August 27, 2024 • 47 mins
In celebration of the Giants' 100th season, an independent committee ranked the Giants' Top 100 Players. The countdown continues with 20 through 11. Presented by Bud Light.
The "Top 100 Players" Committee: Bob Papa (Chair), Pete Abitante, Ernie Accorsi, Judy Battista, John Berti, Linda Cohn, Vinny DiTrani, Bob Glauber, Joe Horrigan, Jay Horwitz, Peter King, Gary Myers, Paul Schwartz, George Willis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another edition of Giants Top one hundred Players,
presented by Bud Light. I'm Bob Papa, and we've got
a great show lined up for you. Bob Glauber, one
of the panelists who helped create this list of Top
one hundred Giants, joins us here on this program and Bob,
over five thousand men have worn a Giants uniform since
nineteen twenty five. Put this list together of votable players,
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and it was a challenge figuring out this top one hundred.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It was a huge challenge.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
But you know, some of the players, obviously you know
where to place them. They're at the top. And then
you know, you kind of go through the list and
there are so many players who have been through here
that are great, and you think of the legacies. I mean,
I got a chance to go to Giants games when
I was a kid at Yankee Stadium. Yes that long ago,
So you know, you know the history of how many
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players have come through. These two great players have come
through and really are at or near the.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Top of that list.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So a great exercise in trying to fit figure out,
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Who ranks where we're going to zero in on numbers
eleven through twenty, and it's kind of fitting because he
wore number eleven. Phil Simms joins us.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Phil.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
When you think about the history of this franchise, and
I know you're well versed in it, to think about
the fact that you were voted one of the top
one hundred players in the history of the franchise. When
you think about that, what comes to your mind.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, that's awesome. You know, the history of the New
York Giants. It's tremendous for many reasons what they did
many many years ago, and of course the fact that
they've won Super Bowls too. So it's great to be
part of it. I loved when I was a player
seeing some of the old guys come back. I'll never
forget Tiki training camp. You know, we're there and why
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a Tittle shows up at training camp and we're throwing
the ball to each other and thinking, man, this.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Is so cool.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Going to why Diddle and you know, I just think
about him and Charlie Connelly, the two other quarterbacks. But
to see him and meet them and know what they
did and to be part of it, it's a great honor.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
All right, We're going to revisit that because Ya came
in at number twelve in the voting. Wow, and Charlie
Connolly came in at number thirteen in the voting, So
we're going to go back to that. Number fourteen is
Tiki Barber, the franchises all time leading rusher, and Tiki,
like Phil, you know, you have your name in the
Ring of Honor. But now with this list coming out
in the one hundred years, it kind of brings a
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lot of things into perspective.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Does it really does, especially because I'm surrounding all these quarterbacks,
the icons of the franchise, so to speak. But you know,
Phil mentioned something really interesting. When I first got here,
I didn't know the history of the New York Giants.
I grew up in Washington, so I was a then
Redskins fan, and I hated this team, just like I
hated the Cowboys and I hated the Eagles. But once
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you get to know this organization, and I think more importantly,
the family, the Mayra family, you realize how important it
is when you turn out to be a good player
here and you talk about y a tittle. For me,
it was Frank Gifford. Frank would come around and I
lived in the city. I was one of the few
that lived in New York City, and he would tell
me these stories of my house. My apartment was the epicenter,
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right There was players there, the politicians were there, the
police were there, like everybody was there, and I kind
of wanted to be him.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
He was an icon for me in so many ways,
and to get a chance as a young player to
interact with him was something was special.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It made me.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Feel like I was part of that history. And then
to now be now that I'm retired, to be a
part of it as well as something that's really special.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Gifford loved your game.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, I mean he really focused on you and watched you,
and he saw a lot of you in him and
or him and you, and like I think he said
something like, you know, if I was just a runner,
I wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
If you were just a runner, if you were just
a receiver.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You wouldn't have made it, if you were just a returner.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But you know you had everything.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Barbara at his own fifteen Tiky makes one man mess
at the twenty outside to the twenty five Tikey.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Up to the thirty to the fortys to be going
down the left sideline to the forty, to the thirty,
to the twenty.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
He's gonna score fuck touchdown.
Speaker 8 (04:05):
Ticky Bomber five yards by Ticky who's been on fire
tonight in all areas, rushy cat see the ball and
now punt return.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And that was the similarity.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And I think it's cool to kind of link it
all the way back there with Gifford. He was the
golden boy, and he was like he was mister.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Or well he was the first of the first, right,
he was the first to do all those things and
then retire and do TV or actually he kind of
did it while he was.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Playing Frank Gifford, I said, you know, I was talking
to him once, so we were pretty good friends. You know,
I met him many many times. I said, I'd like
to hang out with you one night, Nibs. I bet
you would, Okay, hey, you I was trying to get invited,
but I didn't get invited.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Invite not forthcoming.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh, there's some parallels in your careers in the regards
to Phil. You know, you were drafted in the first round,
but it didn't work out right away. You went through
a lot of trials and tribulation before becoming the man here. Tiki,
you were drafted in the second round and you were
used as a punt returner and a third down back.
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And arguably, if you take a look at Tiki's career,
the last five years of your career might be the
greatest five years of any running back in the history
of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Number twenty one, Tiki Barber. The Giants say we are
going to give the football to him.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
They hand it off for Barber, running right, big hole
to the thirty. There goes Barbara the foot race to
the cardinal forty thirty twenty.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Ten five touchdown ticket.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Your marge, what a run by ticket.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
He's having it all pro day.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
There's something about the people in this organization that make
you feel loyal to it. And I think Coach Fossil,
when he rests in peace, was one of those that
had a real loyalty towards me.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
Hey twenty one, great job, Buddy hay hel a job man.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Had a red job and he just kind of kept
me around. And Tiki, focus on being a great third
down back, focus on being a great punt returner, and
the rest will take care of itself, and eventually.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
It did pitch right, tiki to the outside, can't cut
it now, hesitation move, cuts up a ten, reverses his
field to the near sign, run away from one man,
farbar to the ten fish spectacular touchdown, take a barber,
look a regulars touch down run.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That was a great game.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm gonna tell you what, man, I'm so proud of you.
Thank you man.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So what about for you that? I mean, there are injuries,
you know, there was obviously the coaching change, and then
Parcels came in and the horrible season of eighty three,
but you stuck with it, and they stuck with you.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, you know many things. You know, it got off
the good start. I loved my rookie year. I just
couldn't get over the weather though. It's like, oh my god.
You know about mid season it's thirty mine hour wins.
When you're practicing in the games, it's raining all the time,
and I just I wasn't used to that. But that
was great. But yeah, getting injured probably saved my career here,
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I think, and I say it so well. In eighty
three Bill Parcells' first year, he took it over and
he gave the job to Scott Brunner. And you know,
it's funny. I think as a player you always know right,
and nothing shocked me. I knew. I just I can
get a sense, I can feel it. And of course
some of the other coaches told me so I know it,
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really knew, but I got hurt. I finally came into
a game to relave him a go right down to
field and score a touchdown. The fans actually liked me,
now where this is pretty cool. And then I break
my thumb really bad, really bad. I mean, I just like,
oh my gosh. But that might have done it, because
the rest of the year was a train wreck, if
you remember, and it was so bad. I would have
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been a part of that if I was still the
starting quarterback, and they might have said that's the end
of it. But Scott Bruner finished the year out. It
didn't go well. The record was I think three twelve
and one, remember that, And so the following year everything changed.
I was the quarterback. Bill Parcells became Bill Parcells, I
mean for real, he changed tremendously. He was in charge
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and leading and it was awesome, and of course the
rest of his history it worked out pretty well. From there.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, I mean and my first year covering a Giants
was nineteen eighty five, and it was the perfect time
just to come in and you know, you have all
these big personalities, you Joe Morris, Bill Parcells, Lawrence Taylor,
Harry Carson, what a what a room to come into
and and was like wow, And it was the perfect
time because you had turned the corner.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, four, you win.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You go to the playoffs, eighty five you get another
step further, and you know, you play the Bears and
they and they and they got the better of you.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And it was clear. And then that eighty six it.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
All came together and then your Super Bowl run was
you know, magnificent.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, you know I was a big personality. Well not
not in those rooms.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
You couldn't have been.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, not even that. And the course of that coach
we had, you know, what was it?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
What was that like?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I mean because I think of the personalities from Afar,
from Lawrence to Carl Banks and Harry. It was a
big like ego room.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, well how does that work?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It was awesome. You know, that energy you get from
all those guys every day. The locker room was you know, gosh,
I don't even know if you could do what we
did that in today's world. I mean it was out
of control. You know that that fifteen minutes before practice,
I would sit in my stool and just go, oh, please,
don't aybody pick on me, because it was just it
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was incredible. You can't I couldn't even tell the stories here, right,
And so that kind of set the stage, and it
was just Bill was a tough guy. We practiced incredibly
hard and all that, and you know so I was
kind of always sitting back and watching it. Yeah, we
were starting to have I was starting to have even
more success. But I never looked at myself like I'm
a big personality in this team. I might have been
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the personality in the huddle that you had to be.
I mean, oh yeah, direct pretty good in the huddle.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
You direct in the ship.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
As oj Anderson once said, the greatest compliment I ever got,
somebody were to meet him and Eli are doing the
thing and somebody goes, oh, Jay, did you ever come
back after a play and tell Phil that you were open?
And he go, what, bndy? And he just says, there's
no way. If you said a word to him, he'd
get out. And I go, was that bad.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Christ to hear you say you didn't think you were
a big you were a huge person out.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Wow, okay, yes, absolutely?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Did you take on the image of Parcels when you
were in the huddle as you got deeper?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Absolutely? And if I didn't, he would, you know, crush
me for it. You know, he really wanted to be
quit trying to let guys that you don't worry about
if they like you or not. They don't care no
matter what you do. There's guys this team are still
not going to like you. Just lead them to a touchdown?
Could you do that? Could you be that?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And then he would get on me because the old
lion was playing bad. Tell that undisciplined center. We got
to get his head out of his ass.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
This a that's him today, all right, forty second year unbelievable?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Is that myful?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yes, it is a friend. You used to lead them.
Now you're just a buddy, and you know, hey, look
his stories. I could talk about Bill for an hour.
