April 10, 2025 • 48 mins
The guys discuss the importance of top 30 visits as another QB made a trip to the facility, review a top 100 listing, and make some bold predications for the first round of the draft
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is
the Matt Williamson and Matt Today Thursday, as expected, Colorado
quarterback Shador Sanders visited the Steelers, as did pit safety
Donovan McMillan. That's a local visit, right, yeah, yeah, so
they get that one for free, so why not and
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Sanders is you know, they about the I don't know,
fourth or fifth quarterback who has come in Yeah, yeah
for a visit, or they even more that they've gone
to the pro days and things of that nature. They're
doing the due diligence on the quarterback class.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, I mean, i'd even say more than that, you know,
I mean not every year do they bring in pretty
much all the top dudes not named cam Ward, you know,
I mean, they're they're.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Not just the top. They've they've gone through all the dudes.
Yeah right, like you're going you know, first round guys,
second round guys.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
In early darts on the list. I don't know if
you'll end up getting here or not, who knows, I
think you said McCord is on the list. Dart was here,
Dart was here. Okay, okay, you think the cords scheduled
or something is scheduled. If that happens, they took Mill
Road to dinner. Yeah, I mean, so they're they're in
on all these guys. They saw Howard at the Ohio
State Pro Day. They yeah, yeah, they've they're they they're
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dialed in for sure. They're looking and they should. I mean,
there is a quarterback need you know, a young quarterback need?
I mean, right now you have Rudolph. I'm still operating
under the assumption Aaron Rodgers will be a Steeler one
of these days. But if not, I'm sure cousins or
car somebody else will be. But certainly they're gonna need
to get a young one this year or next year.
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I think next year makes a lot more sense. But
there's a price for everybody. And I do find it
interesting that Shador just through looking at her through his eyes,
like when this process started a couple of months.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Ago, he only wanted to I talked to you. I
talked to you.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I mean, you're a top five pick, so maybe you
know you know, And now it's like I'm getting a
little nervous here. He wants to talk to me. Yeah,
I'm looking for a job here. So I do think
the draft. I want to talk about Sanders more too,
But I do think the draft sets up to be
a little more interesting now with Frankly, I would I
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was hoping the Browns or the Giants, especially the Browns
would have taken Sanders because I'm not big on them,
but it also would have I don't think that's going
to happen. I think they're gonna take the two premium
guys in some way, shape or form, Carter and Hunter
go two and three. But I do think there's a
lot of Brown's and Giants aggression to get back for
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the Darts and Sanders or Chuck Milroth got a ton
of picks, and just think of it if you're I mean,
they're so ownership ribbon, get the stink out of the Watson,
you know, out of your fan base. And if you
could get both Colorado guys to come in the building,
no matter what it costs, whether it's good business or not,
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people be pretty excited in Cleveland, you know, and hey,
they got the picks to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I just I don't know how high up they
would have to go to do it. I saw a
mock draft I can't remember who did it. Was that
the one that Dane did Brugler where he had them
trading up to fifty.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I sent you one from mcshay's. Both Giant Browns traded
back into round one, which I think again, I think
ownership putting a lot of pressure on these teams to
get their quarterback. Now. Yeah, and you.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Know that's again if you're looking at next year for
the Steelers, that's going to be the situation they'll be
in next where they could be that aggressive. Yeah, right right,
because you've got all those extra picks.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And I think that's the time to do it. People know,
I am infatuated a little with Milroe. I like Shock,
but I'm not talking about trading at seven to get
those guys. I mean, like, you know, getting in real high.
My problem with Sanders and Dart is I don't think
their ceilings high enough. You know, like, if I'm going
to really take a swing, I'm trying to hit this
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one out of the park.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, here's one of the issues I have with a
guy like Dart. He's been a warm weather quarterback his
entire life.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, the whather stuff worries me a little bit for
both those guys.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And then you know, Sanders, while he did play in
Colorado the last two years, you know, I don't know
that he throws the ball well enough. I don't cut
the wind in a you know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Josh Allen, Ben Roethlisberg or like fashion. That worries me too.
And what I like about Sanders game is he is
He's not a power thrower, but he is a very
accurate timing touch, good arc on the ball, whether he's
moving or in the pocket. Throws the football well. It's
completion percentage is really really high. But like all these
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quarterbacks and more so a lot of function, there's a
lot of screens, and there's a lot of where's Travis,
let's get let's throw to ball Travis and he'll save me,
you know. And they didn't. They didn't protect well. So
the ball came out quick a lot. But when it didn't,
you got a lot of sacks. And they were a
lot of them on him. I see him drifting backwards
in the pocket a lot. That's like pocket mismanagement.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
One O one nature Mahomes can get away with that
because because they've he's got the arm right backwards.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And yeah, I mean you're begging for sacks. So there's
a lot that I have. I don't think he's a
high enough ceiling and darts the same way with you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
You took that swing already with Kenny Pickett, And even
when they took Kenny Pickett, all along pretty consistently said that,
you know, his ceiling is cousins, cousins. Yeah, you know,
you know he's gonna be Andy Dalton or someone that
that was what you were looking. Okay, at that point
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in that situation where Ben Roethlisberger had just retired, you
would have taken that. Sure, sure, you know, okay, just
give me, you know, average quarterback play. I've got a
good defense, I've got everything around this guy. Now I
want more.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's a thing. Yeah. And oh, by the way, the
quarterbacks you're competing with on a week to week, let
alone year to year divisional basis isn't fun.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well just look, I mean their last three playoff losses.
Since everybody likes to f on that, Patrick Mahomes, ye,
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's who. That's who you've lost to in the player
you get, Oh, they eliminate every year. Well to those guys.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, to those guys, and the only guys who've eliminated
those guys are those guys, right, the only to.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Ever beat those dudes and those dudes. So, is there
any possible way that we can get that guy in Pittsburgh.
There's a way. I mean, it doesn't mean you got
to take a big bite at the apple, not a
lot of little ones, you know. I mean, you gotta
take a big bite. And again, if you think Milroe
might be that guy years from now, I'm in. Otherwise,
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I'm trading up to the six pick in the draft
next year, no matter what it costs me. If there's
a dude I love there, you know, or whatever, you
got it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I mean, there's got to be a the depth. You're
not going to get the number one probably not right
unless you're going to give up multiple first left.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So many injuries. Yeah, you know you can't start at
twenty and get the number one. Yeah, it's just not possible.
But if there's three if the Josh Allen year, yeah,
if there's.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Three or four quarterbacks in next year's draft, yeah you
can get into that top ten and maybe get that guy,
because all those teams picking in the top ten next
year aren't going to be in need of a quarterback. Right,
Are the Tennessee Titans going to be picking outside the
top ten next year? I don't think, right, Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
There'll be two or three new teams that arise, you know,
is that the Saints, the Colts, you know, you know,
who knows. But the six teams that took one two
years ago, I'd have to say it unlikely to be
going to do it. Yeah, maybe Carolina would if Bryce
Young falls on his face if they're pick them first
or second, But that that's a story for another day.
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But even if like the Browns or Giants trade up
for Dart or Sanders or Shock or whatever, they probably
got another year of sitting on those dudes. Yeah, and
Tennessee does for sure. Right, So I just think you
might be one of five, right, you know?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, And that doesn't even count the musical chairs that
happen with the veteran guys, right right, you know, there
there may be somebody out there again. Nobody saw Geno
Smith getting moved this year, right.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Right, right, So there is that stuff, But I'm not
super interested in a Geno Smith ceiling, you know, and
I love you. He's a really good play.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Trading for Geno Smith.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's different world.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Is a different world than than drafting Geno Smith in
the first.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Round, right, even at twenty one. Yeah, let alone putting
your chips in for next year. Yeah, because there might
not be anyone there next year. I mean again, it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Might not be who knows who, just don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
But I'm not going to settle for a lead off
walk with Sanders or Dark.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know, it's a good start, it's not the start.
I need to beat Burrow or Lamar. And the other
thing about it is if you take that guy at
twenty one and everything that you see it, well, he'll
be a you know, in two years or three years,
he'll be he'll be a good average starter. I need
to am bigger than that. Yeah, two or three years,
you're gonna have an average starter, right again, I just
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need the upside more than.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Two or three years from now. Cam Hayward's retired, right yeah,
you know, TJ. Watt's going to be on his way,
you know, to retirement camps age, you know, right, Like,
I'm not interested in two or three years and now
I want to win now.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I want to win now, and I want a guy that,
when they're long gone, can be Ben Roethlisberger and put
a cape on you know, right, I need a guy
for the next fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Because I'm gonna lose those two corner pieces, lose everything.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping this guy last outlass outlast
every one's on the team right now.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Right, I'm trying to build that.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I want to play over a decade. A.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I want that next cornerstone. I'm like, d yes, if
I can get that at twenty one this year, which defensively, this.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Is a We've talked a lot about this draft. Yeah,
I think red paint, paint the barn red.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Last year's draft was more of an offensive draft. Tackles
and tackles and receivers and quarterbacks. Yeah, this year's the opposite,
no question, D line, D line, edge rushers. You know,
even and as strong as running back is, I can
still find a running back. You know, like, who cares
if it's a big, strong running back class when you're
looking at big picture. But you know when you talk
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about who's top one hundred, were you talking about it
the other day? That you know thirty nine guys in
the top one hundred are going to be defensive pass rushers. Yeah,
some type big guys or edge rushers. That's the strength
of this draft. Get two of them, right, you know,
so no, and we do that all the time. I mean,
there's so many D linemen here, you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Again. If Shador falls the twenty one that's an interesting
I would consider it. It's an interesting conversation, you know.
But you snatch him up. You're definitely not trading back.
If he's at your pick, take him at twenty one,
and then my first D lineman's third round, kind of
like eighty three. Yeah, you know, and there's some good
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players there. But the next game, Hayward's not there.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
No, you know, no, you may get it. You may
get a nose tackle, yeah yeah, and okay, your defense
will be okay, you're happy taking a fourth round running.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Back, right, right, you know, it's just a sudden it's like.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The fits don't match up real.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, right, you're not adding enough to this class for
today too. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Now that being said, again, I don't want to talk
out of both sides of my mouth. You're getting Flotano
this year. You're getting Roman Wilson this year. You got
nothing out of either one of those guys last year,
and even you know, Watson and Lee and Lee and
guys like that, that did nothing for you as rookie.
