing to make exceptions sometimes.

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Speaker 2 (17:53):
Two part follow up on Carter. One.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I talk to Bruce Feldman yesterday that's gonna air next
week with the people that are listening to this right
before your episode. Actually, and he had a former NFL
defensive line coach make the von Miller comparison with Abdua Carter,
which I thought was interesting. And the second part of
the question is how much of those issues with Carter
can get mitigated? And you mentioned this, it's only his
first year playing the edge, right, He's playing off ball linebacker,

(18:18):
setting the edge and stuff like that that you think
can get cured with more coaching up at that position.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
I absolutely can get coached up. And that's I'm a
little spoiled when my talking guys that I think should
or getting talked about is locked top five, top ten picks.
This actually brings back to the Jane Daniels discussion is
that if you're going top five, I've better not have
to squint, ever have to go like, well this needs
coach stup. You better be coming in and being like, Okay,
we just need a little tweak and we're good here.

(18:43):
So that's where I get a little harsh. And so
I don't want anyone that's obsessed with Carter and I
think he's a top five pick like I do. It's
just that that's why I want to harp on these
things because that's the difference between being, oh yeah, a
good starter and an All Pro. And that's what when
you're drafting a guy top five to be an All
Pro or a Pro Bowl or not just a good starter. So, uh,

(19:05):
who's the I'm trying to think the Giants defensive line
coach still.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Is uh the Patterson from God?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, Carter will get that. He'll get Patterson will fix
that up.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
He's a great coach, great coach.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
He's unbelievable. Yeah, no, I know, I know coach Patterson
very well.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
He coached I would imagine from from your time with
the Vikings, right yep.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, so he yes him. He was the d
line coach when my dad was the old line coach
way back in the day with the Viking.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, he he.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
He has told as many John Randall stories. Let me
tell you, there's been many John Randall's stories told.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's awesome.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
He asked him about Jerry Ball.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I've never asked about Jerry Ball basketball.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Jerry Ball. Jerry Ball is a player. Jerry Ball looks
like a player named Jerry Ball. That's that's all. I wait.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Was Jerry Ball was? Did he also play for the
Lions as a as a nose tackle that Jerry Ball?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Or is that a different believe So he bounced somewhere
else because he went Vikings somewhere else Vikings, yeah, line, No,
you're right, he started with the Lions with.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
The lines right. Yeah, you know, I remember that Tecmo
Super Bowl. I think he was.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Is eighty seven to ninety two, So yeah, that's yes.
Hey man, that's if you want to learn about a sport,
play the video game. Like all my soccer knowledge is
from playing video games.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
That was only like eleven, so lord knowes, I'm not
breaking down the tape, but that's for some reason.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Jerry bulls, I know, yeah, but uh no, But to
answer your question, like Giants is a good landing spot
for for Carter because of the coaching and Parrison's not
gonna and also there's other guys there. Carter is not
going to be half the dude if he came to
I mean New York or Cleveland like he did. There's

(20:46):
other weapons up front that that's gonna help him out.
I'm very even if they don't say Carter, I'm or Hunter.
I'm actually very bullish on the Giants defense this season.
I was bullshowing him last year. Then I realized, okay something,
so can we stop them on third and twelve once?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Well, the problem is that when you're play in like
four corners that are like twenty two years old, do
you tend to have problems?

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Mistakes happen. Mistakes happened, especially on third down, which are
very complicated coverages and very complicated offensive schemes.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
So especially in that defensive scheme where you know he's
trying to bullish on the disguise things move guys around
and movement.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well, I'm but I'll come back. I mean, they come
back to that. Take this offseason is I'm still bullish
on the Giants defense. You know, we'll figure out the offense,
but defense. I really think it'll come together, especially for
some of those free agent splashes.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, all right.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't want to spend too much time in the quarterbacks,
but as in as an ex quarterback, I feel like
I need to ask you about him, Cam Woard, I'm
gonna throw at him.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
He's got it, He's good gone.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
How do you see Shador Sanders as a former quarterback?
Is he closer to the Shuck Dart mill Row tier?
Is he closer to the Ward tier? When if you're
in a neutral situation, would you consider selecting him in
this draft?