But the thing about him is all his little sayings
and everything he did, they were so true, not only
about football, about everything.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So Tiki, you guys go to the Super Bowl in
two thousand, you played in arguably the greatest game in
giant stadium history, the NFC Championship Game forty one and nothing.
But then you start to mature as a team leader
and the team's getting better. O two. That team was
a really good team, and then you know, four five, six,
you're going to the playoffs. What was it like going
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from a guy that was part of the piece to
being a central fit?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah? I mean life is a transition, and I think
sports are just a microcosm of that in so many
different ways. But sometimes you need something different. And I
loved coach Fossil, but when coach Coughlin came and he
brought his staff, in particular Gerald Ingram, the details became
so much more important. And that's what took me to
another level.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
As a player.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
It was literally little things like how are you mechanically
carrying the football? I don't know. I just do it,
like they told me when I was ten years old,
like when you go into contact like that. But he's like, no,
that's actually wrong because it's exposed, right, unless it's high
and tight vertical, right, unless it's your elbows down and
you cross yourself going into contact. I always tell kids. Now,
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the X will save you, right, the X will keep
you from fumbling. It was something very tiny that changed
my career. It changed my confidence so that by the
end of my career when I retired, like I just
knew I was going to be good. And I mean, Bob,
you probably remember these. After some of these games, I
just was I was on the edge of cocky, right,
but I knew I was going to have a good game.
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I knew I was going to have success regardless of
what they were trying to do to us or who
we were playing. I knew that we would all put
it together. But part of that was the owner ship
that everybody had, from left tackle to right tackle to
receivers doing their jobs downfield. And I know that Amani's
on this list at sixteen, right behind us, and all
the big runs that I had in my career, you
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can go look at every single one of them, there
is somebody thirty yards downfield making them play. On the
ninety five yard I had against Oakland, Plexico Burris comes
and cracks the corner, then Pure wets and then goes
and gets the safety, and Amani comes from the other
side of the field and blocks the other safety, so
that I'm just kind of cruising.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I'm like, I don't have to work.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Hard, right, everybody else is doing the job with me,
not formed, but with me. And that's why we were good.
That's what coach Coaughland preached. It was those little things,
sure like if you're too tired to go run down
the field and guess what, somebody else is going to
be in here.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And it was a tough transition with him, Oh, really tough.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
He came in and Foster was a you know, more
of a player's coach. Players liked him, but and Coffin
comes in and it's it's tough, right. It was the
high and tight. I will always look at you, oh
my god, and high and tight. It's just the two
words that that turned things.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And it's so simple.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, and he made you hold the football when you
get went home.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Right, you had when I was at home, when I
was doing the training test on the treadmill and we
were sitting in our mating rooms.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It was NonStop.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But to watch that transform into and you blossom, you
know statistically, and you know the fumbling issue was not
a factor for the rest of your career.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
It was remarkable yeah, fifty nine and ten years fifty nine.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
You know a lot. We all learned how to carry
the football during that era. I mean because I'd read it.
It was in the paper, right, it was talked about him, like,
let me try that.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
The only time I became aware of it was you
remember Thomas George right right. He sat me down in
training camp, because in training camp I would just hang
out in the lunch rop. I wouldn't go back and sleep,
just sitting there eating a salad. He comes up and
saddles up next to me. He was like, Tike, you
got a fumbling problem. Like, what the hell you talking about?
I don't got a fumbling problem. He just pulled out
this sheet that had all these numbers on it. I
was like, wow, I do. But at that time I
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didn't know how.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
To fix it.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
It actually started to manifest itself in my head and
became like destructive because I was thinking about it all
the time and I didn't know what I was doing wrong.
And then this is why I come in Coach Kauughlin
and his staff, like they identified the problem, and then
you fix it. Once you become aware of it, it
becomes easy. But at that time I was like I want,
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I was in denial in a way.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It was nice to hear a sportswriter turn around here.
How George worked for the New York Times. Yes, yes,
but he was very close to the players and he
got stuff out of players, and it's good that he
reached you.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I want to bring up a name that's part of
this list. He comes in at number sixteen on this list.
You mentioned Amani Tumor, another guy that came in with
a chip on his shoulder because he wasn't a first
round pick. He was a second round pick. What was
he like as a teammate and he goes on to
become the giants all time leading receiver and catches yards touched.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I swear Bob.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
He always basket caught everything. Everything was in his basket
because he could put his elbows together. And it's why
he was good punt returner. He never muffed them because
the ball would come right into the basket and sit there.
And if you needed a big catch, you could trust
that the money was gonna make it. And he was reliable.
He was healthy. He was big and strong and powerful.
And I love being a teammate with him because you
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you knew what to expect every single time, and as
a as a player, that's that's all you want. Give
me the same thing every single day. And that was
the money.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And his footwork was incredible. The boundaries unbelieva. I mean,
Chris Carter was one of the best in that era,
but Amani was right up there. Catch he had in
the NFC Championship game in Green Bay at lambeau Field
was incredible and it was like the Broncos seemed to
be his coming out party. Remember they were undefeated, they're
defending Super Bowl champs. Kent Graham, you called it for
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the game, Kent Graham throws it to blitz On Giants,
get it.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
Graham throws keep down the right side looking for tumor.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Toutch down, but.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Touch in touchdown and the joints wint that undefeated Broncos.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
To make me famous.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And that seemed to breathe life into Amani's career because
he wound up beating the Broncos again with Eli you
played in that game. That was an emotional game as
mister Mara the last days of his life, so pretty impressive.
His kind of ties with the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah, money is is he doesn't get the credit he deserves.
I mean, it's it's baffles me when I rethink of
our joint careers. He played a year before me and
a year after me, or actually a couple of years
after me. He never made the Pro Bowl. And it
makes no sense because of how reliable and resilient and
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just dependable he was as a player. Like it's those
little things that get lost to the to the national
exposure of tea.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
You know, Amani played in an era where receivers became
so larger than life in the game too, the defense,
and there were big ego receivers right there were great
talented and Amani always he was very understated.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
He just it wasn't his personality.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
So he was quiet about himself and I think it
probably hurt him recognition wise. The other thing with Amani
is he he made a speech to his team before
the seven playoffs. He had been to the Super Bowl
in your teams two one, and he says to the players,
guys and is before the Super Bowl, Listen, I've been
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here before. You have to take advantage of this moment
because if you don't, it'll live with you for the
rest of your life. You will never live it down.
You just have to seize this moment. And it was
I remember writing about that and it was remarkable and
it really made an imprint on.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It, right.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I mean, that's that's important. I mean I remember having
this conversation with Strahan and it's near the end of
my care I ended up retiring the following year. It
was in the off season, and I was like, I
don't know if I'm going to get another shot because
I didn't know where the team was.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
We'd gone ten and six and then we were eight
and it was bad, like Eli's first year was bad.
Then we had a winning season and we had an
average season. It's like, I don't know if I'm going
to get another shot. And then ultimately I retired and
he's like, yeah, I don't know either, and he hung
on for one more year and he got another shot,
which is the year you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That whole thing. You get your chance. I can't imagine
my life if we wouldn't have won the Super Bowl.
I know would have been different. And you know I
can carry things pretty well, I'd still be angry about it,
you know, just it is amazing. I talked to guys
every now and then it had their chance and it didn't.
They didn't win, and I feel for them because I
think it is what you said. It's almost a burden
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to carry, you know, it just depends. But those kind
of sports, it's great. The highs are the super high.
But losing the Super Bowl, man, I don't know what
to say. It's like you said, you got to hope
you get one more chance.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And help that.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
We got our butts kicks, so it was close.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It was yeah, no, I hear you. That was a
special team you played against.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
They were they were good.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
We're pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh two though that team, that team could have won
a super Bowl, THEO two team if not for the
right Niners meltdown. But we're not going to talk about
the negative here. You know, we've talked about a Moni
not being self promoting. Number eighteen on this list is
Mark Bavarro talking about not self promoting.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
No, yeah, man, a few words, you know, as I
always tell people, it was just a few words for
me too. But I always tell this story and it's
so true. I and I. It's it's hard to say
this because it comes off as braggame, but we created
the back shoulder throw. We created it. You and Mark Well.
Our team we had small receivers so beating people down
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the field. So we we were a tremendous back shoulder
team throwing. You know, I'll never forget. We're playing the
Steelers in a preseason game. We're watching the film of
the game and Parcels goes, why didn't you throw it
to Bavaro? I said, he's covered, and he goes, sims,
you don't understand when he's covered, he's open, And you know,
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I don't know. I knew. I guess I knew the
Bill Parcells language. And I go, he's right. So Mark
run down the field. If the guy was inside, high, low, whatever,
I knew where to throw it. And he you know,
of course he's got hands about this long, so he
was a great hand catcher. And I don't remember him
dropping those passes now, And we did it. I went
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to the Pro Bowl in eighty five and John Robinson
I put in some of those plays that I'm talking
about with Mark. Vady goes, I never understood that with
you guys, that is so dangerous, not if you do
it every day. And I did it in that game
and got the MVP. And I put the plays in,
which was awesome. But yeah, Mark was phenomenalon that way
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that I could throw it high behind him in front whatever.
He knew the adjustments and it really helped change my
life as a as a quarterback. And it perpetuated itself.
In nineteen eighty six, Remember we went down and scrimmaged
for days with the Atlanta Falcons. We had like a
team thing, and I threw like fifteen touchdowns in one
period because I was throwing back shoulders and they'd never
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seen them.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
You guys were innovators in a lot of ways in
because think of the small receiver in today's game.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I know we had small receivers too. They were
and you.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Know, I'm problem Bobby Johnson.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Bobby Johnson. Yeah, just great feet, both of them. Bobby Johnson,
he wasn't fast, but he's another one. He never dropped
the ball. Yeah, and Loan o'manuel had the greatest feet
maybe I've ever seen. His feet were so quick and
he could do everything with them. He turned you know,
corners around right and left all the time.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah. But I was saying it's unique because back then
you could you could kill wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, you could hit them. Yeah, I let them into
trouble a few times.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So they just going back to Mark though, as a teammate. Yeah,
he's legendary. He's on this list for a reason. Loved him.
