Patriots Unfiltered 4/22: Draft Preview, Trade Scenarios, DeMario Douglas In-Studio

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Lots of pressure, having lots of pressure. Patriots Unfiltered here
on a Tuesday, just two days ahead of the draft,
and we're all by ourselves.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
This is a first.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
I know. This is like the real radio stations that decide, well,
it's vacation week, it's school vacation, so we're not going
to come even though it's a major, major sports news
week in New England. You got the playoffs going on
for the Celtics, you got the draft coming for the Patriots.
Everybody just decided I'm not going to work this week.
But but Evan and Paula here, we'll bring you to
the next couple hours for It's unfiltered. Not a whole lot.

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I don't think has really changed in terms of what
most people feel about the direction that we're gonna go.
But I did think there was some interesting stuff from
Adam Schefter on Monday.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
Yeah, sort of like a big catch.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
All draft notebook kind of thing with a lot of
tidbits in it, some interesting items in there, anything in
particular stick out to you.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Well, I always go back to remembering I think it
was last year that Bill Belichick was on one of
his draft paloozas at some point in his media tour,
and he just said that the twenty four to forty
eight hours before the draft is when the real information
starts to come out, you know, all the other stuff
is really kind of smoke. And then we get right

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before the draft and some of the reporting starts to
be more accurate to what is actually going to happen.
So I actually pay a ton of attention to what
comes out over the next couple of days. I would
agree because of that and a couple of the things
that stood out to me. Peter Schrager this morning on
ESPN Now on ESPN from NFL Network reported that the

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Browns and the Giants are both fielding trade calls for
the number two and number three pick, and he mentioned
three players that could possibly entice teams to trade up.
Hunter and Abdul Carter are obvious, but he also mentioned
Ashton Genty, which I find interesting for the Patriots because
it stands the reason if Paul, if there's three players

(03:33):
that teams are interested in, could the fourth overall pick
have some value and be for sale if a team
wants to come up and get Genty as well. So
maybe the Patriots do factor into that. Could they trade
up a spot to secure one of those other two guys? Possibly,
But I look at it more as maybe a team
might trade up to four forget.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
With you about genty because I think people have tied
him to Jacksonville a little bit at five. So if
you wanted to get in front of Jacksonville, obviously, who's
in front of Jacksonville at five? The Patriots at four?
I do, I do want to just let everybody know
Fred is just running a little bit late. He didn't
take the whole day off, so he'll be here and
until then, I'll try to hold down the fort and

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And who wouldn't want the opportunity to get left all
by ourselves on a radio show two days before that
the NFL Draft. I mean, that sounds like a great
opportunity to me.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
It does sounds great, and you have a lot of
great jobs in the stadium on game day. You can.
We talked last week on catch training to you he
was a hawker, you know, walking around. That's what that
show checks with waters and uh and you know whatever
peanuts or whatever else they have to sell, So you
never know, could get involved.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah. So I do think the Schreger thing, and you
just caught me up to speed on that just as
we were coming on the air. I do think there's
some interesting that this should be some interest in those
kinds of reports. I think Rabel said it last week
and is a week ago today his pre draft press
conference when he was asked about any movement, any calls,

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and he said it's a little early for that.

Speaker 6 (05:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
So now, as as Evan said, you're within that forty
eight hour window, I would expect things to sort of
start to perk up in terms of, you know, rumors
like that. And I would also think there's probably some
desperation on the part not maybe desperation is a strong word,
but some urgency on the part of Cleveland and the
Giants to sort of drum up interest in those those

(05:59):
two picks. Because because this hasn't been a year, a
typical year in my opinion with those picks have had
as much value as they've had in the past for
obvious reasons that we've talked about. But yeah, I would
imagine they're taking one last, you know, attempt to try
to see if they can drum up some more interest.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
Absolutely, and and fielding calls is obviously very different than
actually making a trade. You know, last year, I think
the Patriots, we saw it on on hard Knocks with
the Giants calling for the pick. They technically fielded calls
about the pick, but it was a quick we're good,
you know, we're gonna we're gonna stick and pick here.

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But it's always fascinating when the pick is not a quarterback,
like you know, you're not going to be taking a
quarterback at set number two or number three. Most likely
it's not. It's a non quarterback heavy draft, so it's
always interesting in terms of value what you can actually
get out of that pick. Now, obviously the further you

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move down, the more you might get better in a trade.
But you know, I go back to that Will Anderson
trade a couple of years ago with the Texans, but
the Texans moved up nine spots to make that trade happen. Now,
that's a significant amount of spots to move up if
you're only moving up a couple spots and it's not
for a quarterback, Like, how much value does that pick

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really have? Will probably ultimately decide whether or not any
of these teams move. But I looked at that report
again and I saw Genty's name in there, and I
think for the Patriots, that's almost the best case scenario,
is that some team is so infatuated with Ashton Genty.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
I think we've got a visitor. Oh it's Aaron Sulkin. No, Aaron,
who do you have with you?

Speaker 6 (07:41):
We can put him right in the middle here, all right.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
All right here? To Mario Douglas, I only call you
to Mario, do you know that I think I'm the
only one in the media that because I don't really
know you that well, I don't feel like we're on
a nickname basis.

Speaker 7 (07:53):
Now we can get there is nothing you know.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I know you don't know who I am because I
haven't been in the locker on the whole lot since
you've been on the team, even though I've been here
for a million years. But to Mario Douglas and a
very welcome guest here I was not a surprise guest. Yeah,
I didn't know. Well, they don't tell us. I wasn't prepared,
So so Evan was our I'm sure you know. Evan.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Hey, good to see it.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
So what brings you by today? I know that there's
a start of a sort of a a voluntary veteran
kind of mini camp going on. Is that the sort
of the phase that we're in with the oas right now?

Speaker 7 (08:28):
Me and a volunteer workouts?

Speaker 4 (08:31):
And what's that process been like?

Speaker 7 (08:32):
So it's been good.

Speaker 10 (08:33):
You know, we got most of the team here and
I feel like everybody bought in and Ma and the
coaches are doing a good job, you know, teaching us
the new stuff and you know, taking care of us.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
This is a new for you, I believe because the
first year coach and all that kind of stuff, so
you don't always see the voluntary mini camps. Is this
a little different for you this time around with with
coach Rabel being a first year coach at least here
in New England? And have you ever done of these before?
A voluntary mini camp?

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (09:02):
Yeah, I did last year.

Speaker 10 (09:04):
One last year, Yeah, I had one last year and
you know, because I had a new coach every year
since I've been here, so I mean I always been
here early.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
But you know, I feel like it's it's good work.

Speaker 10 (09:14):
You know, I'm getting to learn, we all getting to learn,
you know, to playbook early.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
So it's good Josh McDaniels back as the offensive coordinator.
And I think one of the things that we all
think about when we think of Josh as the slot
receiver in your position, in particular playing in the slot.
Have you have you watched any film of past Patriots offenses.
I know you've done that before a little bit, but

(09:39):
just knowing his success with players like yourself, you know,
Julian Edelman, Wes Welker, How exciting is that to have
an offensive coordinator that that can use you like that?

Speaker 7 (09:50):
Man, that's very exciting.

Speaker 10 (09:51):
Man. I was, you know, I was happy when I
heard his name, you know, him being the OC, and
it's gonna be a blessing, you know, to have him
as the OC.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
And I know what he does.

Speaker 10 (09:58):
I've seen what he does with I meant while I
was playing with you know, Jacobi and man, he.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
Just feel like he brings out that slot position.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Do you watch some of the obviously there's a lot
of guys that have had a lot of success, a
lot of production in that role. If you watch a
lot of those guys like Wes Welker and Julian Edelman
and Jroy Brown.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
Yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 10 (10:18):
As I you know, as soon as I came in,
you know, I feel like Bill made a clip for
me of all the top you know, they slots that
they had and I mean what they did good and
you know what they did bad, and you know what
they what they could fix. Well, they can't face them
a bit because they you know, they successful. But you
know he was just showing me, you know, the ropes
and how they became successful.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
I know it's a long way to the season, but
is there any sort of goals you have in mind
or areas that you want to improve on this offseason
to potentially take it to the next level.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (10:50):
I just want to push I say my room, push
my room to I feel like for us to compete,
the better one man is the better the next one
be as we compete.

Speaker 6 (10:59):
You know.

Speaker 10 (11:00):
So I want our room to be that that room
that brings the energy.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
So that's interesting. You talked about when you want to
push the room. Do you feel as a third year guy. Now,
coming into your third year, you feel a little bit
more comfortable maybe with leadership kind of role. And how
do you think that that might you might be able
to manifest that, like and you want to push the room?

Speaker 7 (11:21):
How so I just gotta step outside my box.

Speaker 10 (11:23):
You know, I'm the person at least by example, I
don't really you know, talk a lot, you know, but
you know, I feel like it's that time, you know,
get out my box and you know, just start to
put my foot down, like, Okay, this is not how
I supposed to go.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
This is how it supposed to go.

Speaker 10 (11:37):
And you know, if I feel like somebody's slacking and
I know their potential, I'm gonna push them.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
You know.

Speaker 10 (11:42):
We have we have a good room right now, and
we're definitely competing, you know, and I can see it
in the room.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
It's competition. I love it.

Speaker 10 (11:49):
So like I say, the best, the best, the top
man is the best, the next man gonna be.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
So you do have a new member in that room,
right Yeah, But obviously Stefan Diggs is newest.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
Him and Matt Wilson and I met Wilson.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, Mac Collins, but I just curious to your thoughts
of Steph. And you know, I don't know if you
knew him much before, you know, as a younger guy.
I don't know how much interaction you've had with him,
But what if your impression span of him and man.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
Uh, you can tell he's a super vet, good vet.

Speaker 10 (12:20):
And man, I when we used to my first year
playing the Bills against the Bills, that's when I first
met him, you know, and he was like, he was like, man,
I like a game, so uh, you know that first
game we played Bills was here. That was actually my
first game actually like breaking out as like that player.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
Like everybody like, oh man, this get the kid can play.

Speaker 10 (12:41):
And as I met that's when I met Steph you know,
on the field after the game and he was like, man,
keep balling. And then I feel like every time we
played Steph, man, I always ran into him and he
always gave me, you know, good advice. It's crazy that
we're on the same team now and now I get
that avice. I get that advice every day now.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
You know, might be good at because I think you
had a pretty strong game against Houston too, right, Yeah,
So when Steph is on the field, pop pops up.
That's how it works.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
It's true talking about that that Houston game, I was
Drake's first start and it feels like it's come a
long way since then. What have you observed of him
so far this offseason? I think there's been some maybe
from yourself at some of the events along the way,
that he's a little bit more. Uh, his leadership is
like starting to come out a little bit more here.

Speaker 10 (13:29):
And his confidence, you know, his confidence you know through
the roof, and I want to keep it there, you know,
and that's by all us doing our job to help him,
you know, make it easier for him. But he's becoming
a good leader and he's more vocal than ever, and
in the huddle is different. You know, when we first
got there, it was like super fast.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
He was like nervous.

Speaker 10 (13:49):
But now when he's in there, like he says it
with swagger now, and that's how you know, he has
that confidence. And when somebody plays with confidence, they play good.
And that's what we need out of him, and I
know we're gonna get that out of him.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
Was there anything that from his rookie season, you know
last year that you took him by surprise, took you
by surprise about Drake or something that you learned about
him just playing with him last year.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
Man, he plays with tough grit, you know. Man, I've
seen him get hit.

Speaker 10 (14:17):
One play he went out and I'm like, oh man,
he's out this game.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
I'm sick.

Speaker 10 (14:22):
I ain't gonna I was like, oh man, my boyott.
But then you know, he came back.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
That was a hit.

Speaker 10 (14:28):
Like we all like, oh man, he out for a
cussing for sure, and he came back on the sideline.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
I'm ready to go. I'm ready to play for my boys.
And that shows a lot.

Speaker 10 (14:36):
You know, that shows a lot that you know, he
got our back, so you know, we got to have
his back no matter what.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Really quick last question, what, uh you got any plans
for the draft on Thursday night? Or do you watch it?
Like how do you watch it? You all get together
or something like that.

Speaker 7 (14:51):
Now, yeah, sey'all.

Speaker 10 (14:53):
For the past these past years, I always had I
had a boy in there, so I have some people
in there, so I watched it.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
I watched it draft to see.

Speaker 10 (15:01):
My boys get drafted or you know, go to a team.
And I'm very supportive of the guys, you know, especially
from my hometown.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
You know, not allowed to support.

Speaker 10 (15:09):
But you know, I'm gonna be that support system from
my hometown for the guys that's that's making it to
the league as be.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
You see all those wide receivers, You're like, yeah, we don't.

