HR4: Live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis

Matt, Dale, and Max chat live from the combine.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
And we are back. I am Dale Lolly.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
He is the Matt Williamson and of course Max Stark's
also here with us. He is offt on little something
here right now.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
He's always got a side project going. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Uh, Matt.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
We were talking earlier when when Jerry was on and
we're talking about that top part of the draft, ideally
for the Steelers, and we started to see some of
this creep into this. We started to see Omari and
Hampton's name creep up into the first round considerations. You
see him maybe even being a top twenty guy. We
started to see that with Travon Henderson more and more,

(00:40):
see more of these guys, you know, getting into you know,
we know Ashton Gent he is going to be He's
somewhere in that twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I don't think he gets past twenty one. If that.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
If that's the case, listen, whatever I just said, throw
it out. Take after Gent. Let him get past twenty one.
Do not let him get past twenty one, because I mean,
and I had that Penn State game, you know with
Ashton Gent, and that was a tough sledging, but he
was the only guy they said we are going to
get rid of this guy and that's all we care about.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
You never see that, no, I mean not in today's game.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
You don't see such attention paid to a running back
in that type of vein. But he denoted it. I
mean he was the Saquon Barkley of n C double
A last year, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
His yards after first contact.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Or like off the charge and his yards before first
contact was great. Yeah, he was around four four four
and a half yards before first contact and then the
yards after that contact because that's a smaller body type,
was just phenomenal. I mean it was, and it was
crazy to watch it. Even for as tough as it
was for Penn State, Like hitting him, you still were

(01:48):
holding your breath every single time. If you missed, great,
it was it was going to be a long day
for you. And I mean I and watching his film
like I mean the Mountain West Championship game, I mean,
he absolutely decimated the squad. I mean it was it was.
It was honestly, it was like playing a video game
with him this year. And I think whoever he goes to,

(02:09):
he is going to be that guy. I don't think
he gets past Dallas personally.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
But there's a couple of spots.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
There's a couple of spots. No way he gets it. Yeah, Denver, definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
There's a lot of teams that could could use. And
I've been asked a hundred times already. Well, if he's
available at twenty one, do you take him?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I do, Yes, it might be the best player to
drive Forget the last seven hours of coverage here, guys,
right right, If Ashjaj is at twenty one, you can
just mail at home.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Sorry, we're done.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Let's talk about this, just like I feel like if
Tep McMillan is there, because there's no way to I
don't care what anybody says. Teed McMillan is not making
out of the top fifteen.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Like I've watched this kid grow. I've I've saw him
at u of A. I live in Arizona. I covered
him in the Alamost year. I've watched him and and
and listen, and I love his little quarterback Noah for
Tita right, Like those two have been together his eighth grade.
He's caught a touchdown from this dude every year since
eighth grade. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying. So
and and it's not clean.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
That's gonna get broken next year.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's gonna because Noah's quarterback. That that's a streak to break.
But he's going to be a problem for anybody because
his yards after the catch is stupid. Like when I
and I say stupid in a very good sense, Yeah,
I mean I. I mean Oklahoma had all of their
starting corners and it did not matter. You could have

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put all four of them on him for one play.
Noah was still going to throw to him, and he
was still gonna have two hundred yards receiving. Like that's
just that he has a sense like the body field
we talk about George Pickens and his extreme catch radius.
Like just imagine George Pickens a little bit taller, right,
and a little and a little bit more wiggle at

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the top end speed. That's what you got with Ted.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Where do you think he runs when he's here? I mean,
I don't think he As long as guys run a
four to six, he's fine.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
But yeah, yeah, he's gonna be a four four, eight
to four five, I believe right in that range. But
his game which and his game speed is way faster
than what he's gonna run at this because.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Here and maybe Indianapolis won't be his best place to
show is you.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Know it won't be And I'm not sure. I don't
I don't know if he will run. I think he
might decline to run just to wait for his pro
day because then he'll be back in his friendly confines,
a place, a field that he's run all over everybody in.
And also the weather conditionally hurt him. Yeah, the forty
can only hurt everything else, like five ten five L drill,
vertical height, He's going to kill it, you know what

(04:36):
I'm saying. And then his tape backs up all of
those stats. The forty is the one that's not going
to help him because a when is a wide receiver
ever gonna be in a three point stance? I have
to be at a certain you know, you know I
used to watch Gorsak right like, hey hey, hey, back
that hand up, Hey hey hey, move this front foot
foot up. It's an unnatural position for a lot of
football players that it's just strictly at a track metric

(05:00):
to just give us a number. It's a different sport. Yeah,
it's a completely different sport. But his tape outshines anything
that you've seen. Just turn on any game, any game,
and you'll say, yeah, I want him, Like there's a
six foot five you like, Like Greg talked about, that's
a metric in and of itself, the height, his his
catch radius, and his ability to get away from you

(05:21):
after the catch.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I watched him against Arizona State last year and I
was like, he's good. I don't know if he's great now.
The quarterback play obviously played into that in Arizona State
killed them.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, but exactly because you have a five foot eight quarterback.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Okay, yeah, so back to Arizona State.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I know you're a Scatabo fan. Yes.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Through the Steeler Network, people said, you know, talk talk
to Max about Scatabo. What do you think of some
of these other backs not named gent?

