April 23, 2025 • 15 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk sits down with 2x-Super Bowl Champion, Phil Simms, to discuss the top quarterbacks in the draft, coaching up young players, and his favorite skills and traits for a quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought
to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants
were Squeeze one more In. Before the twenty twenty five
NFL Draft, we dragged Phil Simms out of the Giants
Power Breakfast and he's coming over here to talk about
some of the quarterbacks in the draft of us.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Feel good to see you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Man, How good good to see you. We've had a
nice conversation before we came on the air, so uh,
don't don't mess it up.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, I won't.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We were talking a lot of detail of quarterback mechanics,
which I'm sure people will love that, but we're gonna
do a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Surface level stuff here. Yeah, we won't talk about the
quarterbacks with you.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
First thing, I'll ask you in your mind, speaking generically,
are any of the quarterbacks in this class to you
worth the third overall pick in most NFL drafts?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
No? No, I think that there are a few people
that are hanging on to that with their dear life,
because is this what we did back in January or whatever?
So I just want to say to them, let it go.
You know, I watched a lot, know a lot of quarterbacks,
studied him for many years, study the guys when I
was playing, and you know, overall, no, I don't even
(01:12):
have to think about it. There's not one that's the
third pick of the draft.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
All right, we're gonna ignore cam Ward because all the
tea leaves seem to be indicating he's gonady off the board.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You want to talk about him, Yeah, just a little. Sure,
he's the first. Here's what I say. The Tennessee Titans
get a new general manager, he talks about the team
and done. He does say anything about the quarterback because
they had Will Levis and you know whatever. Then he
studies it. Then he starts studying cam Woard and he goes, damn,
I don't think we were thinking about a quarterback. But
(01:40):
he's really good. And I'll say this about cam Ward.
I think he's terrific, really deserves to be the first
pick of the draft, and I think he has a
chance to be absolutely outstanding, great thrower of the football, passer,
big strong, can break tackles when he runs, more mobile
than people think. And the great thing too, is he
(02:02):
doesn't need a lot of space to throw rockets. I mean,
if guys are this close to him, he'll just turn
and rip it. And I once I studied him, I went, Damn,
he's a lot better than I thought. And here's the
other thing. He can play it any way you want.
You want to have a shootout, he's a gunslinger. If
he's got to manage the game as the quarterback and
keep it tight and not make mistakes and all that,
(02:24):
he does that too. So that that's what really endeared
me to him as I as I studied him.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So that would be the one guy that you would
consider then at the top of the draft.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So yeah, I can say if I had, if I
had the first pick of the draft, he would definitely
be the one I would take.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, let's go to the next group of guys.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Now, I'm just gonna throw names, and you can go
Sanders Shador.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, there's a lot of qualities about him. I
guess the first off, I'm gonna pick up for him.
People say this, well he's not that big, Well, damn,
how big do we want him?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
To be.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
When I see him on the field, he looks damn
big to me. He's got big legs, big old rear
d he's tall, he's got long he's this thick. He's
got long arms, big hands and that. And he said, yeah, Well,
his mobilities, I think he moves in the pocket. You
and I were talking about this before. I think he's
really really good with his feet popping around the pocket.
(03:09):
And that's why I like to say it pop pop,
it's you know, move, It's not so he does that escapes. Well,
the throwing is good, it's not great. It's got a
really high delivery, really high highest, one of the highest
I've ever seen analyzing quarterbacks. And I'll ask you a question. Yeah,
who in the NFL has a really really high release.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, I've always go back to Djuw Brees, not in
the league anymore, but that's the guy I always go to.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, it's just very few. Most guys have a different
way of throwing. I'm not gonna get into that, but
Shadura has a lot of good qualities. Took too many
sacks outside the pocket. So when you're outside the pocket,
what's that mean? You scrambled? You're out there, you're looking
for somebody open. If they're not open, throw it away.