Speaker 4 (21:56):
I consider him more what you just mentioned, the second
group mill Row even for me Riley Leonard, because I'm
the one guy that like the one guy man, the
one guy. Jeremy Fowler came out yesterday and said, Hey,
the league likes Riley Leonard more than the media and
public doing it was like, damn right, they do. I
have no idea if they do.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
But I am the league.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
I am the league. Yeah exactly. I am the one
that knocks no. But the the shuder has a lot
of red flags, and notly just the sack taking, which
I know of the offensive line, and man, poor Phil Loholt,
who was the offensive line coach there, who's now at
Mississippi State. I actually thought they had some good rules.

(22:38):
It was just, you know, sometimes the talent wasn't there.
I also thought the scheme was very wide open. It
was like a seven on seven passing attack. There's no
attached tight end. Everybody's spread out. They are not running
the ball. They were just throwing a bunch of screens.
I already mentioned that with Hunter it was good, but
that was their offense. Saying whenever a quarterback takes a
lot of sacks. This was a little blemish for Jane
Daniels last year. Wasn't little blumish. It was a big

(22:59):
bumish because he was such an outlier in that regard.
Is okay, if you take a lot of sex, why
all right?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Pocket movement? Is it the offensive line? Is it? Lack
of athleticism? And with Colorado and with sha Dr I
don't think. I think he's just an adequate athlete, build
long speed as he gets going. As a scrambler, he's
efficient scrambler. It's just that he's not twitchy. He's not
very quick. And okay, so you're not twitching, not very quick,
So I means you have to win from the pocket,
all right, How do you win from the pocket? All right?

(23:28):
First reads there, clean pocket, That ball is great, accurate,
he's got some zip on it, tight spiral, he can
cut through wind all that stuff. As soon as he
has to get off the first read. As soon as
the picture unfolds, how he wasn't expecting it. As soon
as he just feels a little shakiness in the pocket,
things came unraveled. Jane Daniels has some of the one

(23:49):
and done reads. That's where I was like, I just
want to see him progress on some stuff. Any huge
show it. Sometimes he's bound backwards in the pocket. But
it was like, you know, this guy's older, hopefully he
has more poul. Thing was Jane Daniels run a four
to three. Everybody he runs he can get the edge
and also on top of it. And this is something

(24:09):
that was what he played in college. Jane was very accurate,
especially short intermediate, and he had a quick, consistent throwing style.
So boom boom can get if he's know those reads,
boom that ball is getting out. Put it on the spot.
Watch how much what do you do with Terry McLaurin.
I was shudure and there's just so many times where
it was like they you just mentioned, it's more of
a college off and some of the passing schemes were

(24:30):
like day one, day two installed for the NFL, which
makes sense, patch tremmer if it's coordinator, and some of
those concepts, and this is what house being former quarterback,
is that known. Some of the concepts. There are half
field reads, so meaning if it's too high, you go
to the side, but it's single high, you go to
the side, and this is fine. There's a lot of quarters.
There's Dak Prescott still like these types of concepts like

(24:53):
that's which is a whole other conversation, but he there's
quarterbacks that like these The sprinkle me because they're nice
and easy for the QB, nice, easy to teach. My
issue started lying was, Okay, I have now watched six games.
You should hear I've seen this dang high low what
I call rap, which is the little hitch and whip
route with the dig behind it. YEPI always always, But

(25:16):
the thing was, there's never anticipation. There was never if
that wasn't open or something that got foggy. You have
no idea what was about to unfold. There was never
a check down. There was never him working to the
other side, which was the single high side. He was
just basically predetermining, I'm going to the dig side. And
again this is these are all sliding scale conundrums. So

(25:39):
it's if Shoulder was twenty years old, first second year starting,
I'm willing to wave that way a little bit, you know,
good athlete that doesn't win. That's way he's supposed to
be in a supreme processor. It has It's to me,
it's projection. It's not what he is showing when I
watch him on film.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Same for Jackson dor By the way, same deal.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yes, yes, same for Jackson dar I'm not saying all
to say I'm high on Jackson Dart either, the exact
same thing. That's the exact same thing with Jackson Dart,
even worse probably, but it was Shudur. It's just that. Okay.
So you have what i'll call average tools. What you're
not overwhelmingly big. You wait, two twelve under six to

(26:18):
two that's not big, perhaps, so I means you're two
h five during the season, I would guess you run
a four eight and change. Okay, that's I mean, Bake
Baker Mayfield ran a lot better than that, you know, okay,
and he's probably the baseline for like I'm able to
escape the pocket. He is the floor, okay, all right,
and then you need work progressing from the pocket, and

