February 13, 2025 • 47 mins
Dale and Matt examine an analytically based mock draft, debate where every quarterback should rank based on their play in 2025, and chat about headlines from around the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the
Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And we are back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the
Matt Williamson and this is our number two of the
Drive and Matt, I don't know if you saw this,
and it came out a couple of days ago. But
friend of the show, Cynthia Freeland, let's put out her
first official mock draft.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Oh, I'm sure she has a different spin on it's
Hers is very analytically driven.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, so it's a different kind of look at the
draft itself.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
That's a different curveball for us for the segment. Let's
do it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So let's look at what Cynthia has.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Sure we joined us in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
She does usually she does. Yeah, that's why she's a
friend of the show.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So she has the Tennessee Titans at one taking Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Okay, I think that's quite possible, or trading out or
you know.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah. At two, she has the Browns taking Abdull Carter.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Okay, again quite possible, I mean, especially if Garrett's gone.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And yeah, at three, she has the Giants taking cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay, that's actually my exact same three so far too.
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, you're analytically driven with you ye draft. At four,
she has the Patriots taking Will Campbell, the offensive tackle
from LSU.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think going O line there makes a ton of sense,
and it makes more sense to me kind of like
the Chargers a year ago taking the first O lineman
versus the first or second you know, wide receiver neighbors
in that point, I'd probably go O line. My problem
with him is I just don't know he's a tackle,
you know. I mean, if he's going to be a
guard or.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Center, he can really use everything on.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
But ale or two.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But at the same time, one offensive lineman isn't going
to get it done for them. No, it's a start,
but they're probably going to have to dip into the
free agent market. On the offensive line, they get all
kinds of cap space.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
To me, that's why when I see them, they gotta
go get t Higgins. They gotta spend on their offensive
line first.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That would be my priority.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But you've got to protect may.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You hate to build a line in free agency, though,
but you better get two in free agency.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, because I mean, even if you draft Will Campbell,
you probably still need two more guys to fill out
that line that bad. And that's not going to be cheap.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
No, it's not gonna be cheap at all. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
At five, the Jacksonville Jaguars take John A. Barron going
back out of Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Okay, I love him. I love him too. I mean,
obviously it's the highest we've seen them do it all.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I mean, takes the ball away. You can play a
bunch of different spots.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, And because it's Cynthia doing it, I have noticed
a lot of the analytically driven analysts out there are
really putting more and more of an emphasis on slots.
You know, branch guys like that. You know that it's
going to probably become not a premium position, but a
more premium position then not it used to be an afterthought.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
He's different to me from some of the other guys
that we've liked as the pure slot guys, because he
does he's played outside, he's played safety. He's big enough,
he's five eleven two pounds, so he's big enough to
move outside. But I think his best role was in
the slot.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Like at the Gene. Yeah, you know, in a way.
I mean the Gene was an outside corner that projected
better to slot.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
People said he was a safety simply because I think
largely because of his skin color.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I think a lot of it, right, Yeah, yeah, I
mean a lot. Yeah, And I do think a lot
of these defenses are saying, just give me my five
best defensive backs and I'll figure out the puzzle. You Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And there are a lot of teams, like the Buffalo Bills,
for example, they just live in their nickel.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, so he now the Eagles do
since the Jean's been so a.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Full time starter.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
At six, the Raiders take Tyler Booker, the guard from Alabama.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That one does not up to me because analytically speaking,
I'm not using a high pay if you're if you're
looking at dollars and cents. Yeah, I mean maybe the
way she's looking at it was their guard play was
their weakest position, and this guy upgrades, you know, But
that one doesn't add up to me. He's a fine player.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, but it's six. Well, at seven, she has the
Jets taking Will Johnson, the cornerback from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Okay, the one concern with him. I was actually just
listening we talked about yesterday Dane put out his top
one hundred. Yeah, Dane usually joins us at Combine too.
He was on the Athletic podcast that I was listening
to in the way here and he said I think
he had Johnson at like fourteen or fifteen on that
list because he said, talking to people in the league,
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they don't think he's gonna run, and they're just not.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Sure how fas he's he gonna run?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well enough, right, right, right, it's just all about forty
time basics. He might be a four or five five
Guy're right, but you know that's fine. Maybe that's why
he's on the top five pick. Maybe that's why he's fifteen,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And a lot of that kind of stuff with with
some of the again next gen stats and.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
The Zebra stuff and all that too. I have ideas
about that stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I bet a
lot of teams are more interested in the miles per
hour and the Zebras tracking than they are in the forties,
and they should be by now. But it's hard to
sell to your owner, I know. Yeah. Yeah, the seventy
five year old guy writ in checks, so yeah, my
corner in a four five six, I'm gonn taking the
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first round, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah. At eight, she has the Carolina Panthers taking Mikel Williams,
the edge rusher, out of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Okay, there's a lot of steam about him right now.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
At nine, she has the New Orleans Saints taking Shador Sanders,
quarterback out of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I would understand it. I mean, I don't think Carr
is going to be there. I mean, I don't think
it does them any good. Although the cap ramifications don't
really kick in until you know, down the road. But boy,
that'd be asking a lot of Sanders, you know what
I mean. I just hate throwing quarterbacks in situations where
they're likely to face right right.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
At ten, she has the Bears taking Armand Membu, the
offensive lineman out of Missouri.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think his stock's going to start to really increase too,
that we're gonna start seeing him in those couple picks
that Bears, Niners, Dolphins reign. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Eleven, she has the San Francisco forty nine Ers taking
Mason Graham, the defensive tackle out of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Nice value there, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
At twelve, the Cowboys take Ashton genty, running back from
Boise State.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I don't know that they will. I mean, that's an
easy landing spot for him, and he's really good. I
don't think Daldell's terrible. And there's a free agent though
I thought he's restricted. You know he's a free agent.
Oh is he okay? Well then maybe At.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Thirteen, the Dolphins take Malachai Starks, the safety out of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
No, hauling's up.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I don't think he's gonna be back.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
No, they're thinking he's gonna make like twenty million years.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah. The fourteen, the Colt steak Tyler Warren, the Penn
State tight end.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Hm. That's about where he starts really heating up with
the good spot.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
At fifteen, the Falcons stake Jaylen Walker the other Georgia
ed rusher.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Okay, Edge and Falcons sure, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Sixteen the Cardinals take James Pierce Junior, Tennessee edg Resher.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, series like these edg Rushers start following. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The Bengals at seventeen take Tedoroe McMillan, the Arizona wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I'd be shocked if he lasts that long. Of course,
I don't you think he's special. I think he's really
good prospect, but six.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Five twelve, I mean he's tough to deal with.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I mean he's gonna be the top receiver off the board.
Hunter a side.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
At eighteen, the Seahawks take Donovan Jackson, offensive lineman from
Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I think o line makes all the sense in the
world for them.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Eighteen the Tampa Bay Buccaneers go edge with Mike Green
at a Marshall.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, and linebacker could be a play too, but edges
are harder to find.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Twenty the Denver Broncos take Colston Loveland, the tight end
out of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's actually who I had him take too. Everyone has
them going to the Chargers. I'm like, I don't know
what the Broncos could pass on him if Warren's gone. Yeah,
that's a nice safety blanket for Nick's Peyton has a
nice history using the Jimmy Grahams of the world, and
I think that'd be a real good fit. Yeah, they
don't have a ton of massive needs.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
At twenty one, she has the Patriots taking a Mecca
Igbuca wide receiver out of Ohio State. Bob Labriola's head
would spin.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
He is Steelers taking Abucca. Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, I
got my wires crossed.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Because only one defensive tackle's gone at this point.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, like that would be a I do think
there's some discrepancy of who's DT two. I think you
and I think it's Nolan. Yeah, but I would take
Nolan in that situation.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
At twenty two, she has the Chargers taking Josiah Stewart
edge rusher out of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
DJ's really high on him too, had him like thirtieth
in his top fifty. A little bit shorter. I'm not
saying he's James Harrison, but he's one of those leverage
problem guys and he doesn't get often talked about him
onst the Harbaugh guy, Harbaugh guy. Right, Well, clear, Max
is probably not going to be back right.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
At twenty three, the Packers take Walter Nolan, defensive tackle
out of Mississippi. There's your number two defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yep, yep, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
At twenty four, the Vikings take Benjamin Morrison Notre Dame cornerback.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Corner is an easy slot one for them.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
At twenty five, the Texans take Matthew Golden, wide receiver
out of Texas.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I would one hundred percent understand that. I mean, they're
trying to build be built around a three receiver.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And they don't have three right now, right now, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
With Diggs being a free agent, and that'll being hurt.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Twenty six, the Rams take Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle
out of Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Their left tackles up. I don't think he'll last that long.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Twenty seven the Ravens take Calvin Banks Junior, the Texas
offensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
See I look at him and think that's where he belongs.
I mean a lot of people had him in like
top five buzz or.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think he gets pushed up into the top twenty
just because he's a tackle.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
He's a tackle. I'm not sure he's a tackle though,
I mean is he's six four and a half. I
mean he try probably will that. Yeah, but he's similar
to Campbell to me, Campbell's better.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But at the very I mean, you know, they could
the ra for the Ravens for example, you know, they
could take Rosengarden, move him to the left side and
pluck Banks in on the right side and just say, okay, yeah, yeah,
we're gonna run. We're run heavy. Anyways, No, that's not bad.
At twenty eight, the Lions take Jack Sawyer, Ohio State
edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Okay, seems early for him.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, that's like the seventh arlo in fast.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So yeah, and they definitely want one opposite Hutchinson and
he's returning from injury.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Twenty nine, the Commanders take Luther Burden, the third wide
receiver for them.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, it's kind of a chlorin and nobody else.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
The Bills then at thirty take Kenneth Grant, the Michigan
defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I like their D line, but lacks beef. Yeah, and
he's bev Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
At thirty one, the Chiefs take Azeri, a Thomas cornerback
out of Florida.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I don't think end of the first rounds insane for him.
