Godly Relationships: Part Two

What does it truly mean to be a godly wife? In this profound continuation of their series on godly relationships, Walter and Shanea unpack the sacred role of women in marriage with remarkable spiritual insight and practical wisdom.

The episode opens with a powerful revelation about the spiritual significance of a woman's womb. "Do you know how important it is for women to be in a place for God to use them to create images of Him?" Shanea shares this divine message that highlights how a woman's reproductive power can birth either "a nation rooted in sin or a nation after God's own heart." Through the biblical story of Abraham and Sarah, we see how decisions made outside God's timing can create generational consequences.

The conversation dives deep into Genesis 3:16, revealing how the fallen relationship dynamic between men and women emerged after sin entered the world - not as God's original design, but as a consequence of the Fall. Walter and Shanea masterfully contrast this with Ephesians 5:22-24, showing God's redemptive plan where submission isn't about inferiority but "voluntarily loving unconditionally and empowering one another."

Their examination of Proverbs 31 reveals something rarely discussed: that a virtuous wife can only be truly appreciated by a man of noble, godly character. "Why would you commit to someone who is not noble?" Shanea challenges, likening it to "giving the keys of a Rolls Royce to someone who doesn't know how to maintain it."

Perhaps most compelling is their discussion of spiritual leadership in marriage. When men lack spiritual maturity, they often compensate by becoming controlling in other areas. The solution? Both partners must submit to Christ and return to God's original design in Genesis 1:26-28, where man and woman were called to "govern together" as equal partners.

Whether you're single, dating, or married, this episode offers transformative insights on aligning relationships with God's divine blueprint. Subscribe now and join us next week as we continue exploring faith's impact on every aspect of life.

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Episode Transcript

WALTER (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith,
where, together, we explore theimportance of having a
relationship with God and howthat relationship with God can
impact the relationship you havewith others.
I'm your host, walter, and I'mjoined here alongside my lovely
wife.
Shanea.
This is episode 17.

SHANEA (00:19):
17.

WALTER (00:22):
Let's see Did I pray last week or did you pray?

SHANEA (00:25):
I prayed.

WALTER (00:27):
Okay, well, welcome back everyone to another episode.
The way that we like to beginthis off is in prayer, so I will
pray, since my wife prayed lastweek.
Father God, as we come beforeyou this evening, we thank you
for your love, your mercy andyour grace.
We thank you that, even in themidst of everything going on,

(00:47):
that you are still greater andthat there is none that is
greater than you.
We submit and we surrenderourselves to you, placing our
trust and our reliance in you,and we ask that your perfect
will be carried out in our liveslike never before.
Will be carried out in ourlives like never before.
We welcome your spirit intothis home.
We ask that you would take fullcontrol of this podcast.

(01:10):
Allow your glory to beexperienced, god.
Allow your presence to beexperienced.
We surrender and submit this toyou even now.
We thank you, we worship andmagnify your name.
Lord Jesus, we welcome you, wesubmit to you.
Holy Spirit, have your way.

(01:31):
In Jesus' name, we pray Amen.
Amen.
So this is episode 17.
What is the name of this week'sepisode, babe?

SHANEA (01:45):
Well, is it episode 17, or is it just like a part two of
episode 16?
No, it's episode 17.
You tried, I wanted to give usanother episode.
Huh, no, you did.

WALTER (01:57):
This is episode 17.

SHANEA (01:59):
Episode 17, godly Relationships part two.

WALTER (02:10):
Godly Relationships relationships part two.
Godly relationships part two.
So brief overview.
Last week we started on uh.
We discussed the importance ofgodly relationships.
We touched on marriage being aninstitution that was designed
by god yeah uh, we touched onthe misconception of marriage
from the culture and peoplethinking it was all about sex.
We touched on the role ofindividuals before they get

(02:34):
married and we spent some timediscussing the role of a husband
in marriages, because theyalways talk about Proverbs 31,
but they never discuss Ephesians5.

SHANEA (02:48):
Ephesians, 5, man.

WALTER (02:56):
Yes, we rarely hear it in church, and so last week was
all about Ephesians 5.
So this week we are, aspromised, delving into what it
means to be a godly wife.

SHANEA (03:10):
A godly wife.

WALTER (03:12):
And full disclaimer.
I don't think it's somethingthat I should be discussing.
I will be chiming in.
I will be chiming in, but I'vealways had a pet peeve when we
hear men tell women how to bewives.
Yeah.

(03:33):
And a lot of times what ends uphappening is you hear a man
telling a woman what he desiresin that wife instead of who God
has called her to be yeah, thatwife instead of who God has
called her to be, and no onebetter.
I don't think there's anyonebetter to talk about what it
means to be a godly wife otherthan a woman that has a
relationship with God and has arevelation on what that means

(03:58):
and is actually a wife.
So I can give an overview of itbased on scripture, but I
believe that, based on yourpersonal walk with god, you can
provide better insight into anunderstanding of what it means
to be that okay so I'm notdisagreeing with you.

SHANEA (04:21):
I think it's weird when women and it's not, it's
something that I used to dobecause, I don't know, it was
just culture, I guess you alwayshad men talking about how a man
should treat a woman, but howthe woman is supposed to respond
, or how the man responds to thetreatment the woman gives, or

(04:45):
how you're supposed to act as awife, or what men need.
These are five things that menneed in a relationship to keep
him happy.
Yeah, these are seven things awoman should do, and it's always
centered around In a marriage.

WALTER (05:00):
It's this idea.
We've heard quite a few things.
There's this misconception ofit, men feeling as if they have
the ability to control women,and so they tell women you need
to learn to be submissive so.
I can control you.
We have this misconception ofthem stating that the only thing
that the woman can provide issex, not even intimacy.

(05:25):
Sex, yeah, cook for me.

SHANEA (05:28):
Yeah, you gotta be butt booty naked.

WALTER (05:30):
Yeah, cook for me.
Be clean, clean your house.

SHANEA (05:34):
Cooking me some chicken.

WALTER (05:36):
Move out the way when I'm watching TV.

SHANEA (05:38):
Don't bother me.
That's all I need Be simple.

WALTER (05:40):
And when I go out, don't ask me where I'm at.

SHANEA (05:42):
Yo, that was crazy.

WALTER (05:43):
I saw that video, and so these are some of the things
that men ask for women.

SHANEA (05:51):
I'm your leader.
I'm like what are we on theSyfy channel?

WALTER (05:55):
Yes.

SHANEA (05:56):
Are we aliens?

WALTER (05:58):
Slaves.
We touched on it before.

SHANEA (06:00):
It's this desire to dictate, be dictators in a
relationship but, I yield to you, babe, where we starting it
tonight, tonight, okay well, I'mgoing to start off on what the
lord spoke to me about, um,basically a message that he
wanted to give to the ladies, um.

(06:21):
So I'm going to start therebecause I don't want to get too
deep and not say that I forgetwhat the Lord has said, but I
think it's important that wespeak about what he wants me to
say.

WALTER (06:36):
Okay, you're going to have to be mindful of that
earpiece, because you are.
You'll be putting the cameraout of focus.

SHANEA (06:42):
This one.

WALTER (06:43):
Yeah, make sure you're not putting it on there.
It's falling.

SHANEA (06:47):
Okay, is the other one in?
Yes, and, but this one, thisone is.
Well, I'll try.
Okay, and not touch it.
I know it was a little out offocus last time.

WALTER (06:58):
Yeah, I don't remember what I was doing it'd be the
same with me if you adjust.

SHANEA (07:03):
That's why I try to keep this hand down yeah, but it's
hard because my glasses kind ofkeep falling off too yeah, we're
gonna do it together.
Um.
So you know, when I, um, we hadour, I already had like some
stuff to talk about last week,um, for the ladies.
But then you know, as we weregetting ready to leave, what was

(07:27):
that saturday, we were gettingready to go out saturday, yeah,
and it was 12, 22 and um, Iasked the lord what he wanted to
say, because god speaks to mein numbers.
I don't know if any othernumbers girls or guys out there,
just ask the lord lord, why amI seeing these synchronicities?
He don't speaks to me innumbers.
I don't know if any othernumbers girls or guys out there,
just ask the Lord, lord, why amI seeing these synchronicities?