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, Cam Scattaboy I love in day two. I think
he he did a lot to help himself this year.
Guy from Sacramento State, right, and you know he was
good a year ago. He played himself off into a
different stratosphere this year. Yeah, Scotta, Yeah, I mean you know,
and I went out to practice because obviously Hines is
out there.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
You know, it's a wide receivers coach.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
And it's only twenty minutes from my house, so you know,
and I had the I had the UH Cincinnati game
that was in Cincinnati a SU, and then I also
had the Big twelve championship game and watching Cam scataboo,
he is deceptively deceptively fast. Yeah he's not one hundred

(06:30):
yard sprinter, but if you give him a seventy yard
short track indoor track, that that that dude's gonna surprise
you and he's he's going to finish up near the tape.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
A receiver too, and think it's incredible.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
To underrated both him and gent I feel like are
both highly underrated in the hands game, like they're receiving
because they're not asked to do it. Because you know,
for a SU, Jordan Tyson was your guy. You know
what I'm saying, Xavi or Gillory were your guys to
go catch the ball.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
And then they had a yeah, no, no, those are
two two of their wide.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Receivers and they both had a thousand yards so like
there was no need for camp'scatagu to run that like
he'll run an occasional screen. But because they were so
worried about worried about Tyson and them, that's what freed
up their run game because they could never play inside
out coverage and the safety has had to stay deep
because they were gonna get burned. So you always had
seven man boxes. So for Cam, I think he's gonna

(07:23):
be really well suited with a second back. I think
him and Jalen warn would pair really well together in
the backfield. He gives me Peyton Hillis vibes. He gives
me a strong Peyton Hillis vibes. You know, he's not
quite Mike Alstott, but nobody really is, so you know,
I put him in that category, and I think he
is a Day two guy, and I would love Hey,

(07:44):
if he's sitting there in the third round still, if
he slides that far, I take him.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
I take him seconds a little bit now, unless we
traded back and there's an additional second, you get an
additional second.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
I would take him, no questions asked at the back
of the second round. But he's third round. He was
probably six seventh undrafted free agent before last season. He's
bumped himself up.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
At least two. He's not gonna run well, No, he's not.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
He's gonna be a four five eight guy speed wise,
But the problem is he has breakaway after contact.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Here's what I think people get too caught up in
the in the speed aspect of running backs and not
enough in the vision aspect of it. Yeah, like, you
can be as fast as you want. You could have
Carl Lewis out there, you could have yeah, you know whoever. Yeah,
but he can't see the holes.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
It don't matter, It don't matter, It don't matter. And
your lateral agility matters. How you do off balance spin
a hit to the side, you gotta His contact balance
is excellent, Like Ashton.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Kyram Williams isn't beating anybody in a race.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
No, Now, I might beat Kyra Williams in a race,
but guess what, he's still gonna weave and he's gonna
get you seven eight yards, right, I mean?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
And that that's and what are we talking about. I
need a guy I can depend on to get four
yards of carry every time. That's what you get with cam' scata,
you get four plus because also his offensive line. He
had a really good offensive line. Lef Faitano is another
guy not related to Troy, but their center did a
really good job of iding and making sure that they

(09:17):
had the blocks. Cam understood that, so him and his
center future.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, exactly, he had.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
They had an elite level of knowledge with each other,
and Cam played excellent off of that, like that Utah.
If you go back and watch a Utah tape, it
was a thing of beauty to watch. And I remember
sitting there. I didn't have that game. I was doing
my studying, you know, for another Big twelve opponent, and
I'm sitting there watching it and I'm like, who the
hell Now. That's when he first stood out to me,

(09:43):
because he hit four guys and then went forty more
yards like that, and.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Then you want to see a lot of that with him.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, how many guys, let's think about this in history,
have lost a Bowl game and they went into the
locker room to deliver the offen into the MVP to
that guy on the losing team.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Think about that in.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
The college for the best player on the field, you
were undeniably the best player on the field, and we
don't care what the score was. But he single handedly
brought ASU back in that game to take it into overtime,
and he was phenomenal. There's something to be said about
that type of personality, and he does not have an ego.
That's the other thing, like you all these things. He
Big twelve Championship game, MVP as well, got the got

(10:28):
the WWE belt and all that stuff, and he handed
it off to his office.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
You worry about the wear and tear on him. I
know people in the league do that.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Well, you're going to And that's why I think he's
not a lead number one back. And that's why I
think we're talking about the end of Day two, early
day three.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
But you don't draft running backs thinking they're gonna be
there eight years from now.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Either.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
No, you don't draft him second contracts. Yeah, it's a
rental car program. Right, It's like I'm leasing this guy,
you know. And also I'm pairing if I'm getting camp Scatterby.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
To throw up in the back seat.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Hey, that Crayon Melton
in the back, you know, the back corner in the
it's all good.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
That yellow a couple of years it doesn't look exactly
I kept it on it exactly.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
I mean, and I think you're and you're drafting him
to pair him with another running back. Right, you're going
to Detroit type of system. David Montgomery, Jamior Gibbs, Right,
he's going to be a great number two off of that. Yeah,
I think that's where if you have Jalen Warren, that's
why you get a camp Scataboo. You don't get a
camp scatabul if you don't have anybody in your backfield.
You're trying to build it from scratch. And that's where

(11:31):
he kind of falls behind Ashton Genty because Ashton Genty
is your starter. You build around him. Yeah, camp Scataboo
is coming in and he's going to be a really
strong exclamation point and highlighter for you to come in
and be your number two. And he's a change up
because he's the one that's gonna take the physicality. Jalen
Warren is gonna escape and and and nimble his way through.
This guy's a sledgehammer with vision, so he essentially gives

(11:53):
you some nausey capabilities with the vision aspect. When we're
talking about how we wanted to meld these two, you
get a and December football is where he's going to thrive.
He's not gonna do great in September and October. I
don't need him to be great in September and our
job done December January, when I can depend on you
and you can play in cold weather. I think that's
what he brings to this and he brings a physicality