I mean he's got SCE and man coverage background, and
I don't know the Chiefs cannot go offense.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And then at thirty two the Eagles take Shamar Stewart,
Texas A and M. She listens as an hedge.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, and move them all over probably.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I bet he goes well before that, but I think
also some sort of D line in there makes a
ton of sense.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, in this scenario, I'm taking Walter Nolan.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'd be very happy about it. Yeah, yeah,
it would have worked out quite.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well and realistically, and again, we just did our first
mock drafts. I don't think. I don't know that he
lasts to the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It worries me more and more that because people are
gonna want the tackles. You know, we're not leaving this
draft without a defensive tackle. And the Steelers are probably
one of those teams too that you start getting the
fifteen ish fourteen Bengals, you know some of those teams too.
It's like, this guy's got all the upside in the world.
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He's very strong, he's very quick. There's a lot of
multiple clay here. Yeah. I like the ones on Day two,
but he's got more upside than those guys. Yeah. You know,
I'm also not sure the Oregon dude Harmon is gonna
get out of the first round either. The more you
think about it, yeah, it's just watch Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It's the planet theory. Yeah, watch super big guys who
can run and rush the passer. Yeah, big interior pass rushers.
To me, Grant's going to be the guy who could
benefit the most at the combine.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I wonder. We've talked about this a lot, though.
How will everyone view him? I mean, there might be
total different views on him as he just a knows.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's what I'm saying. He could go to the if
he goes to the combine and doesn't run a five
three forty right right, Like he's right around five seconds
and he shows some explosion and he moves well, and
it's like people are going to say, Okay, I think
he can maybe if we get him to drop ten
pounds or.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I certainly think he could make
the argument that he's better than Jordan Davis was. Yeah,
you know who ran really really well. Then you run
like a four to seven or something or.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Something like that, and that production hasn't matched up.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, not at all. I mean, and he you know,
he's a good Davis is a big strider and when
he opens it up, he really was impressive. But that's
not how you play that position.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Davis is a guy, And I know I've gotten this
question about it. You know, do you do you think
that the Steelers will be interested in signing one of
these Philadelphia?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I get down the line here when I think he
has benefited from playing next to Carter.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't Davis isn't a success story. I don't think
the other guys are right. I mean, if that wasn't
as deep a d line, he'd get exposed over and
over and over. And he has not been worth a
mid first round pick.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No, what do you go thirteenth or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
He was gone before the Steelers picked in the picket draft. Yeah,
and they were That was twentieth so he was well gone. Yeah. No,
that has not been a home run. Georgia guys are
paying out well.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Plays like fifty percent of the snaps.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, and he plays too high and it's kind of
like the Kentucky dude walker, you know, like, yeah, there's
some snaps where whoa you know, I mean he hammers it.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But there's no consistency.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
There's no consistency. And I do like, what's the face
mission guy we're just talking about. But there's some of
that too. You know, these guys that are giants sometimes
they pop right straight up and they go nowhere, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, so you got to coach that out of them. Yeah,
but he is a massive human being.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, Yes, he can run and I think he will
test well.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, And I do think Shamar Stewart is gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Test well, coaches are gonna love.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Him, Yeah, because he's gonna look the part and then
you start looking into him a little bit more. Why
did the production not match the.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I mentioned that podcast I listened to there was all
D Tackles, and I thought they brought up a really
good point because they have three pretty highly draftable D linemen, right,
none of whom really produced. You know, like Michigan has
that that issue, you know, like what are they what
are they being asked to do? You know, like Scourton
was a dynamo at Purdue. They put ten or fifteen
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pounds on him and he just kind of holds the
point and doesn't do that stuff. You know, like that
that's the beauty. This is the combine and stuff. Let's
let's sit down with this guy and show him five plays.
What's your assignment on this play? Just funnel everything inside,
you know, or we're trying to recavoc and you couldn't,
you know, I mean, I just find it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I probably got Scourton early in the season and he
did recavoc. I'm just amazed at the you know, when
you look at the final numbers, it wasn't more.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Than there wasn't more all right, because he's capable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think all three of those guys are kind of
interesting that maybe their best production days are ahead of them.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Could be, Yeah, it'd be. Anyways, let's get to a break.
That was Cynthia Freeland's mock draft, her analyticsmock draft on
NFL dot Com. Well, maybe we'll talk to Cynthia about that.
Maybe show have another one that comes out. We have
quite a few years in a row, right before yeah,
before the uh she drops by on one of our shows.
I think I missed her last year. You guys did
her in the morning. That's fine, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways,
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Speaker 1 (16:45):
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Speaker 2 (16:53):
Radio, and we are back. I'm Dale Lollie. He is
the Matt Williamson except no imitations. And Matt nick Shook
has put out his final quarterback rankings for the twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Seeds draft him I got okay, ran all.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Guy, all fifty nine players, fifty nine who started at
quarterback this year.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's actually ways, actually way down, okay. I mean it
was just like seventy last couple of years. I'd say
it's been more than like ten more over the last
couple of years. It felt a lot more less water down.
I guess we'll say I didn't know what the number
was till just now. Okay, So at.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Number fifty nine, who Deshaun Watson that.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I wonder how low he is? Almost I almost said it.
I bet he's not the worst quarterback that played terrible.
I mean, he'd be low. I mean, I'm curious. There
had to be something bad.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Seven games he averaged five point three yards per attempt.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I mean, at least this year. There wasn't like the
COVID year where a wide receiver had to play quarterback
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Not that.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Ye, but oh he was horrible. Their offense was the
worst offense in the league when he was in there.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, that's that's what made the vote for Alex Van
Pelt as Assistant Coach of the Year. Yeah, a little question.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You didn't overcome that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Uh fifty eight Tommy DeVito, that's who he is.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, it was a cute story a year or two ago,
you know. Yeah, Tommy cutlets or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, that's the thing. Why did the New York media
always have to give somebody a nickname? You've got to
do something to get a nickname, damn it. You can't
stink and get a nickname unless Tommy stinky face. Uh
fifty seven Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I guess he started the last game with I mean,
Creed Humphrey wasn't blocking for him, and yeah, it's not
like you're gonna put him at twenty though.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But he didn't play well.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
He didn't do anything that was.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
He started a game and still and played in three
games and still finished with one hundred and eighteen pass yards.
He was bad in that game.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Fifty six Dorian Thompson Robinson, who as.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
We sit here today, he's penciled in could be your
brown starter YEP, in twenty twenty five. He's pretty terrible. Yeah,
he really is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
He had played in seven games, completed fifty one point
seven percent of his passes, and.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I bet his adult was low to.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Three point seven yards per pass attempt, zero touchdowns, six interceptions,
and three fumbles.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah. Will he be on the team next year? I
mean he he's a good chance to not make the
team as he is to be the starter. Honestly, he's
probably gonna make the team because he's a cheap He
was drafted to begin with, because they invested so much,
and watch he's been horrible.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah. Fifty five he's now a member of your Pittsburgh Steelers.
Skyler Thompson.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, how many how often did he play?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
He must have started one game for somebody, I guess. Yeah,
he did start a game against Seattle for the Dolphins
the Miami Yeah, in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Fifty four this guy might have been lower for me.
Jake Hayner.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Oh, he's pretty terrible.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Forty six point two of his passes.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
He looks like a high school player to me. Yeah,
I mean, or a coach.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Fifty three is Desmond Ritter.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He's flat out terrible too, and we talked about bad accuracy.
I don't think he's ever going to get it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Fifty two Trey Lance.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Gotta. I mean, I don't know if his story is written,
but he hasn't done anything.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
There's several chapters.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, oh, they're pretty deep into it now.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Fifty one Bailey's appy.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, he's no worms right at all.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Fifty Brandon Allen with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'll trying to think team on that one.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's why I mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, I'm glad that I didn't realize he was even
their number two. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Forty nine Josh Dobbs started the game for the forty
nine Ers this year.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I root for him, but that's who he is. Forty
eight Tanner McKee. I think he's got a chance to
stick in the league. That's the first one. I'm have
a little bit of optimism for forty seven. Can he
pick it? I'm glad they put him next to each
other because I'm not sure the Eagles don't like McKey Betters.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Forty six Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He could be shot, probably will be in the league again,
but it's getting the point where that's a question. Yeah.
Same with Wentz for that matter.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Forty five Drew Locke.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
A couple teams have liked him in the offseason and
pursued him, and I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Why you don't get it. Yeah, yeah, at forty four
Jacobe Burssette.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I had higher hopes at one point, but I'm a fan.
He could be my backup all day long.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Five point one attempt.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
He doesn't move well enough, part of the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
At forty three Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
He had a short stint there when he relieved Young
and did okay. At forty two Mac Jones, it wasn't
horrific for the jag See now, if somebody had said
the Steelers had called the Jaguars about mac Jones and
I don't think he's under contract, but no, he's up.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, But if somebody had said, well, the Steelers inquired
about mac Johnes, that would have been more believable.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That would be more believable because it's not a one
hundred bazillion dollar cappit. He's another one though that he
doesn't move well enough.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, everything has been just right around him. Forty one
Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That's fine. How about who he is? He's the fortieth
best quarterback out there.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
At forty Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I don't know that Levis was better than Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I don't know that he is either. Number of the production.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Wasn't no, right, that's fine with Flacco. He's another one.
I wonder if he's gonna be back.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I disagree with this one a great deal. Thirty nine
Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
It'd definitely be lower. I think there's a good chance
he's their starter next year. Yeah right, he's that's how
you tank.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Not good. No, in his defense, they had no weapons
around them.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh no, the receivers at that point were bad.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
He just he happened to be better than Jay Hayner.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Exactly, you know. And I'd rather take my chance with
Rattler than Hain. But that was a question there for
a couple of weeks. Who we start in between these two?