So you're gonna get something out of those guys. You
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could kind of roll those into this year's rookie class.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's why it doesn't break my heart if this is
only a six or seven player draft, right you know,
it doesn't need to be ten, but tens better. Ten's better.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I want, I want the quality. I want to I
want the guys who we're going to help me now,
not three years.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
From now, which is why they made the Metcalf trade. Yeah,
you know, as opposed to I don't know they couldhurt.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
They drafted a receiver in the second round. There's gonna
be plenty of guys available in that second round.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Right that, Or you could take one the first. If
you didn't a Metcalf, you'd almost have to take one
in the first or strongly considered.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
A strong consideration. Now it's not. It just isn't unless
you're gonna move Pickens. And I don't think they're gonna
move Pickens.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I don't either, So back to the Sanders visit and
all visits. I've been meaning to say this on the
show for a while because I was lucky enough that
you were with the Browns to kind of be on
the other side of this, and because Dane said this
on the podcast yesterday I was listening to and I
just want to cut and paste what he said. He's like,
people look at these thirty visits the wrong way. If
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you're a thirty visit, that doesn't mean we like you.
That means we're interested in you either. We have interest
to find out more about injuries, arm length questions, get
you on the white board, personality fit, whatever. And Dane
said after that, after he said that, which I think
is great because I know it's true, he said, so
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many teams get in touch with me after thirty visits
and say I erase their name from the board. The
second day walked out of the facility, like is he
a scheme? Is he a personality and scheme fit for us?
The answer is not always yes, right, you might just
be like I don't want to be.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Here's the thing. You only get so many sit down
interviews at the combine, right, and they're short, and they're short. Yeah,
and so you may not, or maybe you sat down
with somebody at the Senior Bowl or the East West
Shrine Bowl and they're short meetings, they're speed dating. Yeah,
and I want to know, I gotta know more about
this guy. Yeah, you know, are we going to eliminate him?
Are we gonna take him off our board completely? Or
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we're gonna bump him? Especially for times a thousand fits quarterback. Yeah,
and Sanders is a big personality.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That can be fine. Yeah, she's changed two programs. Is
he going to take us to the Promised Land? Maybe
the answer is yes, maybe he walks out of the like that.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Here's the change, changing two programs.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It bothers me, especially the first one.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But you Colorado's record the last two years was I
think it's a little over five hundred thirteen and eleven.
And I understand they were they were dead in the
water right bottom. But he wasn't the only one to
transferred in there either.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well. I also think with all respect to the historically
black colleges and Jackson State, and there's some great players
that came out of there. Absolutely, but if you put
the best recruit in the country, which was Travis Hunter,
which was Travis Hunter and another four star quarterback to
that program. You better turn it around, like you're kind
of cheap, you know, like if you put the best
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baseball player in Double A, I bet he's pretty good. Yeah,
you know, I mean that's kind of what they did.
Put it this way.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I mean, when when when Mason Miller got to Waynesburg
and he wasn't what he isn't what, he wasn't super recruit, right,
but he had you saw some tools there. I mean
he's six five and but he had he had diabetes. Yeah,
once they figured out the diabetes stuff and he starts
throwing in the mid nineties that with Division III baseball,
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he doesn't belong.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But yeah, he was just blowing guys away. That's what
you would expect. That's what you're looking for with any
prospect at a lower level. I want to see them
dominate at that lower level, right.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, can you imagine Hunter at that? Come on,
I mean it probably wasn't even fun for Yeah, you know,
so you should turn that program. You should turn it around.
But to say that, well, Schaud to Sanders turned this around.
I saw a tweet from somebody that said Dad did
something to do, and they decided to spend money.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Shadoor Sanders legendary. It was a tweet from NFL dot
com Shadoor Sanders legendary career at Colorado. I'm like, are
we just pinning legendary on everything?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Now? I'm not blaming. I'm not blaming should Door. No, No,
he was good college player.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Tweet that out, and I'm like, really legendary, I.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Mean Hunters is a little more legendary, I would say.
So he won the Hei won the highsman in the
year that genty was in maniac Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Right, two thousand yards right, and he won the high
one because he was the best receiver in football in
the best cornerback.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, never left the field, right, Like that's legendary, right right, right?
That sometimes we throw those words around the little too much,
way too much. But no, I mean I don't dislike
Shdoor Sanders' I don't either. I just want to him higher.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I just yeah, I just don't know that that's what
I want to do this year with.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
This particular team, especially know in the resources next year too.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, I would be much more interested in, you know, again,
addressing some of those needs and then taking the quarterback.
You're gonna they're gonna have a fourth quarterback in camp.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And assuming Aaron Rodgers signs with this team, Sanders wouldn't
play a snap this year. No, he might not. Probably
wouldn't even be the two. I mean that's a debate. Yeah,
it doesn't do much for me unless the unless I
think he could be the best player in league, which
I don't think he can. Yeah, this is not you know,
taking Patrick Mahomes and letting him say here, that's a
different story. Or Josh Allen really could have sat his
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first year, he'd been much better off, you know. But anyway,
Lamar basically sat mosters for Yeah, he did, right, So,
I mean I get it. If he had a ceiling
like those guys cool, I'm interested, right, ye knowe the ceiling.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here
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with more right after this.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
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Speaker 3 (17:46):
And we are back. I'm Dale, Lolli. He is the
Matt Williamson and Matt on the message board today.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You get a chuckle out of.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
This once again, somebody ripping us for some Graham stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
That's that all the draft pundits and all the NFL
teams have have him ranked as the number one defensive tackle. Well,
first of all, you don't know where the NFL teams
have him ranked at. Somebody's putting out a list and
saying here all the.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Here's the chiefs board. Right, they don't publish that stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I get all the draft pundits have him where they're at.
But the thing that kind of ticked me off about
the whole thing was, you guys are just a couple
of radio hosts doing this. I'm like, Matt worked for
an NFL team. I've covered this team for thirty three years.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Right right, I mean, they just find it. We didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You guys didn't play the game. Neither did any of
those other draft analysts for the most part that you're
talking about, who have these guys ranked?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Well? And the other thing too, is if I were,
and we do for our Triple Take series, we do
a generic defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Ranking right, And they all had Mason Graham as the
number one guy.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
He was two for me. I had him behind Nolan,
you know. I mean, I'm just talking about where we
had him going in our mock drafts. Oh, in our mocks.
I was talking about my detackle rankings. But if you
would through a team, it's way different. It's mean, Daniel
Jeremiro tell you that when I did it by the Ravens,
it's different than.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I explain that all along. I'm looking at this through
a Steelers lens right right, not an overall picture lens.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Right. If I'm doing uh Peacock and Williamson, that's a
national show and they say who your top five defensive tackles. Well,
in a generic world, he'd be number two for the Steelers.
He isn't. Yeah, yeah, man. It's just way that hard.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Which brings me to Eric ed Holmes top one hundred
okay on NFL dot com, and he has Abdull Carter
number one.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I have a hard time with that.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Carter just went through the medical recheck today.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Oh did he okay?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Came off clean?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
He's not going to need surgery.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
On the foot on the foot, okay, Okay, so I
assume we'll be getting a lot of those type of things. Yeah,
you know, Will Johnson's gonna run and.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, that's gonna happen, I think next week.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, like what's Rebel's injury and those type of dudes.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Same thing with the Notre Dame cornerback. Those guys are
all going to start doing some stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Just do his late as possible, right, you can give
you more healing time.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
But I guess the medical rechecks in Indiana Napolis for today.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh okay, so all the we shol probably explain that
a little bit, like if you get flagged in Indie,
they basically tell you we're going to invite ten twenty.
I don't know how many.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It was a month ago.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It was a month ago.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So now you get to come back a month later
and they check and see where you're at in your
healing pro.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And I don't think all thirty two teams send a
doctor to that. I think they just share information. Maybe
they do. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I would want to have somebody there. I would do
at least my you know, I would have my at
least my trainers there to take a look someone I trust, right,
somebody who's can relay the inform I don't know if
I need my doctors there, but I want my at
least my trainers there that can then send the information
back to my doctors. And yeah, I didn't know who
actually does the checks in terms of what doctor staff,
but yeah, I guess it's it'd be smart to have
someone from every team, you know, anybody like hiding information.
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They don't want John stalwarth this thing, right, somebody the tape,
and plus everyone deciphers these things different, right, that's here's
the knee information. Team doctor one says, don't live with that. Yeah, yeah,
right right, and Team doctor two says, that's why you
get second opinions.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
On snow right, these aren't you know? In Stone he
has Travis Hunter number two. I wonder if there is
a list of who was there today. I bet that's
hard to find. It's probably, yeah, he probably have a
pretty good idea. If they haven't done any workouts yet,
something from one of the teams. It might have to
give us that.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Ashton gent three, who is to Travis. Yeah, okay, here's
Mason Graham four bumping him up a spot.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Fine. I'm not sure who four should be. I just
will say problem with this draft. That's my thing is
most years, there's no way he's four. Yeah, yeah, he's
not over like Marvin Harrison junior last year. That's even what.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
So here's here's what that at home rights the draft's
best three technique. Although Graham's shorter arms thirty two inches
and some three hundred pound frame are reasons to worry.
I don't think he's a typical top five prospect, but
he lands here in this draft class that isn't overwhelming
with blue chip talent.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, I think it's a bad year to pick four
to twelve. Yeah, it's real bad.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You're no man's land.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Like people say, this is a terrible draft. Not all,
but it's a terrible draft to not have a premium
pick but then be the next bad team.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And here's why, Like, all right, you're gonna get your
choice of the best of everybody.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Else Membo and Campbell or who are good prospects, sure,
but they're not blue chip prospects that you usually get
picking that high right, right, That's why I think Genti's.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
You're not taking them as the last time the last
time the Steelers earned a top to top ten pick
was in two thousand and they're picking you know, they
picked Plexico Buris instead of Brian Urlacker.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, yeah, that was your you know, and that's the
kind of what you're looking at. Those those are both
blue chip guys and they both were Pro bowlers and
Lacker goes the Hall of Fame and right, they're a
big time Like that's what you want picking in the
top terrorist comes out of this draft. He's the first
year taken. Yeah, I mean, he'd be a consideration four
to the Patriots, right, you know, but they don't have
that option.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That's not the option this year. That's not what's available
in this in this draft.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That so I think Gent's gonna go early. Yeah, At
five he upp a spot. He has Jlen Walker there.