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with it along with some breakaway speed if you if
you catch him off guard.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I don't know that this front office will be big
on taking running backs in the first round. You know,
Genty's different. I mean, he's not gonna be there, But
I mean, I don't think that's gonna be a trend
with this front office. But if you take a third
round Scotti, bow Or there's a lot of names trade
down Henderson, I think, you know, and then two years
from now, Scottogo becomes Warren in the in the age thing,

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and you take another one every two years and you
just keep that going. That that's winning football, that works,
you know, right.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, because because once again, if you're banking on finding
like our three guys this this offseason, right, you're gonna
take Josh Jacobs, Derrick Henry and Sakwan Barkley.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
That trio is not coming around right right, you know?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
And they went to great teams, and they went to
the teams that just needed that as they were different.
That was the missing ingredient. The Giants wouldn't have been
the super Bowl with Barkley.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
No, no, yeah, they were not as we saw, as
we said. And also for Saquon, he didn't fit their
system right, And that's the other thing. Picking a guy
that fits your system of what you want to run
matters and every.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
He and I know this, I almost know the Steelers
are going to draft the back yeah yeah, but I
think the one they take system fit wise is going
to be very important.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Like like take Tracy for the Giants, Tyn Tracy.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
He fits their system. That's why he looks so good.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
And that's why you're like, hey, well you know, we'll
say it anywhere anywhere.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
He fit their system. That's why he was so good
for them. And that's why the Giants are like, Okay,
well now we just worry about every other position that
we don't have an issue that's not a wide receiver
attack for a certain type of back.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
They they want specific guys. So if you find the
guy that specifically fits your system, you're going to be
in a good place. And that guy is here year,
especially later in the draft for the Steelers. So that's
the thing where you don't have to say, oh my god,
if we don't get Ashton gent or we don't get
this guy, it's all over with No, there's plenty of
them here.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
And then I might take another in the seventh round
or an undrafted free agent.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
There's enough. I think.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I think there will still be some good ones that undrafted.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
They can be a kick returner, they can be your
you know, do whatever you need to do. One of
the things that that is kind of Four years ago,
all we heard was, well, Mike tom Win just takes
these running backs and runs him into the ground because
he's he's only he only uses one back.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Said, yeah, he did that when he had Levon. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Was he was your shorty, he was your third down back,
he was your third receiver.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
You're he was your slot receiver. Taking that guy off
the field, Like, who are you taking off the field
for that guy?

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, exactly. Nobody's gonna come and say, hey, he's better
than him at this nobody at anything.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Protection receiving.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
The last two years, we've seen that last you know,
the last two years with Jalen and Nausey. Okay, yeah,
Nausey's rookie year. Yeah, they ran him like crazy because
they didn't have that other back. Well, now they have
two you know they have the two backs. Well, now
you get to do you know, find something to replace that.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, you got to replace that. And also, let's face it,
not all yards look the same. Why bang your head
up against this wall. Why me try and run through
this wall every time? When I have a guy that
can run around that wall, or if there's somebody there,
I know that I'm good to take take another route
to get there.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
And that's what it is. It's like, you want the vision.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
We talked about that the vision matters in this system,
especially because we don't use the full back right, you know,
even for some of the greatest teams, Like I mean,
we could argue for Derek Henry, he had Patrick Riccard.
You know what I'm saying, Like you know the charge, Yeah,
that's very helpful. A three hundred pounds full back. I mean,
you know tight ends on the field. It's that third
tight end. If we were one to run eleven, I

(15:50):
need a guy who can read vision. Right, if I'm
trying to put three wide receivers on the field, or
if I am going twenty one person, I'm using two
tight end and.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Make somebody miss you.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
The eighth Russell Griham taught me, this eighth guy is
the running backs guy. The other seven is on us,
but the eighth one is his. And if you keep
running into the eighth one and getting tackled, that we
need a new guy, or if you don't know where
the eighth guy is, the eighth guy surprises you every
time we need a new guy.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
It's easier said than note, easier said than done.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
But that's the concept that you're trying to go after.
And there's enough guys in here that understand that that
that responsibility and have had to do that at the
collegiate level. So it's not going to be a huge
learning curve for them, I thought. I think it's a
bigger learning curve when you take a guy who's used
to I formation football and has been success from that
and then try and make him into a single back
offensive running back. Because for Nase, wherever Naji goes next year,

(16:44):
he's got to have that lead back like the Chargers, right,
the Chargers use a lead back. Now we have that
conversation with Greg and Gus Edwards there, I would personally
take over right, and they have their they have their
pseudo defensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Patrick Ricard type there defensive a lineman. Yeah, I forgot
I forgot his name. They use two different ones. Actually, yeah,
So he.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Would go perfect in that system. And you know what, now,
as you'll be successful, and we can't sit there and say,
oh my god, he's doing so good over here. Good
for him, that's great, you know what I'm saying. But
for our system, that's not what we need. We need
a single back that can create off of an h
back motion or a wide receiver motion that also knows
where that eighth guy is in the box and can
make sure he runs away from that guy or he

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makes that guy miss based on his schematics.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It's so it doesn't sound like much, but we know
the Steelers are going to be a very high run
percentage team. I mean, yes, we know that. I mean
that's not a secret. And for much of the year
they were at like three point nine yards of carry.
They ended up at four. They have to be at
four to two, four three. You know, if you're gonna
run that much. It doesn't sound like much at all,
but over the course of the year, and that many

