Be Healed

True healing goes beyond physical remedies. In this episode, Walter and Shanea dive into the transformative journey of emotional and spiritual renewal, guided by personal experiences and the powerful scripture Matthew 11:28-30.

We explore how trauma affects identity, relationships, and intimacy, and why divine intervention is crucial for breaking generational cycles. Together, we unpack the difference between religious practices and a genuine relationship with God, emphasizing the Holy Spirit's role in guiding us to a focused, renewed life.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in
Faith, where together, weexplore the importance of having
a relationship with God and howthat will impact the
relationships you have withothers.
I'm your host, walter, and I'mjoined here by my lovely wife.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Shania.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back.
This is episode five.
Babe, what is the title of thisweek's episode?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
this week's episode is titled be healed entitled,
but we'll let that go or not,yeah, be healed or not?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I yeah, sure I guess.
So, be healed or not, okay, soI got the title, didn't I?
I did?
I was about to say how did wecome up with this week's title?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You asked and God told you healing right.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, in a dream.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh, in a dream.
What was the dream?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I can't get into all of the details, but we were
sitting on this sofa and we wasabout to actually go over the
episode, the next episode thatwe was going to record, and you
told me you're like OK, our nextepisode is going to be we'll be
discussing the importance ofhealing.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh, I said that in the dream.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
But the Holy Spirit was speaking through me to you,
in the dream.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's just making you feel so good inside right
now, don't it?
That's cool.
So that's how we came up withthe title.
This week is different, though,because we don't have a lot of
notes.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
At all.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
We did not.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
We don't know how long this is going to be, but,
interestingly, while the notesare good, one of the things that
God was dealing with me on isthe importance of kind of going
with the flow.
Yeah, having the scriptures hegive us.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
We talk about healing all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
We do.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
But we don't have any , like we don't have a lot of
scriptures.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
No, there's so many scriptures that you can dig into
that reference.
Healing Even anytime.
It kind of well.
First and foremost, before westart, let's pray.
You prayed last time, right.
I did.
Okay, I will pray.
Okay, father, god, as we comebefore you this evening, we

(02:34):
thank you that you are God andGod alone.
We thank you for your love,your mercy, your grace.
We thank you for your kindness,father, and we pray that your
perfect will will be carried out.
As we record this podcast, God,let it reach those that you've
called for it to reach.
Allow us to be led by yourSpirit.

(02:57):
Lord Jesus, we invite you inHoly Spirit.
Guide us.
Angels of the Lord, weacknowledge that you are with us
.
Let your perfect will becarried out even now, here on
earth, as it is in heaven.
It's in Jesus' name we pray,amen.
Amen.
All right, trying my best not tobe too long.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
You was on the cusp.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I was not.
Yeah, yeah, I wasn't, yeah,okay.
So when I was inquiring aboutthis, what God gave me was
Matthew 11, 28 through 30.
And I am not there, but I willget there right now.

(03:43):
Okay, I got it it okay, we'llgo ahead so matthew 28.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Matthew, chapter 11, verse 28 through 30.
Uh, then nlt version.
Then jesus said come to me, allof you who are wary and carry
heavy burdens, and I will giveyou rest.
Take, take my yoke upon you,let me teach you, because I am
humble and gentle at heart, andyou will find rest for your

(04:11):
souls, for my yoke is easy tobear and the burden I give you
is light.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, so, rest for your soul.
Okay, so, rest for your soul.

(04:42):
And when I was reading that andI was taking notes, what came
on the like?
I was thinking about it fromthe perspective, because
sometimes we don't understand.
We think of healing, but wethink of, like, physical healing
, yet we don't understand theimportance of emotional healing

(05:05):
and mental healing.
And so when Jesus was speakingverse 28, then Jesus said come
to me all of you who are wearyand carry heavy burdens.
What are heavy burdens, babe?
It's emotional.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, heavy burdens.
I mean, it's obviously notphysical, it's all your mental,
everything that you're carryingStress, heavy burdens stress.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And so he stated to us heavy burdens, and come to me
, all of you who are weary andcarry heavy burdens, and I will
give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, heavyburdens, and I will give you
rest.
Take my yoke upon you, let meteach you, because I am humble
and gentle at heart, and youwill find rest for your souls,
for my yoke is easy to bear andthe burden I give you is light.

(05:55):
So that stood out to me,because the teach you part right
bible consistently, uh, toucheson the importance of having
your heart, I mean your mind,renewed, the matters of your
heart.
And so what it was really kindof digging into the reality is

(06:18):
and we talked about this beforewhat's that?
what I heard something.
Never mind um.
The reality is this there arevery few people that fall into
the category of being versionsthat's never been in
relationships.
We've listened to interviewsand testimonies of different

(06:40):
people who were quote unquote,which is weird, but they were
dating as youngest in middleschool.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
But as you go through this process, you literally
begin to little by little dealwith heartbreaks.
You're connecting yourself toperson after person.
There is soul ties that'sinvolved.
Soul ties is not just linked tohaving sex.
We know that, jonathan andDavid, they had a soul tie.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, you can be tied to anything.
You can be tied to a person,you can be tied to a thing, you
can be tied to a place.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So all of these things are being built up
because we're never taught thatyou're not supposed to date.
So we go throughout life andit's so weird.
To me it is what it is.
But I don't believe the kids,shit.
That's weird.
When kids say that they have agirlfriend and stuff, I mean you
, a child, but you may feel like, okay, I really have really

(07:42):
have this girlfriend, I havethis boyfriend, I see them at
school.
Your parents might let y'all docertain things from time to
time and that begins theheartbreaks.
That begin the emotional toilthat like depending on where
each party is coming from.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, that's because we're not taught to refocus that
desire on an intimacy with God,because we desire intimacy and
that is what that is, and it's adesire for.
I mean, we have a naturaldesire to be with the opposite
sex, right, um?
But the thing that most peoplewant, and don't recognize what

(08:20):
it is that is attractingyourself to someone, is a need
for intimacy.
Yes, even as a young child, youneed intimacy, you need
closeness.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Which is good because God placed that in us.
But I think we adapt theworld's view of intimacy, which
is heavily centered around whatSex?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
So we think intimacy is sex.
When intimacy goes way beyondthat.
That is something that comesfrom that in the right
relationship at the right timewith the right person.
But that is not where intimacystarts.
Yeah.
That is, after intimacy isalready beginning.
It is an act that takes placefollowing intimacy being built

(09:07):
up with that person.
So I mean, this is random, butwhat would you say intimacy is?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Intimacy, I feel like is just a closeness or like a
knowing.
Like, yeah, it's like a close,it's a closeness, it's like a
that's the only thing I canthink of.
I don't know what the actualdefinition of intimacy is.

(09:33):
I looked it up for me, Intimacyis closeness close familiarity
or friendship closeness.
Ok, well, yeah, so that's whatit is.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
So it is literally, and we know, in the context of
relationships or in the contextof marriage, intimacy is
becoming one.
Intimacy is literally becomingone.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I know for you and I Me being in the skin.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
To God be the glory.
So that's something my wifesays all the time and we're just
going to leave it at that.
Um, that's something my wifesays all the time and we're just
going to leave it at that.
Huh, um, I, I know that withintimacy.

(10:20):
I think about us.
When we first met, um, itwasn't your outward appearance
that caught my attention and Ididn't.
I didn't understand it.
You are beautiful, you arebeautiful, you are beautiful.
But it wasn't that.
It was something deeper.
That was within to where how Itypically would approach
relationships that I should havenever been in the first place.
I did not approach this, Icould not.
I would always tell you like Idon't know what it is, it's just

(10:42):
something about you that Ican't put in my hands, when I've
never experienced this before Ithought you were lying no, but
I heard tim ross.
Um, he was talking about thelevel of intimacy he had with
his best, his, uh, best friend,or his brother, I don't know his
name.
You know what I'm talking about, though the white guy I don't

(11:02):
know his name either but he's,he's he's?