They're sure sounds like a lot of buzz that he's
going to go really high, But there aren't many people
his size that get double digit sacks every year. This
is true.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
At six down two spots is Tyler Warren the Penn
State tight end.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Fine with it. I think he's similar to a Bowers level,
but I would rather out of a higher grade on Bowers.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
He has armand Membo and Will Campbell. At seven and eight,
the two offensive tackles, no real shocks yet, and again
they wouldn't have been either. One of those guys would
be in the top five tackles from last year's draft.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
No, I don't know if you read that much of
the Beast. I'd just been scanning it. But he mentioned
Dane mentioned that Membo has a lot of tan who
can you know, similarities like initial quickness, decent army and he's.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Only played right tackle that Atlayed had played left tack he.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Would go ahead of both these dudes. Yeah, he would.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
At nine. He has Will Johnson, the cornerback from Michigan. Yeah,
that workout is coming April fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I have a real problem with how he played this year, though,
the more work I've done on him, He's preserving his
body a lot and turning down tack. He made some
business issues, yeah, and some of his injuries. Would he
have played through last year's tape was awesome or the
twenty twenty three tape was really good.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
At teny as cam Ward, He's going.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
To would have him higher just because I think he's
a top five pick any year he comes out where
these other dudes aren't. Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Eleven is Colston Loveland to tight end out of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think both both the tight ends are really solid prospects,
are high quality dudes.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Twelve is Teed McMillan, the Arizona wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
That's his first receiver though.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Thirteen up, four spots is mikel Williams.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
He had rusher out of your JA. I wonder how
injured he was. I mean that'd be a great answer.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, he didn't test as well as you thought he
was going to be freaky. Fourteen is Matthew Golden, wide
receiver out of Texas. Fifteen is Shamar Stewart the Texas
A and m ag rusher.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Like would you take Stuart or Williams. Neither are gonna
be Steelers. I mean those two edge guys, Michael Williams.
Michael Williams better football player. It's a better foot yeah, yeah,
not by a lot, right, right, right, yeah, I mean
you're projecting a lot of projecting a lot of projection.
It's sixteen down three spots. Is Mike Green the edge
(25:39):
rusher out of Marshall. If he's clean, I bet he
goes higher than that.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, and there's some stuff in his background.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, I mean he even addressed it. He was accused
of sexual assault twice, one in high school, one at
his first college I think it was Virginia. Yeah, and
he went to the podium and said, yeah, that's what happened.
I wasn't. I wasn't either, right, right, but teams will
know all about it.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Seventeen up a spot is Tyler Booker, the guard one.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I think it's pure guards, the pure guarden. And he's
such style. Yeah, right, with all the outside zone stuff,
he doesn't fit that. At eighteen, I think he's gonna
be the Ravens first round pick. Maybe that's a their
type of move.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Up eleven spots, John ay Barron.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I mean he's more zone than man, but he does
a lot of things. Well, yeah, it takes the ball away. Yeah,
I'd be shocked if he busts.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
At nineteen Up three spots. Derek Harmon.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It does seem to be a little more.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
He's got the prototypical size.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
The length helps yeah yeah, yeah. At twenty hard to
wonder if I would take Harmon over Grant just because
it's easier to find. No, I mean, just how the
rest of.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
The rest of the draft. Twenty down four spots is
Malachi Starks, safety out of Georgia. Yeah, you think he's
pretty safe. At twenty one down a spot is je
Hud Campbell, the Alabama linebacker. At twenty two down three
spots is Calvin Banks, the offensive lineman out of Texas.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Found it interesting that Dane put him in the guards. Yeah,
it could be he could be at twenty but Jackson
with the tackles Don Jackson. Twenty three down two spots
is Nick Muari, the safety out of South Carolina. You
think he goes ahead of Starks.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I just think I think guys who've shown that they
can play the deep middle like that are more valuable.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Than I just wonder.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, his freaky that's on who needs what? Ye, that's
a big part of it. At twenty four down a
spot is Donovan Azerreku, the Boston College edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
He seems pretty safe too. I'm not sure what negatives
we got on that he's.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Not huge variety of pass rushman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Twenty
five up a spot is Luther Burden, the wide receiver
at of Missouri.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You hear a lot of stuff with him too, Not
that he's yeah into jail or anything, but he's about
himself and Yeah, not easy to be around. You know
a lot of receivers like that. Yeah, I say he
wouldn't be the first year right now, Fisher, you know
at twenty six up seven spots, Walter Nolan, the defensive
tackle out of Mississippi, He's moved, He's moved down, He's moved. Yeah.
(28:17):
I just feel like there's misinformation out there or somebody's playing.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I think that's what was going on with Walter Nolan
is that early in the process, a lot of people
were looking, Okay, it's a really good player, and then
you heard, well there's some off the field stuff, and
so people started moving him down.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That was like he's been at five schools in six years,
going back to high school. Okay, he was a lot
of guys have done that. I mean he's also made
if Paramount Dart did that, yeah, right right, Like we
were talking about Nolan the day on my podcast and
I threw out there, I'm like, well Rob Gronkowski grew
up in Buffalo but moved to Woodland Hills for his
last year. Yeah, to get exposed, you know, I mean,
like changing high schools. It's not like it It's not
(28:54):
like the Bengals re Stiver from BAM MCT Burton. Yeah,
I mean he wasn't getting kicked out of schools and
kick out as different as way different.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And Nolan left Texas A and M when their defensive
line coach got fired.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah. Yeah, they didn't like, say you got to go right.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I mean he said, oh you're firing the coach, I'm
going to go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And in today's world, if you're the top recruit in
the country, I mean he's making money for a while now. Yeah,
he's like a yours or I mean serious money.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Twenty seven down, two spots is James Pierce. He's won
to Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It happened to bring this up because were talking about
Nolan versus Pierce character wise, and we were talking about
Green today too, and it sounds like nobody likes Pierce,
you know, like he just is in his apartment by himself.
Like he sounds like he's highly unlikable, not that he's
a bad guy, but like no one wants to be
his teammate.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Okay, you know, I mean the tape is good and
he's smooth at twenty eight down, four spots, Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
That's about right. Yeah, Sometimes see him like forty forty five.
I don't unders do that. Yeah, I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And again and once you get past that, that top
five or six, these guys are all gonna have similar grades.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
They are.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
They are twenty nine up a spot is a mecca.
Egbuca will receive right of Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I wonder it's back to the gentee conversation. My teams
just take safe picks like him, you know, like I
know I'm not hitting a home run this year. I
always be happy with him.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Egbuka's game is clean, consistent, and well rounded. I think
he'd be a perfect fit as a Tyler Boyd like
slot weapon and number three option, taking that in the
first round. Right, No, I think he's better than that.
I mean that's but right, he's not. He's never going
to be a number one. He was never a number
one in college.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
No, right, right?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Agree At thirty down three spots. Josh Simmons, the offensive
tackle of Ohio State. We'll see how the.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Medical recess information out there.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Thirty one down three spots. So Marion Hampton, running back
out of North Carolina solid. Thirty two down a spot.
Maxwell Harriston the cornerback out of Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Just looking at him a little more yesterday too, and
you know who John Ledgard did. Yeah, he compared him
to Jackson, who was a Steeler last year. Not in
a good way necessarily. I mean he's really fast. He
flies around the field, but he's just not missing tackles
and bounces off things and sometimes gets run over in
(31:24):
the run game. And that's what he is.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, it's a cover cornerback.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
At thirty three.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Said that, I'm like, oh, that's exactly who he is. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Thirty three up two spots is Shdor Sanders.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I may even have him earlier than that. I mean,
I think he's a starting NFL quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
At thirty four, holding steady, Josh Connerley, the offensive tackle
of Oregon.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
He's one that could go a lot higher than you think. Amazing,
he's an athlete. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Thirty five down three spots is grays Abel, the offensive
lineman from North Dakota State. Interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Thirty six up two spots.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
J T.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Twomloa the it's pretty early edge rusher out of Ohio State.
Thirty seven down a spot is Donovan Jackson, the Ohio
State offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay, a lot offensive, A lot of Ohio State guys
are well represented after winning national title.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
At thirty eight down a spot is Mason Taylor, the
tight end U of LSU.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I think he's safe too. Yeah. Thirty nine is Landon Jackson,
the edge rusher out of Arkansas. I can see people
all over the board on him too. Yeah. I mean
I'm not sure what he'd even do here, but some
teams are be like, sign me up. He's a four
to three defensive end all day. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, forty and that doesn't fit this scheme folkus
not so much. Up three spots is Trevon Henderson, the
Ohio State running back.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Forty one is Chavon Revel Junior, the East Carolina cornerback.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I don't know if you'll know any more about him
or not.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
He probably goes somewhere early in day two. Yeah, just
because I can't use a first round pick on a
guy come off in ACL, but I can use a
second round pick on him.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That could be a number one corner possibly, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Forty two is tay Leek Williams, the defensive tackle from
Ohio State. I'm a big fan, and they said his
h he pulled up blame at the Ohio State Pro Day.
They they're saying that it was a cramp.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Okay, so fair enough. He's one that if the steels
traded down pretty heavy, like out of the first round,
and that was my first pick, I'd understand. Now, cool
with it, right. Forty three is Carson Sweasinger. He has
a chance to sneak in the first linebackers are top.
That's real tough.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Forty four is Jackson Dart.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
That's about right. I mean again, if I used a
mid second rounder on him and sat him for a year, okay,
I mean that's cool, But the middle of the first round. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
And here's what he says about him.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
There's plenty of round one buzz building mock draft in
the mock draft building world for Dart, who's always who
has an above average arm, good but not great athleticism
in a decent frame. I'm always just left wanting to
see a little bit more anticipation in big plays out
of structure on tape. He could be a starter in
a year or two.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Really bad deep passer. Yeah, I mean like he has tools,
but they're all B minus tools. I mean, none of them.
I mean he's good across the board physically, but I
don't see any great trait. Forty five is Jack Sawyer.
That's overrated.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Forty six is Nick Scourton. I'd have Scourton over yeah, yeah, yeah.
Forty seven down six spots is azerie A Thomas.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I assume he dingdam because of his forty He plays
slow too. I mean he ran four to six at
a pro day, yeah, which is probably a four to
six five right.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Forty eight down nine spots is Caleb Johnson, the running
back out of.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I bet he's gonna be good, yeah, like go to
two Pro Bowls and have a good career.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You know the problem with the Iowa running backs and
the same thing you don't see any Iowa receivers in
this draft. They don't throw the football.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, a certain sign. I don't know if he can
pass block. I don't know if he can catch the
ball out of the Backfield's a great point, right, Like
they just don't do it. This is on tape. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Forty nine up three spots is Arianta Urser, the offensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Wonder he was higher than you think too. I could
see him going big athlete. I could see him going
early round two. Yeah, Like, if he goes the top
five picks in the first round and the second round,
I'm like, oh, I understand.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
And then fifty is Benjamin Morrison, the Notre Dame cornerback.
He's working out April twenty first.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay, good, I'm kind of rooting for him.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Trey Amos, who the Steelers had in earlier this week,
the cornerback out of Mississippi, is fifty one. Alfred Collins
up nine spots to fifty three, the defensive tackle out
of Texas.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I think he's early to mid second round.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Quin Shawn Judkins, the other Ohio State running back, is
fifty four.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Let's see who else interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Jayden Higgins, who the Steelers had in for a visit,
is at fifty eight. The wide receiver out of Iowa State,
Jalen Noel, his teammate, down fourteen spots verse sixty.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
He seems to be gaining steam.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I would have thought, Yeah, let's see here, who else
was in? We get TJ. Sanders, who we haven't talked
a ton about. He's at sixty three on this list.