(26:40):
you need work with feel from the pocket. That's day two.
To me, that that's that's not first round. That's not
trading up for first round. That's definitely not top ten.
I see others have kind of come to this conclusion.
But it's just what we'll see on draft night. But
a draft weekend, I should say. But it's just one
of those there's a lot of blemishes, and I think
he's more of a project than he's being made out

(27:00):
to be as far as just work from the pocket
without having the tools to really make him exciting. So
I don't know. I have felt there's a great disconnect.
I know a lot of people are talking about personalitything,
and this is the line I want to always say,
is that it's the classic scout line. If Hannibal Elector
ran a four to three, scouts and coaches would just
say he had an eating disorder, Teams do not. I

(27:22):
mean how did Giants get Eli Manning? They he threw
fit and didn't want to go to the Chargers. They
do not care if you're good enough. So I think
what happened with the whole conversations about Shader is that
the evaluators, the gms, the head coaches, the directors and
player personnel, these guys quarterback coaches start getting eyeballs and
they just went that's it, as opposed to oh, this

(27:44):
meeting or that meeting, or that they could care less
like they could, but that's only going to go so far.
If you can play, you can play. So yeah, long
story short, I view Sanders as a D two guy
along with about four other guys I haven't about the
same tier, but I can serve all those guys the
same tier, all the guys you just mentioned, Milroe, Dart,
all that stuff. Actually, my little spoiler for my Big

(28:04):
Boards surprised myself as I put Milroe above Dart, because
I think it's the same argument. I don't love love
Milroe's film. He's got me sounded like Bill Pollyan sometimes,
but it's just that it's when I watched that and
then I watched Dart, it's the same argument. This this
guy needs time to learn to progress. He's once it's

(28:25):
one and done. Okay, they're off script and they have
to get into creation mode. I'll take the guy with
excellent tools as opposed to good tools. And now that's
really just that's the argument for me.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
I was higher on mil and then I saw him
throwing person at the Senior Bowl and it completely messed
me up.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I mean it was he was liberty dude.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
He looked like Chuck Knoblock with the yips from like
the nineteen ninety nine Yankee.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
He couldn't take his neither.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It was bad.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Didn't either Dart. I couldn't believe Dart and Sandy or
tartan Sanders. Dart and Milroe had a hype after the
Senior Bowl. Because I was watching that, I think they
can't take a snap, Like, what are we doing? I know, Yeah,
that was weird to me. Not Riley Leonard. I thought
he had a good way.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I have managed to push him back up again because
I'm imagining the athleticism. He could be a package player
early and then you know the arm and the quick release.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
But anyway, I couldpare him with Cordel Stewart. I said, yeah,
I think that's a good thep side of mill Roe
is Cordell Stewart, Cordel start round two, like.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Get these two and twenty pounds. That dude could be
a running back if you want him to. It's believable.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Vision is And this, this is the joke I said
about Bill Pon. You know, if people don't know Bill
Poone said Lamar Jackson's player receiver, which I was like,
hilarious in the in the moment and still funny now.
But Milroe legitimately has excellent running back vision as a
runner excellent and I and that's why I don't want
to say, like, oh, he has some move positions. I'm

(29:41):
just saying that's more how good of a runner he is.
And that raises his floor ex right, yes it does,
and it gives you, oh we gotta throw him out
there whatever we can get something out of this.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
So I spent my morning before I jumped on with you.
You're doing your big board.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I was trying to sort through round two and round
three edge rushers, Nate and there is a klomp of
guys right there. Am I wrong for liking Jack Sawyer
more than two? Omalu out of Ohio State no, I
have them.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
I've because they've been on my radar for now two
years because I thought they were going to come out
last year. Yeah, so did I I feel like I've
watched I felt like I apparaently have to watch them now.
Was great. I was like, yep, you're the same player
that I watched last year. Okay, cool, here's my ride
up done.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Soyers like you took Aiden Hutchinson but just shrunk them
down in like a little mini form. He's still good
with his hands. He just wins with his hands all
the time.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Sawyer is forty six on my board and Tumol is
forty seven. Oh, I can't help myself. And I didn't
realize I did that until I, well.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's great.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Like started stacking him and I'm like and then I
am like trying to find someone to put in between them.
I'm like, no, this is it. But I like Sawyer
just a little bit more. I know a lot of
people are saying, oh, they only want people only watched
the college football playoff. It's like, no, I've been watching
this freaking guy for several years now. I originally thought
of him when I first evaluated him last year. Was
I mean I was like, this guy's Baltimore Raven. Uh,