Speaker 7 (15:18):
Need that guy, especially slot guys.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
We don't need anything over here. So I appreciate you
taking some time to come down. It's a busy time
for the for the organization. You guys are busy doing
your on field work and your strength and conditioning stuff.
Obviously they're getting prepared for the draft. But thanks for
stopping by. Don't be a stranger from any time here
to Mario Douglas. I can call them pop now because

(15:42):
I I feel like I know him a little bit.
I know him a little bit. And even bigger surprise,
Fred kersh ladies just coming coming in the side door.
So yeah, I didn't I wasn't made aware that having
against Yeah, I didn't know that Tomio was was coming

(16:02):
to join us, but he was great. I talked a
little bit about the the mini camp that's going on
right now, sort of the voluntary veteran mini camp that
is allowed for first time first year of coaches, and
so that process is going well. Talked a lot about
the slot stuff, you know, and with with Josh, I
think Evan asked him about you know, like sort of

(16:23):
that that role. And Josh's offense has been really good.
So he'll give you the reads. Read. So I got
I got the Patriots one out of the way off
the top, so yeah, good, you can do Toyota and
the Patriots one.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
What's the Patriots you.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Know, the one for you know, food and beverage and okay,
recruit recruiting.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Good.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
Yeah, I remember talking to to I'll be taking the
rest of the show off now. I think it might
have been his rookie year, but he talked about the
cut ups that he talked about with us just now
that they gave him of Edelman Welker obviously, I believe
Trey Brown might have been his position coach at the time.
So there's plenty of Troy Brown stuff on there. Dion Branch,

(17:04):
you know, all those players that had played in that
role in the past. So it's exciting to see him,
you know, with McDaniels and see what maybe they can
they can get out of that role again.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Great. Yeah, but we get a couple of days out
of the draft and I know that Fred, you've been
We don't have to get to it right now. Okay,
all right, I know Fred's been working on the back
of the envelope. I went up and I actually walked
in on the research this morning, this very morning, I
walked into Fred's office and he was hard at work
coming up with his back of the envelope. Guy.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
And I'm not done yet. Yeah, I've only I've done
about four positions.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Because you pulled a Paul in college and you waited
til the last minute. You're not ready, You're not prepared.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'm busy.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah. So Evan and I were talking about just the
draft in general and how it's starting to get to
that point where you're starting to hear well, the Giants
and the Browns are looking to, you know, move down,
and there are some teams that are required about moving up.
I think both Schefter and Albert Breer specifically cited Denver
as one of the very few teams, if not the

(18:04):
only team that has expressed interest in moving up.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
You know earlier this week, but now you're starting to
I think Evan talked about Peter Schrager had a report
that there's some interest on the Browns and the Giants
maybe being willing partners to move down, so we'll see
how that might impact potentially the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
So I was doing a little exercise driving in and
as you know, I have a long commute, so I
get to think a lot, and I know, and at
first it started like, why am I even thinking about this?
It didn't happen, so why waste time? But what you
just said, maybe make it a worthwhile exercise. And the
exercise is this, what if the Patriots had won that

(18:46):
I mean, had lost that last game of the season,
and they had the number one pick, and everything else
just moves down from there. Patriots, in my little exercise,
in that case, picked Travis Hunter. Okay, next up is
the same team that would be picking number one Tennessee.
They pick cam Ward and then I'm assuming the Giants,

(19:10):
who they would be third, now right, Cleveland would be third.
I'm assuming they pick Abdull Carter in this exercise that
I have. So now who's the fourth pick? And I'm
thinking through this exercise, you could find the person who
would want to move up into the Patriots slot for
that player, Like who who in everybody else's mind is

(19:33):
that fourth st we're picking camp Will Campbell because there's
a need there.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Right, And I understand what I'm saying. I understand your
exercise that you're doing, but I also think that you
you might be missing a step. If the Patriots had
the one, yeah, you could say, Tennessee would just sit
there and say, well, obviously they're not going to take
cam Ward, so I don't have to trade out.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Oh, somebody would trade.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Somebody else might be interested in trading up at one.
You're right, yeah, to get ahead of Tennessee to take
cam Ward.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
You're right, Tennessee to move.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
No one can can get ahead of Tennessee and take
camp Ward because, as Evan pointed out before you you
joined us, Tennessee certainly seems to be locked in at
this point. They're taking Ward at one, so they're not
really interested in trading. Even though my good everybody Mike
Boganzi has let everybody know that they're open to anything,
it certainly seems like they've locked in on camp Ward.

(20:23):
So that that's how it would change. Someone might want
to trade with the Patriots that flie down, and then
it would depend on whoever the fourth team is. It
totally depends on who that team is okay. So like
if it's jackson if it's Jacksonville, I don't know, they might,
they might not. I mean, I don't think to your point,
I don't think that a lot of teams would take
Will Campbell at four. The Patriots have a dramatic need
at less tame.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
So in my exercise, who do you think is the
player after Carter that most teams would want as really?

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yeah, I think just in this draft and the closer
that we get to the draft, I think you're here
more and more that there's three consensus blue chip talents
in this draft. He's one of them, and some teams
I think are trying not to reach on need at
the top of the draft. And if you're just gonna
pick the best player available in that spot, it would

(21:16):
probably be genty And maybe a team that's a little
bit more better equipped on the offensive line, feels like
they're in a better spot, would be willing to trade
up even now, you know, to fourth overall to.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Take going to be number five picked.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
I think, yeah, I think, yeah, I don't know. You know.
The one thing that always holds up for what Jacksonville though,
is is that they have an analytics guru.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
And totally new regime too, so you'll have a book
on them.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Yeah, but you know, Gladstone's a he's a Nert like
he's he's an analytics guy. So to take a running
back at that spot is probably not typically what you
would see them do.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
This is what you're supposed to say.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
But if I guess, actually, who is the best player
on the board for pretty much every team, if that
scenario were to play out, you know Ward, Travis Hunter,
Abdul Carter, the next best player is is Genty?

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, and what about Tyler Warren? I think he's probably
a top ten consensus guy. Yeah, probably is no one.
I think it's the eye of the beholder. It's a
flavor for all of these guys. I think you could
say Will Campbell, Ashton Genty, my guy, Jalen Walker, you
know ty Warren. I think some people like the other.

(22:33):
You know, Coloston Lovelin better than Tyler Warren, you know,
even as a tight end. But I think that you
could ask ten teams who the other you know that
the fourth player is, and you might get eight answers.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
So if we weren't picking fourth, and I think they're
gonna pick Campbell. I don't know, But who do you
think would be the fourth player? I mean, well, no,
I'm sorry. If we didn't pick Will Campbell, where do
you think Will Campbell would go?

Speaker 6 (23:01):
Yeah, it's a good question. I think there's a case
to be made that he would slide a little bit
if if the Patriots weren't in the position that they're in.
I think there certainly.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Would be a spot that he could go to the
Jets right the seven seven.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
The Jets, they have a left tackle. You know, they'd
be drafting him to pay the right side, I suppose,
or maybe even left guard.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Yeah, they might not be as disappointed if you had
to play guard.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Yeah, I could see that. You know, I could still
depending on what happens with Colton Miller and all that
in Vegas, Like maybe the Raiders would still take him.
But the Saints I think are another team. You know,
Telusi Fugalo is really a right tackle who they drafted
last year in the first round, so you know, he
goes back to his natural spot at right tackle. Campbell

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goes in at left tackle. But I think there's a
chance to your point, Fred, I think is what you're
getting at that if Campbell didn't go four because the
Patriots weren't at four. You could be looking at eight, nine,
ten for Campbell and we'll go.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Big a picture, Shidoas Sanders doesn't go three to the Giants,
there's a very good chance that he doesn't go in
the first round, right, Like, that's how much it can be. Now,
it's a little different for a quarterback because there's probably
only three options, right, You're going from from three is
one option, nine to the Saints is two option, and
then probably twenty one to the Steelers.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yeah, the Steelers seems three.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
But the Campbell example is a perfect example of after
Hunter and Carter, it's really what do you need? Right, yep,
because they're so all of them are so lumped together.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah, I mean, there's the point I'm trying to make
the whole draft is that the positional need, and I'd
also put positional value in there as well, is going
to determine a lot of these picks for teams Like there.
I don't think that you can sit here and say
definitively that Will Campbell is a worse player than Mason Graham,

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or Will Campbell is the worst player than Tyler Warren,
Like I think you can make cases for either one
of those guys. I think it's kind of a I agree.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
So they said that, you know, this is the first
draft that there hasn't been a first round trade.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, this is as late as it's the latest as
it's been gone. Every team is slated to pick in
their original spot.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
And I'm thinking if the trade, if there is a
trade and it doesn't happen among that first three picks,
there may not be a trade in this first round
because everything is just well, they's so lumped together. There's
no reason.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
That's one of those if we were doing this show,
say in you know Arizona or you know Denver, you'd
know the specific players that you're looking for and the
teams that are ahead of you that you might want
to get in front of. I don't know right now
who would be.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
But is there anyone that that that is that good
that you'd be willing to give up assets to get
in this draft?

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of smoke connecting Denver to
Colson Lovelin. John Payton calls out the joker position in
his offense, you know, the move tight end, and I
think that Dave put out there at least that they
have sort of an infatuation with Colson Loveland and they
could be interested in moving up in the draft to
make sure that they get Colson Loveland. But to Paul's point,

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I do bet. I bet there are teams that have
Loveland higher than Tyler Warren.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think Schefter had that, I wouldn't be in his
catcher all grab back. He had some interesting things, like
he he had one he I think he cited one
specific GM that does not even have a first round
grade for any of the quarterbacks. Yeah, correct, And then
there was another one that said that Sanders does not

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have a first round grade, but again that doesn't really matter.
Like I would, I would argue that there have probably
been a ton of quarterbacks chosen over the last ten
years that didn't have first round grades. Chosen in the
first round. You know, I'm not sure that all six
of those guys last year had first round grades. Maybe

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they did, but I wouldn't be surprised if bow Knicks
didn't have a first round grade. But he got taken
in the first round, and so far he looks like,
you know, perfectly fine picked. I think quarterbacks often get drafted,
you know, ahead of their value for obvious reasons. And
we'll see if that happens to Sanders or not.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
The other thing that I think Schefter had was one
decision maker said definitively that Ward would have been seven
last year. Yeah, behind all six of the of the
guys that got taken.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Yeah, I mean what does that say.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I mean, like, I don't think there's any chance that uh,
Cleveland is it's smoking mirror, is that they they're not
going to pick a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Cleveland's not going to take a quarter I mean the
first Tennessee, I don't know, it seems sounds like everything
is locked up at this point.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
But like, do they feel like cam Ward would be
the seventh quarterback last year?

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah? But you know, so, like I'm okay with that
as long as he's good. Like bow Knicks was the
sixth he played pretty well. Yeah, so just because you
fall behind other guys that were successful, I mean, the
only one that didn't get to play was McCarthy, right, right, Yeah,
the other five showed.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Promise, so Atlanta still, No, he didn't play a lot,
he didn't play.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
He only played the last month of the season. But
he but he looked like he knew what he was doing.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
Yeah, I would say that if you put cam warden
last year's draft, he's at least in the conversation with
the Pennix, McCarthy Knicks tier, Like you could rank.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Went ahead of Bonisis.

Speaker 6 (28:34):
Yeah, like rank them however you want to rank them
once you get into that tier, Like he's clearly not
in the Caleb Jaden Daniels, and Drake may tier. But
I still think he would have been in the conversation
with the rest of those guys in last year's draft. So, like,
what would he have been? Quarterback seven? Like to maybe
to some eyes he would have been right like to
some evaluators he would have been, but I think to

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others he probably would have been the fifth best quarterback
or maybe not over penn I think Pennix is probably
the one guy that would have been tough for him
to grade out higher.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Then, So again, you've said it before, it's it's not
a star draft, it's a starter draft. I said, it's
a blue collar draft. It's a let's just get to work,
you know, as I started looking into these players, I've
only done a handful of positions so far, there's depth.
There's depth that positions, especially edge.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
I mean, and to your point, I think because this
is this is probably two classes at least worth of
prospects coming out because of COVID. This is like sort
of the I think you can get. You can make
a case that the undrafted free agentcy even will have
There'll be some talent. There's a good mix of talent.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
We've been there for six years and then guys who
were too junior again.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
And that's why, like I've been teasing Evan a little
bit about the whole starters, Like I don't really care
if they're starters. I care if they deserve to be starters.
Like there's no doubt the Patriot going to draft guys.
I heard on one of my stations this morning. You know,
they're gonna they need to come away with three or
four starters, And I would just push back on that. No,

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they need to come away with three or four good
starters that you're gonna be able to do. You're gonna
want to give a second contract to that, You're gonna
want to have be the nucleus of your team moving forward.
You know, like this is I don't mean any disrespect,
but I'm going to put just names like of guys
who have started like last year, like daniel Aqualay and
Jilani Tavai. And you know that you know serviceable players,

(30:36):
hard working players, but you need to do better than
that they start by default, right, and that.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
You want somebody who they out.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Who is those two third round picks that the Patriots have,
you know, at at sixty nine and seventy seven, can
they find two guys that are like worthy of like
displacing the people they're going to replace theming like that,
but they're worth it. That would be a home run.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Yeah, I looked, there are one of six and there too.
I think the four.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Of those picks tored pick.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
I think all four of those picks have a lot
of value in a draft like this because there is
a lot of depth, to Friend's point, in this class
in general, and like this is a draft like nerds draft,
Like this is a draft that Day two is probably
the most important day of the draft to the Patriots.
Take at four overall, they're gonna get a good player,
you know, whether it's Campbell, whether it's gent D whoever

