April 18, 2025 • 47 mins
Dale and Matt lead off the show with more QB talk and all the different avenues the Steelers could take and decipher whether each team in the first round needs to prioritize with their picks, team need or player value?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he
is the Matt Williamson. It's a lovely Friday, awesome out
right now. Yeah, it's ready to hit the weekend. Here.
We are now less than a week from the NFL Draft.
By this time next week, seven days from now, we
will know who the Steelers first round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Assuming there is one. Yeah, but the first round will
be in the books.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm going to assume that there is a first round
draft pick. I would think, so, I don't see them
trading out of the first round. Well, I mean they've
never done that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I hear you out here till I can blow your
doors off, the Brownies, the Giants, whatever, But no, I mean.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I've just never done it. They just take the player
that they want and are happy with it. I know,
we trade down a lot, we don't often trade out
of the first round because.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No, you know, I mean again, there's a lot of
players I like in this draft, and I like where
they're sitting. I would love to move down you'd have
to blow my doors off to go far. But you
know it will be nice though a week from now
have players on teams. Yeah, and then and know who's left,
you know, talking.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
About this stuff again, much of the focus remains on nationally. Steelers,
got to go get a quarterback, not to get a quarterback,
got to get a quarterback. Heading into this draft, you've
got the Giants, the Browns, the Steelers, the Titans are
going to take it a quarter Yeah, we know what's
happening there. The Saints could certainly take a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Rams could take a quarterback. So is that six teams?
I'd say the Jets. The Jets are also.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
A fields is really a one year deal.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The Raiders could take a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably about it. I mean,
Hawks could take a quarterback. Darnold's basically a one year deal.
I hesitated to bring him up because they disinvested in them.
But if that goes wrong, then you would chuck sitting
there or whatever. It wouldn't be such a bad thing.
And they got five picks in the first two days.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And I don't know that the Dolphins aren't going to
take a quarterback. Early. They could take Gabriel in the fifth,
but they need to take a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
They do, they do, They have so many other needs
to to I mean they're in bad shape. It might
be missing one or two.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You know, that's what nine or ten Okay, well there's
nine or ten quarterbacks in this draft that.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah, I mean to your point I assume is
there will be several stages throughout the draft where there's
an acceptable quarterback to take at that pick, most likely.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Where that that's where the value aligns.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
If they pass on quarterback in round one, which I
believe I believe they will. Yeah, I do think five
will be gone before their next pick, though potentially potentially,
I mean it's not a done deal. But yeah, I
mean there's that top group and then you're looking at
backup types for me.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, and really all the other guys are other than
Ward are going to be backups this year.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I don't expect any of these guys outside of Ward
to be the day one starter.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
The Browns, like, give me pause. I think it'd be
tough to go past Winston and Wilson in New York.
I don't know, beating out Flacco and pick It would
be insurmountable for Sanders or somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I don't see them taking Sanders though.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think the Hunter and then try to trade back up.
You know, if Dart goes to the Saints or something
like that, you know, Dart needs to sit.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I think, well, I think Sanders needs to sit.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Wouldn't hurt him.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think, like I'm saying from day one, I don't
expect Shooter Sanders now. At some point this season in
twenty twenty five, he may wind up being the starter.
Oh yeah, yeah, but I can't say it for day one.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, you brought in
Pickett and Flacco for a reason. Certainly Wilson and Winston
are keep you know.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, even if the Steelers drafted one, Oh, the Steelers
draft one, I don't think he's not starting day one.
I don't know how you can be the number two, right,
I mean, they have a number two on the team
that's got that job pretty locked in. I think i'd
be shocked to Rudolph as the opening day starter.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So that's where we're kind of at. You know, but
I look, I look at the Dolphins. I mean they
get Tua. And here's the thing with the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I really hate where their team's at right now. They're
a disaster.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They just signed the cornerback Ramsey Ramsey to a new
deal last year.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, now they're gonna you're gonna trade him, and
I'm not sure you're gonna get much back. I mean,
I've heard things they might have to cut him.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They just signed Tyreek Hill to a new deal last year. Yeah, like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I think they pushed their chips in to win now,
and you often lose that battle, and they're losing it
big now. And now they're quarterback's expensive and their franchise
left tackle retired and you don't have much waiting in
the you know, you look at their team needs all
across the old line, maybe another wide out. No one
ever talks about that if Hill's not going to be
in the mix. The tackles really poor safety safety corner
(05:13):
is pretty suspect too. They're expensive stuff, left tackles and yeah, right,
let alone a backles well, and.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
They paid for those guys, right, but they did it
at the wrong like things didn't match up well for them. No,
they didn't marry their salary cap to what.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
The roster actually was, right, right. I think that they
as a franchise lacks some self awareness, you know, like
it's great in the first two months of the season
and South Beach and it's warm, but then you go
to Buffalo and New England and New York late in
the year, let alone playoffs, and you're not built that
way in terms of you know, the players you play with.
(05:50):
I mean there's a lot of speed and how many
four or three running backs do you need? You know,
give me a guard, yeah, no, sackle know right, yeah.
I just I think as an interesting build and that
could be.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
A team that next year at this time, we're talking
about them moving on from to at Tago Viloa.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Mm hmm. Absolutely, I think that's quite possible. I look
at him and party and it's not a coincidence the
Miami staff came from San Francisco that you know, what
if Trent Williams is gone, Deebo's gone, you know, all
of a sudden, like your Stars and Scrubs thing, bosas
a year older, Ramsey's gone, Tyreek's out, you know, all
of a sudden, It's like got Wattle and Pierce all
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and Kittle's getting old, you know what I mean. And
your quarterbacks aren't elevators and they're expensive. Yeah, that's I mean,
I assume Party's gonna a contract.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Phok and Nakua came out today. Yeah, I said and
said something about if the forty nine ers pay Rock
Party fifty plus million dollars, their window is closed. I
kind of get it.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I mean then they're a lot like the Steelers to
me in terms of their offseason, where they lost way
more than they gave it up kind of on purpose though.
I mean, they have a ton of compics coming their
way next year, much like Pittsburgh. And I don't think
any of their losses they were like, oh man, we
really wanted to keep them. But I don't see much
waiting in the wings to replace them.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
They don't haven't draft very well. Yeah, if you look
back their last five drafts or so kickers in the
third round and backup tight ends and the third round,
and let's be honest, they got Purty was a complete
oh gift from.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Drafted. They traded up the draft a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Right, I mean Solomon Thomas with like the third pick
in the draft, lance with the third pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Those are big multiple picks to.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Go get Lance, right, and they happened to luck into
party and he's keeping them above water. I think Shanahan's
a really good coach. I think he's a great offensive mind.
I don't know if he's a good head coach. That's
what I was gonna say is I think the shocks people.
He's been a head coach eight years for the for
the Niners. Four of them they've won double digit games
and have gone to playoffs and Super Bowls, et cetera.
(07:57):
The other four they've lost double digit games. Right, I mean,
there's nothing roller coaster, there's nothing in between. It's never
a seven, eight, nine win season, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Was there even just ten wins? Ten wins? Ten wins?
Which with that like this just up and down.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And I mean they got Boso because they were the
second worst team in the league, you know, and then
they were great after that for a year and then
they're down and the Jimmy stuff and they're both those
teams are two stars and scrubs ish for me. But
the Niners have had so many good cons. They've they've
worked the compic game extremely well. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
A lot of it's been higher as coaches part of it,
which has worked great for them, But they're not hitting
on the picks.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
They need more third rounders that are cheap, you know, starters, poonies,
guys like that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, but I don't see the Steelers taking a quarterback
in the first round.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I continue to say, I think it's going to be
a defensive tackle. The only outlier to that would be
Omari and Hampton.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, but I think one of the tackles. The tackles
would have to not be there.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, I think those guys would all have to be gone,
and Hampton falls into your lap. I think you take
the defensive tackle over Sanders.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
We're dark those three with the three we always talk about.
If they're sitting there, I think you take the d
tackle and go from there. I don't love the quarterback
prospects enough.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
No, I don't either, And that's you know, I get
it again. We've said consistently, I'm not doing this counting
on next year's quarterback class being better than this one.
I don't love this one, right, that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
It's growing on me. But I always worry is a
grown on me because I need one. Said the other
day if we were in Buffalo would be like this
quarterback class. Thanks, I don't care about it, you know?
Or are we squinting? Going? Been at the bar a
little long. It's looking better and better as the night
goes on, Like tell the mistakes are made.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, you knows how mistakes are made. And and I.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Don't even care what is projected for next year's quarterba
it's his door number two. It's just go fish. I'm like,
this isn't the time or place. Okay, Well then we'll
try it next year.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'll take that. I'll take that chance because I get
to love the guy who's available at twenty one, because
maybe next year to a Tago Viloa and I don't
I'm just throwing that name out there. There'll be two
or three guys like There'll be guys like that who
are available.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
There will be there, always is, and there will be right,
I mean, I know, like even if like a car
or a cousin's I mean, ones that aren't as exciting,
But is Dak Prescott's leash kind of coming to a
time who knows?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You just don't You just don't know. And based on
so much of that could depend on what happens this season.
If some of these teams that quote unquote have their
franchise quarterback all of a sudden find themselves picking fifth
next year and they do like the quarterback class or
a quarterback, Yeah, they could take him and then say
you know what you get the justin field situation.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, or even like you opened the show, say it's
Seattle and they take Shock in the second round. They're like,
we got something here. Yeah, well, Donald's available. Donald's available,
right right? Let alone what could be next year' score.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Where the Raiders take one and now a Gino Smith's older,
right right, Gino Smith's available.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, you know you can pry him away even though
they signed him this year or whatever. That stuff happens
all the time. Fields hit the market again. Donald did
some market again. You know, maybe they have good years
and they still hit the market right they become too expensive.