And you know, so there's a there's a few misleading
things about him, but I do like the person, the
(03:58):
energy that comes out of him. You know, there's many
ways to play quarterback. High energy, tough guy, quiet guy,
whatever his is high energy and that's pretty good for
a football team.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
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Speaker 1 (04:20):
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that happen?
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Speaker 2 (04:34):
So this will apply to Shador And I think one
of the guys we're going to talk about in Jackson Dart.
When you're looking at college quarterbacks, phil and they play
in a largely what I would call a college system,
like an Art Briles type.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh, you're getting right in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I think even though Pat Shrummer was O see
that Colorado offense is not an NFL West Coast offense,
But Jackson Dart at all missed that.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Was not an NFL time. I was. I'm very very
you evaluate.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
That very surprised. I'm just judging the guy. I'm not
judging the system and the coach. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
But those you have to figure out how they're reading
it out, how they're thinking about things like that.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Are they doing what they've been taught? So that's how
I look at it. Shadur, Yes, it was a really
interesting offense. Okay, if you have a bad offensive line,
why are we always in spread?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Get outside?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And you know, of course the number seventy four percent completion,
that's really good, but you know, a tremendous, tremendous high.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Number of screens screen.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And you know, so it's a little a little bit
false when you look at some of those numbers. But
I don't care. How's he reading the play? Is he
finding the right guy? He does an okay job in
that not great. In other words, he doesn't stay with
the pattern of the play as much as I would
like to see him do as a quarterback. Now, Jackson
(05:47):
Dart I hear this, Oh, it's not a pro offense. It'sist. Man.
I love their offense and I love it for a
quarterback getting ready to go into pro football. It has
all the things. They have, tons of plays where a
lot is on the quarterback one, two and three whatever.
If it's open, we run. And I thought it was
I wrote in my notes many times. Man, it's a
(06:09):
great offense for a college kid. Okay, I didn't see
when the way you freeze it sometimes or people do it,
sounds like it's a big gimmick. It's not a gimmick.
It has tons of NFL plays in it. Tons, And
I would say, you know, just looking at Jackson Dart,
I've said this this week a lot. You know, he's
(06:30):
smooth thrower, has a really good arm. Is it top
flight NFL?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
No, But it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Doesn't have to be. We've seen many guys do it
without tremendously strong arms. But he's a good decision maker.
His mobility is an issue that it will be a
problem because he knows how to escape the pocket and
get a few yards and protect himself.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
A problem for defenses, not fir. Yeah, a problem for defenses.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
And you know, like I said, the motion, the positions
he gets it he gets in to throw the football
are all good. So you know, it's hard not to
say that you like Jackson Darnal lot.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
How quickly do you think he could get on the
field or is it going to take some some training.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't think it'll take long. You know, he's got
great experience, he's got the body type. All that is
throwing is they're gonna find out right away. He's naturally
accurate with the football, you know. So I always say
this and take you it's some people are put on
earth to throw, okay, and he's he's one of those.
So that's what I say.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Let's go to Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
He comes from that Brom offense at Louisville, which I
think has a lot of NFL concepts under center, all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's what it is, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It truly is. Jeff Brom played in the NFL a
little bit and he likes it. He likes that type
of offense. Why it's it's he needs the quarterback to
play well, but it toughens up. They run the ball
enough and believe in handing it off or whatever to
make their team tough. But Tyler shuck. I watched him
at Texas Tech some and went back and looked at that.
(07:55):
They had tons of quarterback runs when he was playing there,
and he was really dynamic and a little too tough.
But and his throwing man he was he would let
it go. Now the guy I saw a Louisville a
little more careful running, still got mobility to really be
a help help him in the NFL. And the throwing
(08:18):
was good. But I didn't see him just rare back
and throw it like I did at Texas Tech. But
a lot of people like him, they should. Lewis Riddick
did games at Louisville for the ACC Network, and he
loves him. He loves him, of course. See that's what
he has. He saw him in a game, he sees
him in person. He probably watched practice. So that's information
that you just can't get sometimes from just watching film.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
All right, let's go to Jaylen Milroe, who I think,
just based on his throwing, is gonna be a little
bit of a project.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
They get him ready to go, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
But what do you see from him and do you
think he can get to where he needs to be
to be a guy that could be a pocket passion
in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Man, that's a long road to travel, it is. That's
a long one. So you know, I'm not gonna say
yes or no, but it's gonna be tough. And if
it's tough like it was in college for him, See
when you look, if I could run like Jalen Milroe.
