April 29, 2024 • 47 mins
The guys discuss the Cowboys 2024 Draft Class, the return of Ezekiel Elliott, and how productive a running back by committee will be with a new-look offensive line.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Boys.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church,
Danny McCrae, Heckma Harrison, and new he Scrugs.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
All right, you are in the SWBC podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Center on Newly Scrugslaoa, heck Ma Harrison, Barry is the
Player's Lounge, and we come to you after the NFL Draft.
But we have news today as we're here at the
Star that an old face is returning to the organization.
Ezekiel Elliott was slated to take a physical ten o'clock,
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I mean eight o'clock, excuse me. Ten back in the building.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Go your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Look, I'm gonna say it wasn't a you know, terrible
moving in my opinion. You know, I think he can
bring it. Come in here, and you know, Zeke, one
thing about that. You know he's gonna be able to
pass protect and you know he's gonna be able to
punch the ball in from the from the five yard end,
like he's gonna be able to be that guy that
can ground and poind we talked about.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It on the last episode.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
We need that back that's going to be able to
wear defenses down. Is he the same back that he
was years ago? Not at all, But.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I think what he can do can service this offense.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
He can pick up you know, blitzeres and pass protection
and he can knock it in from the five yard end.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So to me, I.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Didn't, you know, I thought it was a It was
a solid move.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You know, it wasn't a game changer, but it was
a solid move.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
We'll talk about the drafting a little bit, but yeah,
I think, you know, bringing Zeke.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Going a solid move BC. I could not be happier
there it is. I'm happy. I'm happy about this move.
Never should have left, is what I got to see
about it. I mean, look, new it got you choked
up because you get some more water. Because the thing
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is is that we talked about this long and hard
throughout the season, and I always said, I'm like, look,
this is a piece to what we do offensively that
the Cowboys are gonna miss. And maybe they made, you know,
Tony Poulter the upside with him, the speed portion, and
maybe be bringing in a guy like Rico daddo some
of those other guys, you would have been able to
mix and match them in. I think the thing that
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you missed most about Zeke last season was those tough
inside runs. You missed that. You missed that you were
just talking about five yards in in the red zone.
You missed that from Zeke. And it was so many
times over the course of the season that you were
saying seq with a score right there. Zeke would have
picked up that blitz. You know, all of those things,
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and like, man, it's sometimes you don't miss a good
thing until it's gone. And I think for him, I
can't wait to hear his interview, like what was his
experience outside of a building going in New England and
what's the feeling for him coming back. I think you
make it. For all the rumors and things that people
said about Zeke and off season stuff, I think that's
you're not gonna get that Zeke. Yeah. I think the
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guy that you get coming back in and the building
is going to be focused and let's keep it real.
He can help this team. He can help this team.
And so you add a piece that knows the offense,
that knows a portion of the offense already and the personnel. Look,
it's a perfect fit. And look, man, thank for the
organization to put egos aside and bring back a player
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that they know can help them.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Well, come on, well, so we don't have to rely
on the immortal.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Two thoughts, it's out.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
First thought is.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You could if he was if he'd accepted a large
your pay cut last year convening.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You and your agent thought that, you know, you were
worth more, and you found out quickly that that was
not the case.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So let's put that there. Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
The second portion of it is you look at the draft.
They didn't go get anybody, so now you're here. I
I conceived the mentality of it because they had so
many holes to feel. We knew there was going to
be a wholesome place. So the organization basically, okay, fine,
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look we we got another. We got another, so we
got we got something else. Not going to force anything.
I just don't know how much of a difference this
is going to make. I'm still the person who remembers
all the negativity as he at the end. You know this,
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it's not that it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Okay, do we forget that that's true?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
This is heck, you don't know if he was born
at the time. Tom Lander goes three and thirteen in
nineteen eighty eight. Everybody's man, everybody's mad. Games passing by well,
then Jerry buys a team in eighty nine and he
gets rid of him.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It's like, oh my gosh, what are we doing. He
can't do that. Wait a minute, you guys were all
saying it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It was done.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So it's a weird kind of deal. You were done
with Zeke makes too much money. Then he's gone. Now
we're missing him with Oh gosh, you can't get it
for the five yard line, bring him back. So I'm
just kind of sitting in the zone of, yeah, if
there's a place where he.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Can help, how he helps, We'll see how his.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Mentality comes back going to New England. You know, what
does he bring back here? I'll be interested.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I always like to say, let it play out. That's
where I'm here, Let it play out.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
What was this?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Due f Royce Freeman? How do they make this running
back room work? But uh yeah, Rico and Lepke do,
So what is it? I would say, as you look
all around the kind of the rooms they have, that's
one room. Right now, are you confident in the room?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Okay, are you confident the right and.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
In my confidence level it stems from do you have
the same caliber of a running back that the New
York Jets have. You just look around the NFL at
the guys that you say that, these are apex guys
in the NFL, and I don't look at Zeke at
this point in his career as that guy. You know
that it's gonna diminish as time goes on. It's a
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lot of miles, a lot of tread on those tires, right,
I believe My only belief is when I when I
looked at last season, there were games where Tony Poler
really didn't give you anything, uh in the ground game,
and you depended a lot on Dak to back up
and throw us out of situations. You needed somebody on
a third and four to be able to pick up
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a first down instead of relying on relying on Dak
to make that pass. It takes a lot of the
pressure off of him. That's all I'm saying. Now, if
it's a running back by committee and I'm talking about
three dudes that can actually get it done, then I'm okay.
With that, all right, I'm okay with three guys having
a culmination of sixteen hundred yards seventeen hundred yards between
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all three of them, I'll take it, all right, Lipkey,
give you three hundred break it up, all right? Give them.
You're like, I'm trying to go with your vision. I
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will go.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I'll go back to Isekia Ellie's previous head coach, Bill Belichick.
You played against him. He's run through a lot of
different guys through the years. Man Man won a Super
Bowl with Antwine Smith and Jr. Read Now it's running back.
So he did a mix and match and they figured
out what it is they wanted to do. And this
is where you go to Mike McCarthy, all right, you
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got this gumbo here, how do you make it work?
And so that's what I'm trying to figure out. But
if you are a Cowboy fan and you just go
through the years, this is an organization that's been used
to a Bell cow running back Dwayne Thomas in their
first Super Bowl win? Who should have won the MVP
that game? To Tony dor said to EMMITTT. Smith, to Ezekiel.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Elliott the Marco.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, so you're used to seeing a lead dog here,
this changing of the guard or how they're going to
do this. I like to see because right now, all
I can go by is what I know. And around
here when they've made it go, they've had one guy
and he's going to do it. So they're gonna go
a different way. Let's see how they have it a
different way.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, and then the committee, it can work. The running
back committee, it can work. We've seen cases of it.
The only thing that worries me about, you know, going
into this season, if they don't, if defenses don't respect
that run game, and we've seen it all before. They
don't respect that ring, they're gonna let all that coverage
in the back end make everything murky for Dak.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And he can that you know, get through the waters,
of course he can.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
But that's a lot of weight you're putting on your
quarterback when you don't have a run game to help,
you know, compliment that passing attack, and defenses is just
come to sit back and wait, because if they don't
respect that run game, it's gonna be hard to move
the ball through the air consistently for seventeen games.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Who's your starter? Day one?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
See right up right, off the bat. I don't see
any of these other guys beating Zeke out in the summer.
I don't. I don't see it. You know, you still
have one of those guys, that man, he still has
some swag about himself. I mean, and look that knew
his new England stent. It wasn't it wasn't great by
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a long shot, finished with like six hundred yards on
the ground. But still he show flashes. He show flashes,
and those flashes.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
We just came to hope you man was like that man.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
You see what he did the Pittsburgh You got some
ju left.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Kind of a game, a game, not a season game,
not a pro.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Bo, not about the game, game game we needed him
versus Green Bay, give me that game versus Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
A lot of a lot of games you had this.
So I'm just listening to your words, your words.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You know he's gonna gonna write that down in the
little book over there.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You understand how this is.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
We talked some hope that hoping.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You're hoping it can be what it was was hoping.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, is it?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
You think they're done adding into that room? You think
that's the room going into the season. No injury is
nothing that could be the room.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I don't know. I would have to think it. The
roster construction at the position like that is still still open.
