April 10, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is the
Matt Williamson and Matt we are two weeks from about
it the NFL Draft of twenty twenty five NFL drafts.
Two more weeks of draft talk. If you're burned out
in draft talk, we are.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
A little were a little bit too. But yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's I feel like I got all these names buzzing
around in my head. Yeah, and you know, you know
you can't there's nobody knows everybody and of course not,
of course not. But somebody asked me about the I
think it's from Middlebury College, some Division III offensive lineman.
I'm like, all right, this is like the second time
on the on the mess you bored the guy asked
(01:00):
me about h I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go
watch some tape.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I've read good things about that dude, by the way.
Ye yeah, And he's like, what do you think? And
I'm like, he's better than everybody that Middlebury plays.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, in the Division III guys he was playing against.
But you know, he said, well, there's some comps out
there to Zach Fraser. I'm like, well, Zach Fraser is
a second round draft pick. Yeah, that's this guy's not
going to be a second round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
No. Right, we've referenced the Beast a bunch and it's
not the only one though. There are a lot of
really good guides coming out right now and you can
just kind of dig deeper. It's one stop shopping to
know some of these names that are lower that you
didn't weren't aware of or whatever too. But oh, in all,
I mean we've said this a lot. There's not much
news these two weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, ye.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I mean maybe there's a trade.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Teams are all hunkered down and you know, they're doing
their their thirty visits and there you get the retests
and things of that nature. But other than that, right,
not a lot of news going on.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, you're down there more than me. But I
was at the Steelers facility Tuesday and just talked to
one of their scouts briefly. They're like, well, we did
receivers today, We're doing safeties tomorrow. Like it's an all day,
you know, one point at least at least yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Todd mcshae is a guy who digs into the draft
deeply and he does the McShay report. Now, he has
his latest mock draft here two weeks out and he
has Cam Woard going number one. Ye, Travis Hunter going
two to Cleveland. And from what I understand in Cleveland,
(02:30):
if they do, if they're taking Travis Hunter, they're playing
him primarily at wide receiver. I think the cornerback stuff
is going to be secondary, which no, no pun intended.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Would you take Hunter or Carter if you're the GM
of the Browns. I think Hunter is a better player,
but Carter's.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Carter makes me a better team.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah. I just don't know if I could pass on Hunter.
I think he's that special. But I hear you, I am,
but like I always urge people, like, if you're a
Steeler fan, who do you want them to take? I
don't want to block cart and Garrett. I know that.
I mean, I guess Hunter could be good, not great,
at both spots, but I think i'd take Hunter.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
He is the Giants in taking Abdull Carter at.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Three, I would actually field offers if I were.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
There, I would too, And I saw it get a
lot somebody did a recent one that I saw. Maybe
it was on Pro Football Focus. Their guy had the
forty nine ers trading up to three.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I was there thinking what teams would do it? Niners?
Niners have a ton of compics next year. Yeah, Panthers
and they're always mocked at edge. Could Atlanta give you
the farm and maybe have a first pass rusher in
their existence and make the Julio Jones trade.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, I would listen.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
If I was the Giants, I'd rather have Membo and well.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Then I if I trade back now, I have no
problem taking should.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
And then I take the quarterback there or I have
more firepower to get it next year. Take another edge
rusher when I'm good there, when I'm such a bad
team enfranchise.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I get it. I mean he's the best player, I
get it. But I would really listen to offers for
the Patriots. Take Will Campbell. That's getting that's getting pretty shocked. Yeah,
like again, I prefer Membo. I understand why people prefer Campbell.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, I'm left right, and I know Morgan mos they
should free safety versus strong siary. They have nobody at
left tackle right, Yeah, the Chucks are left tackle right now?
I don't think he's on the team. I know he
got cut, he released, he's with somebody. Yeah, yeah, it's
not good. No.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Uh. At five, Jacksonville takes Jalen Walker, edge rusher out
of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I've seen that a few places. But that's another thing.
It's like that's when the positions are good. At Yeah,
although Trayvon Walker can go inside, and you know, he's
a lot different than that Walker. The two Georgia Walkers
are very different, like thirty pounds different.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
H At six, the Raiders take Ashton Genty running back
from Boise.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
That would be really hard for me not to take, Like,
I'm not sure I can take Will Johnson or you know.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
At seven, the Jets take Armand Membo offensive tackle from
Missouri Okay. At eight, the Carolina Panthers take Mason Graham
defensive tackle for Michigan.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Like, that's a nice match next to Derek Brown. Yeah,
who's three point thirty and a monster in the middle.
Give me somebody a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm a little older and now you get the difference.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
At nine, the Saints take Jackson Dart quarterback from Omas.
He goes ahead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I would take Sanders ahead of them. I would too, Yeah,
I mean Todd's pretty dialed in. I mean I could
see teams having similar grades. But okay.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
At ten, the Bears take Tyler Warren tight end from
Penn State.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I would strongly consider that too. I've never been a
huge Comet fan. Just a pass Is this a good player? Right?
I mean it's a good player for a young quarterback.
I think edge is also in play for them too.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
At eleven, the forty nine Ers take Will Johnson, the
cornerback from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
They have a lot of needs.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
At twelve, the Cowboys take Tet McMillan, wide receiver from Arizona.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I think it's gonna bemc millan or Golden only who
I'd rather pair with Lamb, but both makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, I mean Lamb he can do everything, you know,
he can do everything playing more out of the slot.
If you have Patet McMillan, and that will work out perfectly.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I mean, they really don't have anything pass catcher wise,
they really don't. They traded for Mingo. It's a weird move,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
At thirteen, the Dolphins take Shamar Stewart edge rusher from Texas.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
A and M. There's one I don't agree with Todd.
I mean they took Choup Robinson the first round last year. Yeah,
and I mean I Chubb's Pricey Phillips is injured a lot,
but they have three legit dudes.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, all right, they get other needs they get bump
them inside. At fourteen, the cold Steak Colston Lovelin tight
end at of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
They always get the tight end, which is kind of boring,
but I don't see a huge need there for him.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
At fifteen, he has the Cleveland Browns trading up. Ooh,
the brown Sim picks thirty three, sixty seven and a
twenty twenty six second round pick to the Falcons for
pick fifteen. If you're the Falcons, you're making that, I.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Think i'd ask for war. That's a pretty far away
to go from fifteen to thirty three.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
The twenty twenty six second rounder, though, could be pretty
darn good.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Could I say, could you get a first I mean,
it's a long way to jump.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's a long way to jump, and they'll still get
an edge guys. Yeah, but knowing that they're coming up
for a quarterback, you're probably gonna hold out for a
while more and they take Sanders Ice and they take
Shador Sanders again.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I mean, imagine the Browns fan base if you could
bring both Colorado guys in. I mean, it's kind of
like when Houston went Stroudwell Anderson, you know, like wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
At sixteen, the Arizona Cardinals take Matthew Golden wide receive
from Texas. That's a nice receiving group wide receiver, wide
receiver back to back years.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, and just payment Bride.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
At seventeen, the Bengals take Mike Green Edge rusher from Marshall.
If there's if there's a school, if there's a if
there's a franchise that won't care about any offense field stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean unless it's crazy worse than we think, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I mean they've been Marshall's right down the river from Cincinnati, so.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I don't know that he can get passed there now
I think about it. That's like too good a fit.
He's a really good player. He is a good player too.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
At eighteen, the Seahawks take offensive tackle Calvin Banks from Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I assume they'd bump them the guard in that instance. Yeah,
make a strengthen, Yeah, that would be a good pick.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
At nineteen, Tampa Bay takes j Hud Campbell pretty chocky,
but I consider him one of my pass rushers too,
because he rushes the passer pretty well for an inside
line back. Oh for your promote by sixteen, yeah, you're
stretching it. But okay, five sacks last year. I mean
he is a good.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Pass rusher, but he's a linebacker.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
But he puts people on that he puts the quarterbacks
on the ground. At twenty, Denver takes Omari and Hampton,
running back from North Carolina. That was this situation with
the receiver's already gone and all the tight ends that
makes a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
That was the one landing spot where you know in
the bold prediction that could really stumble you. But I
think i'd take Ted McMillan over him if i'm them,
And then that's what I mean, that's that's for your
prediction to come true, I think you need one of
the receivers to be there. Okay, Todd, I only watched,
I mean only scroll to see the Steeler one, and
(09:35):
I don't like the pick, but I kind of read
the write up. It's not it makes a little more sense.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
At twenty one, he takes for the Steelers. Safety Nick
m Uori from South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, a lot of people ask me about him. I
just don't understand why they even have much interest, is
what he says.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I'm convinced that Aaron Rodgers will be a Steeler by
the time the Commissioner opens a twenty twenty five draft
in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay, But if should or.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Sanders were to slide here, he could be in play
as a pick for the future. With Sanders and Jackson
Dart off the board, I don't see the Steelers taking
Jaln Milroe or any other quarterback. I'm with them on that.