(31:26):
it is, They're gonna get a good player at four
over member according to memboo Jalen Walker.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know whoever, I'm surprised you want Membo.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
I want Campbell. You know I have Campbell graded higher.
But I hear the argument for Membo. You know, he's
got the requisite measurables. He's a great athlete, you know,
basically the same level of athlete in the combine as
Will Campbell was.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
But he's never played left tackle.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
He's never played left tackle. But there are examples of
guys that have never played left tackle in college.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Oh, I know there is. But don't you think that's
that's as much, if not a bigger risk then Will
Campbell's arm measurement.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
I would say, I would say it's similar.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
They can kind of cancel each other out.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
To me, well, but the other part of it is
they're going to need a right tackle too, Like Morgan
Moses is a stop day. He's thirty four years old.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I know.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
I know if if it were, if they thought that
Membo was that much better than Campbell, I could see
Evans argument and just say, well, he's a better player.
We're going to take him even if he plays right tackle.
And I got to patch it together for another year.
I'm going to have my right tackle of the future.
That's okay. But if Campbell is better than Membo, then
you take Campbell's a left tack.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
He's got a little bit of a higher ceiling. I think.
I think Campbell has a higher floor and is probably
a little bit more pro ready right now to step
in as a rookie h compared to Membo. But I
think Membo's is a length, his wings span, is athleticism,
like all of the requisite measurables that he brings to
the table probably give him a little bit of a

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higher ceiling at tackle.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Specifically, My plan B for this draft, Plan A is Campbell.
Plan B is believe it or not, Tyler Warren and
then try like hell to get back in their first
round and take somebody like Josh Connery.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
If you're gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
So I like your plan, and I think that the
thing that.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
I think that you know doesn't I think get talked
enough about is the lack of coaching that the offensive
line has had over the last few years on this team.
And I think that's gonna make a big, big difference.
I think it's gonna give a chance for Caleb Williams
to have a shot here.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
I believe that's Kayden Wallace.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Kden Wallace. Yeah, I'm mixing up the quarterback for the Bears.
But uh Like, I think that coaching has been lacking here.
And we've said it before. You don't need five studs
on the offensive line if they're well coached.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
And I think the environment.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Here over the last few years was terrible. I think
the coaching was subpar, and I think that's really hurt
the offensive line. I think hopefully that will be corrected
this year with Doug Marone and whether it's Will Campbell
or Josh Connery, they're gonna get good coaching and that's
going to give them a shot to be good players.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
I think it's a fair argument. I think that the
two things. I like, why not Genty at that point?
Like I would just take I would just take Genty
over Tyler Warren. But second to that, you know they
tried this last year trying to trade back up into
the first round to you need a partner to get
the run at tackle or receiver. You know there's reports

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out there that was it was both. You know, one
some people say it was for a tackle, some people
say it was for a receiver, but they were targeting
a position to move up to do this last year,
and at the end of the day they couldn't get
the trade done, right, So you run that risk, you do.
But I think between Connory, Urcery and Simmons, you know,
there are three viable tackle options in that twenty to

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forty range that you could probably get your hand.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
But he may not be able to play right away.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Right yeah, and he probably won't be cleared until August
for football, So you know, that's that's tough for a rookie.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
I think we're talking mid season before you see Josh
Simmons at best, you know, because once he's cleared, then
he's got to ramp it back up and he's got
to get in football shape and get coached.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
And get nice that we can talk to Fred about
these guys now because he's done his research, he's got
the back of the end a little bit.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
A little bit, I can tell that that he likes himself.
From Tyler Warren, he's mentioned him.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well, I just think I'm just looking at needs on
this team and impact and I think, uh, he could
make an immediate impact. You know, I'm not saying he
could be Bowers from the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Not that kind of player. Yeah, different kind, But.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I think he can make an immediate impact on this offense.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Yeah, he definitely could. I think that The questions that
I've had with Tyler Warren the whole time are like,
what is his what is his carrying trade? Like, what
is his elite carrying trade. He's good at a lot
of different.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
It's just a football player.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
He's he's I would even say great at some of them.
You know, he's a really good blocker. He's a really
physical receiver down the field and at the catch point.
You know, he's got some versatility certainly, you know, to
move around the formation and play from different spots. Even
played wildcat quarterback yep, some at Penn State.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
But with a football players, but what is the.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
One thing that you look at and you say wow.
You know with gent D there's an obvious one. You know,
his his contact balance and his ability to break tackles
is just next level like with with Warren, and I
just worry about the jack of all trades, master of
none thing a little bit.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Did you watch any They had a like a draft
special kind of thing on on genty over the weekend
on ESPN. Do you watch any of the high school islines.
I'm sure this one particular broken tackle. It's not even
just that, like you know, the production, but like he
gets you know, when you get like your legs sort
of chopped out from under you and like you just
go down like a ton of bricks. So he got

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hit it and got knocked off his legs. But as
he was doing it, he spun and he was able
to contort his body all the way around and he
stayed on his feet. He put the hand down and
he remained on his feet despite the tackler really knocking
his pins right out from under him. It was like,
to your point about his ability to break tackles and

(37:20):
play through contact, it wasn't. I mean, I know it
was high school and he was obviously so much better
than the guys he's playing against, but he did play
high school football in Texas.

Speaker 6 (37:28):
He's also doing it against Oregon and Penn State also,
so it's not like it's just those teams. Yeah, he
had more yards after contact than any other.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Running receiver in the I mean, next leading rusher in there.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
Had totally rushing yards. Yeah, he had it more after
contact than anybody else.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Yep, it was over seventeen hundred and the next leading
rusher was sixteen hundred.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Yeah, nineteen total. Yeah, So if he's gonna if you're
ruling out the tackles, if you're taking Campbell and Membo
out of it, and you're forgetting about position to need,
I just don't know how you don't make the case.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
You could make a strong argument that the next best
player after Carter and Hunter is Genty. Now I would
not necessarily want to draft him. I would go Jalen Walker,
but I can make an argument for Warren, I can
make an argument for Genty certainly all those guys. And
that's what I think. The intrigue of this draft starts
with the Patriots, because I think people are pretty confident

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that the top three picks are going to go in
some order Ward, Hunter, Catter. But what happens next, I
think a lot of people could have different opinions.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I mean, if Genty ends up on the Patriots, I'm
not going to be complaining's you know.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
And I have like a you know, I'm sort of
I'm tight cast and rightly so as the running backist,
like I'm sort of anti running, but I do feel
for them, like I've heard a lot of people say
Patriots can't take him, like they don't have the offensive line,
They're not in the situation. That's like a cherry on
the Sunday kind of a pick, you know, like Saquon

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Barkley to Philly puts them over the top. Well, that's great,
But then I hear people say stuff like, well, if
I have all those other things, what do I need
the running back with the fourth overall pick for right? Like,
it's never the running backs time, I like, I do
I feel bad for the position?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Were always locks for the first round back in the day.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's an interest.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
They're kind of in the middle because like the teams
that have taken running backs in the recent pass in the
top ten, the Giants was Saquan the Panthers with McCaffrey,
neither one of those teams had a Drake may Right.
So it's not apples to apples because when the Giants
drafted mccar drafted Barkley, they had a thirty seven year
old Eli Manning, Like, it's not Drake may Right. You know.

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When the Panthers drafted uh McCaffrey, they had Cam. At
the end of Cam's run in Carolina. So there the
Patriots at least have Drake may to elevate that that
ceiling of the offense. But it's also not the Detroit
Lions taking Jamir Gibbs, because the Lions already had Penny Sewell,
and they already had Jared Goff, and they already had
Aman Ross Saint Brown, and they already had had Aiden

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Hutchinson on defense, like they already had other blue chip
players on their roster that was already ascending at that point.
So Gibbs was the cherry on top to the Sunday
in Detroit. So the Patriots are kind of like right
in the middle. They have a young quarterback that's more
promising than some of the other teams that have done it,
but they're not quite the finished product that the Detroit
Lions were. So it's a tough spot to be in.

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I think to take gent and make it work. You know,
they're not quite there, but you could see a path
if they can do what Fred was talking about of
trading back up and getting that tackle just.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Being a selfish I think that might be the pick
I would make, like for our purposes, like to talk
about to write about for excitement. You know, faned excitement,
like I hope get a stud running.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
I hope in the early days of training camp when
it's just you know, helmets and shorts, that he practices
without a shirt on.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Okay, Mike, I think that would be fun.

Speaker 6 (40:56):
I do wonder about you know, I went back and
watched some of his twenty twenty three As everybody says
he was a much better receiver in twenty twenty three.
You got to watch the pass catching tape from the
season before they used him more in that vein. He's
still averaged negative air yards per target in twenty twenty
three because they're throwing him screens, right. You know, he's
five foot eight, so like he's not like when I

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hear the Ladanian Thomlins in comparisons, like la Danian Thomlinson
was a downfield receiving threat, like he could run routes
outside the backfield, down the field. I don't think you're
gonna get that out of gent.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
So I have a this is a total aside, just
this Patriot centric now, you know, because that's I would
say most Patriots fans, media guys have put pass catching
back is a significant need. You know, it's something that's
probably gonna get addressed, maybe maybe late day two, but
if not in day three. Josh wrote that, right, why

(41:53):
is Antonio Gibson not an option for that? This is
a guy who was a college wide receiver. Why is
he not an option to be Josh McDaniel's past past
catching back.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
It's a great question. I don't know. I've asked that
question a million times too about about Gibson. That's what
he's touted as. It's like, to your point, he was
a college receiver.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
That's what he was in Washington. That's literally what he is.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
I don't know. I think maybe they're looking for somebody
that can do a little bit more of both of
volume on early downs and catch the ball out of
the backfield more to push Stevenson.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
I would think, yeah, I just I just, you know,
I was the more I've been thinking about it, because
I hear a lot of people talk about Trevor etn.
You know, he was talking to Mike Reese, my good
buddy yesterday, you know, and Mike brought him up as
a guy that would make some sense, and I agree,
he's That's what he was at Georgia. He's a good
versatile back that can get out of the backfield catch

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the ball in that traditional style. I just why is
no one really talking about Gibson as an option in
that regard? Just sort of came to me. Yeah, I
don't know, And I'm not saying you can't have Gibson
and you know, just like you can and have Shane
Vereen and James White. You know, once upon a time,
you know, you had those kinds of guys.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I mean, I'm hoping for a couple of things with
this offense. One that Drake is that much better because
it's the second year.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
And all the biggest one.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
And again Josh makes them that much better because I'm
not I had no problem with AVP, but I think
Josh is a better coordinator. And I think those two
things elevate the guys that we had last year to
be to be better. And so maybe this year a
guy like Gibson does show you that, you know, I don't.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
I think he showed me it last year. Yeah, Like
that's not enough though, well, because their offense stunck exactly,
but not because of him. He didn't have the ability
to be a pass catching back.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
That's my point. That's my point.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
But I think he does. He was the offense just
because they couldn't block.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, he was squashed in that offense. He didn't have
you know, he wasn't given the opportunity to show off.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
What he kept better. I just I guess I agree
with everything you're saying. I think the biggest key would
be you need Rake May to make the year or
two jump. But the problems with the offense last year,
to me, started in Like you can say I like
dalex Van Pelt, I didn't like him.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I didn't like to play problem years ago.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
It was all about.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Their inability to block anybody. And if that's the case
this year again, I don't care what Josh McDaniels does,
it's not going to be that much better.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Well, I you know, I add Doug Maron into that mix.
As I started the show.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
I'm saying, if they can't block anybody, I don't care
who's coaching.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I know, well no, but I'm hoping the coaching helps that.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah, it just block for him.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
You have a tough time getting there with the improvement
on the offensive line without a real investment at left tackle.
Like if they come out of this draft with one
of those left tackles, even at the top of the
second rounding and Nursery Connorley, someone like that, I would feel, Okay,
they have a young guy in a pipeline. And if
you tell me that.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Whoever they come out with, like you said, well, that's
a vast improvement over last year, Like Ursery would be
an improvement over Vederian Loan. Yeah, Demontre Jacobs, you know.
And so now you have Morgan Moses and Ursery or
Connery or Campbell, that should be an upgrade. So like

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whether the coaching is better or not, you have better
players blocking sure you should be better because of that.
And now you have to hope Drake may has made
the progression. And you know, we just had to Mario
Douglas in here. Maybe he does that. Josh McDaniel's thing.
This is where I would put coaching into it, because
I think that the system that Josh wants to run
is going to accentuate that maybe he turns out to be,

(45:33):
you know, more of a volume kind of guy. And
then you know, this gets us to something else that
we I don't know if you caught this. Evan and
I talked about this off air a little bit. That
whole Adam schefter grab bag of the draft bunch of tidbits.
He had some young players around the league that could
be on the trading block, and he had some veterans
around the league that could be on the trading block.

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As an example for a veteran, right, he had Kashawan
Boody as a young guy that might be expendable for
the Patriots, which tells me that there's probably some smoke
where there's fire there. Evanth and I kind of agree
that it's a little too quick if that's the case,
if they're looking to move on from him. Now. Now,
I don't know what's going to happen Thursday, Friday, you know,

(46:15):
more likely Friday might change my mind. But why would
he be the do you think the first one?