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more first downs and that hundred yards, that fewer third
and eights, you know, I mean, if you could get
the four five, that'd be wonderful with a fields or
something engined in.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
But third and three three.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Opens your playbook up more so than third and seven. Yeah,
right right, And that's the problem. We had way too
many third and six pluses after running the ball twice right,
right right? And also what hell's that number?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Right? Is the explosives? Right?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
You know you want to have a guy that there working.
We didn't have many of those, so it was and
we also know how many negatives we had to deal
with because of the lack of vision. But you're right,
it has to be in that four to two and
above average when we when it's all set and done,
must be greater than four point zero.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Can't beat the bottom five.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
No, you cannot be there because running Yeah, if you're
going to hand the ball off two hundred plus times,
you better darn sure make sure that you are above
pretty good point two.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, you better be good.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
And that means you've gotten a lot of tries at it.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
So why isn't it working if we and the other
thing that that hurt us we didn't have a bread
and butter run play.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
We did not have one established at all. Last year.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's funny I do a Thursday night show with Merrill
Hodge every and he all he says when things aren't
going well on offense, Chuck would say, let's get back
to our run gate or what is our best run play?
And that's where we start. Yeah, and then Merrill, what's
their best run plays?

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Like I don't know that one.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Take the ball and run north, But it was twelve
or thirteen trap?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Chuck, No.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Twelve and thirteen trap was their bread and button. No,
I mean, what was the Steelers in twenty twenty four.
They didn't really have one, They didn't have zero.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
For us, it was it was twenty two to twenty
three double or it was thirty four to thirty five base.
Those are our bread and butter when we wanted to
wear a team down or when things started to get
off the track. It started to get off track. Fourth
quarter four minute offense like the City, which we turned
into six minute offense. Twenty two twenty three, we ran
one game. I'll never forget this with JB. We ran
twenty two double six times in a row out of

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the same formation, no movement and it and we did
not get stopped. We converted four first downs on six tries.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Kind of felt like what the Ravens did to the
Steelers actuly what to helpless feel.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
But that's what a bread and butter play is, and
that's making sure that you know your personnel. Hey, what
are our guys good with? What can they throw anything
at the board at us? And we can block it
up regardless. You can run three down, you can run
four down, you can run three three nickel, you can
run a four to two double eagle, whatever you want to.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Call a Barting toss sweep, whatever it is, it's going
to be great at that play.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
And that was the one thing that I hated that
after seventeen games, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Give you an answer.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, And I will say I thought the second half
of the twenty twenty three season with a lot more
polling linemen that which also felt fed, fit nausey better.
I thought they were starting to create an identity and weaponizing.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Their offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
And I'm not criticizing the system, but that was working
and we got away from a little bit.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, and that was also having Eddie Faulkner ye have
an actual input into the system, right, because I mean
we got to it and we tried to run the
same type of counter system and we have both our
tackles pull into each other in the playoff game.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, yeah, that can't goes back to too much on
the plate and that's too much.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
And also your guy's not understanding the system and when
you're having cross motion and that extra guy comes in
the box and having your guy short circuit, because there
is no like bread and butter is not meant to
have a lot of pulling action like you have one
guy lead block.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
And for Nase doesn't.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
He just needs a lead blocker and that I'm gonna
and I'm gonna fight that. And listen, I Naji was
sitting here next to me, I would tell him the
same thing. You need a lead blocker, you need a fullback, right,
would you agree you run better with a fullback versus
without a fullback? Tell me yes, that's.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Where your eyes go and that's where that's where you go.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
And there's nothing wrong with it, because listen, if you
run I style formation football, he is going to be
a hell of a back to have to deal with,
because especially if you have to deal with the fullback
and then you got to scrape off the full back
and try and make the play. I don't want to
hit Naja to fall off after taking something, you know,
not having full speed. But if I'm meeting him full
speed and we've done something and I've shot the gap
on the backside before he's gotten going, we're in a

(21:58):
good place.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
You can take someone's decisions off his plate.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yes, guy, Yeah, he's got to follow that guy and
just and cut off of that. If he if his right,
if his butt cheek goes right, you go left. If
his butt cheek goes left, you go right. That making
it easy. But he's hitting a ball in the backfield
and saying we're running zone. So you have b gap,
a gap, backside, a gap, or you can cut it
all the way back to backside. See, I'm done. I

(22:21):
have anything else for you. I have nothing else for you.
But Jalen Warren. You give him that, and he's like,
I got you.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
I got you. Hopefully the next guy, Yeah, the next guy.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
But do I think Jalen could have been an I
formation back. No, he's too small, right, because that is
something you have to worry about, that lateral cross letter
and what was one of the issues Jalen had injury wise?

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Right?

Speaker 4 (22:39):
He got, he got, He got chopped down from the
side a little a little bit too much, took a
little bit off of his run game. He needs to
be the guy that could break you down.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
In the backfield.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Let's get to a break. Yes, let's do it. It
is Max Starks. I'm Dale Lallie and here with Matt
Williamson as well. This is the drive crew with Max.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
We call it that this weekend, third wheel, third Wheel,
third We welcome to the car.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
We are live here at the NFL Scouting Combine. It's Tuesday,
the first day of all the events. Omar Con spoke
earlier today about a lot of stuff here for the Steelers,
but we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Get to a break. We'll be back with more right
after this, and welcome back. I'm Dale Lowy here with
Matt Williamson. Max st starts as stepped away for a moment.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
He's a popular fellow, very popular.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
You can't walk through this event without seeing seventy two
people per hour.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
That no, Max, right, And he doesn't hide very well. No,
he's very difficult.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Can't camouflag yeah, sneak.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
He would have to hide behind stuff and that would
take big stuff, big stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Indeed, like this huge curtain behind us here.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, so, Matt, we haven't had a chance to talk
about some of the things that Omar Khn had to
to say today.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
The offensive line with Broderick Jones shifting over to left tackle,
is he is?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
He said today, that's the probable when they start in
the first ota sessions, that's where you'll see Broderick Jones
at Do you feel that we'll have a settling move
on him?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I thought I was happy to hear it, you know,
just because I think the sooner that that is declared,
the better. And we know he's played way more right
tackle than left tackle snaps, but that was in the NFL,
but that wasn't the plan and whatever he I don't know.
I mean, neither one is a natural right tackle, so