WALTER (07:49):
He don't speak to me in numbers, so I don't be knowing
what my wife be talking aboutwhen she be going through that
process.

SHANEA (07:54):
But yes, God can speak to you in numbers.
So if you see synchronicitieslike 222-1111, it's something
the Lord want to say and you'llfigure out how he speaks to you.
You just have to ask.

WALTER (08:04):
Remember that hand.

SHANEA (08:06):
Oh yeah, sorry.
Okay.
So I was like Lord what do youwant?
What do you want to say to meright now?

(08:30):
And he said there's somemessage I want you to speak on
tomorrow when you record whichis today.

WALTER (08:33):
No, that was yesterday.
Or was it yesterday?
It was two days ago.
No, oh, he gave you somethingelse Sunday.

SHANEA (08:38):
It was yesterday.
Okay, go ahead Anyway.
So I'll read what he said.
And what I heard the HolySpirit say is and this is kind
of long, so bear with me he wasspeaking to me- for a minute.

WALTER (08:57):
Let's dive right in then .

SHANEA (08:58):
Yes.
Do you know how important it isfor women to be in a place for
God to use them to create imagesof him?
It's so important we procreatewith.
It's so important who weprocreate with, because we can
birth a nation rooted in sin ora nation after God's own heart.

(09:20):
The most important decision anywoman makes is who to procreate
with.
We are one of God's mostbeautiful creations.
He said that.
He said you women are God's, isGod's.

WALTER (09:36):
Don't look at me when you say that I'm not a woman,
I'm a man.

SHANEA (09:39):
Most beautiful creations .
I thought I saw a littlejealousy over there.

WALTER (09:44):
Nah, I'm chilling.
No, he over there.
Nah, I'm chilling.

SHANEA (09:46):
No, he says that.

WALTER (09:48):
Man, we good too Go ahead.

SHANEA (09:51):
It's very important that this message gets out.
I was like, okay, he said, totell them I love them, I adore
them, my daughters of heaventhem.

(10:16):
I adore them, my daughters ofheaven.
Your womb crushes the heads ofdragons, serpents, rulers and
principal, and Jesus is the way,the truth and the life.
Truth is in the womb.
Life is in the womb.
The way to life is through thewomb.
What is birth in the spirit?

(10:40):
Is birth in the natural?
What are you birthing?
Giving life to?
Light or darkness, death orlife?
This concludes this message.
Is what he said.
This concludes this message.
I was like okay, and then,after that, I had this

(11:02):
revelation that I've had before,like when I was in a shower and
I wrote it down it's in theshower written on the shower
wall.
But I had this revelation inreference to Abraham and Sarah,
and what I got was if the enemycan get to your womb, he'll
birth a bloodline rooted indarkness.

(11:23):
And there was this thought thatwas placed in Sarah right To
contrary to what God had alreadypromised Abraham about them
having a child.
There was a thought.
There was a thought that wasinfluenced, and so she decided

(11:44):
to prematurely have a child, notthrough her womb but through
the womb of hagar.
So prematurely abraham had achild with hagar, and hagar
literally birthed a bloodlinerooted in paganism and and
birthed Babylon.

(12:06):
All through Ishmael, his lineageconsisted of continuous wars
with the children of Israel yeahWith God's kingdom, and I mean
it God's kingdom, and I mean itdivided a nation.

WALTER (12:27):
To add to Abraham, though Abraham didn't seek out
additional guidance from God.

SHANEA (12:34):
No, he didn't.

WALTER (12:34):
So, even when Sarah presented the idea, he didn't
know enough to say no.
And yet Abraham still was indisobedience because he still
wanted God to bless.
And yet Abraham still was indisobedience because he still
wanted God to bless and he wasstill trying to say that Ishmael
would be the seed that Godwould bless.
And God had to make him aware.
And now it comes through Sarah.

SHANEA (12:51):
But there's that struggle.

WALTER (13:00):
But as you were saying that and this goes into women,
what my wife was just discussingGenesis 20 verse, let's see one
through.
Verse six, right, and it saysabraham moves out south to the

(13:21):
nagiv and lived for a whilebetween Kadesh and Shur, and
then he moved on to Gerar.
While living there as aforeigner, Abraham introduced
his wife Sarah by saying she ismy sister.
So King Ablamech or Ablamech ifwe're butchering these names,
please forgive us of Gerar sentfor Sarah and had her brought to

(13:46):
him at his palace.
But that night God came toAblamech in a dream and told him
you are a dead man, for thewoman you have taken is already
married.
But Ablamech had not slept withher yet.
So he said Lord, will youdestroy an innocent nation?
Didn't Abraham tell me she ismy sister?
And she herself said yes, he ismy brother.

(14:08):
I acted in complete innocence.
My hands are clean.
In the dream, god responded yes, I know you are innocent.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's why I kept you from sinning against me and why
I did not let you touch her.

WALTER (14:23):
Now, return the woman to her husband and he will pray
for you, for he is a prophet.
Then you will live.
But if you don't return her tohim, you can be sure that you
and all of your people will die.
That part is so important and Idon't know if I'm touching into

(14:44):
your subject or your notes.
Am I digging into your notes?

SHANEA (14:48):
No, you're good, Go ahead.

WALTER (14:50):
That part is so important because it provides
proof of what you're saying theimportance of the womb.
Sarah's womb was so importantbecause she didn't have a child
as of yet.

SHANEA (14:59):
Exactly, and.

WALTER (15:00):
God didn't want anything coming in between the promise
that he had for Isaac, becauseJesus came by way of who he was
tied to Isaac and so theinteresting thing and this is
not giving men the right of wayto do the stuff that they're
doing but we didn't see God sayany of these things when it came

(15:21):
to Abraham, any of these thingswhen it came to abraham yeah,
abraham stepped out and had anaffair with hagar, yet with
sarah, because of who sarah isand what's tied to sarah and the
importance of sarah's womb, godwould not let anyone touch that
womb no, because he literallybirthed jesus through that womb
yet the problem is that we findourself in king if we know this

(15:45):
and I don't believe this kingwas a Christian, but the king
could hear from God.
Yeah, so part of the issue thatwomen run into with your womb
you can't hear God speaking oryou don't yield to the Holy
Spirit or to.
God, when God is trying toforewarn you not to have a child
with particular people.
Yes.
Not to allow that it goes, noteven just having a child.

(16:09):
Don't allow anyone to even putany sperm inside you.

SHANEA (16:13):
Yeah.

WALTER (16:13):
Even if you take we talked about the medication and
you've taken a medication tostop the birth from taking place
the morning after pill, yeah,abortion.
These are still covenants thatyou are allowing yourself to
come into alignment with,demonic covenants, with men who
are wicked men, who are demonicmen, and we talked about what,
and hopefully I'm not steppingon your no you're good, babe,

(16:36):
this is good we talk about howyou end up defiling your womb
yeah, you defile your womb bywho you allow in your holiest of
holies.

SHANEA (16:49):
This is a place where you birth forth life.
You birth forth, either ageneration rooted in sin or a
generation rooted in holinessand righteousness, bearing
children in the image of god,where god said in the beginning
you were to be fruitful andmultiply.

(17:09):
God created us in his image andyou're supposed to multiply his
image.
So it's like you don't evenhave rights to your womb.
So, because you don't even haverights to your womb, who are
you to say, hey, you know what?
God, I'm gonna let this man inhere, I'm gonna procreate with

(17:31):
this man or I'm gonna give himthe opportunity to defile my
womb yeah, but they're going tosay that's not scriptural what
you're saying To defilesomeone's womb.

WALTER (17:49):
Where's the scripture at ?
To prove that, you know, I hadto be the person to say that.
That's what they would say.

SHANEA (17:57):
So I would say you found a scripture for that.
Oh, you found a scripture forit.
You were looking through mynotes.

WALTER (18:08):
Oh, you already got it in there.

SHANEA (18:09):
No, I'm just saying you had got a little revelation over
there.

WALTER (18:12):
No, we talked about this earlier and I was looking.

SHANEA (18:14):
Oh, okay, Because somebody might say hey, this is
not scripturally based.
Mm-hmm.
Catch this by the spirit, okay.