I went to double check this because the Mahomes trade
up on in round one of his draft day. He
was the tenth pick in the draft. The Chiefs, I
(11:35):
think everyone remembers they were a playoff team, but they
had the twenty seventh pick.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
They went way up.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I mean, there was several quarterbacks in that class, Deshaun
wattson Trubisky. It doesn't matter if they worked that or not,
but they were well renowned they targeted Mahomes. Let's say
the Steelers picked twenty seven this year, that'd be a
wonderful season, you know. I mean it's you're one of
the best teams in the league, one playoff games. It
only cost them to get from twenty seven to the
twenty seventh pick, their third rounder and next year's first
(12:05):
Steelers could do that, you know, no problem.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
A year from me now, I mean, make that move
this year if they wanted to do based on all
the extra picks that they have.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Right right right exactly, you know, like that wouldn't be
moving up.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And I'm not saying they should do that toam.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
No, of course. But if there's three or four you
really like and you only have to get to seven, eight, eleven,
and you're picking twenty or twenty seven, it's not as
hard to pull off as you think.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Especially I think if we look at this again, the
list of teams ten at most need to draft a
quarterback to ye yah, yeah, well there's more quarterbacks available
than that in this draft.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
We'll get down into the fifth, sixth, and what's that?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
What's that going to be next year? You know, you're
going to have all these teams that either drafted a
quarterback early enough this year that they're not in the
market next year. Potentially, you know, the Tennessee is not
going to draft a quarterback last year.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And I would still think the team the six that
took him last year probably still still Yeah, maybe Bryce
Young's leash breaks or something maybe you know.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But so you start to look at that and you go, okay,
because right now I think what you see in the
league are a lot of teams with the with guys
on their rookie deals that you need to know, you
need to find out more about. Then you've got that
middle group of teams that feel like they have their guy,
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the Jordan loves the Homes and they're in there. They're
in the middle of that of that pack. And there
aren't as many teams anymore that have the old guy.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
No, that generation, that generations is gone. The Wentzes and
all those guys didn't live up to.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
The the Genos Smiths of the world, or they are
the old guys who are still starting. Stafford is the
old guy. If the Steelers do bring in Aaron Rodgers
and that's where you know, that's where you're at. But
there aren't as many of those guys as there were
six or seven years ago.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
No. I mean, first off, I think that era was
pretty strong in quarterback history, the Bens and Breezes and
Brady's and Mannings, et cetera, et cetera, Rodgers, but then
there was such a gap, almost a ten year stretch
there where the early picks quarterbacks very rarely hit. Yeah,
I mean there was a long stretch there Winston and
Mariota and Wentz and all these guys that are high
(14:23):
picks that should be a little past their prime right now. Yeah,
but they never had a prime. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
So you know, those guys aren't there. They're just not
you know, they're not there. A lot of them are
still in the league, right they're just not starters. And
like Wilderton and Cousins are now holding on for starting
jobs or whatever they can.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You know, they good career.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
They've already been you know, you know in that chase
of Cousins, he's already been replaced.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, exactly. Wilson might get replaced on draft day, or
you might not be there long He's probably not their
long term starter.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know. So, I mean those teams aren't going to
be in the market for quarter so it may be
a situation where again, if there are let's say four
first round worthy quarterbacks next year, there might not be
four landing spots.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
No, and the bad teams will want to trade. I'll
take your future first. I'll take all the picture I
can get, right, I got a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Is cam Ward gonna turn the Titans around to take
them from picking first overall to picking eighteenth?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I don't think so. And I don't know the Steelers
will pick twenty seven, who knows. But let's say it's
twenty or twenty one, where they've been the last couple
of years, and the Titans are at five and they stink,
but they have a quarterback. You can get there.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
The Patriots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, they've got their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Patriots would be a great team this year to trade
out if somebody wanted to come get a quarterback I
don't want to get.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah. So, I mean that's just where we're at with
this particular draft, and I just I don't see the
Steelers reaching for a quarterback in this class.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I've thought all along. Next year is the best timing.
You have the best draft resources, you have a ton
of cap space. If you come out of the season,
you're like, man, I didn't project having a strong safety,
tackle and receiver. Need that they do whatever I'm just
making up. Yeah, well you can buy him on the
free agent market and then you use all your draft
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pick to go get the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah. So there's a lot of options. It's pot to
go a lot of different roads. Absolutely, let's get to
a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.
You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,
Matt and now I will be back with more right
after this.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He
is the Matt Williamson and Matt Matt Miller and Jordan
Reid on ESPN put together a kind of a dueling
mock draft here where Miller going through the first round,
Miller name of the prospect who would best fill every
team's biggest were in some cases second biggest position need.
(17:07):
Reid then pointed to the prospect who would give the
team the maximum value, and safety is the best player available.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Okay, so safety, But there's the best one on the
board of the fiftieth best player, and they can't pick.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
The same player. So you're going to get two options
for every team at those spots, one from Miller, one
from Reed.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Okay, cool, all right, so they both are looking at
a different lens.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, So for the Tennessee Titans, Miller is picking cam
Ward Reid is picking Abdull Carter.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, you said they're not allowed to pick the same guy.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Can't pick the same guy, and it has to be
positional or Miller's there. Miller's doing the biggest need, where
Reid is doing the best value.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Uh. At two Cleveland, Miller has Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think that's their biggest need.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's their biggest need.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, Reid has them taking Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I think that's what we'll do.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
At three, Miller has the Giants taking Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh. So you can't take that, you can't twice, all right,
So he's going quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, Yeah, because those are
their biggest their biggest needs. Right, So the Saints might
get like Schucker, Millroe or somebody maybe, well.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Maybe I don't. Reid says the best value there would
be cam Ward. That would be great. They would love
to get cam Ward. Four. I should say it's not
not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
The beginning of this kind of gets a little screw
because we know what the okay.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
They actually can take the same player. I misunderstood that
the same player can't be picked by one guy twice,
is what. Okay, Well that makes sense because the Patriots,
Miller has them taking Will Campbell, Reid has them taking
Will Campbell.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I get it. I think Membo is a clearly better prospect,
but he's a right tackle.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, you take the left tackle prospect. Somebody asked me
on our message board this week about don't you think
Simmons has the highest upside of the left tackles? Yes,
but I don't. I can't see the medicals on him.
I don't know what that looks like. This was a
torn Patel attendant. Yeah, yeah, this is this something that's
likely to tear again. I got to talk to my
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doctors and find that out. Is this you know, is
this gonna limit him moving forward. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I'm not at all implying that Simmons should be the
pick at four, but I think on tape he's clearly
a better left tackle prospect than Campbell. But you don't
see many of the hard games. I mean, I think
he played five games for them, and there was some
decent competition, but you could just see the way he
moves and stuff. He's great, But that comes down to doctors, right,
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And there's also some off the field stuff with Simmons
floating around in terms of does he love football, yes,
maturity and dedication to the game. None of that with Campbell.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, no, there's none of that, total opposite. Right now,
he's a safe pick because even if he doesn't work
out at left tackle, other guards thing too, their guard
stand or maybe you bump him the right tackle. Yeah,
he'll play somewhere on your line. He's Pete Scorronski exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he'll play somewhere on your line. And he and you know,
maybe he's your life. He's in exact Martin, you know,
Oh that's.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
What I think he is. Yeah, that's what I think
he will inevitably be, which is wonderful, right, yeah, you
take that, especially in this draft. I don't want to
be picking four and five in this draft anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
At five, Miller has the position that fills the biggest
need for the Jaguars, being Abdull Carter.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I disagree with that heavily. They have two edge guys
that are pretty good and unless you don't count Walker
as an edge and he's more of a.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Saying he could play off ball linebacker. And I'm draft
one of the other two guys. Maybe you don't pick
up Yeah, maybe you don't.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That makes me crazy with Carter and Walker a little
bit like, Okay, they can do it, but I'm not
using a top ten pick on them to play off
the ball lineback. No.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Reed's pick is Mason Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan Tuckey.
At six, Miller's pick for the Raiders is Travis Hunter. Now,
remember he had all the quarterbacks going early.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Sure, I mean their corner and receiver situation needs work. Right.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Here's the thing with this Travis Travis Hunter stuff. I
was thinking about this as over driving home last night.
You only have so many hours a week because of
the CBA as a team in which you can have
your players in the building.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Okay, with coaches, I mean they can do their own
work at home, right.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's different. Ok So, here's the problem that I have
with Travis Hunter playing both both ways on a full
time basis. My offensive and defensive meetings are at the
same time, at the same time. You've only got so
many hours on a Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
They were at Colorado till you went to the defensive one.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, okay, So if he's going to be an offensive player,
he's going to be He can't. This isn't This isn't Colorado.
He's not going to get away with running sloppy routes
or just being faster than everybody. He won't out athlete
every He's not gonna out athlete. He'll still be one
of the best athletes on the field, but he's not
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gonna out athletes. So he ends up in Cleveland. He's
not gonna out athlete. Chase Higgins Pickens Mexican Joey Porter
Junior lined up opposite him. Joey's gonna like all his
arms and legs going everywhere.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Like Ward or you know, I mean, just the guy's
in the division Higgins. You know, right, there's gonna be
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Dudes, and so I I don't know that he can play.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I think he can.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
People talk about, well, there's more plays running college football,
There's there's more downtime, Okay, there are, But you're not
lining up against a professional, a guy who this is
what he does for a living. Yeah, not some guy
who three years from now is going to be working
at you.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Know, especially at Jackson State. I mean he can go
seventy five percent and be the best player in the
field there.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
But even at Colorado, based on who they were playing against,
how many how many true NFL future NFL cornerbacks did
he see at wide receiver? How many future wide receivers
NFL wide receivers did he see a cornerback where he
could just go again? Seventy five percent? And I got
this guy covered, then I can save my energy. Right,
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you're not playing, he's not playing George Pickens and DK
Metcalf every week.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Right with weather and late in the year, you got
twelve games under your belt.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You didn't see anybody in college. It looks like DK
Metcalf No.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I mean he had a hard time against Allen mumenroor yeah,
the stand market right about his worst day in that regard,
I don't know how it will work. I would still
take him at two and if I were the Brown
I'd get it. He's a great prospect, no question, no question.
I don't Yeah, I know you're not questioning him as
a prospect. I just don't know what his twenty four
hour day is in week twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
And do I have to change as a team How
where how my meetings are run and when when they're
scheduled based on him?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
For one guy right or one guy? I bet you won't.
I mean team meetings are like you said, offense meets
when defense meets.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I'm not going to bring my own offense in to
meet at eight o'clock in the morning when defense will
be here at ten, so Travis can make the meeting
right and my offensive guys, we're gonna be going what second.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Ones in the weight room while you're meeting or blah
blah blah.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That doesn't work out like that, Like it sounds.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like most teams see him more of a corner and
then wide receiver, which I understand, but the Browns, the
Browns need a wide receiver more. I need a corner.
