The Dangers of Sex Outside of God's Design

The spiritual consequences of sex outside of marriage run far deeper than most realize. In this revealing conversation, we unpack how every sexual encounter creates a spiritual covenant, binding you to more than just another person's body. These "illegal covenants" can transfer spiritual struggles, demonic influences, and even generational curses between partners.

Drawing from biblical examples like David and Bathsheba, we explore how unchecked lust distorts our perception of others, turning God's children into mere objects of desire. This distortion doesn't just affect relationships—it can completely derail your God-given purpose and calling. The story of Samson dramatically illustrates how sexual sin blinds us spiritually, causing us to lose discernment and divine protection.

The particularly troubling aspect of sexual sin is that, unlike other transgressions, it occurs within your own body—the very temple of the Holy Spirit. This internal defilement creates a spiritual congestion that makes it difficult to hear God's voice or experience His presence fully. We also address how p**nography, self-gratification, and other perversions feed spirits of lust that demand increasingly extreme expressions.

Perhaps most sobering is our discussion of generational consequences. Many struggle with sexual issues because of trauma, abuse, or spiritual bondage passed down through family lines. Using historical and biblical references, we explain how these patterns establish themselves and—most importantly—how they can be broken through revelation, renunciation, and spiritual warfare.

This isn't simply about moral restrictions—it's about protecting your spiritual wellbeing and destiny. True freedom comes through understanding these spiritual dynamics, confessing past sins, renewing your mind, and walking in the Spirit. Ready to break free from sexual bondage and walk in God's original design? This conversation might be your first step toward lasting freedom.

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Episode Transcript

Walter (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith,
where, together, we explore theimportance of having a
relationship with God and howthat relationship with God can
impact the relationship you havewith others.
I'm your host, walter.
I'm joined here alongside mylovely wife.

Shanea (00:13):
Shanea.

Walter (00:15):
This is episode 18.
So, before we get started,we're believers.
We say this every single week.
We like to always open out inprayer or open up in prayer, so
I believe I prayed last week, soit's my wife's turn.

Shanea (00:33):
Father God, we thank you for this day.
We thank you for your love,your grace and your mercy,
father God.
We thank you, father God, foreveryone that is listening.
I pray, father God, that thisepisode will be a blessing to
others.
I pray, father God, that thisepisode will be a blessing to
others.
I pray, father God, that rightnow you will open up their ears
to hear your heart, open uptheir eyes to see, release the
veil that they may have overtheir eyes.

(00:54):
Father God, to receive thisword in Jesus' name, we pray.

Walter (00:58):
Amen, amen.
So, babe, what is the title ofthis week's episode?
So babe, what is the title ofthis week's episode?

Shanea (01:05):
That would be the dangers of sex outside of God's
design.

Walter (01:12):
Hmm, that was long.
That's the way it was given.

Shanea (01:17):
Was it yes?

Walter (01:20):
Okay, that's what I got.
The dangers of sex outside ofGod's design Okay, even though.
Do you want to talk about howthis came to be?

Shanea (01:29):
Yeah, I was just going to say.
Usually God will give you aword on what we're going to talk
about for the week and after werecorded last week I had got

(01:49):
this download, I believe, but Ithought it was just like a
regular thought about sex.
Okay, you have to clear that up, because what do you mean?

Walter (01:54):
clear it up.
You just said I got thisthought about sex.

Shanea (02:01):
Not, oh, not, like I got this, thought about talking,
talking about sex.
Okay, talking about sex, but Ikind of just threw it off and I
was like, ok, father, if that'swhat you want us to talk about,
you're going to have to givethat to my husband.
And then, when you asked, youwere like you didn't get
anything.
And then, as you were sayingyou didn't get anything, while I

(02:21):
was standing there I heard theLord say that's because I gave
it to you.
And then that's when I told you, well, you didn't get anything
because God already gave yousomething for us to talk about,
and but I don't really know ifthat's what he really wants us
to talk about.
And then I heard the song let'stalk about sex, baby, from um.

(02:43):
Is that salt and pepper?

Walter (02:44):
It is, I think it's Salt-N-Pepa, salt-n-pepa, I
think it's.

Shanea (02:47):
Salt-N-Pepa Was playing in my head.
God's funny like that sometimes.

Walter (02:51):
This is not a place to He'll give me songs and stuff.
This is not a channel to.
This is not a religious channel.

Shanea (02:59):
No, sometimes I feel like was it Bumblebee from
Transformers, where he'd beplaying the music when he talks.

Walter (03:10):
Yeah, this is not a religious channel, y'all.

Shanea (03:12):
We're very much spiritual.
We actually have a relationshipwith the Lord, with the Father.

Walter (03:20):
So the dangers of sex outside of God's design.
It's a tough subject.
It's a very tough subjectbecause everybody want to have
sex and it's one of the thingsthat I think many people

(03:40):
struggle to give up when they'renot married struggle to give up
when you're not married.
Well, that's because if peoplehave sex outside of god's
original design, where we livein a fallen world, so everything
is tainted, I mean.
Well, I think we don'tunderstand what sex was designed
for, so the desire itself isnatural.