But I mean, as we're just talking here.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It remains fluid.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
When the man left, No, there wasn't a big people
had there was there were certain folks who like this,
not what he's done.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Then you call him back.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
So now you're gone from his last year calling him
full back to now now you you're want to hope.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
If he can give you five fifty six. I you
think he could give you five fifty or six hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think, so let's go. Let's go six hundred three.
It was two hundred. We put this thing together. Man,
it's a piece of puzzle.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
In baseball. This is the equivalent of guy. He's not
a starter anymore. Hey, man, we're gonna bring out the bullpens.
He gives one to two. That's good. He's not that
horse that he used to be. No, so we have
to know that el is not the where.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
He used to be.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's a lot of a lot of carries, man, that's
a lot of carriers. Twenty and sixty five carries for
Ezekiel Ellis.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It's a lot, a lot, like you know, your your
body only has so many hits, and so how they
use him, how to utilize it.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's got This is.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Truly a committee. Now, this is truly a committee.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And you go back to those seasons, man, where he
had gutsy performances everybody like he's playing with a PCO
injury and all of that, and they never come back
to that, you know, they never come back to this
the way that he gutted out some of those had
some gutsy performances and still sty didn't you know, wasn't
inactive for any of those games. Like, my thing is
is that you need a guy like that in that room.
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You need a guy like that. And if they're not done,
I mean they I know, we're going to go into
the draft and what we didn't do. But in the draft,
there was obviously some thought processing that that we're going
to have to get a veteran at some point and
the ones that were left and the likely the likely
to them saying, look, this is a guy that we're
familiar with, and they just with that move.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
ESPN reporting it is a one year deal with a
maximum value of three million dollars or Ezekiel Elliott, which
is which Honestly, this is what was going to happen
in this market for guys like Elliott.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We saw Royce Freeman.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
There's there's not the big days of dollars, them being
paid big dollars, and the running back is that that's gone.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So it makes economic sense. So it is what it is.
Let's take our first break and dive into this draft.
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We scruged Lor and Barry Church, so range Dan McCrae
with the night day off.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So we spent the first segment diving into Ezekiel Elliott. Yes,
coming back to the team.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Heck things come game one. Ezekiel Elliott is the starting
running for this team. The draft was just held here.
We saw first round pick Tyler Guidon Friday. I was
at the press conferences. Family came here and guys, let
me just make sure I preface and say this. I
don't know if I've seen another first round pick come
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in here with so much gratitude with their family, just
you know, the Cowboy fans. This this, this gentleman was
thoroughly happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I knew michaeh wanted to come here, we know that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
But just you could just see that they were just
overwhelmed with joy.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That was really fun to see.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Wait till twenty thirty when they called Hecma's name. Boy.
He talked about gratitude. We go bear crawl.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You're gonna be like Chris Chris was when Duce was drafted.
Tears man, we gonna.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Hate line to the field back here. You're talking about it.
You want to come work with dad? All of that?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You know, can you do it?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Man? It's uh, you know, I love that with especially
the bus ride when you show him get out to
play and then the bus ride over the guys see there,
see their faces on the digital screen. I mean, it's
it's obviously it has to be a dream come true
for them and Tyler guy, and he's someone that we got.
Well for me, I got an opportunity to see him
all year. But because oh your O you games and
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Brett Ventables was linebacker Kansas State, know him well, good
friend of mine. I just got a got an opportunity
to see this big fella. And now seeing thinking about
him next to Tyler, Tyler is Tyler. There's some big
guys on the left side of that offensive line that
I think, you know, you know, Cowboy fans should be excited.
I know there's some hesitation because of you know, him
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being being the left tackle, and obviously with with with
tyring uh now gone, and look, I think they have
to give this guy guiding is going to be a
pleasant surprise for a lot of people. His great feet,
long arms and everything that you need from your left tackle.
Is there going to be a learning curve? Heck yeah
there is because the speed is a lot different and
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you get a chance. But the thing is, you get
a chance to go up against Michael Parsons every day
and practicing guys like Tank Lawrence, so hey, the learning
curve will be quick for him. No, I love to pick.
I love the pick.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
You know, we talked about, you know, all the holes
that this team has going into this draft, and I
think they feel one, especially with this guy, Tyler Guttan
right now.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
A big dude.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I'm talking about six seven. This dude is massive.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
But what I like most about him is his basketball background.
So he has, like you said, those good feet, he's
athletic ability because he's gonna have to deal with a
lot of speed coming off of that edge.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So I love the pick.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right there, they got that offsive.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Line hopefully solidified, and we'll see it going forward. But
I love that first round pick. I mean, we needed it,
especially in the trenches on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I think that they'd do with the first round man
and he kind of touchdown pass from Andy Dalton. He's
a TCU.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So but.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
There it is, they doubling CD just go ahead hitting
hit him with a bullets So great. Great to meet
the Guyton family and to see just how excited they were.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
So right, who, when you look at this draft, was
your favorite pick of what the Cowboys did?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Got it? Sir? Okay? So I'm still trying to figure
out the round number three. That's the round three pick
from Notre Dame. But you please pronounce this name for me.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm not gonna sit up here and tell you I
got it, but I think.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Okay, So here's the deal, and this this guy.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Is Hooker's cousin, hook coolist cousin.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I like him already, all right, Jordan Brandal on the table,
coming fell. But as far as we knew what we needed,
we knew. And I'm just channeling my inner Danny McCrae
here because that was exactly what he was asking for.
Is a is a linebacker. And when you look at
a guy like him and what he can do as
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far as applying pressure from the blitz. We needed a
guy like that to also to be able to blitz
the passer, but also a guy that's good in space,
and what I saw from him in Notre Dame is
he's also good in space. And that's again that's with
the combination of what coach Zimmer is going to bring
to this defense and the weapons that he already has,
you needed a guy like that. I think last year
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you were looking at our linebackers and you saw that
was one of the major deficiencies, the way that they've
worked in past coverage and working in space. Where I
have questions about sometimes is you know how taking on blocks.
You know we saw and you don't want to see
these guys down down after down, take on guards and tackles,
but just see if he's that physical, let the line
of scrimmage. So you know, I really appreciate the pick.
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I think he's going to work well in this defense
and really want to see how he works in combines
with guys like Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
You know, I got to go with my mac representer
as well, west Or a Michigan guy right here, Marshall
and Eland. Yeah, and you know off the edge, they
say he's you know, twitch, he's he's fast off the edge,
can get out to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
He's a raw talent though.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
He's a raw talent though, and hopefully he can you know,
with guys like Parsons and Lawrence around him, they can
help perfect his game. But I think you're gonna definitely
need those depth pieces, especially with you know, Armstrong out
of here now, you got Fowler was going out of
here now. That pass rush was huge for dan Quinn
last year because he was able to just you know,
rotate those guys in and they were fresh. So this
year you're gonna add a little bit of depth there
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and hopefully if he's able to come along, well, then
you can get that that speed package where you can
kick the Marcus Lawrence on the inside, you can have
Parsons in him on the outside as well, and you
can get after the pass rusher that way. What I
have liked to see more of a big time space
eater in that in that pick right there to basically
solidify the interior part of our defense. Yes, but just
right here is to me is a good depth piece
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and hopefully he can come along and provide dividends for
this defensive line.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Cooper b b love it.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Okay, the offensive lineman out of Kansas State, and I
know a.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Lot of people and I had talked about Zach Fraser.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
From West Westginia, and I believe you checked the draft
guy there Bb was rated higher than Fraser. So I
made a phone call up to Kansas State this morning
and I was told, one of the best people on
the team going to be involved in your community events.
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They put him all around the offensive line when he
was there. Eight starts to right tackle in twenty twenty,
thirteen starts at left tackle in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Then they moved him inside and unanimous All American. It's
tough to do.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's tough to do, and to me, what's even more
impressive is he did it in the Big twelve because
there are a lot of people that when they're doing
these kinds of things, they put.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
More emphasis on the SEC and what's going on over there.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
So I think that and people just think, oh, it's
the Big twelves is passing league and all they do
was throw the ball here. So that he was also
a first team All American in twenty twenty two, the
Big Twelve Offensive Lineman of the Year twenty twenty two
and twenty twenty three, three times First Team All Big Twelve.