What can you share about him that maybe people don't know?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, I think the play in San Francisco, which in
nineteen eighty six on the Monday night game, just explains
everything about him. His will, his determination, his talent.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Competed the Bavar down to the thirty five, showing to
speak to the thirty, down to the twenty five, down
at the twenty he's got four menut.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
In his back. He us down to the seventeen.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And you know Mark was big for a tight end
back then. You know his big frame, long arms, huge hands,
all that could block anybody, a great run blocker, just
he had all of it. And you know he was
just a great personality for the team. And it is
true he did not talk. He's a stone face, that Bavaro.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Now you know what the hell he's thinking, I ain't
have to fight that son.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Of a gun. Why was that great?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Just the aura around him? Oh, I see, you know
it was there, It was real and we knew every
game that he was going to be a big part
of us winning or losing with his blocking or care
the football. And he broke his jaw. One year, he
did not miss a game after he broke his jaw,
but none of us really knew because he didn't talk anyway,
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And it's true. And then you know, Larry is on
the plane after we won a road game. He's eating
baby food. You know, it was incredible his who could
play in today's world with a broken jar would let you?
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yeah, you're right, he wouldn't doctors, wouldn't smart.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
One probably toughest guys.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
The first year of training camp, first training camp, a
couple of weeks in, he got sick, he got dehydrated,
had to go to the hospital, had to get IVS.
Shows up in the afternoon before practice and Parcells says,
what are you doing here? He knew he could going
to hospital. I got practice and he practiced, and you.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Kind of knew.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I mean, this guy wanted it and he had the
will that was really hard to find.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, well, I can tell tell me stories about him.
I think it was nineteen eighty five. We're playing Houston,
the game is over, we're winning, We're gonna do. We're
gonna call a play. He goes. He never talked in
the huddle. He says, don't call that play, call this play.
And I said, well, why do you want that? He goes,
I want to hit this guy one more time. And
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that was like okay. So I changed the play, which
I never did in my whole career once, but I
did it for him. And because he wanted to fight.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
The guy right didn't work.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, they got in a fight.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I had to tell you, he has.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Like an aura about him. It's unbelievable image, like he
exists as this iconic tough man.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Well, the play on the field was everything. You know,
that play, like I said, I watched to play. It
almost makes me cry about he caught that pass over
the middle against the forty and just exemplify who he was,
the fact that he played with the broken jaw, which
we didn't even know, and he was just awesome. Our
offense centered around him, Our passing game centered around Mark Bavarro,
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and we all fed off on it, and we tried
to get in the ball as much as possible. And
you know, of course, hey, there were a few times
we were playing the Cincinnati Bengals in eighty five. He
I don't know how many passes he caught, but it
was a lot that day. And I actually saw him
kind of walk back to the huddle once with a
smile because even he knew this is like, it's a
tough game. We might not be winning. Damn I'm catching.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Then you throw for five.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, well, it's easy to do when you dig a
hole for your football team and try to get out.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I want to ask you about number seventeen on this list,
Carl Banks, two time Super Bowl champion, and you know,
drafted in eighty four in the first round, when your
roster wasn't begging for linebackers, you were loaded at linebacker,
and he and Bavarro obviously practicing against each other every day.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
They oh gosh, well talk about.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Those battles between Carl and Bavarro.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
It was unbelievable between Mark Bavarro, Andy Hedding, Carl Banks,
Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt. I mean, you know, Harry Carson,
Gary whatever. But I was like, oh my god, they
gotta come out to practice every day and do this
because it was a fight. The defense was mad because
they weren't getting enough playing time. But there was Mark.
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They would literally get in battles every day. And you know,
you talk about Carl Banks always brings this first thought
in my mind, what do you think that is? Why
is Carl Banks not in the Hall of Fame? And
you too, okay? And I don't say hey, no, no,
not me. I don't. I'm not being shy or humble.
You can say it, but I don't bring myself into
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that because I don't believe it. But you know, Carl,
just go back and watch the nineteen eighty six if
nothing else, just watch the playoff run. He was unbelievable.
He was the best player in the field, the best.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Watch Carl Banks fifty eight coming from the outside of
the I think towards the end of the season, he's
become one of the best players in the whole league.
You can't run at him. You say you want to
run away from Lawrence Taylor, that's good, but you have
to run into him. You're not going to run outside
to get this giant defense.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
He might have been the MVP if you didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Probably you're right, I mean, he was. He just had
such a great knack. And you know, I think even
now and I see Carl go Oh my god, you're
a big dude. And we had some big damn limpiers.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
I mean, I'd be scared to play in.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Everybody was six four and five and all of them,
most of them could really run, and they were mad
as hell too at the world. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I wouldn't have worried about them tackling me. It had
been blocking them. Oh yeah, that's the challenge.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, And Carl was great.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Because these guys were heavy. They just looked heavy.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
They bodied.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Anthony Junis paid him one of the greatest confidences of
all time. He said he was a Hall of Famer
Cincinnati Bengal left tie guess that he goes. The best
outside linebacker I ever played against, uh was Carl Banks,
because of his ability to handle the run, pass rush,
deal with tight end, everything.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Everything just to should because exemplify that point would be
John Madden, who loved Lawrence Taylor. Of course everybody did,
of course, and John loved talking about him, and rightly so.
But one day on a telecast, I happen to see
it the telecast and he says, boom, boom, Lawrence Taylor.
But right now, the best linebacker in the NFL in
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my opinion is Carl Banks.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
I think over the long run, Carl Banks is going
to be the best player in this Giant defense. Like
he's going to be there for a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I mean, he can do it all.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
I mean he can cover, he can run, he can tackle,
he can do everything.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
And you know that takes something to say because you're
saying it against Lawrence Taylor. And that was John Madden's
favorite player probably of all time, right, and Harry's on
the team, and Harry's in there too.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I think that was he was. It wasn't overshadowed.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
But you know, when you have those guys with him,
they're two Hall of Fame players that you know, you say, well,
his Bank's a product of that. No, he was not
a product of the players around him. He was a great,
great player in his own right.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Absolutely a great I know neither of these two guys
had any interaction with him. But number fifteen on this
list is Toughy LeMans played for the Giants in the
thirties and forties and was really a unique player because
not only was he a runner, but he was a passer.
He was in the first NFL draft nineteen thirty six,
was the first year of the draft and the Giants
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drafted him. He had you know, five thousand combined yards
of rushing and passing and was inducted into the Pro
Football Hall of Fame in nineteen seventy eight. And mister
Marra personally scouted him. He was like seventeen years old
and he was scouting him, and he convinced, you know,
his father to select Tuffy LeMans and the guy went
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on to have a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
The first player that Willington Maraw scouted.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Wow, right, yes, at seventeen.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well it was a bolt, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
He was either just at Fordham or was on his
way in.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
But yeah, yeah, and he saw Tuffy LeMans. He transferred
to George wahs Is Washington and he was a star
there and Wellington Merrow had had conviction on him when
he saw him. And you know, back then, you know,
you're playing in the single wing. So in his position,
he's he's running the ball, he's throwing the ball, he's
catching passes. So it's a very very I'd like to
see the single wing in today's game. There are some
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things that people could do with that, but you know,
you don't have that kind of player anymore that threw
touchdowns and ran for touchdown.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Back then, they were probably more important than the quarterback. Yeah,
as far as throwing the football too, which is really amazing.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
And you know the thing, the only one is probably
Taysom right Hill. Yeah, and he is like probably the
only one in Yeah, Taysom Hill.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And you know they had a Toughy Leman's Day at
the Polo Grounds December seventh, nineteen forty one.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, okay, so it's Toughy Leman's Day to get a program,
and there's an announcement.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Made during the game.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
A military officer was summoned downstairs to call his commanding officer,
Pearl Harbor. Had happened Wow during the game.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
And they stopped the game.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
They did not stop the game. They didn't really announce
that it happened.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
People you know, got word through radio and stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
But they probably couldn't understand the magnitude.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
No in real time, and all service for the games
that were played that day, all service, you know, military
age personnel were summoned to their assignments. So it was
and that's Toughy Leman's Day. So it was a kind
of a PostScript to unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Sorry, I'm glad to know that fact. Yeah, it is philis.
You know the name Tuffy LeMans. It's kind of hard
not to know it. Yeah, in Italian history, it's.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Let me ask you about let me ask you about
the two quarterbacks that come after you and y A.
Tittle at number twelve and Charlie Connery on this lest
you mentioned at the beginning of this used to have
catches with them because they'd be around. Mister Marra always
had former Giants players around, but as a quarterback, what
about their games that you know?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I mean, we know what Tittle did? Yeah, why Tittle?
The first thing I think about he was Johnny and
IIIs at the time. Is that a good example? Yeah,
I mean, you know, not that I can remember all
of it, but I've watched enough and whatever, and I
knew about why Tittle And of course he's famous for
what photo. Yes, and it is unbelievable. And now I
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know stories about him. Johnny Disigel, who was a trainer
for the Giants for many of my maybe my whole career.
I don't know when Johnny Diziegel left, but he'd always
tell me I'd have something going on. He goes, oh,
could be in a baby Like, I'm not a baby
what they talk about. I think I'm fairly tough in football.
He goes, why a he would have never done this,
and I go, oh, yeah, you're gonna tell me this story.