I'm not gonna get to the third read of a play.
By god, I'm gone. I'm gonna look at one, maybe two,
(09:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
One.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
He's covered.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm gone. And by the way, that's not a bad
play for him. Is he so fast? No, he is.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
He's strong, fast, big, He's got all that going for him.
And that's great. But that's it's gonna be. Hey, it
was rough in the SEC at times. It's hard to
live and it's really hard, and sooner or later and
everybody goes, oh, well, maybe he can turn into Lamar Jackson.
Lamar Jackson came into the league. He could really throw
(09:40):
the ball. He had great power touch. And when I
studied him before he came out, I was like, oh
my gosh, he's so much faster and quicker. And I'm
from Louisville. I followed Louisville. Bobby Patrino was his coach,
and I couldn't get over it. I was I thought
he was gonna be the first or second pick of
(10:01):
the draft that year.
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Speaker 2 (10:17):
All right, final question on the quarterbacks, and then I
know you got to get out of here.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I'm fine, don't brush me.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No, you get to where you gotta go out time
you all right? All right?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
When you look at a quarterback film, what are maybe
one or two of the things where you watch them
play in college and they maybe do something a certain
way that raises a red flag for you that you
get concerned as to whether or not that can be
corrected with coaching, or is that something that's instinctual and
kind of what they are from a you know, deep
(10:47):
inside of them that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Hard to correct from a coaching perspective.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
In the NFL, that's tough. I would just say this,
and I say this every year, and I say it
many times. When you're looking at quarterbacks, you're looking up
no matter what round you think they're gonna go in.
Are there two physical traits that you can really count on?
And one of those traits is he big? Is he
really fast? Does he have a really strong arm?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Is he just dead eye?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Accurate throw in the football? All those things? And I
always kind of phrase it this way. The quarterback with
teams in the NFL now and the kids coming in,
when it's a routine throw, you just can't miss it.
You can't. I mean, you got to hit all the
routine throws. There's fifteen to twenty of them a game, screens,
(11:30):
short passes, guys moving whatever, a little, whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You got to do that.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
And if you can't make consistently Jalen Milrow would fit
in this category. Make consistently make the routine throws, and
it's going to be hard to have great success in
the NFL. And what we need is the quarterback that
makes those routine throws and then can he give me
three or four special ones, which usually means to me
(11:57):
a power throw down the field, somewhere in between defenders
where you go, I know I can get it in
there because I've done it a lot of times and
you get it done in the game, so you know,
that's that's that's kind of how I start judging. And
it comes in so many forms the quarterbacks now that
you've got to be careful how you do it. But
(12:17):
hard to come into the NFL and and to go
from one from a running, mostly physical quarterback to become
a pocket passer. That is a really really tough transition.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
All right. Other side of that question, what's something that
you think can get cleaned up or improved or get
better with good coaching as.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You Yeah, yeah, if the coaches really know what they're
doing and how to do it. I think the first thing,
it's like golf. We see a golfer. You know he's
really good, but it's not coming together. And the reason
why is your swing is a little out of whack.