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Well, if Booty's the guy that gets you the asset
that allows you to move back up into the first round, then.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yeah, well okay, like let's what what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Well, like, what if you can get a third for Booty?
You can't, Okay, then I think it's too fast. But
that's let's just say it's too quick.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
But let's just operate under the premise, and you know what,
let me stop being so snarky, let's operate under the
assumption that you're getting a Day three pick swap for
Kayshawn boot Like. I don't think they have a wide
receiver that they could deal that could get you with
third round pick. I don't think they have one, So
let's just let's just make that assumption.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Then don't too fast.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah Like, And that was what Evan and I were
kind of saying, not that he I don't think either
one of us is in love with Kaishawan Booty, but yeah,
me played last year. He made some plays. I think Evan,
you put it like, oh, Iven, if you stick him
on the outside and just have him run go routes
every once in a while, you got behind everybody.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Don't you think that's why he ended up in the
grab bag? Is because other teams are like, he's not
that bad.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
No, I think the Patriots are looking to move on
for him. That's how you end up in the grab bag.
But why, I don't.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Could be a little bit of both, But I think
it's more he got a little attractive, and he's the
guy that the Patriots might be able to get something for.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Maybe maybe they'll trade a fifth round pick for a
seventh round pick and move, like Evan said, can you
get another fifth round pick out of it? So they
have one seventy one right now in the fifth round.
Can you get another fifth round pick but one seventy
one they have? Yeah, yeah, maybe you can get another one.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
What I wonder with Booty is just he's had some
hiccups along the way here, and is he he just
not a program guy? And are we doing that whole
thing with Kaishaan Booty where they just don't feel like
they're going to be able to get him to buy
into the vrable program.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Maybe maybe it's as simple as that.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
I just look at what he did last year. It
wasn't anything eye popping, but he had six hundred yards
last year. That's six hundred more yards than the two
rookies had last year. So like, why why would kai
Shan Boody be the odd man out of him, Polk
and Baker Unless it's just simply because he has more
value than those two guys, and you're really buying low,

(48:37):
you know, selling you know low on those other two.
That would be the m I just don't really see that,
you know, he's.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Selling about as high on Booty as you probably going
to get and the other two guys have no value
at all because they did nothing his rookies, right.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
But I look at the way that too. Josh McDaniels
has typically used the outside receiver, you know, take Randy
Moss out of it, and maybe Brandon Cooks for a year, right,
you know, Brandon Lafel. You know those types of players
like Booty can do that. Like Booty can run go
routes on the outside and get behind Derek Stingley for

(49:13):
fifty yard touchdown once a game, right, Like, he can
do those types of things. And if you're not going
to run the offense through the X receiver, through the
outside receiver and that's not going to be the volume
role in your offense, I think that he can be
the viable third guy in that pecking order. You know,
if it's Stefon Diggs and Pop Douglas and Booty, or
it's Stefon Diggs and a draft pick and Booty. Like

(49:36):
I feel comfortable with Booty being a low volume outside
receiver and what we know as the traditional McDaniel's offense.
So unless it's for a great value, I'm not ready
to drive Keayshan Boody to the airport just yet, Like
I think that he has a role that you can
envision on this team as a decent X like.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
I do agree with us or I do. Yeah, I
just thought it was odd, you know, like even if
you were gonna say, okay, well, the rookies deserve another
year to see or at least an off season to
see if they've matured, and you know whatever, Pop wouldn't
wouldn't like Born be the guy to go.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
But because Kaishan BOUDI you could make an argument that
year three, he's an descending player. Kendrick Bourne, to me,
is what he is.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
No.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
I know, at this point in his career, he's not
going to get much better or worse.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
That's why he might be the guy that's more attractive
to other teams.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
I just don't think that that guy. Again, you're getting
a Day three pick. He's a sixth round pick. You're
getting a Day three pick for him.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
I think that's the only argument, though, is that he
has the most trade value out of anybody in that room,
right because he's a young, descending player.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
But he might but I don't think but I think
he probably does. I think Fred's right he probably does
have the most, but it's like, you know, Will Campbell
is the fourth pick in this draft. You know, it's
it's a bar he has the most, but I don't
think he has much value. He I would agree with
Fred that he probably has the most value out of

(51:10):
those guys.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Yeah, I get. I just look at him as different,
Like they don't have a ton of outside receivers, like
true outside receivers, you know, Kendrick Bourne, Jalen Polk, Stefan Diggs,
Pop Douglas, Like those guys are all kind of redundant
to one another. And Digs is certainly not coming off
the field once he's ready to go. So it's Born,

(51:32):
it's Polk, It's you know, those are the guys that
I personally, if you're gonna move somebody, I feel like
those are the guys that you would probably move, but
they probably have the least amount of value.

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Speaker 7 (53:36):
What's up, everybody?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Welcome back to the Patriots Unfiltered Extras Matist Baalmanoux Francisco
and Chris Cassidy, where we read leftover emails that you
guys are sent in from the previous show. So, guys,
we've some good stuff here on the show before we
had Hunter Henry so here, So we'll start. We'll start
with an email directly to Hunter Henry. Okay, I'm nice
from Anthony Hunter Henry, big fan. I just want to

(53:57):
say how thankful I am for you. You brought a lot
of joy these past couple of years and have been
one of the few great bright spots. Thank you for
always showing up and you are the next jersey I.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Get related that message.

Speaker 7 (54:11):
Yeah, No, he was great on the shows.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Good We can get the players.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
You know, he's been great the last couple of years.

Speaker 12 (54:16):
I mean he really has been one of the main
bright spots this season, like or not this season, but
all yes, sorry, really really dynamic player. He really throw
the ball to any point, he's gonna make it play.
And that's what you need.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
There's a there is a point if you're like on
the content team and you're in the end zone, within
like a ten yard, there.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Was a good chance Hunter Henry's gonna catch the ball.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Yes, and you were just tracking Hunters just where he
ended up. Getting your phone.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Ready, just stay within the whole time, all right. Subject
title discuss amongst yourselves Game of Thrones, Starbucks coffee cut
Darren from Saint Stephen.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
So I walked into Thursday Shows late. I was at
a community event and I walk in and they're literally
talking about Game of and I was like, I don't
know how we got here, but I'm glad we're here.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I was ready to go.

Speaker 12 (55:04):
The theme of the show was just show ending, and
they started talking about Came of Thrones in bulk.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Yeah, specifically they want us talk about the Starbucks. I
assume that ended up in the show in the fire accident.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
By accident in Middle Ages. There's a Starbucks coming.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Maybe there was a Starbucks there, there was not a Starbucks.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
You say that there was not a Starbucks in King's
Landing to this just kind of goes back to what
we all touched on on the show was that this
last two seasons or whatever it was, got rushed because
the show runners were really trying to get a move
on so that they could go do Star Wars, which
they got fired from Star Wars anyway, so it was

(55:46):
all for nothing, and it just like that's what I'm
talking about, like the level of just not caring that
they had with this show that, like, I can't remember
a show that just like Times stopped when Game of
Thrones on, it was the biggest cultural phenomenon of the
twenty whenever it ran into Yeah, obviously it spanned from

(56:10):
the tents and twenties.

Speaker 12 (56:13):
I mean the show itself was amazing. I am not
a season ending eight. I don't think it was that bad.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
It was people on it. I think people think it
ended correctly.

Speaker 12 (56:25):
Literally, I think it ended correctly like the show the
show needed to end with friend.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I think the big thing is that they did a
table read and I forget the character's name.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
He threw the script and discussed did the table reading.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
I didn't realize that, but I mean it just goes
back to.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
It got rushed George R.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Martin. He didn't get I'm not going to say fat
and he was no longer motivated to write the books.
And when you get ahead of the books, like there's
so much world building that it was inconsistent and.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Now we got dire Wolves recreating before he finished the book.
But let's get to the next email, because there's there's
some more Game of Thrones in here. Email from Ryan
from Watertown High Patriots Unfiltered Gang. I'm a big fan Patriots,
Fanson's birth and PU fans is the Dark Ages, post
Brady era. Love what you guys do, and especially love
with all you bring a different perspective to the game

(57:24):
and the team. My quick Game of Thrones take is
that from season one to season eight, episode three of
the show is incredible. Season eight, episodes four and six
were some of the worst three episodes of television and
human history, and the writers should have to take a
ten year hiatus from the entertainment industry just to think
about how they let us down.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
I agree with them that I've got a question for you, guys.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I'm gonna list some wide receivers that could potentially be
on our roster, and I want to hear from each
of you who makes your ideal twenty six to twenty
five to twenty six six man wide receiver room. Considering
Digs and mac Collins are locks. Here are the list
picks I list below. Current Patriots Pop Douglas, Kendrick bourd
jay In Polk, Kaysehan Boody, Javon Baker. Potential free agents

(58:03):
are Tyler Lockett on a one year team friendly deal,
Elijah Moore three years, eleven million, and then potential draft
picks are Travis Hunter, Ted McMillan, Agbuka, Jayden Higgins, and
Trey Harris. I think it's safe to say the wide
receiver room is still wide open and any of these
guys could be in the mix.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Can't wait to hear your thoughts. Thanks, guys, just.

Speaker 12 (58:21):
I'll jump right into it. I guess I would say
with Diggs and Hollins being locked, yep, in that sense,
if Hunters available, if Buk is available, if they take
one of those first or second rounders type of guys.
I think that is when they will become locks. And
if that happens, you have to look at the guys. Yeah,
three and up is a lock in my opinion, I think.

(58:44):
I mean Booty is a Locke. I think Pop's a lock.
I think Polk is a lock. Ye, So that's three
right there. You have like the fringe guys are.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Bigger and you reach six.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
Yeah, I think the fringe guys are Baker and KB.

Speaker 7 (58:57):
I agree. I love Tyler Lockett.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I think he's a little on the older side, but
I think we got our vets with Hollins and Diggs.
Elijah Moore, I mean he was a high draft pick,
hasn't really hit his stride. I think I don't really
see it there. So I think what you listen is
spot on.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Yeah, I like it too, It's just I go about it. Okay,
is it my pipe dream list with Hunter even available
for us? Or do I play it more realistically? Going
more realistically, I think that's a scenario where Kendrick Bourne
is maybe still around, because how do you get Hunter.
It's just it just it seems like further and further

(59:37):
of a possibility of each passing day.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I think also like some of the guys we listed
could maybe be a trade candidate because I think Kendrick
barn stills a lot to give, So.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
You know, for sure, Booty, I do too, and that's
why I'm not necessarily willing to turn the page. Whereas,
like I know that, I feel like a lot of
people feel like Polk is a lock, but like me, personally,
I just haven't seen a ton out of him, and
I know that only going to be a second year, but.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
I think that's that's I think the only logic behind it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I think I think you'll find out some stuff pretty
quickly within the first two weeks of camp.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Yeah, honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
But all right, guys, thank you for being on the
PU extras. Be sure to send in more emails to
podcasts at Patriots dot com because if they don't get
rid of the show, we'll read them on the halftime show.
So let's get back to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
History. So I do the thing where you see somebody
in their car they're about to leave, so you pull over,
put your signal line and just sit there. So this
guy in a big tesla comes up right in front
of me, starts giving me the hands like what what
I'm like? You know, mostly go around, go around. You know,
He's like, you wouldn't do it, wouldn't go around. Finally,
you know, he decides, oh, I'll go around. So he

(01:00:49):
goes around, but then he decides to do a pull
up roll down. He pulls up next to me. He
pulls the pull up, pull up, roll down and pulls
down the window. So he starts talk to me, and
I just say, keep driving.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Just like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
You have the kids in the backseat. I don't care,
but I just say keep He goes. We'll talk later.
I know we won't, you know, by end of day.
That was it. That's another great moment from all Right,
Fun and Fun and parking lots. I was so annoyed

(01:01:25):
at that person pull up, rolled down. All right, we're
talking draft. We're gonna take some calls, emails. I know
everyone's been patiently waiting to get there two cents in,
So let's start with Patty and agawam, what's up Patty?
I guess he's not there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
These people have been holding on a long time. I
don't blame him. Dave in Florida what's up, Dave, David
and Florida. He's gone all right? Christian in La everyone's
favorite call table. What's Christian.

Speaker 13 (01:02:04):
Call from?

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Might be the volume?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah, it could be, but anyway, David and Bethlehem rites
into podcast at Patriots dot Com. He says Paul and
Evan are glibally underestimating the difficulty of switching from right
tackle to left tackle. Most fail try shaving left handed.
Fred Astaire was a great dancer. Ginger Rogers did everything
he did backwards and wearing heels. Likely Membo has never

(01:02:28):
played left tackle because he can't do what you do well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
I just want to emphatically state that I have no
interest in drafting Membo and moving him to left tackle.
I would draft Membo as the right tackle at four.
I said, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying if
I were to, like Evan had him in his mock draft,
if I thought that Membo was better than Campbell, so
I want to take the better player, I would take him,
and he'd be my right tackle of the future. Because

(01:02:56):
Morgan Moses is thirty four years old.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
My thing with tackles is a lot the same with
defensive backs. If you're a tackle and you can play
left tackle, you play left tackle. If you're a defensive
back and your play corner, you play corner.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
I can't argue with that, see what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
I never said it was easy or like that it
was a shoeing that he could do it. So I
don't know where that's coming from. I never said that,
But there I can see the argument for it. Like
if he if they draft him and they play him
at left tackle as a rookie, and it goes great,
then great, you have your left tackle. If it goes
poorly or not not so great, then.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
You guys have to right You guys have done it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
So it's just a case for it. I'm not saying.
This is why I would say.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
You know, and again, if you could play left tackle,
you tried to make the switch, and he could do it, fine,
But I'm okay if he can't, because I need a
right tackle too, right. That's that was my point. But
there's a there's a list of guys that played one
side of the Joe Walt played left tackle throughout his
college career. You played right tackle last year for the

(01:03:58):
Chargers at an all pro level.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah, so, I think, But that's like going from corner
to safety. That happens a lot. No, rarely you go
in safety to corner.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
No, no, no, But I'm saying tackles switch sides. Most can't
do it. Some can't, I know. Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
I think it's easy left to right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
There's not any easier than left right. I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
It's it's. It might be considered an easier, like a
less important position. I think it's, but it's still everything
is backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
It is, it is, But the mistakes aren't his glaring.
I think it's a little easier to transition from left
to right.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
Yeah. I mean there's a couple of guys that have
done it from I'm getting my right and left confused
from right to left. Tristan WARF's is probably the ones
and most recent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
There's always exceptional Tyron.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Smith Fred's guy did it too. He played right tackle
at USC and then went and actually played right tackle
to start in Dallas for a little bit, and then
eventually went to left, just like Worfs. Wof Worfs played
three full years at right tackle for Tampa Bay, and
then his fourth season they chained him to left tackle.
He was a first team All Pro last year at

(01:05:03):
left tackle. You know, we talked to Doug Morone was
it earlier this month, and he had a guy in
New Orleans who did it, Jamal Brown, who was a
first round pick by the Saints. He played right tackle
to start his career in New Orleans and then they
moved him to left and he was a Pro bowler
at left tackle. So it's all I'm telling you is
that it's been done.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Don't like it's this one. Did Orlando Brown play right
tackle at one point and then they're they're changed to
left tackle?