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He would go into a stall in the bathroom and
tape himself. Wow, because he didn't want any player to
see him being taped and all this, I'm going, God,
you know it was. It was unbelievable. But you know,
he was really kind of a modern day quarterback in
old age. You know, back then they ran in like
two formations and it was the same offense for every team,
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and it seemed like in the NFL. But you know,
he was a big guy, threw the ball well and
even when he was fifty some years old. Is when
we hit our catch huh and Pace University in training
camp and I went, damn, he can still throw it
pretty well too, And you know he was fascinated by
We talked a little bit about what I did as
a quarterback. Goes, that's unbelievable, you know, because it progressed
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somewhat not compared I said things. Now, some of these
guys are like, God, these offenses you run.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Y A.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
Tittle connects with Joe Walton to tie the record of
seven touchdown throws in the game. Hy A noted five
hundred and five yards as he tied the mark first
set by Sid Luckman. The Giants win forty nine to
thirty four.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know, think about y A. Tittle in nineteen sixty three,
he set an NFL record thirty six touchdown passes throw
on that season. It took until Dan Marino in eighty
four to break that record. When you think about the
quarterbacks that played in the seventies, whether it's Roger Starbuck,
Terry Bradshaw, Kenny Stabler, Dan Fouts, you know, you go
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through the whole list of him, it's a pretty impressive
record that he had.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Still the Drance record, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It still is? Oh he led it and beat it.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Or he got to thirty five a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Wow, it's remarkable.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Man, man's that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Especially in his passing league.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Now, well, yeah, in this day and age, you think,
I don't know, thirty six touchdowns, I don't care how
you look at a lot. So that was why and
Chuck and Charlie Connolly, you know, couldn't be a nicer guy,
kind of below the radar when he talked to you whatever,
because I just wish you could run a little faster and.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
That's not gonna happens.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
The Marlborough Man, by the way, Yeah, I know, the
Marlborough Man.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, but he was.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I don't think I knew that he's the Marlborough commercial.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I think he had one with his road up in
the sleeves, right, I.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Believe rolled up.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah smoke if you got him. But if you just
saw him, you'd go, yeah, he's the Marlborough.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I don't think a lot of people know this, but
he was played at Ole, miss And if you go
to Oxford, there's a huge Giants fan base, and Giant
games are shown in Oxford, Mississippi, really because of Charlie
Connolly and then of course Eli oh or both of
those being old Miss Rebels.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
Eleven year veteran Chuck Connolly does the quarterbacking and must
be righted as an all time great. On the Browns eighteen,
Connolly hands to Webster, who hands to Gifford. On the reverse,
Berry supplies the block. Frank laterals to Connorley it's touchdown. Giants.
Connolly drives uninspired team. He fakes once twice three times.
Ben fires a forty six yarder to Bob Schnelker. Charlie
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Connolly evades the Skins and loops a pastor Road in
the corner. Touchdown. They're making a great, big Connery day.
Chuck talks his third touchdown f Schnelker for thirty four yards.
Good old number forty two. The thirty eight year old
hero is honored, and here he is in person. On
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Connery's second chance with the ball, there's no baking Webster
in triplet block, different slices in front of all, but
in scores on a twenty eight yard shot. What a combo.
Charlie Connolly make sure of his passing championship with a
twenty six yard touchdown.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Throw the rote.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
Charlie Connolly chose his third touchdown pass of the amazing
routes Will grabs him and the Giants clinched the Eastern
title forty eight to seven.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Let's go to nineteen on this list. Ken Strong Hall
of Famer, and this is a guy that he scored
the critical touchdown in the original Sneakers game of nineteen
thirty four against the Chicago Bears in the NFL Championship.
He had four hundred and seventy nine points in his career.
He's a guy that kicked, ran the ball, did all
those different things. It's kind of cool when you think
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about it, isn't it what?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
It is cool to think about the game back then?
How you had to do everything. I mean they used
to say that cliche just to make a football team,
whether you were a first round probably not a first
round pick, a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, exception round pick.
The more you can do, yeah, the more you can
do keeps you around, you know, special teams.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Back then, and even even when I was grew up,
you did everything. In other words, you played every sport.
You know how many times I threw a football during
the off season in high school.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
And college boom.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I never went out, let's go out and throw and
run some routes. So that just never happened. We were
all playing baseball doing not some everybody and I can't
imagine even back then. That's why they were so well versed,
being all around athletes. You know, oh, you run the
ball well, you can throw well. I bet you can
kick too. You want to kick. Yeah, kick.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
You know, hey had four hundred and seventy nine points
in his career and when he retired, he had the
most points in Giant's history because he ran it, he kicked,
he did everything.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Remarkable.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
One more name from the past, and then I have
some more questions for you guys. Jimmy Patten comes in
at number twenty, and Jimmy Patten was as good as
it gets. Emlyintonell holds the franchise record for the most
interception return yardage twelve hundred.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Jimmy Patten is second, and he's still second in the
Giants all time list of interceptions. It's fifty two.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Fifty two year. What year was this? Emily Okay, Emilytonell.
So he was drafted by the Giants in nineteen fifty five,
was on the fifty six championship team.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
They didn't throw the ball a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
He was five time first team All Pro, once a
second team All Pro Pro Bowls, And you know, you
think about Jimmy Patten and Emmlintonell, and those guys were
literally Emlyintonell's nickname was Mister Offense. On defense, but Jimmy
Patten was just as potent offensively this team it was.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
That's a remarkable and you know, five time first team All.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Pro not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
That's like, okay, yeah, that's an oversight there. One second
team All Pro. And I believe fifty two is the
number of interceptions that Dion Sanders had.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Somewhere around there.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah you want to and he was playing twelve games back. Yeah,
hadn't even gotten fourteen.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, well, it is strange. You know why some people
are not in the Hall of Fame always ago They're
trying to keep the numbers down whatever, But I don't
understand that.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Yeah, it seems like a deserving player, Yeah, be in regardless.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yea, in nineteen fifty eighty had eleven picks.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I mean, yeah, that's those numbers. And I don't care
what age and what time and what do we think
about pro football or anything like that, but yeah, maybe someday.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Well is it twenty thousand players have been in the NFL,
I believe.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
And it's less than four hundred who were in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
It truly is this exclusive very I forget already. It
is hearts three eighty something and he was two classes ago,
so it's probably it's under under.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Four Hundredah, yeah, mister Marra. We talked about him as
a scout, talked about both of you were fortunate enough
in your careers to really get to know the man
when you first met him. What was it like for you?
Speaker 5 (41:17):
It felt intimidating when I first met met mister Marra
because he was quiet, and I mean until I came
out of my shell, I was quiet too, so it
was it was comfortable, but just there's a reverence around him.
He was so much about his family, and I feel
so fortunate because I got asked to go up to
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their home when he was on his deathbed. And I
walked into the into the and of the house and
Jeremy Shockey was leaving, and he said, they're all in there,
and I'm like, what do you mean. He's like every child,
every grand kid, They're all there. And before I left,
I got a chance to sit by his bedside and
I said to him, well in tonight, mister Marra, thank
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you for making me a giant. My life is what
it is because you gave me the opportunity. And I
got to say my piece with him. And it was
something I'll never ever forget. But the memories of him
coming to the practice with his little cane slash chair
is what I always remember.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
He just walked down.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
He'd go sit at the end of the field and
just watch. Yeah, just sit there and watch. He didn't
say anything, so it wasn't like he was yelling at
us or or judging us or anything, but you knew
he was watching. And the only time he ever spoke
to the team in mass at Us was right after
Jim Fossil decided that he was going to stay on
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for the season but he was essentially fired and Wellington
Era gets in front of the top, in front of
the room and says, basically, we gotta win. And some
of you guys aren't gonna be here. Look to your
right and look to your left. Two of you aren't
gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
And it was like wow, it was like you never
hurt him say anything. When he said something, it was powerful.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah. You know, I think about him all the time,
not only him, but the whole family, and it's just
amazing to see how his love and respect for the
game is. The whole family, I mean, the sons, the daughters,
they're so the daughters. I mean, man, they're into it too.
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But my thoughts are about this mister Merritt. You know
our relationship. You know probably what hurt It hurt me
a lot of times because I felt like I was
letting him down when it wasn't going well, we lost
the game or didn't play a certain way. And I
had such great respect for him. You know, back when
I was playing, he was still he'd come out, but
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he kept his eyes on the practice, but he would
walk around the field to get his exercise in. And
when he would come on the field though, I always
noticed it and go, okay, I got tightened up a
little bit here. You know, let's be careful what I
say and let's make sure I do the right thing.
So his presence without talking was tremendous, and I don't know,
I feel bad that I didn't show as much as
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much appreciation as I probably should as I was playing.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
I don't think he don't think we knew how Yeah, no,
I don't think we knew what to do.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I love shaking his hand after we won. Yeah, he'd
shake my hand after losses too, but I did. It
was just something I could see it right. He won
and I won't even say what teams if we beat.
He loved that handshake. It was you know, there was
a couple there. He took personal and it was real and.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Uh Dallas right.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
But you're right about the family, Phil like everybody in
the family. Oh you feel like an extension of him, Yes,
through all of his kids and his grandkids. I'm never
LeVar Arrington said this, who formiliars with Washington And he
came to the Giants and he's here for a year
or so. Then he tore his achilles and his career ended.
But I remember having this conversation with him. He said, Tek,
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you know, the difference is between here in Washington. He said,
when you talk to somebody in Washington, they don't really care.
When you talk to somebody here, that person could be
the owner, right, or it's the extension of the owner.
The family is everywhere, and that's one of the things
I'm so grateful for is to get close to them,
in particular one of his grandkids, Tim McDonald, who is
here now.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
And I had so many interesting games in my career.
There's only one that I remember every moment of and
that was the game after Wellington passed away. We played
Washington at home, and it was one of my greatest games.
Two hundred plus yards and I scored a touchdown on
my last play of the game. And I took that
football and I ran it over to Timmy and I
gave it to him. I said, this is for you
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and for your family and your grandfather. Thank you for
letting me be a giant. And we destroyed them that day.
But it was my last play of the game, and
I mean it was the only way I can honor him.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, it's a beautiful remembrance. Phil.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
In ninety two training camp, there was a rumor that
you were going to go be traded to San Diego,
was her Yeah, so willing to marry. He didn't talk
much to the press, but when he did he made news.
He marched into the press room, he says, excuse me,
I have something to say. I've seen in the papers
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that Phil Simms might be on the move to be traded.
I'm gonna say this right now, right here, right now.
He is not being traded today, tomorrow, this month, this year,
or in the twentieth century.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Thank you, and he walked out.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
It was phenomenal to the point he did two walk offs.
He did that, and when Bavaro was released, he stormed
in and he was very angry, and he made it
very clear that that was not his decision, but as
the owner, he would allow his football people to handle.
I'll never forget that. I never saw mister Marra that
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mad on that day with Bavar.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I can see why, you know, because you know, just
talking about Mark, all that he did and all he said,
sacrifice in his life and everything to be the player
that he was. And of course you can't do anything.