It's it's not it's not pro tour ready. And that's
the same with throwing. Do you have the motion that's
(12:57):
going to give you a chance to be really consistent
and as a quarterback when you go on that field,
no matter who you are, and these kids coming up,
they're gonna find out. Damn the third quarterback, he can
really throw it. Come to the Giants, Okay, we got
the two, we know they designed. What's Tommy DeVito throw
You'll throw it. Tommy DeVito can throw it. And if
they bring a quarterback in, that's one of the first
(13:17):
things you're gonna say, who the hell is he?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Because he can Tommy DeVito. Of course he's a jersey
guide all that, but he is an excellent thrower of
the football. There's other things you got to tie up,
but you can help quarterbacks become more accurate if you
teach them a few things that are really standard to
all great throwers in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
All right, final question, Based on what you know about
Brian Dable, what he likes in the quarterback position, based
on how his offense works, and what you've seen from
the Giants offense, which one of these guys do you non,
including Camward, do you think would be a good fit
for how the Giants use their quarterbacks in their offense.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Well, listen, draft the guy. Whatever, You're gonna have to
make adjustments and what you do and what you call
and what you design a little bit for every single quarterback.
So I would say, for all the guys that we're
talking about, not a big adjustment. He's gonna be able to.
Besides Daln Milrow, the rest of them are gonna be
in the thing. They're gonna be pocket passers, and you
(14:16):
hope for some mobility, but you want the guy that
has extreme accuracy throw in the football. And I think
all three, the three ones that we all put into
the group are what Shador, Jackson, Dart and Tyler. Tyler
shuck those three and I think they all kind of
have it. And I'm not gonna get too detailed about it,
(14:37):
but one is a little more mobile than the other ones.
One is this, and this one throws the ball with
a little more pace on it or whatever. So they
all kind of have it. I think they all will
fit the New York Giants, depend on how it goes.
I would expect, you know, I hate to do all
these I would expect one of those three to be
with the Giants here tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So I like to hear Sel say tomorrow night. So
you're thinking, may be a trade up for one of
those guys, not that you know anything.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Just well, if I had to guess. I'm just guessing.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I'm frust me.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
The Giants are going to have to move up in
the first round to get the guy that they want.
I agree with you, I don't think there's any way
around that. And you know, people lay in the woods
to draft a quarterback that have been quiet all off season,
and we know all the teams that need one, and
so the Giants are gonna if I'm just saying this, uh,
they'll probably have to be a little more aggressive in
(15:30):
their trade up than probably first anticipated to be.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought
to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants
were Squeeze one more In. Before the twenty twenty five
NFL Draft, we dragged Phil Simms out of the Giants
Power Breakfast and he's coming over here to talk about
some of the quarterbacks in the draft of us.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Feel good to see you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Man, How good good to see you. We've had a
nice conversation before we came on the air, so uh,
don't don't mess it up.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, I won't.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We were talking a lot of detail of quarterback mechanics,
which I'm sure people will love that, but we're gonna
do a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Surface level stuff here. Yeah, we won't talk about the
quarterbacks with you.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
First thing, I'll ask you in your mind, speaking generically,
are any of the quarterbacks in this class to you
worth the third overall pick in most NFL drafts?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
No? No, I think that there are a few people
that are hanging on to that with their dear life,
because is this what we did back in January or whatever?
So I just want to say to them, let it go.
You know, I watched a lot, know a lot of quarterbacks,
studied him for many years, study the guys when I
was playing, and you know, overall, no, I don't even
(01:12):
have to think about it. There's not one that's the
third pick of the draft.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
All right, we're gonna ignore cam Ward because all the
tea leaves seem to be indicating he's gonady off the board.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You want to talk about him, Yeah, just a little. Sure,
he's the first. Here's what I say. The Tennessee Titans
get a new general manager, he talks about the team
and done. He does say anything about the quarterback because
they had Will Levis and you know whatever. Then he
studies it. Then he starts studying cam Woard and he goes, damn,
I don't think we were thinking about a quarterback. But
(01:40):
he's really good. And I'll say this about cam Ward.
I think he's terrific, really deserves to be the first
pick of the draft, and I think he has a
chance to be absolutely outstanding, great thrower of the football, passer,
big strong, can break tackles when he runs, more mobile
than people think. And the great thing too, is he
(02:02):
doesn't need a lot of space to throw rockets. I mean,
if guys are this close to him, he'll just turn
and rip it. And I once I studied him, I went, Damn,
he's a lot better than I thought. And here's the
other thing. He can play it any way you want.