WALTER (18:28):
I'm looking for it right now it was here before because
the scripture talks about sothere's leviticus no, but even
you, 18 and 20, and it says thatand this is I believe this is
new king james version you shallnot lie carnally with your
neighbor's wife to defileyourself with her.

SHANEA (18:44):
So but even if you go.

WALTER (18:50):
What is that, ephesians?
That's Leviticus.
What are you talking about?
What you're about to talk?

SHANEA (18:53):
about, yeah, where Paul talks about sexual immorality.
You are defiling your own body,you're committing sin against
your own body.
This goes for men and women.
So the women have a womb men,don't't so.
If you're defiling your body,if you're committing sin against
your body, you're committingsin in your womb.

WALTER (19:13):
You birth life through a womb mm-hmm, and the scripture
I'm thinking about isDeuteronomy 23, verse 2.
It's right here.
This is NLT.
It says so.

(19:42):
This is letting us know thatyou can become defiled by birth
based on being in disobedience.
Now we have the new covenant.

SHANEA (19:49):
Right, that's what I was about to say.
That's why we have the newcovenant, we have the new
covenant.

WALTER (19:54):
However, it's a process and you know there's challenges
that, unfortunately, women don'teven realize that they end up
going through as they go frombeing under an illegal covenant
covenant or illegitimatecovenants unto under the, into
getting into the rightfulcovenant with god by way of the
power of the holy spirit.
Yeah, and jesus christ, theblood of jesus christ actually

(20:16):
because that creates that newcovenant.
But a lot of times women don'teven go through the process of
renouncing those said covenantsand committing themselves to
that new covenant no because thewoman of god just talked about
early that we was listening towith emily um emma emma, sorry,
prophet emma.

(20:36):
Uh, the importance of having arelationship with god.
But go ahead, babe, I'm notgoing to step on you no, no, you
good, you good, babe, you good.
No, it's important so where arewe going now?

SHANEA (20:50):
so we're gonna start at the beginning, um where it all
started where the strugglestarted um between man and woman
gen.
Genesis.
Genesis 3.16.
Says to the woman he said Iwill surely multiply your pain

(21:12):
and childbearing In pain.
You shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contraryto your husband, but he shall
rule over you.
So here we see that there's astruggle right, for power and

(21:34):
control, and we see this in theworld.
But this is not how Goddesigned us.
It's not how God designed womento be.
Women try and try to controltheir husbands and husbands
shouldn't try to control theirwives, right, and so your desire
to be contrary to your husbandin hebrew, um desire, this

(21:57):
particular um desire is tashukwa.

WALTER (22:00):
Yeah, I was about to let you pronounce that Tshukwa.

SHANEA (22:04):
Tshukwa.

WALTER (22:04):
Okay.

SHANEA (22:06):
It implies a desire to dominate or control, and he
shall rule over you.
And rule in this particularverse means Michelle.

WALTER (22:18):
Michelle.

SHANEA (22:20):
It suggests governance, but this represents a fallen
dynamic, not god's originaldesign.
And I want to go back to whereum it says your desire shall be
contrary to your husband.
Your desire, meaning in yourtashukwa desire, means uh to

(22:41):
control, your desire to controlor dominate your husband.
It's the same verbiage that Godused when he talks to Cain,
where he says sin is crouchingat your door.

WALTER (22:56):
Or knocking at your door .

SHANEA (22:59):
Sin is knocking at your door and that sin desires you.
It means control.
In that sense sin desires tocontrol you.
He wants to control you and hedid you know me?

WALTER (23:16):
yeah, he did he did, he did he did so.

SHANEA (23:20):
So we see in 3.16, God's original design is for unity.

WALTER (23:28):
Yes.

SHANEA (23:28):
But because they sinned.
There's now an imbalance in therelationship where the woman
desires to be the head and theman is going to rule over her.

WALTER (23:41):
He's going to try and control her, Not in love, but
out of dominance so dictatingright which is a reflection of
the culture now, because youhave um women now who desire
this.
Not speaking against anyonewhich is calling it what it is,
you have women that strugglewith the desire to be in control

(24:03):
yeah, and.
And you have men who resistthat, so they become even more
controlling.
Mm-hmm.
And so it's become the norm,because of this being something
that's been going on forcenturies.
Mm-hmm.
So it now has become a part ofthe culture, even within the
body of Christ, mm-hmm a part ofthe culture, even within the

(24:23):
body of Christ.

SHANEA (24:24):
And so I know men they like to use and we don't talk
about the Ephesians 5, man, butthey like to use the scripture
wives Ephesians 5, 22, 24.
Submit Wives, submit to yourhusbands, but they forget the
rest of the scripture.

WALTER (24:44):
What's the rest of the scripture, babe?
What we talked about last week?

SHANEA (24:47):
Ephesians 5, 22-24.
Wives submit to your ownhusbands as to the Lord, For the
husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of
the church.
His body is himself its savior.
Now, as the church submits toChrist, so also wives should

(25:07):
submit in everything to theirhusbands.
This is God's redemptive planfor marriage.

WALTER (25:13):
So what's the key thing there?
It starts out with what thehusband's submitting to Christ.
Mm-hmm.

SHANEA (25:22):
As Christ submits, well, as the church submits to Christ
.
Mm-hmm or Christ.
I mean as the church submits toChrist, or Christ I mean the
men should love their wives asChrist loves the church.

WALTER (25:31):
As Christ loves the church, Yet it also.
You have to submit yourself toChrist, but also as such we
talked about this last weekChrist also became what you
would be, what you, what youwould consider.
Excuse me, Tong Tai, a masterservant.

SHANEA (25:52):
Yes, we talked on that last week.
He was a servant.

WALTER (25:58):
He serves.

SHANEA (25:59):
Yeah, he was served.

WALTER (26:01):
He serves.

SHANEA (26:02):
He was humble.

WALTER (26:03):
He was full of humility, but I won't take you back.
Continue, babe, because you'retouching on some good stuff.

SHANEA (26:09):
No, you're good, you're good, you're good, it's just um.
So here we see paul talkingabout god's redemptive plan.
So this is god's original planis for wives to submit to their
husbands, husbands to submit totheir wives, but husbands should
also be submitted to the Lordand wives should also be

(26:32):
submitted to the Lord.

WALTER (26:32):
Yes, and they govern together.

SHANEA (26:36):
Yes.
But after the fall of man, bothparties became consumed with
wanting to be in control yeah,one, one head over the other,
instead of being, instead ofunity, instead of harmony,
instead of walking together theway that god called them to to
dominate which is rooted inpride.

WALTER (26:56):
Yeah, which is a reflection of who your father is
prior to committing yourself tochrist right your father is the
enemy, and the enemy isextremely prideful.

SHANEA (27:07):
Right, right, right, right.
And so when we see the wordsubmit here, when we're talking
about unity, when we're talkingabout a harmonized relationship,
submitting is not aboutinferiority right's.
It's not about someone beinghigher than the other.

(27:29):
It's about voluntarily lovingunconditionally right and
empowering one another.
So submitting is I amsubmitting to your authority,
because we both rule right andwe both have our own given gifts

(27:54):
.
We have our own positions, butwe're still rulers right.
But I'm submitting to yourauthority.
You're a king, I'm a queen.
I'm submitting to yourauthority, your, your authority.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
You're a king, I'm a queen, I'm submitting to your
authority, under the authorityof christ.

SHANEA (28:10):
As long as you're following christ, I'm submitting
to you, but I'm while I'msubmitting to you, I'm also
submitting to christ, becausethat's who you're following,
that's your leader I despise theking queen thing, but okay, you
know I don't like that but no,I'm, I'm just like as I'm
talking about as far asrulership it's the only thing I
could think of understand.

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But yes, I'm not gonna call you.
I'm not gonna call you kingthere's only one king in this
household exactly.

WALTER (28:37):
Yeah, continue, king jesus amen the lordship type
situation yes so, but no, thatthat makes sense.
Um it, so it's.
When you look at submission,it's not about inferiority but
voluntarily loving andempowering each other.