I'll put Derek Harmon here in mark two point zero.
And that makes sense in terms of need. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But don't be surprised if Muary is to pick in
this division. You need great safety play with the offensive
(10:21):
tax of Cincinnati and Baltimore. Muary is in a uniquely long,
explosive talent with a versatile set of skills, and I
think Mike toml would love to develop a guy like this.
Oh and Mr, he just visited the Steelers on April fourth,
thrown many first round guys in their first thirty visits
well now there are.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Now they're starting to me. Now, yeah, and the.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Steelers don't draft many guys in the early rounds. They
haven't haven't had in for visits or worked out on
pro days or privately. Well, now that they have done
that with a lot of these guys, right right, right,
there's more. That group has grown considerably in the last
couple of weeks and the pro days.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
And I didn't mind the write up, but I still
would have stuck with Harmon if that's was your original.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Right, that's your thought, Harmon. Here's a change with Harmon
taking a safety in the first round even if you
think he's going to be a great player.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Okay, but so seldomly too.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
They used the first round pick on making Fitzpatrick in
twenty nineteen. It well, twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Was the pick, right, yeah, yeah, So the twenty twenty pick,
which is even dedicated to was dedicated to MIKEA.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Fitzpatrick. You were able to get two safeties in free
agency in the last two years at a reasonable price,
who are pretty good players. I don't understand the need
to then go out and draft another safety.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I mean, I'm not sure much playing time he'd get
this year.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Right, and you've all, by the way, your number four
safety is an all Pro special teams guy.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He should be active, right, He's going to be on
the team, right. I mean, unless you're thinking about trading Manco,
which I think is insane, and I don't think they're
even they don't.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I mean, yeah, they could, they could.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Play, but they did play a whole different style of
defense because of it. Of course, I think Elliott's contracts
up after the year.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, but I mean again, you could. Those guys are
available every year.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I know. I got asked in a mailbag episode I
did yesterday. They're like, man, is Elliott gonna be like
a twenty five million dollars play? Like, No, No, I
mean he's a really nice pickup, but he's not gonna
make that kind of money.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, yeah, he's very He's gonna be affordable. They
have safeties, are affordable. Yeah, they just are. Yeah. I
just would have stuck with Harmon. I mean, if that's
what you thought originally, what changed? What changed? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
The fact that they hadn't had him in for a
visit and didn't go to his pro day, Well, now
that's changed Todd's I mean that happened since Todd put
this out right, just together. So at twenty two, the
Chargers take Donovan Azeriku, the Boston College edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
That's possible. They lost Bosa and Max up in age.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
At twenty three, the Packers take MIKEL Williams, the Georgia
edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's a lot like van Ness and Gary and you
know all they're big edge dudes.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Here's where Todd might be going off the rails a
little bit. At twenty four, the Giants trade m hm
sending picks thirty four and sixty five to the Vikings
for pick twenty four.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I'm sure the Vikes would love to get back.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I'm sure they would.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That works. That's a good team fit.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
To get into twenty four to take Jaylen Milroe.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Now here's the thing. Once those other teams got the
you're past the Steelers, you're past New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Can't just hold your water and take them in the
early said Browns.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
The Browns traded up Tennessee straight like you could just
stay where you're at thirty four. If you want Jalen Milroe,
you'll get Jalen Millroe at thirty four.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, maybe you're worried the Rams are gonna take him.
He doesn't seem like a Bay fit.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That doesn't fit.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Man. That's the only playoff team I could see being
in the quarterback market. And if that happens, like life
is go on, right, yeah, trade back and take Shock right.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'm maybe Todd just sinks Milroe and then he wants
to get him into the first round. That's why I
was thinking about am Mari too, you know, like he
thinks he's gonna go around that neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
At twenty five, the Houston Texans and take Gray's Abel,
offensive lineman from North Dakota State.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
It helps somewhere, Yeah, not a tackle. No.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
At twenty six, the Rams stake Johnny Barron, the cornerback
from Texas.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Thrilled.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's a heck of the value.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Thrilled.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
At twenty seven, the Ravens take Derek Harmon.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, bite, that's right, right right? Yeah, I don't want
Nolan end up there. Yeah. At twenty eight, I could
see them being interested in any are Yeah, definitely very
interested in Harmon too. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
As we always say a lot of times, stealer Ravens
guys are stealing guys away from other.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Harmon went to Pittsburgh, any he went to Ballimore.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
At twenty eight, the Lions steak James Pierce, the ad
dresser out of Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Seems pretty common too.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
At twenty nine, the Commander's stake Malachi Starks a safety
out of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, it would be helpful.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
At thirty the Bills take Maxwell Hairston cornerback from Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
A little small for them though, and not quite as
physical as they probably want, but they could use a corner.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
At thirty one, the Chiefs take Walter Nolan defensive line,
will miss, don't let him fall there. And thirty two
Kenneth Grant goes to the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Rush right like the smart teams to sit there and
be like, well, you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Give us three ahead, Steelers take a safety in the
und We'll take these guys, and then the Ravens, Eagles
and Chiefs end up with your threatmell thing. Okay, so
we know Andy Widel was in that Philadelphia, it was.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
In Baltimore's it was in Baltimore, it was.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
In Pittsburgh before that. And the Steelers have said all like, hey,
we're trying to we want to build the trenches. Build
the trenches, build the trenches. They've only taken since Omar
Kahn has become the GM and Widal the assistant GM,
they've only addressed the trenches in the first round. And
all of a sudden they're going to take a deep safety.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
And all their first and second round picks have been
trenches or premium positions. You know, they're detackled bent and
it's porter at the end of the round two, it's
on safety.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't believe the safety stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I mean, the vital thing is dead on. Remember where
Omar's background is. It's dollars and cents. It's salary cap.
I don't need a fifth round option on a safety,
you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
All those things said, I get a safety for five
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
They can get Elliott and Thornhill for pennies on the dollar,
not even close to that price.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I can't get these big guys. They're twenty millions, right,
right right.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, if Williams from the Eagles that goes to
the Patriots is making twenty seven, Harmon could easily be
that guy in four years. For five years.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You know, he's got a couple of bonus picks. Here
since a couple of teams trading out of the first round,
it Land, after moving back to thirty three, takes Josh Connerly,
the offensive tackle out of Oregon.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I would have thought there'd be an edge that would
be attractive there, but think so.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And at thirty four, the Vikings, after trading back, take
Benjamin Morris and the Notre Dame cornerback.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Okay, I mean, if he's clean, they could certainly use him. Yeah,
I just don't. I don't see. I don't see anymore
he being don't either. I don't either. I like a
lot of that. I like the Giants and Browns trading.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Back being aggressive and yeah that adds up. I like
the again, the Browns more than the Giants doing it. Like,
I don't see trading into the first round to get Millroe.
Just stay where you're at.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I don't either, like if it was trade enough to
get dark.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Really once you get past Okay, they took they traded
up to twenty four, Houston's not taking them.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
No chance Milroe, Right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Don't think the Rams would be interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It doesn't seem like a McVeigh fit.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I could I could possibly see them being interested in
shock oh yeah, but not Milrow or even Dart. We're dark,
but he's not available right right. The Ravens aren't taking him. No,
the Lions aren't taking him. No, the Commanders aren't taking him.
The Bills aren't taking him, the Chiefs aren't taking him.
(17:55):
The Eagles aren't. Well, the Eagles could, but not. I
don't see it. I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
In the first ron it could be a hurt, a
hurt to move in round ten and we traded up.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
We're traded back with the bronze. They're not taking him.
So the only way you do this in Tennessee's next. Yeah,
if you're concerned with somebody you know, bumping ahead of you,
to go get Jaylen Milroe and I just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
It'll be a team like the Steelers, but they have
to come from three they yeah, yeah, right, they're coming
from leftfield, right. Yeah. I don't know that they would
have to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, would you consider that. Let's talk about this when
we come back for the next segment. He's Matt Williamson.
I am Dale, Lollie. You're listening to the drive here
on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be
back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is the
Matt Williamson and Matt you you threw out there the
other day about trading to go get Jaylen Millroe and
you say, yea, the potential aggressive and potential taking him
in the first round, all that stuff, and people panned it.