I look at that and I go back to when
Jimmy was drafting players, and also when Bill Parcels's around here.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Go get me some proven winners. Go get me some
people that are doing it at a high level.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Late Gil Brand used to say, Newie, if they're not
doing it there, they're not gonna come up here and
start doing it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So when I look at Cooper b b who they
talked about putting it center, it's got big arms, aren't
the longest, but you know what he can get in
there in the phone move mix it up with you.
I'm excited about that because I just truly believe they've
got to help maintain that middle. And so now I'm
thinking he's a bigger, thicker guy than be Honesh. So
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you have fun trying to figure out how you're gonna
get through bb Jack Martin Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's gonna be tough.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Okay, good luck, good luck right there?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Me tough.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So if you're trying to attack you, but we'll have
to go out to the cowboy tackles because that interior
line is gonna be be stout and then let me
have finish this. Then now your run game can be
a little bit better. Yeah, so you can get the
third and one third and two.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah. And the one thing that I particularly love about
BBI is he has some nasty to him. He has
some nasty to him. And they watched the highlights, and
you just watched this dude. He is finishing blocks and
that's the only thing. Like when I looked at Guidon
and a lot of not just him, a ton of
offensive linemen. I always have this critique they don't finish
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blocks and you know, latch on and to the gatorade buckets,
you know, or finish and it's I think it's the
r p O. It don't even get me stuck anyway.
But I just I like his level of nasty and
and I think you needed that. You need that with
the guys that you have, and man, that's a that's
a great depth and also just understanding from the Dallas
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Cowboys how you know sat not I don't want to
use the word satisfied, but where they feel like they
are already with the guys up front, with brock Hoffman
and those guys. So you know that's having him having
that piece, he's going to have to compete. He's got,
He's going to have competition definitely coming into slous Exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I look at.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Cooper Bebee as second round talent that ended up in
the third round. I just really, really am excited about
this young man because the Cowboys need somebody else to
fight in the phone booths.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
They got to and.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
They've won twelve games three years in a row, and
they struggled in the playoffs. They haven't been able to
just get out there and establish a run game. Other
teams have established it against them.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
But they have.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, and so to me, that's what I'm looking for here.
Get this middle solidified right here. Okay, start you know,
start there, then you go guide him. It's going to
be an interesting thing. So for me, and we talked
about this before, you need to get some people walk
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in here and.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Help you right away. Think about I'm not sure or.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Guiding just yet, but I'm anticipating if they can stay healthy.
BB and Giden are guys that are playing day one.
That's what you've needed to get out of this draft
for sure and help your offensive line.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Yeah, because they got this team, they have to be
able to punch people in the mouth, you know, instead
of you know, taking that first punch and saying, all right,
now we've got to retaliate. They got to be able
from day one, from jump one, be able to establish
this ground game, establish some type of dominance to where
they can go out there and punch these guys in
the mouth instead of you know, waiting around to get hit.
I mean, that's what happens in each of the last
maybe three playoff losses.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Green Bay came in here, punched them in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
San Francisco twice back to back, punched them in the mouth.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
They've got to get some nasty to them and hopefully
BB and all these other guys can go in there
and as a group in that offensive lineman and start
serving out some of you know, some beat down to
these other teams.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Then you saw that with against teams in your own division,
Philadelphia also they come in and they play nasty. They
are all over you picking up.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
As soon as you said it, my mind goes to
just okay, who are you facing you and you're trying
to win your division. We know Philadelphia is invested in
their defensive line. We know the Giants have some good
defensive line dan Quinn. We know dan Quinn who's background
is defensive line. He's going to be working in that area.
And they still have some players there too. So that's
the exciting thing. I think about Cooper bb being in
there along with Tyler Smith and Zach Martin is that
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they're going to make it hard. And if you can
keep that pocket clean, Dack, that people just can't run
up in there like that, that's going to help him.
And then said third one whatever, inside the five, you
got a chance.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Now my question if you guys were paying you guys,
of course you're playing paying attention to the two hundred
and forty fourth pick Justin Rodgers, the defensive tackle out
of Arburn six three, two hundred and forty six pounds.
Wait wait, yeah, seventh round pick seventh.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Don't don't even say that name. Don't don't go there,
don't go I.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Can't even now. I can't even see his name on
the show.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Come on out the man.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
But look, you have a guy. Obviously he has his
shortcomings as well as as a defensive tackle, but you
get a guy. I think that you were asking for
you wanted it, probably talent wise in in you know,
rounds one through four, but you end up getting some
of that answered in the seventh round when you're you know,
with your final pick with Justin Rodgers. I mean, I'm
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not asking him the rush a passer. I'm asking him
to be a space heater. I'm asking this guy to
take on blocks and coming out of the secc in
the way that he performed. I mean, look, it's maybe
not the most athletic guy. I don't need him to
be the most athletic guy. As a matter of fact,
I need him to gain twenty more pounds, be immovable.
You know. I need a sement a guy, A bucket
(29:57):
full of sement guy. That's what I need.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Okay, I thought you were gonna say, Jay Rats, I know, well,
Auburn seventh round pick.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You know what I hate that I didn't come up
with that.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
What because that is a lightning in the bottle type
of thing we met. We hardly ever see somebody become
a Pro Bowl defensive player, you know, stalwart in the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Like, I'm mad at myself. That's what I thought, you see,
I wasn't I thought you was talking about Mazzie. Don't
say Mozzie's name. I thought you was saying. That's exactly
what I thought you were saying. But no, And he
put that together seventh round pick as well arazing draft grades.
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Speaker 4 (33:24):
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Speaker 3 (33:41):
So Mitchell, there you go.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Congratulations to him. You want to do draft grades, So
all right, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Draft grade for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I'm gonna give it a solid bee, solid, give it
a solid bee, not a B minus, not to be BLUs,
but I'm gonna give a solid B. I think they
definitely filled the holes on the offensive line that they needed.
I think they got either a couple of Day one
starters or at the very worst, great depth pieces on
that offensive line to go ahead and protect your almost
you know, about to be sixty million dollars quarterback soon,
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so you got to be able to protect him up there.
The reason, you know, I didn't go any higher than
that because they didn't grab it back. Man, they didn't
grab it back. You got Ezekiel Ella. We talked about
that in the first segment. But to me, I thought
you could have got a great depth piece, you know,
fourth fifth round in there that could come in there
and and not saying he's going to be you know,
(34:35):
Ezekiel laed in twenty sixteen, but you know, he could
have made that room a lot better. And you know,
he had abundance of running backs in the draft to
choose from. You know, I figured they would go late
in the later rounds and grab them, but they did not.
But they did feel they need against it or in
the offensive line and on the defensive line as well.
So for me, I'll give him a solid B.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Look here when I when I I said it before,
I said offensive line first, defensive line second, and then
running back third. I thought that would be the order
in which we went on it once it got to
those third rounds and we didn't go that way, and
you solid running backs that had already dropped off the board.
Everyone after that would have would have been maybe a
reach considering you know, scheme, fit, size, all of those things.
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And so I don't know, particularly the secret hasn't come
out and if they went you know, BPA on the board,
but I felt like they addressed their needs. Person They
addressed their needs. They addressed the depth pieces that they needed,
even the you know, the depth at dB we hadn't
talked to, you know, they bought in some extra help
there as well. I just look, I'm going a minus.
(35:38):
And the reason I'm saying a minus is instead of
a plus is kind of for the same reason that
you didn't go out there and get You didn't get
the running back, but I felt like you were solid
in every other area. I felt like you were solid.
I felt like you got guys that are going to
be able that we hope, guys that are right off
the bus that could come and help you as yet
(35:59):
to be seen. But you know, when you talk, when
you listen to Will McClay talk about these about these
guys that they drafted, you realize that they obviously do
all of the due diligence and research on these guys,
and they know that they fit the scheme that they're
going to play next season. So look, I'm I always
and Will McClay I trust. Let me just say that,
all right, I trust. And you know you bring in
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a guy like d Run Bland and you're like, man,
run man. You know this guy, you know, small school,
We don't think that he can how can he compete
on this level? He just goes out and lead the
NFL and interceptions. So look, I think I always put
that in the back of my mind when I see
these guys that are from maybe a smaller school, the
wide receiver from a small school that's coming in. Big
kid ran a four to four. But I'm just saying,
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you know that, Will McClay, Stephen Jones. They did their
research on these guys, and so I felt like it was.