(04:00):
However, the enemy's job, or theresponsibility he's taken upon,
is to awaken that desire beforeit's time right and if he can
awaken that desire before histime, he's done what he wanted
to do, and so a lot of times, um, unfortunately, whether it's
something that kids are exposedto, uh, whether it's some type

(04:21):
of trauma that kids go throughwith parents, family members,
strangers, what may have you oreven other children, it awakens
something that should not havebeen awakened due to abuse or
due to being exposed to aparticular magazine their
parents may have, or their uncleor their big brother or sister

(04:42):
may have, or something beingwatched on TV, music being
played, and even today, musicvideos are very sexually based.
Everything is sexually based.

Shanea (04:53):
So Sex is everywhere.

Walter (04:55):
It is.

Shanea (04:56):
Sex sells.

Walter (04:58):
Heavily, unfortunately, heavily, unfortunately.
So where do we start to dive?
Dive in where do you want tostart?

Shanea (05:10):
well, you got these scriptures up here.
Did you want to?

Walter (05:13):
did you want to start with those or those were just
like noted no, um, I believeit's already in, but there's
some scriptures that god gave tome, but I was um going over.
Colossians 3, 1-16 came when wewas reading the other night.
I think we read that and thatstood out to me heavily, let's

(05:33):
see.
So it's going to be a littlebit of reading, yes, so if you
guys have your Bibles, pleaseget them out.

Shanea (05:43):
If not, get your phone Bible.

Walter (05:46):
It's 3, 1 through 16, unless you're watching this on
your phone and then just listenso I would say the entire
passage is a good read.
Yet we're going to just kind ofread a little bit of this, and
this is the new livingtranslation that we're reading,
beginning at verse 1, and, andthat's Colossians 3.
Yep 3, 1 through 16.

(06:09):
So it says Since you have beenraised to new life with Christ,
set your sights on the realitiesof heaven, where Christ sits in
the place of honor at God'sright hand.
Think about the things ofheaven, not the things of earth,
for you died to this life andyour real life is hidden with
Christ and God.
And when Christ, who is yourlife, is revealed to the whole

(06:30):
world, you will share in all hisglory.
So put to death the sinfulearthly things lurking within
you have nothing to do withsexual immorality, impurity,
lust and evil desires.
Don't be greedy, for a greedyperson is an idol of them,
worshiping the things of thisworld.
Because of these sins, theanger of God is coming.

(06:52):
You used to do these thingswhen your life was still part of
this world, but now is the timeto get rid of anger, rage,
malicious behavior, slander anddirty language.
And so this goes on to talkabout how you're to live your
life.
Allow God to guide you and leadyou in all you do.

(07:13):
But the thing that really stoodout to me with this is the fact
that it reflects the importancethat when you become a believer
that the things that you did inthe world you should no longer
do.
So there are those who believeor are okay with saying that I'm
a Christian, but I can stillhave sex because I'm just doing

(07:35):
it with this one person.
We're going to eventually getmarried, so there's nothing
wrong with it.
But the Bible, specificallyPaul speaking to the church,
stated specifically that youhave to put that away.
Have nothing to do with sexualimmorality, impurity, lust and
evil desires.

Shanea (07:55):
Yeah, well, see, the problem is is that the world
tells you that having sex isokay.
But we are believers, we arefollowers of Jesus Christ, we
are supposed to be set apartfrom the world, and so we can't
think like the world or movelike the world does, and we are
foreigners literally foreignersto this land, and so it's really

(08:16):
hard, so it's really hard.
So sex is a sacred gift fromGod and it's designed for
marriage to reflect intimacy,unity and purpose.
Sex has a purpose.
Yeah.
Well, sex is and it's not justfor pleasure.

Walter (08:34):
No, it was never something that was meant to be
specifically for pleasure You'renot saying that you should not
enjoy it, but it was really.
I think we, um the world,approached sex from the
perspective of it beingpleasurable.
So that's when you introducetoys and you start looking at
the p word and you startintroducing all of these things

(08:57):
and um, unfortunately, you evenhave christians that do swaps
and, like we, get heavy intostuff that they do because
they're only seeking to feedtheir flesh when in our reality,
it's all about intimacy.

Shanea (09:16):
And we are taught, as believers, not to feed our flesh
.

Walter (09:19):
Yeah, so you can't go into this feeding your flesh.
And it says we're talking aboutthis.
The enemy distorts sex tocreate spiritual bondage,
distractions and generationalconsequences.

Shanea (09:31):
Absolutely so.
You having sex is not just foryour own pleasure.
No.
But you having sex hasconsequences.
Mm-hmm.
Consequences.

Walter (09:40):
Yeah.

Shanea (09:41):
That people don't understand spiritually.

Walter (09:43):
Sex isn't just something physical, it is a spiritual,
it's a spiritual thing yeah,because I mean unknowingly,
every time you have sex withsomeone, you're entering into
some type of spiritual contractyeah, covenant contract covenant
um.
You're feeding your flesh,you're feeding that spirit of
lust.
You're feeding that spirit oflust, you're feeding that spirit

(10:04):
of perversion, as well as otherthings being attached to you as
you're laying down with thesedifferent partners.