You want to have a shootout, he's a gunslinger. If
he's got to manage the game as the quarterback and
keep it tight and not make mistakes and all that,
(02:24):
he does that too. So that that's what really endeared
me to him as I as I studied him.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So that would be the one guy that you would
consider then at the top of the draft.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So yeah, I can say if I had, if I
had the first pick of the draft, he would definitely
be the one I would take.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, let's go to the next group of guys.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Now, I'm just gonna throw names, and you can go
Sanders Shador.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, there's a lot of qualities about him. I
guess the first off, I'm gonna pick up for him.
People say this, well he's not that big, Well, damn,
how big do we want him?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
To be.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
When I see him on the field, he looks damn
big to me. He's got big legs, big old rear
d he's tall, he's got long he's this thick. He's
got long arms, big hands and that. And he said, yeah, Well,
his mobilities, I think he moves in the pocket. You
and I were talking about this before. I think he's
really really good with his feet popping around the pocket.
(03:09):
And that's why I like to say it pop pop,
it's you know, move, It's not so he does that escapes. Well,
the throwing is good, it's not great. It's got a
really high delivery, really high highest, one of the highest
I've ever seen analyzing quarterbacks. And I'll ask you a question. Yeah,
who in the NFL has a really really high release.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, I've always go back to Djuw Brees, not in
the league anymore, but that's the guy I always go to.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, it's just very few. Most guys have a different
way of throwing. I'm not gonna get into that, but
Shadura has a lot of good qualities. Took too many
sacks outside the pocket. So when you're outside the pocket,
what's that mean? You scrambled? You're out there, you're looking
for somebody open. If they're not open, throw it away.
And you know, so there's a there's a few misleading
things about him, but I do like the person, the
(03:58):
energy that comes out of him. You know, there's many
ways to play quarterback. High energy, tough guy, quiet guy,
whatever his is high energy and that's pretty good for
a football team.
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Speaker 1 (04:20):
Get in here.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the
middle with at the score great. How do we make
that happen?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I don't know, but Citizens does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It makes sense of your money with Citizens, Official Bank
of Eli Manning.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So this will apply to Shador And I think one
of the guys we're going to talk about in Jackson Dart.
When you're looking at college quarterbacks, phil and they play
in a largely what I would call a college system,
like an Art Briles type.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh, you're getting right in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I think even though Pat Shrummer was O see
that Colorado offense is not an NFL West Coast offense,
But Jackson Dart at all missed that.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Was not an NFL time. I was. I'm very very
you evaluate.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
That very surprised. I'm just judging the guy. I'm not
judging the system and the coach. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
But those you have to figure out how they're reading
it out, how they're thinking about things like that.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Are they doing what they've been taught? So that's how
I look at it. Shadur, Yes, it was a really
interesting offense. Okay, if you have a bad offensive line,
why are we always in spread?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Get outside?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And you know, of course the number seventy four percent completion,
that's really good, but you know, a tremendous, tremendous high.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Number of screens screen.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And you know, so it's a little a little bit
false when you look at some of those numbers. But
I don't care. How's he reading the play? Is he
finding the right guy? He does an okay job in
that not great. In other words, he doesn't stay with
the pattern of the play as much as I would
like to see him do as a quarterback. Now, Jackson
(05:47):
Dart I hear this, Oh, it's not a pro offense. It'sist. Man.
I love their offense and I love it for a
quarterback getting ready to go into pro football. It has
all the things. They have, tons of plays where a
lot is on the quarterback one, two and three whatever.
If it's open, we run. And I thought it was
I wrote in my notes many times. Man, it's a
(06:09):
great offense for a college kid. Okay, I didn't see
when the way you freeze it sometimes or people do it,
sounds like it's a big gimmick. It's not a gimmick.