And it was his rookie year. I mean he's not Yeah,
he'll be in the league for a while. At thirty
eight Cooper Rush. That's a solid backup. That's a Rudolph
like backup that you can win games with. I mean
he was forced to play more than you want.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He had nine fumbles in twelve games.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Really, it's a lot. That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Thirty seven Daniel Jones. Okay, well he'd be higher or
lower than that.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Next year. He's gonna I bet he gets in games.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have any doubt about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
kind of who he is. Thirty six Gardner minshew, Yeah,
that's that neighbor, is what he is? Uh, thirty five
Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
That's fair, It's that's absolutely fair.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I mean you get eleven game sample this year.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, it wasn't like I mean that rookie year. He
didn't finish one game.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, forty seven point seven percent completion percentage or eight
touchdown passes, twelve interceptions and oh, by the way, nine
fumbles and eleven.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
It was benched, you know, like Bryce Young and wasn't
really better when he came back. Yeah, he had some
highlight plays, but they were all like week one. Yeah,
I was remember all the bombs that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Like Piers Yeah, uneven and yeah, every once in a
while he'll hit one.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
But I still think he's their opening day starter next year.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, because they what they spent on him. Yeah, that
doesn't mean that he's any good.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
No, it doesn't, but it does make me a little
crazy that you draft him. You have to know he's
a project. Yeah, you know, boy, he is.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Thirty four is Tyler Huntley.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That might be rich.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's pretty rich for me again, at right, five games
completed sixty four point seven percent of his passes, which
is fine.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, but it's all sideways Minshew or Rudolph maybe.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Three touchdown passes, three interceptions, one hundred and thirty five
rushing yards, and six fumbles.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I know he's not great, but I'd put Daniel Jones
over every name we've mentioned so far.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean, he's.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Had success as a starter.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Put him over this next guy at thirty three, Will Levis. Yeah,
Daniel Jones is better than Will Lewis.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean if you told me one of
those two had to lead the Steelers next year, I'm
taking Daniel go ahead. I mean, it's not I'm driving.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I'm driving my car into the mane. Uh. Thirty two
Jamis Winston.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I almost said Levis is Winston? Is Winston a starter
in the league next year. I'm leaning towards Jess because
thirty two names are hard to come by. I know,
you know, I'm at least he's going to be him
and Jackson Dark battling it out, you know, one of
those type of deals. I still think he can win games. Yeah,
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he can also lose you games. Yeah, I mean he's
shown that over the course. I mean, he's not a
young man, least his tenth year in the league, and
he has shown that he is a roller coaster ride. Yeah,
and which.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Sometimes it is not so much fun.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And I'm sure he's been brought up to you as
you know, bring him here. Tomlin could not handle nor
should he. No, for the way the Steelers are constructed,
not here, I'm not aware though, I'm not sure either.
And maybe he holds place down for the Jets, you know,
and they kind of tack it or you know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, thirty one Malik Willis.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
They managed him well. Yeah, I think he's a semi
success story considering how well turnovers last year appeared in
seven games. That's the beauty of It's lose it for him.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I mean, if I would take my chances to win
a game with Winston or Jones over oh.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, I mean they've done it more than him. But yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But what he put on tape wasn't bad.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But you have to play a very specific way with him.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Thirty Michael Pennix, small sample size.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I think people got a little too excited about him.
It wasn't all of roses, no, but it's a good start.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And showed some flashes.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Twenty nine Aiden O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
It's about who he is too.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, he's I mean, i'd take him over Minshew right now,
you know, I mean, right now, he's He's the Raiders
opening day starter if they don't do anything. Twenty eight
Caleb Williams. I think the numbers, the overall numbers, look
better than actually what he did on the field.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
There were some highlights. I mean, if you just went
to highlight tape, you'd think he's on ten.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But the low lights are just I mean some of
the well, the sacks, game management and things of that
nature were not good.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I know he was a great prospect and I understand that,
but the USC everybody blamed him the terrible lineman. I'm like,
USC can't get lineman. Maybe it's a down year for
USC lineman, but yeah, it's not like he's at Kent
playing Ohio State every week. I mean, he should have
adequate lineman at USC.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And he took a ton of a ton of sacks,
ten fumbles. Now, he had twenty touchdown passes and six interceptions,
but let's right, I think he had a five touchdown
pass game or so.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
There was a game or two where it's like, Okay,
so he's.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Figured it out. Then you watch him later in the
season you're.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Like, I'm not particularly worried about his career. But it
wasn't the best first chapter. He wasn't smooth sailing, no,
by any stretch. And the offensive coordinator got fired halfway
through the year or two. I mean, yeah, head coach got.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Fired twenty seven justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I think I'd take him over everybody mentioned, you know,
for what they did last year. I mean, I'd rather
go forward with Caleb Williams, but that's not the question.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, at twenty six, Trevor Lawrence, it's been rough. It's
been rough, bad year.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
He's had a bad stretch. I mean, you can explain
a lot of it away, but there's some bad tape
and turnovers and are problematic.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, he's just inconsistent, and you would expect by now,
I mean he's this was year four.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
He needs to be a step ahead of that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You would expect, you know, for a guy who was
had drafted as highly as he was, that he would
be more like, he's closer to Sam Bradford than he is. Actually,
he'd be better off being Sam Bradford.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It's funny rob Sam Bradford because I almost just did,
because the first four years of Bradford's career were similar.
They're not the same type of player, but I could
be the prosecuting attorney or the defense attorney and have
probably an equal case. You know, like they've had to
overcome a lot, but they sure what we thought they
were with the first overall pick. No, you know, like
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I'm hoping Caleb Williams doesn't do the same thing, you know,
but that's not uncommon.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Twenty five is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
There was a stretch he wasn't so terrible. I mean,
it's easier. Remember you look at them, just the final numbers.
I bet they're decent.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Fourteen games, sixty six point nine percent completion percentage, thirty
five hundred passing yards, twenty eight touchdowns, six interceptions. Yeah,
I'm they him with five hundred and thirty one rushing yards.
That is a mistake. There's a way it had to
be like, it had to be closer to fifty three.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, there's no way they sign.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Up for twelve rushing touchdown. I don't know whose stats
they got in there for Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
That is, he didn't have five hundred and thirty one
rushing yards and twelve touchdown rushing in his career. In
his career, I wonder if his passing numbers are correct,
then he was at the wrong face on the I
think he'll be one of the thirty two starters. I'm
not implying the Steelers should grab him at the league minimum,
but I bet he's one of the thirty two stars.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I would guess, so, Yeah, he also might be shot.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It could be at twenty four. Derek Carr, it's about right.
I like him slightly more than that, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
If you just look at his final numbers again, you're
just looking at the numbers. It was ten games, sixty
seven point seven percent completion percentage, twenty one hundred and
forty five passing yards, seven point seven yards per attempt.
I mean he was throwing it down the field a little.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Bit to Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Shaheed.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Fifteen touchdown passes, five interceptions, seventy one rushing yards, one
rushing touchdown, only three fumbles. I mean he took care
of the football.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
The back of his football card always looks a little
bit better than what tape. Yeah, yeah, mean, it just
always is with him because there's a lot of third
that he throws at the five yards downfield. And but
I still think he should probably be a little higher
on that list. I mean, he's a professional starting quarterback.
I bet a lot of those numbers came those first
two weeks. Remember those first two weeks they put up
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like eighty points. Yeah, and took the world by storm.
And then but the best offense ever and then yeah,
right right, yeah, But if we say this about Rattler
and those guys too, he didn't much around him the year.
Everybody early in the year they did that, they did,
they did.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Twenty three Russell Wilson, I'd.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Have him of everyone listed didn't end great, we all
know that. Yeah, accuracy is better than you think. I'd
probably have him higher.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Twenty two Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
He finished a lot better than people wanted to remember
and their their season was shot. But his last couple
of games padded his stats a bit, but they count.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, he's also the king of the one yard touchdown passing.
Some of those that get those touchdown passes.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Up, I think Wilson had a better year, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
Twenty one Drake May. Now that's a tough you, val.
I'm a I'm a fan of Drake May. I love him.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think he's going to be, you know, a good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Was nothing around you though, he's still.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
In thirteen games through ten interceptions, that had nine fumbles, like.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Oh, I know, there's still a lot of volatility to him.
And yeah that was even true in North Carolina. I
mean that's who he is. I would love to build
a team around him. But if you were just evaluating,
he'd be lower in the list. I don't know if
the Steelers win more games with him than they do Wilson,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, now again, if it's who you want to have
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Okay, as much highering the list.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
R twenty.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Started slow but ended up being quite a success story.
I mean a lot of his bad numbers of those
first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, I still think it's just very much the offense.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
That he's more of a risk taker though than like
a car And he's a much better athlete.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
No, he's a better athlete than I thought, Yes for sure. Yeah.
Uh nineteen Dak Prescott, Oh, how mean games did he played?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Eight? Oh? I would think it was like five or six.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
In eight games, he threw for nineteen hundred and seventy
eight yards, averaged six point nine yards per pass attempt,
eleven touchdowns, eight interceptions, say, and also had four fumbles.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
It seems like a million years ago since he.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Played, so he basically averaged a turnover and a half
per game.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, I know it was high this year. Usually it's
not that insane. I don't know where I put him.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It wasn't great, though, No, it wasn't eighteen is tua
that goo vy loa?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
They had no running game.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's about fair seventeen Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, and I bet Arizona's not thrilled about that.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I think they would be either. Yeah, like he to
take him number one overall. And if you look at
his rankings per year, twenty nineteen, he was thirteenth, twenty twenty,
he was ten twenty twenty one, he was eighth twenty
twenty two, sixteens, twenty twenty three, twenty third.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I feel like he needs to be eighth, tenth, twelve to.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Be Yeah, you know now, I think they're probably happier
with him than maybe what the Jaguars are with Trevor
Lawrence right.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Now, probably, but I kind of trust Lawrence. If any
either one's going to ever be a top eight guy. Yeah,
that I think Lawrence that still is a better chance.