I can imagine if for an owner you just can't
show enough appreciation the players sometimes for what they do
and what they sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Gentlemen, this has been awesome. I appreciate your work as
part of being this thirteen member Blue Ribbon panel to
help us get to this point. Phil Tiki, awesome stuff.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Great to be a part of it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Make sure you continue to follow the Giants on all
their social media platforms as we continue our countdown to
number one and looking at the top one hundred Giants
in the history of the franchise. Thanks for joining us
for Giants Top one hundred Players presented by bud Light
Welcome to another edition of Giants Top one hundred Players,
presented by Bud Light. I'm Bob Papa, and we've got
a great show lined up for you. Bob Glauber, one
of the panelists who helped create this list of Top
one hundred Giants, joins us here on this program and Bob,
over five thousand men have worn a Giants uniform since
nineteen twenty five. Put this list together of votable players,
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and it was a challenge figuring out this top one hundred.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It was a huge challenge.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
But you know, some of the players, obviously you know
where to place them. They're at the top. And then
you know, you kind of go through the list and
there are so many players who have been through here
that are great, and you think of the legacies. I mean,
I got a chance to go to Giants games when
I was a kid at Yankee Stadium. Yes that long ago,
So you know, you know the history of how many
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players have come through. These two great players have come
through and really are at or near the.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Top of that list.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So a great exercise in trying to fit figure out,
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Who ranks where we're going to zero in on numbers
eleven through twenty, and it's kind of fitting because he
wore number eleven. Phil Simms joins us.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Phil.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
When you think about the history of this franchise, and
I know you're well versed in it, to think about
the fact that you were voted one of the top
one hundred players in the history of the franchise. When
you think about that, what comes to your mind.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, that's awesome. You know, the history of the New
York Giants. It's tremendous for many reasons what they did
many many years ago, and of course the fact that
they've won Super Bowls too. So it's great to be
part of it. I loved when I was a player
seeing some of the old guys come back. I'll never
forget Tiki training camp. You know, we're there and why
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a Tittle shows up at training camp and we're throwing
the ball to each other and thinking, man, this.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Is so cool.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Going to why Diddle and you know, I just think
about him and Charlie Connelly, the two other quarterbacks. But
to see him and meet them and know what they
did and to be part of it, it's a great honor.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
All right, We're going to revisit that because Ya came
in at number twelve in the voting. Wow, and Charlie
Connolly came in at number thirteen in the voting, So
we're going to go back to that. Number fourteen is
Tiki Barber, the franchises all time leading rusher, and Tiki,
like Phil, you know, you have your name in the
Ring of Honor. But now with this list coming out
in the one hundred years, it kind of brings a
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lot of things into perspective.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Does it really does, especially because I'm surrounding all these quarterbacks,
the icons of the franchise, so to speak. But you know,
Phil mentioned something really interesting. When I first got here,
I didn't know the history of the New York Giants.
I grew up in Washington, so I was a then
Redskins fan, and I hated this team, just like I
hated the Cowboys and I hated the Eagles. But once
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you get to know this organization, and I think more importantly,
the family, the Mayra family, you realize how important it
is when you turn out to be a good player
here and you talk about y a tittle. For me,
it was Frank Gifford. Frank would come around and I
lived in the city. I was one of the few
that lived in New York City, and he would tell
me these stories of my house. My apartment was the epicenter,
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right There was players there, the politicians were there, the
police were there, like everybody was there, and I kind
of wanted to be him.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
He was an icon for me in so many ways,
and to get a chance as a young player to
interact with him was something was special.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It made me.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Feel like I was part of that history. And then
to now be now that I'm retired, to be a
part of it as well as something that's really special.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Gifford loved your game.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, I mean he really focused on you and watched you,
and he saw a lot of you in him and
or him and you, and like I think he said
something like, you know, if I was just a runner,
I wouldn't have made it.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
If you were just a runner, if you were just
a receiver.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
You wouldn't have made it, if you were just a returner.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But you know you had everything.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Barbara at his own fifteen Tiky makes one man mess
at the twenty outside to the twenty five Tikey.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Up to the thirty to the fortys to be going
down the left sideline to the forty, to the thirty,
to the twenty.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
He's gonna score fuck touchdown.
Speaker 8 (04:05):
Ticky Bomber five yards by Ticky who's been on fire
tonight in all areas, rushy cat see the ball and
now punt return.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And that was the similarity.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And I think it's cool to kind of link it
all the way back there with Gifford. He was the
golden boy, and he was like he was mister.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Or well he was the first of the first, right,
he was the first to do all those things and
then retire and do TV or actually he kind of
did it while he was.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Playing Frank Gifford, I said, you know, I was talking
to him once, so we were pretty good friends. You know,
I met him many many times. I said, I'd like
to hang out with you one night, Nibs. I bet
you would, Okay, hey, you I was trying to get invited,
but I didn't get invited.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Invite not forthcoming.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh, there's some parallels in your careers in the regards
to Phil. You know, you were drafted in the first round,
but it didn't work out right away. You went through
a lot of trials and tribulation before becoming the man here. Tiki,
you were drafted in the second round and you were
used as a punt returner and a third down back.
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And arguably, if you take a look at Tiki's career,
the last five years of your career might be the
greatest five years of any running back in the history
of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Number twenty one, Tiki Barber. The Giants say we are
going to give the football to him.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
They hand it off for Barber, running right, big hole
to the thirty. There goes Barbara the foot race to
the cardinal forty thirty twenty.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Ten five touchdown ticket.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Your marge, what a run by ticket.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
He's having it all pro day.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
There's something about the people in this organization that make
you feel loyal to it. And I think Coach Fossil,
when he rests in peace, was one of those that
had a real loyalty towards me.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
Hey twenty one, great job, Buddy hay hel a job man.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Had a red job and he just kind of kept
me around. And Tiki, focus on being a great third
down back, focus on being a great punt returner, and
the rest will take care of itself, and eventually.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
It did pitch right, tiki to the outside, can't cut
it now, hesitation move, cuts up a ten, reverses his
field to the near sign, run away from one man,
farbar to the ten fish spectacular touchdown, take a barber,
look a regulars touch down run.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That was a great game.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm gonna tell you what, man, I'm so proud of you.
Thank you man.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So what about for you that? I mean, there are injuries,
you know, there was obviously the coaching change, and then
Parcels came in and the horrible season of eighty three,
but you stuck with it, and they stuck with you.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, you know many things. You know, it got off
the good start. I loved my rookie year. I just
couldn't get over the weather though. It's like, oh my god.
You know about mid season it's thirty mine hour wins.
When you're practicing in the games, it's raining all the time,
and I just I wasn't used to that. But that
was great. But yeah, getting injured probably saved my career here,
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I think, and I say it so well. In eighty
three Bill Parcells' first year, he took it over and
he gave the job to Scott Brunner. And you know,
it's funny. I think as a player you always know right,
and nothing shocked me. I knew. I just I can
get a sense, I can feel it. And of course
some of the other coaches told me so I know it,
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really knew, but I got hurt. I finally came into
a game to relave him a go right down to
field and score a touchdown. The fans actually liked me,
now where this is pretty cool. And then I break
my thumb really bad, really bad. I mean, I just like,
oh my gosh. But that might have done it, because
the rest of the year was a train wreck, if
you remember, and it was so bad. I would have
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been a part of that if I was still the
starting quarterback, and they might have said that's the end
of it. But Scott Bruner finished the year out. It
didn't go well. The record was I think three twelve
and one, remember that, And so the following year everything changed.
I was the quarterback. Bill Parcells became Bill Parcells, I
mean for real, he changed tremendously. He was in charge
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and leading and it was awesome, and of course the
rest of his history it worked out pretty well. From there.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, I mean and my first year covering a Giants
was nineteen eighty five, and it was the perfect time
just to come in and you know, you have all
these big personalities, you Joe Morris, Bill Parcells, Lawrence Taylor,
Harry Carson, what a what a room to come into
and and was like wow, And it was the perfect
time because you had turned the corner.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, four, you win.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You go to the playoffs, eighty five you get another
step further, and you know, you play the Bears and
they and they and they got the better of you.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And it was clear. And then that eighty six it.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
All came together and then your Super Bowl run was
you know, magnificent.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, you know I was a big personality. Well not
not in those rooms.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
You couldn't have been.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, not even that. And the course of that coach
we had, you know, what was it?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
What was that like?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I mean because I think of the personalities from Afar,
from Lawrence to Carl Banks and Harry. It was a
big like ego room.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, well how does that work?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It was awesome. You know, that energy you get from
all those guys every day. The locker room was you know, gosh,
I don't even know if you could do what we
did that in today's world. I mean it was out
of control. You know that that fifteen minutes before practice,
I would sit in my stool and just go, oh, please,
don't aybody pick on me, because it was just it
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was incredible. You can't I couldn't even tell the stories here, right,
And so that kind of set the stage, and it
was just Bill was a tough guy. We practiced incredibly
hard and all that, and you know so I was
kind of always sitting back and watching it. Yeah, we
were starting to have I was starting to have even
more success. But I never looked at myself like I'm
a big personality in this team. I might have been
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the personality in the huddle that you had to be.
I mean, oh yeah, direct pretty good in the huddle.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
You direct in the ship.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
As oj Anderson once said, the greatest compliment I ever got,
somebody were to meet him and Eli are doing the
thing and somebody goes, oh, Jay, did you ever come
back after a play and tell Phil that you were open?
And he go, what, bndy? And he just says, there's
no way. If you said a word to him, he'd
get out. And I go, was that bad.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Christ to hear you say you didn't think you were
a big you were a huge person out.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Wow, okay, yes, absolutely?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Did you take on the image of Parcels when you
were in the huddle as you got deeper?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Absolutely? And if I didn't, he would, you know, crush
me for it. You know, he really wanted to be
quit trying to let guys that you don't worry about
if they like you or not. They don't care no
matter what you do. There's guys this team are still
not going to like you. Just lead them to a touchdown?
Could you do that? Could you be that?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And then he would get on me because the old
lion was playing bad. Tell that undisciplined center. We got
to get his head out of his ass.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
This a that's him today, all right, forty second year unbelievable?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Is that myful?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yes, it is a friend. You used to lead them.
Now you're just a buddy, and you know, hey, look
his stories. I could talk about Bill for an hour.
But the thing about him is all his little sayings
and everything he did, they were so true, not only
about football, about everything.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So Tiki, you guys go to the Super Bowl in
two thousand, you played in arguably the greatest game in
giant stadium history, the NFC Championship Game forty one and nothing.