It was a solid draft, all right. Personally, I hate
giving it a grade.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I do, and I simply say this from the standpoint
some of these guys, I really have to dive in
more to okay, well and then love to know, give
me your.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Vision for these guys.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
And they talked a little bit about it at the
draft table.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
That's what they're going to do.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
It's like, sign everybody, what a great class of kids.
I didn't need to see some potential walk in starters
and some guys that can not walking in here like
you talk about a neel and somebody who can play
some special teams and work.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
I think they did a good.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Job when it came to taking some of these linebackers
and defenders. Because of the new special teams. I don't
think people talk about that enough. It's going to play
a very key part and how you build your football team.
And I don't think Cowboy fans really understand how bad
and bear the linebacker spot got that year.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
They had so many holes.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
So I give grace about the running back position because
I'm thinking to myself, so if I have to go
into free agency, where's a place where I can go
and say, you know what, may not be perfect, but
I can make this work.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, you knew what's the draft happened.
It's not just cal.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
A whole bunch of teams were just trying to find
some bargains here and there.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I can live with that.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I can live with that because the backs that I
liked they were gone, and as they were.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Like, take a Cooper rebe.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You can't take a running back. You needed this guy,
You needed a starting center. You passed on them in
round two, passed on in round one. Couldn't You had to.
You had to fix it. So I give them grace.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
There.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
You look at a guy like Neil and they're thinking
down the road, and you have to start to tank.
Lawrence is not going to be here forever. You're going
to have to start to think where do we go?
Sam Williams. You're hoping Sam Williams steps.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Into being more this year.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
So I understand the mentality of what they were trying
to do. So if I have to give you something,
I'd give it a bee. It has to be better
than last year.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Gotta be this.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
This group you're gonna play Jesus because as you dyed
for last year's sins of Dus, didn't get stuff done. Okay,
so we need you to come in here, be extraordinary,
great man.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
They got you gotta get done because last year, I
mean Wilma class track record. You know, you gotta trust
in him because he you know, he's he's amazing when
it comes to this. But last year, I mean who
stood out in the last year?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
We need to get some people that can come here
and help you right away because last year's class was
not good and you're looking at the I mean right now.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Okay, you think about last year.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Mazzie Smith, we don't know, we don't know. Luke Screonmaker,
he said I could be your number one tight end
because's Jake Ferguson's been people saying you got a block better.
So you got to see where his growth spurred. Is
your third round pick has never started the game or
played in the game before uh in over Street because
he got hurt uh junior f Oh, how does he
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fit your fourth round?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
How does he fit in this scheme? For Mike Zimmers.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Because that was a dan Quinn pick, like dan Quinn
had a vision for him. Does Mike had that same fission?
Things like that that we're trying to figure out and
find out from last year's class of guys. It's a
problem duce Vaughan, what is expected of duce Vaughn? And
your number two? He's in that running back room? So
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so what what do you what do you see?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
So that that for me, that's stuff that I look
at free agent wise, here a lot of Chris Bean
gave us a note here, just a lot of the
signings like Missouri running back Nathan Pete, Northwestern receiver Camp
Johnson's you know Corey Krumes wide received out of Minnesota,
Ala collar tight ends Central Florida. So a lot of
(40:50):
names here, names you don't necessarily know off the top
of the head. Lests you like a fan of the
team because it's from you know, South Dakota, you know
East Caroline in Nevada.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
So to me, I just look at it this way.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
We know there's going to be one or two guys
and make this football team off that undrafted list every year.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Terrence Steele's just there. Barry Church is another example.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
So the Cowboys are going to give you an opportunity
to make the football team, which I think is a
pretty cool thing because you know, it's just not just
a window dressing with a sign. They're really looking to
get people.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Opportunity and a great point. Man. I think my thoughts
of this weekend has been in that wide receiver room
also just trying to figure out who's going to be
the number two with with CD, who's going to emerge
from that room. Jalen Tober changed his number, the number one.
Did you see that?
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I did not. That's number one, changed the one, number one.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Number one? Now okay, number one? Yeah? So all right, yeah,
so I mean you still have Brandon Cooks. Jalen Tober
is now you're number three. I don't know if that's enough.
I don't I don't know if that's enough. CD CDs
And even with that, you know there's there's CD contract
still on the table. So much man on the horizon
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still unsettled for the Cowboys after the draft, and none
of those other issues have gone away. We still have it.
And I just feel like as as days go by, Cee,
these contract goes up and up and up as you see,
as you see some of these other guys get signed.
But you're gonna need a bona fide number two receiver.
Brandon Cooks, he didn't solidify that role. To me, I
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just felt like he was not a one trick pony,
but he was. He was a deep threat guy for
the Cowboys. You need more than that. And I don't
know Jayalen Tobert hasn't proven to me time and time
he can be consistent at that. So I want to
That's what I want to see, and that's why I'm
so excited about the summer and these OTAs and see
the way that guys are developing. But there's still some
(42:52):
pieces and some things that I want to see the
Cowboys address, whether whether it be in free agency or
a guy that's currently on the roster tech in the rings.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
They're still the team to be, Cowboys, still the still
the team to beat in the division.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Until further notice. Until further notice, I know we're gonna
make bets gonna be made. You already know BET's gonna
be made. I'll tell you I'm not vinding.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, I know, Jones, that's what the Cowboys are.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
We've never seen them have three seasons in a row
of twelve wins, I mean four four. They've had three.
To have four would be you know, that's that's a challenge.
I mean, that's that's when you're talking about the Brady
New England type teams. That's what you's about the Montana
forty nine ers type teams. And that's that's a challenge.
So so we'll see, you know, ten win may win
(43:44):
could because if everyone can't improve, they just start knocking
slobber knocking into that.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
But the regression to the mean because it's the league
is designed this way. The league is designed it. Okay,
along the way, we're gonna make your schedule hard. You're
gonna have to face tough for teams. They don't want
you to stay on top, which is why what you
see from Kansas City has been impressive. What you saw
out of Bill Belichick's run up there in New England.
It also helped these guys play the booty Division.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Hey it's nots, but you.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Still have to win it. You still have to win it.
And this is this division is not that. This is
a very competitive competitive division. So there's changes that have
happened all the teams here. So this is why we
talk about it, this is why we enjoy it. And
we'll see where it goes. The Cowboys have work, We'll
see how they keep putting it together.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Something some teams. There's some interesting things on Draft night,
man and and it was it always makes you say, wow,
I'm glad that's not us. You know, Atlanta, that was interesting.
That was very interesting what Atlanta did Minnesota with JJ
and I don't know JJ McCarthy gets a bad rap
from a lot of draft analysts, but what they did
(44:58):
at ten, I think everyone's like, 's what's that pick?
So it's gonna trading up, trading up, Yes, trading up
that somebody who's gonna.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
But they needed a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
They absolutely they needed Yes, they need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
So they needed a quarterback. To me, that that I
understood it.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Kevin mc Kevin O'Connell, and that's a fit to me,
I understood that. I was never a fan of Kirk
Cousin signing with Atlanta. He's never a fan of that
thirty six coming off and the killing yeah, you know
this guy walking up with ninety million. What were we
doing here? I never got that. So Pinnix to me
wasn't crazy. It's just crazy when you give a guy
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ninety million where you could have put resources and gone
a whole there in other ways, and you'll, by the way,
the same organization and put out a press release the
year before saying we're not pursuing Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
I don't get this. I don't get this collusion. And
all the people are like saying, oh, it's crazy. You
got kirkuse how.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Long do you have it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:56):
I am not sold on Kirk Cousins finishing this contract health.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, I'm just And that's the one thing that I
thought about when they took Pennix. I was like, man,
there's got to be something up with that, because maybe
there's something in the contract that they were saying, like look,
getting them in here signing whatever, but there's some fine
small writing that they'd be in there about that whole
Achilles injury. I don't know. I just thought that that
was different. And there were a ton of teams that
done that did things on draft night that I said
(46:21):
that that's interesting, you know, that's interesting, whether they got better.
You know. Hey, Jayden Daniels goes to the commanders. That'll
be interesting, that will be interested. I mean, I look
forward to running into him. Pause.
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But we have news today as we're here at the
Star that an old face is returning to the organization.