Kyler seems like he is who he is.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
That's he's kind of plateaued.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah. Yeah, and his size is a problem.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah. Sixteen Bryce Young, Wow, I don't know if I
have Bryce Young this high.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
The beginning was so bad.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
The beginning was really bad. So he got bat for
Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
He finished at about sixteen.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
He played Okay, it wasn't like, oh, his groundbreaking, but
sixteen is.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
The last two months or so. We're quite good. We're
sixteen ish. Yeah, if you look at the whole body
of work, I mean he was like fiftieth. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't know that he's necessarily out of the woods yet.
I mean towards he is, I think he's better. Yeah,
but he might be closer to Kyler Murray than he is. Yeah,
breaking into the top ten.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I agreed with that. I don't know if he's going
to be ever a top ten guy.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Fifteen CJ.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Stroud I feel for him a little bit, but he
was as much of the problem as he was the answer. Boy.
They couldn't pick up a blitz or a stunt or
do anything. I'm not worried about him.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Fourteen Bruck Purty Fair wasn't as good this year's.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, he didn't have all the weapons around him, and
suddenly he didn't look like the second coming of Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I don't know a problem where he's ranked though, No,
that's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Thirteen is Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I mean his highest ranking in his career. He's twenty
four to twenty six, thirty six, forty two, thirty eight,
fifty five thirteen. Hut hut.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I'm not going to hold the last two games against
him so much. I mean he had fifteen very very
good games.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Twelve is Gino Smith.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
That's fine. I think he's criminally underrated, so that's about
where he belot of interceptions though for guys. They didn't
run the ball with a lick either.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Which is surprising because they have two good backs.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
They do, but interior line is bad and I think
their college coordinator was over matched.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Eleven Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, he needs to be five, but that's about where
he was this year. Yeah, plays a lot of injuries.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Ten is Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
They need him to be a little higher too, but
I think he's trending there. Yeah, too many mistakes. Yeah,
he's a bit of a roller coaster.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Nine Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Okay, I don't know how much they're gonna wait the
super Bowl and yeah, it's not just a regular season award.
I imagine it came out to talk about this.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
He shouldn't have been the MVP of the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
No, but you would have given it the sweat.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You would have had to pick somebody off that defense.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
That's the thing is they all kind of cancel each other.
There's not one that stood out more than the other. Yeah,
other Hurts played a fine.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's probably been my vote.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, in mine too.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
But eight Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, that's the lowest I would have him.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Seven Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
That's kind of season he had. Yeah, I mean, no
deep presence.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
He did finish with forty six hundred passing yards and
thirty one touchdowns. K we're talking about this.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Like yeah, yeah right, and that is kind of a
down years.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
His lowest, lowest ranking in his career.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Still pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Six Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
He had a really good year. There's still two. He's
closer to Gino the volatility. Eighteen games, he had sixteen
interceptions and fourteen fumbles, and that reared its head in
the playoffs, like, yeah, they're playing well and then all
of a sudden he decides to jam the ball into
the cross, like into it. Somebody wouldn't be real comfortable
if he was my starting quarter. No, no, I mean
(39:26):
you could do a lot worse.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
He had a good season. I'm not taking anything away
from him. But six, No, No, I had a Patrick Mahomes, Right, I.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Mean I would have ahead of her.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Would you rather play against?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Right? Yeah? Right?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Five Jayden Daniels, every bit of it. Four Jared Goff, I'd.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Probably have Daniels had a golf. Yeah, it's pretty good
factor in the running.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Three Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah. The top three I think are heads above everybody
else for what they did this year.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
To Josh Allen and one Jackson.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, those three had the best three years easily.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Hard to believe. Like Lamar in twenty twenty one was
fourteen and twenty twenty two was twelve.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Where was Alan? I bet he was really low a
year or two.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Allen's gone thirty Two's rookie year eighteen five, three four to.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Two now two top five every year. Yeah, okay, it
was Mahomes one one, one, one, one eight.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Like Mahomes was, uh, you're looking at let's see here.
Mahomes didn't start again that. They didn't rank him in
twenty seven ten. Yeah, one two three, seven, one three.
So he's only been one twice. Really, it can be
only one. It's like the Highlander.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I mean there's some Brady years in there. Rogers won
an MVP or two in that stretch. Yeah, I mean
people have big years. Yeah, so Lamar was MVP right
a year ago. Yeah, it's hard to be number one,
it is.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
It is, as we find out, only one team gets
to win the Super Bowl and only one quarterback gets
to be ranked number one.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, that was Nick Shook's rankings. It's not easy rank, No,
it's not. It's a project. There.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
You're talking about some guys that have some very short windows,
and even like Dak Prescott worthy, but King ranking Bryce Young. Okay,
you have to look at the entire picture there.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah. Yeah, some guys got to play into the playoffs,
some didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Driver on
the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and now I will be
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Speaker 3 (41:36):
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Speaker 1 (41:36):
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the salary cap status here.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
For the teams in the league, I mentioned that the
Patriots have a lot of cap space one hundred and
twenty one million dollars in cap space.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
They have fifty four players currently under contract. So you
have some other teams out there. For example, Vegas is
at ninety two million, they also have fifty four players
under contract.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Wash number under contract matter it matters.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
For example, Washington has forty six players under contracts, but
they have the third most salary cap space at seventy
nine point five, but you have eight fewer players under
con track.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
So therefore I think they have like twenty eight free
agents that played prominent levels or something like that too.
Some of these dudes under contract aren't going to make
the team.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
The Chargers our fourth with sixty five million dollars in
cap space. They have forty five players under contract.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Okay, that's sort of a low number. Two.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, you get Chicago with sixty four point eight million dollars,
they have forty eight players under contract. The Arizona Cardinals
have sixty three million dollars in cap space. They have
sixty players under contract.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Wow, good for them.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, and again no, not all stars, and so there's
going to be more cap displacement and signings. And this
guy goes So they actually have more cap space than
what you might think because.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, again, I forget exactly the verbage for it, but
it's really your top fifty three obviously the matters. I mean,
if you're the sixtieth guy, you're not counting against the cap,
even though you are right now, because you're not on
the team.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
You know, Minnesota has fifty eight point six million dollars,
they have fifty four players under under contract. Detroit has
fifty not the right one, not the right ones. Yeah,
Detroit has fifty three players under contract, fifty five million
dollars in cap space. Tennessee has forty nine points eight
but they have forty eight players under contract. So if
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we get to the Steelers, the Steelers have thirty seven
point three million dollars, this according to spot track right now,
right right, but they have fifty eight players under contract.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
That's a big number.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
That's a big number.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, So you're gonna have some signings. When you sign
a guy, there's gonna be that cap displacement where Okay,
this guy who's on the camp for one point two million,
well we signed this guy for four We really know
he gets bumped off. Yeah, you really only took it
three point eight million or two point eight million dollars
in cap space, and.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
They have a lot of dudes that are definitely gonna
be a camp next year. Yeahah, that is a big number.
I didn't realize that part.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
The Saints, as we mentioned, sixty million dollars over the
cap their last their last, but they do have sixty
one players under contract.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Interesting, okay, but again they can't just cut like if
they cut their top ten, it doesn't help them most
expensive guys on their roster.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
They actually lose money.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, yeah, they do. I mean because the way they
just kick the can down, the credit cards are max
to the gills.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Cleveland's in the same boat exactly. Cleveland's thirty four million
dollars over the cap. They have fifty nine players under contract.
But again, though some of those guys don't help them
financially by cutting them. No, they're gonna have to go
back to the bank of Deshaun Watson again and maybe
kick the can down the road even farther and have
more avoidable year. They're gonna eat that contract for it
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was a four year deal. They're going to end up
paying him for twelve years.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Probably, right. I guess it came out today with no surprise.
Garrett said he would restructure his contract to help facilitate
a trade.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
He wants out, But yeah, he's going to have to
do that to make it viable for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I can't stress enough what bad shape the Browns and
Stints are.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Seattle is nineteen point three million dollars over the cap,
Buffalo is eighteen point nine million dollars over the cap.
Miami fifteen point eight million dollars over the cap with
only with only fifty players signed.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Wow, it makes you think about Tyreek and Metcalf and
some of these teams are gonna get a little desperate
here in the coming week.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, it's one thing, like these other teams that are
way over the cap have sixty players under contract. Miami's
way over the cap.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
They have fifty.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
They have ten fewer than the other teams that we've
talked about.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, and those guys aren't well some of them I
guess are rookies in lower deals. But still there's a
lot of million dollar contracts in there.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Atlanta's over the cap, Dallas is over the cap, Tampa
Bay is over the cap, and Houston is over the cap.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I don't even think cutting Kirk Cousins gives them relief either.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I don't think it does either, because they just signed
him and he gave him you know, right, right right,
They just got a dead mind, like the bullet exactly. Yeah. Anyways,
we'll talk more about that as we get closer to
like the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
A lot of these teams are going to manipulate that stuff,
of course.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
And right now we're talking about estimated cap space. We
won't know for sure until the actual number comes out
here in the next couple of weeks. With these teams
that they don't even know exactly what they're dealing with.