But then you start to mature as a team leader
and the team's getting better. O two. That team was
a really good team, and then you know, four five, six,
you're going to the playoffs. What was it like going
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from a guy that was part of the piece to
being a central fit?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah? I mean life is a transition, and I think
sports are just a microcosm of that in so many
different ways. But sometimes you need something different. And I
loved coach Fossil, but when coach Coughlin came and he
brought his staff, in particular Gerald Ingram, the details became
so much more important. And that's what took me to
another level.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
As a player.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
It was literally little things like how are you mechanically
carrying the football? I don't know. I just do it,
like they told me when I was ten years old,
like when you go into contact like that. But he's like, no,
that's actually wrong because it's exposed, right, unless it's high
and tight vertical, right, unless it's your elbows down and
you cross yourself going into contact. I always tell kids. Now,
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the X will save you, right, the X will keep
you from fumbling. It was something very tiny that changed
my career. It changed my confidence so that by the
end of my career when I retired, like I just
knew I was going to be good. And I mean, Bob,
you probably remember these. After some of these games, I
just was I was on the edge of cocky, right,
but I knew I was going to have a good game.
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I knew I was going to have success regardless of
what they were trying to do to us or who
we were playing. I knew that we would all put
it together. But part of that was the owner ship
that everybody had, from left tackle to right tackle to
receivers doing their jobs downfield. And I know that Amani's
on this list at sixteen, right behind us, and all
the big runs that I had in my career, you
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can go look at every single one of them, there
is somebody thirty yards downfield making them play. On the
ninety five yard I had against Oakland, Plexico Burris comes
and cracks the corner, then Pure wets and then goes
and gets the safety, and Amani comes from the other
side of the field and blocks the other safety, so
that I'm just kind of cruising.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I'm like, I don't have to work.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Hard, right, everybody else is doing the job with me,
not formed, but with me. And that's why we were good.
That's what coach Coaughland preached. It was those little things,
sure like if you're too tired to go run down
the field and guess what, somebody else is going to
be in here.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And it was a tough transition with him, Oh, really tough.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
He came in and Foster was a you know, more
of a player's coach. Players liked him, but and Coffin
comes in and it's it's tough, right. It was the
high and tight. I will always look at you, oh
my god, and high and tight. It's just the two
words that that turned things.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And it's so simple.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, and he made you hold the football when you
get went home.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Right, you had when I was at home, when I
was doing the training test on the treadmill and we
were sitting in our mating rooms.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
It was NonStop.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But to watch that transform into and you blossom, you
know statistically, and you know the fumbling issue was not
a factor for the rest of your career.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
It was remarkable yeah, fifty nine and ten years fifty nine.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
You know a lot. We all learned how to carry
the football during that era. I mean because I'd read it.
It was in the paper, right, it was talked about him, like,
let me try that.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
The only time I became aware of it was you
remember Thomas George right right. He sat me down in
training camp, because in training camp I would just hang
out in the lunch rop. I wouldn't go back and sleep,
just sitting there eating a salad. He comes up and
saddles up next to me. He was like, Tike, you
got a fumbling problem. Like, what the hell you talking about?
I don't got a fumbling problem. He just pulled out
this sheet that had all these numbers on it. I
was like, wow, I do. But at that time I
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didn't know how.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
To fix it.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
It actually started to manifest itself in my head and
became like destructive because I was thinking about it all
the time and I didn't know what I was doing wrong.
And then this is why I come in Coach Kauughlin
and his staff, like they identified the problem, and then
you fix it. Once you become aware of it, it
becomes easy. But at that time I was like I want,
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I was in denial in a way.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It was nice to hear a sportswriter turn around here.
How George worked for the New York Times. Yes, yes,
but he was very close to the players and he
got stuff out of players, and it's good that he
reached you.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I want to bring up a name that's part of
this list. He comes in at number sixteen on this list.
You mentioned Amani Tumor, another guy that came in with
a chip on his shoulder because he wasn't a first
round pick. He was a second round pick. What was
he like as a teammate and he goes on to
become the giants all time leading receiver and catches yards touched.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I swear Bob.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
He always basket caught everything. Everything was in his basket
because he could put his elbows together. And it's why
he was good punt returner. He never muffed them because
the ball would come right into the basket and sit there.
And if you needed a big catch, you could trust
that the money was gonna make it. And he was reliable.
He was healthy. He was big and strong and powerful.
And I love being a teammate with him because you
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you knew what to expect every single time, and as
a as a player, that's that's all you want. Give
me the same thing every single day. And that was
the money.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And his footwork was incredible. The boundaries unbelieva. I mean,
Chris Carter was one of the best in that era,
but Amani was right up there. Catch he had in
the NFC Championship game in Green Bay at lambeau Field
was incredible and it was like the Broncos seemed to
be his coming out party. Remember they were undefeated, they're
defending Super Bowl champs. Kent Graham, you called it for
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the game, Kent Graham throws it to blitz On Giants,
get it.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
Graham throws keep down the right side looking for tumor.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Toutch down, but.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Touch in touchdown and the joints wint that undefeated Broncos.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
To make me famous.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And that seemed to breathe life into Amani's career because
he wound up beating the Broncos again with Eli you
played in that game. That was an emotional game as
mister Mara the last days of his life, so pretty impressive.
His kind of ties with the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah, money is is he doesn't get the credit he deserves.
I mean, it's it's baffles me when I rethink of
our joint careers. He played a year before me and
a year after me, or actually a couple of years
after me. He never made the Pro Bowl. And it
makes no sense because of how reliable and resilient and
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just dependable he was as a player. Like it's those
little things that get lost to the to the national
exposure of tea.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
You know, Amani played in an era where receivers became
so larger than life in the game too, the defense,
and there were big ego receivers right there were great
talented and Amani always he was very understated.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
He just it wasn't his personality.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
So he was quiet about himself and I think it
probably hurt him recognition wise. The other thing with Amani
is he he made a speech to his team before
the seven playoffs. He had been to the Super Bowl
in your teams two one, and he says to the players,
guys and is before the Super Bowl, Listen, I've been
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here before. You have to take advantage of this moment
because if you don't, it'll live with you for the
rest of your life. You will never live it down.
You just have to seize this moment. And it was
I remember writing about that and it was remarkable and
it really made an imprint on.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It, right.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I mean, that's that's important. I mean I remember having
this conversation with Strahan and it's near the end of
my care I ended up retiring the following year. It
was in the off season, and I was like, I
don't know if I'm going to get another shot because
I didn't know where the team was.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
We'd gone ten and six and then we were eight
and it was bad, like Eli's first year was bad.
Then we had a winning season and we had an
average season. It's like, I don't know if I'm going
to get another shot. And then ultimately I retired and
he's like, yeah, I don't know either, and he hung
on for one more year and he got another shot,
which is the year you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That whole thing. You get your chance. I can't imagine
my life if we wouldn't have won the Super Bowl.
I know would have been different. And you know I
can carry things pretty well, I'd still be angry about it,
you know, just it is amazing. I talked to guys
every now and then it had their chance and it didn't.
They didn't win, and I feel for them because I
think it is what you said. It's almost a burden
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to carry, you know, it just depends. But those kind
of sports, it's great. The highs are the super high.
But losing the Super Bowl, man, I don't know what
to say. It's like you said, you got to hope
you get one more chance.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
And help that.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
We got our butts kicks, so it was close.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It was yeah, no, I hear you. That was a
special team you played against.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
They were they were good.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
We're pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh two though that team, that team could have won
a super Bowl, THEO two team if not for the
right Niners meltdown. But we're not going to talk about
the negative here. You know, we've talked about a Moni
not being self promoting. Number eighteen on this list is
Mark Bavarro talking about not self promoting.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
No, yeah, man, a few words, you know, as I
always tell people, it was just a few words for
me too. But I always tell this story and it's
so true. I and I. It's it's hard to say
this because it comes off as braggame, but we created
the back shoulder throw. We created it. You and Mark Well.
Our team we had small receivers so beating people down
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the field. So we we were a tremendous back shoulder
team throwing. You know, I'll never forget. We're playing the
Steelers in a preseason game. We're watching the film of
the game and Parcels goes, why didn't you throw it
to Bavaro? I said, he's covered, and he goes, sims,
you don't understand when he's covered, he's open, And you know,
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I don't know. I knew. I guess I knew the
Bill Parcells language. And I go, he's right. So Mark
run down the field. If the guy was inside, high, low, whatever,
I knew where to throw it. And he you know,
of course he's got hands about this long, so he
was a great hand catcher. And I don't remember him
dropping those passes now, And we did it. I went
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to the Pro Bowl in eighty five and John Robinson
I put in some of those plays that I'm talking
about with Mark. Vady goes, I never understood that with
you guys, that is so dangerous, not if you do
it every day. And I did it in that game
and got the MVP. And I put the plays in,
which was awesome. But yeah, Mark was phenomenalon that way
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that I could throw it high behind him in front whatever.
He knew the adjustments and it really helped change my
life as a as a quarterback. And it perpetuated itself.
In nineteen eighty six, Remember we went down and scrimmaged
for days with the Atlanta Falcons. We had like a
team thing, and I threw like fifteen touchdowns in one
period because I was throwing back shoulders and they'd never
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seen them.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
You guys were innovators in a lot of ways in
because think of the small receiver in today's game.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I know we had small receivers too. They were
and you.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Know, I'm problem Bobby Johnson.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Bobby Johnson. Yeah, just great feet, both of them. Bobby Johnson,
he wasn't fast, but he's another one. He never dropped
the ball. Yeah, and Loan o'manuel had the greatest feet
maybe I've ever seen. His feet were so quick and
he could do everything with them. He turned you know,
corners around right and left all the time.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah. But I was saying it's unique because back then
you could you could kill wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, you could hit them. Yeah, I let them into
trouble a few times.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So they just going back to Mark though, as a teammate. Yeah,
he's legendary. He's on this list for a reason. Loved him.