(24:38):
one of them is gonna have to learn, and you
know what I mean. But I do think the clarity
aspect of you're on the left, you're in the right,
let's go from here, the sooner the better, because there
has been a little bit of ambiguity over the years too,
you know, and drafting two guys that have.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Gone back and forth isn't perfect, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, So if that's the case, I think he's happy
to hear that. I would assume, yeah, yeah, yeah, if
that's the case, and obviously then Troy fa Atano is
going to be on the right side.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
And that's you know, basically what he said at the
end of the season last year, and we talked to
him on the last day. I think one of the
things that you need to remember. So I'm looking at
his prospect grade here this gain the Lancier line on
an NFL dot Com he was just six four seven, Okay, okay,
So if we look at this year's offensive line, the

(25:33):
top graded lineman is.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
A six four six. Doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
So by their grading skill, by by Lancier zero line's
grading skill.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
It's not gospel, but it's a good gospel. But that's
a good guideline.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Troy in this particular draft would be the number one
offensive line prospect.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I haven't thought about in that term. But that does
not shock me because there aren't true tackles in this
draft which should grade higher, like the Alts. I bet
like alt had a better.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well, Campbell's gonna go around a top ten something.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
That's what I was saying, Like, would I rather have
the Washington version of Troy or the LSU version of Campbell.
I think I'll take last year's guy, you know. I mean,
I think he's more tackleish. I think he's a better athlete,
you know.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I think that's kind of what's been lost on people
here because he didn't he played one game last year
and people I've seen people throw the word bust around sah.
I've seen you know, well, we don't know what we
have with him. That was a wasted pick.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
They could have taken Quinny and Mitchell, or they could
have taken Brian Thomas.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, they those guys turned out great, fantastic, right, right,
but they might have considered it at the time.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I don't know. We have to be open to the possibility.
And I'm just saying it's a possibility Troy followed Tanham
might be a better pro than either one of those guys. Oh,
it's quite possible, right.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I Mean, if you told Steeler Nation that you are
getting the best graded offensive lineman that's coming out of
the draft this year with that, sign him up right now. Ye,
we're getting a number one guy and you still have a
first round pick. Yeah, yeah, I mean like you're getting
that In addition to your pick. Yeah, that's the way
I think you should kind of look at this as
he's still an elite prospect. The little we saw of

(27:10):
him in pads and doing football things as a Pittsburgh Steeler,
We're good.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I'm very good, extremely excited about him, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
It was like he didn't belong once he got here.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, I'm just going to look up Roman Wilson's grade
here real quick.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's an interesting exercise, you know, like what are you
getting here if you almost look at them like extended rokies.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Because that's really what they're going to do, like getting
two extra draft picks this year, not to lee. Yeah,
just so, he had a six point three to oh
grade it's pretty good, which is pretty good. So a
six point three to oh grade in this year's draft
would put Roman Wilson firmly in the top ten. Jack

(27:53):
Betch has a six point three to three on according
to NFL dot Com. Jalen Royals, who I like, Jalen Royals.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, yeah, the Boses guys be good Steelers. A six
six point two seven.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, so in this year's draft, the guys who he
would be ranked around at that point and Mecca Ekuba
six three seven, Trey Harris A six three four, Isaiah
Bond A sixty three three, and betches A six three three.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, that's a significant prospect coming back in the mix, right, That's.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
What you've got coming back, and so you have to
look at that.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay, if those guys were in this draft, if Roman
Wilson were in this draft, people will be talking about
him as a potential second.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Round draft pick.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
So if you're rewind several hours, you weren't on with me,
but you were sitting here and you were working, and
Trevor Sikima from Pro Football Focus joined us, and I
was really grilling them on d Lineman.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But at the end.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
West brought up, you know what about the receivers, and
he talked about you know, Golden and Burden and the
top guys. But then unsolicited, he said, but I.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Really liked Roman Wilson here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, he's a good player. We just had to see
him last year year because of the injury stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, and I think people were looking at him like
he's a boss too, and it's we've explained this over
and over. I don't think that's the case. I mean,
it'd been nice to see more of them, and there
probably could have been some opportunity, but I don't think
it was. We don't think this guy can play. You know,
he has no chance. He's not going to help us.
So yeah, had him to the mix too. That's encouraging.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think people looked at him in particular, and you know, well,
you know he was healthy for a while and they
didn't bring him back. Well, yeah, because he missed training
camp and he's a rookie. Yeah, you know, we saw
how how difficult it was, you know, for Mike Williams
to get on the field after the trade. He's a
veteran guy who's been in the league for eight years,