(19:08):
Let's say in this scenario, you did take Derek Carmon
in the first.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Round, pretty comfortable with your d line at that point.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Now you're feeling better. Or you took Kenneth's gran or
you took.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
One of those one of those three you stuck and
picked at twenty one.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And then you see this happen with the quarterbacks. And
let's say the Giants didn't trade up.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Okay, Day one's done and Milroe's still on the clock. Yeah,
let's say that. Okay, And let's say the Browns made
that move, they went up and get Sanders darts drawn.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's at the end of the first round, and you
think the Giants might be interested in Jylen Milroe. Would
you trade into the first round to go get him
after getting your defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I have to get my dtackle first, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And I think that's where the disconnect was you were
talking about. If you like him in the first round,
you're taking in the first round. Okay, then you're not
getting anything else yea.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And really the best way to walk out of this
with Milroe and a big time d tackle is you
almost have to trade back from twenty one at least somewhere,
because to get from what's their pick in the third
round eighty three, Okay, to get the eighty three to
thirty three, that's next year's first I mean easily, I mean,
(20:23):
and maybe more. I mean that's the thing is if
he starts slipping through the second round, I'm on the
phone a lot, maybe offering next year second.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It's essentially what you know, It's essentially it's what the
Ravens did to go get Lamar Jackson, right.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Right, right. I don't remember where they came from.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, the pick was thirty two, right, Their initial pick
was at like twenty five.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Say, I assumed they were in the early twenties of
round two, So you're looking at the BA only moved
up twenty spots. They didn't move up fifty, so it
was the two nineteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
NFL Draft was eighteen, right.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, would have the trades in there, ye, what they
gave up to gig Lamar and where they were initially
drafting at. So because Hurst was like twenty two or something.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
He's like twenty five.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Maybe that was just his age, maybe he wishes.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So and they took Hurst. Yeah, twenty five. Now that
was from Tennessee. Did they move down yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Maybe they there were more picks so, uh.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So Buffalo got picked sixteen from Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
And then it's always hard to find draft trying two
years later, like what they gave up and all.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
That, and then twenty two was Tennessee's pick from Kansas
City via Buffalo and Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I don't know what pick they earned where they started
in runs.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, I can so the Ravens in twenty seventeen, I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
We don't even know even know that answer. If we
just googled the Lamar Jackson trade, they would tell you.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I just want to. So the Ravens that year
were nine and seven. In twenty seventeen, they were picking
that was that was probably their somewhere in that mid
round sixteen sounds about right. Yeah, and they traded back
and they moved back. Yeah, they moved back to twenty five.
(22:26):
I'm assuming they picked picked some stuff up and then
they moved up to thirty two from Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, I just pulled up the trade here. Okay, they
traded in order to move up. The Ravens sent fifty two,
one twenty five and next year second for thirty two
and one thirty two. So one twenty five and thirty
two one thirty two really don't matter, right, So they
basically went from fifty two to thirty two for a
(22:56):
future second. Yeah, I'm interested in that. Yeah, I mean
that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Coming from eighty three, which is why you have to
if you want to make that move, you got a
trade back first.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Exactly, exactly. There has to be step one of the process.
Get your d tackle that you can you're happy about.
Even if it was Tyler Williams, you know. I mean,
in that situation, if I get a lot of AMMO
and I move from I don't know the Rams picking
round two, they don't have one A bad choice.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I guess the Bill Houston or yeah, somebody like that.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Somebody. You went pretty far back to get us. Because
you even to get a second, I think you have
to trade with you can't move down three spots from
twenty one to twenty three.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I don't think right, You're probably not gonna back too,
but I would explore all options. Now, yes, you might
get two threes, in which case you might be able
to move two threes and next year.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Second, next year three to get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
I'm really interested in that. I mean only and again,
I'm a scouting staff of one or two the two
of us, and I read or watch. I don't sit
down and talk with mister Miller Row or nobody was
like in first grade. But if I was convinced that
all things lined up, I'm gonna be aggressive. Yeah, especially
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once DT is in the.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
In the build, and I think that's where something like
I want. I'm not interested in trading this year's first
round draft pick or next year's first round draft pick
to make that move, but if I can make it
happen by moving around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
And I find my guy on the cheap, I'm just
trying to figure out the cheapest way to get Lamar
Jackson or Josh Allen or Agains they moved back to
then come back up and get Lamar Jackson. Yeah, worked
out for them, worked out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. By the way,
I lay more Ammo than the Steelers then than the
Steelers do. Now.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Nick Chubb was the thirty fifth pick in that draft.
We were talking about that. Yeah, after Rashad Penny. Seahawks
took twenty the.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
High weight speed guy too, should have taken the better back. Yeah,
was there another part a Saquon Year? Yeah, saque went
number two overall. Don't take a running back in the
first round. That's not there. I would say it was
Derek Henry Year. It's not.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, he was earlier than that. But yeah, Nick Chubb
was the third back taking. Oh no, there's fourth. Sony
Michelle went in the first round as well.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Oh yeah, yeah his teammates. Yeah at Georgia. Okay, so
I know Chub had had a knee injury before at
that point too. Yeah, maybe there was a little bit
of medical.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So yeah, I think if you if you did it
that way, I could much more understand it. Like, and
I'm only giving up maybe one or two of those
future picks. I'm moving some stuff around this year because
I moved back and Gain picked some stuff up.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
All right, hypothetical, would you say yes or no to this?
Day two is over? You have Nolan or Harmon or
Grant or whatever, mil Row and that's all you've got,
And you don't have next year's third or next year second,
next year's two.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, because I know I got two threes next year,
and I got a quarterback, and.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I got a quarterback that might be the answer. And
and and I'm walking into day three with all my
picks for a nose and a running back. And you know,
if I left the first two days with just those
two guys.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And I think with I think with a guy like
mill Row, if I were going to make that move,
the fifty year option, actually first.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Year is not very good, you know. Yeah, Yeah, if he's.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
He's gonna red shirt the first year and maybe year two, right,
he might. I'm gonna find some ways to get him
on the field. Right, but he may not be my
starting quarterback in year two, but by year three he
might be.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
He might be for the fifth year is really valuable
to him, Yeah, because if he's going to a Pro
Bowl already, which is a fifth year option thing, right, Well,
then you're thrilled. Fiftye options a bargain. Yeah, I mean,
unless it's like a Huntly Pro Bowl appearance, it doesn't belong.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I mean that's kind of what five years from him.
That's kind of the what the Packers did with with
Love to a degree.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
They trade.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
They just took him where they were taking him.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And they didn't pick up the fifth year option. They
made a weird contract.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I knew he wasn't gonna play.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
No. Rodgers was winning the MVPs. Yeah, right right, and
Rogers was five years six years younger than he is now.
Just just a thought, I mean thought, two big cornerstone pieces,
a quarterback and a d tackle. The other stuff you
can fill in. There's not a lot of needs on
this team. The rest I could fill in with Day
three stuff. Yeah, another nose running.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Back, I gotta get her. I gotta get a defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I got That's one of the things that my priority
number one in this draft.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Everybody is overlooking in this draft. Everybody. Yeah, outside of Pittsburgh.
You hear all these other stuff. Nobody in Pittsburgh is
taking quarterbacks. Who knows squat right, right right? I mean,
but I gotta I gotta fill that need first, because
it's a big one.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
It's a big it's the biggest need. Yeah. Yeah, right,
But franchise quarterbacks available, I'm gonna be creative to get them.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, potential again, if you think if they think he's the.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Guy, right, if they're like, I'm not sure, he's got
a lot of work to do as a PAS, I
would one hundred percent understand it. Yeah, probably right. Then
if he falls to me, I'll get him, or maybe
I'll move up a little.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Well yeah, if he's if he's still available in the
middle of round two, I'll make.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
It cost me my third this year and next year's third,
and I got to move up twenty spots. Okay, I
mean that's worth the risk. If he stinks, I still
take one in the first round, or even if he's
just okay, I'm still take one first round. Yeah, but
if you think that not, the stars need to align.
But if I could just tweak this and give him
a year and let him hang out and be a
Steeler and all of a sudden we stole one, I'll
(28:34):
roll the dice on that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, So I just food for thought.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It is it is, you know, I wonder if you
have to explore every avenue of how you can find
a superhero quarterback. Yeah, and that's one avident.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Would you be willing to do that for shock.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Less? So because I don't think his ceilings is high,
I mean yeah, and I wish he was two years younger,
But that doesn't crush me, you know it?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Put it he would love shocked to be I'm gonna
be twenty six in September. Yeah, if p's you're starting
quarterback for ten years, that's right.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah. If I can land Shuck in some way, shape
or form. I mean, I'm still sticking by from my
Steeler quarterback room or board mill Rose my two, I'm
taking them my head. If if I have to take
one to twenty one, him or Sanders, I'm taking them.
I mean, it's just because they get the high the
higher ceiling.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Because that's a higher ceiling.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I should say all I care about is high ceilings
for my next quarterback.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Not saying you take him at twenty one.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yes, I'm saying it all had I had to choose
between him and Dart and Sanders, and someone comes out
of bottle and says, you have to pick those one
of those three and Shock. I'm taking mill row for
the Steelers, especially if I know Aaron Rodgers is.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Gonna be here, you know, Yeah, I just wanted to
give you.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't know what to do. Yeah yeah, yeah, I
mean I know what i'd pay for Shock. I'd love
Shuck to be rod Like Shuck comes in, beats out.