The defensive tackle out of South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
In most years, he would be five defensive tackle spots higher.
Than that. Yeah, he might be your DT five on
a generic board.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, let's see here. Jaln Milroe comes in at sixty eight.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I can see people all over the board. I totally
understand that. You run the shock yet or is he
below that? He's below that.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Jalen Royals, the Utah State wide receiver, is at sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
That's down eleven spots. Stain at him really high, I
live or six. I like him as a player too.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Ousie Trapio, the offensive tackle out of Boston College, might
be the biggest riser in this whole thing. Well, no,
there's somebody laughter. This up thirteen spots. He didn't have
Isaiah Bond, the Texas wide receiver, in his first top
one hundred list. He's got him coming in at seventy one.
So he jumped a bunch.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
He's another one. I think they'll be mixed feelings on
any what you're looking for. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Josh Farmer is at seventy two. The defensive tackle of
Florida State who was in earlier this week. Dylan Sampson,
who visited the Steelers, the running back out of Tennessee.
He is at seventy four.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I think day at him as his fifth or running back. Yeah,
real high, good player. Yeah yeah, another one. I see
a lot of mixed opinions.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
On Savion Williams, the TCU wide receiver who was one
of the early visits for the Steelers. Is it seventy five?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Weird one?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, Darius Alexander falls eight spots to seventy six for
the Toledo defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
But she was a little younger. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Uh elkay Minor, that's one of my visits. Down to
seventy eight, Thank you much.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
The balls ahead of them. Yeah, I'm a big fan.
Good player. Let's see here.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Tyler Schuck comes in at eighty two.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
He's the next one behind Milra. Yeah yeah, Steelers pick
at eighty three. Yeah yeah yeah. If you got the
line in the first round and didn't move around, I'd
be fine with that. Let's see here. Who else we got.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Jacob Parrish, the k State cornerback, is at eighty six.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's another good play spots like he's another one. If
he's two inches taller, he might be a first rounder.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Charles Grant, who we take a lot in the fourth round.
That are mock drafts from William and Mary. The offensive
tackle up ten spots to eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
We were talking about him today in the podcast and
my co host like that, dude's a cheap code, a
cheap code for getting a discount franchise left tackle. Yeah yeah,
I mean like he could be really really good.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, let's see here. Ty Robinson, defensive tackle at of
Nebraska comes in at ninety five. He was on rank
before Noel Williams. We take a lot in our mid
rounds in our mock drafts. The cornerback out of col
False eleven spots to ninety six.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Gotcha, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
And Emery Jones, a guy that we've taken the top
one hund Yeah, he comes in at ninety eight, the
offensive lineman out of LSU. We usually get him in
like this round.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah yeah, I never understand that that's why we get
him a bunch. I never. He looks like a fourth
rounder to me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Cam Scatibo at ninety nine, that's down twelve spots.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
For the running. I think long term their ability is
just a concern.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Number one hundred on Eric at Holmes list of saving
on Jones, the defensive lineman from LSU.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Really interesting, super active, long edge. He might just be
a four to three end. But he's big enough he
might be able to kick inside that. That's the question
to me, you know, like, I'd love to see his
body and do they think I can add ten pounds
of muscle and can he hold up against tackles and
do the things we need him to do or is
he just a you know, attack Edges type of guy
(39:44):
upfield only? Yeah, gotta figure that out.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I mean Preston Smith, they used him in that.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, bigger than Smith. He's bigger than Smith,
longer than Smith, he's better. Smith knew all the tricks. Yeah,
and he's got some thickness and he's been around the
block and he's Grunman's strength out of Savon Jones. Oh yeah, yeah,
I don't think that's crazy. Maybe in a year now
from now two you could be your inside kick inside
guy too.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Absolutely absolutely. But that is Eric ed Holmes list on
NFL dot com interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And there wasn't anything too kooky in there.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
No, not crazy. There's some guys in there that, yeah,
you know, moving around. And the quarterback rankings were a
little different, a little different.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, I mean they weren't too crazy, but they were
pretty low on all of them. Yeah, including Sanders was
like thirty one, you know, Dart I think was well
into the forties something like that.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, so anyways, let's get it wasn't that. Yeah, let's
get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I
am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on
the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and now will be back
with more right after this.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
At He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Radio and welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is
the Matt Williamson. And uh, well, for people who don't know,
Matt and I never talk about what we're going to
talk about very rarely.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
It's pretty rare. Sometimes you know what's coming, but you know,
I just want.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
To hit him with something to get his initial reaction.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Uh So, let's go five bowld predictions.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I have to come up with five.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I'm not saying you get, no, you gotta get. You
don't have to come up with five, okay, And we're
gonna come up with five. Okay, you can start, okay,
and then we'll go to me and I'll make a
Bowl prediction and then you make.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
A bull draft stuff you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, for the first round of this draft.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
In year two thousand, I want to say something about
the quarterbacks and that they're gonna go higher than you
think in terms of Okay, I'm gonna say Sanders goes
before the Saints pick, okay, because I mean, that's obviously
a potential landing spot. Something happens. I don't know where.
(42:01):
I don't know how where. I can see the Jets
taking him. Yeah, yeah, that's that could be part of it.
Dart isn't available when the Steelers pick, and Milrod's not
lasting too long in the green room on Thursday or
on Friday. Okay, man, I don't think that's too bold.
But quarterbacks, lets go.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Okay, Yeah, I am going to go out on a
limb and say that three tight ends go in the
first round.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Wow, do you think it's Taylor or Taylor goes? I
could see Kansas City so sneaky, and I think there's
a really good chance Dallas Goddters get traded. So if
you move, I mean at thirty one thirty two good
teams A plug and play son of a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Okay, and I mean you start looking at Kansas City's
pass catchers and you're going, yeah, but if you could
get hey, we can replace Travis Kel's see eventually with
this kid.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
A couple guys that they've taken cracks on aren't going
to be it. Yeah, just dude, they did.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Fourth fifth kid has a chanced to be a real star.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah. No, I'm a big fan. And he would help
you when Super Bowl this year too, right. I want
to do something about when the third receiver comes off
the board. Okay, I think it might be a while,
and I'm not even sure Golden and Tech goes super high,
but I don't think a third one goes in the
first round. And I bet he slips out of the
(43:36):
top forty maybe.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Two receivers in the first round.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I think that's kind of a bold prediction in itself,
and it could be a weight after. Okay, I just
don't think anyone's super enamored with the receiver group.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I am going to say that half of the first round,
so sixteen picks in the first round, will be guys
that rush the passer, Okay, half of the first round.
I mean when you come up there's only like we're
(44:10):
looking at like four defensive tackles, Like right, everybody else
is going to be edge rusher or defensive end. And
I think they're gonna They're gonna be a premium. Do
you think I think we're saying like twelve of those
guys are gonna go in the first round.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
We talked to no end about the d tackles. I mean,
the four you're referring to. I think everybody knows. You know,
do you think they all going Round one?
Speaker 3 (44:28):
I think they end up going.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I think so too. I mean I think like Buffalo.
I mean, we talked about a tight end for the Eagles,
but the Eagles, if Harmon's there, Nolan's there, they're gonna
say things.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
I think you by the time we get to the
middle of the first round, you could be looking at
eight or nine, ten edge rushers, edge rushers, all the
Michael Williams and those type of dudes. There be a
huge run on those. And but in the top twenty,
I think well over half.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Of those guys are edge guys. Wow, it's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
It's hard to do, but I think there's gonna I mean,
you start looking at the team needs in that of
that group, everybody could use on everybody could use one.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Everybody could use one.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah, whether it's an end, whether it's an edge, edge rusher,
whether it's a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Right. I have a hard time come with something else.
Mm hmmm. What do you think about the running backs?
There's a handful of running back needy teams. There's a
lot of good ones. They're pretty safe.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
I think Genti's the only one that goes in around one.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Really hmm. See, I was sitting here thinking along the
same lines, but from a broader perspective of there's gonna
be few were taken in the top fifty than we
really think.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Is Omari and Hampton as good as he is, I
think he's a really good prospect. Is he better than
Nick Chubb was as a prospect coming out?
Speaker 1 (45:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Nick Chubb went to top around two.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
The problem with Chubb was nothing in the passing game.
But okay, you know, I mean, but he was I
mean that was the knockout why it was not a
first round I hear you. But he was an early two. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I think that has happening in this draft because it's
so deep. That's the thing I think, And I can
see a run on them in round two. Hmm okay,
I said, when do you think they start coming off
the board. Maybe round two is one pretty heavy, but
it wouldn't shock me if even like a Judkins last
to early three.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I got definitely see that. And like the kneels
are going in five. Yeah, you know, Scatabo going in five.
You know, like everyone even get.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
All the other stuff again, you want to get the
I gotta get an edge rusher. To get an edge
rusher running back redress, well, the running backs are really deep.
I can get a guy in the round five who's
going to come in. You know, I'm not looking for
a bell cow. I just want a guy that can
come in and help good. Yeah, but I can start
this edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Most of our mocks that we do that I'm happiest
with is when we don't do around a top fifty
pick at running back or so you know. And I
like him in and I like Judkins and all those guys,
but usually it's like I wish we were better at
the other spots and as opposed to running back. Yeah,
you know, but I think most teams will look at
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that way.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
That's five. That's five Okay, there you go. You came
up with We came up with the last one together.
Because I was about say you made me do three.
I was gonna go running back. I was going to
say something about the running backs, and then I said
one running back in the first round.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
How quick, real quick? Your tight end one has my
wheels turning. Where do you think the top four go?
Do you think they all go in like the top forty?
I think it'd be a really long wait for five.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, I think so, you know, I think I think
we could see four.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
And I think if you want one, you better grab
one of those four. Yeah. And then otherwise we didn't
get one and we got shut out. We'll take Ferguson
in the fourth or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, okay,
three tight ends.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
And remember I said three tight ends in the top
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's insane round Those two Super Bowl teams are hanging
around out there.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, I think Kansas City could definitely take right. They
can look at that offense. They could get shot out
on the offensive tackles.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
You just go, you know, it's okay. We spent money on.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Grant at the end of round two.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, yeah, right, or guard or guard. I mean they
have money invested in tackles. They're like guard is could
be a second rounder.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
So take the pass catcher and he makes Patrick mahomes
life easier.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
And again it's kind of like the Cam Hayward thing,
like who's better to learn from? Right? You know? Right? Yeah,
h Cam, Right.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
This hall of famer, teach this son of a Hall
of Famer and nephew of a Hall of.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Around and do what he does, except except the tailor switch.