What can you share about him that maybe people don't know?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, I think the play in San Francisco, which in
nineteen eighty six on the Monday night game, just explains
everything about him. His will, his determination, his talent.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Competed the Bavar down to the thirty five, showing to
speak to the thirty, down to the twenty five, down
at the twenty he's got four menut.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
In his back. He us down to the seventeen.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And you know Mark was big for a tight end
back then. You know his big frame, long arms, huge hands,
all that could block anybody, a great run blocker, just
he had all of it. And you know he was
just a great personality for the team. And it is
true he did not talk. He's a stone face, that Bavaro.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Now you know what the hell he's thinking, I ain't
have to fight that son.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Of a gun. Why was that great?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Just the aura around him? Oh, I see, you know
it was there, It was real and we knew every
game that he was going to be a big part
of us winning or losing with his blocking or care
the football. And he broke his jaw. One year, he
did not miss a game after he broke his jaw,
but none of us really knew because he didn't talk anyway,
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And it's true. And then you know, Larry is on
the plane after we won a road game. He's eating
baby food. You know, it was incredible his who could
play in today's world with a broken jar would let you?
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yeah, you're right, he wouldn't doctors, wouldn't smart.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
One probably toughest guys.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
The first year of training camp, first training camp, a
couple of weeks in, he got sick, he got dehydrated,
had to go to the hospital, had to get IVS.
Shows up in the afternoon before practice and Parcells says,
what are you doing here? He knew he could going
to hospital. I got practice and he practiced, and you.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Kind of knew.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I mean, this guy wanted it and he had the
will that was really hard to find.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, well, I can tell tell me stories about him.
I think it was nineteen eighty five. We're playing Houston,
the game is over, we're winning, We're gonna do. We're
gonna call a play. He goes. He never talked in
the huddle. He says, don't call that play, call this play.
And I said, well, why do you want that? He goes,
I want to hit this guy one more time. And
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that was like okay. So I changed the play, which
I never did in my whole career once, but I
did it for him. And because he wanted to fight.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
The guy right didn't work.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, they got in a fight.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I had to tell you, he has.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Like an aura about him. It's unbelievable image, like he
exists as this iconic tough man.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Well, the play on the field was everything. You know,
that play, like I said, I watched to play. It
almost makes me cry about he caught that pass over
the middle against the forty and just exemplify who he was,
the fact that he played with the broken jaw, which
we didn't even know, and he was just awesome. Our
offense centered around him, Our passing game centered around Mark Bavarro,
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and we all fed off on it, and we tried
to get in the ball as much as possible. And
you know, of course, hey, there were a few times
we were playing the Cincinnati Bengals in eighty five. He
I don't know how many passes he caught, but it
was a lot that day. And I actually saw him
kind of walk back to the huddle once with a
smile because even he knew this is like, it's a
tough game. We might not be winning. Damn I'm catching.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Then you throw for five.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, well, it's easy to do when you dig a
hole for your football team and try to get out.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I want to ask you about number seventeen on this list,
Carl Banks, two time Super Bowl champion, and you know,
drafted in eighty four in the first round, when your
roster wasn't begging for linebackers, you were loaded at linebacker,
and he and Bavarro obviously practicing against each other every day.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
They oh gosh, well talk about.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Those battles between Carl and Bavarro.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
It was unbelievable between Mark Bavarro, Andy Hedding, Carl Banks,
Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt. I mean, you know, Harry Carson,
Gary whatever. But I was like, oh my god, they
gotta come out to practice every day and do this
because it was a fight. The defense was mad because
they weren't getting enough playing time. But there was Mark.
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They would literally get in battles every day. And you know,
you talk about Carl Banks always brings this first thought
in my mind, what do you think that is? Why
is Carl Banks not in the Hall of Fame? And
you too, okay? And I don't say hey, no, no,
not me. I don't. I'm not being shy or humble.
You can say it, but I don't bring myself into
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that because I don't believe it. But you know, Carl,
just go back and watch the nineteen eighty six if
nothing else, just watch the playoff run. He was unbelievable.
He was the best player in the field, the best.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Watch Carl Banks fifty eight coming from the outside of
the I think towards the end of the season, he's
become one of the best players in the whole league.
You can't run at him. You say you want to
run away from Lawrence Taylor, that's good, but you have
to run into him. You're not going to run outside
to get this giant defense.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
He might have been the MVP if you didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Probably you're right, I mean, he was. He just had
such a great knack. And you know, I think even
now and I see Carl go Oh my god, you're
a big dude. And we had some big damn limpiers.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
I mean, I'd be scared to play in.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Everybody was six four and five and all of them,
most of them could really run, and they were mad
as hell too at the world. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I wouldn't have worried about them tackling me. It had
been blocking them. Oh yeah, that's the challenge.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, And Carl was great.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Because these guys were heavy. They just looked heavy.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
They bodied.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Anthony Junis paid him one of the greatest confidences of
all time. He said he was a Hall of Famer
Cincinnati Bengal left tie guess that he goes. The best
outside linebacker I ever played against, uh was Carl Banks,
because of his ability to handle the run, pass rush,
deal with tight end, everything.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Everything just to should because exemplify that point would be
John Madden, who loved Lawrence Taylor. Of course everybody did,
of course, and John loved talking about him, and rightly so.
But one day on a telecast, I happen to see
it the telecast and he says, boom, boom, Lawrence Taylor.
But right now, the best linebacker in the NFL in
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my opinion is Carl Banks.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
I think over the long run, Carl Banks is going
to be the best player in this Giant defense. Like
he's going to be there for a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I mean, he can do it all.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
I mean he can cover, he can run, he can tackle,
he can do everything.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
And you know that takes something to say because you're
saying it against Lawrence Taylor. And that was John Madden's
favorite player probably of all time, right, and Harry's on
the team, and Harry's in there too.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I think that was he was. It wasn't overshadowed.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
But you know, when you have those guys with him,
they're two Hall of Fame players that you know, you say, well,
his Bank's a product of that. No, he was not
a product of the players around him. He was a great,
great player in his own right.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Absolutely a great I know neither of these two guys
had any interaction with him. But number fifteen on this
list is Toughy LeMans played for the Giants in the
thirties and forties and was really a unique player because
not only was he a runner, but he was a passer.
He was in the first NFL draft nineteen thirty six,
was the first year of the draft and the Giants
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drafted him. He had you know, five thousand combined yards
of rushing and passing and was inducted into the Pro
Football Hall of Fame in nineteen seventy eight. And mister
Marra personally scouted him. He was like seventeen years old
and he was scouting him, and he convinced, you know,
his father to select Tuffy LeMans and the guy went
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on to have a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
The first player that Willington Maraw scouted.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Wow, right, yes, at seventeen.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well it was a bolt, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
He was either just at Fordham or was on his
way in.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
But yeah, yeah, and he saw Tuffy LeMans. He transferred
to George wahs Is Washington and he was a star
there and Wellington Merrow had had conviction on him when
he saw him. And you know, back then, you know,
you're playing in the single wing. So in his position,
he's he's running the ball, he's throwing the ball, he's
catching passes. So it's a very very I'd like to
see the single wing in today's game. There are some
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things that people could do with that, but you know,
you don't have that kind of player anymore that threw
touchdowns and ran for touchdown.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Back then, they were probably more important than the quarterback. Yeah,
as far as throwing the football too, which is really amazing.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
And you know the thing, the only one is probably
Taysom right Hill. Yeah, and he is like probably the
only one in Yeah, Taysom Hill.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And you know they had a Toughy Leman's Day at
the Polo Grounds December seventh, nineteen forty one.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Yeah, okay, so it's Toughy Leman's Day to get a program,
and there's an announcement.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Made during the game.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
A military officer was summoned downstairs to call his commanding officer,
Pearl Harbor. Had happened Wow during the game.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
And they stopped the game.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
They did not stop the game. They didn't really announce
that it happened.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
People you know, got word through radio and stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
But they probably couldn't understand the magnitude.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
No in real time, and all service for the games
that were played that day, all service, you know, military
age personnel were summoned to their assignments. So it was
and that's Toughy Leman's Day. So it was a kind
of a PostScript to unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Sorry, I'm glad to know that fact. Yeah, it is philis.
You know the name Tuffy LeMans. It's kind of hard
not to know it. Yeah, in Italian history, it's.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Let me ask you about let me ask you about
the two quarterbacks that come after you and y A.
Tittle at number twelve and Charlie Connery on this lest
you mentioned at the beginning of this used to have
catches with them because they'd be around. Mister Marra always
had former Giants players around, but as a quarterback, what
about their games that you know?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I mean, we know what Tittle did? Yeah, why Tittle?
The first thing I think about he was Johnny and
IIIs at the time. Is that a good example? Yeah,
I mean, you know, not that I can remember all
of it, but I've watched enough and whatever, and I
knew about why Tittle And of course he's famous for
what photo. Yes, and it is unbelievable. And now I
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know stories about him. Johnny Disigel, who was a trainer
for the Giants for many of my maybe my whole career.
I don't know when Johnny Diziegel left, but he'd always
tell me I'd have something going on. He goes, oh,
could be in a baby Like, I'm not a baby
what they talk about. I think I'm fairly tough in football.
He goes, why a he would have never done this,
and I go, oh, yeah, you're gonna tell me this story.
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He would go into a stall in the bathroom and
tape himself. Wow, because he didn't want any player to
see him being taped and all this, I'm going, God,
you know it was. It was unbelievable. But you know,
he was really kind of a modern day quarterback in
old age. You know, back then they ran in like
two formations and it was the same offense for every team,
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and it seemed like in the NFL. But you know,
he was a big guy, threw the ball well and
even when he was fifty some years old. Is when
we hit our catch huh and Pace University in training
camp and I went, damn, he can still throw it
pretty well too, And you know he was fascinated by
We talked a little bit about what I did as
a quarterback. Goes, that's unbelievable, you know, because it progressed
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somewhat not compared I said things. Now, some of these
guys are like, God, these offenses you run.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Y A.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
Tittle connects with Joe Walton to tie the record of
seven touchdown throws in the game. Hy A noted five
hundred and five yards as he tied the mark first
set by Sid Luckman. The Giants win forty nine to
thirty four.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know, think about y A. Tittle in nineteen sixty three,
he set an NFL record thirty six touchdown passes throw
on that season. It took until Dan Marino in eighty
four to break that record. When you think about the
quarterbacks that played in the seventies, whether it's Roger Starbuck,
Terry Bradshaw, Kenny Stabler, Dan Fouts, you know, you go
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through the whole list of him, it's a pretty impressive
record that he had.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Still the Drance record, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It still is? Oh he led it and beat it.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Or he got to thirty five a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Wow, it's remarkable.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Man, man's that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Especially in his passing league.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Now, well, yeah, in this day and age, you think,
I don't know, thirty six touchdowns, I don't care how
you look at a lot. So that was why and
Chuck and Charlie Connolly, you know, couldn't be a nicer guy,
kind of below the radar when he talked to you whatever,
because I just wish you could run a little faster and.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
That's not gonna happens.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
The Marlborough Man, by the way, Yeah, I know, the
Marlborough Man.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, but he was.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I don't think I knew that he's the Marlborough commercial.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I think he had one with his road up in
the sleeves, right, I.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Believe rolled up.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah smoke if you got him. But if you just
saw him, you'd go, yeah, he's the Marlborough.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I don't think a lot of people know this, but
he was played at Ole, miss And if you go
to Oxford, there's a huge Giants fan base, and Giant
games are shown in Oxford, Mississippi, really because of Charlie
Connolly and then of course Eli oh or both of
those being old Miss Rebels.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
Eleven year veteran Chuck Connolly does the quarterbacking and must
be righted as an all time great. On the Browns eighteen,
Connolly hands to Webster, who hands to Gifford. On the reverse,
Berry supplies the block. Frank laterals to Connorley it's touchdown. Giants.