Rudolph is clearly the two behind Rogers, chomping at the
bit to get in there, like that's the home run
(30:06):
to me. Like, I mean we're asking a lot, right,
I mean, I don't know that that's possible. But and
then you're like, all right, Aaron, great for the thanks
for the year. We got this twenty seven year old
that's traded to roll Cool and Rudolph's two. Yeah, I
can live with that.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's not that much different.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That's not crazy from what.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Green Bay did.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Rogers didn't start until he was twenty six, twenty seven
years yeah, I was like twenty five.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Like these are mature dudes that have been around the block,
and you know the locker room is going to respect
them and things like that. You know. Yeah, yeah, I'd
love either one of those guys that end up in
La Trobe somehow.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
But I think the trade back is the key.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, because going from three to where you need to
get a quarterback is hard. Yeah, you know, And I
don't want to trade next year's first. Yeah, I'm just
I'm just not interested. You don't know what's going to
happen next year. And I know the other day I
brought that up, and my logic was, if they have
Aaron Rodgers, they may pick later in round one than
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twenty one. And if you tell me next year's twenty
seventh plan, that's the plan. I mean, it could go worse.
You may end up eleventh and you're mad you traded
your first.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I think that's less likely to happen than picking at
twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I agree, I think there's a better chance to pick
twenty seven than ten. Yeah. If Rogers is if Rudolph's,
then a different story. You know, I need different Rogers
needs to be in place, it needs to be some clarity.
Then the d tackle needs to be in place. Then
we can start thinking mill Row. How now how do
I go get that guy? Yeah? Yeah, then that interests me.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
That's how the dominoes right, right right right?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yea, But those first two aren't that hard to line up. Well,
what do I know, Rogers, right, I'm not getting an
airon Rodgers head Eye one.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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Speaker 3 (32:11):
Bringing on I'm alway yours just just if you have
a path to find him your next Josh Allen, I'm interested.
Maybe you have a better idea.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, I just laid it out there. How the Ravens
went and got Lamar Jacks right right right.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
They saw an opportunity. Yeah, we might not need him yet.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
They may had Joe Flacco at that point.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Who was I mean it was what was a twenty
fifth pick. They thought it was more important to take
a tight end, you know, that was their their probably
their plan was let's.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Do our quarterbacks the draft and now they would take
Lamar twenty five, and they would I wouldn't trade up
for Hayden Hurst.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Like I'm trying to get in the mind of Ozzie
Newsome going into that draft. He's probably thinking, Joe's good
for another year. Next year is our year, just like
the Steelers are now. But if there's that one, dude,
Lamar's got a lot of ability.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, similar, you know, absolutely, let's get through that break.
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening
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Speaker 1 (33:14):
At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
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Speaker 2 (33:28):
And we are back. He is the Matt Williamson, I
Am Dale Lolly and Matt headline on ESPN story. I
saw it last night and I'm like again with this Jets.
Justin Field says he learned from benching by Steelers. The
word benching's just the problem here. Yeah, Like it wasn't
a benching. He wasn't ever considered the starter. You can't
(33:53):
be benched. It's no different than if a coach says, hey,
you can't lose your starting job because of injury, and
you hear that from time to time in the NFL.
This is what happened. Russell Wilson was named the Steelers
starter last year. Justin Fields came in and played because
he was the backup, And when Russell Wilson was healthy
to play again, Justin Fields went to the bench and
(34:15):
Russell Wilson went into the starting lineup.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Absolutely so. Russell Wilson hurts his calf early in training camp, hypothetical,
that doesn't happen. He goes through camp, He's the week
one starter hurts his calf the third play of the game.
The word benching would never be brought up the field.
Yeah right, that's how it was planned to be. Yeah, no, right,
that's he was the starter, was injured on opening down.
(34:39):
And I'll give Fields credit because here's what he said.
I'm sure he's glassy about it, right.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
He said, it was, of course different from me in
a space where I wasn't necessarily comfortable instead of being
not playing, Okay, you know, I get it, Like he
was used to playing, he said. Coach Mike Tomlin or
coach Tomlin made a decision he thought was best for
the team, and I'm never going to go against that.
I'm not a selfish guy. What's over So I just
tried to change my perspective get better each and every
(35:05):
day in practice.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
He's real easy to root for, man. I hope he
does right.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I wish him nothing but well absolutely.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I mean there's been some quarterbacks that have gone I'm like, eh, oh, well,
you know, but that dude, I hope the best for it.
I just think he has some flaws on the field.
It will be hard to overcome.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, steely fans should actually hope he does really well
in New York.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
You get something out of because you might get it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
You might get that might turn into a third round pick.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
If you him and Russell Wilson go to the Pro Bowl.
His third round picks galore, right, und get a third
round them out right? Yeah, so we'll see. You think
they draft a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I think they could.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Who's one that they drafted the Florida State dude, I
mean late late he red shirted all year and they
have Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, they should consider it. It's really
a one year deal.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
For Justin really is. It's like a one year thirty million.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
He gets thirty guaranteed, and they could pick up the
next year for another for twenty but ten of that's garan. Yeah.
I don't hope I'm the best, but I think that's
gonna be a tough team to win with.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, I do too. I mean they got a lot
of holes.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
There are a lot of holes, tough environments, not a
great history of winning.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Somebody on the message board the other day mentioned that
why do you want why do you want Aaron Rodgers?
He couldn't win last year in New York with a
better roster than the Steelers. I'm like, I don't agree
that the Jets Jets roster was better than that.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Of the Steelers. It was a decent roster.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I didn't agree with it, Like I remember when they
played that, when the Steelers played the Jets and they
came in here and the Jets were favored net game,
it was like the wrong team's favored. I don't get it.
I just I didn't get it. Then I refuse to
believe it that that was a better roster. Yes, they
had some better players the stars, Yeah, but if you
look at the roster from top to bottom, it was
not a good a.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Lot of B level guys. Yeah, I mean it's Sauce
and Quinnen and those guys are real good players obviously,
but they don't have a lot of who are the
blue guys and the keep keep the whole thing together
type dudes.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And they were old and they were really like across
the border, like, yeah, the Steelers have some older guys.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
They also want rootball coached. Either, well, there's this guy fired.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Half with this the coach got fired the first of all,
they fired the offensive coordinator who had been fired in
Denver for being a bad head coach. That was halfway
to a season, right they bring him in.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I don't know, that's a lot need that fired. But yeah,
that was not a good ordinary situation.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
That was a mess. Like that was that there was
a bad situation in New York.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I will say though, like going into the season, Rogers
looks like he's going to be healthy. Other than Jets
could be a potential playoff team. You know, it didn't
work that way. They we talked about it even at
that point. We didn't play well for the first ten games.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
When we when we were talking about him, like they're
counting on a lot of old guys.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I think we always said the ifs or but yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
If this all lines and Tyron Smith played play a
full season.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Right, They were pushing their chips in to win last year. Yeah,
and it went miserably, which.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Is why they cut date with a lot of those guys,
including Rogers, all those guys.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, yeah, Tyrone Smith's not back right, right, No, I
get it. So it was an aggressive move. And after
you traded for Rogers gave up pretty much a couple
of second round picks.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Well, now you're brought in all of his dudes, right,
all right.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I guess it's restructured. Lazard did it.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
They did, so that is not like was speculating about
that the other day. I think it was a pro
football talk. You know, well Aaron Rodgers won, is his
best friend with him in Pittsburgh. Well, that's not happening.
What was happening, right, Yeah, And maybe the Steelers said, hey,
we're not bringing in Lazard. That's not happened.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
If he got cut out, he could be the third
guy or in the mix. He's not a bad player,
but I would not have done what the Jets did
with him and Cobb and all that kind of stuff too,
like they're not difference makers. No, No, I mean if
he wants to bring DeVante Adams with them two months ago,
or the Metcalf trade or all right, yeah, I think
(38:57):
I'll take those guys, right.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
But yeah, at this point, well we're two weeks out
from the draft and we still don't know anything.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But maybe everyone seems confident something's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
On the draft rolls around, maybe we will know something.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
They don't do it.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
They don't have their first on field workouts until the
week after the draft.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
So yeah, I still wonder we know what's what's Aaron thinking?
You know, do you know the answer now? Or are
you still kicking it around again?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Mike Dolan said he's been in constant contact with him,
so I think he would have a pretty good idea
of what Aaron's thinking.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
There sure doesn't seem to be any panic from Steeler
Land or Rogers Land. Yeah, so that's where we're at.
See where it goes. Two weeks out from the draft.
We didn't do Twitter Thursday today. That's been a good
tradition forgot all about it today just dawned on here man, Okay,
Friday days, Yeah, me too. We'll Twitter Friday, Twitter Friday
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up tomorrow. It's been a smashing success.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yes, absolutely, okay, but anyways, that's going to do it
for today's show. So or my partner Matt Williamson, for
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Speaker 3 (40:19):
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Speaker 2 (40:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is the
Matt Williamson and Matt we are two weeks from about
it the NFL Draft of twenty twenty five NFL drafts.