Speaker 2 (11:05):
he's you talking about the?
The?
He's a pastor.
The pastor yes, I don't knowwhat sweet personality.
I don't know what his name isvery sweet spirit very but if
you guys know his name, pleaseput it in the comments.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, but, and we may place it in there yeah, at some
points yeah but um, they were.
They were discussing theirrelationship they had with each
other and how people would thinkthat it's weird because they're
men and they have developedsuch a close level of intimacy
with each other.
But we know that that was alsoshared with David and Jonathan.

(11:39):
The Bible touched on therelationship they had with each
other and there was a closeness.
Baba touched about therelationship touched on the
relationship they had with eachother, and there was a closeness
, there was a level of intimacythat they shared, to the point
to where, even though,rightfully so.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Jonathan was set to be the next king.
He gave the throne to David, hegave his rights up to David and
even reading it, they were soclose.
If your mind wasn't in theright place, you would think
they would be partners.
Something else, yes when theyweren't they were not.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
They were just such a closeness a level of intimacy,
which is what god designed forit to be.
But the enemy tainted, taintedit.
So when it, when we discussintimacy, that's what it should
be.
That's what you was discussinghow we're looking for that
intimacy.
You can have that intimacy withyour parents.
You can have that intimacy withfriends.

(12:29):
You definitely should have thatintimacy within your marriage or
within the relationship God hascalled for you to be with that
person, but we lack that.
We don't have that intimacy.
So that starts there.
So it starts with us seekingout that intimacy.
That starts there.
So it starts with us seekingout that intimacy, but we have a

(12:49):
misconstrued outlook on howthat intimacy should look.
So we think I show you that Ilove you and I become closer to
you by having sex with you bygiving parts of myself to you
that I should not be giving up.
And you continue to pursue thisintimacy.
So you continue to get intorelationship after relationship

(13:13):
where you are consistentlygiving up parts of yourself.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, that feeds your flesh and not your spirit.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
But you are always in a situation where you're what?
As you give up parts ofyourself, you are losing that
parts of yourself and you'retaking on and that's what God
was dealing with me on you'relosing parts of yourself and
you're having other parts ofsomeone else, uh, interwoven
within your, your mental makeup,and so what God was saying to

(13:48):
me is actually and do I have thenotes here?
I know I took the notes down.
It did not update because itwas some good stuff that God
gave to me this morning.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Oh, so you didn't put it in the notes.
I thought I did.
I ain't nothing but the enemy,some good stuff that God gave to
me this morning.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Oh, so you didn't put it in the notes.
I thought I did.
I ain't nothing but the enemy.
Mm-hmm.
But thankfully I remembered it.
I don't know where I put that.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's not in your phone.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's not what I put down is not there Because you
read it this morning.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Is it not on OneNote?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Oh, you know what I did?
I put it in the episodecounterfeits.
Oh.
I put it in the episodecounterfeits.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Because I know you had your window open this
morning.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And I need to give that to you because I have some
good stuff here.
So this morning during prayerand that's where everything was,
during prayer, just to bringeveryone in on it as I was
sitting there and I was praying,god dealt with me and after

(14:55):
prayer I just sat there and Iquieted myself a little bit my
wife, I think he was doingsomething in the room but I
quieted myself a little bit.
And as I quiet myself, I beginto hear God speak and he touched
on what we were going to bediscussing and what he said to

(15:16):
me.
He said being healed correctlyis so important because the
different trauma we experiencebecome a part of our
subconscious mind.
It's literally become ingrainedwithin our identity and if
removed incorrectly or absent ofGod, it can be negatively
impactful Because in a way, welose a part of ourselves.

(15:39):
We lose a part of somethingthat was within us or with us
for years, if not decades.
This is why it's important thatwe go through the process of
healing properly, and away fromGod or apart from God, it's
impossible to go through thatproper healing process.
The Bible speaks of having ourmind renewed, that it is

(16:02):
literally a spiritual version,or what God was telling me is
that this is literally aspiritual version, or what God
was telling me is that this isliterally a spiritual version of
open heart surgery, and soremoving the old, tainted
versions of ourselves and havingthe correct version placed in
by God is key.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
So what typically happens when we go through
counseling and counseling isgood, but we do it when we do it
, void of God we are trying toremove those parts of ourself
that was illegitimately placedthere through trauma, hurt,
whatever the case may be as evenas far back as a child, but we

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don't replace it with anything.
So we have parts of ourselfthat are missing, but we don't
replace it with anything.
So we have parts of ourselvesthat are missing.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, the thing is is , while you were speaking, what
came back to me is when I wasgoing through my healing journey
after the last relationshipbefore we got together, and I
was just so hurt, just like withlife, just in general.
I was in a really, really,really bad place and I knew I

(17:09):
needed to go to god and I justdidn't know exactly how that
looked.
And I went to counselingfaithfully weekly, almost
sometimes two or three times aweek, depending on how my week
was going yeah I would go totherapy and I would have to
switch therapists.
I would have to go up a notchbecause, like it would, it would

(17:31):
be like, you know, just sittingand talking to someone.
But I'm like I need solutions.
So I need to go to apsychologist, I need a psyche, I
need a psychiatrist at thispoint, because no one's giving
me any information that I don'talready know myself because of
the field that I work in andbecause I read a lot and I read

(17:54):
a lot of emotional, intelligentbooks and psychology books and
stuff like that.
So I was very familiar witheverything that they were
telling me and I'm like, okay,well, I'm doing all these things
but it's not working.
And so I replaced my hurt withgoing to therapy and I would be
good that week.
But if I missed two weeks, threeweeks worth of therapy, I was

(18:16):
right back in that deep darkhole.
I started to just spiral.
I went to yoga.
I did yoga.
I'm like, and if I didn't go toyoga, if I missed class, I
would be feeling horrible.
You know, I would go to the spaevery Thursday.
Every Thursday I would go tothe spa and if I didn't go to

(18:39):
the spa, I was going to have ahorrible week.
If I didn't go to the spa, Iwas going to go crazy, I went
crazy, I was mad.
I was gonna have a horrible week, if I didn't go to the spa, I
was gonna go crazy.
I went crazy, I was mad, I wasangry, I was sad, I was feeling
all those emotions would justcome back and I would be
stressed and I was fillingmyself up with all these things
that the world tells you to do.
Hey, self-care, you know.