Tracked wonderful work, but it's not it's not exact science.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, the league off right.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, So anyways, that's going to do it for today's show.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
And we are back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the
Matt Williamson and this is our number two of the
Drive and Matt, I don't know if you saw this,
and it came out a couple of days ago. But
friend of the show, Cynthia Freeland, let's put out her
first official mock draft.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Oh, I'm sure she has a different spin on it's
Hers is very analytically driven.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, so it's a different kind of look at the
draft itself.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
That's a different curveball for us for the segment. Let's
do it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So let's look at what Cynthia has.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Sure we joined us in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
She does usually she does. Yeah, that's why she's a
friend of the show.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So she has the Tennessee Titans at one taking Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Okay, I think that's quite possible, or trading out or
you know.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah. At two, she has the Browns taking Abdull Carter.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Okay, again quite possible, I mean, especially if Garrett's gone.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And yeah, at three, she has the Giants taking cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay, that's actually my exact same three so far too.
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, you're analytically driven with you ye draft. At four,
she has the Patriots taking Will Campbell, the offensive tackle
from LSU.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think going O line there makes a ton of sense,
and it makes more sense to me kind of like
the Chargers a year ago taking the first O lineman
versus the first or second you know, wide receiver neighbors
in that point, I'd probably go O line. My problem
with him is I just don't know he's a tackle,
you know. I mean, if he's going to be a
guard or.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Center, he can really use everything on.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
But ale or two.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But at the same time, one offensive lineman isn't going
to get it done for them. No, it's a start,
but they're probably going to have to dip into the
free agent market. On the offensive line, they get all
kinds of cap space.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
To me, that's why when I see them, they gotta
go get t Higgins. They gotta spend on their offensive
line first.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That would be my priority.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But you've got to protect may.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You hate to build a line in free agency, though,
but you better get two in free agency.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, because I mean, even if you draft Will Campbell,
you probably still need two more guys to fill out
that line that bad. And that's not going to be cheap.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
No, it's not gonna be cheap at all. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
At five, the Jacksonville Jaguars take John A. Barron going
back out of Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Okay, I love him. I love him too. I mean,
obviously it's the highest we've seen them do it all.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I mean, takes the ball away. You can play a
bunch of different spots.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, And because it's Cynthia doing it, I have noticed
a lot of the analytically driven analysts out there are
really putting more and more of an emphasis on slots.
You know, branch guys like that. You know that it's
going to probably become not a premium position, but a
more premium position then not it used to be an afterthought.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
He's different to me from some of the other guys
that we've liked as the pure slot guys, because he
does he's played outside, he's played safety. He's big enough,
he's five eleven two pounds, so he's big enough to
move outside. But I think his best role was in
the slot.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Like at the Gene. Yeah, you know, in a way.
I mean the Gene was an outside corner that projected
better to slot.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
People said he was a safety simply because I think
largely because of his skin color.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I think a lot of it, right, Yeah, yeah, I
mean a lot. Yeah, And I do think a lot
of these defenses are saying, just give me my five
best defensive backs and I'll figure out the puzzle. You Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And there are a lot of teams, like the Buffalo Bills,
for example, they just live in their nickel.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, so he now the Eagles do
since the Jean's been so a.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Full time starter.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
At six, the Raiders take Tyler Booker, the guard from Alabama.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That one does not up to me because analytically speaking,
I'm not using a high pay if you're if you're
looking at dollars and cents. Yeah, I mean maybe the
way she's looking at it was their guard play was
their weakest position, and this guy upgrades, you know, But
that one doesn't add up to me. He's a fine player.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, but it's six. Well, at seven, she has the
Jets taking Will Johnson, the cornerback from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Okay, the one concern with him. I was actually just
listening we talked about yesterday Dane put out his top
one hundred. Yeah, Dane usually joins us at Combine too.
He was on the Athletic podcast that I was listening
to in the way here and he said I think
he had Johnson at like fourteen or fifteen on that
list because he said, talking to people in the league,
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they don't think he's gonna run, and they're just not.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Sure how fas he's he gonna run?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well enough, right, right, right, it's just all about forty
time basics. He might be a four or five five
Guy're right, but you know that's fine. Maybe that's why
he's on the top five pick. Maybe that's why he's fifteen,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And a lot of that kind of stuff with with
some of the again next gen stats and.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
The Zebra stuff and all that too. I have ideas
about that stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I bet a
lot of teams are more interested in the miles per
hour and the Zebras tracking than they are in the forties,
and they should be by now. But it's hard to
sell to your owner, I know. Yeah. Yeah, the seventy
five year old guy writ in checks, so yeah, my
corner in a four five six, I'm gonn taking the
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first round, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah. At eight, she has the Carolina Panthers taking Mikel Williams,
the edge rusher, out of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Okay, there's a lot of steam about him right now.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
At nine, she has the New Orleans Saints taking Shador Sanders,
quarterback out of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I would understand it. I mean, I don't think Carr
is going to be there. I mean, I don't think
it does them any good. Although the cap ramifications don't
really kick in until you know, down the road. But boy,
that'd be asking a lot of Sanders, you know what
I mean. I just hate throwing quarterbacks in situations where
they're likely to face right right.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
At ten, she has the Bears taking Armand Membu, the
offensive lineman out of Missouri.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think his stock's going to start to really increase too,
that we're gonna start seeing him in those couple picks
that Bears, Niners, Dolphins reign. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Eleven, she has the San Francisco forty nine Ers taking
Mason Graham, the defensive tackle out of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Nice value there, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
At twelve, the Cowboys take Ashton genty, running back from
Boise State.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I don't know that they will. I mean, that's an
easy landing spot for him, and he's really good. I
don't think Daldell's terrible. And there's a free agent though
I thought he's restricted. You know he's a free agent.
Oh is he okay? Well then maybe At.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Thirteen, the Dolphins take Malachai Starks, the safety out of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
No, hauling's up.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I don't think he's gonna be back.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
No, they're thinking he's gonna make like twenty million years.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah. The fourteen, the Colt steak Tyler Warren, the Penn
State tight end.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Hm. That's about where he starts really heating up with
the good spot.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
At fifteen, the Falcons stake Jaylen Walker the other Georgia
ed rusher.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Okay, Edge and Falcons sure, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Sixteen the Cardinals take James Pierce Junior, Tennessee edg Resher.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, series like these edg Rushers start following. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The Bengals at seventeen take Tedoroe McMillan, the Arizona wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I'd be shocked if he lasts that long. Of course,
I don't you think he's special. I think he's really
good prospect, but six.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Five twelve, I mean he's tough to deal with.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I mean he's gonna be the top receiver off the board.
Hunter a side.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
At eighteen, the Seahawks take Donovan Jackson, offensive lineman from
Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I think o line makes all the sense in the
world for them.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Eighteen the Tampa Bay Buccaneers go edge with Mike Green
at a Marshall.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, and linebacker could be a play too, but edges
are harder to find.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Twenty the Denver Broncos take Colston Loveland, the tight end
out of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's actually who I had him take too. Everyone has
them going to the Chargers. I'm like, I don't know
what the Broncos could pass on him if Warren's gone. Yeah,
that's a nice safety blanket for Nick's Peyton has a
nice history using the Jimmy Grahams of the world, and
I think that'd be a real good fit. Yeah, they
don't have a ton of massive needs.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
At twenty one, she has the Patriots taking a Mecca
Igbuca wide receiver out of Ohio State. Bob Labriola's head
would spin.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
He is Steelers taking Abucca. Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, I
got my wires crossed.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Because only one defensive tackle's gone at this point.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, like that would be a I do think
there's some discrepancy of who's DT two. I think you
and I think it's Nolan. Yeah, but I would take
Nolan in that situation.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
At twenty two, she has the Chargers taking Josiah Stewart
edge rusher out of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
DJ's really high on him too, had him like thirtieth
in his top fifty. A little bit shorter. I'm not
saying he's James Harrison, but he's one of those leverage
problem guys and he doesn't get often talked about him
onst the Harbaugh guy, Harbaugh guy. Right, Well, clear, Max
is probably not going to be back right.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
At twenty three, the Packers take Walter Nolan, defensive tackle
out of Mississippi. There's your number two defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yep, yep, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
At twenty four, the Vikings take Benjamin Morrison Notre Dame cornerback.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Corner is an easy slot one for them.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
At twenty five, the Texans take Matthew Golden, wide receiver
out of Texas.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I would one hundred percent understand that. I mean, they're
trying to build be built around a three receiver.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And they don't have three right now, right now, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
With Diggs being a free agent, and that'll being hurt.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Twenty six, the Rams take Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle
out of Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Their left tackles up. I don't think he'll last that long.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Twenty seven the Ravens take Calvin Banks Junior, the Texas
offensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
See I look at him and think that's where he belongs.
I mean a lot of people had him in like
top five buzz or.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think he gets pushed up into the top twenty
just because he's a tackle.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
He's a tackle. I'm not sure he's a tackle though,
I mean is he's six four and a half. I
mean he try probably will that. Yeah, but he's similar
to Campbell to me, Campbell's better.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But at the very I mean, you know, they could
the ra for the Ravens for example, you know, they
could take Rosengarden, move him to the left side and
pluck Banks in on the right side and just say, okay, yeah, yeah,
we're gonna run. We're run heavy. Anyways, No, that's not bad.
At twenty eight, the Lions take Jack Sawyer, Ohio State
edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Okay, seems early for him.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, that's like the seventh arlo in fast.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
So yeah, and they definitely want one opposite Hutchinson and
he's returning from injury.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Twenty nine, the Commanders take Luther Burden, the third wide
receiver for them.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, it's kind of a chlorin and nobody else.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
The Bills then at thirty take Kenneth Grant, the Michigan
defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I like their D line, but lacks beef. Yeah, and
he's bev Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
At thirty one, the Chiefs take Azeri, a Thomas cornerback
out of Florida.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I don't think end of the first rounds insane for him.