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
Very possible. The other one is Jedrick Wills with Cleveland,
who played right tackle at Alabama and then played left tackle.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
And my bigger point, like, just again, if member, if
you thought, if you have him evaluated greater than Campbell,
the right left thing wouldn't be the by determining factor.
It would be the better player. But I also would
just say, we've just given you a couple of examples
of guys who switched sides and done it well. There

(01:05:59):
are really no examples of guys with arms. And I
won't say definitively as short as will Campbell's because of
the discrepancy between the combine numbers and.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
The PRODA numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
But there is no example of a guy who had
thirty two and five ahs inch arms or shorter that
has succeeded over the last twenty five years.

Speaker 6 (01:06:19):
That's true if you evaluate the tape and I come
away from the tape saying Will Campbell's the better player.
But if you evaluate the tape and say Rembu's the
better player, then to me, the right to left and
the short arms cancel each other out like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
One is kind of how I would feel about it.
That's why I would say I'm comfortable with Membo being
a right tackle if it doesn't work with Campbell, he's
a guard. Now, to me, there's a big difference between
filling the right tackle spot and then filling a guard spot. Yeah,
I mean I think the way again. My buddy Mike
Reese this morning said, well, you know, even if like
he wants to do you a sort of your double

(01:06:54):
dip thing. So if you get Will Campbell at four
and then are able to sort of squeak out connorly or.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
I don't want to double dip at the position.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Ursery, well, like, the worst case scenario is you know
the worst case you can't do it? Well. Yeah, I
suppose it was a very Patriots dot Com like comment. Right,
worst case scenario, Yeah, you should get two All pros
playing on the left side, though one of them plays
left tackle, one of them plays left guard, and your
offensive line is okay for at least the next five years.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Yep, yep. Nick in Boston writes in to answer your
question from earlier in the show, Patriots don't consider Gibson
the answer as pass catching back because he's a bad
pass blocker.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
In my opinion, that's a good point. That's a very
good point, email.

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
I don't think this is a great pass blocking class,
to be honest with you, Yeah, he's right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
I think Gibson does struggle a little bit. He had
some good pickups, but he does struggle a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
And that separately. Todd McShay said yesterday that teams he's
spoken to picking in the top ten are happy that
Will Campbell is the pick at for so better players
fall to them. Please draft Membo, who is an actual
tackle or genty. I know drafting and running back at
the top of the draft is horrible, asked management, but
at least he has a chance to be elite. The
Giants are used as the main example of white drafting

(01:08:05):
running back doesn't move the needle, but I think that
argument is missing context. The year before the Giants drafted Saquon,
their offense ranked thirty first, and then it ranked sixteenth.
In Saquon's rookie season, the offense was average because they
had a diminished quarterback, but Saquon still provided a large boost.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
Well, I think Eli Manning was hurt the year before
and then came back and played.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Don't let facts get in the way. But yeah, actually
I don't. Yeah, I don't remember, because Eli was very durable,
but he played through Maybe he played through injury.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
He had one season where he missed a lot of
games or missed some games, and it might have not
been that one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Because I thought macadoo ended his streak. Buddy Ben McAdoo.
Oh yeah, he had a consecutive from started streak and
then he decided to bench him late late in the
last time.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
Okay, I had my ears mixed up, but I don't
The emailer might be right about the rankings. I don't
know if he's using yards, points, whatever, but I don't
think that's the point. Is We're not trying to be
the sixteenth best offense right in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
And I don't really care what the like the numbers.
I want to win games and the Giants didn't win games.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Alex, I don't know what you're saying. Just say it.
Oh good, yeah, okay, thank you, Okay, I'm just.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
To go to them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
I would just go, you know, does the guy lead
you to win games?

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
And I'm not saying don't take genty because he could
help your offensive. He's the best player then, like you know,
more power to you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
Yeah, I mean, I think the argument for gent other
than him just being the best player, is that you
would think that there could be some sort of gravity
of him being on the field, where you get more
seven and eight man boxes, you get guys that bite
a little bit harder on play action, like he's the
vocal point of the game plan, like those types of things. Now,

(01:09:54):
for the most part, the numbers would say that, doesn't
it really I should.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Know the answer to this question. Ball security issues with
him at all in school college.

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
He had four fumbles last year. I mean, the game
against Penn State wasn't good, but I think a lot
of that was I'm trying to break six tackles to,
you know, make this run happen. And I'm you know,
he gets stripped like towards the end of the run,
kind of like Remondrey, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
But I still not good.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
I wouldn't say it's it's maybe a small sea concern.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
All Right, people are back on the phones. Let's go
to David and Florida. What's up David, Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Guys, what's it going good?

Speaker 14 (01:10:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:10:34):
So I had two things here. First. Firstly, I wanted
to apologize to Paul hearing that you had to walk
in on Fred Hard at work today. So the second
thing is that I've actually speaking of Paul. I've realized
that I've started to talk like him a little bit
when it comes to some of this draft stuff. But
I'm seeing people online saying, I like Will Campbell just

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not at four, or I like this player, just not
And then I just responded with you don't like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Him, you don't like him. Yeah, that's that's well done.

Speaker 15 (01:11:02):
I completely agree with that. That is such a good
response to some of these arguments, and I feel like
a lot of people have to hear that. So thankful.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
I'm glad I could help yeah, and I do get
there's some nuanced thanks David to that line of thought.
You know, like I think Will Campbell's going to be
a really good football player, but I'm not sure he's
worth the fourth pick. Now. I do think this draft
is kind of unique. I think in this draft you
can make an argument that he's the fourth best player.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Is this all because of COVID? This draft just the
way things kind of fell out?

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
I mean, I don't in terms of smarter people's available.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
In this draft, like a lot of guys, you know,
it's it's almost like that bridge, like after this year,
COVID's in the in the rearview mirror, like this is
the last effects of COVID.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Well that's supposed to be true, Like this is about
the end of the extra years. There's like there's a
lot of six year guys in this draft, but that's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Why the college rosters and that effects who's available.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
You know, Yeah, no, it probably could be. Yeah, I
didn't really think of it in those terms, spread but
that's logical. What you're saying is that's why there's more
guys that haven't come out yet. That's why you know,
maybe guys didn't commit as much. Maybe the talent's more
spread out or you know, I don't know. Yeah, a
lot of facts.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Let's go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian?

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
All right?

Speaker 13 (01:12:22):
Here you guys here you get at I see you
having some sort of phone issues which happened, So thank
you guys for taking my call here from La where
sunny and finally getting warm. Yeah, okay, Before so the football,
I want to cut my haters off and say, the
only reason why I mentioned wait for Me last week
and the other company was because of the contact of

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the call. It wasn't me being super La as I've
now heard. So that's that. But on the football, when
we were talking yesterday, they were saying, how such a
deep class at deep physics and such a deep class
at running back. We were wondering, does that really have
an impact on the league in terms of everyone gets

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a good defensive end. Does that like level up the
competition in that position? And then next year there's a
run on left tackles to sort of you know, cancel
out for running defensive ends, or there's a run on
running backs. The next year they do linebackers that they
can't sl that up. Do you guys think that really
actually has an impact on the league when they have
a run or a deep class.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Well, I mean deep like it's all relative. I mean
when we say it's a deep class, I mean there's
good players. I mean they're not all Aaron Donald or
you know, Lawrence Taylor. You know if you had a
run on those guys. Yeah, that that affects the landscape
of the league. But I don't think we're going there. Yeah,
there's going to be some good players that come out
of this draft that will make teams, and and uh,

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it will help those teams. But I don't know if
it's it's altering, it's uh, you know.

Speaker 13 (01:13:52):
So it doesn't shift the league when there's a deep
class at won specific position.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
I don't I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
I don't think so.

Speaker 10 (01:13:58):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
I think it's more about this draft often like, yeah,
you have to look at it and say, ash and
Genty might be the best running back, But is the
drop off from Ashen Genty to the running back we
could get on Day two bigger or smaller than Will
Campbell to the next best tackle that we're going to
get on day two? And I think that that's where
the arguments there are the discussions come into play about

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who they're going to take at four overall is well,
Will Campbell might not be as good of a player
as Ashon Genty, but we can get you know, RJ.
Harvey on day two of the draft at running back,
and there is no equivalent to RJ. Harvey at the
tackle position. The drop off at tackle is significant, so
we have to what we'd rather lean in. You know,

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I think the same thing about edge rusher, Like, yeah,
Jalen Walker is a good player, but you can find
good edge rushers in this class probably into day three
of the draft. So do you need to take the
edge rusher at four or can you take the position
of need at tackle and then take the edge rusher
on day two?

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
You know, I don't think there's ever been a draft
where so many great players from one position came out
of that draft that had altered what other teams had
to do the next year too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Right, and that like, I don't think you can control
where the talent is going to be sort of situated.
You know, I have heard a lot of different draft
guys talk about they have the most amount of running
backs in this draft with draftable grades since whatever two
thousand and eight. Or something I've heard some different years.

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But that doesn't mean next year there will be like
a lot of off ball linebackers, you know that that
are going to be ready made to offset those running backs.
Like you, I don't think you control where the talent
is going to be concentrated from draft to draft.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
Now multiple drafts, you know, for example, interior defensive line,
like there we are in a a what's the word
like golden era of interior pass rushers like this is
probably I mean Aaron Donald retired, So maybe that that
brings it down a slight notch. But you know, Chris Jones,

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Jalen Carter, you know, those types of level players. Like
it's just all throughout the league there's great interior pass rushers.
So now guards and centers are becoming a little bit
more valuable than maybe they were five years.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Oh, I would say that over multiple drafts, there was
an alteration at quarterback in the AFC. You know, like
all of a sudden, you had Herbert and you had
Mahomes and you had Josh Allen, you know, and that
altered things, you know, the structure in the AFC. But
it's multiple years, it's never it's usually not just one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
So, but that's a good example. So the AFC right
now has you know, a half dozen top flight quarterbacks.
So if you're in the AFC, you're gonna need to
be able to play some pass defense, right, But if
the cornerbacks are not worthy of taking in the first round,
you can't just say, well, I need a cornerback, right,
you know, if they are. You know, obviously that's usually

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a pretty deep position in any draft. There's a lot
of defensive backs. But that's when you get in trouble
if you say, well, I got to go up against
you know, Mahomes, you know, twice a year, and I
got to find a way to well, I can't just
take jeff A Kuda right number three. Overall, I know
Detroit Tuch Camm and not anybody in the AFC West,
But if he's not worthy of that pick, that's not
a good pick, just because you need a corner to

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go against these high flying passing attacks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Eldred's in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?

Speaker 6 (01:17:35):
Hey?

Speaker 14 (01:17:36):
Out of.

Speaker 16 (01:17:39):
H question? Uh, gret, I love you. Behind the invo
wide receivers, Dante Thorton is my guy.

Speaker 6 (01:17:46):
If you tell you that one, I mean if who's Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Okay, he's in there's no question that's Eldrid's guy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
He made my envelope.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
It's a good time to transition to the envelope there.

Speaker 16 (01:18:06):
Yeah, a question, would you stick somebody's toes up doing
a draft? Give a third for the Raiders left tackle?
If he if they trade him and then let Carolina move,
what will you get a first in a second? Did
you move down and get get what you need? Would

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y'all do that? Or would you stick and pick? What's
the point you got with rounds you got? And I
go from there? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Okay, thanks Elder, Thanks Biggy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Yeah, I mean I'm interested in coldon Miller. I don't
know if you'd have to give up a third round
pick because you're going to have to give him a contract. Yeah,
so that would lower I would think the draft compensation.

Speaker 6 (01:18:45):
Yeah, it would certainly free them up at the top
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
You're available, yeah, I don't think there's any indications so
far that he's available.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Right, that was like on day one when he didn't
show up. All these stories, they haven't heard anything.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Since he's in the contract, right, you know, yeah, knit
with the Raiders. But that doesn't mean he's available, right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
So anyway, we talked about the envelo. So here's an envelope, right,
here's the front of the envelope. In the envelope, you know,
we have something in the novel, and then you have
the back of the envelope. So, but I've only done
these are only well, we did wide receivers last week.
So I only have really kind of three positions that

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I've really looked at for back of the envelope other
than wide receiver. I started with the tackle. I didn't
go into guards and centers. Who cares. I didn't get
into that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
I'll do that for you. So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
I just looked at tackles. So I have five people
on my back of the envelope. They may not all
be that unknown or you know, but Ozzie Trapillo I
like him b C.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
So I picked him as a guy that could be
a Patriot.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Yeah, you know like that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
By the end of the draft, so and so will
be on the Patriots. Yeah he could be one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Six eight, three, sixteen. I have him as the heir
to Moses. Right at right tackle, I have Logan Brown
out of Kansas. He's a six six three eleven. I
called him a project, never misses a game. He saw
a lot of these tackles don't miss games.