(29:42):
Amari Cooper.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I mean those guy Hopkins with the Chiefs, so they
struggled to make an impact. Yeah, a lot of these
guys that are new to their that at that position
have a tough time acclimating. It's not just a Wilson thing. Yeah,
so don't write his book yet by any.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Means in essence, in this particular draft, getting those two
guys back, you're getting an additional first round draft pick
and an additional second round draft pick.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Basically, I mean a top ten receiver and a top
two or three type O lineman guy, maybe the top
maybe number one.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, right, so you know, I when when people say,
well you need a draft offensive, they got to go
draft offensive. You're getting a first round offensive lineman back.
But you didn't have all last year. Yeah, I'm willing to.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
They're still very high on and despite not playing much
football yet, has been all these both these guys and
Lee and Watts, they've been professionals for a year two.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean it's basically a red shirt year for them.
They understand.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I mean it sounds stupid, but they you know, they
now have their homes and their apartments and their cars
and their route to work and their favorite rest They
know where everything's at in the building, and they know
all the stuff football, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I mean they they've.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Sat in the classroom the entire time when right, Okay,
I'm learning. They know the offense now.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, like, well that's all Seamalu handles himself, you know,
and on game day and prep work and all those
type of things too. Okay, I'm a better professional than
when I came in the league. Yeah, despite not playing.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I just think that I mean, it's it's honestly it's
like having a you know, additional Day one and two
draft picks this year that you're going to be able
to make use of next year. And you get those
picks this year. I also think Lee might be your
next Lowry.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Watts Warmly, you know that guy. But yeah, there's a
lot of value to that too. If he's like your
fifth guy that plays quality snaps great.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot to like there, and
and uh, you know, we'll see what he becomes. But
you know, he's six', five he's two hundred and eighty five,
pounds ninety. POUNDS i, mean you, know we'll see what
that turns. Into so, obvious, yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
For the first two, picks BUT i mean the fact
that four half their draft class was not.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Available but when people are talking about The steelers draft, needs,
yeah offensive line and wide, Receiver well you've got two
of those starts.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Coming come, back, Right but you didn't get to see last.
Year so let's not forget about.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
That so let's sweep them away because, well they didn't
do anything as a, rookie.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Sure or neither one of us suggesting they're, done especially a.
RECEIVER i, mean and.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Made that pretty clear that they're gonna. Receiver.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Right but and even Mister rooney said that is you,
know even when we've done our mock drafts and things
of that, nature we've you, know we've gone you, know you, know,
yeah you Have George. Pickens if you lose these guys
and we're gonna go sign another, guy and then you're
still going to draft a guy we've kind of forgotten
About Roman wilson in that.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Regard, yeah, YEAH i, mean, FRANKLY i think the guys
that are most certain will be on the opening day
roster Are wilson And. Austin, yeah you, know and they're
gonna be. There, YEAH i MEAN i Think pickens, will
but there's a chance he gets. Traded everybody else fill.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
In the, gaps, right you know how many of those
are gonna Be, yeah they're gonna be, There and you know,
what that's the jumping off.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Point what do they bring to the. Table that's that's the.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Question but, again if they If Troy filtano And Roman
wilson were in.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
This particular draft this, year ye.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Would be highly sought, after maybe a top ten, pick
And wilson probably doesn't get out of the top.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Sixty, Yeah SO i Thought max had a lot of
really good, stuff you, know offensive line scheme stuff and
what they were asked to do and all those type
of things. Too your two in a system goes a
long way as. Well, yeah and you, know for everybody, evolved.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You're adding two key players at two key.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
POSITIONS i, mean they thought enough for those guys last
year to take them in the first and third. Rounds,
yeah they obviously like, them and they're gonna be a
part of the.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Part of the process. Here And i've very high Hopes. Foranu, Yeah,
Wilson i'm excited.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
About. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Absolutely let's get to another. Break he is The Matt.
WILLIAMSON i Am Dale. Lolly this is The drive on
The Steelers Audio. Network we are live from THE Nfl Scouting.
Combine Max stark's back in the saddle here with. Us
he will be back for the next segment and we'll
take you all the way through till five o'clock here
on these very.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Airwaves we'll be back with more right after. This and
we are.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
BACK i Am Dale lally here With Max starks and
The Matt williamson and uh, well we are live here
at THE Nfl Scouting. Combine we will be here all
week long Until. Friday, uh then we will pack up
and head back To, Pittsburgh mettle Or maxwell head back
To phoenix and uh yeah we'll see, again maybe owners.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
MEETINGS i guess owners. MEETINGS i, hey going to the breakers. Guys, yeah, yeah,
Yeah i'll probably drive down from MORE.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Landa i'll probably see my mom in the process before
then then drive down to meet you guys.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
There one of the things that came up, Yesterday, uh
and there.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
WAS i guess a meeting of the competition committee over
the weekend would be a telephone though obviously they'll probably
have a meeting here as.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well Mike tomlin sits on that banning of the tush.
Bush somebody somebody.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Brought that up as a as an offensive, lineman as
a purist of the.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Game, yes what do you think about that?

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Play if you got, It god bless, you BECAUSE i
mean it's a lineman's dream right to be able to
get in and create a full on SPARTAN failanx on
the football.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Field you know What i'm, Saying, like it's the shield, wall, right,
essentially that's what it. Is you know What i'm, Saying,
like being as a war history, buff without and, yeah
no spears.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
And no, shields BUT i mean pretty. Close you, know.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Helmets are, close and there's fists there that like. Spears
it's a phenomenal. PLAY i just, think like you, said
it's different if one team only has access to it right.
Now granted other teams could practice, it but they. Don't
we're seeing, More we're seeing more try. It but it's not,
that not to the degree of The Philadelphia. Eagles it's a.