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And I think when you shift thatand have that view as far as
women, it shifts the idea.
And I believe the struggle withwomen sometimes and you can
correct me if I'm wrong is whenmen talk about submitting, they
talk about it from a more so,from a perspective of control.

SHANEA (29:14):
Subservient, subservient , yeah.

WALTER (29:16):
I control you.
You do what I say.
Do as.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I say, do it, and there's no submission to that
woman.
That's not submission.

WALTER (29:23):
Yeah, and you're not even submitted to Christ.
Exactly which is why youapproach it that way.
Exactly, we go back toEphesians 5 and it says love
your wives, as Christ loves thechurch.
And further down, paul talksabout love her like you would
love yourself.
Would you mistreat yourself?

SHANEA (29:40):
Yeah, yeah.
But the thing is is withsubmission is, and it's crazy,
because how, how do you, as aman, expect a woman to submit to
you, when you and we talkedabout this in the last episode
that you're a role model, right?
You teach her how she'ssupposed to love or submit by

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you submitting to Christ.

WALTER (30:06):
Yeah, you're not submitted to Christ, so you
can't, it's impossible.

SHANEA (30:10):
And you can't love without loving Christ first.

WALTER (30:13):
Or you have a false, there's a false identity.
So there's this false conceptof kind of being submitted to
Christ but not really beingsubmitted.
You know it's not.
You say Jesusesus christ name.

SHANEA (30:31):
You say that you pray really, but you're not submitted
.

WALTER (30:32):
Your fruit doesn't show that you walk with christ
exactly, you don't have arelationship and it's all about
relationship.
So that's very true.
That's very true.

SHANEA (30:44):
Yeah, but we'll move on I don't want to stay here too
long.

WALTER (30:49):
We could, and I'm trying to be mindful of time even as
we're doing this, so we don'tturn this into a two hour, cause
it becomes.
It can become a two hoursituation.

SHANEA (30:56):
It can become a two hour situation.

WALTER (30:58):
I'm trying to be mindful , cause you got some notes here.

SHANEA (31:01):
Cause we can Listen here , because we can listen you all
don't see the notes.

WALTER (31:08):
I see the notes because we can go deep.
I see the notes, we can go deep.
We got, we got section three.
We got a, b, c, d, so I'm gonnalet you continue babe.

SHANEA (31:19):
No.
So section three is literallyjust going over proverbs 31 um
woman, um, starting from verse10 right, where it says who can
find a virtuous wife?
For her worth is far aboverubies, and the revelation that

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I had got was a virtuous wifecomes from?
It comes from her godlycharacter, right, that's found
in Proverbs 18.22.
And appreciated by a man ofnoble character.

(32:07):
But the man has to be noble inorder for him to recognize a
virtuous woman, right?
So what does noble mean?

WALTER (32:19):
Noble.
Do you have the definition here?

SHANEA (32:22):
No, I don't.

WALTER (32:23):
Let me see.
Let's see, no, from a biblicalperspective or just in general.

SHANEA (32:30):
Just in general, noble.

WALTER (32:33):
Belonging to a hereditary class with high
social or political status,having assuring fine personal
qualities or high moralprinciples and ideals.

SHANEA (32:46):
Having high moral principles, integrity and honor,
high status, belonging to ahigh social or political class,
impressive or grand.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So you have to be a man ofmorality, integrity and honor,

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and you have to be in thepresence of the Lord in order to
recognize a virtuous woman,because she would be, she would
have a godly character, and youdon't know what a godly
character is if you don'tpossess it.
So they're like I want aProverbs 31 wife.
Her worth is far above Ruby's.

WALTER (33:38):
And we touch on that a lot.
We touch on Proverbs 31 wifeall the time but once again, we
don't touch on Ephesians 5 andwhat it means to be a man that's
submitted to god.
So, like when you talk abouthigh class, what I think of is
someone who uh, what comes tomind?

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It's like someone who has arelationship with god, yeah, and
they understand who they are inchrist.
And when you have arelationship with God and you
understand who you are in Christ, it shifts how you move.

SHANEA (34:11):
So the question to the ladies is why would you commit
or be in a relationship withsomeone who is not noble?
You commit or be in arelationship with someone who is

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not noble?
He won't even, he doesn't evenhe won't even recognize you.

WALTER (34:34):
And when we're saying no , but we're talking from the
perspective of them being godlyyeah, not a form of godliness.
No, but actually have therelationship, the power of god
which brings forth the change ofcharacter right.

SHANEA (34:45):
Does he have the character of god?
Does he have a godly character?
Yeah, right, um.
Does he take on the nature ofthe holy spirit?
Is he kind, is he loving?

WALTER (34:54):
first of all, is he who god called you be with, but if
he, is for starters, but youwill notice this in his fruit
because he can be who god hascalled you to be with, but he
hasn't been processed.
And the thing and hopefully youcatch this, the thing is,
ladies, that you can be whereGod has called you to be, but if

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he has not gone through theprocess, he still would mistreat
you.

SHANEA (35:17):
Yes, because he doesn't understand your worth.

WALTER (35:20):
No, it's only through the power of Christ that he's
able to understand that.
That he's able to understandthat because what has to take
place, as he goes through theprocess, as he begins, he began
to view you through the lens ofChrist, through the lens of God,
and it's a difference.
Yeah, and viewing you from thatperspective.

SHANEA (35:38):
Yeah, and I know you talked to the girlies about you
know if, if someone is driving acertain particular type of car,
if they're driving like a Kiaand then they upgrade to a
Maybach.
Essentially and this is nothingagainst anyone they are not
going to be able to treat thatMaybach like it needs to be

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treated.

WALTER (35:59):
It's nothing against those in this position, but you
wouldn't give the keys to aRolls Royce to a homeless person
and expect them to be able tomaintain that car.

SHANEA (36:08):
To keep his value.

WALTER (36:09):
They're not going to be able to because they don't have
an understanding of how to, so alot of times, what women do is
you give the keys to yourself tomen, when you are literally the
you're priceless and you givethat over to a man.
Yeah.
And because he has nounderstanding on how to treat
you, he ends up mistreating youyes misusing you, abusing you so

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by the time you defiling you.
Yes, so by the time he's doneand you come to the person, god
has come to you, or a call foryou to be with, you're broken,
you're uh, you're rejected, yourvalue has gone your value has
gone down.
Your value has gone down andnow.
God has to take you through theprocess, or you end up

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devaluing yourself, and when youend up devaluing yourself, you
won't value who God has broughtyou to be with.

SHANEA (36:57):
Exactly Because now you don't even recognize who you are
the Rolls Royce.

WALTER (37:03):
Yes.

SHANEA (37:03):
Because you're used to being treated like a Kia.
Nothing against those who havea kia?

WALTER (37:10):
no, nothing, I drove a kia, we talked about it in the
back of the day a pinto, a pinto.

SHANEA (37:13):
Yes a humpty.
You're used to being treatedlike a humpty, so you don't even
recognize that you're a roseroyce because, you're covered in
, just you have to be restored.

WALTER (37:24):
Yes, you have to be restored to your original design
.
You know I'm huge in the cars,so people will find these
vehicles.
Who that people have mistreatedis rusted out yeah it's all of
these things and they have totake it through a process of
restoration.
Yes and so for women.
A lot of times, what you findyourself in because of culture

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and you go through these,situation after situation after
situation, you find yourselfhaving to go through the process
of being restored, and only Godcan restore you back to your
rightful design to your rightfulplace of your original beauty
and the problem is we have somany people in the culture, in
society that's not going throughthat process no, and they will

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tell you that you should be used.

SHANEA (38:13):
But then you have people in the cultures like, oh well,
she's, she's been used, I don'teven want her anymore yeah, when
the reality is, the reason thatshe's in that that place is
because of what men did right,because they didn't know her
worth and it's just what it is.

WALTER (38:28):
Men do that they tell you if you don't do these things
, then I don't want to be withyou, and so you feel like you
have to, or if you already aredealing with trauma or something
like that.
You end up feeling as ifbecause you've been sexually,
you know right.

SHANEA (38:43):
So now you feel like you have to do that?
Yeah, because you've beendefiled as a child.