That might be a little problem to I don't think
that's in the cards.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
But anyways, that's going to do it for our number
one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,
Matt and Now will be back with our number two
right after this
At least.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is
the Matt Williamson and Matt Today Thursday, as expected, Colorado
quarterback Shador Sanders visited the Steelers, as did pit safety
Donovan McMillan. That's a local visit, right, yeah, yeah, so
they get that one for free, so why not and
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Sanders is you know, they about the I don't know,
fourth or fifth quarterback who has come in Yeah, yeah
for a visit, or they even more that they've gone
to the pro days and things of that nature. They're
doing the due diligence on the quarterback class.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, I mean, i'd even say more than that, you know,
I mean not every year do they bring in pretty
much all the top dudes not named cam Ward, you know,
I mean, they're they're.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Not just the top. They've they've gone through all the dudes.
Yeah right, like you're going you know, first round guys,
second round guys.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
In early darts on the list. I don't know if
you'll end up getting here or not, who knows, I
think you said McCord is on the list. Dart was here,
Dart was here. Okay, okay, you think the cords scheduled
or something is scheduled. If that happens, they took Mill
Road to dinner. Yeah, I mean, so they're they're in
on all these guys. They saw Howard at the Ohio
State Pro Day. They yeah, yeah, they've they're they they're
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dialed in for sure. They're looking and they should. I mean,
there is a quarterback need you know, a young quarterback need?
I mean, right now you have Rudolph. I'm still operating
under the assumption Aaron Rodgers will be a Steeler one
of these days. But if not, I'm sure cousins or
car somebody else will be. But certainly they're gonna need
to get a young one this year or next year.
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I think next year makes a lot more sense. But
there's a price for everybody. And I do find it
interesting that Shador just through looking at her through his eyes,
like when this process started a couple of months.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Ago, he only wanted to I talked to you. I
talked to you.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I mean, you're a top five pick, so maybe you
know you know, And now it's like I'm getting a
little nervous here. He wants to talk to me. Yeah,
I'm looking for a job here. So I do think
the draft. I want to talk about Sanders more too,
But I do think the draft sets up to be
a little more interesting now with Frankly, I would I
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was hoping the Browns or the Giants, especially the Browns
would have taken Sanders because I'm not big on them,
but it also would have I don't think that's going
to happen. I think they're gonna take the two premium
guys in some way, shape or form, Carter and Hunter
go two and three. But I do think there's a
lot of Brown's and Giants aggression to get back for
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the Darts and Sanders or Chuck Milroth got a ton
of picks, and just think of it if you're I mean,
they're so ownership ribbon, get the stink out of the Watson,
you know, out of your fan base. And if you
could get both Colorado guys to come in the building,
no matter what it costs, whether it's good business or not,
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people be pretty excited in Cleveland, you know, and hey,
they got the picks to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I just I don't know how high up they
would have to go to do it. I saw a
mock draft I can't remember who did it. Was that
the one that Dane did Brugler where he had them
trading up to fifty.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I sent you one from mcshay's. Both Giant Browns traded
back into round one, which I think again, I think
ownership putting a lot of pressure on these teams to
get their quarterback. Now. Yeah, and you.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Know that's again if you're looking at next year for
the Steelers, that's going to be the situation they'll be
in next where they could be that aggressive. Yeah, right right,
because you've got all those extra picks.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And I think that's the time to do it. People know,
I am infatuated a little with Milroe. I like Shock,
but I'm not talking about trading at seven to get
those guys. I mean, like, you know, getting in real high.
My problem with Sanders and Dart is I don't think
their ceilings high enough. You know, like, if I'm going
to really take a swing, I'm trying to hit this
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one out of the park.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, here's one of the issues I have with a
guy like Dart. He's been a warm weather quarterback his
entire life.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, the whather stuff worries me a little bit for
both those guys.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And then you know, Sanders, while he did play in
Colorado the last two years, you know, I don't know
that he throws the ball well enough. I don't cut
the wind in a you know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Josh Allen, Ben Roethlisberg or like fashion. That worries me too.
And what I like about Sanders game is he is
He's not a power thrower, but he is a very
accurate timing touch, good arc on the ball, whether he's
moving or in the pocket. Throws the football well. It's
completion percentage is really really high. But like all these
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quarterbacks and more so a lot of function, there's a
lot of screens, and there's a lot of where's Travis,
let's get let's throw to ball Travis and he'll save me,
you know. And they didn't. They didn't protect well. So
the ball came out quick a lot. But when it didn't,
you got a lot of sacks. And they were a
lot of them on him. I see him drifting backwards
in the pocket a lot. That's like pocket mismanagement.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
One O one nature Mahomes can get away with that
because because they've he's got the arm right backwards.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And yeah, I mean you're begging for sacks. So there's
a lot that I have. I don't think he's a
high enough ceiling and darts the same way with you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
You took that swing already with Kenny Pickett, And even
when they took Kenny Pickett, all along pretty consistently said that,
you know, his ceiling is cousins, cousins. Yeah, you know,
you know he's gonna be Andy Dalton or someone that
that was what you were looking. Okay, at that point
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in that situation where Ben Roethlisberger had just retired, you
would have taken that. Sure, sure, you know, okay, just
give me, you know, average quarterback play. I've got a
good defense, I've got everything around this guy. Now I
want more.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's a thing. Yeah. And oh, by the way, the
quarterbacks you're competing with on a week to week, let
alone year to year divisional basis isn't fun.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well just look, I mean their last three playoff losses.
Since everybody likes to f on that, Patrick Mahomes, ye,
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's who. That's who you've lost to in the player
you get, Oh, they eliminate every year. Well to those guys.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, to those guys, and the only guys who've eliminated
those guys are those guys, right, the only to.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Ever beat those dudes and those dudes. So, is there
any possible way that we can get that guy in Pittsburgh.
There's a way. I mean, it doesn't mean you got
to take a big bite at the apple, not a
lot of little ones, you know. I mean, you gotta
take a big bite. And again, if you think Milroe
might be that guy years from now, I'm in. Otherwise,
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I'm trading up to the six pick in the draft
next year, no matter what it costs me. If there's
a dude I love there, you know, or whatever, you
got it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I mean, there's got to be a the depth. You're
not going to get the number one probably not right
unless you're going to give up multiple first left.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So many injuries. Yeah, you know you can't start at
twenty and get the number one. Yeah, it's just not possible.
But if there's three if the Josh Allen year, yeah,
if there's.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Three or four quarterbacks in next year's draft, yeah you
can get into that top ten and maybe get that guy,
because all those teams picking in the top ten next
year aren't going to be in need of a quarterback. Right,
Are the Tennessee Titans going to be picking outside the
top ten next year? I don't think, right, Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
There'll be two or three new teams that arise, you know,
is that the Saints, the Colts, you know, you know,
who knows. But the six teams that took one two
years ago, I'd have to say it unlikely to be
going to do it. Yeah, maybe Carolina would if Bryce
Young falls on his face if they're pick them first
or second, But that that's a story for another day.
(08:05):
But even if like the Browns or Giants trade up
for Dart or Sanders or Shock or whatever, they probably
got another year of sitting on those dudes. Yeah, and
Tennessee does for sure. Right, So I just think you
might be one of five, right, you know?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, And that doesn't even count the musical chairs that
happen with the veteran guys, right right, you know, there
there may be somebody out there again. Nobody saw Geno
Smith getting moved this year, right.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Right, right, So there is that stuff, But I'm not
super interested in a Geno Smith ceiling, you know, and
I love you. He's a really good play.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Trading for Geno Smith.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's different world.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Is a different world than than drafting Geno Smith in
the first.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Round, right, even at twenty one. Yeah, let alone putting
your chips in for next year. Yeah, because there might
not be anyone there next year. I mean again, it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Might not be who knows who, just don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
But I'm not going to settle for a lead off
walk with Sanders or Dark.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know, it's a good start, it's not the start.
I need to beat Burrow or Lamar. And the other
thing about it is if you take that guy at
twenty one and everything that you see it, well, he'll
be a you know, in two years or three years,
he'll be he'll be a good average starter. I need
to am bigger than that. Yeah, two or three years,
you're gonna have an average starter, right again, I just
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need the upside more than.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Two or three years from now. Cam Hayward's retired, right yeah,
you know, TJ. Watt's going to be on his way,
you know, to retirement camps age, you know, right, Like,
I'm not interested in two or three years and now
I want to win now.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I want to win now, and I want a guy that,
when they're long gone, can be Ben Roethlisberger and put
a cape on you know, right, I need a guy
for the next fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Because I'm gonna lose those two corner pieces, lose everything.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping this guy last outlass outlast
every one's on the team right now.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Right, I'm trying to build that.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I want to play over a decade. A.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I want that next cornerstone. I'm like, d yes, if
I can get that at twenty one this year, which defensively, this.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Is a We've talked a lot about this draft. Yeah,
I think red paint, paint the barn red.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Last year's draft was more of an offensive draft. Tackles
and tackles and receivers and quarterbacks. Yeah, this year's the opposite,
no question, D line, D line, edge rushers. You know,
even and as strong as running back is, I can
still find a running back. You know, like, who cares
if it's a big, strong running back class when you're
looking at big picture. But you know when you talk
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about who's top one hundred, were you talking about it
the other day? That you know thirty nine guys in
the top one hundred are going to be defensive pass rushers. Yeah,
some type big guys or edge rushers. That's the strength
of this draft. Get two of them, right, you know,
so no, and we do that all the time. I mean,
there's so many D linemen here, you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Again. If Shador falls the twenty one that's an interesting
I would consider it. It's an interesting conversation, you know.
But you snatch him up. You're definitely not trading back.
If he's at your pick, take him at twenty one,
and then my first D lineman's third round, kind of
like eighty three. Yeah, you know, and there's some good
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players there. But the next game, Hayward's not there.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
No, you know, no, you may get it. You may
get a nose tackle, yeah yeah, and okay, your defense
will be okay, you're happy taking a fourth round running.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Back, right, right, you know, it's just a sudden it's like.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The fits don't match up real.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, right, you're not adding enough to this class for
today too. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Now that being said, again, I don't want to talk
out of both sides of my mouth. You're getting Flotano
this year. You're getting Roman Wilson this year. You got
nothing out of either one of those guys last year,
and even you know, Watson and Lee and Lee and
guys like that, that did nothing for you as rookie.