(31:01):
just very like he's a jack of all trades, you know.
Sorry forgive the pun. It's just that previously he was
an edge. He would do some linebacker stuff. He'd move
across the formation depending on what they wanted. And I
was like, and I thought he was so strong. I
thought he was active. I thought he fires off the ball.
I actually think he's a better athlete, and he gets
credit for the length of course is going to concern teams,

(31:25):
and so that's where his value gets dinged, and I
think it shows up, you know. But I thought his
hand usage and how strong his hands were was able
and how active he was is why he was able
to contribute. I'm not saying this guy is gonna be
a star or anything, but it's like if this guy's
part of your three part edge rope players, you know,
if your top three edges, I think he just contributes
a lot of good snaps. Like he just is a positive,

(31:46):
winning player, you know, even row I say he has
no singular standout trade, but his ability to line across
the front and he can be an interesting ske skeleton
t type player you get pass rush front Okay, put
him here. Hey, we want you to spy the quarterback.
You can do that a little bit, because I actually
think he can run him down. He's a good tackler.
I don't know these guys that just doute And sorry

(32:08):
for swearing, but I was just say just dot like,
I don't know. These guys are the ones that stick
in the league even if if they passed the athletic thresholds.
We're good. And so that's why I want Sawyer. But
then Tumola I like too. It's just that he's a
pocket pusher. I don't think he's ever gonna be a
true ace. But you mentioned Aidan Hutchinson. For Sawyer is
like a shrunk version. I would love like Tumol paired
with like an Aiden Hutchinson. Yeah, more Finessey, bendy pass rusher,

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and then you get the pocket pusher that.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Is long and powerful. He's long and power.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
He knows what he is. Everybody knows what he does.
Everybody knows his fastball's coming. Can you stop the fastball?
Can you hit the fastball? That that's what he is.
I like him. He's rugged decent athlete, but yeah, plays
a running pass equally well. Again, neither of these guys
are gonna be ten sack guys. But Tumol can be
a six to eight sack guy and play good against
the run as well. It's just it's a flavor thing

(32:56):
as well. But I like both of them. I really do.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
So. I showed up at the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I had not want the UCLA linebacker Ola dejo Femi,
and I was wowed by him at the Senior Ball.
I'm on the field watching those edge rushing snaps and
just his size and his strength, the ferocity he played
with no one could block him.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
He was really really good.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Then I went back and I watched the tape and
I'm like, this does not look like the same guy
that I watched at the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I didn't think the tape kind of matched.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
How do you sort through a guy that much like
got to do a quarter it's his first year there.
You could tell you he has no clue what he's
doing on these pass rush moves. Like his hand usage
is terrible, Like he doesn't know what he's doing with
the sands. I I think I saw two rip moves
and that was the extent of his hand uses a
swipe rip. How do you figure out a guy like
that who I think has the tools to be really good,
but clearly just has so much work left to do.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
These are your day two dart throws. That's a guy
that goes in the second round because the team goes, well,
really he's a third rounder, but he's not gonna be
there when we're picking the third round, so it's take
him the second round. That's how these things happen. It's truly,
it's that's why I think there's a couple of guys
that would go in the end of the first that
I could see that happening, like like a Mason Taylor
or at tight end where it's just like, oh, he's
not gonna be there for the second, so let's take

(34:04):
him twenty ninth.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
You know, he's also very safe, and in a draft
where there's so like Pete guys are all over the place, Yep,
Taylor's a I don't think he's ever go far, but
he is a safe, safe player.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Safe as value, and again, safe sometimes always means bad athlete.
You know, that's always code for that. Uh you know,
you know Taylor is safe and he's a great athlete.
It's just that he's he's well rounded. Yeah, a balanced player,
but no, but I just think any day to or
any player like that where it's like, Okay, this guy,
this guy tries, you know, he's got athletics. Somebody has
no idea what he's doing. Really, that's where character kind