WALTER (38:49):
So this is all I'm worth , this is all I can give, this
is all they.
This is how I get people to sayI love you because let's touch
on it.
This is how my dad showed methat he loved me.
Right.
My dad said, if I didn't dothis, or after my dad did this
to me, every single time hewould tell me that he's doing
this because he loves me right,or my parents let uncle or

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cousin do this, and they didn'tdo anything about it and so now
I'm not.

SHANEA (39:14):
You link that to that, yeah subconsciously,
subconsciously, that's yourthoughts, that's your thought
process yes and that starts withthe defiling of your womb yes,
and we gotta.

WALTER (39:27):
This may be a little bit longer but we don't keep going.
We don't keep going because wecan stay there.

SHANEA (39:32):
Yeah, so next scripture and Proverbs Proverbs 31, 13
through 14.
She seeks wool and flax andworks willingly with her hands.
She is like the merchant shipsbringing her food from afar.

WALTER (39:53):
um, and I think, babe, did you redo this because my
original thoughts aren't here Idid not redo it, but you can
look towards your originalthoughts if you want to um.

SHANEA (40:05):
So god gave me revelation as I was reading
through this.
So how?

WALTER (40:09):
about you read the entire thing and then just give
what god has given you for thisparticular part?
Um, I'm gonna pull it up sorry,you guys um.

SHANEA (40:43):
Proverbs 31, 13 through 14.
She seeks wool and flax andworks willingly with her hands.
She is like the merchant shipsbringing her food from afar.
Basically, what God was justtelling me is that a wise wife
she will take, she will andeveryone a wife.
She turns a house into a home.
She makes something out ofnothing.

WALTER (41:06):
You got to dig deeper.

SHANEA (41:07):
She makes something out of nothing.
You gotta dig deeper.
She makes something out ofnothing, so she, she's you.
She she's creative, she'swilling, willingly, with her
hands.
She works with her hands, sheuses wool and flax and she makes
something.
She creates.
That's what, women, that's herrole.
She is a creator, naturally,because she has a womb right,

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but she uses the wisdom that Godhas given her to create
something out of nothing.
Create that house into a home.
Create that meal of what youhave in a house rice and beans
into something magnificent.

WALTER (41:46):
You just have to create something.
Yes.

SHANEA (41:48):
You have a wonderful meal, right?
So she brings, she provides asource of wisdom, a source of
creativity, because it'ssomething that you might not
have thought of but you needright so there's a level of

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wisdom.

WALTER (42:12):
There's a level of wisdom and insight that is
connected to her, that if youdon't recognize that, you will
um forfeit the favor that comesfrom submitting to the wisdom
that God has given her.
God has given your wife for you.
And just in general, becauseit's automatically placed inside

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her.
Yeah.

SHANEA (42:38):
That's the revelation of God was she will make something
out of nothing.
She provides life changingwisdom.
Yeah.
Is what the Lord gave me.

WALTER (42:48):
And the challenge is submitting to that wisdom, which
means, as a man, you have to bein a space of humility to
submit to the wisdom, and that'swhy, for women, it's so
important that you know who youare and you're not with anyone

(43:08):
that would sit on your light andnot allow your light to shine
exactly.

SHANEA (43:13):
So it's like oh, you're not here just to help your
husband yes and all hisendeavors.
You have your own purpose, youryour own gift and we touched on
that last week.

WALTER (43:29):
Your purpose, woman, um in in life is not to help your
husband push his purpose, oryour purpose in life is not to
serve your husband, because alot of women get lost they find
that they're taught to findtheir identity in being a wife,
and there's so much more to youas a woman, there's so much more

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to women out there in general,than just the role of being a
wife.

SHANEA (43:57):
Right, right.

WALTER (44:00):
What has God called you to?
What is the message that Godhas given to you that he wants
you to deliver?
Who have God called you to?
What area has God called foryou to be innovative in?
What is the assignments that'sbeen assigned to you?

SHANEA (44:18):
Right.

WALTER (44:19):
And it's important because one of the revelations
that God gave to me earlier onabout Adam is that when Adam saw
Eve, he immediately said whoshe was.
Yeah.
But what God was saying is thathe saw the vision and he spoke
life into Eve.
He spoke life into her.

SHANEA (44:39):
She has her own life.

WALTER (44:41):
Right, he didn't say you , he said you are a woman.

SHANEA (44:44):
Exactly.

WALTER (44:45):
You come from man.

SHANEA (44:46):
Yes, but you are a woman .

WALTER (44:47):
Exactly, you've come from man, but you are a woman.
He made mention to the fact ofsaying to her you have your own
identity outside of me Exactly.

SHANEA (44:56):
You're separate from me.
While we are one, you are stillseparate.

WALTER (45:00):
Exactly, we're one, yet you're also your own individual,
and I think, unfortunately forwomen're taught, uh, to be just
one, and so your identity istied once again into that man,
when in fact, your identityshould be tied into christ right
.

SHANEA (45:19):
Well, they use the scripture and it ties into the
next section of proverbs um, Idon't remember the exact
scripture where it says you knowhe's, she's your help me right
that's in genesis.
Is it genesis 2 18?
Can you look that up for mereal quick?
you can go ahead and look it upokay, well, um, let's go, let's

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go and let's get into it.
So, proverbs 31, 23 to 24 herhusband is known in the gates
when he sits among the elders ofthe land.
She makes linen garments andsells them and supplies sashes
for the merchants.
So the revelation I got herewas her husband is known at the
gates, well respected by others.
She assists in the presence ofthe Lord, she is helpful in

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maintaining the riches God givesthem, is an assistant to her
husband when it comes toproviding.
So she assists right.
Her identity isn't found inwhat he's doing, she just
assists with what he's doing bythe guidance of the lord, in the

(46:28):
presence of the lord.
Right, because he's not.
He's known at the gates andwhen I heard gates I'm like
these are heavenly gates.
I'm thinking from a spiritualperspective.
You should only be assistinghim if he's in the presence of
the lord yes, and that was alsogenesis 2 and 18 that you was
referring to.

WALTER (46:45):
That's I believe it says help meet because of the uh, I
believe that was a new kingjames version, or the.
The king james version thatreferred to it as help me.
Um.
Yet in the new livingtranslation, um, I believe it
says helper uh right yeah, Iwill make a helper who is just

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right for him but we have to digback into the responsibilities
that was associated with adamand eve, which I believe can be
found in genesis one to govern,to rule, to have domain.

SHANEA (47:21):
But continue back right now, so right here you see,
she's in partnership with herhusband.

WALTER (47:28):
Yes.

SHANEA (47:28):
She's not under dictatorship.
She doesn't do it just becausehe told her to do it.
I'm pretty sure he didn't tellher to make linen garments.
It's something that she can dobecause that's her gift, right?
But she sells them to helpprovide for the family in
addition to whatever he's doing.

WALTER (47:48):
So he submits to the grace that God has upon her life
, and he actually allows her tobe her.

SHANEA (47:57):
Exactly To rule where she has rule of shit where she
has authority.

WALTER (48:03):
He's not afraid or he's not threatened by her being who
she's been called to be in thoseareas and respected for that
dang.

SHANEA (48:12):
I see your wife helping you.

WALTER (48:13):
That's, that's, that's dope and other people recognize
the wisdom that she has, thegrace that she has in the favor
that's upon her life, whichextends to him exactly so.

SHANEA (48:24):
She has her own role supporting not just supporting
him, but supporting the entirehousehold.
Right?
And then you go down toproverbs 31, 26 through 27 and
it says when she speaks, herwords are wise and she gives

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instructions with kindness, shecarefully watches everything in
her household and suffersnothing from laziness.
What the lord said to me wasthat she minds her tongue, but
only using the wisdom of god,being the perfect host for the

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Holy Spirit to lead her and thehousehold.
The spirit is always moving, soshe will never be comfortable
being lazy.

WALTER (49:19):
So what is the words?
Of wisdom for women in this,with these few scriptures, babe.

SHANEA (49:24):
The words of wisdom is to mind your tongue.

WALTER (49:30):
And men are going to like hearing that.

SHANEA (49:32):
Mind your tongue, because women they like to talk,
they like to pop off at themouth.
Speak reckless, yes.

WALTER (49:41):
That also comes from a place of just brokenness.