(19:00):
Take care of yourself, go Go,you know, get therapy.
Do meditation.
I was meditating, I wasjournaling, I was doing this
whole inner childhood work,shadow work I was doing.
I tried everything.
I tried everything and nothingworked.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
It was all temporary and the things that I were, that
I was doing, was replacing itwith things that were demonic,
you know, shall I say, or not,of god well, see, we we touched
on this and I think it'simportant further damaging
myself because it's it's copingmechanism, coping mechanisms,

(19:45):
excuse me, so the world teachesyou to come up with all of these
different coping mechanisms toassist you as you are going
through your healing processit's like I'm sorry, it's like
having um like diabetes andthey're giving you insulin.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
It doesn doesn't fix the problem.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Or it's literally a situation where they're teaching
you to place a bandaid on abullet wound.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
It does not.
Even if you wrap a bullet wound, it's still going to bleed out.
Eventually it's going to bleedout.
It requires surgery.
And so the surgery isapproaching it from a spiritual
perspective first, and so theydon't teach that, they teach you
.
Hey, you got to deal with this,naturally, but it's something

(20:31):
that started within the spiritfirst.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yes, so you have to attack it in the spirit and in
the natural.
Everything starts in the spiritand it manifests in the natural
.
Just like God when he createdthe earth it started in the
spirit and then it manifestsinto something that we live on
created the earth.
It started in the spirit andthen it manifests into something
that we live on now, calledearth.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
And we can do research on this.
Right, Anyone is listening tothis podcast.
You can research and you willsee that maybe what would we say
a hundred years ago or so wewere more spiritually inclined
inclined, and so they understoodthe things of the spirit

(21:09):
heavily so I mean prior to us,to this infrastructure that we
have now, where we just have tokeep going and going and going,
and this whole american dreamthat everyone is chasing.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Prior to work industrialization, we were out
doing nothing, farming being intune.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well technology, I believe, put us in a situation
where it caused us to rely lesson God, or even acknowledge that
God existed, and rely onourselves.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
In the Western world anyway, because we know the
other civilizations they'restill heavily spiritual.
They are very spiritual.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
And I would say even further the dangerous thing is,
when you look at all of thedifferent religions,
Christianity is, I believe itmay be others, but I know it's
one in particular that theyreally don't delve into things
of the spirit.
Christians are so scared ofthings of the spirit.
Yeah.
But everyone can agree that,for example, demons, or there's

(22:13):
quote, unquote, ghost, those aredemons.
We know it to be demons orfamiliar spirits.
Or you do have instances wherepeople can get trapped, if they
go before their time.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
You're going a little deep, I am, you're going a
little deep.
I am You're going a little deep.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
So you know we believe in quote unquote ghosts,
because everyone hasencountered that, but we know it
to be demons or something else.
But we struggle with angels, westruggle with other heavenly
beings, we struggle with God andwho God is.
We struggle with the spirit andhow the spirit impact the
natural.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, that's because a lot of people don't experience
angels.
They see more demons and ghoststhan they see angels or light,
and sometimes you mistake thatlight, like for me, anything
supernatural was God for me.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
And it's actually darkness and it was actually
darkness.
It's actually darkness.
I forgot what the scripture was,but it's talking about how, if
you mistaken, uh, light fordarkness, how deep that darkness
goes it goes really deep, soyeah, but it's interesting that
you stated that, because you youwere essentially saying that
you had all of these tools thatyou were trying to use to, um,

(23:20):
fix something that was inner,something that was more
spiritually based.
And it's also interesting thatyou were saying this because
this is digging into some stuff.
But I remember praying for youand as I was praying for you
distinctively in the oldapartment, I was deep in the
prayer and I think I told youabout this God took me and I

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could literally see you on yourbed crying uncontrollably, and I
could feel like the tears wererushing out.
The tears were rushing outuncontrollably, like, just like
a, a waterfall, and I could feelthe emotions, I could feel the
tears.
I could, I could hear you, Icould see you crying and you

(24:05):
thought I was crazy, cause Itold you I'm like I just I had
this vision of you, but it was areflection of what was going on
inside of you.
It was a reflection of whereyou were, that you was heavily
broken.
And so it was broken, heavilybroken, but the Bible tells us
what the God cares about, that.
That's the scripture that wecan touch on right now Psalms 38

(24:26):
and 18, which I think is sogood, and I am prayerfully this
blessed Psalms 34 and 18?
34 and 18.
I'm sorry, I say 38.
So, Psalms 34 and 18, right.
Psalms 34 and 18, nlt.
It says that Psalms 34 and 18NLT.
No-transcript Psalms 34 and 18,and you can read the entire

(24:57):
chapter for those who aren'tlistening.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I recommend reading all the Psalms.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yes, so Psalms 34 and 18 states this the Lord is
close to the brokenhearted.
He rescues those whose spiritsare crushed.
Yeah, that's good.
He rescues those whose spiritsare crushed.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
He did, he rescued me .

Speaker 1 (25:21):
So that's telling me two things.
It's possible for your spiritto be crushed.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, to be broken yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I think Blake touched on I was reading this book.
What's the name of that book?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
The Veil by Blake Healy.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Blake Healy.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Healy right.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
And he discussed an encounter that he had with some
people, a few people, when hewas at church and he was looking
within the spirit and he saidthey were coming and he saw cuts
all over them, cuts everywhere.
And that's a reflection ofpeople who's been through trauma
, who's been through hurt, who'sdealt with broken hearts.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
And that's the saying .
Like, when people say you'rebleeding on someone, where does
that even come from?
It literally means, spiritually, you are bleeding on someone.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Your spirit is broken .

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Your soul needs to be restored.
You're bleeding.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
And that's.
And so I think that and we candig deeper into this what God,
touching on that, what Godshowed me this morning was he
showed me I had this vision oflike I could see, like the DNA
makeup, Right.
And so, as I was looking at theDNA makeup, I saw it's so hard

(26:39):
to explain, but I saw like these, what would you call it, Like
the different lines or whatever.
You know this because you are anurse practitioner the
different lines within the DNA.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Like the matrix.
I guess, hold on.
So, I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
What he was showing me is that there was parts of
the DNA that was there thatdidn't match with the other
parts of the DNA.
It was there, it was thereillegally or it was placed there
illegitimately, and so what hestated to me as I was looking at
this he said the issue withhurt or trauma or traumatic
experiences, or even wordsspoken, is that it can become

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interwoven together within thefabric of our being, becoming a
very part of, or becoming a verypart of who we are.
And so and that's what I saw Isaw our dna, and within that
pattern of our dna, I saw thingsbeing woven in our dna that
shouldn't be there.

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And so what we're trying to dobecause we know it should not be
there we're trying to snatch itout, we're trying to remove it,
rightfully so, but it'simpossible for you to remove
outside of the power of God.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Exactly, exactly, god , exactly, exactly.
It's very.
It's not.
It's because we don't look atit as a um, as something.
We look at it as somethingnatural.
Um, just like we look at anger,or we look at um depression or
you know any of those things.
We look at it as being natural.
So we have to treat it naturally, but we aren't um, we don't we

(28:18):
don't't realize we're spirit,we're soul and we're flesh yes,
we are trying being, and so theworld doesn't teach you what is
in your soul, what's in yourspirit and what's in your flesh
and how it impacts, yeah, andhow to treat those things right.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
So well, you know, it's we.
We touched on this before rightand we'll continue, because I
don't want you to oh no, no, Ialready lost it okay, sorry so,
because I got.
We touched on this before.
I apologize, but it'll comeback um and if it does just
interrupt um what's taking place, because I'm about to lose my
train of thought too.

(28:55):
We are spirit, soul and fleshright body or body, spirit, soul
, flesh or body.
So what we've done is we're in asituation where we have our um
soul being led by our flesh, butwe don't realize that our

(29:22):
spirit is still there, and sothere are things that's taking
place within the spirit realm.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Go ahead well, your, your spirit, your flesh in your
or your body and your soul arein agreement, when it should be.
Your body and your spiritshould be in agreement, like
your spirit should be tellingyour body how to move, and that
that's going to affect your soulwhich is your subconscious mind

(29:51):
.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
And that's.
It's not the case.
But we don't realize that whenthings happen, when we deal with
trauma, when we deal with hurt,it impacts our spirit, because
the enemy is doing things in thespirit.
It's impacting our spirit, which, until we see it, and we see it
when it impacts our soul, butit's too late because, it's

(30:12):
already happened in the spirit,which is why we go back to what
having to have a relationshipwith God, so we can recognize
what's taking place in thespirit, so we can have our mind
renewed, so we can get back to apoint of being led by our
spirit to recognize what'staking place and how the spirit
should dictate the soul.