Ezekiel Elliott was slated to take a physical ten o'clock,
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I mean eight o'clock, excuse me. Ten back in the building.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Go your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Look, I'm gonna say it wasn't a you know, terrible
moving in my opinion. You know, I think he can
bring it. Come in here, and you know, Zeke, one
thing about that. You know he's gonna be able to
pass protect and you know he's gonna be able to
punch the ball in from the from the five yard end,
like he's gonna be able to be that guy that
can ground and poind we talked about.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It on the last episode.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
We need that back that's going to be able to
wear defenses down. Is he the same back that he
was years ago? Not at all, But.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I think what he can do can service this offense.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
He can pick up you know, blitzeres and pass protection
and he can knock it in from the five yard end.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So to me, I.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Didn't, you know, I thought it was a It was
a solid move.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You know, it wasn't a game changer, but it was
a solid move.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
We'll talk about the drafting a little bit, but yeah,
I think, you know, bringing Zeke.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Going a solid move BC. I could not be happier
there it is. I'm happy. I'm happy about this move.
Never should have left, is what I got to see
about it. I mean, look, new it got you choked
up because you get some more water. Because the thing
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is is that we talked about this long and hard
throughout the season, and I always said, I'm like, look,
this is a piece to what we do offensively that
the Cowboys are gonna miss. And maybe they made, you know,
Tony Poulter the upside with him, the speed portion, and
maybe be bringing in a guy like Rico daddo some
of those other guys, you would have been able to
mix and match them in. I think the thing that
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you missed most about Zeke last season was those tough
inside runs. You missed that. You missed that you were
just talking about five yards in in the red zone.
You missed that from Zeke. And it was so many
times over the course of the season that you were
saying seq with a score right there. Zeke would have
picked up that blitz. You know, all of those things,
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and like, man, it's sometimes you don't miss a good
thing until it's gone. And I think for him, I
can't wait to hear his interview, like what was his
experience outside of a building going in New England and
what's the feeling for him coming back. I think you
make it. For all the rumors and things that people
said about Zeke and off season stuff, I think that's
you're not gonna get that Zeke. Yeah. I think the
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guy that you get coming back in and the building
is going to be focused and let's keep it real.
He can help this team. He can help this team.
And so you add a piece that knows the offense,
that knows a portion of the offense already and the personnel. Look,
it's a perfect fit. And look, man, thank for the
organization to put egos aside and bring back a player
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that they know can help them.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Well, come on, well, so we don't have to rely
on the immortal.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Two thoughts, it's out.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
First thought is.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You could if he was if he'd accepted a large
your pay cut last year convening.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You and your agent thought that, you know, you were
worth more, and you found out quickly that that was
not the case.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So let's put that there. Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
The second portion of it is you look at the draft.
They didn't go get anybody, so now you're here. I
I conceived the mentality of it because they had so
many holes to feel. We knew there was going to
be a wholesome place. So the organization basically, okay, fine,
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look we we got another. We got another, so we
got we got something else. Not going to force anything.
I just don't know how much of a difference this
is going to make. I'm still the person who remembers
all the negativity as he at the end. You know this,
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it's not that it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Okay, do we forget that that's true?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
This is heck, you don't know if he was born
at the time. Tom Lander goes three and thirteen in
nineteen eighty eight. Everybody's man, everybody's mad. Games passing by well,
then Jerry buys a team in eighty nine and he
gets rid of him.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It's like, oh my gosh, what are we doing. He
can't do that. Wait a minute, you guys were all
saying it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It was done.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So it's a weird kind of deal. You were done
with Zeke makes too much money. Then he's gone. Now
we're missing him with Oh gosh, you can't get it
for the five yard line, bring him back. So I'm
just kind of sitting in the zone of, yeah, if
there's a place where he.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Can help, how he helps, We'll see how his.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Mentality comes back going to New England. You know, what
does he bring back here? I'll be interested.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I always like to say, let it play out. That's
where I'm here, Let it play out.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
What was this?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Due f Royce Freeman? How do they make this running
back room work? But uh yeah, Rico and Lepke do,
So what is it? I would say, as you look
all around the kind of the rooms they have, that's
one room. Right now, are you confident in the room?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Okay, are you confident the right and.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
In my confidence level it stems from do you have
the same caliber of a running back that the New
York Jets have. You just look around the NFL at
the guys that you say that, these are apex guys
in the NFL, and I don't look at Zeke at
this point in his career as that guy. You know
that it's gonna diminish as time goes on. It's a
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lot of miles, a lot of tread on those tires, right,
I believe My only belief is when I when I
looked at last season, there were games where Tony Poler
really didn't give you anything, uh in the ground game,
and you depended a lot on Dak to back up
and throw us out of situations. You needed somebody on
a third and four to be able to pick up
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a first down instead of relying on relying on Dak
to make that pass. It takes a lot of the
pressure off of him. That's all I'm saying. Now, if
it's a running back by committee and I'm talking about
three dudes that can actually get it done, then I'm okay.
With that, all right, I'm okay with three guys having
a culmination of sixteen hundred yards seventeen hundred yards between
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all three of them, I'll take it, all right, Lipkey,
give you three hundred break it up, all right? Give them.
You're like, I'm trying to go with your vision. I
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will go.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I'll go back to Isekia Ellie's previous head coach, Bill Belichick.
You played against him. He's run through a lot of
different guys through the years. Man Man won a Super
Bowl with Antwine Smith and Jr. Read Now it's running back.
So he did a mix and match and they figured
out what it is they wanted to do. And this
is where you go to Mike McCarthy, all right, you
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got this gumbo here, how do you make it work?
And so that's what I'm trying to figure out. But
if you are a Cowboy fan and you just go
through the years, this is an organization that's been used
to a Bell cow running back Dwayne Thomas in their
first Super Bowl win? Who should have won the MVP
that game? To Tony dor said to EMMITTT. Smith, to Ezekiel.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Elliott the Marco.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, so you're used to seeing a lead dog here,
this changing of the guard or how they're going to
do this. I like to see because right now, all
I can go by is what I know. And around
here when they've made it go, they've had one guy
and he's going to do it. So they're gonna go
a different way. Let's see how they have it a
different way.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, and then the committee, it can work. The running
back committee, it can work. We've seen cases of it.
The only thing that worries me about, you know, going
into this season, if they don't, if defenses don't respect
that run game, and we've seen it all before. They
don't respect that ring, they're gonna let all that coverage
in the back end make everything murky for Dak.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And he can that you know, get through the waters,
of course he can.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
But that's a lot of weight you're putting on your
quarterback when you don't have a run game to help,
you know, compliment that passing attack, and defenses is just
come to sit back and wait, because if they don't
respect that run game, it's gonna be hard to move
the ball through the air consistently for seventeen games.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Who's your starter? Day one?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
See right up right, off the bat. I don't see
any of these other guys beating Zeke out in the summer.
I don't. I don't see it. You know, you still
have one of those guys, that man, he still has
some swag about himself. I mean, and look that knew
his new England stent. It wasn't it wasn't great by
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a long shot, finished with like six hundred yards on
the ground. But still he show flashes. He show flashes,
and those flashes.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
We just came to hope you man was like that man.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
You see what he did the Pittsburgh You got some
ju left.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Kind of a game, a game, not a season game,
not a pro.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Bo, not about the game, game game we needed him
versus Green Bay, give me that game versus Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
A lot of a lot of games you had this.
So I'm just listening to your words, your words.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You know he's gonna gonna write that down in the
little book over there.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You understand how this is.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
We talked some hope that hoping.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You're hoping it can be what it was was hoping.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, is it?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
You think they're done adding into that room? You think
that's the room going into the season. No injury is
nothing that could be the room.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I don't know. I would have to think it. The
roster construction at the position like that is still still open.
But I mean, as we're just talking here.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It remains fluid.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
When the man left, No, there wasn't a big people
had there was there were certain folks who like this,
not what he's done.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Then you call him back.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
So now you're gone from his last year calling him
full back to now now you you're want to hope.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
If he can give you five fifty six. I you
think he could give you five fifty or six hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think, so let's go. Let's go six hundred three.
It was two hundred. We put this thing together. Man,
it's a piece of puzzle.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
In baseball. This is the equivalent of guy. He's not
a starter anymore. Hey, man, we're gonna bring out the bullpens.