It has tons of NFL plays in it. Tons, And
I would say, you know, just looking at Jackson Dart,
I've said this this week a lot. You know, he's
(06:30):
smooth thrower, has a really good arm. Is it top
flight NFL?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
No, But it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Doesn't have to be. We've seen many guys do it
without tremendously strong arms. But he's a good decision maker.
His mobility is an issue that it will be a
problem because he knows how to escape the pocket and
get a few yards and protect himself.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
A problem for defenses, not fir. Yeah, a problem for defenses.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
And you know, like I said, the motion, the positions
he gets it he gets in to throw the football
are all good. So you know, it's hard not to
say that you like Jackson Darnal lot.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
How quickly do you think he could get on the
field or is it going to take some some training.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't think it'll take long. You know, he's got
great experience, he's got the body type. All that is
throwing is they're gonna find out right away. He's naturally
accurate with the football, you know. So I always say
this and take you it's some people are put on
earth to throw, okay, and he's he's one of those.
So that's what I say.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Let's go to Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
He comes from that Brom offense at Louisville, which I
think has a lot of NFL concepts under center, all
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's what it is, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It truly is. Jeff Brom played in the NFL a
little bit and he likes it. He likes that type
of offense. Why it's it's he needs the quarterback to
play well, but it toughens up. They run the ball
enough and believe in handing it off or whatever to
make their team tough. But Tyler shuck. I watched him
at Texas Tech some and went back and looked at that.
(07:55):
They had tons of quarterback runs when he was playing there,
and he was really dynamic and a little too tough.
But and his throwing man he was he would let
it go. Now the guy I saw a Louisville a
little more careful running, still got mobility to really be
a help help him in the NFL. And the throwing
(08:18):
was good. But I didn't see him just rare back
and throw it like I did at Texas Tech. But
a lot of people like him, they should. Lewis Riddick
did games at Louisville for the ACC Network, and he
loves him. He loves him, of course. See that's what
he has. He saw him in a game, he sees
him in person. He probably watched practice. So that's information
that you just can't get sometimes from just watching film.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
All right, let's go to Jaylen Milroe, who I think,
just based on his throwing, is gonna be a little
bit of a project.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
They get him ready to go, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
But what do you see from him and do you
think he can get to where he needs to be
to be a guy that could be a pocket passion
in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Man, that's a long road to travel, it is. That's
a long one. So you know, I'm not gonna say
yes or no, but it's gonna be tough. And if
it's tough like it was in college for him, See
when you look, if I could run like Jalen Milroe.
I'm not gonna get to the third read of a play.
By god, I'm gone. I'm gonna look at one, maybe two,
(09:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
One.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
He's covered.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm gone. And by the way, that's not a bad
play for him. Is he so fast? No, he is.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
He's strong, fast, big, He's got all that going for him.
And that's great. But that's it's gonna be. Hey, it
was rough in the SEC at times. It's hard to
live and it's really hard, and sooner or later and
everybody goes, oh, well, maybe he can turn into Lamar Jackson.
Lamar Jackson came into the league. He could really throw
(09:40):
the ball. He had great power touch. And when I
studied him before he came out, I was like, oh
my gosh, he's so much faster and quicker. And I'm
from Louisville. I followed Louisville. Bobby Patrino was his coach,
and I couldn't get over it. I was I thought
he was gonna be the first or second pick of
(10:01):
the draft that year.
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Speaker 2 (10:17):
All right, final question on the quarterbacks, and then I
know you got to get out of here.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I'm fine, don't brush me.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No, you get to where you gotta go out time
you all right? All right?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
When you look at a quarterback film, what are maybe
one or two of the things where you watch them
play in college and they maybe do something a certain
way that raises a red flag for you that you
get concerned as to whether or not that can be
corrected with coaching, or is that something that's instinctual and
kind of what they are from a you know, deep
(10:47):
inside of them that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Hard to correct from a coaching perspective.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
In the NFL, that's tough. I would just say this,
and I say this every year, and I say it
many times. When you're looking at quarterbacks, you're looking up
no matter what round you think they're gonna go in.
Are there two physical traits that you can really count on?