(30:33):
Right.
Because it's dangerous when youget to the point of having a
broken spirit or even a brokensoul and there's a lot of people
out here.
I was even at that point.
I think I got to a point at onepoint in my life and I'm like I
don't know who I am anymore.
Trauma from childhood on out towhere I just realized that in

(31:03):
each instance, it was pieceafter piece after piece after
piece of myself that was beingremoved from me.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, even my outward appearance didn't even match my
inward self Exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
And you had to get to a point and that's why I
believe relationship with God isso important I had to get to a
point of finding my identity inChrist and I believe when I got
to that point of finding myidentity in Christ, that's when
I began to be reformed.
The Bible talks about you beingclay and God is the potter and

(31:35):
him reshaping you into what itis you're supposed to be shaped
into, and this is the processthat many of us find ourselves
having to go through.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Or because he knew you, he created you, he knew you
before you were even born,psalms 139.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
He knows every hair on your head, but we don't go to
him.
No we try to do it outside.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
But we don't know him .
We don't know to go to him.
No, we try to do it outside,but we don't know to go to him
no.
Because, once again and wediscussed this before culture.
Culture don't teach us to go toGod.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
No, we operate in the world.
We do what the Romans do.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
We touched on this as well.
We are our own gods.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
We're taught to be our own gods because we live in
this world, and that's whatSatan teaches.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
For us to idolize things.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
This is why, once again, you got to be healed, and
it goes beyond counseling andso we know, outside of that, you
will bleed on people.
Unknowingly or knowingly, youwill bleed on people and it can

(32:50):
go all the way back to yourchildhood.
We see example after example,we hear testimony after
testimony.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
It goes all the way back in your bloodline, it goes
back in your bloodline.
It goes back in your bloodline.
So, in while I was gettingready and I was in the shower
and I was thinking about um, Idon't even remember what I was
thinking about, but I wasthinking, kind of thinking about
the podcast, but I wasn'treally thinking about the and

(33:15):
God was.
He showed me like he wastalking to me about cancer,
right, and you know, cancer is agenetic disposition.
It means that that can comethrough your DNA.
Through your DNA, as isalcoholism.

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There's a genetic marker thatpeople have that you'll be more
prone to being addicted toalcohol because you have this
genetic marker or you're more atrisk, I'm sorry, you're more at
risk for becoming an alcoholicbecause of a genetic marker.
Or you're more at risk forgetting breast cancer If you
have this genetic marker, oryou're more at risk for getting
breast cancer if you have thisgenetic marker.
You're more at risk for thistype of prostate cancer because

(34:05):
you have a genetic marker.
And we know that God can healcancer, right.
And so when you were talkingabout how we have this genetic
makeup and the trauma and and Iknow there's this book called
trauma stored in your body, it'strue, trauma is literally

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stored in your body or yourspirit, or whatever you want to
call it right, but it doesn'tteach you how to get rid of it,
not in a way that you should,which is god, because he created
you.
He created you right, but inthat creation, because even Adam
sinned.
We were born into sin.

(34:47):
We were born into our father'siniquities that have been passed
down from generation togeneration to generation.
It even started with Cain andAbel, right?
We see the different kingdomsevolving just because of the way
Cain handled situation or theway Abel handled certain

(35:08):
situations right, and so we haveall this immorality in the
world that's being passed down.
And we forget that we have to goall the way back to the
beginning.
All the way back to thebeginning.
Not your great, great, great,great great grandfather, it goes
back to Abraham.
It goes back to Abraham.
And so if trauma is stored inyour body, it becomes a part of

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you.
It literally becomes a part ofyour DNA.
And the trauma that yourparents went through it becomes
a part of you.
It literally becomes a part ofyour DNA.
And the trauma that yourparents went through it becomes
a genetic marker.
It becomes a yeah, a geneticmarker or a marker in the spirit
realm.
And if God can heal cancer,then he has to be the only one
to change your genetic.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
He can change your genetic makeup, right I mean
that's good, because it's itdigs back into uh does that make
sense, what I'm saying?
No, it does, because it becomesa part of you it's there.
It's something that's there thatshould not be there yeah, but
no one knows how to remove itright so they tell you hey, this

(36:19):
is, this is something thatthat's a part of your genetics,
but it should not be a part ofyour genetics.
But they're also saying,because this is a part of your,
uh, this is a marker.
So they're saying this, they'rekind of saying without saying
it, that this is something thatis a bloodline curse right,
because that marker should notbe there exactly and that, and
that was what I was seeing.
It was, it's almost likeinterestingly, when I saw the

(36:42):
vision, the lines that I wasseeing, it was like a brown line
.
It was brown and everythingelse was white, and so it was
just like letting us know thatthat's something that should not
be there.
So In that instance, it leadsyou back to the importance of
having a relationship with God.
That's the only way.

(37:03):
Counseling is good, but youknow, when we think of
counseling or therapy, I thinkthe best type of counseling and
therapy would be discipleship.
Yes.
That's the best, because yourmind do have to be renewed.
And deliverance, anddeliverance and deliverance, but
it starts with deliverance.
After you, we go throughsalvation and all of that stuff,

(37:26):
how it looks, because thatprobably would be the question
people repeat that people wouldhave.
You have to go to deliverance,yeah.
You have to go through healing,yes, and your mind has to be
renewed yes, and it can allhappen simultaneously.
But deliverance is the very,very first thing but the way
that looks could be differentfor different people.
Right, um, and more importantly, um, as you're going through

(37:49):
that process, it was something Iwanted to touch on.
You're going throughdeliverance, you're going
through healing, you're goingthrough having your mind renewed
and I lost my train of thoughtand that was going to be so good
.
These are the things that we'lljust continue.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Holy Spirit, we ask that you will bring my husband's
subconscious, because it wasright there.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
It was right there and that you would connect that
so I could gain that train ofthought.
But we was discussing how thislooks.
To go through healing, you haveto um.
After salvation it looksdifferently, but you go through
a process of being healed,delivered, and not in this, this
order, but you go through theprocess of being healed,

(38:33):
delivered.
Your mind has to be renewed inorder for you to really be able
to let go of all those thingsthat you're dealing with right
and that is only only, that'sonly by the power of the Holy
Spirit, and so I think we don'tdo that.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
No, and counseling is good right, it is.
But you need a counselor whohas the Holy Spirit, because if
they don't, then they won'treally know exactly what it is
that you need.
They'll just give you the sameinformation they gave the next
person.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
And it is possible.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
The person prior to.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
It is possible for you to be with some or go to
someone who has a relationshipwith God and they can hear
exactly what it is you need.
We call that a rhema word.
And so God can give them arhema word or a word that's
specific for you, whether it'sone particular word, whether
it's an entire statement whetherit's a particular scripture,

(39:31):
whatever it may be, that wouldbe specific for your situation
or speak specifically to yoursituation that you're going
through that you need.
And I think that's what we'remissing.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
And they don't necessarily have to be like a
prophet or super prophetic, butGod uses anyone.
So if you're seeking him andyou're going to a Christian or
counselor, they could give you arainbow word.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
They well, you, they.
If you're doing that, you haveto hear from God, which requires
what relationship with God?
You have to be able to hearfrom him.
There's no way around it.
And you can, because we go backto that scripture.
What, In the last days, I willpour out my spirit upon?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
all flesh.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
So you should be able to hear the voice of God.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
The church won't tell you that Everybody hears the
voice of God.
Let's get that correct.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
You should, everybody should.
Everybody has access.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Everybody has access to God.
Everybody hears God.
Everybody doesn't listen.
No, that's what I'm saying, orknow how he speaks all the time
but we don't listen or we don'tknow how to recognize his voice
because you think it's just somelarge voice that's going to
come out of somewhere.
But no, it's literally justlike an inner knowing or like a