You know, I would be in the offensive room if
I'm a Brown.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And again I think in last year's draft he might
He's probably the number one cornerback taken. Yeah, but he's
the number six wide receiver taken.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I don't know about that. I think he fights at
Douneesa for three, don't. I think Brian Thomas was a
better Thomas. It was a better problem. They're both bigger, stronger,
faster type guys. Again, I don't even know. I think
he's fast. The tape shows he's fast, but he's not
as big as those guys. No, No, he's a different style.
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He's an Odell type or something like. He's not as
big those guys.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And you know, so, I think he's a much better
cornerback prospect than he is a wide receiver prospect.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I don't. I think he's equally awesome at both. But
I don't know that he could be equally awesome in
the league if he has to split time.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I don't know how that was, by the way.
I mean, you know, one of his injuries in college
was and I understand it was kind of a cheap shot,
but he had a lacerated spleen or whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It was an organ of some sort of kid be
a spleen or something.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Right, the guys in the NFL hit pretty hard. Yeah,
just throwing that out there.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Also, you've made the point too is and if he
gets injured, you lose two starters. Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
That hurts.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
It's brutal, and he's out there more than anybody else.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I just don't know that he's going to get away
with saying, well, if I don't get to play both ways,
I'm not going to play. I have a hard time.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
But I don't believe that part he's gonna play. What
else is he gonna do? Right? Yeah? Real quick though,
but if you which I don't think will be the case,
because he'll be a Brown if he was a corner,
if he majored in corner, you could work after with
the quarter back. And you know, yeah, I run four
routes and I'm still useful.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Fifteen to twenty snaps of game exactly, not on a
full time right, every third long you're out there, or
we're down by six in the last drive, you're out there.
You know, even that makes it tough because you got
to know the hand signals. You get into the adjustments
in a loud stadium, and yeah, yeah, because if you
make a wrong we're oute there and the quarterback throws
an interception. Right, quarterback's gonna be next time you have
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a meeting with him after practice, he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Put Jerry Judy back out there. Somebody knows what they're doing, right.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Reid has the Raiders taking Ashton Genty. Okay, for the Jets,
both guys pick arm On Membo.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It really sounds like Membo and Warren are the two
to consider. I would definitely take Membo.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah. At eight, Miller has the Panthers taking Jaylen Walker,
the linebacker from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
We had a long talk today on We're doing We're
just doing our defensive line ranks on a different podcast,
and Walker worries me. I mean, if you're a four
to three team, he doesn't worry me. For the Steelers,
he could be a stand up yeah two point. You know,
if you're a four to three team, play in the
Ravens and he's your down end, good luck with that.
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Yeah right, I mean he's there's nobody doing that. Now.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Maybe maybe you play him on the edge or you
play him at off ball linebacker, but you have him
as overhanging and he can rush the passer from there.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
But right, I mean this goes back to my Carter
Walker thing about well he can play off the ball linebacker. Well,
if you need an off ball linebacker, takes s Wessenger
take an off ball linebacker. I mean, I'm I'm investing
these guys to rush the passer.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Reid has them taking Tedoro McMillan, which seems that Carolina
Carolina wide receiver from Arizona.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Literally.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
At nine, Miller has the Saints taking Tyler Shuck quarterback
from Louisville.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Biggest knee knee quarterbacks are gone. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah. Reid has some taking Alm Walker, the edge rusher
linebacker out of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I meant they need everything.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
At ten, Miller has the Bears taking Ashton Genty, running
back from Boise State.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think that's the latest he could go. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Reid has them taking the best value pick would be
Tyler Warren tight end from Penn State.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'd be fine with it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
At eleven, Miller has the forty nine ers taking the
pick that fills their biggest need, Will Johnson cornerback Michigan.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's not hard to find needs on that team either.
Elon Joy then o line joy thin.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Reed's best value is Mikel Williams, the EDG rusher out
of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
We were doing ed rusher today and he was I
had him ahead of Walker just because I mean, for
a generic system.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I have walked the listed is my number one off
ball linebacker. Okay, rushing a passer, but I'd rather see him.
If he's going to do it, do it. Blitzing twelve,
Miller has the pick that fills the biggest need for
the Cowboys, being Matthew Golden, wide receiver from Texas. Reid
has to pick the same for the same value, best value.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I do wonder, and I think they'll have the choice.
Would they pick Golden or McMillan. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, I don't know either. Miami. At thirteen, Miller has
to pick that fills the biggest need being Calvin Banks,
junior offensive tackle from Texas.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, I very much agree.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Reid has the best value being his teammate at Texas,
Johnny Barron, cornerback.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And they there's a lot of directions that you go.
We just out of that conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
For Indianapolis, Miller has the pick that fills the biggest
need as being Colston Loveland. I don't agree with that.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
They're not great at tight end, but they don't they're
heavy like the heaviest running team make. I mean, if
you're gonna only if you're only going to complete forty
eight percent of your passes, regardless of who you're throwing
to it, adding a tight end to the equation doesn't
the passketchers too. They've got pass catchers, yeah, downs and
those guys too. And your biggest your biggest need is
to get your quarterback to throw the ball accurately.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, I mean, and even just signing Daniel Jones implies
there's gonna be a lot of quarterback running too.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah right. I think they have a need on their
offensive line. I think they could a little bit of
everything on defense wouldn't hurt. They could use some they
could use a cornerback, they could use a I don't
think they're on the spot to take a tight end
in the first round. That's kind of a luxury pick.
From where I do, I agree. I agree Reid has
the same pick Colson Love fifteen Atlanta. Miller has the
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pick that pills the biggest need being ed Rusher. Obviously,
edge rusher Mike Green Yeah. Uh, Reid has the pick
that has the best value there being g Hud Campbell,
the linebacker out of Alabama.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Okay, I mean they're all front seven. Is not great?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Really the Colts to me, they should take you, Hud Candles.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I say campb will be great.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Camp will be great. There Yeah there linebackers. May they
make a thousand tackles, they do every year, but their
eight yards downfield? Right since Leonard sixteen Arizona. The pick
that fills the biggest need, the biggested Mason Graham, defensive
tackle from Michigan. No way, he'll be there, no right.
(31:10):
The pick that fills the best value is Mike greene
edge russer for Marshall. That's why the Cardinals are a
team that you have to watch. Yeah, they're kind of
a wild card. They could take they could take one
of those defensive tackles.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
They could. They absolutely could. The Niners could too, they could,
I mean might yeah. Yeah, someone out there is gonna
love Nolan. Yeah with that, yeah, maybe it is Arizona.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
At seventeen the Bengals for Miller. The pick that fills
the biggest need is cornerback Johnny Barron.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Okay, I probably would go edge, Michael Williams, whatever, but
their corners are bad.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The corners are bad. Baron can play the slot for you.
Hilton's gone, He's gone. He can play inside, he can
play outside.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, it would be useful.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Reeds picked it for the best value. Derek Harmon, defensive
tackle from Oregon.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I get it, I think, which is a bigger need
than too, And there's so many.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I mean, even if Hendrickson's back, he's still for how long?
You only have one? Yeah, and he's got one year
left on his deal? Is he going to be there?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
And he's not young too, I mean, if he was
happy as could be in under contract, he's not. I
don't know. Miles Murphy and those guys need to step up.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah, they've they've tried and they've tried. But at eighteen,
Miller's picked that fills the biggest need. Is Tyler Booker,
the guard from Alabama to what team is eighteen Seattle.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yes, he doesn't really fit the system that well, but
the position fits.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah. Reed's pick is Kelvin Banks Junior, the offensive tackle
from Texas. Maybe he's a guard to Yeah, at nineteen,
Miller's picked that fills the biggest need is Jihad Campbell,
the linebacker out of Alabama with the team again Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes on.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Reed's pick that gets the best value is Will Johnson,
the cornerback from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I could see him sliding a little. I don't get
that far.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I could see him say, I don't see him getting
to twenty one. Let's put it that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Way, right, Like I could see since he jumping on him.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh yeah. At twenty Miller's pick for the Broncos that
fills the biggest need is Amary and Hampton.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I agree, their running backs are pretty rough.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Reachs pick that has the best value is Mari and Hampton.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Okay, sometimes they collide and those are one of these
chalky picks where you see it all the time.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
At twenty one, Miller's pick that fills the biggest need.
I disagree with this Jaylen Milroe Mann show. Yeah, so
he's just aready slotting the quarterbacks in there. That is
not the biggest need on the Steelers roster. It just isn't.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Isn't. The tackle is a gaping hole.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Right, if you picked a running back there, I would
have less right.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I agree, I agree, like I mean, as the roster's
constructed on this day, it's pretty light a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, but they don't happen right right now. They're short
one starting defensive lineman right right. I don't care how
you parse it. They are short. They released Larry Ogan
Jobie and they haven't replaced him. They all apologies Isaiah
louder Milk, and you know some of the other guys
they saw those aren't capable replacements.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
No, and your best guy is very old.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And your best guy is going to be thirty six
in May.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty clear to me.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, you have to replace that. That is your biggest need.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yes, yes, yes, now you can live with You could
not draft a quarterback this year and I would understand.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, I mean, zero reads picked it gets the best
value is should or Sanders they both have them. Taking
a quarterback. I'm sorry. Not happening, folks, Not happening. I mean,
if it happens, I would understand it. Sure, I don't
think it's happening again.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
If you love a quarterback, I understand it, no matter
what your needs are, no matter what. But I don't
think that's how it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
If you love something you said it, free, free Free.
Twenty two the Chargers, Miller's pick is Tyler Warren, the
tight end from Penn State.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Doubt he lasts that long, but they oftener it's Loveland.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
He's making the pick that fills the biggest need. Yeah yeah,
Reads pick that gets the best value is a Mecca
Igbuka wide receiver from Ohio State. Okay, he would be
a little redundant for them.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah yeah. At two pass catchers is pretty clear though.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
At twenty three for the Packers, Miller's pick that fills
the biggest need is Trey Amos, the cornerback from Ole.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Miss, especially if Charlie Alexander's on the move, which I
don't know he'll play for the Packers this year.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Reads pick that has the best value is Trey Amos.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Okay, Okay, so that seemed a little early for me.