He gives one to two. That's good. He's not that
horse that he used to be. No, so we have
to know that el is not the where.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
He used to be.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's a lot of a lot of carries, man, that's
a lot of carriers. Twenty and sixty five carries for
Ezekiel Ellis.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It's a lot, a lot, like you know, your your
body only has so many hits, and so how they
use him, how to utilize it.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's got This is.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Truly a committee. Now, this is truly a committee.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And you go back to those seasons, man, where he
had gutsy performances everybody like he's playing with a PCO
injury and all of that, and they never come back
to that, you know, they never come back to this
the way that he gutted out some of those had
some gutsy performances and still sty didn't you know, wasn't
inactive for any of those games. Like, my thing is
is that you need a guy like that in that room.
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You need a guy like that. And if they're not done,
I mean they I know, we're going to go into
the draft and what we didn't do. But in the draft,
there was obviously some thought processing that that we're going
to have to get a veteran at some point and
the ones that were left and the likely the likely
to them saying, look, this is a guy that we're
familiar with, and they just with that move.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
ESPN reporting it is a one year deal with a
maximum value of three million dollars or Ezekiel Elliott, which
is which Honestly, this is what was going to happen
in this market for guys like Elliott.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We saw Royce Freeman.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
There's there's not the big days of dollars, them being
paid big dollars, and the running back is that that's gone.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So it makes economic sense. So it is what it is.
Let's take our first break and dive into this draft.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I want to know the pick that you liked you
down the list. Let's say, you know what, here's a
guy that I think can help this team in twenty
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
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Speaker 4 (16:44):
We scruged Lor and Barry Church, so range Dan McCrae
with the night day off.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So we spent the first segment diving into Ezekiel Elliott. Yes,
coming back to the team.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Heck things come game one. Ezekiel Elliott is the starting
running for this team. The draft was just held here.
We saw first round pick Tyler Guidon Friday. I was
at the press conferences. Family came here and guys, let
me just make sure I preface and say this. I
don't know if I've seen another first round pick come
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in here with so much gratitude with their family, just
you know, the Cowboy fans. This this, this gentleman was
thoroughly happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I knew michaeh wanted to come here, we know that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
But just you could just see that they were just
overwhelmed with joy.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That was really fun to see.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Wait till twenty thirty when they called Hecma's name. Boy.
He talked about gratitude. We go bear crawl.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You're gonna be like Chris Chris was when Duce was drafted.
Tears man, we gonna.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Hate line to the field back here. You're talking about it.
You want to come work with dad? All of that?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You know, can you do it?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Man? It's uh, you know, I love that with especially
the bus ride when you show him get out to
play and then the bus ride over the guys see there,
see their faces on the digital screen. I mean, it's
it's obviously it has to be a dream come true
for them and Tyler guy, and he's someone that we got.
Well for me, I got an opportunity to see him
all year. But because oh your O you games and
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Brett Ventables was linebacker Kansas State, know him well, good
friend of mine. I just got a got an opportunity
to see this big fella. And now seeing thinking about
him next to Tyler, Tyler is Tyler. There's some big
guys on the left side of that offensive line that
I think, you know, you know, Cowboy fans should be excited.
I know there's some hesitation because of you know, him
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being being the left tackle, and obviously with with with
tyring uh now gone, and look, I think they have
to give this guy guiding is going to be a
pleasant surprise for a lot of people. His great feet,
long arms and everything that you need from your left tackle.
Is there going to be a learning curve? Heck yeah
there is because the speed is a lot different and
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you get a chance. But the thing is, you get
a chance to go up against Michael Parsons every day
and practicing guys like Tank Lawrence, so hey, the learning
curve will be quick for him. No, I love to pick.
I love the pick.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
You know, we talked about, you know, all the holes
that this team has going into this draft, and I
think they feel one, especially with this guy, Tyler Guttan
right now.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
A big dude.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I'm talking about six seven. This dude is massive.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
But what I like most about him is his basketball background.
So he has, like you said, those good feet, he's
athletic ability because he's gonna have to deal with a
lot of speed coming off of that edge.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So I love the pick.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right there, they got that offsive.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Line hopefully solidified, and we'll see it going forward. But
I love that first round pick. I mean, we needed it,
especially in the trenches on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I think that they'd do with the first round man
and he kind of touchdown pass from Andy Dalton. He's
a TCU.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So but.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
There it is, they doubling CD just go ahead hitting
hit him with a bullets So great. Great to meet
the Guyton family and to see just how excited they were.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
So right, who, when you look at this draft, was
your favorite pick of what the Cowboys did?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Got it? Sir? Okay? So I'm still trying to figure
out the round number three. That's the round three pick
from Notre Dame. But you please pronounce this name for me.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm not gonna sit up here and tell you I
got it, but I think.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Okay, So here's the deal, and this this guy.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Is Hooker's cousin, hook coolist cousin.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I like him already, all right, Jordan Brandal on the table,
coming fell. But as far as we knew what we needed,
we knew. And I'm just channeling my inner Danny McCrae
here because that was exactly what he was asking for.
Is a is a linebacker. And when you look at
a guy like him and what he can do as
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far as applying pressure from the blitz. We needed a
guy like that to also to be able to blitz
the passer, but also a guy that's good in space,
and what I saw from him in Notre Dame is
he's also good in space. And that's again that's with
the combination of what coach Zimmer is going to bring
to this defense and the weapons that he already has,
you needed a guy like that. I think last year
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you were looking at our linebackers and you saw that
was one of the major deficiencies, the way that they've
worked in past coverage and working in space. Where I
have questions about sometimes is you know how taking on blocks.
You know we saw and you don't want to see
these guys down down after down, take on guards and tackles,
but just see if he's that physical, let the line
of scrimmage. So you know, I really appreciate the pick.
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I think he's going to work well in this defense
and really want to see how he works in combines
with guys like Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
You know, I got to go with my mac representer
as well, west Or a Michigan guy right here, Marshall
and Eland. Yeah, and you know off the edge, they
say he's you know, twitch, he's he's fast off the edge,
can get out to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
He's a raw talent though.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
He's a raw talent though, and hopefully he can you know,
with guys like Parsons and Lawrence around him, they can
help perfect his game. But I think you're gonna definitely
need those depth pieces, especially with you know, Armstrong out
of here now, you got Fowler was going out of
here now. That pass rush was huge for dan Quinn
last year because he was able to just you know,
rotate those guys in and they were fresh. So this
year you're gonna add a little bit of depth there
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and hopefully if he's able to come along, well, then
you can get that that speed package where you can
kick the Marcus Lawrence on the inside, you can have
Parsons in him on the outside as well, and you
can get after the pass rusher that way. What I
have liked to see more of a big time space
eater in that in that pick right there to basically
solidify the interior part of our defense. Yes, but just
right here is to me is a good depth piece
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and hopefully he can come along and provide dividends for
this defensive line.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Cooper b b love it.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Okay, the offensive lineman out of Kansas State, and I
know a.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Lot of people and I had talked about Zach Fraser.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
From West Westginia, and I believe you checked the draft
guy there Bb was rated higher than Fraser. So I
made a phone call up to Kansas State this morning
and I was told, one of the best people on
the team going to be involved in your community events.
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They put him all around the offensive line when he
was there. Eight starts to right tackle in twenty twenty,
thirteen starts at left tackle in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Then they moved him inside and unanimous All American. It's
tough to do.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's tough to do, and to me, what's even more
impressive is he did it in the Big twelve because
there are a lot of people that when they're doing
these kinds of things, they put.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
More emphasis on the SEC and what's going on over there.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
So I think that and people just think, oh, it's
the Big twelves is passing league and all they do
was throw the ball here. So that he was also
a first team All American in twenty twenty two, the
Big Twelve Offensive Lineman of the Year twenty twenty two
and twenty twenty three, three times First Team All Big Twelve.
I look at that and I go back to when
Jimmy was drafting players, and also when Bill Parcels's around here.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Go get me some proven winners. Go get me some
people that are doing it at a high level.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Late Gil Brand used to say, Newie, if they're not
doing it there, they're not gonna come up here and
start doing it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So when I look at Cooper b b who they
talked about putting it center, it's got big arms, aren't
the longest, but you know what he can get in
there in the phone move mix it up with you.