(35:46):
Play it's, legal you know What i'm saying that that's
the other.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Thing it wasn't legal though when you, played it was not.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Illegal we weren't allowed to get that titan get the
end food hog in that type of way.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
You should be.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
ILLEGAL i, MEAN i believe, it BUT i, mean Let's fay.
Said i've, also you, know we've done the catapult position,
before right where you know you've turned behind and you
kind of just your guy you take the pancake.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Block it's a little different, Though, yeah it. Is it.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Is you, know it used to be illegal when you,
played because, guys you'd see the you, know offensive. Lineman
everybody stood up and then all of a sudden you
get somebody crashing into the back of, them and, yeah
bad things happen after bad, feeling but.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
It was also more so like we would catch it
at the end of, runs, right you know What i'm.
Saying that's where it wasn't the. Design it wasn't a
design from snap type of. Run ours was postplay. Action
when does the whistle stop right? Right because you can't
see when the running back's legs actually stop and keep
going because of all the you, know the massive humanity
that's in there this from the, BEGINNING i think you

(36:45):
need to tighter regulate how it can be. Implemented SO
i think you need to adjust it on who and,
where just like you, know just like the extra point
right and field, goal like removing a guy off of
the actual snapt, body right outside of the framework of the.
BODY i think that could be something where you, say

(37:06):
you can maybe aid the offensive, lineman but the quarterback.
Can't you, know you can't, push you can't push the quarterback,
through but you can help a down lineman. Through as
far as root hogging in those, MOMENTS i think it
has to be. REFINED i don't think you need to
ban it, completely BUT i think it does have to
be tweaked as far as it just for competitive fairness
right across the, board, because LIKE i, said we see

(37:28):
one team that can really do it and thirty one
other teams that either don't or they suck at doing, it.
RIGHT i mean that that that's what it comes down,
to and we're here to, create not to create disadvantages
in favor of one. Team we're trying to make it
equitable across the. Board SO i think it can be.
TWEAKED i don't think you need to get rid of it,
completely but you do have to change some of some

(37:49):
OF i think the legality and the formality of.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
IT i just DON'T i don't play. ITSELF i, mean
is it all that different from a quarterback? Sneak not
really in the grand scheme of, things it's just. Quarterbacks
the ones that drive me, crazy, though are when you
see the running back he's five yards down the field
and now there's he stood, up but they allow the
play to. Continue then you go to the to the
to the game against UH i think it Was Kansas.

(38:13):
City at the end of the first, Half George pickens
catches a ball out on the, edge guy's tackling. Him
another guy player comes, in knocks, him knocks his own,
guy they attack.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Would be tackler.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Off they'd already blown the whistle When George pickens is
running down the. Sidelines, yes if that was a running
back in the in the inside the, box they would
not have blown blown the.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Whistle Den, No, no they would not.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Have and that that's WHERE i think you have To
that's WHY i think you have to Have, YEAH i
hate to say Because i'm not a guy who wants
to expand an already ridiculous rule, book you know What i'm,
Saying because that's the. Thing we're supposed to make this
a little bit. Clearer but the problem is when you
evolve player body, types you evolve skill.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Sets.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Things guys are, bigger, faster. Stronger human eye doesn't catch it.
All SO i want it more simplistic and just make
it easy for us to understand if his feet, stop ball,
dead feet keep, going ball still keeps. Going ball does
not get blown. Whistled you know What i'm, Saying, like
does not get blown, dead that cutting, dry that's cutting.

(39:13):
Dry feet stop playstops feet, go play still goes.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Like just keep it that. Simple AND i think that's
where we kind of. Were, well the guy that was
on him the angle with which his foot.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
No.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
No and with the, quarterbacks you, know, quarterbacks if the
guy's wrapped around, him even if his feet are still,
moving they'll blow.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Dead they'll blow a dead.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Immediately and it's, like, okay now a quarterback in the
backfield of something is a different, story, Right and so
there's too many what ifs and exception to this asterisk,
here comma here and butt or you, Know AND i
think just cut and. Drive the legs are still. Going
you can still go legs, stop play stops and that

(39:52):
and keep it at.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
That and then we come to the toush.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Push, okay you cannot push the primary ball, carry but
you can push guys around, him, right you. Can you
can create the failin, skill you can create that, pocket
but you can't push the guy over the top of, that.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
RIGHT i think that would be making a lot. Easier
my complaints with it are just As. JOE i just
Think joe average fans sitting on his lazy boy doesn't
enjoy the. PLAY i don't think it's enjoyable entertaining in any.
Way it's almost like The manners game where we see it.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Whistled you, know they're flying over the, time, right four.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Or five times and they're going to touchdown and every you,
know IF i wanted to watch, rugby i'd put rugby.
ON i, mean it's not it's a rugby. Scrum it's such.
Scrum and then the other thing is and it hasn't,
happened AND i hope it. Doesn't BUT i thought watching
it for the first couple of, Times i'm, like quarterbacks
should get. Hurt somebody's pushing me from, behind And i'm