For Amos, but all the top corners, he's so many issues.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
He's more clean than the that's the thing, and I
know what I'm buying. He's a good player and he's clean. Yeah,
all right. At twenty four, Miller's pick that fills the
biggest need for the Minnesota Vikings is Maxwell Harriston the
cornerback out of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Agreed corners pretty rough right now.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Reeds picked that gets the best value is Walter Nolan,
defensive tackle from Ole Miss m Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I mean Nolan should go in that neighborhood if not sooner.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
At twenty five for Houston, Miller's pick that fills the
biggest need is Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle from Ohio.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
State, and they could wait on him while he recovers.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah. Reed's picked that gets the best value is Gray Zabel,
the interior offensive lineman from North Dakota State. They just
need offensive line. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I bet they draft two in the top four rounds
or so.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah. At twenty six for the Rams, Miller's picked that
fills the biggest need is cornerback Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I guess the corner is getting getting recycle three. That's right.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Nol royan Schuck are going in the first round. Yeah. Yeah,
for the biggest need, reeds pick that gets the best
value is Maxwell Hairston, cornerback out of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
So they agree on corner.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah. For the Ravens, Miller's picked that fills the biggest need.
For the Ravens is TEDAROA. McMillan, the wide receiver out
of Arizona. I don't know if they'd go receiver high.
I think it their biggest need to me remains on
their offensive line.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I think the guards are pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I think the guards are bad. Reeds picked it gets
the best value as Mantlekai Starks the safety from Georgia.
At twenty eight, Detroit's pick for Miller is Shamar Stewart
edge rusher out of Texas, A and M fine.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I don't love them, but going edge there is pretty common.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Reads. Picked that gets the best value is Tyler Booker,
guard from Alabama.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I think that's pretty likely. They're a big power line
and they lost Zeitler and keep a strength with strength.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, for the Commanders at twenty nine, Miller's picked that fills.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
The biggest Booker gets past the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
No, I don't know if he does either. Miller's pick
that fills the biggest need is Treyvon Henderson running back
out of Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
What team again, I Paul Washington. I suppose they're not
short on needs either though.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah. Reed's pick that gets the best value is Shamar
Stewart edge rusher from Texas A and M.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, their edge guys aren't great.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
At thirty for the Bills, Miller's pick that fills the
biggest need is Chevon Revel Junior, the cornerback out of
East Carolina.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I don't like a corner room outside of Benford at all.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Reid's pick is also Chevon Revel. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
At thirty one, Miller's pick that fills the biggest need
is Mikel Williams, the edge rusher out of Georgia. Couldn't
believe he was still on the boarder.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, I think he's long gone. But that's fine.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, you had all these stabs taking quarterbacks and running
backs ahead of this. Reed's pick that gets the best
value is Kenneth Grant, defensive tackle from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I could see that too.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
For the Eagles, Miller's pick that fills the biggest need
is Nick Muori, safety out of South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Your safeties are pretty nondescript.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
That is also Reid's pick. Hm filling the best or
getting the best value Nick Emuary.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I know they've kind of changed their tune and investing
in linebackers and running backs, but I don't know that
they're going to take a safety in the first round.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, well he's big safety.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
He's a big safety. I bet it's d line.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Anyways, that was an interesting little uh back and forth there.
I don't see six quarterbacks or five where now I
was going in the first round.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
No, but the teams have needs. I get it. But
I mean there was corners with bad hips and bad
knees and stuff too. Going in the first round. You
know that will not be the way that the No. No,
but it's an interesting way of looking at it, just just.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
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Speaker 2 (39:50):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the
Matt Williamson and Matt Jaylen Walker and mikeel Williams. Yesterday
had a private workouts and did some stuff. I guess
Walker not only did some drills as a pass rusher,
but also did some drills as an off the ball
linebacker and apparently looked well moving moving around.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I don't doubt it. I mean, he does move really well.
He's supposedly a super high character leader, tough guy, all
that stuff, and I made light of it. You know
that if you're in draft, the guy high one of
them rush in the passer. But I don't know physically
that he can play on the line of scrimmage every snap.
That would be yeah, and dickle Boe would love him.
I think he dropped them into coverage.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I think he'd be great as an off ball linebacker
in a three four defense like the Kendrell Bell Chad Brown.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I think, okay, everyone, you're just gonna rush the path.
We're gonna blitch you ten times a game.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I think he's more I don't. I think that would
be a great role for.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Him because his speed, I mean he can run.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Oh, he can run. Yeah, and his explosiveness is like
he's a three four outside linebacker.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
You know, school will drop into flats and Brown did
both Timmins did both know that type of player.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I think that's what he is.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I just think the problem for him is going to
be if he has to line up out there on
a regular basis, it's gonna be in trouble if Carolina
takes him a nine and just says, you're every down
left end.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, I'm running at them all all day long. Right,
He's in deal with tackles and tight ends.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
And you know that's one thing. And I get this
question a lot from from fans, especially after coming off
of the rushing game, that the Steelers a lot in
the playoffs. Isn't the three four outdated? Don't the Steelers
need to get bigger at defensive end? I'm like their end, like, no,
they're playing a five man from when they're in their
three four defense. They're in a five man.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Five to two. It bothers me to no end that
people call it three four, it's a five.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
It's a five to two. Those two outside linebackers, Mikel
Williams doesn't look all that different from t J. Watt. No,
but he could play four to three defensive end.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Right. He's heavier, yeahah long, he's.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Too beat six five, two hundred and sixty pounds, that's
what he is. He's not that different from Alex high Smith.
They're all two hundred and fifty plus right right, right.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
They make it sound like the Steelers are playing with
two hundred thirty five pound guys.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
They're not. They're strong, dude.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That was that was an argument when Greg Lloyd was playing. Yeah,
outside linebacker, two hundred and twenty five pounds.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Frankly, that worries me a little bit about her Big.
He's a little light for that.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, he's a little light for that.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Him and Alex Heismith. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
They don't look alike. They don't look he doesn't look
like t J.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
No, he's a two hundred and thirty five pound edg rusher.
He's a speedball off the edge.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
He's really good at it. But I mean a game
or two being the starter. Sure, Yeah, I don't know ansistently, right,
right right.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And that's that's the other when people talk about trading, well,
you trade t J. Watt, you've got Nick Krbig waiting.
I'm like, TJ. Wat's one of the best runs run defense,
the best edge guys in the.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
League, even including the two hundred eighty pound defensive.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, right now, you're going to be going to a guy.
And this is no knock on Nick Kerbig.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
It's not how he's built that's not what he's built
to do.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
He's built to rush the passer.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Right, And I think that's part of the reason you
make the Green Bay trade for the big, heavy base
end type guy for the home stretch. Didn't pay a
lot of dividends, but that was the logic behind it. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
But yeah, so you know, like.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
In a vacuum, I like Williams more than Walker, but
Walker's more explosive and Williams it was more productive, more productive.
Williams also played with an ankle. I don't know how
much of that. That's why I like a workout played
with two ankles. One was working so well. But that's
why you do this now, you know, like maybe his
workouts are a lot better because he's actually right right, right,
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he's more of the prototype.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, but this idea that that you know, they're the
most four to three defenses. The defensive ends are two
hundred and fifty two and sixty two hundred and seventy
pounds at most. They're not all that different from TJ.
Watt and Alex Highsmith, right right.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I think the bottom line is what you laid out
there is I think people don't realize how big Watt
and Heismith are or had an LB next to her
name right right, or walk past him in the halls
at the facility, like, oh, he's well put together, thick dude,
he's not thin at all. You know, her Big doesn't
look like those guys.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
He doesn't. He just he just doesn't. Not that again.
I loved him in the draft coming out. He was
my favorite pass rusher to watch him the draft because
he's like the Tasmanian devil.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
He does right.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
But to ask him to go out there for seventeen
games and consistently take on offensive tackles so much.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Obviously, James Harrison is a different beast because of his
low center, graphic thickness, et cetera. You said Lloyd was
like two twenty five ish. Everybody was a little smaller
than a little smaller than that.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
But there was always talk about moving him off the ball, Like,
I think her Big can be a starter in the
league two and I think he would start for a
lot of teams in the league.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
But he might still want to rotate him a little bit.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
He might rotate a little bit and he might be,
you know, a four to three outside linebacker that because
he can drop and he can.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Well that's the reason. See what was going as they did. Yeah,
a lot of people thought.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
He's a tweener.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
I'm not sure what he is, right right, right, Yeah,
Well he's.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
A tweener that rushes the passer really well. Right, there
are guys who play that role in the NFL and
do it really well.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And frankly that might be Walker, but I might use
on top ten pick on that, right, but who else
are you gonna.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Tell you if you looked at it. Probably if you
looked at Jalen Walker and Nick Herbig next to each other,
they'd be pretty close. I mean they're pretty close in.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Size, right, Neither one's like whoa look at that.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, they're both six to one. They're both you know,
I bet Herbig's probably two thirty eight, two forty Walker's
two forty three.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yeah, neither one is crazy long arms or monster hands
or anything crazy like that.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
But they do have speed.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
They speed, and they have technique. Yeah, therap, you're on right.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
So anyways, I just thought that was interesting. They had
a little private workout yesterday for scouts, just trying to
solidify themselves. It's a really good edge rushing draft.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
It is it was hard building. We're doing that today.
Just who's your top five? Generically? It really comes down
a team and scheme. Yeah, you know who you'd really
want to pick. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
We're also doing a thing for Steelers dot Com next
week is going to come out our top ten offensive
and defensive players. That's an interesting little dynamic with I
did the offense. I sent you guys the offense last thing.
I'm like, I got different way looking at Yeah, I
got to nine and I'm like, there's four or five
guys here that I could put in these nine and
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ten spots. It just depends on what you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Did you take Hunter? You're gonna put a Hunter on
both or neither, or one or the other.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
If I put them on offense or not. I think
I did, but I'm not in love with it.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, you know it's interesting. Yeah, it is different to
do a top ten all offense. Center versus Matthew Golden, Right,
aren't the same.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
No, this offensive tackle versus that running back.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, Hampton versus Campbell or whatever. It doesn't mean where
they're going to go. Campbell's gonna go earlier, right, But
who's the better prospect?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
I think if I remember correctly, genty is my number
one offensive.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I think I would to thinking I think he's pretty
easily my one.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, but anyways, let's get through a break. That's going
to do it for our number one of the drive
here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt Now, I'll be
back with our number two right after this
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he
is the Matt Williamson. It's a lovely Friday, awesome out
right now. Yeah, it's ready to hit the weekend. Here.