(40:45):
light switch.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
What happens is your mind is cluttered with so much
stuff and you have to learn toquiet your mind, and I think
that's part of the issue that werun into in today's day and age
is that we have so manydistractions which could taint
us being able to hear from God.
Even with me hearing from Godearlier this morning, it

(41:06):
literally was in a space where Iwas quiet and I prayed and I
just sat there and know that Iam God.
Exactly so.
You have to sit and you have towait on him in order to hear,
but you have to remove all thedistractions.
So I went, you know, and itlooks different for different
people, but when I went throughmy conversion, after I had my

(41:28):
encounter with God, one of thethings that he did with me and
we know this he removed.
I didn't have a desire to lookat TV.
There was no desire to play mygame.
The only thing I was listeningto was worship music.
I was barely even listening tosermons.
I was reading a word, listeningto worship music and praying.
So he removed all distractions.

(41:48):
And then, of course, I wasfasting.
I dropped down significantly inweight because I was just
spending time with God.
It got to the point I remembertelling Joe Jojo, I'm like yo
listen.
Because he was like are youhungry?
I'm like I'm good, I haven'tate anything all day, but I've
been eating off the word of God.
So I was not hungry, but it'sin those spaces where you really

(42:09):
hear God, because alldistractions were removed.
And so as those distractionswere removed.
I was dreaming vividly, I washaving visions.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I was having encounters like never before,
because there was nothing elsebut me and God.
But we fill ourselves withdistractions so that we don't
have to think about the thingsor go through things.
That's why there's so manypeople in relationships that
have stayed together so longbecause they have distractions
Distracted.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
They're distracted, they're distracted.
And that's why, when COVID hit,it was like boom, it went crazy
.
They have distractions,distracted, they're distracted,
they're distracted, and thatthat and that's why, when covid
hit, it was like it went crazy,people, people was domestic
violence went up people wasdropping relationships like
flies it went up, some likeabuse, all those like it.
They were dropping jobs.

(42:55):
They were dropping peoplebecause they was dropping
everything and it's crazybecause when covid hit, that's
when I went through my ownexperience, when god just began
to speak to me.
Yeah, that's that's when ithappened for me.
So it's in those moments and II guess that digs into even when
you question how do I gothrough experiencing this you

(43:16):
got to remove distractions.
Now I would say the churchwould encourage you to, I would
encourage you not to.
I didn't fast just because Iwanted to.
I was able to fast the way Iwas fasting, or live a fasted
lifestyle, because it was underthe guidance and leading of God.
Outside of that, you could hurtyourself.
Technically speaking, the waythat I was fasting was unhealthy

(43:39):
, but because it's somethingthat is supernatural, it's not
if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, it's spiritual.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
It's spiritual.
So God sustained me as Idropped a significant amount of
weight as I was fasting.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I'm sure Jesus was extremely tiny.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
He fasted for 40 days and 40 nights.
I'm sure Jesus was extremelytiny.
He fasted for 40 days and 40nights.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I'm sure he was a tiny man, no water, no nothing.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
To the point the Bible said that at the end of
his fast what the angels cameand they ministered to him, they
took care of him because he wasstruggling.
So it's only through God,because even what the Bible says
, what after he received theHoly Spirit, he was led into the
wilderness to fast for 40 daysand 40 nights by the Holy Spirit
.

(44:28):
So that's why I would say to you, when you get to that point of
fasting, you have to be led bythe Holy Spirit and it's most
likely because he's trying toget something to you, or trying
to break something in you, ortrying to get you to birth
something for it that you wouldeven go through that process.
So healing, be healed.
Healing looks different fordifferent people, but we all
need it.
Yeah.

(44:50):
Because if you don't, it's soeasy for you to become a
predator.
Yeah, when you think of all ofthis stuff that people have
dealt with many cases when welook at statistics,
statistically speaking, thosewho carry out sexual abuse are

(45:16):
the at some point in time theythey dealt with it themselves or
something took place that wastraumatic to them.
They dealt with some type ofabuse that went unchecked, and
so healing is so important.
Even if we just get intosomething that's just, it

(45:38):
plagues our community, community, specifically cheating yeah
infidelity.
it literally comes from a placewhere you are dealing with
unresolved mess, unresolvedtrauma, you have insecurities,
you have all these things, whichplaces you in a situation where

(46:00):
you prey upon people or thosewho become the victims, because
you're so used to it.
You become a prey and stuffthat, if you are healed and
whole, you would immediatelybegin to recognize.
You're not able to recognizebecause that's all you know.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Right, you've been preyed on your entire life.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Conditioned for it All the way from a childhood
from your child as young as achild sometimes.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
So then you surround yourself with a bunch of
predators.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Let's get really deep into it.
And we got to be mindful,because it's YouTube.
There are and we talked aboutthis, there are women that
desire for certain.
They desire for things to berough.
Let's put it like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
They don't realize they desire to have rough.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (46:54):
S-E-X yes, what happened, which I'm being
mindful because of the children.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yes, what happened to lead you to that point?
That's why I always it's alwaysbeen interesting to me, even
before I gave my life to God.
I never understood strip clubsand stuff like that, because
I've always looked at it like,okay, what's going on?
You're not going to get me tobelieve that this is something
that a woman would choose, evenif she thinks she's choosing it.

(47:19):
There's something else morethat's going on.
You're not going to get me tobelieve that this is something
that a woman would choose, evenif she thinks she's choosing it.
There's something else morethat's always there, whether
it's abandonment issues orwhatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
But yeah, but you don't think about that because
people watch porn.
They don't think about thatwhen they look at our porn.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
That's true, but it's , but it's the reality of what
it is.
It starts somewhere.
It all starts somewhere.
It starts from a person that'sbroken.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Well, people, the women will say nothing's
happened to me.
I just want to do this becauseI want to and it's like no, but
you start having a conversationwith them, you don't?
You start having a conversationwith them.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
You don't.
You start having a conversationwith them and you will reach
somewhere in their childhood orin their life, or in something
where something took place.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
No, you were exposed to something that changed your
genetic makeup Spiritually.
Spiritually.
That put you in a place thatyou want people to look at your
naked body and pay you for itand these are just different
examples, people that we aretouching on really just nothing

(48:27):
against people who no, I'm notjudging them.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
No, I just want you.
I want you to.
I want people to be heel andhoe yeah I forgot um.
Tim ross talked about this hesaid strip clubs, all this stuff
would go out of business if menwould stop going yeah, they
would if they would stop goingto these places, if they would
stop subscribing to only fans ifthey would stop um looking at

(48:53):
all of that stuff stop beingpredators yesried men
specifically.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
That's not going to happen.
But it starts in what thespirit realm, because that's the
spirit of perversion, that'sthe spirit of lust Right which
started somewhere.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
But it links itself to you because of trauma at some
point in your life, which iswhy we come full circle.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
And it's important that we go through the process
of being healed.
Yeah, and I know for me, goingthrough the healing process,
there were things that happenedto me that I didn't even know
happened same I didn't evenremember that's what I was about
to say.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I was about to say that, as I'll begin to go
through that process, god beganto reveal things to me that I
did not realize.
It was their memories that was,uh, unlocked, that I had to go
through healing yeah, so therewere things that you know.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
He showed me and told me and told you and you told me
and I'm like that didn't happento me, and then I would have
like a vision or I would havelike a thought about what I
would.
I would always wonder why thatperson looked at me like that,
or I would always wonder whythat person did this or did that
, or why I was here or why I wasthere or why I felt this type