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
You know, very athletic, very high upside. But you probably
read this and the Beast maybe, but he's had some
He had to transfer from Wisconsin, let's just put it
to you that way for some issues that happened at
the Wisconsin program. Ye, if he if that hadn't happened,
it's one of those guys like if that hadn't happened,

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we're probably talking about him pushing the top one hundred
of this draft. He's going to get knocked a couple
of rounds because of.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
It's okay, the past things we do in our youth,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
Yeah, we got into it with a teammate a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Another left tackle, Miles Hinton out of Michigan's six six
three twenty five. I noted that he only has one
flag in two years.

Speaker 6 (01:20:55):
Yeah, there's a lot of people that are really high
on Miles Hinton. He's, you know, kind of one of
those guys highly touted out of high school. You know,
went to a big, you know, blue blood program, you know,
power five school, power four, whatever you call it. Uh,
there there's a there's some Day three buzz for Miles
Hinton that that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
I can't read my own writing. Left tackle Jalen is
a Travis Travis Travis out of Iowa State.

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
As strong as an ox, big, big dude, like six eight.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Six seven six eight three thirty nine.

Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
Yeah, huge, huge tackle is a little stiff, little heavy footed,
but but it's got all of the people moving and
all that stuff checked.

Speaker 7 (01:21:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
And then finally I have him at tackle or guard
Xavier Trust out of Georgia six seven three eighteen. He's
Rhode Island guy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
Yeah, reminds me of McLendon, Warren McClendon, who also came
from Georgia. You know, probably like a flex tackle guard,
you know, probably a backup in the league, but can
probably back up both spots, and those guys are valuable.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Yeah. Uh so that's my tackle position. Then I did
a couple of runs. Obviously, Skataboo's won.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
He's you know, he's actually like your Stataboo one.

Speaker 6 (01:22:06):
Yeah, there's some buzz about Skataboo not having as many
fans in the league as he does in the meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
Well, he's kind of a hard oh, and he's not
totally season He's not.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
As you know, there's a lot of questions about his
play speed and his explosiveness and how athletic he truly
is and all that kind of stuff. So I'm actually
really interested to see where he goes because I think
he'll be a Day three pick.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Day three. Yeah, he's a Day three guy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Yeah. And laquin Allan Syracuse six foot about two oh five.
He got into a fight early in his career, not
on the field, but you know that's why you like,
I'm getting in a little trouble. But he's a hard worker.
All his coaches love him, and he's got huge hands
for a running back.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
Yeah. So he's probably the best all around past catching
back in this class. He's one of the few guys
that can actually block at the position. He's a very
high level pass blocker, a very good pass catcher out
of the backfield. It reminds me a little bit of
Rashad White in Tampa Bay. You know, that kind of
player that they can get out of the backfield and
catch passes. But out of everything that that you can

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give to Laquinn al And he might be the best
pass bocker in the entire class.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
So it's funny you brought up Rashad White. Yeah, he
was also one of the guys that Schefter had being
potentially available with the emergence of Bucky Irving. Yeah, I'd
give up a draft a late draft pick for Rashad
White if if that's something that you really want to do.

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough to get any value for
running backs with the class that it is about to
come in, Like, you know, why would you trade a
draft pick when you could draft one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Of these Dudescause I have a guy who's ready made.
I don't have to wait for him to be ready,
that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
And then I only picked two for defensive end edge
because it's such a deep draft. For that it's like
they're all pretty good as you can see. I like
the local guys. Donovan ez Juraku. Yeah, so from BC
six to forty eight ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Yeah, I think that's something. Yeah, had like sixteen sacks
last year. He is agent switched up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
Yeah, I'm surprised that you didn't know of him, not really,
like just because of the name, Like it's a you know,
stands out.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
And then the late draft guy, maybe even Ah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
He's a first round a.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Free undrafted free agent R j Oben out of Notre
Dame sixty three two fifty one. He's more polished than
you would think as a pass rusher, has a lot
of experience. I think he's played six years. He played
at Duke before Notre Dame. It's nothing else. He's special teams,
but I think he could actually become a rotational pass rusher.

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
He's got some moves in his arsenal. He's he's not
quite the athlete that some of these other guys are,
which is why he's gonna go a little bit later.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
But he's got skills.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
He's got skilled he's got hands, he's got heavy hands,
he's got some counters to his game. He's he was
it was the word. He was decent and mobile, like
we saw him at the Senior Bowl and he was solid.
But Donovan Azaraku, who is one of my favorites, he's
he's gonna go early. I you know, just twitched up,
sudden mover, can rush off the edge, speed, rush beat

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you inside defense the run. Well, just a really good player.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
So Asaraku probably doesn't qualify as a back of the
envelope guy, he's too.

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
He's a top thirty two talent in the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Yeah, so I think I want to say it was
the Florida State game that I really noticed him, Like
he wrecked that game.

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
Yeah, he's right there with you know, like Mike Green
and Shamar Stewart and all those guys. You know, he's
a little bit cleaner off the field than my Green.
So I could actually see him going ahead of Mike
Green in the draft. I think he's a back end
of the first round talent.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Okay, Yeah, so I hope to get to, uh, defensive backs, linebackers,
and tight ends. Those are the other three positions I
want to get to before doing Jaggie.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Wide receivers this year.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Already, did I know?

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
But they were good ones?

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
No, n oh yeah, nickname Thornton's late draft.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
You had, you had Nick.

Speaker 6 (01:25:54):
He's not Day one or two, right, Dante Thornton. Yeah,
but he's so.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
I can sit anyone that's day three. I consider that's
back of the envelope, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:04):
Sure, right, Yeah, you're right, those are good names. Good tackles,
You are right, good tackles. Those guys, I think, you know,
Logan Brown, Travis like those guys are all flyers at
the You know on day three that a lot of
people have liked it throughout this process. You know, size
with Travis and athleticism with Brown. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Okay, so let's get back to the phones. We've got
Kareem in Boston. What's up, Kareem?

Speaker 17 (01:26:29):
Hey, guys, it's Boston dream here on my question, is
there any chance that we completely hunt on left tackle
when we just take a flyer and the team just
goes best player available and then addresses the position next year?

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
I do think I would say there's a chance. I
think it's probably unlikely, but yeah, I could make an
argument for.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
That, yep.

Speaker 17 (01:26:51):
And then is there any chance that we can bring
back the pickleback shots this year for the draft show?

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
What's what do you say?

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Pickle juice the shots? Yeah, pickleback shots. So you guys
didn't you and Andy do that one year?

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
I don't think you need to do that left tackle
like you don't need to. I don't think you need
to skip it like. I think there's gonna if you
truly want to stick to the board and play best player, like,
there's gonna be tackles on that you're gonna be able
to draft it the spots on day you know, day one,
day two that you can justify sticking to the board
and taking those guys. I don't think you have to

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thank Boston a position.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Let's go to Brad in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

Speaker 13 (01:27:35):
Hey, how you guys doing today?

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (01:27:39):
Ready for the draft?

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Getting ready?

Speaker 6 (01:27:41):
Getting there?

Speaker 14 (01:27:43):
That's right. A couple of quick questions for you guys today,
keep up the good job. Just to qu uh if
we look at it from a defensive perspective and gleaming
from what Rabel said in his interview, which defensive player
do you think would be the best to counter from

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a Patrick Mahomes, Allen and Jackson given uh, you know
that position, because he'd be talked about a premium position.
So I'm thinking he's going to go somebody to try
to go after one of them. Who would be the
best for that?

Speaker 15 (01:28:20):
That's my first question.

Speaker 14 (01:28:22):
And then there's a couple Iowa players a defensive tackle
Yaya Black I believe, and linebacker Higgins that I'd like
to see maybe looked into. And then Luke Lackie a
tight end. And I did ask Evan and Alex once
about double dipping a tight end. And the reason why

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is because the ones we have are good, but they're
just kind of old. So I was wondering if maybe
we should you know, upgrade for Drake's perspectives.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Yeah, tight ends, you know, Yeah, yeah, all right, thanks Brad.

Speaker 6 (01:28:59):
I don't think you have the draft two of them.
I don't see the need for that. But adding a
tight end to the developmental pipeline.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
The first question about like who's the best, the best
to go after I would I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Mean, yeah, it's abdul Cotter in this draft. I mean,
I like Jalen Walker, you know, as a realistic possibility
at four. But that's one thing that stood out to
me with rabel Is when he talked about, sort of
as introductory press conference, guys who affect the quarterback. And
that's why I think they still have a need for

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edge rush. And I think Evan's point about the depth
of that spot makes a lot of sense, Like I
don't necessarily think you need to use the fourth overall
pick on that position, because you can get a really
good one, as you said, Fred with Azaraku as a
guy later in the first round that might be available
even at the top of the second when you go,

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is that that much of a difference. Probably not, ye,
especially with with Walker, even though I have a crush
on Walker, there is some question as to whether does
he fit best as a pure edge guy or is
he sort of an off the ball linebacker type who
can do sort of those different things. You know, he's smaller,
but kind of like Don the high tower where you
use him as an edge rusher and certain situations he

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comes up the a gap. On other situations, He's not
as big as his high tower, as I said, But
how much has that kind of versatility?

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
How much do we have to factor in the vraable
type of player in trying to figure out who's going
to get picked.

Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
I do think it's getting a tad overrated, thank you
at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:38):
I think there are certain positions, you know where they
talk about effort and finish. Well, if you're gonna play
defense or offensive line, then effort and finish is going
to be a big part of the position that you play.
But are they going to take a guy you know,
Jalen Walker is getting a lot of buzz because he
has got all the intangible qualities that vrabel wants. He's

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going to be a team captain. Someday, He's gonna have
great effort and finish. He's gonna be, you know, one
of those high character guys in the locker room and
want that and that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
And that's why I think Evans percent right. He's a
rable guy. Like what coach doesn't want guys that play hard,
you know, work, they work hard on and off the field,
the team oriented, they finish, play to the whistlelake right,
I mean all coaches want those kinds of things.

Speaker 6 (01:31:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. With Jalen Walker, I posted
a breakdown of him today and I think, Paul, you
nailed it to me. Like I have Jalen Walker as
a linebacker, A lot of people have Jaalen Walker as
an edge rusher. I just at six one, two forty,
I don't see how you're gonna play edge rusher full
time in the NFL. So I look at him as
high tower, like he's gonna play off the ball on
first and second down and then on third down they'll

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put him in the pass rush somewhere, whether it's you know,
over the guard or out over the tackle. But I
don't see him as a full time pass rusher. Guy
off the edge. But I think that he's gonna be
able to do a little bit of both. And he's
gonna bring the intangibles in the in the football character
side of.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
It, and he definitely has that. I mean they people
speak of him really glowingly in terms yeah leadership and professionalism.

Speaker 6 (01:32:15):
He has a chance to be like a captain as
a second year player, like you know that, like a
Devin mccordy type of captain for a decade type of player.
But is he the best player on the football field,
which is what you know Rabel said at his introductor
in his press conference, you know, pre draft press conference,
was He's gotta be a good football player first, Like
we're not just drafting a bunch of boy scouts. You

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have to have good football players first.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Michael writes, And I'm interested in the idea of trading down.
If we trade down with the Saints at number nine,
what are the chances will Campbell will still be available?
And if not, do we hit the panic button and
grab Kelvin Banks or armored Membu at nine.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
So I'm glad you brought this up. I do think
there's a chance that you could do something like that.
I don't know exactly what the odds are, but I
don't think it's out of the ramapass ability that you
could still get Campbell. I want to talk to Evan
about Kelvin Banks a little bit. Yeah, you guys know,
like going back to like during the season, Kelvin Banks
was my tackle of choice. Yeah, he sort of slipped

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after getting you know, ironically getting dominated by my guy
Jalen Walker and that Georgia Mikels defense. Yeah, he seems
to be on the rise again. Am I imagining that?

Speaker 6 (01:33:25):
Yeah, we're getting uh, we're going full circle here with
two guys Tet McMillan and Kelvin Banks. Sounds like a
lot of the buzz that Tet McMillan was gonna fall
maybe to like the twenty range that seems to be
a little bit overblown. Similarly, with Banks, I think both
those guys are you know, probably going the ten to
twenty range conservatively, but are still going to go early

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in the draft. I think the one thing that people
have concerns with with Banks that tackle, because a lot
of people project Banks to play guard at the next level.
Actually he's he's a guard in the beast, you know.
Dan Brugler has him as a guard. The more space
he plays in, the body control and the balance is
not always there. So when he gets out on an
island against pass pass rushers and he's got a dance

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with those guys out there, he's not the best at
sustaining blocks and being able to stay connected to those
pass rushers. So some people think that his playing style
is a little bit more conducive to playing inside versus outside.
But I think that the league views him as a
top twenty player in the class.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
And I think, yeah, it's funny. I mean, I don't
pretend to be the expert on offensive line play, but
he seems to me to have prototypical.

Speaker 6 (01:34:32):
There's a lot of parotypical trades. Extremely wide bodied guy.
You know, he's got the length, he's got the foot speed, athleticism,
but a really good run blocker already.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
Again, it's not a lot of character to Fred high
character guy Ki Banks.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
There you go, yep, Jack and and Auber. Who's our
insider at Michigan, he says, Miles hint and transferred to
Michigan from Stanford. He played very little his first year
to do to injury. He played left tackle the next season.
He never lived up to his billing. He's a huge
guy who doesn't play physically. Early on, he struggled with
pass protection. He eventually settled in as a solid, but

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not dominant left tackle. I'm skeptical he will ever develop
into a starting left tackle in the NFL. He would
be worth drafting in the sixth or seventh round. Perhaps
Hinton has a better future in the NFL as a guard.