We are now less than a week from the NFL Draft.
By this time next week, seven days from now, we
will know who the Steelers first round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Assuming there is one. Yeah, but the first round will
be in the books.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm going to assume that there is a first round
draft pick. I would think, so, I don't see them
trading out of the first round. Well, I mean they've
never done that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I hear you out here till I can blow your
doors off, the Brownies, the Giants, whatever, But no, I mean.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I've just never done it. They just take the player
that they want and are happy with it. I know,
we trade down a lot, we don't often trade out
of the first round because.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
No, you know, I mean again, there's a lot of
players I like in this draft, and I like where
they're sitting. I would love to move down you'd have
to blow my doors off to go far. But you
know it will be nice though a week from now
have players on teams. Yeah, and then and know who's left,
you know, talking.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
About this stuff again, much of the focus remains on nationally. Steelers,
got to go get a quarterback, not to get a quarterback,
got to get a quarterback. Heading into this draft, you've
got the Giants, the Browns, the Steelers, the Titans are
going to take it a quarter Yeah, we know what's
happening there. The Saints could certainly take a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Rams could take a quarterback. So is that six teams?
I'd say the Jets. The Jets are also.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
A fields is really a one year deal.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The Raiders could take a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably about it. I mean,
Hawks could take a quarterback. Darnold's basically a one year deal.
I hesitated to bring him up because they disinvested in them.
But if that goes wrong, then you would chuck sitting
there or whatever. It wouldn't be such a bad thing.
And they got five picks in the first two days.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And I don't know that the Dolphins aren't going to
take a quarterback. Early. They could take Gabriel in the fifth,
but they need to take a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
They do, they do, They have so many other needs
to to I mean they're in bad shape. It might
be missing one or two.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You know, that's what nine or ten Okay, well there's
nine or ten quarterbacks in this draft that.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah, I mean to your point I assume is
there will be several stages throughout the draft where there's
an acceptable quarterback to take at that pick, most likely.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Where that that's where the value aligns.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
If they pass on quarterback in round one, which I
believe I believe they will. Yeah, I do think five
will be gone before their next pick, though potentially potentially,
I mean it's not a done deal. But yeah, I
mean there's that top group and then you're looking at
backup types for me.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, and really all the other guys are other than
Ward are going to be backups this year.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I don't expect any of these guys outside of Ward
to be the day one starter.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
The Browns, like, give me pause. I think it'd be
tough to go past Winston and Wilson in New York.
I don't know, beating out Flacco and pick It would
be insurmountable for Sanders or somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I don't see them taking Sanders though.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think the Hunter and then try to trade back up.
You know, if Dart goes to the Saints or something
like that, you know, Dart needs to sit.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I think, well, I think Sanders needs to sit.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Wouldn't hurt him.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think, like I'm saying from day one, I don't
expect Shooter Sanders now. At some point this season in
twenty twenty five, he may wind up being the starter.
Oh yeah, yeah, but I can't say it for day one.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, you brought in
Pickett and Flacco for a reason. Certainly Wilson and Winston
are keep you know.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, even if the Steelers drafted one, Oh, the Steelers
draft one, I don't think he's not starting day one.
I don't know how you can be the number two, right,
I mean, they have a number two on the team
that's got that job pretty locked in. I think i'd
be shocked to Rudolph as the opening day starter.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So that's where we're kind of at. You know, but
I look, I look at the Dolphins. I mean they
get Tua. And here's the thing with the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I really hate where their team's at right now. They're
a disaster.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They just signed the cornerback Ramsey Ramsey to a new
deal last year.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, now they're gonna you're gonna trade him, and
I'm not sure you're gonna get much back. I mean,
I've heard things they might have to cut him.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They just signed Tyreek Hill to a new deal last year. Yeah, like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I think they pushed their chips in to win now,
and you often lose that battle, and they're losing it
big now. And now they're quarterback's expensive and their franchise
left tackle retired and you don't have much waiting in
the you know, you look at their team needs all
across the old line, maybe another wide out. No one
ever talks about that if Hill's not going to be
in the mix. The tackles really poor safety safety corner
(05:13):
is pretty suspect too. They're expensive stuff, left tackles and yeah, right,
let alone a backles well, and.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
They paid for those guys, right, but they did it
at the wrong like things didn't match up well for them. No,
they didn't marry their salary cap to what.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
The roster actually was, right, right. I think that they
as a franchise lacks some self awareness, you know, like
it's great in the first two months of the season
and South Beach and it's warm, but then you go
to Buffalo and New England and New York late in
the year, let alone playoffs, and you're not built that
way in terms of you know, the players you play with.
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I mean there's a lot of speed and how many
four or three running backs do you need? You know,
give me a guard, yeah, no, sackle know right, yeah.
I just I think as an interesting build and that
could be.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
A team that next year at this time, we're talking
about them moving on from to at Tago Viloa.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Mm hmm. Absolutely, I think that's quite possible. I look
at him and party and it's not a coincidence the
Miami staff came from San Francisco that you know, what
if Trent Williams is gone, Deebo's gone, you know, all
of a sudden, like your Stars and Scrubs thing, bosas
a year older, Ramsey's gone, Tyreek's out, you know, all
of a sudden, It's like got Wattle and Pierce all
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and Kittle's getting old, you know what I mean. And
your quarterbacks aren't elevators and they're expensive. Yeah, that's I mean,
I assume Party's gonna a contract.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Phok and Nakua came out today. Yeah, I said and
said something about if the forty nine ers pay Rock
Party fifty plus million dollars, their window is closed. I
kind of get it.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I mean then they're a lot like the Steelers to
me in terms of their offseason, where they lost way
more than they gave it up kind of on purpose though.
I mean, they have a ton of compics coming their
way next year, much like Pittsburgh. And I don't think
any of their losses they were like, oh man, we
really wanted to keep them. But I don't see much
waiting in the wings to replace them.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
They don't haven't draft very well. Yeah, if you look
back their last five drafts or so kickers in the
third round and backup tight ends and the third round,
and let's be honest, they got Purty was a complete
oh gift from.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Drafted. They traded up the draft a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Right, I mean Solomon Thomas with like the third pick
in the draft, lance with the third pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Those are big multiple picks to.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Go get Lance, right, and they happened to luck into
party and he's keeping them above water. I think Shanahan's
a really good coach. I think he's a great offensive mind.
I don't know if he's a good head coach. That's
what I was gonna say is I think the shocks people.
He's been a head coach eight years for the for
the Niners. Four of them they've won double digit games
and have gone to playoffs and Super Bowls, et cetera.
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The other four they've lost double digit games. Right, I mean,
there's nothing roller coaster, there's nothing in between. It's never
a seven, eight, nine win season, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Was there even just ten wins? Ten wins? Ten wins?
Which with that like this just up and down.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And I mean they got Boso because they were the
second worst team in the league, you know, and then
they were great after that for a year and then
they're down and the Jimmy stuff and they're both those
teams are two stars and scrubs ish for me. But
the Niners have had so many good cons. They've they've
worked the compic game extremely well. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
A lot of it's been higher as coaches part of it,
which has worked great for them, But they're not hitting
on the picks.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
They need more third rounders that are cheap, you know, starters, poonies,
guys like that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, but I don't see the Steelers taking a quarterback
in the first round.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I continue to say, I think it's going to be
a defensive tackle. The only outlier to that would be
Omari and Hampton.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, but I think one of the tackles. The tackles
would have to not be there.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, I think those guys would all have to be gone,
and Hampton falls into your lap. I think you take
the defensive tackle over Sanders.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
We're dark those three with the three we always talk about.
If they're sitting there, I think you take the d
tackle and go from there. I don't love the quarterback
prospects enough.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
No, I don't either, And that's you know, I get
it again. We've said consistently, I'm not doing this counting
on next year's quarterback class being better than this one.
I don't love this one, right, that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
It's growing on me. But I always worry is a
grown on me because I need one. Said the other
day if we were in Buffalo would be like this
quarterback class. Thanks, I don't care about it, you know?
Or are we squinting? Going? Been at the bar a
little long. It's looking better and better as the night
goes on, Like tell the mistakes are made.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, you knows how mistakes are made. And and I.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Don't even care what is projected for next year's quarterba
it's his door number two. It's just go fish. I'm like,
this isn't the time or place. Okay, Well then we'll
try it next year.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'll take that. I'll take that chance because I get
to love the guy who's available at twenty one, because
maybe next year to a Tago Viloa and I don't
I'm just throwing that name out there. There'll be two
or three guys like There'll be guys like that who
are available.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
There will be there, always is, and there will be right,
I mean, I know, like even if like a car
or a cousin's I mean, ones that aren't as exciting,
But is Dak Prescott's leash kind of coming to a
time who knows?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You just don't You just don't know. And based on
so much of that could depend on what happens this season.
If some of these teams that quote unquote have their
franchise quarterback all of a sudden find themselves picking fifth
next year and they do like the quarterback class or
a quarterback, Yeah, they could take him and then say
you know what you get the justin field situation.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, or even like you opened the show, say it's
Seattle and they take Shock in the second round. They're like,
we got something here. Yeah, well, Donald's available. Donald's available,
right right? Let alone what could be next year' score.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Where the Raiders take one and now a Gino Smith's older,
right right, Gino Smith's available.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, you know you can pry him away even though
they signed him this year or whatever. That stuff happens
all the time. Fields hit the market again. Donald did
some market again. You know, maybe they have good years
and they still hit the market right they become too expensive.