(50:04):
of way when I was with this typeof person.
But I never remember what theydid to me.
I don't remember any of mychildhood.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And that's so weird because-.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I disassociated myself.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
You got to also understand, as I was going
through the process of prayingfor you and God was revealing
these details to me.
I'm like huh of praying for youand God was revealing these
details to me.
I'm like huh, but as he wouldreveal the details and I was
going through the process ofpraying for you, it's hard to
explain and it's possiblespiritually, but I could feel
your pain and it's sointeresting because when God
speaks to you, you get that onyour chest and that's where it

(50:36):
was for me, I kid you not,that's where it would happen.
I would feel like a weight or atightness of my chest when.
I would have to carry your painand pray through that.
And so yeah, once again youdidn't know those things was
there, but it was moment aftermoment, situation after
situation that kept likereconfiguring your DNA to where

(51:02):
you became something that wasnot even you, that God didn't
create me to do.
Which is when we first met.
You remember, I told you itdon't make sense because what I
see does not match like who youare Like.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I'm talking to you.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
And it don't match.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
But it's not matching who I'm seeing on this
Instagram page.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Exactly that's what I was like.
Okay, that don't make sense,but it's because you got so lost
in the trauma that and you wastrying to pull that out of you.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I tried and I just could not.
You lost yourself.
I could not.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
And that's what trauma do.
That's what the enemy desire.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I knew who I wanted to be.
I knew what I, what I wanted tobe, who.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
I felt like I should have been but like I just
couldn't do it and it's sounfortunate because this is an
example for those out there whenyou find yourself in situations
where you are saying why am Iconsistently with the same
person, like in, just like alike the same type of person?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
the same type of person or different situations,
but same yeah, it's demonsthat's attracted to your trauma.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
It's demons that's in your dna and the only way to
fix that yeah, the only way tofix, that is, through
deliverance and healing.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
You're marked, so you're marked with all these
iniquities.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Oh, I forgot who said it.
She said it was a stench.
Was that Tiffany?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, it was Tiffany, not Montgomery.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Not Tiffany Montgomery, but Tiffany the
other.
Tiffany, is it Butler?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Buckler, buckler, buckler, her ministry is
Anointed Fire.
That's what it's called.
It's called anointed fire.
Was she the one?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
that said it, or was it the other young lady?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
There's been quite a few people that says that.
Even Dr Lovey said that there'ssomething in your blood that
marks you.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
That marks you.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
But that's why you have to be marked with the blood
of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
That's why, we form a covenant with him.
So that we are made new, thatwe are born again right, so that
all those bloodline curses canbe resolved through his blood,
only through his blood, andthat's good, because it's like
that.
For those of you all that'swondering, why am I consistently
in a situation where I am withthe same type of person?

(53:13):
Because I wonder that it'sbecause it's something in you
that's attracting those demons,those are spirits.
So those are spirits thatyou're seeing.
You just don't you see thenatural perspective of it.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, and you're like this person.
He don't sound like that.
He sound different today orthat don't really sound like him
.
Why he acting like that?
Or why she's acting like that.
That don't even make sense whatshe?
Just did, or what she just said, or you see a little twinkle in
her eye, you see a little voicechange.
That's not normal it's demons.
I will always say that,probably every episode.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
You're seeing people manifest You're seeing people
manifest.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, trust me, I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
You're seeing people manifest.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I didn't know what I was seeing, but I'm like dang,
you don't have, you're so cold,you're so evil.
There's this evilness Like evenyour eyes is dark, it's demons.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
And it could be levels of how and please, like I
cannot stress enoughspecifically for women Please
stay away from men like that.
They're very dangerous.
Men that don't haveself-control yes, Stay away from
men that don't haveself-control, that's very
dangerous.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Men that don't have self-control.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yes, stay away from men that don't have self-control
.
That's very dangerous.
It's very dangerous Becausewith me, I grew up in a church
and while I did things I wasn'tsupposed to do, there was still
like a hold because I was atleast taught self-control.
And so there's lines that Iwould never cross.
Now I also know that I had Godwith me and that assisted with
the self-control, but there waslines that I just I never could

(54:45):
cross no matter what, like Icould never cross those lines.
You couldn't even peer pressureme into crossing those lines,
because I had those lines thatwere there.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
And it's very dangerous specifically for men,
because there's some men outhere, there's a lot of men now,
who don't have lines, they don'thave no morals, they don't have
no value because they don'thave any self-control.
No, because they're so full ofevil, evilness and it's very
dangerous.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
It's please, please.
It's very dangerous, storyafter story after story.
Stay away, and this is why wedig, this is why we have, and
they have to be healed also.
Yeah, there's a reason whythey're that way but sometimes
you get so far removed from itwhere you aren't even willing to
listen to god no which is why Isay once again they're very

(55:33):
dangerous, they're verydangerous yeah and so, um, this
is why this podcast exists, thisis why we're doing what we're
doing, because we're trying toencourage you to really seek out
God first, and that's one ofthe things I wanted to touch on.
Please, I can't express enoughthe importance of being healed

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and whole and set free anddelivered before getting into a
relationship, so that you canmake sure you are where god has
called for you to be, becausethe enemy will mess you up.
The enemy will mess you up andmess your children up he will
mess your entire life.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
But the thing is, people don't really think that
they be messed up you do be youdo you do, you do be, you do be,
you be messed up because you'reout here trying to cope, you're
out here at the club, you'reout here drinking, you're
thinking it's normal, like youcan have a drink, you know it's
fine and you could be messed up.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I don't need to.
You could be messed up becausethat was me.
You could be messed up sittingat home on your sofa yeah,
looking at movies playing yourgame, but I still was struggling
with um sexual perversion likepornography, masturbation and
things like that.
So you, it's trying to do theright thing.
Yeah, because you're taught.
Okay, well, that's not as badas the other right, because I
can't out here.

(56:51):
Be out here in these messingwith all these different people,
messing with all these people.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So I'm just gonna stay at home and do what I do
but you're still exposingyourself to the spirit of
perversion.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yes.
So to the men and women outthere that does that instead,
because I know a lot of youexist, yes, it's no different,
it's no different you might aswell, just go out there and have
.
Don't do that, but it's nodifferent.
But it is, it's no different.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
You're still exposing yourself.
You're still exposing.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Neither is good.
Neither is good, neither isgood.
Both of you will get caught up.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
The only difference is with you doing it with
another person.
You take on all their issuesthat they have.
But you're doing it with justyourself.
You're still opening up doors,so whenever you do get with a
person, it's going to be very,very difficult.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
And that's the other thing, and maybe we'll touch on
that with something else.
People, they talk about yoursexual appetite.
Yeah.
You got to be healed from thattoo.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
So if you're at home and you're pleasing yourself
constantly, watching pornographywatching porn and you go and be
with someone that you reallylike or even what they'll only
satisfy you for a certain amountof time.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
And we're not encouraging this.
Listen, we're not encouraging,let's make it known, because we
encourage that you be with whoGod has called you to be with.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
In the context of marriage.
Sex.
But even still in that Evenstill in that Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Even still, if God's called you to be with someone,
you're still going to have thisappetite unless you are healed
and transformed, and it's nevergoing to be enough.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
But you got to realize that even your sexual
appetite or your sexual desiresare tainted and that has to be
removed.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, so even when we got together, god created us
for us to be removed.
Yeah, so, like, even when wegot together, we, we god created
us for for us to be together.
Right, but we all, we both haddifferent appetites because of
the, the exposure to experiencesthat we had.
So it's like you trying toplease me, I'm trying to please
you, and it's just like this.
This is not working well,interesting.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Well, yeah, when we first got together.
But when we came back.
Yes, god dealt with me on thatand it was so interesting
because the church will teachyou that it's fine it's like you
.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
You need to give in.
You need to do this even thoughyou don't want to.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
You need to do this even though you don't want to
and it's like no, god was saying, and it's it was so good.
He was basically stating to meuh, when he and I have the notes
somewhere because I need towork on a book but what he was
saying is that we mix pagan waysin with things that's meant to