Two more weeks of draft talk. If you're burned out
in draft talk, we are.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
A little were a little bit too. But yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's I feel like I got all these names buzzing
around in my head. Yeah, and you know, you know
you can't there's nobody knows everybody and of course not,
of course not. But somebody asked me about the I
think it's from Middlebury College, some Division III offensive lineman.
I'm like, all right, this is like the second time
on the on the mess you bored the guy asked
(01:00):
me about h I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go
watch some tape.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I've read good things about that dude, by the way.
Ye yeah, And he's like, what do you think? And
I'm like, he's better than everybody that Middlebury plays.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, in the Division III guys he was playing against.
But you know, he said, well, there's some comps out
there to Zach Fraser. I'm like, well, Zach Fraser is
a second round draft pick. Yeah, that's this guy's not
going to be a second round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
No. Right, we've referenced the Beast a bunch and it's
not the only one though. There are a lot of
really good guides coming out right now and you can
just kind of dig deeper. It's one stop shopping to
know some of these names that are lower that you
didn't weren't aware of or whatever too. But oh, in all,
I mean we've said this a lot. There's not much
news these two weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, ye.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I mean maybe there's a trade.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Teams are all hunkered down and you know, they're doing
their their thirty visits and there you get the retests
and things of that nature. But other than that, right,
not a lot of news going on.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, you're down there more than me. But I
was at the Steelers facility Tuesday and just talked to
one of their scouts briefly. They're like, well, we did
receivers today, We're doing safeties tomorrow. Like it's an all day,
you know, one point at least at least yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Todd mcshae is a guy who digs into the draft
deeply and he does the McShay report. Now, he has
his latest mock draft here two weeks out and he
has Cam Woard going number one. Ye, Travis Hunter going
two to Cleveland. And from what I understand in Cleveland,
(02:30):
if they do, if they're taking Travis Hunter, they're playing
him primarily at wide receiver. I think the cornerback stuff
is going to be secondary, which no, no pun intended.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Would you take Hunter or Carter if you're the GM
of the Browns. I think Hunter is a better player,
but Carter's.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Carter makes me a better team.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah. I just don't know if I could pass on Hunter.
I think he's that special. But I hear you, I am,
but like I always urge people, like, if you're a
Steeler fan, who do you want them to take? I
don't want to block cart and Garrett. I know that.
I mean, I guess Hunter could be good, not great,
at both spots, but I think i'd take Hunter.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
He is the Giants in taking Abdull Carter at.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Three, I would actually field offers if I were.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
There, I would too, And I saw it get a
lot somebody did a recent one that I saw. Maybe
it was on Pro Football Focus. Their guy had the
forty nine ers trading up to three.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I was there thinking what teams would do it? Niners?
Niners have a ton of compics next year. Yeah, Panthers
and they're always mocked at edge. Could Atlanta give you
the farm and maybe have a first pass rusher in
their existence and make the Julio Jones trade.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, I would listen.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
If I was the Giants, I'd rather have Membo and well.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Then I if I trade back now, I have no
problem taking should.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
And then I take the quarterback there or I have
more firepower to get it next year. Take another edge
rusher when I'm good there, when I'm such a bad
team enfranchise.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I get it. I mean he's the best player, I
get it. But I would really listen to offers for
the Patriots. Take Will Campbell. That's getting that's getting pretty shocked. Yeah,
like again, I prefer Membo. I understand why people prefer Campbell.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, I'm left right, and I know Morgan mos they
should free safety versus strong siary. They have nobody at
left tackle right, Yeah, the Chucks are left tackle right now?
I don't think he's on the team. I know he
got cut, he released, he's with somebody. Yeah, yeah, it's
not good. No.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Uh. At five, Jacksonville takes Jalen Walker, edge rusher out
of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I've seen that a few places. But that's another thing.
It's like that's when the positions are good. At Yeah,
although Trayvon Walker can go inside, and you know, he's
a lot different than that Walker. The two Georgia Walkers
are very different, like thirty pounds different.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
H At six, the Raiders take Ashton Genty running back
from Boise.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
That would be really hard for me not to take, Like,
I'm not sure I can take Will Johnson or you know.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
At seven, the Jets take Armand Membo offensive tackle from
Missouri Okay. At eight, the Carolina Panthers take Mason Graham
defensive tackle for Michigan.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Like, that's a nice match next to Derek Brown. Yeah,
who's three point thirty and a monster in the middle.
Give me somebody a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm a little older and now you get the difference.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
At nine, the Saints take Jackson Dart quarterback from Omas.
He goes ahead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I would take Sanders ahead of them. I would too, Yeah,
I mean Todd's pretty dialed in. I mean I could
see teams having similar grades. But okay.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
At ten, the Bears take Tyler Warren tight end from
Penn State.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I would strongly consider that too. I've never been a
huge Comet fan. Just a pass Is this a good player? Right?
I mean it's a good player for a young quarterback.
I think edge is also in play for them too.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
At eleven, the forty nine Ers take Will Johnson, the
cornerback from Michigan.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
They have a lot of needs.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
At twelve, the Cowboys take Tet McMillan, wide receiver from Arizona.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I think it's gonna bemc millan or Golden only who
I'd rather pair with Lamb, but both makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, I mean Lamb he can do everything, you know,
he can do everything playing more out of the slot.
If you have Patet McMillan, and that will work out perfectly.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I mean, they really don't have anything pass catcher wise,
they really don't. They traded for Mingo. It's a weird move,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
At thirteen, the Dolphins take Shamar Stewart edge rusher from Texas.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
A and M. There's one I don't agree with Todd.
I mean they took Choup Robinson the first round last year. Yeah,
and I mean I Chubb's Pricey Phillips is injured a lot,
but they have three legit dudes.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, all right, they get other needs they get bump
them inside. At fourteen, the cold Steak Colston Lovelin tight
end at of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
They always get the tight end, which is kind of boring,
but I don't see a huge need there for him.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
At fifteen, he has the Cleveland Browns trading up. Ooh,
the brown Sim picks thirty three, sixty seven and a
twenty twenty six second round pick to the Falcons for
pick fifteen. If you're the Falcons, you're making that, I.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Think i'd ask for war. That's a pretty far away
to go from fifteen to thirty three.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
The twenty twenty six second rounder, though, could be pretty
darn good.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Could I say, could you get a first I mean,
it's a long way to jump.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's a long way to jump, and they'll still get
an edge guys. Yeah, but knowing that they're coming up
for a quarterback, you're probably gonna hold out for a
while more and they take Sanders Ice and they take
Shador Sanders again.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I mean, imagine the Browns fan base if you could
bring both Colorado guys in. I mean, it's kind of
like when Houston went Stroudwell Anderson, you know, like wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
At sixteen, the Arizona Cardinals take Matthew Golden wide receive
from Texas. That's a nice receiving group wide receiver, wide
receiver back to back years.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, and just payment Bride.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
At seventeen, the Bengals take Mike Green Edge rusher from Marshall.
If there's if there's a school, if there's a if
there's a franchise that won't care about any offense field stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean unless it's crazy worse than we think, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I mean they've been Marshall's right down the river from Cincinnati, so.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I don't know that he can get passed there now
I think about it. That's like too good a fit.
He's a really good player. He is a good player too.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
At eighteen, the Seahawks take offensive tackle Calvin Banks from Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I assume they'd bump them the guard in that instance. Yeah,
make a strengthen, Yeah, that would be a good pick.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
At nineteen, Tampa Bay takes j Hud Campbell pretty chocky,
but I consider him one of my pass rushers too,
because he rushes the passer pretty well for an inside
line back. Oh for your promote by sixteen, yeah, you're
stretching it. But okay, five sacks last year. I mean
he is a good.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Pass rusher, but he's a linebacker.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
But he puts people on that he puts the quarterbacks
on the ground. At twenty, Denver takes Omari and Hampton,
running back from North Carolina. That was this situation with
the receiver's already gone and all the tight ends that
makes a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
That was the one landing spot where you know in
the bold prediction that could really stumble you. But I
think i'd take Ted McMillan over him if i'm them,
And then that's what I mean, that's that's for your
prediction to come true, I think you need one of
the receivers to be there. Okay, Todd, I only watched,
I mean only scroll to see the Steeler one, and
(09:35):
I don't like the pick, but I kind of read
the write up. It's not it makes a little more sense.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
At twenty one, he takes for the Steelers. Safety Nick
m Uori from South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, a lot of people ask me about him. I
just don't understand why they even have much interest, is
what he says.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I'm convinced that Aaron Rodgers will be a Steeler by
the time the Commissioner opens a twenty twenty five draft
in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay, But if should or.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Sanders were to slide here, he could be in play
as a pick for the future. With Sanders and Jackson
Dart off the board, I don't see the Steelers taking
Jaln Milroe or any other quarterback. I'm with them on that.
I'll put Derek Harmon here in mark two point zero.