I mean he's got SCE and man coverage background, and
I don't know the Chiefs cannot go offense.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And then at thirty two the Eagles take Shamar Stewart,
Texas A and M. She listens as an hedge.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, and move them all over probably.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I bet he goes well before that, but I think
also some sort of D line in there makes a
ton of sense.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, in this scenario, I'm taking Walter Nolan.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'd be very happy about it. Yeah, yeah,
it would have worked out quite.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well and realistically, and again, we just did our first
mock drafts. I don't think. I don't know that he
lasts to the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It worries me more and more that because people are
gonna want the tackles. You know, we're not leaving this
draft without a defensive tackle. And the Steelers are probably
one of those teams too that you start getting the
fifteen ish fourteen Bengals, you know some of those teams too.
It's like, this guy's got all the upside in the world.
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He's very strong, he's very quick. There's a lot of
multiple clay here. Yeah. I like the ones on Day two,
but he's got more upside than those guys. Yeah. You know,
I'm also not sure the Oregon dude Harmon is gonna
get out of the first round either. The more you
think about it, yeah, it's just watch Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It's the planet theory. Yeah, watch super big guys who
can run and rush the passer. Yeah, big interior pass rushers.
To me, Grant's going to be the guy who could
benefit the most at the combine.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I wonder. We've talked about this a lot, though.
How will everyone view him? I mean, there might be
total different views on him as he just a knows.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's what I'm saying. He could go to the if
he goes to the combine and doesn't run a five
three forty right right, Like he's right around five seconds
and he shows some explosion and he moves well, and
it's like people are going to say, Okay, I think
he can maybe if we get him to drop ten
pounds or.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I certainly think he could make
the argument that he's better than Jordan Davis was. Yeah,
you know who ran really really well. Then you run
like a four to seven or something or.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Something like that, and that production hasn't matched up.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, not at all. I mean, and he you know,
he's a good Davis is a big strider and when
he opens it up, he really was impressive. But that's
not how you play that position.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Davis is a guy, And I know I've gotten this
question about it. You know, do you do you think
that the Steelers will be interested in signing one of
these Philadelphia?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I get down the line here when I think he
has benefited from playing next to Carter.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't Davis isn't a success story. I don't think
the other guys are right. I mean, if that wasn't
as deep a d line, he'd get exposed over and
over and over. And he has not been worth a
mid first round pick.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No, what do you go thirteenth or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
He was gone before the Steelers picked in the picket draft. Yeah,
and they were That was twentieth so he was well gone. Yeah. No,
that has not been a home run. Georgia guys are
paying out well.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Plays like fifty percent of the snaps.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, and he plays too high and it's kind of
like the Kentucky dude walker, you know, like, yeah, there's
some snaps where whoa you know, I mean he hammers it.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But there's no consistency.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
There's no consistency. And I do like, what's the face
mission guy we're just talking about. But there's some of
that too. You know, these guys that are giants sometimes
they pop right straight up and they go nowhere, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, so you got to coach that out of them. Yeah,
but he is a massive human being.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, Yes, he can run and I think he will
test well.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, And I do think Shamar Stewart is gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Test well, coaches are gonna love.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Him, Yeah, because he's gonna look the part and then
you start looking into him a little bit more. Why
did the production not match the.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I mentioned that podcast I listened to there was all
D Tackles, and I thought they brought up a really
good point because they have three pretty highly draftable D linemen, right,
none of whom really produced. You know, like Michigan has
that that issue, you know, like what are they what
are they being asked to do? You know, like Scourton
was a dynamo at Purdue. They put ten or fifteen
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pounds on him and he just kind of holds the
point and doesn't do that stuff. You know, like that
that's the beauty. This is the combine and stuff. Let's
let's sit down with this guy and show him five plays.
What's your assignment on this play? Just funnel everything inside,
you know, or we're trying to recavoc and you couldn't,
you know, I mean, I just find it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I probably got Scourton early in the season and he
did recavoc. I'm just amazed at the you know, when
you look at the final numbers, it wasn't more.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Than there wasn't more all right, because he's capable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think all three of those guys are kind of
interesting that maybe their best production days are ahead of them.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Could be, Yeah, it'd be. Anyways, let's get to a break.
That was Cynthia Freeland's mock draft, her analyticsmock draft on
NFL dot Com. Well, maybe we'll talk to Cynthia about that.
Maybe show have another one that comes out. We have
quite a few years in a row, right before yeah,
before the uh she drops by on one of our shows.
I think I missed her last year. You guys did
her in the morning. That's fine, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways,
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Speaker 1 (16:45):
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Radio, and we are back. I'm Dale Lollie. He is
the Matt Williamson except no imitations. And Matt nick Shook
has put out his final quarterback rankings for the twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Seeds draft him I got okay, ran all.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Guy, all fifty nine players, fifty nine who started at
quarterback this year.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's actually ways, actually way down, okay. I mean it
was just like seventy last couple of years. I'd say
it's been more than like ten more over the last
couple of years. It felt a lot more less water down.
I guess we'll say I didn't know what the number
was till just now. Okay, So at.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Number fifty nine, who Deshaun Watson that.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I wonder how low he is? Almost I almost said it.
I bet he's not the worst quarterback that played terrible.
I mean, he'd be low. I mean, I'm curious. There
had to be something bad.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Seven games he averaged five point three yards per attempt.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I mean, at least this year. There wasn't like the
COVID year where a wide receiver had to play quarterback
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Not that.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Ye, but oh he was horrible. Their offense was the
worst offense in the league when he was in there.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, that's that's what made the vote for Alex Van
Pelt as Assistant Coach of the Year. Yeah, a little question.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You didn't overcome that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Uh fifty eight Tommy DeVito, that's who he is.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, it was a cute story a year or two ago,
you know. Yeah, Tommy cutlets or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, that's the thing. Why did the New York media
always have to give somebody a nickname? You've got to
do something to get a nickname, damn it. You can't
stink and get a nickname unless Tommy stinky face. Uh
fifty seven Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I guess he started the last game with I mean,
Creed Humphrey wasn't blocking for him, and yeah, it's not
like you're gonna put him at twenty though.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But he didn't play well.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
He didn't do anything that was.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
He started a game and still and played in three
games and still finished with one hundred and eighteen pass yards.
He was bad in that game.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Fifty six Dorian Thompson Robinson, who as.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
We sit here today, he's penciled in could be your
brown starter YEP, in twenty twenty five. He's pretty terrible. Yeah,
he really is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
He had played in seven games, completed fifty one point
seven percent of his passes, and.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I bet his adult was low to.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Three point seven yards per pass attempt, zero touchdowns, six interceptions,
and three fumbles.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah. Will he be on the team next year? I
mean he he's a good chance to not make the
team as he is to be the starter. Honestly, he's
probably gonna make the team because he's a cheap He
was drafted to begin with, because they invested so much,
and watch he's been horrible.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah. Fifty five he's now a member of your Pittsburgh Steelers.
Skyler Thompson.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, how many how often did he play?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
He must have started one game for somebody, I guess. Yeah,
he did start a game against Seattle for the Dolphins
the Miami Yeah, in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Fifty four this guy might have been lower for me.
Jake Hayner.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Oh, he's pretty terrible.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Forty six point two of his passes.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
He looks like a high school player to me. Yeah,
I mean, or a coach.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Fifty three is Desmond Ritter.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He's flat out terrible too, and we talked about bad accuracy.
I don't think he's ever going to get it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Fifty two Trey Lance.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Gotta. I mean, I don't know if his story is written,
but he hasn't done anything.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
There's several chapters.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, oh, they're pretty deep into it now.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Fifty one Bailey's appy.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, he's no worms right at all.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Fifty Brandon Allen with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'll trying to think team on that one.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's why I mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, I'm glad that I didn't realize he was even
their number two. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Forty nine Josh Dobbs started the game for the forty
nine Ers this year.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I root for him, but that's who he is. Forty
eight Tanner McKee. I think he's got a chance to
stick in the league. That's the first one. I'm have
a little bit of optimism for forty seven. Can he
pick it? I'm glad they put him next to each
other because I'm not sure the Eagles don't like McKey Betters.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Forty six Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He could be shot, probably will be in the league again,
but it's getting the point where that's a question. Yeah.
Same with Wentz for that matter.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Forty five Drew Locke.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
A couple teams have liked him in the offseason and
pursued him, and I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Why you don't get it. Yeah, yeah, at forty four
Jacobe Burssette.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I had higher hopes at one point, but I'm a fan.
He could be my backup all day long.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Five point one attempt.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
He doesn't move well enough, part of the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
At forty three Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
He had a short stint there when he relieved Young
and did okay. At forty two Mac Jones, it wasn't
horrific for the jag See now, if somebody had said
the Steelers had called the Jaguars about mac Jones and
I don't think he's under contract, but no, he's up.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, But if somebody had said, well, the Steelers inquired
about mac Johnes, that would have been more believable.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That would be more believable because it's not a one
hundred bazillion dollar cappit. He's another one though that he
doesn't move well enough.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, everything has been just right around him. Forty one
Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That's fine. How about who he is? He's the fortieth
best quarterback out there.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
At forty Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I don't know that Levis was better than Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I don't know that he is either. Number of the production.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Wasn't no, right, that's fine with Flacco. He's another one.
I wonder if he's gonna be back.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I disagree with this one a great deal. Thirty nine
Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
It'd definitely be lower. I think there's a good chance
he's their starter next year. Yeah right, he's that's how
you tank.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Not good. No, in his defense, they had no weapons
around them.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh no, the receivers at that point were bad.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
He just he happened to be better than Jay Hayner.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Exactly, you know. And I'd rather take my chance with
Rattler than Hain. But that was a question there for
a couple of weeks. Who we start in between these two?