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be intimate and pure.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
And the confinements of the way marriage the way God
created marriage.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
So we taint the marriage bed because, we bring
in these pagan ways.
That we used to have that weused to have, and so your mind
has to be renewed because youmay have looked at pornography
and seen a woman in a certainlight and now you're like, okay,
the responsibility of the womanor the man, you're just
supposed to please me, orwhatever it may be, when it's

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always was meant to be somethingthat was intimate.
And so, within all areas, wedon't realize our hurt, our
insecurities, our trauma isnegatively impacting every area
of our lives.
And our mind has to be renewedin every single area of our life

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, including the fact that manyof us, prior to marriage, had
sex outside of marriage, manywith multiple partners, and so
all of these things is stuffthat God has to now take out of
you and now teach you his waysso you don't go into the

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relationship God has called youto be in tainted, Because for
men specifically I know for afact, because God told me this
and this is for women tounderstand God would never have
a man come to you unprepared.
He would never have a man cometo you that he hasn't taken
through the process.
So if that man is coming to youand he has not been through

(01:01:07):
that process and he's saying Godsaid you're my wife, but
nothing about him has changed,he's not a reflection of him,
None of that.
That's a red flag.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah, because when we had first got together and we
had broken up for a time and onthat break, while you were
having your journey with god,and you came back and I'm like,
oh yeah, he's different.
You did.
Have you slept up one time?
Yeah, you, you got in yourflesh a little bit.
I did one time but I didrecognize that you were like a
completely different person.
Yeah, the way that you moveddifferent, the way that you
talked was different.

(01:01:37):
The way that you were like acompletely different person yeah
, the way that you moveddifferent, the way that you
talked was different, the waythat you handled me was
different and I was like okay,because it's a process, it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
It's a very uncomfortable process.
It's a very uncomfortableprocess and I was about to say
earlier, I, I it.
It would be so nice if peoplecould see, even for one day,
some of the stuff that we'veseen spiritually.
Absolutely it would.
It would be so nice if peoplecould see, even for one day,
some of the stuff that we'veseen spiritually Absolutely.
It would change your lifeforever, Even the spirit that's
linked to the spirit ofperversion like what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I saw it was so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
It was similar to like the Ring.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
The Ring, yeah, and you know all the horror movies,
scary movies.
They have this white lookingfigure of a childlike woman.
But she, her, she's full ofthis hair all over her face,
like you can't see her face.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
You can't see, I could not see her face.
It was just, uh, her head wasdown and all you saw was just
hair coming all the way down andI remember like it was I was
not afraid, but it was fear andum, her, her hands were on the
bed and I could not move.
And I remember trying to createa cross and I was trying to

(01:02:50):
call jesus and I couldn't.
And finally, when I came out ofit, I began to pray heavily and
that was the spirit ofperversion, and I saw her.
One at the time where I sawthat spirit, one at the time
when it walked by my bed, um,walking towards the what the
patio was, and it was the samething, just nothing but hair.

(01:03:11):
And so, um, if you could justsee the stuff that's kind of
connected to it, it kind ofwould kind of shift how you
approach life and realizing thisis serious.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
And a lot of people would think this is freaky, but
it's just like we put God in abox, Like he can't, and it's
just like Jesus walked on waterand we talked about all these
miracles and everything thathappened, Like Elijah was
speaking.
Fire will fall down from heavenand kill everybody Right.
Fall down from heaven and killeverybody, right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
But when we talk about it, like here in the real
world like on youtube.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
That's crazy.
They're like you lying.
That's not real.
That don't happen anymore andit's like the bible is still
living it talks about everythingthat is happening now and we're
gonna get ready to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
But here's we got to understand.
The bible is what the bible is,nothing more.
I say this all the time andit's not by my strength.
It's what god understand.
The Bible is what the Bible is,nothing more.
I say this all the time andit's not by my strength.
It's what God revealed.
The Bible is nothing more thandifferent men and women
encounters with God.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
The issue that we have those encounters, have not
stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
The issue we have is that we stopped encountering God
ourselves and many of us livethrough the encounters of the
different men and women in theBible Instead of using that as a
guideline of seeing how Godmoved in the heart of God and
saying, okay, I should encounterthis Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I should be able to have these same encounters as
Peter.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yeah, there should be a book of Shania there should
be a book of Walter.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
There is a book in the heavens.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
But I'm just saying like we stopped seeking out an
encounter with god for ourselvesbecause we became spoiled,
because we have the bible right,because we have the bible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
But the people in the bible did not have the but they
had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I mean, they had the torah, but not in the old
testament and you not in the oldtestament.
They didn't have it, they justencountered god.
Yeah, they encountered god andwe were talking about this last
night.
It's just like Not in the OldTestament.
They didn't have it, they justencountered God.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, they encountered God and we were
talking about this last night.
It's just like if I read abunch of Steve Jobs books, I
know about Steve Jobs.
I know about everything he'sdone.
I could do everything he did orhe's done before.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
But would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
better.
I mean, I'm limited to theamount of information I can get
by being his mentee, being upunderneath him, studying him,
knowing him.
He can teach me things thatthat book that he wrote wouldn't
be able to teach me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
So there's a difference between knowing the
God of the Bible and knowing God, and so now, when you know God
and you read the Bible, it hitsdifferently.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Yeah, it's like oh, I know why you wrote that.
I know why you put that inthere, because now he's speaking
to you directly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
And we can't stress this enough either the
importance of reading the Bibleunder the guidance and
leadership of the Holy Spirit.
Outside of that, you're justreading a book.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yeah.
You don't realize it's a lie,memorizing verses.
You're just reading a book.
Yeah, you don't memorize verses, you're just memorizing, you
just there's no power to it, youwill not encounter god and what
does that scripture say, babe?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
uh, second timothy you talking about first timothy
is it first timothy or is itsecond timothy, the scripture
being inspired by the spirit ofgod?
That, that's that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
No, the one um where it talks about how, um you can
read the scripture but notunderstand, because, because you
don't have, but they don'tunderstand the power.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Oh, you talking about it's?
It's not talking about thescripture, but it's talking
about those who have a form ofgodliness.
Yes, a form of godliness um,let me see, give me one second.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
That is and, and go ahead and continue while I find
this so you don't lose yourtrain of thought oh no, I just
wanted to read the scripturebecause it says you have this
form of godliness which is a lotof people would say a form of
godliness would be secondtimothy them just like reading
scripture, going to church anddoing all this.

(01:07:01):
But they don't know that thepat about the power that the
holy spirit provides so, andthis was um, I'll start with
verse one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
This is second timothy three um verse one.
You should know this, timothy,that in the last days, verse 1.
Unloving and unforgiving theywill slander others and have no
self-control.
They will be cruel and hatewhat is good.