And one of those traits is he big? Is he
really fast? Does he have a really strong arm?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Is he just dead eye?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Accurate throw in the football? All those things? And I
always kind of phrase it this way. The quarterback with
teams in the NFL now and the kids coming in,
when it's a routine throw, you just can't miss it.
You can't. I mean, you got to hit all the
routine throws. There's fifteen to twenty of them a game, screens,
(11:30):
short passes, guys moving whatever, a little, whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You got to do that.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
And if you can't make consistently Jalen Milrow would fit
in this category. Make consistently make the routine throws, and
it's going to be hard to have great success in
the NFL. And what we need is the quarterback that
makes those routine throws and then can he give me
three or four special ones, which usually means to me
(11:57):
a power throw down the field, somewhere in between defenders
where you go, I know I can get it in
there because I've done it a lot of times and
you get it done in the game, so you know,
that's that's that's kind of how I start judging. And
it comes in so many forms the quarterbacks now that
you've got to be careful how you do it. But
(12:17):
hard to come into the NFL and and to go
from one from a running, mostly physical quarterback to become
a pocket passer. That is a really really tough transition.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
All right. Other side of that question, what's something that
you think can get cleaned up or improved or get
better with good coaching as.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You Yeah, yeah, if the coaches really know what they're
doing and how to do it. I think the first thing,
it's like golf. We see a golfer. You know he's
really good, but it's not coming together. And the reason
why is your swing is a little out of whack.
It's it's not it's not pro tour ready. And that's
the same with throwing. Do you have the motion that's
(12:57):
going to give you a chance to be really consistent
and as a quarterback when you go on that field,
no matter who you are, and these kids coming up,
they're gonna find out. Damn the third quarterback, he can
really throw it. Come to the Giants, Okay, we got
the two, we know they designed. What's Tommy DeVito throw
You'll throw it. Tommy DeVito can throw it. And if
they bring a quarterback in, that's one of the first
(13:17):
things you're gonna say, who the hell is he?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Because he can Tommy DeVito. Of course he's a jersey
guide all that, but he is an excellent thrower of
the football. There's other things you got to tie up,
but you can help quarterbacks become more accurate if you
teach them a few things that are really standard to
all great throwers in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
All right, final question, Based on what you know about
Brian Dable, what he likes in the quarterback position, based
on how his offense works, and what you've seen from
the Giants offense, which one of these guys do you non,
including Camward, do you think would be a good fit
for how the Giants use their quarterbacks in their offense.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Well, listen, draft the guy. Whatever, You're gonna have to
make adjustments and what you do and what you call
and what you design a little bit for every single quarterback.
So I would say, for all the guys that we're
talking about, not a big adjustment. He's gonna be able to.
Besides Daln Milrow, the rest of them are gonna be
in the thing. They're gonna be pocket passers, and you
(14:16):
hope for some mobility, but you want the guy that
has extreme accuracy throw in the football. And I think
all three, the three ones that we all put into
the group are what Shador, Jackson, Dart and Tyler. Tyler
shuck those three and I think they all kind of
have it. And I'm not gonna get too detailed about it,
(14:37):
but one is a little more mobile than the other ones.
One is this, and this one throws the ball with
a little more pace on it or whatever. So they
all kind of have it. I think they all will
fit the New York Giants, depend on how it goes.
I would expect, you know, I hate to do all
these I would expect one of those three to be
with the Giants here tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So I like to hear Sel say tomorrow night. So
you're thinking, may be a trade up for one of
those guys, not that you know anything.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Just well, if I had to guess. I'm just guessing.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I'm frust me.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
The Giants are going to have to move up in
the first round to get the guy that they want.
I agree with you, I don't think there's any way
around that. And you know, people lay in the woods
to draft a quarterback that have been quiet all off season,
and we know all the teams that need one, and
so the Giants are gonna if I'm just saying this, uh,
they'll probably have to be a little more aggressive in
(15:30):
their trade up than probably first anticipated to be.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
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