(34:37):
of comes in to play and interviews. Is he a
hard worker? Is he? Why? Is he kind of raw?
Is it? Oh? And then you look at like does
he have bad coaching? I'm not speaking, I don't know.
You see always assistant coaches, you know, but those things too,
it's like, oh, did he come to a position late?
Like you said, So when a guy has those flashes
and has traits that in the weirdest way, that's where

(34:57):
the intangibles come in more than maybe a guy steady
Eddy is because that you go, is it just because
he doesn't work hard? Has he not been working out like?
You know? Does he love football? You know? Not saying
any of these things, but those are the questions come
in because then then that's where the projection comes in.
This is the the high high upside of this is
Daniel Hunter, which is this guy's a freak and he

(35:20):
works his butt off. He has no idea what he's
doing and then he turned into an easy TENSAC guy
defensive Player of the Year candidate last year. But essentially
or you know, top five, you know, because he just
kept working and he was so young. So that's like,
that's kind of what again, You're gauging the whole player
profile and all these positions too, like Tyler Taylor, Tyler Shock.
The tape is a chunk of the resume. You know,

(35:42):
the player profile that's seventy percent, but some guys it's
ninety five percent because it's so good or so bad,
YadA YadA. But then you start filling in the rest
of the profile to you know, medicals, character all that,
to fill it all out, and then that's how you
kind of gauge them. But it's it's a sweet science,
it really is.

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Speaker 3 (36:15):
We're in the Hagazak and Meridy in Hell the podcast studio
Keep getting Better Nate Tye joining us from Yahoo Sports
Football three oh one podcast. You've to talk about the big
men on the offensive line. Nate Giants pick a thirty four,
I think they could use a guard. I also think
he'd use a guy with some tackle flex because I
think Andrew Thomas hasn't hurt so much. If you have
to move a lumin order left tackle, you want someone
that can step in a right tackle.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Anybody in that thirty four spot.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
I do think you get a drop off pretty quick
at the tackle position in this draft.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Guards, I think go a little bit deeper.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Who do you think could that you like that could
be there at thirty four that could help the Giants
offensive one if.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
You if we got this maybe before combined, it would
been Gray Gray as a Bell from North Dakota State,
but I know he doesn't really have tackle flex. He
may be in a pinch, but he's a guard center type.
But I think he's going to be hot. Donovan Jackson
from Ohio State would be the guy. I'm super high

(37:10):
on him. He's in my top thirty. I think he's
a guard. But the fact that his tackle tape when
he had a bump out there because of Josh Simmons
was actually solid, especially as he kind of developed. But
I think he's a dynamite guard. I have him over
Tyler Booker, who I know some people are high on
like because I just think Booker's very scheme dependent. Yes,
power player, Yeah, power player. Some offenses are going to

(37:32):
love him some or never even talk to him. But
you know, you, guy like Jackson makes a lot of sense.
He's got power, he's got athletic ability, He's got plenty
of experience as well. Played in a good winning program
as well. I've heard good things about him as as
a character. He's long, you know that that matters too.
So yeah, okay, yeah, he can play tackle on a pinch,
but he's got thirty two in charms that what no

(37:54):
actually has length that you can maybe do it in
the pinch. So Jackson is a guy that that would
make total sense. I think that's his rain suwmer twenty
six to thirty five thirty six, so like, that's kind
of his range, and I think that'd be a great
fit for them. Calvin Banks if he falls that far,
but I don't think he will, would be it would
be another one. And then if you're throwing a guy
I'm super high on, uh, it would be Marcus Mabou
from Purdue.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Uh. He can move. I have a good athlete.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yep, he's a guard. I don't think he can play
tackle at all, but I think he's a really good athlete.
He's got cool hand usage. Not gonna be for everybody,
but actually more people like him than maybe I thought.
I thought I have him at thirty three on my board,
but I'm definitely the high guy. I think he's in
the sixties on the consensus.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Similar question defensive tackle around that same spot, Giants want
to try to put someone next to Dexter Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
You can kind of do anything they've been trying to do,
like some beef, haven't they like? They because he.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Because they've done They had A'shawn Robinson there two years
that actually worked well stop in the run.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Yeah, because to me, dex and Warrents just such a
unique player. That's like, you know, he's a nose. He's
big and burly, but he's like a gap shooter early down.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
You want to put him in the three technique, You're
fine like that, You're fine.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
That's and so that's where I was kind of again,
is that maybe the defensive tackle you want with him
is kind of like a burly guy, like a brawler
like that. That is really TYLERK Williams, another Hiow State guy.
That's one that's the exact range or early second is
where I think he goes. He's probably not going to
give you a lot of pass rush juice yep. But
he's a good athlete. Actually he moves well. But that