(40:44):
meeting all this resistance from you, know like they get.
Ben something bad's gonna. Happen, Yeah i'm.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Gonna get it hasn't because you, know the, body the
body control lean of a quarterback most of the time
they've been you, Know Jalen hurts is strong, enough, RIGHT
i mean he Squats, barkley so you know for, him
he has a low.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Back But i'm, worried like If Kenny pickett tried to
run that same exactly or.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Anybody, well they did do it With Kenny, pickett AND
i don't think it. Worked, no it did not. Work
you know what people doesn't have legs for? It, well
why doesn't everybody do? It, well not everybody Has jalen
hurts who has legs like tree. Trunks AND i also
Wonder burrow and it wasn't A kelsey.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Thing wasn't that kel thing Because Cam jurgens also had
the capability to do. It AND i, think you, know
LIKE i, Said Joe, BURROW i wouldn't run to push
With Joe burrow in a half he get broken in
half because the problem is is the problem when you
get here and you get stood, up if that knee
is extended and the rest of your body's, BACK i.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Think it's a potentially very dangerous that's.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
A season ending knee injury in that moment because you'll
get crippled or you get bent back behind and then
all of a, sudden you're running back pushes you while
guys in your.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Chest now you've got low. Back i'm getting pushed on both.
SIDES i, MEAN i thought there'd be a lot of.
Injuries it hasn't, been which is.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Great but, yeah because most teams realize quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Or what other teams do though they've a tight end
coming into.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
It yeah, yeah they run wildcat right or running back
get in there right and takes a snap from under.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Center, yeah he's less. Valuable burrow doing.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
It, yeah, yeah, no, NO i need a guy that you,
know my guy is on the second. Contract we just paid,
him you, know a quarter of a million, dollars a
quarter of a million. Dollars i'm keeping that guy out
of that, way and he doesn't need to do. It, hey, hey,
minimum wait.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Guy, yeah it's just you, know between, THAT.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I got used to the new kickoff. Rule. YEAH i
didn't like the new. KICKOFF i still, don't BUT i
got used to, it AND i UNDERSTANDATURAL i understand why
they're doing. It and concussions were down this.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Year, Yes now it was it because of that, necessarily
we don't, know we just know, that or.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Was it because everybody just kicked it out of the
ends said we'll just start with seventy yards a.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Field so now they're talking about moving the kickoffs back
five more yards.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
So people can't do.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
It so people can't do that as easily and you
have more kick. Returns.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Yeah, yeah because once, again as long as there are
rules this, world there will always be people who will
look to break or Been, absolutely that's just the nature
of human.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Beings, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Exactly you, know you, know it's, like, hey the money
that was under the table in college is now on
top of the. Table you know What i'm.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Saying first, Reward, yeah got a reward exists different when
a guy has a half a million dollar car.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Collection after, that sham now gets his.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Gun, yeah exactly Whatis florida And georgia do you see
us on the? Docket they're trying to make nil money
tax free to the, players try and make it more.
Enticing So i'm, like it's just it. Was it's no
different than here when we talk about THE. Prola, hey
if you go To tennessee Or texas or no state income,
tax you know that that's a Savings but now you

(43:44):
know it's like you're trying to further.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
That BUT i, mean BUT i think that's.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
One of the biggest things THAT i look at is you,
know like that compensation is one, thing and LIKE i,
said we make.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Decisions on who should do what based off of what you're,
paid what's your valuability to?

Speaker 4 (43:58):
This but BUT i kind OF i kind of lost
my train of thought just.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Now then doesn't sound like you have a huge problem
with the touch. PUSH i don't have a huge. PROBLEM
i have a huge. Problem My my issue comes more
with the application not they actually play.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Itself BECAUSE i love the fact that you can get
down and root hog and just drive it. Forward but
like you, said the push from, behind multiple guys pushing
one one has each cheek.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Assignment so, yeah, yeah that's WHERE i have a. Problem
just allow somebody get get. It you. Know well you
can lift.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
The guy up shorts right and put them up in
the air like. THAT i have a problem with, that,
right you know What i'm, Saying like those are the
things so it's more nuanced than anything. ELSE i like
BECAUSE i love quarterback. Sneaks, MAN i love What then
we'll call out to quarterbacks BECAUSE i was, like, okay
which one which size is the?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Nose shade it? On that's the way we're. Going.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
ANYWAYS i used to Love brady doing, it who's not
big and strong like, her you, know the most physical.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
GUY i just smart AND i hit that hole AND
i pick it, up you know, exactly just dive forward
and get.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
There SO I i love, it AND i love the
physical nature that it brings to. It BUT i just,
don't LIKE i, SAID i don't want the additional assistance
because every if it's just one guy doing, it but
normally it's two guys behind, him, yeah making the failings
and then and then you're wedging him in. There SO,
i LIKE i, said if you move it off and you,
LIKE i can now use the guard or a tackle

(45:14):
and push in that way and quarterback has to make
his own way after, That i'm fine with.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
That BUT i, think, yeah exactly to that role aid ball.
Carrier yeah and listen and. LISTEN i was.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
ONE i was, notorious you know in my career peeling
off the. Pile LIKE i loved. IT i was, like
please please stand SO i can. Go and you, know
and you, know you can't allow alignment to launch. ANYMORE
I i used to. Launch if you watch my, Film
oh we can get that pile? Up oh you? Were oh,
man yeah, exactly Worm. Burners, Man i'm there for. It

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i'm there for pick, off pick, off the whack a,
mole you know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
SAYING i love. THAT i love that. Play, so you,
know SO.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
I THINK i think that's WHY i have an affinity towards.
It but like you, said it just needs to Be
it needs to be, changed changed a little bit and
tweaked so that it is equitable for everybody else.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Involved i'm, sure you wouldn't mind being on That eagles.
Line just drive it down people's.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Throat, Also i'm small now on that Off Makai beckton
was bigger than, me you know What i'm. Saying so
as long AS i can say THAT i was not
the biggest And i'm my second, Biggest i'm cool with.
That jordanie a lot taller than, me SO i get
to be number two for a, time SO i don't
stick out as. MUCH i blend, in except for When
i'm standing next To Cam.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Jurgens they may have made you a guard like back. That, yeah,
exactly all of a. Sudden, yeah, well let's get to
another break. Here that's going to do it for hour
number two here with us the.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Book we're just cutting the.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
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Speaker 1 (46:42):
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Speaker 2 (46:43):
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Speaker 1 (46:48):
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Speaker 2 (46:49):
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