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
I don't know about the guard part. I mean, I
watched him at tackle, and I just if you're going
day three, like I think he's spot on that he's
a Day three pick, there's no doubt about that. But
if you're going day three, he's got a lot of
the raw tools and measurables that lend themselves to a
higher ceiling than some of the other guys you know
over thirty four inch arms, really good athlete, you know,

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highly touted guy that never lived up to the building.
But you put him in the right program with the
right coach and maybe you get you know, that five
star talent out of him. So as a day three flyer,
like that's what teams are looking for, or the guys
that have some upside and some ceiling to them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
At that point of the draft, spiin Frezo says, listening
to the first three callers speaking and not being heard
by you guys and then getting hung up on with hilarious.
Four boys had to walk the plank, and Fred, my
appliance guy, gave the thumbs up on speed. Queen. Oh
it's yeah, listen, I know what I'm talking about there

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Ford in Savannah. Fred, let it be known we were
lockstep on lad and now we are once again with
Tyler Warren Evan. Him being good at multitude of things
is not a good argument for not selecting him. Let's
go Patriots, please surprise us.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
It was really good at multiple things, but wasn't actually good.
Adelius Thomas like, I feel like there's a lot of
players like that that are just like it, just I mean,
obviously different positions, but like I think in the league
you have to have a something that you're elite at
to truly move the needle for a team. Like what
is the one thing that you can hang your hat

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on and say I am awesome at this?

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
That's the question in this draft, because I would agree
with you, you need to be elite at something if
you're going to be one of those picks. Yeah, you're
gonna be a top ten pick in a draft. You
got to have an elite trade. But maybe in this
draft there aren't a lot of guys with elite traits. Yeah,
so you just picture the next best.

Speaker 6 (01:37:14):
He's one of the cleanest prospects in the draft. Like you,
you're going to get a starting at tight end. I
just don't know if he's going to be an elite
tight end. You know, he's going to be a good
tight end for a long time. I'm also agist, so
that's part of it too. He's older, and I don't
I don't love older prospects. Like, it's not impressive to
me when like a twenty four year old owns eighteen

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year olds.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
You don't have to agree with you on the on
that as Belichick, Yeah, tended to gravitate to the underclassman
a lot. Yeah, liked he liked the younger guys.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Well, I think yeah, I mean bost teams. That's why
those those when those juniors declare, they go higher because
you get them for you know, they're.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
Well, it's part of it, yeah, I mean mostly they
just more talented. Yeah, it took what five years to
really where would those two wide receivers go if they
came out right now? You know, Ryan was it? Ryan
Williams and Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 6 (01:38:08):
Jeremiah Smith might be the first pick.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
They might probably both be in the top ten anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Oh yeah, Nick in Connecticut. If Luther Burden slips into
the late first, early second round, I'd love for the
Patriots to find a way to get him. This got
me thinking about how we and Diggs, how he and
Diggs would gel in the locker room and on the field.
I believe both have a similar skill set, so if
Diggs was willing to mentor him, it could be an
amazing fit. With that said, I know Diggs has had

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the reputation of being a distraction and sometimes not having
the best attitude. With the Burdens red flags come into
the league, it could potentially exacerbate the issue instead of
it being a positive. I'm just interested in where you
guys fall on that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
So I'm just going to talk about Diggs and I'll
let I'll let f talk about Burden, who I love,
by the way, but just the whole off field thing
with Diggs, and this is something I've argued with Mike
about a lot and I wish he was here For
a guy who is like as big a problem as
everybody makes him out to be. He's been on nothing
but winning teams. In Minnesota they won, in Buffalo they won,

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and last year in Houston they won. So he can't
be that disruptive. He's always part of a winning bad now,
I understand that. I understand that. You know who else
didn't win it all? Logan Mankin. Do you think he
was disruptive?

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Well when he had his contract thing?

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Yeah, that's why they didn't win it all?

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:39:31):
Yeah. I love Luther Burden. I have him as the
third best receiver in the class. I think he's getting
dinged for the off field stuff and for the character stuff,
And to me, he's the biggest litmus test of the
whole Rabel thing in this entire draft. Like, if the
Patriots passed on Luther Burden at thirty eight, then I

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will be hundred percent sold that Rabel's football character. And
you know, getting the right kind of guy is holding
a lot of weight in the draft room because that
guy is definitely a first round talent. So like, you
can't pass on him on thirty eight based off the
football I think He's a little bit different than Diggs,
Like he's better after the catch and he's more elusive

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with the ball in his hands than Stefan Diggs, but
not maybe as good of a route runner as Diggs is,
But he's to me, he's like a Zay Flowers, Deebo
Samuel type of receiver. But I love Luther Burden and
another one young player early breakout, true sophomore breakout in
twenty twenty three. And I think that last year was

(01:40:33):
just a bad year for the program. It was a
bad year for the quarterback, it was a bad year
for everybody at Missouri that didn't live up to the
expectations and not hurt him.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
And just you know, with that character concern out of
the draft for Vrabel, it's worth mentioning he took a
handful of risks in Tennessee and for the most part,
was not rewarded for them. I believe one major hit
in that regard was Jeffrey Simmons, who had some questions
coming out, and obviously that was a home run. But

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he also took Isaiah Wilson, the guy who played like
played like five plays for him as a first round pick.
There was a lot of questions. I remember at the COMBA.
I believe that was one of my last combines. There
were a lot of questions about him there in Indy.
They took him anyway in the first round and he
was out of the league. I think he like literally
played like less than a game in the league. Caleb

(01:41:26):
Farley was an injury risk that obviously turned out to
be valid. He didn't play a whole lot, so he's
taken some risks.

Speaker 6 (01:41:35):
The injury one. In his pre draft press conference, that's
what he pointed out specifically when it comes to what
did you learn? The question was what did you learn
from Tennessee? And they took some injury risks early on
in the draft. And that's why I've more or less
crossed Josh Simmons off the list. I think that he's
going to learn from some of the change his ways,

(01:41:55):
I guess is a better way to put it. With
some of those things. When it comes to injured guys,
there's a couple other guys that have popped up. Now
you start to hear about the guys that have medical
red flags on them from teams this time of year.
You know, Jeehat Campbell's another one will Johnson has like
a knee thing that people are worried about now.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
Is that what I want to ask you about him too.
He's the corner from Michigan Freddie. Yeah, you know, and
there was some questions about his sort of speed, you know,
his long speed, and now that he's dealing with his
knee thing, generally you're not going to gain speed. It's
not like Tommy John's surgery where you know, all of
a sudden you start throwing three miles an hour hotter
after you go under the knife. Is there concerns about

(01:42:38):
Will Johnson?

Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
It sounds like it's more longevity than it is, like
he's hurt right now. I think it's more of like
a Sony Michelle situation of like how long is the
knee gonna hold up?

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
That's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Joe writes in I think they should be giving serious
consideration to taking genty. The examples like McCaffrey and Barkley
are examples where teams never had and never got a
quarterback for at least this year. You should be building
your teams under the assumption you do. If may proves
to be bad, you can reassess teams who had the
quarterback ended up doing very well drafting a running back

(01:43:10):
high some pro running back examples Dallas with Dak and Zeke,
the Rams with Goff and Gurley, and even the Jags
with Fournette and Bortles. If you can trade down and
get Genty, I think that's your best bet. Trade back up,
get a left tackle, then find a pass rusher and
guard with those third rounders.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
It's basically Evans argument.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
It's a fair then like it's a it's a fair plan.
Then you know. The Dallas one I think is Dallas
drafted Dak the same class that they drafted Zeke, and
they stumbled into Dak Prescott. He was a fourth round
pick that turned out to be a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
I like his argument, I would question his examples, Like
Leonard Fournette is an example of a good pick at
four they did make because they had because they had
Blake Bortles.

Speaker 6 (01:43:54):
Yeah, like they.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
Had a good but they had an unbelievable team right
that was very talented and probably should have gone to
the Super Bowl. They probably should have beaten the Patriots
that day, and that that's what seventeen AFC Championship. Yeah,
they had the Patriots dead and buried. But I would
argue that just because you had success for a fleeting

(01:44:15):
season doesn't mean that that was a good pick.

Speaker 6 (01:44:18):
Yeah, and Gurley and Goff's a good one. But Gurley
is another example of a running back that flamed out
after his rookie contract. So the longevity thing.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
Is thanks for reminding me of that one, because that,
to me is that that should be the post of childhood.
Why you don't do that right because it's such a
short shelf life?

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Yeah, yep, let's see this is uh John, where's he from? Denver?
Calls himself the Denver omelet?

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:44:47):
Little?

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Would you rather game? Would you rather draft all offensive
players or draft all defensive players?

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
All offense this year? In this draft this year offense?

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
Okay? Would you rather trade Drake made of the Giants
for neighbors in the number three pick? Or Trey Drake
and number four for Patrick Mahomes? Bonus? This forces Kelsey
to cry and retire in his podcast, and he and
Taylor break up.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, I have no interest in the Giants.

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
Yeah, only I wouldn't do that Giants trade.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
No, No, but I would do it The Kansas City one.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
Yeah, film rookie content trout fishing with Travis Hunter or
Russell Gators with Will Campbell.

Speaker 6 (01:45:27):
I want nothing to do with gators, so yeah, they'll
take the farm on.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
That scenario, Mike Rabel is abducted by aliens. Who would
you rather bring back as head coach? Gerard Mayo, Bill
Belichick or Josh McDaniels, Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
Belichick, Josh, Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 6 (01:45:43):
Did rather bring Josh McDaniels back, Yeah than Bill?

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
Yeah, we didn't. I just bringing Bill back.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
I didn't say that Josh McDaniels is a better head
coach than Bill Belichick. If you ask me right now
what I'd rather have, I'd rather have Josh McDaniels than
a seventy four or three whatever you're old, Bill Belichick's
little that's crazy. I saw enough of Bill at the end.
I don't think he was the same coach.

Speaker 6 (01:46:05):
Didn't see Josh in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
I didn't say that was great, didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Would you rather win Super Bowl fifty two with Brady's
comeback drive? And Bill reveals why Malcolm Butler didn't play
or win Super Bowl forty two in the nineteen and
o C nineteen not even a question. Would you rather
spend the day with Jack and and Aba touring the
Michigan facility while he talks about every obscure Michigan player

(01:46:32):
that the Patriots should draft, or may even get to
smell harbors and you even get to smell Harbor's use
skivvies at the end, Or spend the day with Christian
in La and his fifth home on the Amalfi Coast
seeing how people in that tax bracket live. The two
of you can spit from his high tower down to
the rest of us Heathens.

Speaker 6 (01:46:53):
Definitely Christian.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
Christian seems like he might just be throwing it around
a little bit. Hey here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
Yeah, okay, he doesn't like Christian in La, so.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
Poor Christian in La. I like how he gets on
every call now when he has his preemptive I know,
people retort to all his critics.

Speaker 6 (01:47:14):
I do think it's funny that he also brings up
the weather in La and he's like, it's finally getting warm.
It's like it's always warm, Like what do you mean
it's finally getting warm? Like you go out to La.
The coldest that gets is like forty degrees.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
We had a beautiful day here on Saturday. It's like,
you know, I think could hit the eighties. Yeah, at
one point, and I had a bunch of stuff to do.
I got a lot of stuff done. I very much enjoyed,
actually for a change, doing yard work because it was
so nice out. But I didn't get to golf. So
I went golfing yesterday afternoon and we were back in
the fifties with like thirty mile an hour, wins in

(01:47:46):
my face on every shot. That's in a related story.
I sucked. Fred's not even paying attention. No, no, what's
the matter, Like how nice it was on Saturday, But
I was busy with other stuff. I didn't get to
golf and enjoy that weather. I played yesterday and it
was back to like fifty degrees wind in your face

(01:48:09):
every shot in it, and I suck. Where'd you play
the meadows and peevity the meadows?

Speaker 10 (01:48:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:48:15):
Fancy, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
It's a public course. It's not fancy.

Speaker 6 (01:48:19):
Sounds fancy, let's see.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
Ryan, really not. It doesn't even have a clubhouse.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Ryan, and Watertown appreciates everything we do with the draft.
This Thursday, I'm sure everyone is going to ask questions
about wide receiver. I'd like to hear your perspective on
this scenario. I'm gonna list some wide receivers that could
potentially be on our roster, and I want to hear
from each of you who makes your ideal. Twenty twenty five,
twenty twenty six six man wide receiver room considering Digs

(01:48:49):
and mccollins are locks. Pick four more from the list below.
So the list is Douglas Bourne, Poke, Booty Baker and
the free agents. It's too long, now, forget it. It's
too many. I thought this was going to be a
draft for Yeah, it's too many people. I'm sorry, Ryan,
but you can't send us an email email that makes

(01:49:12):
us think too much.

Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
Jalen Noel or Kyle Williams. Yeah, draft one of those
two guys.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
Yeah, I mean I like both of those guys. I
tend to gravitate to the outside guys a little bit
more than Evan does, but I like both. You know,
Williams has really come on a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:49:26):
That's what I like a little bit more about. I
love Jaylen Nole, you know that. But Kyle Williams can
play a little bit on the outside. He's got some
ability to play stretch the field, you know, beat press
coverage like that kind of thing. So I've gravitated a
little bit more towards him too, and I put him
in the mock draft, and everybody told me I took
him too high. I did not take him too high.
I'm telling you that right now. That guy's not making

(01:49:47):
it out of the second round. So maybe thirty eight,
maybe he's gonna go fifty instead of thirty eight, but
he's he's not making it out.