(39:33):
guy is gonna eat up blocks.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
He reminds me of Dalvin Tomlinson, a former Giant.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yes, yes, that is a great comparison for him, but
you know, he's a good athlete where it's like he's
not a non factor against the rust, but you're not
asking him to get six acts. He'll throw in a couple,
But that's a guy Walter Nolan might be gone before then.
He's a super super athletic player, very inconsistent, not exactly
my type of flavor. I have him in the in

(40:00):
my thirties on my big board, but he honestly could
go in the teens. Just he his teams are all
over the place with him, so that that'd be another
one too that but he'd be he'd be a different
type of flavor, a little more dynamic. I would love
to put him with Patterson actually because that'd be actually
be a coach that can maybe get the most out
of him. So Nolan would be another one out there,
out there.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I jumped off the edge already.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
I should ask you, do you have a favorite edge
in that kind of second group once you get past
the Abdul Carter, Mike or maybe you know Michael Williams that.
I don't know what you think about these guys, who
are your favorite edge of guys?

Speaker 4 (40:32):
I do at Michael Willings pretty high. I end up
giving Mike Green. So it was, you know, Abdill Carter's
edge one and then Mike Gream's edge two just because
the sack up side. He's the eleventh on my big board. Actually, yeah,
just guys, don't it's hard to find guys like a
bend like that. You mentioned the Von Milverer thing. He's
kind of a diet Coke von Miller to me, you know,

(40:53):
some concerns about the size, but plays really hard, tries
against the run. He's gonna have a you was getting
overwhelmed against the run, like it's it's different than Carter
Carter sometimes it's like he's indifferent. Green's gonna try. It's
just that physically he can't do it. He did his
tiny hands and shorter arms.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
So he really dropped his shoulder against some guys in
the run game on that tape. Man like he he
tries to set tries, he tries.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Yes, and he's short yardage. He's trying to knife in
there and make some big plays like he this type
of skill set. It's just like this, these are the
guys that get sacks. Like that's why it looks so
different than the other guys you're watching, and so I'm
bet on that upside. I like him in the team somewhere.
There's some character stuff, but like the teams I talk
to are like kind of shrugged at it, like so
I'm you know, I don't want to talk anything about it.

(41:38):
But it's just like that's that's also has to be
part of his package, you know, part of his player profile.
But right behind him at twelve is mikel Williams from Georgia.
I think he's gonna be an a maybe even a
plus run defender, and I think, no matter what, that's
his floor. I also like he battled injuries this year
and understand like wasn't the most overwhelming tester as far

(41:59):
as forties, but I think he's explosive and in a
phone booth in a five yard area, he can burst
to the ball and make plays. I also think the
thing with Michel these two, I keep going back and
forth on who I like better, but because they're just
different types of edges. The thing with mikel is he
just doesn't have any bad plays. Like you might not
have the most exceptional play sometimes, but there's there's not

(42:22):
bad out there. Like his worst is okay, Like, okay,
he didn't make the play, but he didn't get moved
off the point. He didn't get the sack, but guess what,
he pushed the tackle back a couple of yards. You know,
it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't the greatest play you've
ever seen. To me that he's twenty years old, freak,
I think a very good athlete. I know the speed
wasn't there, but I think he's gonna jump really well
once he does the jumps. I don't know that and

(42:44):
plays hard. Everyone loves him long. That's the guy.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
I just think his floor is high for a twenty
year old that has ability to maybe get more as
a pass rusher, that's a profile I'll bet on. Like
that for the weirdest way. He feels safe to me
in the weirdest way, even though I know there's so
much there's some projection with him because I just watched him.
I'm like, this guy is not a bad Like, there's