I'm excited about that because I just truly believe they've
got to help maintain that middle. And so now I'm
thinking he's a bigger, thicker guy than be Honesh. So
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you have fun trying to figure out how you're gonna
get through bb Jack Martin Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's gonna be tough.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Okay, good luck, good luck right there?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Me tough.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So if you're trying to attack you, but we'll have
to go out to the cowboy tackles because that interior
line is gonna be be stout and then let me
have finish this. Then now your run game can be
a little bit better. Yeah, so you can get the
third and one third and two.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah. And the one thing that I particularly love about
BBI is he has some nasty to him. He has
some nasty to him. And they watched the highlights, and
you just watched this dude. He is finishing blocks and
that's the only thing. Like when I looked at Guidon
and a lot of not just him, a ton of
offensive linemen. I always have this critique they don't finish
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blocks and you know, latch on and to the gatorade buckets,
you know, or finish and it's I think it's the
r p O. It don't even get me stuck anyway.
But I just I like his level of nasty and
and I think you needed that. You need that with
the guys that you have, and man, that's a that's
a great depth and also just understanding from the Dallas
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Cowboys how you know sat not I don't want to
use the word satisfied, but where they feel like they
are already with the guys up front, with brock Hoffman
and those guys. So you know that's having him having
that piece, he's going to have to compete. He's got,
He's going to have competition definitely coming into slous Exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I look at.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Cooper Bebee as second round talent that ended up in
the third round. I just really, really am excited about
this young man because the Cowboys need somebody else to
fight in the phone booths.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
They got to and.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
They've won twelve games three years in a row, and
they struggled in the playoffs. They haven't been able to
just get out there and establish a run game. Other
teams have established it against them.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
But they have.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, and so to me, that's what I'm looking for here.
Get this middle solidified right here. Okay, start you know,
start there, then you go guide him. It's going to
be an interesting thing. So for me, and we talked
about this before, you need to get some people walk
(27:10):
in here and.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Help you right away. Think about I'm not sure or.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Guiding just yet, but I'm anticipating if they can stay healthy.
BB and Giden are guys that are playing day one.
That's what you've needed to get out of this draft
for sure and help your offensive line.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Yeah, because they got this team, they have to be
able to punch people in the mouth, you know, instead
of you know, taking that first punch and saying, all right,
now we've got to retaliate. They got to be able
from day one, from jump one, be able to establish
this ground game, establish some type of dominance to where
they can go out there and punch these guys in
the mouth instead of you know, waiting around to get hit.
I mean, that's what happens in each of the last
maybe three playoff losses.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Green Bay came in here, punched them in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
San Francisco twice back to back, punched them in the mouth.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
They've got to get some nasty to them and hopefully
BB and all these other guys can go in there
and as a group in that offensive lineman and start
serving out some of you know, some beat down to
these other teams.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Then you saw that with against teams in your own division,
Philadelphia also they come in and they play nasty. They
are all over you picking up.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
As soon as you said it, my mind goes to
just okay, who are you facing you and you're trying
to win your division. We know Philadelphia is invested in
their defensive line. We know the Giants have some good
defensive line dan Quinn. We know dan Quinn who's background
is defensive line. He's going to be working in that area.
And they still have some players there too. So that's
the exciting thing. I think about Cooper bb being in
there along with Tyler Smith and Zach Martin is that
(28:33):
they're going to make it hard. And if you can
keep that pocket clean, Dack, that people just can't run
up in there like that, that's going to help him.
And then said third one whatever, inside the five, you
got a chance.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Now my question if you guys were paying you guys,
of course you're playing paying attention to the two hundred
and forty fourth pick Justin Rodgers, the defensive tackle out
of Arburn six three, two hundred and forty six pounds.
Wait wait, yeah, seventh round pick seventh.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Don't don't even say that name. Don't don't go there,
don't go I.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Can't even now. I can't even see his name on
the show.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Come on out the man.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
But look, you have a guy. Obviously he has his
shortcomings as well as as a defensive tackle, but you
get a guy. I think that you were asking for
you wanted it, probably talent wise in in you know,
rounds one through four, but you end up getting some
of that answered in the seventh round when you're you know,
with your final pick with Justin Rodgers. I mean, I'm
(29:34):
not asking him the rush a passer. I'm asking him
to be a space heater. I'm asking this guy to
take on blocks and coming out of the secc in
the way that he performed. I mean, look, it's maybe
not the most athletic guy. I don't need him to
be the most athletic guy. As a matter of fact,
I need him to gain twenty more pounds, be immovable.
You know. I need a sement a guy, A bucket
(29:57):
full of sement guy. That's what I need.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Okay, I thought you were gonna say, Jay Rats, I know, well,
Auburn seventh round pick.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You know what I hate that I didn't come up
with that.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
What because that is a lightning in the bottle type
of thing we met. We hardly ever see somebody become
a Pro Bowl defensive player, you know, stalwart in the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Like, I'm mad at myself. That's what I thought, you see,
I wasn't I thought you was talking about Mazzie. Don't
say Mozzie's name. I thought you was saying. That's exactly
what I thought you were saying. But no, And he
put that together seventh round pick as well arazing draft grades.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
We'll do that when we come back right here on
the playoffs Cowboys dot Com Radio.
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Speaker 4 (33:24):
Heck Maharrison, appreciate you. Danny mc crazy out today. Barry
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Speaker 3 (33:41):
So Mitchell, there you go.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Congratulations to him. You want to do draft grades, So
all right, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Draft grade for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I'm gonna give it a solid bee, solid, give it
a solid bee, not a B minus, not to be BLUs,
but I'm gonna give a solid B. I think they
definitely filled the holes on the offensive line that they needed.
I think they got either a couple of Day one
starters or at the very worst, great depth pieces on
that offensive line to go ahead and protect your almost
you know, about to be sixty million dollars quarterback soon,
(34:15):
so you got to be able to protect him up there.
The reason, you know, I didn't go any higher than
that because they didn't grab it back. Man, they didn't
grab it back. You got Ezekiel Ella. We talked about
that in the first segment. But to me, I thought
you could have got a great depth piece, you know,
fourth fifth round in there that could come in there
and and not saying he's going to be you know,
(34:35):
Ezekiel laed in twenty sixteen, but you know, he could
have made that room a lot better. And you know,
he had abundance of running backs in the draft to
choose from. You know, I figured they would go late
in the later rounds and grab them, but they did not.
But they did feel they need against it or in
the offensive line and on the defensive line as well.
So for me, I'll give him a solid B.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Look here when I when I I said it before,
I said offensive line first, defensive line second, and then
running back third. I thought that would be the order
in which we went on it once it got to
those third rounds and we didn't go that way, and
you solid running backs that had already dropped off the board.
Everyone after that would have would have been maybe a
reach considering you know, scheme, fit, size, all of those things.
(35:14):
And so I don't know, particularly the secret hasn't come
out and if they went you know, BPA on the board,
but I felt like they addressed their needs. Person They
addressed their needs. They addressed the depth pieces that they needed,
even the you know, the depth at dB we hadn't
talked to, you know, they bought in some extra help
there as well. I just look, I'm going a minus.
(35:38):
And the reason I'm saying a minus is instead of
a plus is kind of for the same reason that
you didn't go out there and get You didn't get
the running back, but I felt like you were solid
in every other area. I felt like you were solid.
I felt like you got guys that are going to
be able that we hope, guys that are right off
the bus that could come and help you as yet
(35:59):
to be seen. But you know, when you talk, when
you listen to Will McClay talk about these about these
guys that they drafted, you realize that they obviously do
all of the due diligence and research on these guys,
and they know that they fit the scheme that they're
going to play next season. So look, I'm I always
and Will McClay I trust. Let me just say that,
all right, I trust. And you know you bring in
(36:20):
a guy like d Run Bland and you're like, man,
run man. You know this guy, you know, small school,
We don't think that he can how can he compete
on this level? He just goes out and lead the
NFL and interceptions. So look, I think I always put
that in the back of my mind when I see
these guys that are from maybe a smaller school, the
wide receiver from a small school that's coming in. Big
kid ran a four to four. But I'm just saying,
(36:41):
you know that, Will McClay, Stephen Jones. They did their
research on these guys, and so I felt like it was.