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They will betray their friends,be reckless, be puffed up with
pride and love.
Pleasure rather than God.
They will act religious, butthey will reject the power that
can make them godly.
Stay away from people like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Right.
So acting religious meaninglike you go to church, you read
your Bible, you know yourscriptures, you know apologetics
, you know theology, you knowall these things, but you, you
can't use them to will, to, to,to encompass the presence of God

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or the power that the HolySpirit has.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
So here's the thing, and I believe it's so true.
Benny Hinn said this, but it'sso true and it applies, and I
see it in my own life, I see itin yours One of the greatest
ways to see and recognize that aperson has a relationship with
God is a changed life.
That a person has arelationship with God is a
changed life, but you canrecognize when that life is

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changed based upon them tryingversus based upon the power of
the.
Holy.
Spirit, the power of the HolySpirit active in your life, will
remove desires.
It will shift your wants andyour needs.
It will shift everything.
There will be a sense ofconviction there.
That's not from you just tryingto do good, but it's just a

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knowing and a conviction withinthat.
I can't explain it, because thechallenge with the church is
that we and I've used thisexample so many times so there's
two husbands, right, both buytheir wives flowers.
One buy flowers because it'ssomething they're supposed to do

(01:09:30):
.
The other buy flowers becausethey love their wife.
That's religion versusrelationship.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Religion is like tradition, culture.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
It's so hard to tell the difference between the two.
You have to have a spirit ofdiscernment to see that this
person has a relationship versusthis person having religion.
But now, when you start digginginto their life or you start
listening to them, you look attheir fruits, you look at their
fruits, you look at their fruits.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
What type of person are they?
What type of character are they?
Because there's plenty ofinternet pastors.
There's plenty of preachers,pastors, motivational speakers
that don't really have arelationship with God.
They have a form of God in this.
They have religion.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
But be careful, because I would say this Listen
to how they speak.
Mm-hmm, I but be carefulbecause I would say this Listen
to how they speak.
I, I, I I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I, I've done this, I've done this, I've done that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
I've did this, or the scriptures, the scriptures, the
scriptures the scriptures.
Not the key thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
The Holy Spirit led me here.
The Holy Spirit put on my heartto say blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
The key thing is this I used to be and I'll say this
I grew up in a church.
I used to be religious.
I read the scriptures.
I read five chapters in themorning, five chapters at night.
I did my declarations.
I spent about two hours in themorning time in scripture and in
prayer.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I spent two hours in the evening time in scriptures
and prayer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
religiously, I still struggled with sex.
I still struggled with all ofthose things.
I still partook in things thatI should not.
I even encountered andexperienced God and saw
miraculous things take place,but at most I was religious.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
But you still had people telling you that that was
normal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Exactly the difference that shifted is in
the change and the desires andall of those things that was
removed is relationship.
You have to have a relationshipwith God.
By having a relationship withGod is what creates that power,
and the greatest example ofGod's power is a changed life a

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changed heart or a changedsubconscious, a changed mind,
your mind being renewed.
Yeah.
That's the greatest power.
Yes, it's great to prophesy,it's great to heal the sick,
it's great to deliver people,it's great to see.
But the greatest power is beingfree from the spirit of suicide
, being free from the spirit ofperversion, being free from the
spirit of suicide, being freefrom the spirit of perversion,

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being free from the spirit oflust, being free from the spirit
of depression, recognizing whenthe enemy is at work, god being
able to tell you hey, this isgoing going and you need to pray
on this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Those are the greatest powers, especially
those who have children.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Yes, that's the greatest power, Because going
from a place of life for mepersonally where I was depressed
and on the brink of suicideyeah, and I went to counseling
and I tried to use the tools,yeah, and it didn't help no, the
only thing that set me free wasGod yeah, he delivered me and
that's what set me free from thespirit of suicide, the spirit

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of depression, the spirit ofoppression and when those
thoughts and things come back,because they will come back at
some point in time.
You know what it is, yourecognize it, you speak against
it and you know how to get ridof it Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
You don't go back to the therapist.
You don't go back to yoga orspa.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
And it's nothing wrong with going to a therapist.
But it shifts now because whatyou do, god becomes your source.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
God is the therapist.
God becomes your source.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
God is the therapist, god becomes your source.
And now, when you look attherapy, it's from a different
perspective.
You look at therapy from theperspective of like okay, I need
to.
It's my mind needs to berenewed, your mind has to be
renewed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
When we say therapy, we mean like discipleship.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Yes, Now, but we're not against therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
But understand that therapy is nothing more than
coping mechanisms and they willtell you themselves it's coping
mechanisms, but it's not meantto heal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
It's not going to heal you no, because they want
you to do work for yourself.
You go to therapy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
They will give you things for you to do which works
when you're going through it,until it don't, because it won't
the world teaches you to beyour own God.
Yes, and God teaches you torely on him, but I think that's
a great place to stop, becausewe've been going for about an
hour now.
Yeah, I don't know how to endthis.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
I mean Be healed.
So I guess, just letting themknow Like what would be the
first and this probably won't bethe first time or last time
we're talking about this well,everything we talk about it kind
of intertwines with the lastepisode and a previous episode
and we just not on purpose no,it just keeps going and going

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and going on purpose but beinghealed means the only way you
can truly be healed and changedis through the power of Jesus
Christ.
He will change your life.
And we can attest we've done allthe things that everyone else
is doing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
We're still doing it.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
do you?

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
mean Because you never arrive.
What do you mean?
As far as you, still youconsistently go.
Healing is stages.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
No, I'm not saying still going through healing.
I was saying that we've doneeverything that everyone is
still doing in the world rightnow.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, good to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
By coping, using coping mechanisms.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
We've used the coping mechanisms, we've done
everything that you can think of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Yeah, you did everything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
I just did counseling you drank, I did drink and I
smoked you, you masturbated Idid everything you did porn you
had sex yeah, I did everythingand it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
It did not work.
I was still miserable, I was.
And because and don't do that,because you will start seeing
things spiritually- for real.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
For real, no, seriously, and you will enter
into something illegally.
I did yes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
It was weird.
Now I know what was going onbefore.
I thought I was losing my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Because you were yes, literally.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
But by the grace of God he kept you, but God.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
But God kept you.
But yes, we've done everythingthat you could possibly do, even
with meditation.
Be careful, because you'resupposed to meditate on the word
of.
God.
So it's being in a space whereyou don't want to empty your
mind.
You want to give your mindsomething to ponder on, you want
to give yourself the word, youwant to feed yourself the word.

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You don't want to emptyyourself out because you don't
know.
There are things that you can'tsee that will speak to you and
you think that is God because itfeels supernatural, and it's
not God because you're notmeditating on the word of God.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
No, or you don't know God.
Yeah.
And so you got to be realcareful and, especially as
Christians or believers, youhave to learn God, and that
comes through relationship.
Yeah, and God desires to have arelationship with you.
God should have, you shouldhave a relationship with God.

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You should know your father'svoice, you should know your
shepherd's voice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
But it takes spending time.
You should know your shepherd'svoice, but it takes spending
time.
And so, being healed from allthe trauma and dealing with
stress and the stresses of theworld, you have to let go of all
distractions and put your focuson God.
The one who created you so thatyou can find out the blueprint
for your life, because you can'tfind a blueprint for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Outside of him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Outside of God.
You can't.
You can go to a psychic, youcan go to whoever you want to go
to it ain't gonna work.
It's not gonna work.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Trust me, I've done it unfortunately, and you set up
illegal contracts.
But we are be healed um.
I think we went over how thatlook and I believe we'll uh
we'll dig on it some more ify'all got questions of course it
looks different for people, butit's always the same end goal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
It's the same end goal, which is God.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Yes, so thank you for tuning in this week.
We definitely appreciate you.
Hopefully this episode has beena blessing to you and we will
see you next week.
Bye.
All right, bye.