(43:08):
no bad on here on top of having a lot
of good out there. And I already can see a
path to being a good starter, which is that he's
gonna be dynamite against the run. So if you're an
A against the run and you start as a C
against the past, but we even get that to be minus,
oh yeah, we're cooking like that's a very good player.
So I'm really high on mikel If you can't.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Tell everyone I have on I have to ask about
the running backs because there's so many good ones and
so many different flavors. Everyone has a different one that's
their favorite. Doesn't have to be the guy number one
on you board. Just give me the guy that Nate
Tice loves to watch at the running back position in
this class.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Oh yeah, and this is I'm definitely high on him.
Devin Neil in Kansas. I'm a sucker for arm I
think I'm keeping him in my top fifty. I'm I'm
the only one probably in the world that has it.
I have him the same greatest. So in this again,
this type fit in this running back class is more
than any any other position. There's a lot of good ones.
I think I have ten or eleven with third round

(44:04):
grades are better, which to me is a you're either
a starter, full blown, you know, taking the majority shares
of a room, or you are a fifty to fifty guy.
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Okay, right now I have eleven, and I think I
have a couple more guys that still need to watch.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
I would say there's like two or three more that
I'm like a half step like I could easily see
going that people are higher on than me, you know,
like RJ. Harvey is probably a guy I'm lower on
than other people. I just don't see it with him.
But it's but talking about good Devin Neil actually reminds
me of a more juiced up Devin Singletary and also

(44:39):
a you know, a fint sized version. He's not that small,
he's like five nine two twelve, but a smaller version
of David Montgomery, like but that archetype of player, shifty,
really good vision. I think, doesn't have long speed, he
tested like that, but I'm not concerned by it because again,
I use this term a lot with other positions. But
he's a double sater me and another guy that just

(45:02):
doesn't have any bad on his tape. He's a good
pass protector, he's got good hands, doesn't have a lot
of negative runs. He's always getting the most efficient runs
and can get a little more. He can make one
guy miss consistently. I don't know. I thought Neil was
one of the easiest evals, and I feel like I'm
the I feel like John Travolta meme and pulp fiction
where I'm looking around the room going like what am I?

(45:23):
I get that he's not the fastest guy, but like,
this is a good running back with production. He's supposed
to be a great kid too, So I have him
and Travon Henderson right next to each other. But the
thing is, I love Henderson. It's just that I think
his role in the NFL is not a true starter.
It's a you know, he's gonna have to split it,
just like he did in college. I think everyone's in
agreement with this, But this is where how I just

(45:45):
value you guys. If I think he is going to
be an excellent pass protector and he's gonna be able
to take the ball to the house. That is value.
Don't like him running between the tackles. I think his
vision he tries to bounce things a little too much.
But I just really like him. But I just want
to use that as a way that I Neil head
of Henderson. I think Henderson's more talented, but the role
in the league is Neil is going to be, to

(46:06):
me an innings eater, a guy that can get fifteen
touches the game. Well, Henderson I think is more of
a sprinkle in fifty to fifty guy. But yeah, Neil.
And then the other one would be Damian Martinez running
back from Miami, no nonsense. I think he has good vision, tempoing.
I think he's a monster on gap runs because of
his tempoing and his vision. Not a magnet for contact.

(46:28):
But he's a bruiser like some bruisers like Javonte Williams.
It's like, oh, he breaks a lot of tackles. He's like, yeah,
he runs towards a lot of tackles too. Damian Martinez
actually has vision to kind of stay away from stuff,
which I really like and just gonna make a guy
missed with shiftiness or he can run him over and
he always just falls forward. So yeah, Damian Martinez is
another guy. He's I think I had him in my

(46:48):
top sixty. I don't know. He's another guy. I just
been like, I think this is an easy eval like
what am I missing here? But yeah, so Martinez, Martinez
and Neil are kind of my guys of this running
back class.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
All right, final question. We got two minutes. You can
go this any direction you want. Who's Nate Tice's like
favorite guy to watch in this class? Any position, guy
that you just love and you think you like more
than everybody else.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
I mean more than anybody else. I was gonna say
Ash and Genty.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
But.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I think that's pretty universal.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Okay, Yeah, I know, all right. Johat Campbell's another one
of those. But if I'm gonna have spice it up,
it has to be an offensive lineman. And that's Josh Connolly,
junior tackle from Oregon.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
And the first time great on him.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
I like him too, he is I give him a
nice healthy bump. I've had him in a top thirty throughout
this whole certain mid season before the season, I had
in my top fifty, like in the thirty late thirties forties,
because I was like, Okay, there's some talent here. He's
got a lot to clean up YadA YadA than I
did to my updated Big Boy of Halloween. He made
my top thirty and I want to say that was