And that makes sense in terms of need. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But don't be surprised if Muary is to pick in
this division. You need great safety play with the offensive
(10:21):
tax of Cincinnati and Baltimore. Muary is in a uniquely long,
explosive talent with a versatile set of skills, and I
think Mike toml would love to develop a guy like this.
Oh and Mr, he just visited the Steelers on April fourth,
thrown many first round guys in their first thirty visits
well now there are.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Now they're starting to me. Now, yeah, and the.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Steelers don't draft many guys in the early rounds. They
haven't haven't had in for visits or worked out on
pro days or privately. Well, now that they have done
that with a lot of these guys, right right, right,
there's more. That group has grown considerably in the last
couple of weeks and the pro days.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
And I didn't mind the write up, but I still
would have stuck with Harmon if that's was your original.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Right, that's your thought, Harmon. Here's a change with Harmon
taking a safety in the first round even if you
think he's going to be a great player.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Okay, but so seldomly too.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
They used the first round pick on making Fitzpatrick in
twenty nineteen. It well, twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Was the pick, right, yeah, yeah, So the twenty twenty pick,
which is even dedicated to was dedicated to MIKEA.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Fitzpatrick. You were able to get two safeties in free
agency in the last two years at a reasonable price,
who are pretty good players. I don't understand the need
to then go out and draft another safety.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I mean, I'm not sure much playing time he'd get
this year.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Right, and you've all, by the way, your number four
safety is an all Pro special teams guy.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He should be active, right, He's going to be on
the team, right. I mean, unless you're thinking about trading Manco,
which I think is insane, and I don't think they're
even they don't.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I mean, yeah, they could, they could.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Play, but they did play a whole different style of
defense because of it. Of course, I think Elliott's contracts
up after the year.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, but I mean again, you could. Those guys are
available every year.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I know. I got asked in a mailbag episode I
did yesterday. They're like, man, is Elliott gonna be like
a twenty five million dollars play? Like, No, No, I
mean he's a really nice pickup, but he's not gonna
make that kind of money.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, yeah, he's very He's gonna be affordable. They
have safeties, are affordable. Yeah, they just are. Yeah. I
just would have stuck with Harmon. I mean, if that's
what you thought originally, what changed? What changed? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
The fact that they hadn't had him in for a
visit and didn't go to his pro day, Well, now
that's changed Todd's I mean that happened since Todd put
this out right, just together. So at twenty two, the
Chargers take Donovan Azeriku, the Boston College edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
That's possible. They lost Bosa and Max up in age.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
At twenty three, the Packers take MIKEL Williams, the Georgia
edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's a lot like van Ness and Gary and you
know all they're big edge dudes.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Here's where Todd might be going off the rails a
little bit. At twenty four, the Giants trade m hm
sending picks thirty four and sixty five to the Vikings
for pick twenty four.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I'm sure the Vikes would love to get back.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I'm sure they would.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That works. That's a good team fit.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
To get into twenty four to take Jaylen Milroe.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Now here's the thing. Once those other teams got the
you're past the Steelers, you're past New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Can't just hold your water and take them in the
early said Browns.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
The Browns traded up Tennessee straight like you could just
stay where you're at thirty four. If you want Jalen Milroe,
you'll get Jalen Millroe at thirty four.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, maybe you're worried the Rams are gonna take him.
He doesn't seem like a Bay fit.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That doesn't fit.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Man. That's the only playoff team I could see being
in the quarterback market. And if that happens, like life
is go on, right, yeah, trade back and take Shock right.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'm maybe Todd just sinks Milroe and then he wants
to get him into the first round. That's why I
was thinking about am Mari too, you know, like he
thinks he's gonna go around that neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
At twenty five, the Houston Texans and take Gray's Abel,
offensive lineman from North Dakota State.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
It helps somewhere, Yeah, not a tackle. No.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
At twenty six, the Rams stake Johnny Barron, the cornerback
from Texas.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Thrilled.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's a heck of the value.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Thrilled.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
At twenty seven, the Ravens take Derek Harmon.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, bite, that's right, right right? Yeah, I don't want
Nolan end up there. Yeah. At twenty eight, I could
see them being interested in any are Yeah, definitely very
interested in Harmon too. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
As we always say a lot of times, stealer Ravens
guys are stealing guys away from other.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Harmon went to Pittsburgh, any he went to Ballimore.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
At twenty eight, the Lions steak James Pierce, the ad
dresser out of Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Seems pretty common too.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
At twenty nine, the Commander's stake Malachi Starks a safety
out of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, it would be helpful.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
At thirty the Bills take Maxwell Hairston cornerback from Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
A little small for them though, and not quite as
physical as they probably want, but they could use a corner.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
At thirty one, the Chiefs take Walter Nolan defensive line,
will miss, don't let him fall there. And thirty two
Kenneth Grant goes to the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Rush right like the smart teams to sit there and
be like, well, you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Give us three ahead, Steelers take a safety in the
und We'll take these guys, and then the Ravens, Eagles
and Chiefs end up with your threatmell thing. Okay, so
we know Andy Widel was in that Philadelphia, it was.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
In Baltimore's it was in Baltimore, it was.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
In Pittsburgh before that. And the Steelers have said all like, hey,
we're trying to we want to build the trenches. Build
the trenches, build the trenches. They've only taken since Omar
Kahn has become the GM and Widal the assistant GM,
they've only addressed the trenches in the first round. And
all of a sudden they're going to take a deep safety.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
And all their first and second round picks have been
trenches or premium positions. You know, they're detackled bent and
it's porter at the end of the round two, it's
on safety.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't believe the safety stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I mean, the vital thing is dead on. Remember where
Omar's background is. It's dollars and cents. It's salary cap.
I don't need a fifth round option on a safety,
you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
All those things said, I get a safety for five
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
They can get Elliott and Thornhill for pennies on the dollar,
not even close to that price.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I can't get these big guys. They're twenty millions, right,
right right.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, if Williams from the Eagles that goes to
the Patriots is making twenty seven, Harmon could easily be
that guy in four years. For five years.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You know, he's got a couple of bonus picks. Here
since a couple of teams trading out of the first round,
it Land, after moving back to thirty three, takes Josh Connerly,
the offensive tackle out of Oregon.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I would have thought there'd be an edge that would
be attractive there, but think so.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And at thirty four, the Vikings, after trading back, take
Benjamin Morris and the Notre Dame cornerback.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Okay, I mean, if he's clean, they could certainly use him. Yeah,
I just don't. I don't see. I don't see anymore
he being don't either. I don't either. I like a
lot of that. I like the Giants and Browns trading.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Back being aggressive and yeah that adds up. I like
the again, the Browns more than the Giants doing it. Like,
I don't see trading into the first round to get Millroe.
Just stay where you're at.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I don't either, like if it was trade enough to
get dark.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Really once you get past Okay, they took they traded
up to twenty four, Houston's not taking them.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
No chance Milroe, Right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Don't think the Rams would be interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It doesn't seem like a McVeigh fit.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I could I could possibly see them being interested in
shock oh yeah, but not Milrow or even Dart. We're dark,
but he's not available right right. The Ravens aren't taking him. No,
the Lions aren't taking him. No, the Commanders aren't taking him.
The Bills aren't taking him, the Chiefs aren't taking him.
(17:55):
The Eagles aren't. Well, the Eagles could, but not. I
don't see it. I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
In the first ron it could be a hurt, a
hurt to move in round ten and we traded up.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
We're traded back with the bronze. They're not taking him.
So the only way you do this in Tennessee's next. Yeah,
if you're concerned with somebody you know, bumping ahead of you,
to go get Jaylen Milroe and I just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
It'll be a team like the Steelers, but they have
to come from three they yeah, yeah, right, they're coming
from leftfield, right. Yeah. I don't know that they would
have to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, would you consider that. Let's talk about this when
we come back for the next segment. He's Matt Williamson.
I am Dale, Lollie. You're listening to the drive here
on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be
back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is the
Matt Williamson and Matt you you threw out there the
other day about trading to go get Jaylen Millroe and
you say, yea, the potential aggressive and potential taking him
in the first round, all that stuff, and people panned it.