So you're gonna get something out of those guys. You
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could kind of roll those into this year's rookie class.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's why it doesn't break my heart if this is
only a six or seven player draft, right you know,
it doesn't need to be ten, but tens better. Ten's better.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I want, I want the quality. I want to I
want the guys who we're going to help me now,
not three years.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
From now, which is why they made the Metcalf trade. Yeah,
you know, as opposed to I don't know they couldhurt.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
They drafted a receiver in the second round. There's gonna
be plenty of guys available in that second round.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Right that, Or you could take one the first. If
you didn't a Metcalf, you'd almost have to take one
in the first or strongly considered.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
A strong consideration. Now it's not. It just isn't unless
you're gonna move Pickens. And I don't think they're gonna
move Pickens.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I don't either, So back to the Sanders visit and
all visits. I've been meaning to say this on the
show for a while because I was lucky enough that
you were with the Browns to kind of be on
the other side of this, and because Dane said this
on the podcast yesterday I was listening to and I
just want to cut and paste what he said. He's like,
people look at these thirty visits the wrong way. If
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you're a thirty visit, that doesn't mean we like you.
That means we're interested in you either. We have interest
to find out more about injuries, arm length questions, get
you on the white board, personality fit, whatever. And Dane
said after that, after he said that, which I think
is great because I know it's true, he said, so
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many teams get in touch with me after thirty visits
and say I erase their name from the board. The
second day walked out of the facility, like is he
a scheme? Is he a personality and scheme fit for us?
The answer is not always yes, right, you might just
be like I don't want to be.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Here's the thing. You only get so many sit down
interviews at the combine, right, and they're short, and they're short. Yeah,
and so you may not, or maybe you sat down
with somebody at the Senior Bowl or the East West
Shrine Bowl and they're short meetings, they're speed dating. Yeah,
and I want to know, I gotta know more about
this guy. Yeah, you know, are we going to eliminate him?
Are we gonna take him off our board completely? Or
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we're gonna bump him? Especially for times a thousand fits quarterback. Yeah,
and Sanders is a big personality.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That can be fine. Yeah, she's changed two programs. Is
he going to take us to the Promised Land? Maybe
the answer is yes, maybe he walks out of the like that.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Here's the change, changing two programs.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It bothers me, especially the first one.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But you Colorado's record the last two years was I
think it's a little over five hundred thirteen and eleven.
And I understand they were they were dead in the
water right bottom. But he wasn't the only one to
transferred in there either.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well. I also think with all respect to the historically
black colleges and Jackson State, and there's some great players
that came out of there. Absolutely, but if you put
the best recruit in the country, which was Travis Hunter,
which was Travis Hunter and another four star quarterback to
that program. You better turn it around, like you're kind
of cheap, you know, like if you put the best
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baseball player in Double A, I bet he's pretty good. Yeah,
you know, I mean that's kind of what they did.
Put it this way.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I mean, when when when Mason Miller got to Waynesburg
and he wasn't what he isn't what, he wasn't super recruit, right,
but he had you saw some tools there. I mean
he's six five and but he had he had diabetes. Yeah,
once they figured out the diabetes stuff and he starts
throwing in the mid nineties that with Division III baseball,
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he doesn't belong.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But yeah, he was just blowing guys away. That's what
you would expect. That's what you're looking for with any
prospect at a lower level. I want to see them
dominate at that lower level, right.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, can you imagine Hunter at that? Come on,
I mean it probably wasn't even fun for Yeah, you know,
so you should turn that program. You should turn it around.
But to say that, well, Schaud to Sanders turned this around.
I saw a tweet from somebody that said Dad did
something to do, and they decided to spend money.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Shadoor Sanders legendary. It was a tweet from NFL dot
com Shadoor Sanders legendary career at Colorado. I'm like, are
we just pinning legendary on everything?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Now? I'm not blaming. I'm not blaming should Door. No, No,
he was good college player.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Tweet that out, and I'm like, really legendary, I.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Mean Hunters is a little more legendary, I would say.
So he won the Hei won the highsman in the
year that genty was in maniac Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Right, two thousand yards right, and he won the high
one because he was the best receiver in football in
the best cornerback.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, never left the field, right, Like that's legendary, right right, right?
That sometimes we throw those words around the little too much,
way too much. But no, I mean I don't dislike
Shdoor Sanders' I don't either. I just want to him higher.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I just yeah, I just don't know that that's what
I want to do this year with.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
This particular team, especially know in the resources next year too.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, I would be much more interested in, you know, again,
addressing some of those needs and then taking the quarterback.
You're gonna they're gonna have a fourth quarterback in camp.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And assuming Aaron Rodgers signs with this team, Sanders wouldn't
play a snap this year. No, he might not. Probably
wouldn't even be the two. I mean that's a debate. Yeah,
it doesn't do much for me unless the unless I
think he could be the best player in league, which
I don't think he can. Yeah, this is not you know,
taking Patrick Mahomes and letting him say here, that's a
different story. Or Josh Allen really could have sat his
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first year, he'd been much better off, you know. But anyway,
Lamar basically sat mosters for Yeah, he did, right, So,
I mean I get it. If he had a ceiling
like those guys cool, I'm interested, right, ye knowe the ceiling.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here
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Speaker 2 (17:35):
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
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Speaker 3 (17:46):
And we are back. I'm Dale, Lolli. He is the
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Speaker 1 (17:54):
You get a chuckle out of.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
This once again, somebody ripping us for some Graham stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
That's that all the draft pundits and all the NFL
teams have have him ranked as the number one defensive tackle. Well,
first of all, you don't know where the NFL teams
have him ranked at. Somebody's putting out a list and
saying here all the.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Here's the chiefs board. Right, they don't publish that stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I get all the draft pundits have him where they're at.
But the thing that kind of ticked me off about
the whole thing was, you guys are just a couple
of radio hosts doing this. I'm like, Matt worked for
an NFL team. I've covered this team for thirty three years.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Right right, I mean, they just find it. We didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You guys didn't play the game. Neither did any of
those other draft analysts for the most part that you're
talking about, who have these guys ranked?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Well? And the other thing too, is if I were,
and we do for our Triple Take series, we do
a generic defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Ranking right, And they all had Mason Graham as the
number one guy.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
He was two for me. I had him behind Nolan,
you know. I mean, I'm just talking about where we
had him going in our mock drafts. Oh, in our mocks.
I was talking about my detackle rankings. But if you
would through a team, it's way different. It's mean, Daniel
Jeremiro tell you that when I did it by the Ravens,
it's different than.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I explain that all along. I'm looking at this through
a Steelers lens right right, not an overall picture lens.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Right. If I'm doing uh Peacock and Williamson, that's a
national show and they say who your top five defensive tackles. Well,
in a generic world, he'd be number two for the Steelers.
He isn't. Yeah, yeah, man. It's just way that hard.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Which brings me to Eric ed Holmes top one hundred
okay on NFL dot com, and he has Abdull Carter
number one.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I have a hard time with that.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Carter just went through the medical recheck today.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Oh did he okay?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Came off clean?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
He's not going to need surgery.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
On the foot on the foot, okay, Okay, so I
assume we'll be getting a lot of those type of things. Yeah,
you know, Will Johnson's gonna run and.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, that's gonna happen, I think next week.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, like what's Rebel's injury and those type of dudes.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Same thing with the Notre Dame cornerback. Those guys are
all going to start doing some stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Just do his late as possible, right, you can give
you more healing time.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
But I guess the medical rechecks in Indiana Napolis for today.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh okay, so all the we shol probably explain that
a little bit, like if you get flagged in Indie,
they basically tell you we're going to invite ten twenty.
I don't know how many.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It was a month ago.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It was a month ago.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So now you get to come back a month later
and they check and see where you're at in your
healing pro.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And I don't think all thirty two teams send a
doctor to that. I think they just share information. Maybe
they do. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I would want to have somebody there. I would do
at least my you know, I would have my at
least my trainers there to take a look someone I trust, right,
somebody who's can relay the inform I don't know if
I need my doctors there, but I want my at
least my trainers there that can then send the information
back to my doctors. And yeah, I didn't know who
actually does the checks in terms of what doctor staff,
but yeah, I guess it's it'd be smart to have
someone from every team, you know, anybody like hiding information.
(20:45):
They don't want John stalwarth this thing, right, somebody the tape,
and plus everyone deciphers these things different, right, that's here's
the knee information. Team doctor one says, don't live with that. Yeah, yeah,
right right, and Team doctor two says, that's why you
get second opinions.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
On snow right, these aren't you know? In Stone he
has Travis Hunter number two. I wonder if there is
a list of who was there today. I bet that's
hard to find. It's probably, yeah, he probably have a
pretty good idea. If they haven't done any workouts yet,
something from one of the teams. It might have to
give us that.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Ashton gent three, who is to Travis. Yeah, okay, here's
Mason Graham four bumping him up a spot.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Fine. I'm not sure who four should be. I just
will say problem with this draft. That's my thing is
most years, there's no way he's four. Yeah, yeah, he's
not over like Marvin Harrison junior last year. That's even what.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
So here's here's what that at home rights the draft's
best three technique. Although Graham's shorter arms thirty two inches
and some three hundred pound frame are reasons to worry.
I don't think he's a typical top five prospect, but
he lands here in this draft class that isn't overwhelming
with blue chip talent.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, I think it's a bad year to pick four
to twelve. Yeah, it's real bad.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You're no man's land.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Like people say, this is a terrible draft. Not all,
but it's a terrible draft to not have a premium
pick but then be the next bad team.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And here's why, Like, all right, you're gonna get your
choice of the best of everybody.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Else Membo and Campbell or who are good prospects, sure,
but they're not blue chip prospects that you usually get
picking that high right, right, That's why I think Genti's.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
You're not taking them as the last time the last
time the Steelers earned a top to top ten pick
was in two thousand and they're picking you know, they
picked Plexico Buris instead of Brian Urlacker.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, yeah, that was your you know, and that's the
kind of what you're looking at. Those those are both
blue chip guys and they both were Pro bowlers and
Lacker goes the Hall of Fame and right, they're a
big time Like that's what you want picking in the
top terrorist comes out of this draft. He's the first
year taken. Yeah, I mean, he'd be a consideration four
to the Patriots, right, you know, but they don't have
that option.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
That's not the option this year. That's not what's available
in this in this draft.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That so I think Gent's gonna go early. Yeah, At
five he upp a spot. He has Jlen Walker there.