(47:53):
where my first play of that flag. Guy just rapidly
improved this year and moves like a shit left tackle
in the NFL. Developed his play strength throughout the season,
which was my big concern. Still a little bit of
a concern, but that was my maybe's a big blemish.
But he's young. He's a true junior big recruit, former
running back, which he got great, great feet, his foot

(48:15):
I know, and the guy he moves like. But I
think this guy's better. And I've said this multiple times.
He moves like Marshall new House, but he is a
better version of that. Because Marshall just always had typewriter
feet like it got him in trouble because he wantn't
get a lot, he want to get a lot of
weight behind it. Connolly gets some weight behind it and
his technique it really improved like throughout this year, and

(48:36):
that's made me very bullsh on him. I have him
as a top twenty player. I have him at eighteen.
I think, yeah, eighteen on my board, and the thing
was I was gonna be the high guy and him.
Then I did my offensive line preview show and I
had my dad on, former mind coach Mike Tice, and
it's his old Iman one and he just takes all
the freaking all my hot take all. My big moment

(48:59):
I was to have this guy's way up there highering anybody,
and he goes, no, he's my number one guy, period,
and like I was. It made me feel a little
better that he because we had no discussions beforehand. I
gave him some film to watch and I was like,
just tell me what you think. We'll do a show.
And I was really excited to hear that because I
was all right, good, good. And then after we did
that show, a couple of teams reached out and said
told me to shut up about Connorly. They just said, hey, hey,

(49:21):
keep it down, keep you down and picking in the twenties.
That's the hint I'll say. So, I'm very high in
carnowily kind of one of my guys. I have him
as offensive lineman three overall behind men Bowen Campbell. But
I think if he ends up being the best tackle
of this group, I would not be shocked because I
think this is a true, true, true starting left tackle
in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
So, Nate, you mentioned your big board is dropping soon.
We've talked about the three oh one podcast. Anything else
fans you keep their eyes on that you have coming out?

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Big board? Yeah, football three oh one we got and
we're doing a draft show Yahoo is you know during
the draft. Yeah, so we'll be doing that from LA,
not from Green Bay, doing it from LA. But it's yeah,
looking forard to that. But yeah, big boy coming up.
I got a bunch of profiles and quarterbacks and some
other guys. I did tight ends Culson lovel One and
Tyler Warren last week kind of liking love one more,
which shocked me. But no, just check it out Yahoo

(50:11):
all Yaho.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah. And by the way, I think I'm being swayed
on love one too.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Surprisingly better blocker than Warren, which I don't think a
lot of people like to talk about.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Yes, yes, I know, I think there's some uh some
narrative scouting that happened, and I.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Should be the better blocker. He's just not what you watch.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
It's just not I know that was one. I'm shocked
at myself because I was like, I am glad I
did this this article because I watched him about I
had the way two games on him during the season.
That's why I usually do during the season, and then
the off season goes position by position, got to the
tight ends. I'm like, all right, might as well just
let's write an article about this because I'm actually interested.
I watched love one. I'm like this, he has more

(50:49):
potential as a why than Warren does. And everyone's saying
Warren's like a little mini Gronk and he's more like
Dallas Clark. I really like Warren, don't be wrong. Top
twenty player for me, easy.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I think mini armed Gronk maybe yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
And people are like, you didn't say this before the combine.
It's like it shows up on tape. That's why I'm
saying it, just because in the Penn Sake, coaches they
knew they would hide him. They would put him on
zone runs and away from the point of attack, and
some of that's to keep him fresh for receiving, but
some of that is just because why would they have
the younger tight end do the harder blocks as opposed
to the guy that's supposed to be a mini gronk

(51:23):
makes me sound like I don't like Warren again really
like him. I just think loved One is a dynamic receiver,
is younger and has potential to block in line. And
I think that his film blocking in line was way
better than it's beginning made out to be, Like he
looked like a Why Having said that, I really like
theo Johnson for the Giants, so I'm bullish on him.

(51:46):
And even last year when I was high and everyone goes, well,
Warren is supposed to be the better one, I'm like.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
This is eighty four.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
This guy can roll a little bit. This guy's bigger
garrun And then he blew up the combine right or
his pro day and everyone's like oh wow wow. It's
like yeah, yeah, that's what he looks like.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
So they always a pleasure man. This was fun. Good
luck with the rest of the process and we'll talk
again soon.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
All right, thanks again, John.

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