And it was his rookie year. I mean he's not Yeah,
he'll be in the league for a while. At thirty
eight Cooper Rush. That's a solid backup. That's a Rudolph
like backup that you can win games with. I mean
he was forced to play more than you want.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He had nine fumbles in twelve games.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Really, it's a lot. That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Thirty seven Daniel Jones. Okay, well he'd be higher or
lower than that.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Next year. He's gonna I bet he gets in games.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have any doubt about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
kind of who he is. Thirty six Gardner minshew, Yeah,
that's that neighbor, is what he is? Uh, thirty five
Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
That's fair, It's that's absolutely fair.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I mean you get eleven game sample this year.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, it wasn't like I mean that rookie year. He
didn't finish one game.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, forty seven point seven percent completion percentage or eight
touchdown passes, twelve interceptions and oh, by the way, nine
fumbles and eleven.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
It was benched, you know, like Bryce Young and wasn't
really better when he came back. Yeah, he had some
highlight plays, but they were all like week one. Yeah,
I was remember all the bombs that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Like Piers Yeah, uneven and yeah, every once in a
while he'll hit one.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
But I still think he's their opening day starter next year.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, because they what they spent on him. Yeah, that
doesn't mean that he's any good.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
No, it doesn't, but it does make me a little
crazy that you draft him. You have to know he's
a project. Yeah, you know, boy, he is.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Thirty four is Tyler Huntley.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That might be rich.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's pretty rich for me again, at right, five games
completed sixty four point seven percent of his passes, which
is fine.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, but it's all sideways Minshew or Rudolph maybe.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Three touchdown passes, three interceptions, one hundred and thirty five
rushing yards, and six fumbles.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I know he's not great, but I'd put Daniel Jones
over every name we've mentioned so far.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean, he's.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Had success as a starter.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Put him over this next guy at thirty three, Will Levis. Yeah,
Daniel Jones is better than Will Lewis.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean if you told me one of
those two had to lead the Steelers next year, I'm
taking Daniel go ahead. I mean, it's not I'm driving.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I'm driving my car into the mane. Uh. Thirty two
Jamis Winston.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I almost said Levis is Winston? Is Winston a starter
in the league next year. I'm leaning towards Jess because
thirty two names are hard to come by. I know,
you know, I'm at least he's going to be him
and Jackson Dark battling it out, you know, one of
those type of deals. I still think he can win games. Yeah,
(26:14):
he can also lose you games. Yeah, I mean he's
shown that over the course. I mean, he's not a
young man, least his tenth year in the league, and
he has shown that he is a roller coaster ride. Yeah,
and which.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Sometimes it is not so much fun.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
And I'm sure he's been brought up to you as
you know, bring him here. Tomlin could not handle nor
should he. No, for the way the Steelers are constructed,
not here, I'm not aware though, I'm not sure either.
And maybe he holds place down for the Jets, you know,
and they kind of tack it or you know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, thirty one Malik Willis.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
They managed him well. Yeah, I think he's a semi
success story considering how well turnovers last year appeared in
seven games. That's the beauty of It's lose it for him.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I mean, if I would take my chances to win
a game with Winston or Jones over oh.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, I mean they've done it more than him. But yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But what he put on tape wasn't bad.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But you have to play a very specific way with him.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Thirty Michael Pennix, small sample size.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I think people got a little too excited about him.
It wasn't all of roses, no, but it's a good start.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And showed some flashes.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Twenty nine Aiden O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
It's about who he is too.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, he's I mean, i'd take him over Minshew right now,
you know, I mean, right now, he's He's the Raiders
opening day starter if they don't do anything. Twenty eight
Caleb Williams. I think the numbers, the overall numbers, look
better than actually what he did on the field.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
There were some highlights. I mean, if you just went
to highlight tape, you'd think he's on ten.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But the low lights are just I mean some of
the well, the sacks, game management and things of that
nature were not good.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I know he was a great prospect and I understand that,
but the USC everybody blamed him the terrible lineman. I'm like,
USC can't get lineman. Maybe it's a down year for
USC lineman, but yeah, it's not like he's at Kent
playing Ohio State every week. I mean, he should have
adequate lineman at USC.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And he took a ton of a ton of sacks,
ten fumbles. Now, he had twenty touchdown passes and six interceptions,
but let's right, I think he had a five touchdown
pass game or so.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
There was a game or two where it's like, Okay,
so he's.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Figured it out. Then you watch him later in the
season you're.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Like, I'm not particularly worried about his career. But it
wasn't the best first chapter. He wasn't smooth sailing, no,
by any stretch. And the offensive coordinator got fired halfway
through the year or two. I mean, yeah, head coach got.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Fired twenty seven justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I think I'd take him over everybody mentioned, you know,
for what they did last year. I mean, I'd rather
go forward with Caleb Williams, but that's not the question.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, at twenty six, Trevor Lawrence, it's been rough. It's
been rough, bad year.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
He's had a bad stretch. I mean, you can explain
a lot of it away, but there's some bad tape
and turnovers and are problematic.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, he's just inconsistent, and you would expect by now,
I mean he's this was year four.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
He needs to be a step ahead of that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You would expect, you know, for a guy who was
had drafted as highly as he was, that he would
be more like, he's closer to Sam Bradford than he is. Actually,
he'd be better off being Sam Bradford.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It's funny rob Sam Bradford because I almost just did,
because the first four years of Bradford's career were similar.
They're not the same type of player, but I could
be the prosecuting attorney or the defense attorney and have
probably an equal case. You know, like they've had to
overcome a lot, but they sure what we thought they
were with the first overall pick. No, you know, like
(30:14):
I'm hoping Caleb Williams doesn't do the same thing, you know,
but that's not uncommon.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Twenty five is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
There was a stretch he wasn't so terrible. I mean,
it's easier. Remember you look at them, just the final numbers.
I bet they're decent.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Fourteen games, sixty six point nine percent completion percentage, thirty
five hundred passing yards, twenty eight touchdowns, six interceptions. Yeah,
I'm they him with five hundred and thirty one rushing yards.
That is a mistake. There's a way it had to
be like, it had to be closer to fifty three.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, there's no way they sign.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Up for twelve rushing touchdown. I don't know whose stats
they got in there for Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
That is, he didn't have five hundred and thirty one
rushing yards and twelve touchdown rushing in his career. In
his career, I wonder if his passing numbers are correct,
then he was at the wrong face on the I
think he'll be one of the thirty two starters. I'm
not implying the Steelers should grab him at the league minimum,
but I bet he's one of the thirty two stars.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I would guess, so, Yeah, he also might be shot.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It could be at twenty four. Derek Carr, it's about right.
I like him slightly more than that, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
If you just look at his final numbers again, you're
just looking at the numbers. It was ten games, sixty
seven point seven percent completion percentage, twenty one hundred and
forty five passing yards, seven point seven yards per attempt.
I mean he was throwing it down the field a little.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Bit to Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Shaheed.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Fifteen touchdown passes, five interceptions, seventy one rushing yards, one
rushing touchdown, only three fumbles. I mean he took care
of the football.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
The back of his football card always looks a little
bit better than what tape. Yeah, yeah, mean, it just
always is with him because there's a lot of third
that he throws at the five yards downfield. And but
I still think he should probably be a little higher
on that list. I mean, he's a professional starting quarterback.
I bet a lot of those numbers came those first
two weeks. Remember those first two weeks they put up
(32:13):
like eighty points. Yeah, and took the world by storm.
And then but the best offense ever and then yeah,
right right, yeah, But if we say this about Rattler
and those guys too, he didn't much around him the year.
Everybody early in the year they did that, they did,
they did.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Twenty three Russell Wilson, I'd.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Have him of everyone listed didn't end great, we all
know that. Yeah, accuracy is better than you think. I'd
probably have him higher.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Twenty two Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
He finished a lot better than people wanted to remember
and their their season was shot. But his last couple
of games padded his stats a bit, but they count.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, he's also the king of the one yard touchdown passing.
Some of those that get those touchdown passes.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Up, I think Wilson had a better year, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
Twenty one Drake May. Now that's a tough you, val.
I'm a I'm a fan of Drake May. I love him.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think he's going to be, you know, a good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Was nothing around you though, he's still.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
In thirteen games through ten interceptions, that had nine fumbles, like.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Oh, I know, there's still a lot of volatility to him.
And yeah that was even true in North Carolina. I
mean that's who he is. I would love to build
a team around him. But if you were just evaluating,
he'd be lower in the list. I don't know if
the Steelers win more games with him than they do Wilson,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, now again, if it's who you want to have
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Okay, as much highering the list.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
R twenty.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Started slow but ended up being quite a success story.
I mean a lot of his bad numbers of those
first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, I still think it's just very much the offense.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
That he's more of a risk taker though than like
a car And he's a much better athlete.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
No, he's a better athlete than I thought, Yes for sure. Yeah.
Uh nineteen Dak Prescott, Oh, how mean games did he played?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Eight? Oh? I would think it was like five or six.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
In eight games, he threw for nineteen hundred and seventy
eight yards, averaged six point nine yards per pass attempt,
eleven touchdowns, eight interceptions, say, and also had four fumbles.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
It seems like a million years ago since he.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Played, so he basically averaged a turnover and a half
per game.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, I know it was high this year. Usually it's
not that insane. I don't know where I put him.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It wasn't great, though, No, it wasn't eighteen is tua
that goo vy loa?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
They had no running game.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's about fair seventeen Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, and I bet Arizona's not thrilled about that.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I think they would be either. Yeah, like he to
take him number one overall. And if you look at
his rankings per year, twenty nineteen, he was thirteenth, twenty twenty,
he was ten twenty twenty one, he was eighth twenty
twenty two, sixteens, twenty twenty three, twenty third.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I feel like he needs to be eighth, tenth, twelve to.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Be Yeah, you know now, I think they're probably happier
with him than maybe what the Jaguars are with Trevor
Lawrence right.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Now, probably, but I kind of trust Lawrence. If any
either one's going to ever be a top eight guy. Yeah,
that I think Lawrence that still is a better chance.