They're sure sounds like a lot of buzz that he's
going to go really high, But there aren't many people
his size that get double digit sacks every year. This
is true.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
At six down two spots is Tyler Warren the Penn
State tight end.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Fine with it. I think he's similar to a Bowers level,
but I would rather out of a higher grade on Bowers.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
He has armand Membo and Will Campbell. At seven and eight,
the two offensive tackles, no real shocks yet, and again
they wouldn't have been either. One of those guys would
be in the top five tackles from last year's draft.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
No, I don't know if you read that much of
the Beast. I'd just been scanning it. But he mentioned
Dane mentioned that Membo has a lot of tan who
can you know, similarities like initial quickness, decent army and he's.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Only played right tackle that Atlayed had played left tack he.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Would go ahead of both these dudes. Yeah, he would.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
At nine. He has Will Johnson, the cornerback from Michigan. Yeah,
that workout is coming April fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I have a real problem with how he played this year, though,
the more work I've done on him, He's preserving his
body a lot and turning down tack. He made some
business issues, yeah, and some of his injuries. Would he
have played through last year's tape was awesome or the
twenty twenty three tape was really good.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
At teny as cam Ward, He's going.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
To would have him higher just because I think he's
a top five pick any year he comes out where
these other dudes aren't. Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Eleven is Colston Loveland to tight end out of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think both both the tight ends are really solid prospects,
are high quality dudes.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Twelve is Teed McMillan, the Arizona wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
That's his first receiver though.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Thirteen up, four spots is mikel Williams.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
He had rusher out of your JA. I wonder how
injured he was. I mean that'd be a great answer.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, he didn't test as well as you thought he
was going to be freaky. Fourteen is Matthew Golden, wide
receiver out of Texas. Fifteen is Shamar Stewart the Texas
A and m ag rusher.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Like would you take Stuart or Williams. Neither are gonna
be Steelers. I mean those two edge guys, Michael Williams.
Michael Williams better football player. It's a better foot yeah, yeah,
not by a lot, right, right, right, yeah, I mean
you're projecting a lot of projecting a lot of projection.
It's sixteen down three spots. Is Mike Green the edge
(25:39):
rusher out of Marshall. If he's clean, I bet he
goes higher than that.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, and there's some stuff in his background.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, I mean he even addressed it. He was accused
of sexual assault twice, one in high school, one at
his first college I think it was Virginia. Yeah, and
he went to the podium and said, yeah, that's what happened.
I wasn't. I wasn't either, right, right, but teams will
know all about it.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Seventeen up a spot is Tyler Booker, the guard one.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I think it's pure guards, the pure guarden. And he's
such style. Yeah, right, with all the outside zone stuff,
he doesn't fit that. At eighteen, I think he's gonna
be the Ravens first round pick. Maybe that's a their
type of move.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Up eleven spots, John ay Barron.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I mean he's more zone than man, but he does
a lot of things. Well, yeah, it takes the ball away. Yeah,
I'd be shocked if he busts.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
At nineteen Up three spots. Derek Harmon.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It does seem to be a little more.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
He's got the prototypical size.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
The length helps yeah yeah, yeah. At twenty hard to
wonder if I would take Harmon over Grant just because
it's easier to find. No, I mean, just how the
rest of.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
The rest of the draft. Twenty down four spots is
Malachi Starks, safety out of Georgia. Yeah, you think he's
pretty safe. At twenty one down a spot is je
Hud Campbell, the Alabama linebacker. At twenty two down three
spots is Calvin Banks, the offensive lineman out of Texas.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Found it interesting that Dane put him in the guards. Yeah,
it could be he could be at twenty but Jackson
with the tackles Don Jackson. Twenty three down two spots
is Nick Muari, the safety out of South Carolina. You
think he goes ahead of Starks.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I just think I think guys who've shown that they
can play the deep middle like that are more valuable.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Than I just wonder.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, his freaky that's on who needs what? Ye, that's
a big part of it. At twenty four down a
spot is Donovan Azerreku, the Boston College edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
He seems pretty safe too. I'm not sure what negatives
we got on that he's.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Not huge variety of pass rushman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Twenty
five up a spot is Luther Burden, the wide receiver
at of Missouri.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You hear a lot of stuff with him too, Not
that he's yeah into jail or anything, but he's about
himself and Yeah, not easy to be around. You know
a lot of receivers like that. Yeah, I say he
wouldn't be the first year right now, Fisher, you know
at twenty six up seven spots, Walter Nolan, the defensive
tackle out of Mississippi, He's moved, He's moved down, He's moved. Yeah.
(28:17):
I just feel like there's misinformation out there or somebody's playing.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I think that's what was going on with Walter Nolan
is that early in the process, a lot of people
were looking, Okay, it's a really good player, and then
you heard, well there's some off the field stuff, and
so people started moving him down.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That was like he's been at five schools in six years,
going back to high school. Okay, he was a lot
of guys have done that. I mean he's also made
if Paramount Dart did that, yeah, right right, Like we
were talking about Nolan the day on my podcast and
I threw out there, I'm like, well Rob Gronkowski grew
up in Buffalo but moved to Woodland Hills for his
last year. Yeah, to get exposed, you know, I mean,
like changing high schools. It's not like it It's not
(28:54):
like the Bengals re Stiver from BAM MCT Burton. Yeah,
I mean he wasn't getting kicked out of schools and
kick out as different as way different.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And Nolan left Texas A and M when their defensive
line coach got fired.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah. Yeah, they didn't like, say you got to go right.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I mean he said, oh you're firing the coach, I'm
going to go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And in today's world, if you're the top recruit in
the country, I mean he's making money for a while now. Yeah,
he's like a yours or I mean serious money.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Twenty seven down, two spots is James Pierce. He's won
to Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It happened to bring this up because were talking about
Nolan versus Pierce character wise, and we were talking about
Green today too, and it sounds like nobody likes Pierce,
you know, like he just is in his apartment by himself.
Like he sounds like he's highly unlikable, not that he's
a bad guy, but like no one wants to be
his teammate.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Okay, you know, I mean the tape is good and
he's smooth at twenty eight down, four spots, Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
That's about right. Yeah, Sometimes see him like forty forty five.
I don't unders do that. Yeah, I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And again and once you get past that, that top
five or six, these guys are all gonna have similar grades.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
They are.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
They are twenty nine up a spot is a mecca.
Egbuca will receive right of Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I wonder it's back to the gentee conversation. My teams
just take safe picks like him, you know, like I
know I'm not hitting a home run this year. I
always be happy with him.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Egbuka's game is clean, consistent, and well rounded. I think
he'd be a perfect fit as a Tyler Boyd like
slot weapon and number three option, taking that in the
first round. Right, No, I think he's better than that.
I mean that's but right, he's not. He's never going
to be a number one. He was never a number
one in college.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
No, right, right?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Agree At thirty down three spots. Josh Simmons, the offensive
tackle of Ohio State. We'll see how the.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Medical recess information out there.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Thirty one down three spots. So Marion Hampton, running back
out of North Carolina solid. Thirty two down a spot.
Maxwell Harriston the cornerback out of Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Just looking at him a little more yesterday too, and
you know who John Ledgard did. Yeah, he compared him
to Jackson, who was a Steeler last year. Not in
a good way necessarily. I mean he's really fast. He
flies around the field, but he's just not missing tackles
and bounces off things and sometimes gets run over in
(31:24):
the run game. And that's what he is.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, it's a cover cornerback.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
At thirty three.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Said that, I'm like, oh, that's exactly who he is. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Thirty three up two spots is Shdor Sanders.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I may even have him earlier than that. I mean,
I think he's a starting NFL quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
At thirty four, holding steady, Josh Connerley, the offensive tackle
of Oregon.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
He's one that could go a lot higher than you think. Amazing,
he's an athlete. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Thirty five down three spots is grays Abel, the offensive
lineman from North Dakota State. Interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Thirty six up two spots.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
J T.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Twomloa the it's pretty early edge rusher out of Ohio State.
Thirty seven down a spot is Donovan Jackson, the Ohio
State offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay, a lot offensive, A lot of Ohio State guys
are well represented after winning national title.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
At thirty eight down a spot is Mason Taylor, the
tight end U of LSU.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I think he's safe too. Yeah. Thirty nine is Landon Jackson,
the edge rusher out of Arkansas. I can see people
all over the board on him too. Yeah. I mean
I'm not sure what he'd even do here, but some
teams are be like, sign me up. He's a four
to three defensive end all day. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, forty and that doesn't fit this scheme folkus
not so much. Up three spots is Trevon Henderson, the
Ohio State running back.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Forty one is Chavon Revel Junior, the East Carolina cornerback.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I don't know if you'll know any more about him
or not.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
He probably goes somewhere early in day two. Yeah, just
because I can't use a first round pick on a
guy come off in ACL, but I can use a
second round pick on him.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That could be a number one corner possibly, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Forty two is tay Leek Williams, the defensive tackle from
Ohio State. I'm a big fan, and they said his
h he pulled up blame at the Ohio State Pro Day.
They they're saying that it was a cramp.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Okay, so fair enough. He's one that if the steels
traded down pretty heavy, like out of the first round,
and that was my first pick, I'd understand. Now, cool
with it, right. Forty three is Carson Sweasinger. He has
a chance to sneak in the first linebackers are top.
That's real tough.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Forty four is Jackson Dart.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
That's about right. I mean again, if I used a
mid second rounder on him and sat him for a year, okay,
I mean that's cool, But the middle of the first round. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
And here's what he says about him.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
There's plenty of round one buzz building mock draft in
the mock draft building world for Dart, who's always who
has an above average arm, good but not great athleticism
in a decent frame. I'm always just left wanting to
see a little bit more anticipation in big plays out
of structure on tape. He could be a starter in
a year or two.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Really bad deep passer. Yeah, I mean like he has tools,
but they're all B minus tools. I mean, none of them.
I mean he's good across the board physically, but I
don't see any great trait. Forty five is Jack Sawyer.
That's overrated.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Forty six is Nick Scourton. I'd have Scourton over yeah, yeah, yeah.
Forty seven down six spots is azerie A Thomas.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I assume he dingdam because of his forty He plays
slow too. I mean he ran four to six at
a pro day, yeah, which is probably a four to
six five right.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Forty eight down nine spots is Caleb Johnson, the running
back out of.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I bet he's gonna be good, yeah, like go to
two Pro Bowls and have a good career.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You know the problem with the Iowa running backs and
the same thing you don't see any Iowa receivers in
this draft. They don't throw the football.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, a certain sign. I don't know if he can
pass block. I don't know if he can catch the
ball out of the Backfield's a great point, right, Like
they just don't do it. This is on tape. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Forty nine up three spots is Arianta Urser, the offensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Wonder he was higher than you think too. I could
see him going big athlete. I could see him going
early round two. Yeah, Like, if he goes the top
five picks in the first round and the second round,
I'm like, oh, I understand.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
And then fifty is Benjamin Morrison, the Notre Dame cornerback.
He's working out April twenty first.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay, good, I'm kind of rooting for him.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Trey Amos, who the Steelers had in earlier this week,
the cornerback out of Mississippi, is fifty one. Alfred Collins
up nine spots to fifty three, the defensive tackle out
of Texas.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I think he's early to mid second round.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Quin Shawn Judkins, the other Ohio State running back, is
fifty four.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Let's see who else interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Jayden Higgins, who the Steelers had in for a visit,
is at fifty eight. The wide receiver out of Iowa State,
Jalen Noel, his teammate, down fourteen spots verse sixty.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
He seems to be gaining steam.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I would have thought, Yeah, let's see here, who else
was in? We get TJ. Sanders, who we haven't talked
a ton about. He's at sixty three on this list.