I went to double check this because the Mahomes trade
up on in round one of his draft day. He
was the tenth pick in the draft. The Chiefs, I
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think everyone remembers they were a playoff team, but they
had the twenty seventh pick.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
They went way up.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I mean, there was several quarterbacks in that class, Deshaun
wattson Trubisky. It doesn't matter if they worked that or not,
but they were well renowned they targeted Mahomes. Let's say
the Steelers picked twenty seven this year, that'd be a
wonderful season, you know. I mean it's you're one of
the best teams in the league, one playoff games. It
only cost them to get from twenty seven to the
twenty seventh pick, their third rounder and next year's first
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Steelers could do that, you know, no problem.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
A year from me now, I mean, make that move
this year if they wanted to do based on all
the extra picks that they have.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Right right right exactly, you know, like that wouldn't be
moving up.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And I'm not saying they should do that toam.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
No, of course. But if there's three or four you
really like and you only have to get to seven, eight, eleven,
and you're picking twenty or twenty seven, it's not as
hard to pull off as you think.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Especially I think if we look at this again, the
list of teams ten at most need to draft a
quarterback to ye yah, yeah, well there's more quarterbacks available
than that in this draft.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
We'll get down into the fifth, sixth, and what's that?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
What's that going to be next year? You know, you're
going to have all these teams that either drafted a
quarterback early enough this year that they're not in the
market next year. Potentially, you know, the Tennessee is not
going to draft a quarterback last year.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And I would still think the team the six that
took him last year probably still still Yeah, maybe Bryce
Young's leash breaks or something maybe you know.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But so you start to look at that and you go, okay,
because right now I think what you see in the
league are a lot of teams with the with guys
on their rookie deals that you need to know, you
need to find out more about. Then you've got that
middle group of teams that feel like they have their guy,
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the Jordan loves the Homes and they're in there. They're
in the middle of that of that pack. And there
aren't as many teams anymore that have the old guy.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
No, that generation, that generations is gone. The Wentzes and
all those guys didn't live up to.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
The the Genos Smiths of the world, or they are
the old guys who are still starting. Stafford is the
old guy. If the Steelers do bring in Aaron Rodgers
and that's where you know, that's where you're at. But
there aren't as many of those guys as there were
six or seven years ago.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
No. I mean, first off, I think that era was
pretty strong in quarterback history, the Bens and Breezes and
Brady's and Mannings, et cetera, et cetera, Rodgers, but then
there was such a gap, almost a ten year stretch
there where the early picks quarterbacks very rarely hit. Yeah,
I mean there was a long stretch there Winston and
Mariota and Wentz and all these guys that are high
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picks that should be a little past their prime right now. Yeah,
but they never had a prime. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
So you know, those guys aren't there. They're just not
you know, they're not there. A lot of them are
still in the league, right they're just not starters. And
like Wilderton and Cousins are now holding on for starting
jobs or whatever they can.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You know, they good career.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
They've already been you know, you know in that chase
of Cousins, he's already been replaced.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, exactly. Wilson might get replaced on draft day, or
you might not be there long He's probably not their
long term starter.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know. So, I mean those teams aren't going to
be in the market for quarter so it may be
a situation where again, if there are let's say four
first round worthy quarterbacks next year, there might not be
four landing spots.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
No, and the bad teams will want to trade. I'll
take your future first. I'll take all the picture I
can get, right, I got a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Is cam Ward gonna turn the Titans around to take
them from picking first overall to picking eighteenth?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I don't think so. And I don't know the Steelers
will pick twenty seven, who knows. But let's say it's
twenty or twenty one, where they've been the last couple
of years, and the Titans are at five and they stink,
but they have a quarterback. You can get there.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
The Patriots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, they've got their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Patriots would be a great team this year to trade
out if somebody wanted to come get a quarterback I
don't want to get.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah. So, I mean that's just where we're at with
this particular draft, and I just I don't see the
Steelers reaching for a quarterback in this class.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I've thought all along. Next year is the best timing.
You have the best draft resources, you have a ton
of cap space. If you come out of the season,
you're like, man, I didn't project having a strong safety,
tackle and receiver. Need that they do whatever I'm just
making up. Yeah, well you can buy him on the
free agent market and then you use all your draft
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pick to go get the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah. So there's a lot of options. It's pot to
go a lot of different roads. Absolutely, let's get to
a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.
You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,
Matt and now I will be back with more right
after this.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson
on your twenty four to seven home of the Black
and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He
is the Matt Williamson and Matt Matt Miller and Jordan
Reid on ESPN put together a kind of a dueling
mock draft here where Miller going through the first round,
Miller name of the prospect who would best fill every
team's biggest were in some cases second biggest position need.
(17:07):
Reid then pointed to the prospect who would give the
team the maximum value, and safety is the best player available.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Okay, so safety, But there's the best one on the
board of the fiftieth best player, and they can't pick.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
The same player. So you're going to get two options
for every team at those spots, one from Miller, one
from Reed.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Okay, cool, all right, so they both are looking at
a different lens.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, So for the Tennessee Titans, Miller is picking cam
Ward Reid is picking Abdull Carter.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, you said they're not allowed to pick the same guy.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Can't pick the same guy, and it has to be
positional or Miller's there. Miller's doing the biggest need, where
Reid is doing the best value.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Uh. At two Cleveland, Miller has Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think that's their biggest need.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's their biggest need.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, Reid has them taking Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I think that's what we'll do.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
At three, Miller has the Giants taking Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh. So you can't take that, you can't twice, all right,
So he's going quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, Yeah, because those are
their biggest their biggest needs. Right, So the Saints might
get like Schucker, Millroe or somebody maybe, well.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Maybe I don't. Reid says the best value there would
be cam Ward. That would be great. They would love
to get cam Ward. Four. I should say it's not
not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
The beginning of this kind of gets a little screw
because we know what the okay.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
They actually can take the same player. I misunderstood that
the same player can't be picked by one guy twice,
is what. Okay, Well that makes sense because the Patriots,
Miller has them taking Will Campbell, Reid has them taking
Will Campbell.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I get it. I think Membo is a clearly better prospect,
but he's a right tackle.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, you take the left tackle prospect. Somebody asked me
on our message board this week about don't you think
Simmons has the highest upside of the left tackles? Yes,
but I don't. I can't see the medicals on him.
I don't know what that looks like. This was a
torn Patel attendant. Yeah, yeah, this is this something that's
likely to tear again. I got to talk to my
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doctors and find that out. Is this you know, is
this gonna limit him moving forward. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I'm not at all implying that Simmons should be the
pick at four, but I think on tape he's clearly
a better left tackle prospect than Campbell. But you don't
see many of the hard games. I mean, I think
he played five games for them, and there was some
decent competition, but you could just see the way he
moves and stuff. He's great, But that comes down to doctors, right,
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And there's also some off the field stuff with Simmons
floating around in terms of does he love football, yes,
maturity and dedication to the game. None of that with Campbell.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, no, there's none of that, total opposite. Right now,
he's a safe pick because even if he doesn't work
out at left tackle, other guards thing too, their guard
stand or maybe you bump him the right tackle. Yeah,
he'll play somewhere on your line. He's Pete Scorronski exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he'll play somewhere on your line. And he and you know,
maybe he's your life. He's in exact Martin, you know,
Oh that's.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
What I think he is. Yeah, that's what I think
he will inevitably be, which is wonderful, right, yeah, you
take that, especially in this draft. I don't want to
be picking four and five in this draft anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
At five, Miller has the position that fills the biggest
need for the Jaguars, being Abdull Carter.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I disagree with that heavily. They have two edge guys
that are pretty good and unless you don't count Walker
as an edge and he's more of a.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Saying he could play off ball linebacker. And I'm draft
one of the other two guys. Maybe you don't pick
up Yeah, maybe you don't.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That makes me crazy with Carter and Walker a little
bit like, Okay, they can do it, but I'm not
using a top ten pick on them to play off
the ball lineback. No.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Reed's pick is Mason Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan Tuckey.
At six, Miller's pick for the Raiders is Travis Hunter. Now,
remember he had all the quarterbacks going early.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Sure, I mean their corner and receiver situation needs work. Right.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Here's the thing with this Travis Travis Hunter stuff. I
was thinking about this as over driving home last night.
You only have so many hours a week because of
the CBA as a team in which you can have
your players in the building.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Okay, with coaches, I mean they can do their own
work at home, right.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's different. Ok So, here's the problem that I have
with Travis Hunter playing both both ways on a full
time basis. My offensive and defensive meetings are at the
same time, at the same time. You've only got so
many hours on a Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
They were at Colorado till you went to the defensive one.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, okay, So if he's going to be an offensive player,
he's going to be He can't. This isn't This isn't Colorado.
He's not going to get away with running sloppy routes
or just being faster than everybody. He won't out athlete
every He's not gonna out athlete. He'll still be one
of the best athletes on the field, but he's not
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gonna out athletes. So he ends up in Cleveland. He's
not gonna out athlete. Chase Higgins Pickens Mexican Joey Porter
Junior lined up opposite him. Joey's gonna like all his
arms and legs going everywhere.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Like Ward or you know, I mean, just the guy's
in the division Higgins. You know, right, there's gonna be
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Dudes, and so I I don't know that he can play.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I think he can.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
People talk about, well, there's more plays running college football,
There's there's more downtime, Okay, there are, But you're not
lining up against a professional, a guy who this is
what he does for a living. Yeah, not some guy
who three years from now is going to be working
at you.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Know, especially at Jackson State. I mean he can go
seventy five percent and be the best player in the
field there.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
But even at Colorado, based on who they were playing against,
how many how many true NFL future NFL cornerbacks did
he see at wide receiver? How many future wide receivers
NFL wide receivers did he see a cornerback where he
could just go again? Seventy five percent? And I got
this guy covered, then I can save my energy. Right,
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you're not playing, he's not playing George Pickens and DK
Metcalf every week.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Right with weather and late in the year, you got
twelve games under your belt.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You didn't see anybody in college. It looks like DK
Metcalf No.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I mean he had a hard time against Allen mumenroor yeah,
the stand market right about his worst day in that regard,
I don't know how it will work. I would still
take him at two and if I were the Brown
I'd get it. He's a great prospect, no question, no question.
I don't Yeah, I know you're not questioning him as
a prospect. I just don't know what his twenty four
hour day is in week twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
And do I have to change as a team How
where how my meetings are run and when when they're
scheduled based on him?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
For one guy right or one guy? I bet you won't.
I mean team meetings are like you said, offense meets
when defense meets.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I'm not going to bring my own offense in to
meet at eight o'clock in the morning when defense will
be here at ten, so Travis can make the meeting
right and my offensive guys, we're gonna be going what second.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Ones in the weight room while you're meeting or blah
blah blah.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That doesn't work out like that, Like it sounds.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like most teams see him more of a corner and
then wide receiver, which I understand, but the Browns, the
Browns need a wide receiver more. I need a corner.