SHANEA (49:44):
Yes.

WALTER (49:45):
It comes from a place of brokenness.

SHANEA (49:46):
It does, it, does, it does.
So we do have to be mindfulabout how we speak.
Place of just brokenness, yes,it comes from a place of
brokenness.
It does, it, does, it does.
So we do have to be mindfulabout how we speak.
Um, because, like, words arevery powerful and if you already
hold something that birthsforth life, imagine the amount
of power you hold just speakinglife and you can be speaking

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curses.
Yeah, you could be speakingcurses over yourself, curses
over your husband, curses overyour spouse, but when, when it
says here, she opens her mouthwith wisdom and on her tongue is
a law of kindness.
So when you speak, it shouldonly you should be led by the

(50:32):
holy spirit.
If you have a concern with yourhusband, or anyone for that
matter, mind your tongue.
Allow the holy spirit to guideyou.

WALTER (50:45):
It's not easy.
I know it's not easy.

SHANEA (50:47):
It's not easy.
It's something that I've had tolearn.

WALTER (50:53):
Amen, sister, and I would say the Bible says.
There's a scripture where theBible says be slow to speak,
slow to anger and quick tolisten.

SHANEA (51:05):
And that's for everybody it is.

WALTER (51:06):
It is.
That's for everybody, it is.
It is that's for both men andwomen.
James 1 and 10.
That's for everybody.
We continue babe.

SHANEA (51:18):
No, I think also what's put in here Proverbs 15, 1 and
Ephesians 4, 29, where the womanshould speak life and wisdom
into her household.
So, like I said, because youalready, you already hold life
in your body, you hold life anddeath in your body and imagine

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what you can be speaking fromjust your mouth that tongue can
be deadly.

WALTER (51:45):
That tongue can be deadly.
Your tongue is a weapon.

SHANEA (51:47):
It's a weapon For sure, yeah, for sure, but a Proverbs
31 woman minds her tongue.
Mm-hmm.
And you can through yourexperiences.
I'm sure a lot of women'stongues are.

WALTER (52:02):
Reckless.

SHANEA (52:03):
Reckless, but through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Reckless, reckless, but throughthe power of the Holy Spirit
your fruit will be shown askindness.

WALTER (52:10):
Amen, okay, especially our sisters out there.
Y'all told me I can't speak foranyone else, but I know I grew
up around my sisters and I havecousins and y'all boys.

SHANEA (52:28):
God mercy it's a process .
It's a process.
We gotta allow the holy spiritto guide our tongues amen, amen,
okay, amen are you so silly?
Okay, where we at now no, Ithink the last part is just um,

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remember I have the revelationabout she watches everything in
her household and suffersnothing from laziness.
So a woman who is lazy, anybodywho's lazy, really that's not a
fruit of the Spirit.

WALTER (53:08):
No, you need to pray about that.

SHANEA (53:10):
The Holy Spirit is always moving.

WALTER (53:12):
That's what we would call slumber.

SHANEA (53:14):
Yes.

WALTER (53:15):
It's the spirit of slumber.

SHANEA (53:16):
He's always moving, always moving.
I think it's important thatwomen, just in general, submit
their entire life to the, theholy spirit to the holy spirit
so that the holy spirit canguide you, because you can only
be a proverbs 31 woman, justlike a.
A man can only be a ephesians 5man through the power of the

(53:40):
holy spirit.
Yes, so you can try and do allthese things.
All you want.
All you're gonna do is justburn yourself out.
You're gonna burn yourself out,trust me.

WALTER (53:48):
I've been there it's impossible to do outside of the
power of the holy spirit you'regonna get burnt out.

SHANEA (53:53):
You're gonna get frustrated because now you're
trying to hold your tongue,you're trying to hold your peace
.
You don't know when you shouldbe saying something, when you
should not be saying something,when you should be fighting,
when you shouldn't be fightingyeah where, uh, how you should
be working?
Should you?
You be working two, three jobsto help pay these bills, half
the bills you should?

WALTER (54:08):
not be.
You know like you should not be.
You should not be If you got ahusband at home, ladies, you
should not be working two, threejobs.

SHANEA (54:19):
No.

WALTER (54:19):
You should be working one.

SHANEA (54:20):
You shouldn't be working more than your husband.

WALTER (54:22):
He may work two jobs.

SHANEA (54:24):
I mean, unless obviously I mean you know the economic
system right now.

WALTER (54:28):
You should not be working two, three jobs.

SHANEA (54:31):
But you should not be.

WALTER (54:32):
The Bible says the man that was a curse that was placed
upon a man.
He would have to work.
Yes To the point of like thesweat of his brows.
Yes, we have to work.

SHANEA (54:44):
Yes, and until that man comes to Jesus.

WALTER (54:47):
Amen, but we're gonna continue because we are pressed
for time.

SHANEA (54:50):
but continue, babe um, no, I think that I think that's
it really.
I mean, I could dig in deep,but I'm not going.
I'm not going to.
I just kind of wanted tobriefly go over the proverbs 31,
woman and um, really, just letwomen know how important their

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wombs are.
And you can only be thisproverbs 31 woman with the power
of the holy spirit, but youshould not be this woman for
someone who isn't noble, someonewho isn't honorable, someone
who does not have a relationshipwith god.
Because you'll end up and we'reabout to go into this leading

(55:31):
You'll end up being the oneleading the family and that's
not by design.
Technically, we're supposed tolead together, but the man
should be the head of thehousehold.

WALTER (55:42):
And we.
It's really important, andwe'll touch on this because
we're going to try to wrap thisup in 10 minutes.
We're going to go over a littlebit, you all, so just bear with
us.
It's a lot of information thatwe're getting through.
It's very important, so so it's.

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So.
What would you say are theimportant things that we can
touch on and give to the people,babe, before we move into
spiritual leadership?

SHANEA (56:22):
okay, I mean you want to go to section four.

WALTER (56:29):
We can yeah so.

SHANEA (56:33):
I guess key takeaways, and I'll read Colossians 3, 18
through 19.
I don't know what that says.

WALTER (56:44):
So give me one second.
Okay, so give me one second.
Colossians 3, 18 through 19.

SHANEA (56:55):
It's just wives, submit to your husbands as it is
fitting for those who belong tothe Lord, and husbands, love
your wives and never treat themharshly yeah, so wives are
called to submit to theirhusbands to love them
sacrificially yes and thenhusbands are called to love
their wives yes, well, and nottreat them harshly yeah, it

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husbands it's just reiteratingephesians 5 ephesians 5, but
also reiterating god'sredemptive plan, is that you
guys are not supposed to bebutting heads.

WALTER (57:29):
No, no one should be trying to control anybody.
You shouldn't be trying tofight for who's in.
Quote unquote charge no,husbands.
We aren't dictators.
We're called to believe inhumility.
We're called to submit to christand just as much as our wives

(57:50):
are called to submit to us, weare also called to submit to
them.
We're called to lead togetherand and then understanding.
One of those things I think isso important and I was thinking
about today that came to me isunderstanding.
A lot of times, unfortunately,men, we fall into this category
of we fall into this category ofbecoming a protector, and so we

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become so focused with being aprotector that we we lose sight
of seasons.
There is a moment in time whereyou are, there's moments in
time where you're protectingyour wives, but there's other
moments in time where you haveto let go and allow her to be
what God has called her to be.

SHANEA (58:36):
What do you mean by like protecting?

WALTER (58:38):
So if something is going on, then it's my responsibility
to protect you.
I'm going to hover over you toprotect you, but once that
threat has left, I have toreposition back to the point of
you being beside me and allowingyou to thrive in what God has
called you to be.
So a lot of times men getcaught up into this hover over,

(58:58):
protect and not understandingthe seasons that flow through in
life.
So it's nothing wrong with youwanting to protect your wife,
but you can get to a point towhere it becomes controlling
yeah yeah, protection can come.

SHANEA (59:14):
Well, you can psych yourself into thinking that I'm
protecting her, but I'mcontrolling her.
I'm not letting her go.

WALTER (59:21):
I'm not letting her go to be everything God has called
her to be.