Connolly drives uninspired team. He fakes once twice three times.
Ben fires a forty six yarder to Bob Schnelker. Charlie
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Connolly evades the Skins and loops a pastor Road in
the corner. Touchdown. They're making a great, big Connery day.
Chuck talks his third touchdown f Schnelker for thirty four yards.
Good old number forty two. The thirty eight year old
hero is honored, and here he is in person. On
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Connery's second chance with the ball, there's no baking Webster
in triplet block, different slices in front of all, but
in scores on a twenty eight yard shot. What a combo.
Charlie Connolly make sure of his passing championship with a
twenty six yard touchdown.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Throw the rote.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
Charlie Connolly chose his third touchdown pass of the amazing
routes Will grabs him and the Giants clinched the Eastern
title forty eight to seven.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Let's go to nineteen on this list. Ken Strong Hall
of Famer, and this is a guy that he scored
the critical touchdown in the original Sneakers game of nineteen
thirty four against the Chicago Bears in the NFL Championship.
He had four hundred and seventy nine points in his career.
He's a guy that kicked, ran the ball, did all
those different things. It's kind of cool when you think
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about it, isn't it what?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
It is cool to think about the game back then?
How you had to do everything. I mean they used
to say that cliche just to make a football team,
whether you were a first round probably not a first
round pick, a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, exception round pick.
The more you can do, yeah, the more you can
do keeps you around, you know, special teams.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Back then, and even even when I was grew up,
you did everything. In other words, you played every sport.
You know how many times I threw a football during
the off season in high school.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
And college boom.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I never went out, let's go out and throw and
run some routes. So that just never happened. We were
all playing baseball doing not some everybody and I can't
imagine even back then. That's why they were so well versed,
being all around athletes. You know, oh, you run the
ball well, you can throw well. I bet you can
kick too. You want to kick. Yeah, kick.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
You know, hey had four hundred and seventy nine points
in his career and when he retired, he had the
most points in Giant's history because he ran it, he kicked,
he did everything.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Remarkable.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
One more name from the past, and then I have
some more questions for you guys. Jimmy Patten comes in
at number twenty, and Jimmy Patten was as good as
it gets. Emlyintonell holds the franchise record for the most
interception return yardage twelve hundred.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Jimmy Patten is second, and he's still second in the
Giants all time list of interceptions. It's fifty two.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Fifty two year. What year was this? Emily Okay, Emilytonell.
So he was drafted by the Giants in nineteen fifty five,
was on the fifty six championship team.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
They didn't throw the ball a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
He was five time first team All Pro, once a
second team All Pro Pro Bowls, And you know, you
think about Jimmy Patten and Emmlintonell, and those guys were
literally Emlyintonell's nickname was Mister Offense. On defense, but Jimmy
Patten was just as potent offensively this team it was.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
That's a remarkable and you know, five time first team All.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Pro not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
That's like, okay, yeah, that's an oversight there. One second
team All Pro. And I believe fifty two is the
number of interceptions that Dion Sanders had.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Somewhere around there.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah you want to and he was playing twelve games back. Yeah,
hadn't even gotten fourteen.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, well, it is strange. You know why some people
are not in the Hall of Fame always ago They're
trying to keep the numbers down whatever, But I don't
understand that.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Yeah, it seems like a deserving player, Yeah, be in regardless.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yea, in nineteen fifty eighty had eleven picks.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I mean, yeah, that's those numbers. And I don't care
what age and what time and what do we think
about pro football or anything like that, but yeah, maybe someday.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Well is it twenty thousand players have been in the NFL,
I believe.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
And it's less than four hundred who were in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
It truly is this exclusive very I forget already. It
is hearts three eighty something and he was two classes ago,
so it's probably it's under under.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Four Hundredah, yeah, mister Marra. We talked about him as
a scout, talked about both of you were fortunate enough
in your careers to really get to know the man
when you first met him. What was it like for you?
Speaker 5 (41:17):
It felt intimidating when I first met met mister Marra
because he was quiet, and I mean until I came
out of my shell, I was quiet too, so it
was it was comfortable, but just there's a reverence around him.
He was so much about his family, and I feel
so fortunate because I got asked to go up to
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their home when he was on his deathbed. And I
walked into the into the and of the house and
Jeremy Shockey was leaving, and he said, they're all in there,
and I'm like, what do you mean. He's like every child,
every grand kid, They're all there. And before I left,
I got a chance to sit by his bedside and
I said to him, well in tonight, mister Marra, thank
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you for making me a giant. My life is what
it is because you gave me the opportunity. And I
got to say my piece with him. And it was
something I'll never ever forget. But the memories of him
coming to the practice with his little cane slash chair
is what I always remember.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
He just walked down.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
He'd go sit at the end of the field and
just watch. Yeah, just sit there and watch. He didn't
say anything, so it wasn't like he was yelling at
us or or judging us or anything, but you knew
he was watching. And the only time he ever spoke
to the team in mass at Us was right after
Jim Fossil decided that he was going to stay on
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for the season but he was essentially fired and Wellington
Era gets in front of the top, in front of
the room and says, basically, we gotta win. And some
of you guys aren't gonna be here. Look to your
right and look to your left. Two of you aren't
gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
And it was like wow, it was like you never
hurt him say anything. When he said something, it was powerful.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah. You know, I think about him all the time,
not only him, but the whole family, and it's just
amazing to see how his love and respect for the
game is. The whole family, I mean, the sons, the daughters,
they're so the daughters. I mean, man, they're into it too.
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But my thoughts are about this mister Merritt. You know
our relationship. You know probably what hurt It hurt me
a lot of times because I felt like I was
letting him down when it wasn't going well, we lost
the game or didn't play a certain way. And I
had such great respect for him. You know, back when
I was playing, he was still he'd come out, but
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he kept his eyes on the practice, but he would
walk around the field to get his exercise in. And
when he would come on the field though, I always
noticed it and go, okay, I got tightened up a
little bit here. You know, let's be careful what I
say and let's make sure I do the right thing.
So his presence without talking was tremendous, and I don't know,
I feel bad that I didn't show as much as
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much appreciation as I probably should as I was playing.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
I don't think he don't think we knew how Yeah, no,
I don't think we knew what to do.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I love shaking his hand after we won. Yeah, he'd
shake my hand after losses too, but I did. It
was just something I could see it right. He won
and I won't even say what teams if we beat.
He loved that handshake. It was you know, there was
a couple there. He took personal and it was real and.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Uh Dallas right.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
But you're right about the family, Phil like everybody in
the family. Oh you feel like an extension of him, Yes,
through all of his kids and his grandkids. I'm never
LeVar Arrington said this, who formiliars with Washington And he
came to the Giants and he's here for a year
or so. Then he tore his achilles and his career ended.
But I remember having this conversation with him. He said, Tek,
(44:58):
you know, the difference is between here in Washington. He said,
when you talk to somebody in Washington, they don't really care.
When you talk to somebody here, that person could be
the owner, right, or it's the extension of the owner.
The family is everywhere, and that's one of the things
I'm so grateful for is to get close to them,
in particular one of his grandkids, Tim McDonald, who is
here now.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
And I had so many interesting games in my career.
There's only one that I remember every moment of and
that was the game after Wellington passed away. We played
Washington at home, and it was one of my greatest games.
Two hundred plus yards and I scored a touchdown on
my last play of the game. And I took that
football and I ran it over to Timmy and I
gave it to him. I said, this is for you
(45:40):
and for your family and your grandfather. Thank you for
letting me be a giant. And we destroyed them that day.
But it was my last play of the game, and
I mean it was the only way I can honor him.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, it's a beautiful remembrance. Phil.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
In ninety two training camp, there was a rumor that
you were going to go be traded to San Diego,
was her Yeah, so willing to marry. He didn't talk
much to the press, but when he did he made news.
He marched into the press room, he says, excuse me,
I have something to say. I've seen in the papers
(46:13):
that Phil Simms might be on the move to be traded.
I'm gonna say this right now, right here, right now.
He is not being traded today, tomorrow, this month, this year,
or in the twentieth century.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Thank you, and he walked out.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
It was phenomenal to the point he did two walk offs.
He did that, and when Bavaro was released, he stormed
in and he was very angry, and he made it
very clear that that was not his decision, but as
the owner, he would allow his football people to handle.
I'll never forget that. I never saw mister Marra that
(46:50):
mad on that day with Bavar.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I can see why, you know, because you know, just
talking about Mark, all that he did and all he said,
sacrifice in his life and everything to be the player
that he was. And of course you can't do anything.
I can imagine if for an owner you just can't
show enough appreciation the players sometimes for what they do
and what they sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Gentlemen, this has been awesome. I appreciate your work as
part of being this thirteen member Blue Ribbon panel to
help us get to this point. Phil Tiki, awesome stuff.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Great to be a part of it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Make sure you continue to follow the Giants on all
their social media platforms as we continue our countdown to
number one and looking at the top one hundred Giants
in the history of the franchise. Thanks for joining us
for Giants Top one hundred Players presented by bud Light
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