(19:08):
Let's say in this scenario, you did take Derek Carmon
in the first.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Round, pretty comfortable with your d line at that point.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Now you're feeling better. Or you took Kenneth's gran or
you took.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
One of those one of those three you stuck and
picked at twenty one.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And then you see this happen with the quarterbacks. And
let's say the Giants didn't trade up.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Okay, Day one's done and Milroe's still on the clock. Yeah,
let's say that. Okay, And let's say the Browns made
that move, they went up and get Sanders darts drawn.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's at the end of the first round, and you
think the Giants might be interested in Jylen Milroe. Would
you trade into the first round to go get him
after getting your defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I have to get my dtackle first, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And I think that's where the disconnect was you were
talking about. If you like him in the first round,
you're taking in the first round. Okay, then you're not
getting anything else yea.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And really the best way to walk out of this
with Milroe and a big time d tackle is you
almost have to trade back from twenty one at least somewhere,
because to get from what's their pick in the third
round eighty three, Okay, to get the eighty three to
thirty three, that's next year's first I mean easily, I mean,
(20:23):
and maybe more. I mean that's the thing is if
he starts slipping through the second round, I'm on the
phone a lot, maybe offering next year second.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It's essentially what you know, It's essentially it's what the
Ravens did to go get Lamar Jackson, right.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Right, right. I don't remember where they came from.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, the pick was thirty two, right, Their initial pick
was at like twenty five.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Say, I assumed they were in the early twenties of
round two, So you're looking at the BA only moved
up twenty spots. They didn't move up fifty, so it
was the two nineteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
NFL Draft was eighteen, right.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, would have the trades in there, ye, what they
gave up to gig Lamar and where they were initially
drafting at. So because Hurst was like twenty two or something.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
He's like twenty five.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Maybe that was just his age, maybe he wishes.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So and they took Hurst. Yeah, twenty five. Now that
was from Tennessee. Did they move down yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Maybe they there were more picks so, uh.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So Buffalo got picked sixteen from Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
And then it's always hard to find draft trying two
years later, like what they gave up and all.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
That, and then twenty two was Tennessee's pick from Kansas
City via Buffalo and Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I don't know what pick they earned where they started
in runs.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, I can so the Ravens in twenty seventeen, I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
We don't even know even know that answer. If we
just googled the Lamar Jackson trade, they would tell you.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I just want to. So the Ravens that year
were nine and seven. In twenty seventeen, they were picking
that was that was probably their somewhere in that mid
round sixteen sounds about right. Yeah, and they traded back
and they moved back. Yeah, they moved back to twenty five.
(22:26):
I'm assuming they picked picked some stuff up and then
they moved up to thirty two from Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, I just pulled up the trade here. Okay, they
traded in order to move up. The Ravens sent fifty two,
one twenty five and next year second for thirty two
and one thirty two. So one twenty five and thirty
two one thirty two really don't matter, right, So they
basically went from fifty two to thirty two for a
(22:56):
future second. Yeah, I'm interested in that. Yeah, I mean
that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Coming from eighty three, which is why you have to
if you want to make that move, you got a
trade back first.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Exactly, exactly. There has to be step one of the process.
Get your d tackle that you can you're happy about.
Even if it was Tyler Williams, you know. I mean,
in that situation, if I get a lot of AMMO
and I move from I don't know the Rams picking
round two, they don't have one A bad choice.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I guess the Bill Houston or yeah, somebody like that.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Somebody. You went pretty far back to get us. Because
you even to get a second, I think you have
to trade with you can't move down three spots from
twenty one to twenty three.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I don't think right, You're probably not gonna back too,
but I would explore all options. Now, yes, you might
get two threes, in which case you might be able
to move two threes and next year.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Second, next year three to get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
I'm really interested in that. I mean only and again,
I'm a scouting staff of one or two the two
of us, and I read or watch. I don't sit
down and talk with mister Miller Row or nobody was
like in first grade. But if I was convinced that
all things lined up, I'm gonna be aggressive. Yeah, especially
(24:09):
once DT is in the.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
In the build, and I think that's where something like
I want. I'm not interested in trading this year's first
round draft pick or next year's first round draft pick
to make that move, but if I can make it
happen by moving around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
And I find my guy on the cheap, I'm just
trying to figure out the cheapest way to get Lamar
Jackson or Josh Allen or Agains they moved back to
then come back up and get Lamar Jackson. Yeah, worked
out for them, worked out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. By the way,
I lay more Ammo than the Steelers then than the
Steelers do. Now.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Nick Chubb was the thirty fifth pick in that draft.
We were talking about that. Yeah, after Rashad Penny. Seahawks
took twenty the.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
High weight speed guy too, should have taken the better back. Yeah,
was there another part a Saquon Year? Yeah, saque went
number two overall. Don't take a running back in the
first round. That's not there. I would say it was
Derek Henry Year. It's not.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, he was earlier than that. But yeah, Nick Chubb
was the third back taking. Oh no, there's fourth. Sony
Michelle went in the first round as well.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Oh yeah, yeah his teammates. Yeah at Georgia. Okay, so
I know Chub had had a knee injury before at
that point too. Yeah, maybe there was a little bit
of medical.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So yeah, I think if you if you did it
that way, I could much more understand it. Like, and
I'm only giving up maybe one or two of those
future picks. I'm moving some stuff around this year because
I moved back and Gain picked some stuff up.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
All right, hypothetical, would you say yes or no to this?
Day two is over? You have Nolan or Harmon or
Grant or whatever, mil Row and that's all you've got,
And you don't have next year's third or next year second,
next year's two.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, because I know I got two threes next year,
and I got a quarterback, and.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I got a quarterback that might be the answer. And
and and I'm walking into day three with all my
picks for a nose and a running back. And you know,
if I left the first two days with just those
two guys.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And I think with I think with a guy like
mill Row, if I were going to make that move,
the fifty year option, actually first.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Year is not very good, you know. Yeah, Yeah, if he's.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
He's gonna red shirt the first year and maybe year two, right,
he might. I'm gonna find some ways to get him
on the field. Right, but he may not be my
starting quarterback in year two, but by year three he
might be.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
He might be for the fifth year is really valuable
to him, Yeah, because if he's going to a Pro
Bowl already, which is a fifth year option thing, right, Well,
then you're thrilled. Fiftye options a bargain. Yeah, I mean,
unless it's like a Huntly Pro Bowl appearance, it doesn't belong.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I mean that's kind of what five years from him.
That's kind of the what the Packers did with with
Love to a degree.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
They trade.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
They just took him where they were taking him.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And they didn't pick up the fifth year option. They
made a weird contract.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I knew he wasn't gonna play.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
No. Rodgers was winning the MVPs. Yeah, right right, and
Rogers was five years six years younger than he is now.
Just just a thought, I mean thought, two big cornerstone pieces,
a quarterback and a d tackle. The other stuff you
can fill in. There's not a lot of needs on
this team. The rest I could fill in with Day
three stuff. Yeah, another nose running.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Back, I gotta get her. I gotta get a defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I got That's one of the things that my priority
number one in this draft.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Everybody is overlooking in this draft. Everybody. Yeah, outside of Pittsburgh.
You hear all these other stuff. Nobody in Pittsburgh is
taking quarterbacks. Who knows squat right, right right? I mean,
but I gotta I gotta fill that need first, because
it's a big one.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
It's a big it's the biggest need. Yeah. Yeah, right,
But franchise quarterbacks available, I'm gonna be creative to get them.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, potential again, if you think if they think he's the.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Guy, right, if they're like, I'm not sure, he's got
a lot of work to do as a PAS, I
would one hundred percent understand it. Yeah, probably right. Then
if he falls to me, I'll get him, or maybe
I'll move up a little.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Well yeah, if he's if he's still available in the
middle of round two, I'll make.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
It cost me my third this year and next year's third,
and I got to move up twenty spots. Okay, I
mean that's worth the risk. If he stinks, I still
take one in the first round, or even if he's
just okay, I'm still take one first round. Yeah, but
if you think that not, the stars need to align.
But if I could just tweak this and give him
a year and let him hang out and be a
Steeler and all of a sudden we stole one, I'll
(28:34):
roll the dice on that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, So I just food for thought.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It is it is, you know, I wonder if you
have to explore every avenue of how you can find
a superhero quarterback. Yeah, and that's one avident.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Would you be willing to do that for shock.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Less? So because I don't think his ceilings is high,
I mean yeah, and I wish he was two years younger,
But that doesn't crush me, you know it?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Put it he would love shocked to be I'm gonna
be twenty six in September. Yeah, if p's you're starting
quarterback for ten years, that's right.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah. If I can land Shuck in some way, shape
or form. I mean, I'm still sticking by from my
Steeler quarterback room or board mill Rose my two, I'm
taking them my head. If if I have to take
one to twenty one, him or Sanders, I'm taking them.
I mean, it's just because they get the high the
higher ceiling.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Because that's a higher ceiling.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I should say all I care about is high ceilings
for my next quarterback.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Not saying you take him at twenty one.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yes, I'm saying it all had I had to choose
between him and Dart and Sanders, and someone comes out
of bottle and says, you have to pick those one
of those three and Shock. I'm taking mill row for
the Steelers, especially if I know Aaron Rodgers is.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Gonna be here, you know, Yeah, I just wanted to
give you.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't know what to do. Yeah yeah, yeah, I
mean I know what i'd pay for Shock. I'd love
Shuck to be rod Like Shuck comes in, beats out.