SHANEA (59:25):
Now we start digging or I don't trust that she can be
exactly so you gotta be careful.
And then you also have tounderstand seasons.
We think God has called her tobe.
Now we start digging into otherthings.
Or I don't trust that she canbe.

WALTER (59:28):
Exactly so.
You got to be careful, and thenyou also have to understand
seasons.
But we can go ahead.
I'm sorry.

SHANEA (59:35):
I know, I know, go ahead baby.

WALTER (59:37):
So it's important to understand that, like you said,
there's a redemptive plan formarriage and then understanding
the favor and blessings in agodly relationship right.
God's favor come when we alignourselves with his will for
marriage.

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A God-ordained marriage is asource of favor and blessings
from God and we touched on thislast week.
Specifically, I think this isfor men.
It's so important that we'remindful of how we treat our
wives, especially when we arealready in a God-ordained
marriage, because if we mistreatyou all, then that would
negatively impact the favor uponour lives, because the favor is

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tied to you and it's tied tohow we treat you.
We went over scriptures of thatlast week, so if you want to
reference the scriptures, youcan go to last week episode.
So, um, when we think of the,it's as simple as this to
experience god's favor, men musttreat their wives with the same

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love and respect they have forthemselves, and that goes back
into Ephesians 5.
That's.
Ephesians 5.
So I think that's reallyimportant.
That's really important.
Why are you looking at me likethat, babe?

SHANEA (01:00:58):
I'm sorry, it was like information overload.
Oh, and I'm kind of sleepyListen.

WALTER (01:01:06):
You know they're going to come in the comment section.

SHANEA (01:01:07):
I know they're going to come in the comment section.
Their energy is off.
They probably should haverecorded another.

WALTER (01:01:13):
Recorded at another time , yes, so whatever um, this is a
lot of those comments, by theway yes, because it's just no
reason for it.
It's a lot of information andwe're trying to get through all
of this information and we tryto wrap it up into an hour and
sometimes it's impossible.

SHANEA (01:01:28):
It's impossible, and I would like to have like a deeper
, in-depth conversation.
I feel like I just kind of wentover stuff.

WALTER (01:01:38):
You went in, it could always be deeper, but this could
turn into an extended thing.
You know, when it gets to thatpoint and we're doing
conferences or whatever Godleads us to do we can dig deeper
in when we have the people,because this is really just a
lot of stuff to teach.

SHANEA (01:01:54):
Yeah, but it's something just to ponder on.

WALTER (01:01:56):
Yeah, so the roles of both parties in a healthy
relationship.
Babe, how would you sum that up?

SHANEA (01:02:06):
Because we are pressed for time the roles of both
parties.
I believe that the I mean theoriginal role is for them to
rule and have dominion over theearth, to be fruitful and to
multiply.

WALTER (01:02:19):
Genesis 2.
Genesis 2.

SHANEA (01:02:21):
It's literally just that .
It's for them to be fruitfuland to multiply.
It's for them to love eachother as Christ loves the church
or the church submits to God.

WALTER (01:02:31):
Yeah, so this goes back over.
You both are called to serveeach other.

SHANEA (01:02:36):
Yeah.

WALTER (01:02:43):
There has to be communication healthy
communication lines ofcommunication.
There has to be mutual respectcare and humility.
There has to be mutual respect,care and humility.
There has to be, humility there.
And godly relationships is aboutpartnership.
It's not about control,dictating anyone or treating
someone as their subservient.
It's the basic stuff we alwaystalk about that people may not

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want to hear.
I'm sorry, if you're a dictator, I would question your
relationship with God.
If you're a man in arelationship and you're trying
to dictate your wife and yourfamily, yeah.
So, but let's dig into thisreal quick Spiritual leadership
in marriage, and then we willwrap it up leadership in

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marriage, and then we will wrapit up.
So I'm gonna try to wrap this upin like five minutes.
The issue, um and baby, keep mepressed, or let's?
Let's keep me focused that Idon't lose sight, okay, so we,
I'm gonna try to wrap this up.
We have all grew up on prayinggrandmoms and praying mamas and

(01:04:00):
praying aunties right, andseeing our the, the women in our
family, be the spiritualleaders in our family.
So what God was dealing with meon earlier today is and we
talked about this yesterday.
Yeah, one of the issues withinmarriages and relationships or

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marriages we're speaking in thecontext of marriage is that you
have women who are leadingspiritually, while the man leads
naturally.
And so when the man lacksspiritual leadership and I'm
going to just give it to you,like he gave it to me he may
compensate by a certain controlin other areas of the marriage.

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This often manifests itself ashim being a dictator.
Yeah, due to an obsession withremaining in control, and that
stems from the fact that when aman is spiritually immature or
they don't have a relationshipwith Jesus Christ, he still
operates post-fall.

(01:05:03):
Yeah, and so in his mind it'sstill this mindset of her trying
to control and rule me Right.
And I have to show her that.

SHANEA (01:05:12):
I'm in control.

WALTER (01:05:13):
I'm more powerful Right and so this is why it's so
important that men have arelationship with God and
they're submitted to Christ,because once you submit to
Christ, it shifts your mindsetand now you have a revelation
that, oh, I'm not supposed tocontrol her, I'm not operating
out of this world system.

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Now we actually move together,we have dominion together, we
rule together, we governtogether, and then it also tires
the woman out, because you werenever meant to run the entire
thing spiritually.

SHANEA (01:05:50):
That's where the struggle comes in.
Also is because whatever you doin the spirit realm manifests
in the natural.
So if spiritually and we see ityour grandmother or your mother
is praying continuously, she'sthe rock of the family.
Without her, the whole familycannot function.
So naturally she is the leader.

(01:06:10):
She should not be.
Though you got dad coming orgrandpa coming home, he sits
down on the couch.
He she got her his food ready.
He put his feet up.
He get his beer.
He might stay out all night.
He might be with another woman,he might, might have a whole
other family on his side.

WALTER (01:06:26):
It was definitely a situation a lot.

SHANEA (01:06:31):
You don't find out until the funeral.
True story.
But you see it pan outnaturally where the wife or the
mother is the leader, becauseshe is the one fighting all the
time, she's the one fighting inthe spirit realm for the family,

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she's the one hearing from godand she can't be all things at
one time and this is the issue,because what happens is that we,
we still fall into genesis 316,so we're still operating.

WALTER (01:07:06):
And that's the problem, ladies, is that when you are
outside of the perfect will ofChrist, you operate within the
curse.

SHANEA (01:07:14):
Yes.

WALTER (01:07:15):
So you're still moving based upon the curse.

SHANEA (01:07:18):
Right from the fall of Adam and Eve.
From the fall of Adam and EveRight.

WALTER (01:07:21):
And the whole idea of going through this process, of
having your mind renewed,developing a relationship with
christ right is that it placesyou into a situation that it
allows god to take you throughthe process of getting you back
into right standing.
So the idea is going back tothat place pre the fall of man

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where right everything operatesfrom that perspective.
And so genesis 3, 16 read thatyes that's the curse.

SHANEA (01:07:57):
Yes, genesis 2 this is not how it's supposed to be.
God said this is what's goingto happen.
That does not mean that's whatit's supposed to be.
It happened because they sinned.

WALTER (01:08:11):
And you can be free from that.
The idea of what God called itto be is and actually that's
Genesis 1, I'm so sorry the ideaof what God has called it to be
is Genesis 26 through 28.
Genesis 1, 26 through 28.
That's what it's supposed to be.
Ladies, that's what it'ssupposed to be.

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Men, you're supposed to cometogether.
She's supposed to be beside you.
You are supposed to and wetouched on this before.
28 says then God blessed themand said be fruitful and
multiply, fill the earth andgovern it, rain over the fish in
the sea, the birds in the skyand all the animals that scurry

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along the ground.
God said that he would make ahelper for Adam, but it was not
meant for her to be subservientto Adam.
God said that he would make ahelper for Adam, and he told
Adam and Eve to do these thingstogether.
No one's trying to compete, noone's nothing.
They did it together.
And so, baby, we had to wrapthis up.

(01:09:21):
Let me say this real quick andwe can wrap it up God's design
is that the husband lead withlove and the wife supports him
spiritually, but when thatbalance is disrupted it often
leads to unhealthy dynamics likeauthority, authoritarianism yes

(01:09:43):
authoritarianism it leads toyou trying to be a dictator.
Right.
I'm too tired and so.