It was a solid draft, all right. Personally, I hate
giving it a grade.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I do, and I simply say this from the standpoint
some of these guys, I really have to dive in
more to okay, well and then love to know, give
me your.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Vision for these guys.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
And they talked a little bit about it at the
draft table.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
That's what they're going to do.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
It's like, sign everybody, what a great class of kids.
I didn't need to see some potential walk in starters
and some guys that can not walking in here like
you talk about a neel and somebody who can play
some special teams and work.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
I think they did a good.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Job when it came to taking some of these linebackers
and defenders. Because of the new special teams. I don't
think people talk about that enough. It's going to play
a very key part and how you build your football team.
And I don't think Cowboy fans really understand how bad
and bear the linebacker spot got that year.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
They had so many holes.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
So I give grace about the running back position because
I'm thinking to myself, so if I have to go
into free agency, where's a place where I can go
and say, you know what, may not be perfect, but
I can make this work.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, you knew what's the draft happened.
It's not just cal.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
A whole bunch of teams were just trying to find
some bargains here and there.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I can live with that.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I can live with that because the backs that I
liked they were gone, and as they were.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Like, take a Cooper rebe.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You can't take a running back. You needed this guy,
You needed a starting center. You passed on them in
round two, passed on in round one. Couldn't You had to.
You had to fix it. So I give them grace.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
There.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
You look at a guy like Neil and they're thinking
down the road, and you have to start to tank.
Lawrence is not going to be here forever. You're going
to have to start to think where do we go?
Sam Williams. You're hoping Sam Williams steps.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Into being more this year.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
So I understand the mentality of what they were trying
to do. So if I have to give you something,
I'd give it a bee. It has to be better
than last year.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Gotta be this.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
This group you're gonna play Jesus because as you dyed
for last year's sins of Dus, didn't get stuff done. Okay,
so we need you to come in here, be extraordinary,
great man.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
They got you gotta get done because last year, I
mean Wilma class track record. You know, you gotta trust
in him because he you know, he's he's amazing when
it comes to this. But last year, I mean who
stood out in the last year?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
We need to get some people that can come here
and help you right away because last year's class was
not good and you're looking at the I mean right now.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Okay, you think about last year.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Mazzie Smith, we don't know, we don't know. Luke Screonmaker,
he said I could be your number one tight end
because's Jake Ferguson's been people saying you got a block better.
So you got to see where his growth spurred. Is
your third round pick has never started the game or
played in the game before uh in over Street because
he got hurt uh junior f Oh, how does he
(40:01):
fit your fourth round?
Speaker 3 (40:02):
How does he fit in this scheme? For Mike Zimmers.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Because that was a dan Quinn pick, like dan Quinn
had a vision for him. Does Mike had that same fission?
Things like that that we're trying to figure out and
find out from last year's class of guys. It's a
problem duce Vaughan, what is expected of duce Vaughn? And
your number two? He's in that running back room? So
(40:26):
so what what do you what do you see?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
So that that for me, that's stuff that I look
at free agent wise, here a lot of Chris Bean
gave us a note here, just a lot of the
signings like Missouri running back Nathan Pete, Northwestern receiver Camp
Johnson's you know Corey Krumes wide received out of Minnesota,
Ala collar tight ends Central Florida. So a lot of
(40:50):
names here, names you don't necessarily know off the top
of the head. Lests you like a fan of the
team because it's from you know, South Dakota, you know
East Caroline in Nevada.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
So to me, I just look at it this way.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
We know there's going to be one or two guys
and make this football team off that undrafted list every year.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Terrence Steele's just there. Barry Church is another example.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
So the Cowboys are going to give you an opportunity
to make the football team, which I think is a
pretty cool thing because you know, it's just not just
a window dressing with a sign. They're really looking to
get people.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Opportunity and a great point. Man. I think my thoughts
of this weekend has been in that wide receiver room
also just trying to figure out who's going to be
the number two with with CD, who's going to emerge
from that room. Jalen Tober changed his number, the number one.
Did you see that?
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I did not. That's number one, changed the one, number one.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Number one? Now okay, number one? Yeah? So all right, yeah,
so I mean you still have Brandon Cooks. Jalen Tober
is now you're number three. I don't know if that's enough.
I don't I don't know if that's enough. CD CDs
And even with that, you know there's there's CD contract
still on the table. So much man on the horizon
(42:07):
still unsettled for the Cowboys after the draft, and none
of those other issues have gone away. We still have it.
And I just feel like as as days go by, Cee,
these contract goes up and up and up as you see,
as you see some of these other guys get signed.
But you're gonna need a bona fide number two receiver.
Brandon Cooks, he didn't solidify that role. To me, I
(42:31):
just felt like he was not a one trick pony,
but he was. He was a deep threat guy for
the Cowboys. You need more than that. And I don't
know Jayalen Tobert hasn't proven to me time and time
he can be consistent at that. So I want to
That's what I want to see, and that's why I'm
so excited about the summer and these OTAs and see
the way that guys are developing. But there's still some
(42:52):
pieces and some things that I want to see the
Cowboys address, whether whether it be in free agency or
a guy that's currently on the roster tech in the rings.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
They're still the team to be, Cowboys, still the still
the team to beat in the division.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Until further notice. Until further notice, I know we're gonna
make bets gonna be made. You already know BET's gonna
be made. I'll tell you I'm not vinding.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, I know, Jones, that's what the Cowboys are.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
We've never seen them have three seasons in a row
of twelve wins, I mean four four. They've had three.
To have four would be you know, that's that's a challenge.
I mean, that's that's when you're talking about the Brady
New England type teams. That's what you's about the Montana
forty nine ers type teams. And that's that's a challenge.
So so we'll see, you know, ten win may win
(43:44):
could because if everyone can't improve, they just start knocking
slobber knocking into that.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
But the regression to the mean because it's the league
is designed this way. The league is designed it. Okay,
along the way, we're gonna make your schedule hard. You're
gonna have to face tough for teams. They don't want
you to stay on top, which is why what you
see from Kansas City has been impressive. What you saw
out of Bill Belichick's run up there in New England.
It also helped these guys play the booty Division.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Hey it's nots, but you.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Still have to win it. You still have to win it.
And this is this division is not that. This is
a very competitive competitive division. So there's changes that have
happened all the teams here. So this is why we
talk about it, this is why we enjoy it. And
we'll see where it goes. The Cowboys have work, We'll
see how they keep putting it together.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Something some teams. There's some interesting things on Draft night,
man and and it was it always makes you say, wow,
I'm glad that's not us. You know, Atlanta, that was interesting.
That was very interesting what Atlanta did Minnesota with JJ
and I don't know JJ McCarthy gets a bad rap
from a lot of draft analysts, but what they did
(44:58):
at ten, I think everyone's like, 's what's that pick?
So it's gonna trading up, trading up, Yes, trading up
that somebody who's gonna.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
But they needed a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
They absolutely they needed Yes, they need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
So they needed a quarterback. To me, that that I
understood it.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Kevin mc Kevin O'Connell, and that's a fit to me,
I understood that. I was never a fan of Kirk
Cousin signing with Atlanta. He's never a fan of that
thirty six coming off and the killing yeah, you know
this guy walking up with ninety million. What were we
doing here? I never got that. So Pinnix to me
wasn't crazy. It's just crazy when you give a guy
(45:36):
ninety million where you could have put resources and gone
a whole there in other ways, and you'll, by the way,
the same organization and put out a press release the
year before saying we're not pursuing Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
I don't get this. I don't get this collusion. And
all the people are like saying, oh, it's crazy. You
got kirkuse how.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Long do you have it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:56):
I am not sold on Kirk Cousins finishing this contract health.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, I'm just And that's the one thing that I
thought about when they took Pennix. I was like, man,
there's got to be something up with that, because maybe
there's something in the contract that they were saying, like look,
getting them in here signing whatever, but there's some fine
small writing that they'd be in there about that whole
Achilles injury. I don't know. I just thought that that
was different. And there were a ton of teams that
done that did things on draft night that I said
(46:21):
that that's interesting, you know, that's interesting, whether they got better.
You know. Hey, Jayden Daniels goes to the commanders. That'll
be interesting, that will be interested. I mean, I look
forward to running into him. Pause.
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church Man, good to see well to see it. New
struts for Chris Bean, Jazz Josh has. Everybody who's a
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