Rudolph is clearly the two behind Rogers, chomping at the
bit to get in there, like that's the home run
(30:06):
to me. Like, I mean we're asking a lot, right,
I mean, I don't know that that's possible. But and
then you're like, all right, Aaron, great for the thanks
for the year. We got this twenty seven year old
that's traded to roll Cool and Rudolph's two. Yeah, I
can live with that.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's not that much different.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That's not crazy from what.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Green Bay did.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Rogers didn't start until he was twenty six, twenty seven
years yeah, I was like twenty five.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Like these are mature dudes that have been around the block,
and you know the locker room is going to respect
them and things like that. You know. Yeah, yeah, I'd
love either one of those guys that end up in
La Trobe somehow.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
But I think the trade back is the key.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, because going from three to where you need to
get a quarterback is hard. Yeah, you know, And I
don't want to trade next year's first. Yeah, I'm just
I'm just not interested. You don't know what's going to
happen next year. And I know the other day I
brought that up, and my logic was, if they have
Aaron Rodgers, they may pick later in round one than
(31:04):
twenty one. And if you tell me next year's twenty
seventh plan, that's the plan. I mean, it could go worse.
You may end up eleventh and you're mad you traded
your first.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I think that's less likely to happen than picking at
twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I agree, I think there's a better chance to pick
twenty seven than ten. Yeah. If Rogers is if Rudolph's,
then a different story. You know, I need different Rogers
needs to be in place, it needs to be some clarity.
Then the d tackle needs to be in place. Then
we can start thinking mill Row. How now how do
I go get that guy? Yeah? Yeah, then that interests me.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
That's how the dominoes right, right right right?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yea, But those first two aren't that hard to line up. Well,
what do I know, Rogers, right, I'm not getting an
airon Rodgers head Eye one.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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Speaker 3 (32:11):
Bringing on I'm alway yours just just if you have
a path to find him your next Josh Allen, I'm interested.
Maybe you have a better idea.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, I just laid it out there. How the Ravens
went and got Lamar Jacks right right right.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
They saw an opportunity. Yeah, we might not need him yet.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
They may had Joe Flacco at that point.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Who was I mean it was what was a twenty
fifth pick. They thought it was more important to take
a tight end, you know, that was their their probably
their plan was let's.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Do our quarterbacks the draft and now they would take
Lamar twenty five, and they would I wouldn't trade up
for Hayden Hurst.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Like I'm trying to get in the mind of Ozzie
Newsome going into that draft. He's probably thinking, Joe's good
for another year. Next year is our year, just like
the Steelers are now. But if there's that one, dude,
Lamar's got a lot of ability.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, similar, you know, absolutely, let's get through that break.
He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening
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back with more right after this.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt
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Speaker 2 (33:28):
And we are back. He is the Matt Williamson, I
Am Dale Lolly and Matt headline on ESPN story. I
saw it last night and I'm like again with this Jets.
Justin Field says he learned from benching by Steelers. The
word benching's just the problem here. Yeah, Like it wasn't
a benching. He wasn't ever considered the starter. You can't
(33:53):
be benched. It's no different than if a coach says, hey,
you can't lose your starting job because of injury, and
you hear that from time to time in the NFL.
This is what happened. Russell Wilson was named the Steelers
starter last year. Justin Fields came in and played because
he was the backup, And when Russell Wilson was healthy
to play again, Justin Fields went to the bench and
(34:15):
Russell Wilson went into the starting lineup.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Absolutely so. Russell Wilson hurts his calf early in training camp, hypothetical,
that doesn't happen. He goes through camp, He's the week
one starter hurts his calf the third play of the game.
The word benching would never be brought up the field.
Yeah right, that's how it was planned to be. Yeah, no, right,
that's he was the starter, was injured on opening down.
(34:39):
And I'll give Fields credit because here's what he said.
I'm sure he's glassy about it, right.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
He said, it was, of course different from me in
a space where I wasn't necessarily comfortable instead of being
not playing, Okay, you know, I get it, Like he
was used to playing, he said. Coach Mike Tomlin or
coach Tomlin made a decision he thought was best for
the team, and I'm never going to go against that.
I'm not a selfish guy. What's over So I just
tried to change my perspective get better each and every
(35:05):
day in practice.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
He's real easy to root for, man. I hope he
does right.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I wish him nothing but well absolutely.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I mean there's been some quarterbacks that have gone I'm like, eh, oh, well,
you know, but that dude, I hope the best for it.
I just think he has some flaws on the field.
It will be hard to overcome.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, steely fans should actually hope he does really well
in New York.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
You get something out of because you might get it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
You might get that might turn into a third round pick.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
If you him and Russell Wilson go to the Pro Bowl.
His third round picks galore, right, und get a third
round them out right? Yeah, so we'll see. You think
they draft a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I think they could.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Who's one that they drafted the Florida State dude, I
mean late late he red shirted all year and they
have Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, they should consider it. It's really
a one year deal.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
For Justin really is. It's like a one year thirty million.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
He gets thirty guaranteed, and they could pick up the
next year for another for twenty but ten of that's garan. Yeah.
I don't hope I'm the best, but I think that's
gonna be a tough team to win with.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, I do too. I mean they got a lot
of holes.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
There are a lot of holes, tough environments, not a
great history of winning.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Somebody on the message board the other day mentioned that
why do you want why do you want Aaron Rodgers?
He couldn't win last year in New York with a
better roster than the Steelers. I'm like, I don't agree
that the Jets Jets roster was better than that.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Of the Steelers. It was a decent roster.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I didn't agree with it, Like I remember when they
played that, when the Steelers played the Jets and they
came in here and the Jets were favored net game,
it was like the wrong team's favored. I don't get it.
I just I didn't get it. Then I refuse to
believe it that that was a better roster. Yes, they
had some better players the stars, Yeah, but if you
look at the roster from top to bottom, it was
not a good a.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Lot of B level guys. Yeah, I mean it's Sauce
and Quinnen and those guys are real good players obviously,
but they don't have a lot of who are the
blue guys and the keep keep the whole thing together
type dudes.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And they were old and they were really like across
the border, like, yeah, the Steelers have some older guys.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
They also want rootball coached. Either, well, there's this guy fired.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Half with this the coach got fired the first of all,
they fired the offensive coordinator who had been fired in
Denver for being a bad head coach. That was halfway
to a season, right they bring him in.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I don't know, that's a lot need that fired. But yeah,
that was not a good ordinary situation.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
That was a mess. Like that was that there was
a bad situation in New York.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I will say though, like going into the season, Rogers
looks like he's going to be healthy. Other than Jets
could be a potential playoff team. You know, it didn't
work that way. They we talked about it even at
that point. We didn't play well for the first ten games.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
When we when we were talking about him, like they're
counting on a lot of old guys.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I think we always said the ifs or but yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
If this all lines and Tyron Smith played play a
full season.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Right, They were pushing their chips in to win last year. Yeah,
and it went miserably, which.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Is why they cut date with a lot of those guys,
including Rogers, all those guys.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, yeah, Tyrone Smith's not back right, right, No, I
get it. So it was an aggressive move. And after
you traded for Rogers gave up pretty much a couple
of second round picks.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Well, now you're brought in all of his dudes, right,
all right.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I guess it's restructured. Lazard did it.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
They did, so that is not like was speculating about
that the other day. I think it was a pro
football talk. You know, well Aaron Rodgers won, is his
best friend with him in Pittsburgh. Well, that's not happening.
What was happening, right, Yeah, And maybe the Steelers said, hey,
we're not bringing in Lazard. That's not happened.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
If he got cut out, he could be the third
guy or in the mix. He's not a bad player,
but I would not have done what the Jets did
with him and Cobb and all that kind of stuff too,
like they're not difference makers. No, No, I mean if
he wants to bring DeVante Adams with them two months ago,
or the Metcalf trade or all right, yeah, I think
(38:57):
I'll take those guys, right.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
But yeah, at this point, well we're two weeks out
from the draft and we still don't know anything.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But maybe everyone seems confident something's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
On the draft rolls around, maybe we will know something.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
They don't do it.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
They don't have their first on field workouts until the
week after the draft.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
So yeah, I still wonder we know what's what's Aaron thinking?
You know, do you know the answer now? Or are
you still kicking it around again?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Mike Dolan said he's been in constant contact with him,
so I think he would have a pretty good idea
of what Aaron's thinking.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
There sure doesn't seem to be any panic from Steeler
Land or Rogers Land. Yeah, so that's where we're at.
See where it goes. Two weeks out from the draft.
We didn't do Twitter Thursday today. That's been a good
tradition forgot all about it today just dawned on here man, Okay,
Friday days, Yeah, me too. We'll Twitter Friday, Twitter Friday
(39:53):
up tomorrow. It's been a smashing success.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yes, absolutely, okay, but anyways, that's going to do it
for today's show. So or my partner Matt Williamson, for
Justin Miller here on site running the Justin Miller hotline
and coming up with the theme for the Dean of Doom.
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how smart we are, whatever.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
We try to be.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'm Dale Lollie. We thank you for listening to this
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