Speaker 4 (01:49:54):
Of another one of those. If you want them, you
got to take them.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Yeah, exactly, Brandon California. At this point in the draft process,
I feel like we have exhausted just about every possible
outcome for the Patriots in the first round. Barring a
trade back into the end of the first round, Thursday
night might end up being a quick and possibly boring
night for Patriots fans. That's why I would like to
be more like Fred and have some teams to root

(01:50:18):
against on Night One. My question is if any of
you have some players you would hate to see land
on other teams. Personally, I would hate to see a
scenario where we pass on Campbell and watch him fall
to the Jets, especially if he ends up being great
like I think he will be. Another example of this
might be someone like Luther Burden being swooped up at
the end of the first round by a team like

(01:50:40):
the Bills of the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
The latter one I would put right in that category
of what he's talking about. I don't want to see
those passing teams that I think are like a weapon
away from being really tough to stop. Get a guy
like that.

Speaker 6 (01:50:57):
Yeah, I know. I just trying to keep up a
little bit with the rest of the AFC East and Buffalo.
A lot of people in Buffalo want them to go
defense because of how the defense took a little bit
of a step back last year, and specifically defensive line.
And you see a lot of mocks with like Kenneth
Grant from Michigan or Walter Nolan or whatever, and I'm like,
take one of those guys, go right Do you want

(01:51:17):
to take an interior run stuffer in the first round
if you're if you're a Buffalo, go right ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
I would say. On the flip side, though, like when
you're picking in the late twenties thirties, that's where you like,
that's where you're pick. Like, That's why I'm not overly
interested in Mason Graham. Yeah, but I would take you know,
one of those guys at twenty seven. Whatever Buffalo is picking,
they gotta be picking like twenty eight, twenty nine.

Speaker 6 (01:51:38):
Yeah, they want to they want to get stouter through
the middle, you know, they want to be a.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Base a little bit, don't you think, just in perception, like.

Speaker 6 (01:51:47):
He didn't do anything in the pre draft process, like nothing,
he didn't work out, nothing, And I think when that
type of stuff happens, you kind of forget about him
a little bit. Yeah, right, like you know, people start
to kind of forget about him. Right, I've never been
crazy about him, you know, compared to some other people.
Just two hundred ninety six pound interior defensive lineman that

(01:52:09):
isn't a great athlete. Like clearly if he was a
good athlete, he would have tested. So he's not a
great athlete. I think we can say that. Yeah, he's
kind of like point, you know, a technique wizard and
an effort guy. Yeah yeah, right.

Speaker 16 (01:52:22):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Here's a more what's more likely game? And this is
from Tyler in Ludlow. What's more likely there are less
There are less than three first round trades, or half
of the top ten picks are traded. I think that's
more likely.

Speaker 6 (01:52:37):
Yeah, less than three.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Less than three. Yeah, what's more likely Patriots draft Will
Campbell at four or the field.

Speaker 6 (01:52:45):
Technically Campbell.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
I'm gonna say Will Campbell's more likely. I just feel
like everybody is in agreement. Yeah, it's funny. I had
a conversation about this too, and I was told to like,
I don't know why you're putting so much stock in
the fact that everybody thinks they're picking Will Campbell, right,
because you know, Vrabel is not necessarily a guy that
would track to telling everybody what they're going to do,

(01:53:07):
so that people are just making their opinions. But I
just feel like there's an overwhelming amount of evidence right
now that people seem to be all in on camp Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:53:17):
I think with Campbell, to go to your a golf analogy,
you're on the fairway, Like, did you hit a three
hundred and fifty yard drive? Probably not, but you're on
the fairway. I think with some of these other guys,
you worry about being in in the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
See I was on the fairway all day yesterday, but
it was at that point that I was not getting
from the fairway to the green.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
That's where we could have teamed up. I could have
shot that second.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
I hit like three irons over the green yesterday, and
it wasn't because I like I hit him long, because
I didn't hit them right. So you know when you
hit like an iron off the heel and it goes
further than it normally would like, That's why I was
hitting him over the green, not because I just had
the wrong club. They're all I just I bulked up.
I'm not a big mishitting everything.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
I don't golf, but I watched the end of the Masters,
and that shot that Rory.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
Hit the before choked and missed the putt.

Speaker 6 (01:54:08):
Before the one, the one that curved around one of
the greatest shots I've ever seen. I mean that that
was unreal.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
What's more likely after genty is the top four pick,
or he is in the top twenty pick.

Speaker 6 (01:54:21):
He is a top four pick, definitely moreless.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
He's not I'm going to go I'm gonna go, he's not.
I mean, I think I don't think he's going in
the top.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
I don't think there's any shot he's a top four pick.

Speaker 6 (01:54:32):
A shot, yeah, yeah, but Patriots could take him. They
could somebody could.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
Try to say this top four because I think there's
a better chance the Patriots take him at four, then
he goes out of the top.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Tokay, Yeah, what's more likely the Cowboys war room celebrates
after making their pick, just like they defeated an alien invasion.
Or Paul drinks a diet pepsi and Draft Night, well
we know that, well.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
Both of what's the over under on Diapepsi's on Draft Knight?
Usually that's a.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Heavy probably thirty two one for each pick.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
That's a lot. My eyes would be bugging out of
my head.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
I noticed in the dispenser out there, the snack you know,
the drink dispenser they took out all the celsius. Is
that because they just haven't filled it? Or is there
a thing like we're not.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
Game we need a home we need a home revs game.

Speaker 6 (01:55:21):
A lot of the time, Uh, there's revs games like
Saturday night, like of Draft weekend. I think Messi was here.
Was that last year or two years ago that he
was here on like the on Day three, the night
of Day three, So maybe Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Yeah, that's not going to help me though.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Ford and Savannah, why does the inevitability of selecting Campbell
with the fourth oral pick. Feel like getting socks for Christmas,
because it is sure I desperately need socks, but I
won't feel anything but underwhelmed when receiving them. I think
you're under selling Will Campbell and the need left tackle.
I think you're gonna be mid year, you're gonna be

(01:55:58):
very happy he's on this team.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
Yeah, but two things can be true, like who do
you think is the best left tackle, like of all time,
of all time?

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
Or you love I like Tyron Smith.

Speaker 4 (01:56:11):
Tyron Smith is like getting socks. Yes, it is, like
I understand what Evans point is.

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
It's like it's a blocker and you hope it's not fun.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
You hope that he pans out. You hope that he's
your guy in the future. And then you're like, oh,
that was a smart pick. See we did the right thing.
We got the right guy, and you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
Get a guy like that. But he's a Hall of
Famer man.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
I understand.

Speaker 6 (01:56:32):
There's a few tackles that like, I think Penny Sewell
changes the Lions offense, like his because he's so athletic
and he can get out in space and he can
block and on the move so well that like you can.
You can schematically build the offense around a guy like that,
but that's like a very Everybody else is just kind
of Is he serviceable at the position? Or is he not?

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Nate Rison, He says. I've always wondered if I would
ever meet any of the Unfiltered, and last week it
finally happened. I ran into Deuce while he was out
for a walk with Zuke. I heard this story who
had bitten a squirrel? Zuke bit a squirrel. Turns out
Deus lives right up the street from me, in a
house my kids used to go to daycare in. I'm
writing to say that Deuce is exactly the same kind,

(01:57:16):
thoughtful and engaging person he is on air, and thank
him for taking a few minutes to talk to me
and my son. The whole experience was great and moved
him up my Unfiltered panelist rankings, which he sorely needed
after their precipitous slide following the jant Mock Draft. Football Wise,
please get Evan to stop recommending the Patriots draft underside

(01:57:39):
wide receivers or slot receivers in general. Eldred and I
would like to continue to listen to the show The
Josh McDaniel's Patriots have never had an issue with production
from that position and they won't this year. Either Pop
can play it, and if he doesn't have the durability,
it will be next man up and they can figure
out what they have in that room. Not to mention,
they're paying Stefan Dig's twenty million plus per year and

(01:58:02):
he played forty six percent of his snaps from the slot.
According to Evan, the Patriots need outside help and it's
unfortunate this isn't the draft to get it. But ultimately,
we can't play three slots at once.

Speaker 6 (01:58:14):
I'm not too worried about where they're all gonna play.
I just want guys that can get open.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
And either and Digs is not making anyway there that
amount of money.

Speaker 3 (01:58:21):
So his top one hundred draft of the Patriots is
Will Campbell at four, Landon Jackson at thirty eight defensive end,
Dylan Samson running back at sixty nine, Andrew mccouba at
seventy seven free safety, and at one o six everyone's
favorite Dante Thornton.

Speaker 6 (01:58:38):
Yeah that's not bad. Mean, it's a little high for Thornton,
but the other right, I like all the other players
you know. I just I just look at a little
bit differently, like in terms of the outside inside thing.
I just like guys that can create separation and guys
that make big plays.

Speaker 3 (01:58:50):
All right, we'll do one more call then we're gonna
hit the road. It's Danny in Michigan. What's up, Danny?

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:58:57):
Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 15 (01:58:58):
Guys?

Speaker 6 (01:58:59):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
Hey, Danny.

Speaker 18 (01:59:01):
I just had a little two questions for you about
the wide receiver position. One, why can't Kayshawn Boody? I
know they're different types of wide receiver, but why can't
Kayshawan Boody have a similar career trajectory as a Nicocollins
who came into the league a late round draft pick
and a project guy, and then year three he really

(01:59:24):
blew up onto the scene.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
I mean, do you see the same physical characteristics with
those two players?

Speaker 18 (01:59:31):
No, And I said that they're not the same type
of player. But I saw Nico Collins play at Michigan
who was not a very explosive receiver all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
But he's a pretty imposing receiver. Would you say, like
just physically he would.

Speaker 18 (01:59:48):
Say just physically six four, Yeah, he's a pretty big guy.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
Yeah, I mean that would be my only, my only thing.
But I mean your larger point is is not off.
I think that's why Evan and I thought it would
be a little bit early to put the plug on that,
because I do think there's a chance that he's still ascending.
We don't know exactly. I think he got better from
year one to year two, will he get better again
from year two to year three?

Speaker 6 (02:00:10):
Or even if he's just the guy that he is now,
Like if you're not feeding that position one hundred and
fifty targets in the season and that's more of like
a secondary position in your offense, then Kishon Boody can
be a third receiver on in your offense. Is he
the high volume guy? No, But if Diggs is going
to be that or digs in a rookie are going

(02:00:31):
to be that, then the booty's just the other guy
that's kind of out there.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
And when did Collins get drafted, by the way, do you.

Speaker 6 (02:00:38):
Remember, I want to say, third round?

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
Yeah, that's a lot earlier than the sixth.

Speaker 6 (02:00:43):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, like Nico Collins is six',
four the four to, four like he's kind of LIKE
Dk metcalf his.

Speaker 4 (02:00:50):
Size, Yeah i'll keep my thoughts as to different versions
Of Nico collins off the. YEAR i don't have to,
know BUT i Guess i'm wondering maybe if he learned
something at THE nfl level.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Too all, right that's gonna be it for this. Show
catch twenty two is on at noon. Tomorrow More draft talk.
Tomorrow On, thursday we will not be on at our
normal time at noon because it's The. Draft we'll be
live at. Seven we'll have video for the first hour
and then lead rules say we need to shut off the.

(02:01:19):
Video video will still be on patrios dot com, though and,
YouTube it'll just be shut off for social. Media so
if that's how you consume, us you'll have to go
To patriots dot com old fashioned. YouTube but we will
be On thursday night as we always, are for the
duration of the first. Round we'll have. Everything we'll Have
Mike rabel after the. Pick he's supposed to come on,

(02:01:42):
live so we'll carry that. Live we'll cut away to
the draft party to see what's going on over. There
so it's a big. Night draft show is always one
of our favorite shows that we, do our favorite show
from our listeners and viewers as, well so Can't, wait
don't know What i'm gonna wear. Yet hit that, Out,
paul what are you? Wearing?

Speaker 6 (02:02:02):
Same probably a quarter.

Speaker 3 (02:02:03):
Zip put a quarter zip from you, know some allegiance
that you.

Speaker 4 (02:02:06):
Have MAYBE i don't, Know i'll give it some. Thought,
okay Maybe i'll wear The. Citadel you're gonna go with
the citadel at The?

Speaker 6 (02:02:14):
Citadel you can lay it out the night before ON
i do.

Speaker 4 (02:02:17):
Not That's.

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
Fred, yeah all, right we will see you On thursday
Night catch twenty two. Tomorrow thanks for listening, today see you. Then,
hey this Is. Fred thanks for tuning into the. Show
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Speaker 9 (02:02:49):
Lot Patriots catch twenty two will Join Evan lazar And

(02:03:30):
Alex bart Every thursday as they take a deep dive
into the exits and o's trends and Latest New England
patriots roster.

Speaker 6 (02:03:36):
Moves And i'm usually into the.

Speaker 3 (02:03:38):
Numbers, okay we do this ALL i meant the tangible
numbers there's there's time.

Speaker 6 (02:03:43):
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Speaker 4 (02:03:44):
ADVANTAGE i haven't to work.

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It i'm surprised you know an old man over. HERE
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