You know, I would be in the offensive room if
I'm a Brown.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And again I think in last year's draft he might
He's probably the number one cornerback taken. Yeah, but he's
the number six wide receiver taken.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I don't know about that. I think he fights at
Douneesa for three, don't. I think Brian Thomas was a
better Thomas. It was a better problem. They're both bigger, stronger,
faster type guys. Again, I don't even know. I think
he's fast. The tape shows he's fast, but he's not
as big as those guys. No, No, he's a different style.
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He's an Odell type or something like. He's not as
big those guys.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And you know, so, I think he's a much better
cornerback prospect than he is a wide receiver prospect.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I don't. I think he's equally awesome at both. But
I don't know that he could be equally awesome in
the league if he has to split time.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I don't know how that was, by the way.
I mean, you know, one of his injuries in college
was and I understand it was kind of a cheap shot,
but he had a lacerated spleen or whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It was an organ of some sort of kid be
a spleen or something.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Right, the guys in the NFL hit pretty hard. Yeah,
just throwing that out there.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Also, you've made the point too is and if he
gets injured, you lose two starters. Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
That hurts.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
It's brutal, and he's out there more than anybody else.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I just don't know that he's going to get away
with saying, well, if I don't get to play both ways,
I'm not going to play. I have a hard time.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
But I don't believe that part he's gonna play. What
else is he gonna do? Right? Yeah? Real quick though,
but if you which I don't think will be the case,
because he'll be a Brown if he was a corner,
if he majored in corner, you could work after with
the quarter back. And you know, yeah, I run four
routes and I'm still useful.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Fifteen to twenty snaps of game exactly, not on a
full time right, every third long you're out there, or
we're down by six in the last drive, you're out there.
You know, even that makes it tough because you got
to know the hand signals. You get into the adjustments
in a loud stadium, and yeah, yeah, because if you
make a wrong we're oute there and the quarterback throws
an interception. Right, quarterback's gonna be next time you have
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a meeting with him after practice, he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Put Jerry Judy back out there. Somebody knows what they're doing, right.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Reid has the Raiders taking Ashton Genty. Okay, for the Jets,
both guys pick arm On Membo.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It really sounds like Membo and Warren are the two
to consider. I would definitely take Membo.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah. At eight, Miller has the Panthers taking Jaylen Walker,
the linebacker from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
We had a long talk today on We're doing We're
just doing our defensive line ranks on a different podcast,
and Walker worries me. I mean, if you're a four
to three team, he doesn't worry me. For the Steelers,
he could be a stand up yeah two point. You know,
if you're a four to three team, play in the
Ravens and he's your down end, good luck with that.
(27:19):
Yeah right, I mean he's there's nobody doing that. Now.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Maybe maybe you play him on the edge or you
play him at off ball linebacker, but you have him
as overhanging and he can rush the passer from there.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
But right, I mean this goes back to my Carter
Walker thing about well he can play off the ball linebacker. Well,
if you need an off ball linebacker, takes s Wessenger
take an off ball linebacker. I mean, I'm I'm investing
these guys to rush the passer.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Reid has them taking Tedoro McMillan, which seems that Carolina
Carolina wide receiver from Arizona.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Literally.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
At nine, Miller has the Saints taking Tyler Shuck quarterback
from Louisville.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Biggest knee knee quarterbacks are gone. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah. Reid has some taking Alm Walker, the edge rusher
linebacker out of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I meant they need everything.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
At ten, Miller has the Bears taking Ashton Genty, running
back from Boise State.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think that's the latest he could go. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Reid has them taking the best value pick would be
Tyler Warren tight end from Penn State.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'd be fine with it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
At eleven, Miller has the forty nine ers taking the
pick that fills their biggest need, Will Johnson cornerback Michigan.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's not hard to find needs on that team either.
Elon Joy then o line joy thin.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Reed's best value is Mikel Williams, the EDG rusher out
of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
We were doing ed rusher today and he was I
had him ahead of Walker just because I mean, for
a generic system.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I have walked the listed is my number one off
ball linebacker. Okay, rushing a passer, but I'd rather see him.
If he's going to do it, do it. Blitzing twelve,
Miller has the pick that fills the biggest need for
the Cowboys, being Matthew Golden, wide receiver from Texas. Reid
has to pick the same for the same value, best value.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I do wonder, and I think they'll have the choice.
Would they pick Golden or McMillan. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, I don't know either. Miami. At thirteen, Miller has
to pick that fills the biggest need being Calvin Banks,
junior offensive tackle from Texas.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, I very much agree.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Reid has the best value being his teammate at Texas,
Johnny Barron, cornerback.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And they there's a lot of directions that you go.
We just out of that conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
For Indianapolis, Miller has the pick that fills the biggest
need as being Colston Loveland. I don't agree with that.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
They're not great at tight end, but they don't they're
heavy like the heaviest running team make. I mean, if
you're gonna only if you're only going to complete forty
eight percent of your passes, regardless of who you're throwing
to it, adding a tight end to the equation doesn't
the passketchers too. They've got pass catchers, yeah, downs and
those guys too. And your biggest your biggest need is
to get your quarterback to throw the ball accurately.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, I mean, and even just signing Daniel Jones implies
there's gonna be a lot of quarterback running too.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah right. I think they have a need on their
offensive line. I think they could a little bit of
everything on defense wouldn't hurt. They could use some they
could use a cornerback, they could use a I don't
think they're on the spot to take a tight end
in the first round. That's kind of a luxury pick.
From where I do, I agree. I agree Reid has
the same pick Colson Love fifteen Atlanta. Miller has the
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pick that pills the biggest need being ed Rusher. Obviously,
edge rusher Mike Green Yeah. Uh, Reid has the pick
that has the best value there being g Hud Campbell,
the linebacker out of Alabama.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Okay, I mean they're all front seven. Is not great?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Really the Colts to me, they should take you, Hud Candles.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I say campb will be great.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Camp will be great. There Yeah there linebackers. May they
make a thousand tackles, they do every year, but their
eight yards downfield? Right since Leonard sixteen Arizona. The pick
that fills the biggest need, the biggested Mason Graham, defensive
tackle from Michigan. No way, he'll be there, no right.
(31:10):
The pick that fills the best value is Mike greene
edge russer for Marshall. That's why the Cardinals are a
team that you have to watch. Yeah, they're kind of
a wild card. They could take they could take one
of those defensive tackles.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
They could. They absolutely could. The Niners could too, they could,
I mean might yeah. Yeah, someone out there is gonna
love Nolan. Yeah with that, yeah, maybe it is Arizona.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
At seventeen the Bengals for Miller. The pick that fills
the biggest need is cornerback Johnny Barron.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Okay, I probably would go edge, Michael Williams, whatever, but
their corners are bad.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The corners are bad. Baron can play the slot for you.
Hilton's gone, He's gone. He can play inside, he can
play outside.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, it would be useful.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Reeds picked it for the best value. Derek Harmon, defensive
tackle from Oregon.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I get it, I think, which is a bigger need
than too, And there's so many.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I mean, even if Hendrickson's back, he's still for how long?
You only have one? Yeah, and he's got one year
left on his deal? Is he going to be there?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
And he's not young too, I mean, if he was
happy as could be in under contract, he's not. I
don't know. Miles Murphy and those guys need to step up.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah, they've they've tried and they've tried. But at eighteen,
Miller's picked that fills the biggest need. Is Tyler Booker,
the guard from Alabama to what team is eighteen Seattle.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yes, he doesn't really fit the system that well, but
the position fits.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah. Reed's pick is Kelvin Banks Junior, the offensive tackle
from Texas. Maybe he's a guard to Yeah, at nineteen,
Miller's picked that fills the biggest need is Jihad Campbell,
the linebacker out of Alabama with the team again Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes on.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Reed's pick that gets the best value is Will Johnson,
the cornerback from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I could see him sliding a little. I don't get
that far.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I could see him say, I don't see him getting
to twenty one. Let's put it that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Way, right, Like I could see since he jumping on him.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh yeah. At twenty Miller's pick for the Broncos that
fills the biggest need is Amary and Hampton.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I agree, their running backs are pretty rough.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Reachs pick that has the best value is Mari and Hampton.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Okay, sometimes they collide and those are one of these
chalky picks where you see it all the time.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
At twenty one, Miller's pick that fills the biggest need.
I disagree with this Jaylen Milroe Mann show. Yeah, so
he's just aready slotting the quarterbacks in there. That is
not the biggest need on the Steelers roster. It just isn't.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Isn't. The tackle is a gaping hole.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Right, if you picked a running back there, I would
have less right.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I agree, I agree, like I mean, as the roster's
constructed on this day, it's pretty light a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, but they don't happen right right now. They're short
one starting defensive lineman right right. I don't care how
you parse it. They are short. They released Larry Ogan
Jobie and they haven't replaced him. They all apologies Isaiah
louder Milk, and you know some of the other guys
they saw those aren't capable replacements.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
No, and your best guy is very old.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
And your best guy is going to be thirty six
in May.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty clear to me.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, you have to replace that. That is your biggest need.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yes, yes, yes, now you can live with You could
not draft a quarterback this year and I would understand.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, I mean, zero reads picked it gets the best
value is should or Sanders they both have them. Taking
a quarterback. I'm sorry. Not happening, folks, Not happening. I mean,
if it happens, I would understand it. Sure, I don't
think it's happening again.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
If you love a quarterback, I understand it, no matter
what your needs are, no matter what. But I don't
think that's how it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
If you love something you said it, free, free Free.
Twenty two the Chargers, Miller's pick is Tyler Warren, the
tight end from Penn State.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Doubt he lasts that long, but they oftener it's Loveland.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
He's making the pick that fills the biggest need. Yeah yeah,
Reads pick that gets the best value is a Mecca
Igbuka wide receiver from Ohio State. Okay, he would be
a little redundant for them.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah yeah. At two pass catchers is pretty clear though.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
At twenty three for the Packers, Miller's pick that fills
the biggest need is Trey Amos, the cornerback from Ole.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Miss, especially if Charlie Alexander's on the move, which I
don't know he'll play for the Packers this year.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Reads pick that has the best value is Trey Amos.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Okay, Okay, so that seemed a little early for me.