SHANEA (01:09:54):
We be struggling, you guys.

WALTER (01:09:56):
You have no clue.
We really, we really try to getthese videos out Because, once
again, even with the videos,it's not something that we saw
in our lives.
My wife she was a nursepractitioner and I was on my way
to being a software engineer,and so-.

SHANEA (01:10:15):
Life just got flipped and turned upside down.

WALTER (01:10:19):
Yep, Yep.
I was like I'm going to have anamazing tech company and that's
what we're going to do.
And God was like no, I want youto do this and we are committed
to doing it because it's needed, but that's something that
we'll to do.
And God was like no, I want youto do this and we are committed
to doing it because it's needed, but that's something that
we'll touch on later on wheneverwe share our testimony.
Right.
So how would you wrap this up?
What's like you want to diginto the key takeaways.

SHANEA (01:10:40):
Okay, I think one of the most important things is for my
ladies.
Mm-hmm, I think one of the mostimportant things is for my
ladies to really not date.

WALTER (01:10:54):
Amen, no matter what they say.

SHANEA (01:10:56):
No matter what they say, I don't care.

WALTER (01:10:58):
God called me to be your husband.

SHANEA (01:11:00):
I don't care what pastor preacher church you go to God,
said I'm supposed to be with youand they said that it's okay to
date, and these are the seventhings you should find in a man.
These are the five things.
Men are simple.
We want this, this, this andthis and this.
If you're dating, this is whatyou should be looking for.

WALTER (01:11:16):
You need to date because you need to understand what you
need.

SHANEA (01:11:19):
Don't do it.

WALTER (01:11:22):
I thought you was going to smack your lips after saying
that continue.

SHANEA (01:11:24):
I'm so sorry I was going to, but I was being mindful of
the mic, yeah, um, and I'm notsaying don't do it from a
perspective of because justdon't do it you want to be in
the perfect will of god and thatmeans that god never called for
us to date that is a very pagantype it is pagan approach.

WALTER (01:11:47):
God called for it to be a situation where he brings you
to the person he's called you tobe and then there's a courtship
.
You court that person, butyou're courting the person that
you know without a shadow of adoubt, and he knows without a
shadow of a doubt that God hascalled y'all to.

SHANEA (01:12:02):
Maybe you always have the right words, because I'm
just like, nah, no, so we're notsaying don't date.
We're saying not in the contextof dating people.

WALTER (01:12:12):
We're saying wait till God bring to you, and he bring
to you the man that he's calledyou to be with.
Women and men.
The same goes for you and it'snot a situation you don't find
that by dating and doing this,all you end up doing is hurting
yourself and breaking yourself.
Men you end up and doing this.
All you end up doing is hurtingyourself and breaking yourself.
Men you end up hurting women orwomen, you end up hurting men
and by the time you're done, youbirth forth Ishmaels.

SHANEA (01:12:35):
Yes, and we talk about that in Birthing for the Ishmael
.

WALTER (01:12:38):
You will destroy your womb.
You will defile your womb.
You will defile your body.
You will set up unnecessarycovenants.

SHANEA (01:12:46):
And you will put your children through hell.
Yes, and your children mightput you through hell.
Yes, because of who you birthedthem with.

WALTER (01:12:54):
Because you birthed them with someone that was wicked
and evil.

SHANEA (01:12:56):
Yes.

WALTER (01:12:58):
So don't do it.

SHANEA (01:12:58):
Don't do it.
Don't do it If you're in arelationship right now.
Pause.

WALTER (01:13:03):
If you ain't married, please be mindful and make sure
you are where God has called youto be.

SHANEA (01:13:07):
Pause and build your relationship with God first.

WALTER (01:13:10):
If you are married, submit that marriage to God, and
if you ain't where God calledyou to be, you might want to
pray.
We ain't going to tell you toget a divorce, but we're going
to tell you to pray and ask Godhow to get out of that or how to
approach a situation that isoutside of his will.

SHANEA (01:13:25):
Because, let's be real, when you have sex, you create
covenants and you're having sexand you're defiling your womb.
These are covenants that youare making in addition to the
covenants that your ancestorsmade.

WALTER (01:13:40):
And then, when you have a child with someone God hasn't
called you to be with you,create an additional covenant.
And women is so important.
Women, please, your womb is soimportant.
You can't be out here.
This is what God said.

SHANEA (01:13:53):
He said it is very important for you to get this
message, so please go back tothe beginning of the video and
listen to what the Lord has saidhas spoken about how important
your womb is.
I don't even remember what hesaid Exactly.

WALTER (01:14:10):
But y'all can listen to it.

SHANEA (01:14:11):
Exactly, that is very important.

WALTER (01:14:15):
So let's go through this real quick, and we're going to
be done.
Marriage is a divineinstitution that has been
designed by God with a purposefor beyond, far beyond, our own
desires and needs.
Both individuals must have astrong personal relationship
with God before entering into amarriage that reflects His will,

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and a godly marriage involvessacrificial love, submission and
a deep commitment to servingone another as Christ serves the
church.
Okay, so it's important that wereally dig into everything that
we talked on, touched abouttonight my wife touched on
tonight what we touched on lastweek, what we discussed last

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week, and please apply this toyour life.
It's so important, it's soimportant I don't know what else
to say no, go back through thescriptures.

SHANEA (01:15:12):
Ask God to give you revelation.

WALTER (01:15:14):
Yeah.

SHANEA (01:15:15):
Write down, take down notes.
Please do, please, please.

WALTER (01:15:18):
This is very important.
These last two episodes arevery important, also the episode
and the message of Christ,false Christ, but we ain't going
to get on that.
These are very importantmessages, especially those
because there's the blue pill,red pill, something pill I don't
know.
There's all these people that'sgunning for your time to try to
for your attention to try totell you to get into

(01:15:39):
relationships.
That's unhealthy.

SHANEA (01:15:41):
Please don't, don't, don't, listen to them, no more
Don't.
And also we reiterated thatlast week.
Don't be out here gettingmarried just because you want to
have sex and you can't controlyourself.

WALTER (01:15:56):
Don't be out here getting in relationships because
you want to have sex.
Nope, it ain't worth it.
It's not, it ain't worth it.
So, prayerfully, this weekmessage has been a blessing to
you.
Yes, if you like what you hear,we would definitely hear.
Like it, comment, share yourtestimonies.
Baby, you say it all, youalways say it, but it's all that
you say.

SHANEA (01:16:16):
What Subscribe like share?
You don't say it like that.
I don't say it like that.

WALTER (01:16:21):
She be making it so meaningful, and all of that
stuff.
And I'm just straight to thepoint.
And all of that stuff, and I'mjust straight to the point.

SHANEA (01:16:27):
You know, you see the personalities.
We straight to the point oncertain things.

WALTER (01:16:29):
Yeah, I'll be more straight to the point.
You'd be more.
You know that wholesome, youknow all of that good stuff that
women provide, the nurturing.
I'm just and I'm not an apostle, but I could see how I fall
more into the category of like.

SHANEA (01:16:48):
Prophet.

WALTER (01:16:49):
Well, yeah, You're a prophet, we won't get into that.
No, don't tell them nothing.
But I can see the I'm sorry,Thank you the prophet side of it
, because we're just straight tothe point and I'm like just
this is what God said.
Yes.
I don't care how you feel.

SHANEA (01:17:08):
This is what he said and this is what's going to happen.
Well, we appreciate you guysfor tuning in and watching us,
and we hope that this episodehas been a blessing to you.
Amen.
Um, if it has, please share it.
Um with other women, men, um,people you think that they might
need it, even if you don't knowthem.
Say, hey, you look like youneed to listen to this, so let

(01:17:30):
me listen to it let me send thisto you.
Hey, we are found on applepodcast spotify all your major
um podcast sites um, so yeah,yeah, so until next week, until
next week's.

WALTER (01:17:48):
we hope that you all be blessed.
Yes, and we will see you then.

SHANEA (01:17:52):
Bye.

WALTER (01:17:53):
Bye.