Kyler seems like he is who he is.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
That's he's kind of plateaued.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah. Yeah, and his size is a problem.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah. Sixteen Bryce Young, Wow, I don't know if I
have Bryce Young this high.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
The beginning was so bad.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
The beginning was really bad. So he got bat for
Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
He finished at about sixteen.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
He played Okay, it wasn't like, oh, his groundbreaking, but
sixteen is.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
The last two months or so. We're quite good. We're
sixteen ish. Yeah, if you look at the whole body
of work, I mean he was like fiftieth. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't know that he's necessarily out of the woods yet.
I mean towards he is, I think he's better. Yeah,
but he might be closer to Kyler Murray than he is. Yeah,
breaking into the top ten.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I agreed with that. I don't know if he's going
to be ever a top ten guy.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Fifteen CJ.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Stroud I feel for him a little bit, but he
was as much of the problem as he was the answer. Boy.
They couldn't pick up a blitz or a stunt or
do anything. I'm not worried about him.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Fourteen Bruck Purty Fair wasn't as good this year's.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, he didn't have all the weapons around him, and
suddenly he didn't look like the second coming of Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I don't know a problem where he's ranked though, No,
that's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Thirteen is Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I mean his highest ranking in his career. He's twenty
four to twenty six, thirty six, forty two, thirty eight,
fifty five thirteen. Hut hut.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I'm not going to hold the last two games against
him so much. I mean he had fifteen very very
good games.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Twelve is Gino Smith.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
That's fine. I think he's criminally underrated, so that's about
where he belot of interceptions though for guys. They didn't
run the ball with a lick either.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Which is surprising because they have two good backs.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
They do, but interior line is bad and I think
their college coordinator was over matched.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Eleven Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, he needs to be five, but that's about where
he was this year. Yeah, plays a lot of injuries.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Ten is Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
They need him to be a little higher too, but
I think he's trending there. Yeah, too many mistakes. Yeah,
he's a bit of a roller coaster.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Nine Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Okay, I don't know how much they're gonna wait the
super Bowl and yeah, it's not just a regular season award.
I imagine it came out to talk about this.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
He shouldn't have been the MVP of the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
No, but you would have given it the sweat.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You would have had to pick somebody off that defense.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
That's the thing is they all kind of cancel each other.
There's not one that stood out more than the other. Yeah,
other Hurts played a fine.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's probably been my vote.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, in mine too.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
But eight Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, that's the lowest I would have him.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Seven Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
That's kind of season he had. Yeah, I mean, no
deep presence.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
He did finish with forty six hundred passing yards and
thirty one touchdowns. K we're talking about this.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Like yeah, yeah right, and that is kind of a
down years.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
His lowest, lowest ranking in his career.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Still pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Six Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
He had a really good year. There's still two. He's
closer to Gino the volatility. Eighteen games, he had sixteen
interceptions and fourteen fumbles, and that reared its head in
the playoffs, like, yeah, they're playing well and then all
of a sudden he decides to jam the ball into
the cross, like into it. Somebody wouldn't be real comfortable
if he was my starting quarter. No, no, I mean
(39:26):
you could do a lot worse.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
He had a good season. I'm not taking anything away
from him. But six, No, No, I had a Patrick Mahomes, Right, I.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Mean I would have ahead of her.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Would you rather play against?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Right? Yeah? Right?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Five Jayden Daniels, every bit of it. Four Jared Goff, I'd.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Probably have Daniels had a golf. Yeah, it's pretty good
factor in the running.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Three Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah. The top three I think are heads above everybody
else for what they did this year.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
To Josh Allen and one Jackson.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, those three had the best three years easily.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Hard to believe. Like Lamar in twenty twenty one was
fourteen and twenty twenty two was twelve.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Where was Alan? I bet he was really low a
year or two.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Allen's gone thirty Two's rookie year eighteen five, three four to.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Two now two top five every year. Yeah, okay, it
was Mahomes one one, one, one, one eight.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Like Mahomes was, uh, you're looking at let's see here.
Mahomes didn't start again that. They didn't rank him in
twenty seven ten. Yeah, one two three, seven, one three.
So he's only been one twice. Really, it can be
only one. It's like the Highlander.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I mean there's some Brady years in there. Rogers won
an MVP or two in that stretch. Yeah, I mean
people have big years. Yeah, so Lamar was MVP right
a year ago. Yeah, it's hard to be number one,
it is.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
It is, as we find out, only one team gets
to win the Super Bowl and only one quarterback gets
to be ranked number one.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, that was Nick Shook's rankings. It's not easy rank, No,
it's not. It's a project. There.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
You're talking about some guys that have some very short windows,
and even like Dak Prescott worthy, but King ranking Bryce Young. Okay,
you have to look at the entire picture there.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah. Yeah, some guys got to play into the playoffs,
some didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.
I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Driver on
the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and now I will be
back to finish up the show right after this.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
At least.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the
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Speaker 3 (41:59):
Four to six pm Monday through Wednesday, Monday through Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (42:03):
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Go ahead and leave us comments. Matt, looking here at
(42:26):
the salary cap status here.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
For the teams in the league, I mentioned that the
Patriots have a lot of cap space one hundred and
twenty one million dollars in cap space.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
They have fifty four players currently under contract. So you
have some other teams out there. For example, Vegas is
at ninety two million, they also have fifty four players
under contract.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Wash number under contract matter it matters.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
For example, Washington has forty six players under contracts, but
they have the third most salary cap space at seventy
nine point five, but you have eight fewer players under
con track.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
So therefore I think they have like twenty eight free
agents that played prominent levels or something like that too.
Some of these dudes under contract aren't going to make
the team.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
The Chargers our fourth with sixty five million dollars in
cap space. They have forty five players under contract.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Okay, that's sort of a low number. Two.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, you get Chicago with sixty four point eight million dollars,
they have forty eight players under contract. The Arizona Cardinals
have sixty three million dollars in cap space. They have
sixty players under contract.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Wow, good for them.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, and again no, not all stars, and so there's
going to be more cap displacement and signings. And this
guy goes So they actually have more cap space than
what you might think because.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, again, I forget exactly the verbage for it, but
it's really your top fifty three obviously the matters. I mean,
if you're the sixtieth guy, you're not counting against the cap,
even though you are right now, because you're not on
the team.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
You know, Minnesota has fifty eight point six million dollars,
they have fifty four players under under contract. Detroit has
fifty not the right one, not the right ones. Yeah,
Detroit has fifty three players under contract, fifty five million
dollars in cap space. Tennessee has forty nine points eight
but they have forty eight players under contract. So if
(44:14):
we get to the Steelers, the Steelers have thirty seven
point three million dollars, this according to spot track right now,
right right, but they have fifty eight players under contract.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
That's a big number.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
That's a big number.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, So you're gonna have some signings. When you sign
a guy, there's gonna be that cap displacement where Okay,
this guy who's on the camp for one point two million,
well we signed this guy for four We really know
he gets bumped off. Yeah, you really only took it
three point eight million or two point eight million dollars
in cap space, and.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
They have a lot of dudes that are definitely gonna
be a camp next year. Yeahah, that is a big number.
I didn't realize that part.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
The Saints, as we mentioned, sixty million dollars over the
cap their last their last, but they do have sixty
one players under contract.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Interesting, okay, but again they can't just cut like if
they cut their top ten, it doesn't help them most
expensive guys on their roster.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
They actually lose money.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, yeah, they do. I mean because the way they
just kick the can down, the credit cards are max
to the gills.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Cleveland's in the same boat exactly. Cleveland's thirty four million
dollars over the cap. They have fifty nine players under contract.
But again, though some of those guys don't help them
financially by cutting them. No, they're gonna have to go
back to the bank of Deshaun Watson again and maybe
kick the can down the road even farther and have
more avoidable year. They're gonna eat that contract for it
(45:31):
was a four year deal. They're going to end up
paying him for twelve years.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Probably, right. I guess it came out today with no surprise.
Garrett said he would restructure his contract to help facilitate
a trade.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
He wants out, But yeah, he's going to have to
do that to make it viable for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I can't stress enough what bad shape the Browns and
Stints are.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Seattle is nineteen point three million dollars over the cap,
Buffalo is eighteen point nine million dollars over the cap.
Miami fifteen point eight million dollars over the cap with
only with only fifty players signed.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Wow, it makes you think about Tyreek and Metcalf and
some of these teams are gonna get a little desperate
here in the coming week.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, it's one thing, like these other teams that are
way over the cap have sixty players under contract. Miami's
way over the cap.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
They have fifty.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
They have ten fewer than the other teams that we've
talked about.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, and those guys aren't well some of them I
guess are rookies in lower deals. But still there's a
lot of million dollar contracts in there.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Atlanta's over the cap, Dallas is over the cap, Tampa
Bay is over the cap, and Houston is over the cap.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I don't even think cutting Kirk Cousins gives them relief either.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I don't think it does either, because they just signed
him and he gave him you know, right, right right,
They just got a dead mind, like the bullet exactly. Yeah. Anyways,
we'll talk more about that as we get closer to
like the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
A lot of these teams are going to manipulate that stuff,
of course.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
And right now we're talking about estimated cap space. We
won't know for sure until the actual number comes out
here in the next couple of weeks. With these teams
that they don't even know exactly what they're dealing with.
Tracked wonderful work, but it's not it's not exact science.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, the league off right.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, So anyways, that's going to do it for today's show.
So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here
on site making sure everything sounds great and running the
Justin Miller hotline, and for Tevin Dandridge here making sure
our video on YouTube looks great. Best you can do
with this, best he can do with it. Anyways, I
am Dale, Lolly. We thank you for listening to this
(47:28):
edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.
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