The defensive tackle out of South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
In most years, he would be five defensive tackle spots higher.
Than that. Yeah, he might be your DT five on
a generic board.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, let's see here. Jaln Milroe comes in at sixty eight.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I can see people all over the board. I totally
understand that. You run the shock yet or is he
below that? He's below that.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Jalen Royals, the Utah State wide receiver, is at sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
That's down eleven spots. Stain at him really high, I
live or six. I like him as a player too.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Ousie Trapio, the offensive tackle out of Boston College, might
be the biggest riser in this whole thing. Well, no,
there's somebody laughter. This up thirteen spots. He didn't have
Isaiah Bond, the Texas wide receiver, in his first top
one hundred list. He's got him coming in at seventy one.
So he jumped a bunch.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
He's another one. I think they'll be mixed feelings on
any what you're looking for. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Josh Farmer is at seventy two. The defensive tackle of
Florida State who was in earlier this week. Dylan Sampson,
who visited the Steelers, the running back out of Tennessee.
He is at seventy four.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I think day at him as his fifth or running back. Yeah,
real high, good player. Yeah yeah, another one. I see
a lot of mixed opinions.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
On Savion Williams, the TCU wide receiver who was one
of the early visits for the Steelers. Is it seventy five?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Weird one?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, Darius Alexander falls eight spots to seventy six for
the Toledo defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
But she was a little younger. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Uh elkay Minor, that's one of my visits. Down to
seventy eight, Thank you much.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
The balls ahead of them. Yeah, I'm a big fan.
Good player. Let's see here.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Tyler Schuck comes in at eighty two.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
He's the next one behind Milra. Yeah yeah, Steelers pick
at eighty three. Yeah yeah yeah. If you got the
line in the first round and didn't move around, I'd
be fine with that. Let's see here. Who else we got.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Jacob Parrish, the k State cornerback, is at eighty six.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's another good play spots like he's another one. If
he's two inches taller, he might be a first rounder.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Charles Grant, who we take a lot in the fourth round.
That are mock drafts from William and Mary. The offensive
tackle up ten spots to eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
We were talking about him today in the podcast and
my co host like that, dude's a cheap code, a
cheap code for getting a discount franchise left tackle. Yeah yeah,
I mean like he could be really really good.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, let's see here. Ty Robinson, defensive tackle at of
Nebraska comes in at ninety five. He was on rank
before Noel Williams. We take a lot in our mid
rounds in our mock drafts. The cornerback out of col
False eleven spots to ninety six.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Gotcha, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
And Emery Jones, a guy that we've taken the top
one hund Yeah, he comes in at ninety eight, the
offensive lineman out of LSU. We usually get him in
like this round.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah yeah, I never understand that that's why we get
him a bunch. I never. He looks like a fourth
rounder to me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Cam Scatibo at ninety nine, that's down twelve spots.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
For the running. I think long term their ability is
just a concern.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Number one hundred on Eric at Holmes list of saving
on Jones, the defensive lineman from LSU.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Really interesting, super active, long edge. He might just be
a four to three end. But he's big enough he
might be able to kick inside that. That's the question
to me, you know, like, I'd love to see his
body and do they think I can add ten pounds
of muscle and can he hold up against tackles and
do the things we need him to do or is
he just a you know, attack Edges type of guy
(39:44):
upfield only? Yeah, gotta figure that out.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I mean Preston Smith, they used him in that.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, bigger than Smith. He's bigger than Smith,
longer than Smith, he's better. Smith knew all the tricks. Yeah,
and he's got some thickness and he's been around the
block and he's Grunman's strength out of Savon Jones. Oh yeah, yeah,
I don't think that's crazy. Maybe in a year now
from now two you could be your inside kick inside
guy too.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Absolutely absolutely. But that is Eric ed Holmes list on
NFL dot com interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And there wasn't anything too kooky in there.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
No, not crazy. There's some guys in there that, yeah,
you know, moving around. And the quarterback rankings were a
little different, a little different.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, I mean they weren't too crazy, but they were
pretty low on all of them. Yeah, including Sanders was
like thirty one, you know, Dart I think was well
into the forties something like that.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, so anyways, let's get it wasn't that. Yeah, let's
get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I
am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on
the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and now will be back
with more right after this.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
At He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Radio and welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is
the Matt Williamson. And uh, well, for people who don't know,
Matt and I never talk about what we're going to
talk about very rarely.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
It's pretty rare. Sometimes you know what's coming, but you know,
I just want.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
To hit him with something to get his initial reaction.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Uh So, let's go five bowld predictions.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I have to come up with five.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I'm not saying you get, no, you gotta get. You
don't have to come up with five, okay, And we're
gonna come up with five. Okay, you can start, okay,
and then we'll go to me and I'll make a
Bowl prediction and then you make.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
A bull draft stuff you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, for the first round of this draft.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
In year two thousand, I want to say something about
the quarterbacks and that they're gonna go higher than you
think in terms of Okay, I'm gonna say Sanders goes
before the Saints pick, okay, because I mean, that's obviously
a potential landing spot. Something happens. I don't know where.
(42:01):
I don't know how where. I can see the Jets
taking him. Yeah, yeah, that's that could be part of it.
Dart isn't available when the Steelers pick, and Milrod's not
lasting too long in the green room on Thursday or
on Friday. Okay, man, I don't think that's too bold.
But quarterbacks, lets go.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Okay, Yeah, I am going to go out on a
limb and say that three tight ends go in the
first round.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Wow, do you think it's Taylor or Taylor goes? I
could see Kansas City so sneaky, and I think there's
a really good chance Dallas Goddters get traded. So if
you move, I mean at thirty one thirty two good
teams A plug and play son of a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Okay, and I mean you start looking at Kansas City's
pass catchers and you're going, yeah, but if you could
get hey, we can replace Travis Kel's see eventually with
this kid.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
A couple guys that they've taken cracks on aren't going
to be it. Yeah, just dude, they did.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Fourth fifth kid has a chanced to be a real star.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah. No, I'm a big fan. And he would help
you when Super Bowl this year too, right. I want
to do something about when the third receiver comes off
the board. Okay, I think it might be a while,
and I'm not even sure Golden and Tech goes super high,
but I don't think a third one goes in the
first round. And I bet he slips out of the
(43:36):
top forty maybe.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Two receivers in the first round.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I think that's kind of a bold prediction in itself,
and it could be a weight after. Okay, I just
don't think anyone's super enamored with the receiver group.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I am going to say that half of the first round,
so sixteen picks in the first round, will be guys
that rush the passer, Okay, half of the first round.
I mean when you come up there's only like we're
(44:10):
looking at like four defensive tackles, Like right, everybody else
is going to be edge rusher or defensive end. And
I think they're gonna They're gonna be a premium. Do
you think I think we're saying like twelve of those
guys are gonna go in the first round.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
We talked to no end about the d tackles. I mean,
the four you're referring to. I think everybody knows. You know,
do you think they all going Round one?
Speaker 3 (44:28):
I think they end up going.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I think so too. I mean I think like Buffalo.
I mean, we talked about a tight end for the Eagles,
but the Eagles, if Harmon's there, Nolan's there, they're gonna
say things.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
I think you by the time we get to the
middle of the first round, you could be looking at
eight or nine, ten edge rushers, edge rushers, all the
Michael Williams and those type of dudes. There be a
huge run on those. And but in the top twenty,
I think well over half.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Of those guys are edge guys. Wow, it's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
It's hard to do, but I think there's gonna I mean,
you start looking at the team needs in that of
that group, everybody could use on everybody could use one.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Everybody could use one.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah, whether it's an end, whether it's an edge, edge rusher,
whether it's a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Right. I have a hard time come with something else.
Mm hmmm. What do you think about the running backs?
There's a handful of running back needy teams. There's a
lot of good ones. They're pretty safe.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
I think Genti's the only one that goes in around one.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Really hmm. See, I was sitting here thinking along the
same lines, but from a broader perspective of there's gonna
be few were taken in the top fifty than we
really think.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Is Omari and Hampton as good as he is, I
think he's a really good prospect. Is he better than
Nick Chubb was as a prospect coming out?
Speaker 1 (45:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Nick Chubb went to top around two.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
The problem with Chubb was nothing in the passing game.
But okay, you know, I mean, but he was I
mean that was the knockout why it was not a
first round I hear you. But he was an early two. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I think that has happening in this draft because it's
so deep. That's the thing I think, And I can
see a run on them in round two. Hmm okay,
I said, when do you think they start coming off
the board. Maybe round two is one pretty heavy, but
it wouldn't shock me if even like a Judkins last
to early three.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I got definitely see that. And like the kneels
are going in five. Yeah, you know, Scatabo going in five.
You know, like everyone even get.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
All the other stuff again, you want to get the
I gotta get an edge rusher. To get an edge
rusher running back redress, well, the running backs are really deep.
I can get a guy in the round five who's
going to come in. You know, I'm not looking for
a bell cow. I just want a guy that can
come in and help good. Yeah, but I can start
this edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Most of our mocks that we do that I'm happiest
with is when we don't do around a top fifty
pick at running back or so you know. And I
like him in and I like Judkins and all those guys,
but usually it's like I wish we were better at
the other spots and as opposed to running back. Yeah,
you know, but I think most teams will look at
(47:11):
that way.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
That's five. That's five Okay, there you go. You came
up with We came up with the last one together.
Because I was about say you made me do three.
I was gonna go running back. I was going to
say something about the running backs, and then I said
one running back in the first round.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
How quick, real quick? Your tight end one has my
wheels turning. Where do you think the top four go?
Do you think they all go in like the top forty?
I think it'd be a really long wait for five.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, I think so, you know, I think I think
we could see four.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
And I think if you want one, you better grab
one of those four. Yeah. And then otherwise we didn't
get one and we got shut out. We'll take Ferguson
in the fourth or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, okay,
three tight ends.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
And remember I said three tight ends in the top
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's insane round Those two Super Bowl teams are hanging
around out there.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, I think Kansas City could definitely take right. They
can look at that offense. They could get shot out
on the offensive tackles.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
You just go, you know, it's okay. We spent money on.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Grant at the end of round two.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, yeah, right, or guard or guard. I mean they
have money invested in tackles. They're like guard is could
be a second rounder.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
So take the pass catcher and he makes Patrick mahomes
life easier.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
And again it's kind of like the Cam Hayward thing,
like who's better to learn from? Right? You know? Right? Yeah,
h Cam, Right.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
This hall of famer, teach this son of a Hall
of Famer and nephew of a Hall of.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Around and do what he does, except except the tailor switch.
That might be a little problem to I don't think
that's in the cards.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
But anyways, that's going to do it for our number
one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,
Matt and Now will be back with our number two
right after this
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