For Amos, but all the top corners, he's so many issues.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
He's more clean than the that's the thing, and I
know what I'm buying. He's a good player and he's clean. Yeah,
all right. At twenty four, Miller's pick that fills the
biggest need for the Minnesota Vikings is Maxwell Harriston the
cornerback out of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Agreed corners pretty rough right now.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Reeds picked that gets the best value is Walter Nolan,
defensive tackle from Ole Miss m Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I mean Nolan should go in that neighborhood if not sooner.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
At twenty five for Houston, Miller's pick that fills the
biggest need is Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle from Ohio.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
State, and they could wait on him while he recovers.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah. Reed's picked that gets the best value is Gray Zabel,
the interior offensive lineman from North Dakota State. They just
need offensive line. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I bet they draft two in the top four rounds
or so.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah. At twenty six for the Rams, Miller's picked that
fills the biggest need is cornerback Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I guess the corner is getting getting recycle three. That's right.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Nol royan Schuck are going in the first round. Yeah. Yeah,
for the biggest need, reeds pick that gets the best
value is Maxwell Hairston, cornerback out of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
So they agree on corner.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah. For the Ravens, Miller's picked that fills the biggest need.
For the Ravens is TEDAROA. McMillan, the wide receiver out
of Arizona. I don't know if they'd go receiver high.
I think it their biggest need to me remains on
their offensive line.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I think the guards are pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I think the guards are bad. Reeds picked it gets
the best value as Mantlekai Starks the safety from Georgia.
At twenty eight, Detroit's pick for Miller is Shamar Stewart
edge rusher out of Texas, A and M fine.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I don't love them, but going edge there is pretty common.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Reads. Picked that gets the best value is Tyler Booker,
guard from Alabama.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I think that's pretty likely. They're a big power line
and they lost Zeitler and keep a strength with strength.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, for the Commanders at twenty nine, Miller's picked that fills.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
The biggest Booker gets past the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
No, I don't know if he does either. Miller's pick
that fills the biggest need is Treyvon Henderson running back
out of Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
What team again, I Paul Washington. I suppose they're not
short on needs either though.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah. Reed's pick that gets the best value is Shamar
Stewart edge rusher from Texas A and M.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, their edge guys aren't great.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
At thirty for the Bills, Miller's pick that fills the
biggest need is Chevon Revel Junior, the cornerback out of
East Carolina.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I don't like a corner room outside of Benford at all.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Reid's pick is also Chevon Revel. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
At thirty one, Miller's pick that fills the biggest need
is Mikel Williams, the edge rusher out of Georgia. Couldn't
believe he was still on the boarder.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, I think he's long gone. But that's fine.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, you had all these stabs taking quarterbacks and running
backs ahead of this. Reed's pick that gets the best
value is Kenneth Grant, defensive tackle from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I could see that too.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
For the Eagles, Miller's pick that fills the biggest need
is Nick Muori, safety out of South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Your safeties are pretty nondescript.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
That is also Reid's pick. Hm filling the best or
getting the best value Nick Emuary.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I know they've kind of changed their tune and investing
in linebackers and running backs, but I don't know that
they're going to take a safety in the first round.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, well he's big safety.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
He's a big safety. I bet it's d line.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Anyways, that was an interesting little uh back and forth there.
I don't see six quarterbacks or five where now I
was going in the first round.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
No, but the teams have needs. I get it. But
I mean there was corners with bad hips and bad
knees and stuff too. Going in the first round. You
know that will not be the way that the No. No,
but it's an interesting way of looking at it, just just.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
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Matt Williamson and Matt Jaylen Walker and mikeel Williams. Yesterday
had a private workouts and did some stuff. I guess
Walker not only did some drills as a pass rusher,
but also did some drills as an off the ball
linebacker and apparently looked well moving moving around.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I don't doubt it. I mean, he does move really well.
He's supposedly a super high character leader, tough guy, all
that stuff, and I made light of it. You know
that if you're in draft, the guy high one of
them rush in the passer. But I don't know physically
that he can play on the line of scrimmage every snap.
That would be yeah, and dickle Boe would love him.
I think he dropped them into coverage.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I think he'd be great as an off ball linebacker
in a three four defense like the Kendrell Bell Chad Brown.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I think, okay, everyone, you're just gonna rush the path.
We're gonna blitch you ten times a game.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I think he's more I don't. I think that would
be a great role for.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Him because his speed, I mean he can run.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Oh, he can run. Yeah, and his explosiveness is like
he's a three four outside linebacker.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
You know, school will drop into flats and Brown did
both Timmins did both know that type of player.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I think that's what he is.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I just think the problem for him is going to
be if he has to line up out there on
a regular basis, it's gonna be in trouble if Carolina
takes him a nine and just says, you're every down
left end.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, I'm running at them all all day long. Right,
He's in deal with tackles and tight ends.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
And you know that's one thing. And I get this
question a lot from from fans, especially after coming off
of the rushing game, that the Steelers a lot in
the playoffs. Isn't the three four outdated? Don't the Steelers
need to get bigger at defensive end? I'm like their end, like, no,
they're playing a five man from when they're in their
three four defense. They're in a five man.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Five to two. It bothers me to no end that
people call it three four, it's a five.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
It's a five to two. Those two outside linebackers, Mikel
Williams doesn't look all that different from t J. Watt. No,
but he could play four to three defensive end.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Right. He's heavier, yeahah long, he's.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Too beat six five, two hundred and sixty pounds, that's
what he is. He's not that different from Alex high Smith.
They're all two hundred and fifty plus right right, right.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
They make it sound like the Steelers are playing with
two hundred thirty five pound guys.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
They're not. They're strong, dude.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That was that was an argument when Greg Lloyd was playing. Yeah,
outside linebacker, two hundred and twenty five pounds.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Frankly, that worries me a little bit about her Big.
He's a little light for that.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, he's a little light for that.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Him and Alex Heismith. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
They don't look alike. They don't look he doesn't look
like t J.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
No, he's a two hundred and thirty five pound edg rusher.
He's a speedball off the edge.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
He's really good at it. But I mean a game
or two being the starter. Sure, Yeah, I don't know ansistently, right,
right right.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And that's that's the other when people talk about trading, well,
you trade t J. Watt, you've got Nick Krbig waiting.
I'm like, TJ. Wat's one of the best runs run defense,
the best edge guys in the.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
League, even including the two hundred eighty pound defensive.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, right now, you're going to be going to a guy.
And this is no knock on Nick Kerbig.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
It's not how he's built that's not what he's built
to do.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
He's built to rush the passer.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Right, And I think that's part of the reason you
make the Green Bay trade for the big, heavy base
end type guy for the home stretch. Didn't pay a
lot of dividends, but that was the logic behind it. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
But yeah, so you know, like.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
In a vacuum, I like Williams more than Walker, but
Walker's more explosive and Williams it was more productive, more productive.
Williams also played with an ankle. I don't know how
much of that. That's why I like a workout played
with two ankles. One was working so well. But that's
why you do this now, you know, like maybe his
workouts are a lot better because he's actually right right, right,
(43:36):
he's more of the prototype.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, but this idea that that you know, they're the
most four to three defenses. The defensive ends are two
hundred and fifty two and sixty two hundred and seventy
pounds at most. They're not all that different from TJ.
Watt and Alex Highsmith, right right.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I think the bottom line is what you laid out
there is I think people don't realize how big Watt
and Heismith are or had an LB next to her
name right right, or walk past him in the halls
at the facility, like, oh, he's well put together, thick dude,
he's not thin at all. You know, her Big doesn't
look like those guys.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
He doesn't. He just he just doesn't. Not that again.
I loved him in the draft coming out. He was
my favorite pass rusher to watch him the draft because
he's like the Tasmanian devil.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
He does right.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
But to ask him to go out there for seventeen
games and consistently take on offensive tackles so much.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Obviously, James Harrison is a different beast because of his
low center, graphic thickness, et cetera. You said Lloyd was
like two twenty five ish. Everybody was a little smaller
than a little smaller than that.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
But there was always talk about moving him off the ball, Like,
I think her Big can be a starter in the
league two and I think he would start for a
lot of teams in the league.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
But he might still want to rotate him a little bit.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
He might rotate a little bit and he might be,
you know, a four to three outside linebacker that because
he can drop and he can.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Well that's the reason. See what was going as they did. Yeah,
a lot of people thought.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
He's a tweener.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
I'm not sure what he is, right right, right, Yeah,
Well he's.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
A tweener that rushes the passer really well. Right, there
are guys who play that role in the NFL and
do it really well.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And frankly that might be Walker, but I might use
on top ten pick on that, right, but who else
are you gonna.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Tell you if you looked at it. Probably if you
looked at Jalen Walker and Nick Herbig next to each other,
they'd be pretty close. I mean they're pretty close in.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Size, right, Neither one's like whoa look at that.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, they're both six to one. They're both you know,
I bet Herbig's probably two thirty eight, two forty Walker's
two forty three.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yeah, neither one is crazy long arms or monster hands
or anything crazy like that.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
But they do have speed.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
They speed, and they have technique. Yeah, therap, you're on right.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
So anyways, I just thought that was interesting. They had
a little private workout yesterday for scouts, just trying to
solidify themselves. It's a really good edge rushing draft.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
It is it was hard building. We're doing that today.
Just who's your top five? Generically? It really comes down
a team and scheme. Yeah, you know who you'd really
want to pick. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
We're also doing a thing for Steelers dot Com next
week is going to come out our top ten offensive
and defensive players. That's an interesting little dynamic with I
did the offense. I sent you guys the offense last thing.
I'm like, I got different way looking at Yeah, I
got to nine and I'm like, there's four or five
guys here that I could put in these nine and
(46:19):
ten spots. It just depends on what you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Did you take Hunter? You're gonna put a Hunter on
both or neither, or one or the other.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
If I put them on offense or not. I think
I did, but I'm not in love with it.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, you know it's interesting. Yeah, it is different to
do a top ten all offense. Center versus Matthew Golden, Right,
aren't the same.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
No, this offensive tackle versus that running back.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, Hampton versus Campbell or whatever. It doesn't mean where
they're going to go. Campbell's gonna go earlier, right, But
who's the better prospect?
Speaker 2 (46:55):
I think if I remember correctly, genty is my number
one offensive.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I think I would to thinking I think he's pretty
easily my one.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, but anyways, let's get through a break. That's going
to do it for our number one of the drive
here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt Now, I'll be
back with our number two right after this
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