Shanea (10:10):
Yeah, so you unknowingly attach yourself to sexual sin.

Walter (10:16):
Yeah, and whatever they're dealing with, whatever
they're struggling with, youbegin to struggle with and you
begin to deal with it, becausesexual or sex is something that
is spiritual, it literally is.
You're linking together yourbodies, your soul, it.

Shanea (10:34):
It is really dangerous yeah, so one of the things that
paul was talking about is howsex is.
Something is sex.
You can commit sexual sin.
You're creating sin inside yourown self, like in your.
You're inserting sin in yourbody Like everything else is

(10:56):
external, you know, but sinsexual sex is internal.
Like it affects you, affectsyour bloodline and it affects
you in so many different ways.

Walter (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, because you're creating illegal
covenants.
And even though we've changedin modern day times, we have to
remember that when this this wasinitially created, sex was how
people became together as oneand it's how they solidified

(11:31):
their marriage exactly.

Shanea (11:32):
It was through.

Walter (11:33):
That's how they consummated their marriage, yeah
, and that created that covenantwith them.
The danger comes with notunderstanding that you can
create illegal, illegalcovenants and we talked about
this before.
Then you can have yourself in asituation where there's no
protection.
So you nowadays have so manypeople that are having sex with

(11:57):
multiple people throughout theirlifetime sometimes multiple
people at the same time andyou're creating these
illegitimate contracts with allof these different people, and
so let's dive in.
I feel like we already started,but let's dive in.
Where do we start first?

Shanea (12:13):
Well, I was just looking at um uh first Corinthians, uh
six, 18, uh through 20.
And it says run from sexual sin.
And this is NLT version.
No other sin so clearly affectsthe body as this does, for
sexual immorality is a sinagainst your own body.

(12:36):
Don't you realize that yourbody is the temple of the Holy
Spirit who lives in you and wasgiven to you by God?
You do not belong to yourself,for God brought you with a high
price.
And this kind of goes back tothe last episode where I was
talking about your wombs.

(12:56):
You don't even have rights toyour womb because you do not
belong to yourself.
You belong to God.
Yeah.
You are are property of god yourbody is the temple you're god's
property.

Walter (13:11):
Yeah, okay, kirk franklin.
Yeah, I mean, that's very trueyeah that's very true.
It's really important just tounderstand, I think, when we
start looking at it from thatperspective it shifts things, it
does it should, you're defilingthe temple of God, and so I
think that's the biggest thingwhen you look at sexual
immorality it literally defilesthe temple of God.

Shanea (13:34):
Exactly.

Walter (13:34):
Because you have now become the temple of God.

Shanea (13:37):
Exactly You're defiling your own body, exactly.
You are a property of the mosthigh living God and you have to
act like it.

Walter (13:45):
And I think that's um is that second Corinthians?
That that touches on, uh, lyingdown with a prostitute.

Shanea (13:54):
Oh, I'm not sure.
I don't think I have that inthere.

Walter (13:58):
And that was one of the things that we were reading.
Okay, um, yeah, uh.
Second Corinthians, verse uh.
2 Corinthians 6, verse 14, itsays don't team up with those
who are unbelievers.
How can righteousness be apartner with wickedness?

(14:18):
How can light live withdarkness?
What harmony can there bebetween Christ and the devil?
How can a believer be a partnerwith an unbeliever, and what
union can there be between God'stemples and idols?
We are the temple of the livingGod and this is not what I was

(14:38):
looking for.
But this is what I was lookingfor.
As God said, I will live inthem and walk among them.
I will be their God and theywill be my people.
Therefore, come out from amongunbelievers and separate
yourselves from them, says theLord.
Don't touch their filthy thingsand I will welcome you and I
will be your father and you willbe my sons and daughters, says

(14:59):
the Lord Almighty.
Yeah.
So a couple of things here andthat might have been romans, but
a couple of things here to tonote.
We know that people uh, when inone of the previous episodes
they were really gun holding andbeing relationships that were,
uh, being with unbelievers, andthis is a challenge that people

(15:21):
have to understand that whenpaul was speaking, I believe, in
first corinth 7 and touching onbelievers being with
unbelievers, he was talkingabout people that were already
married and Paul was trying togive wisdom from his perspective
, but not from God's perspective.
Right.
Yet this showcases theimportance of you not even being
tied to an unbeliever at all.
Right.
And because when you're tied toan unbeliever, the consequences

(15:47):
associated with doing that, andso what we have to understand
is, every single time we havesex, we are tying ourselves to
something.

Shanea (15:56):
So, because our body is a temple, when you go into the
house of the Lord, you shouldn'tbring idols with you.
You shouldn't bring darknesswith you.
You shouldn't bring darknesswith you.
It's not allowed.
So you're having someone who'snot a believer enter you or you
enter them.

Walter (16:15):
And you're also doing it already illegally because
you're not even married.
Or, let's take it a stepfurther You're not married to
the person God designed for youto be with, and we don't deal
with a lot of stuff because weare not spiritually inclined, so
we are not familiar with spiritwives spirit spouses.
We're not familiar with the factthat, within the spirit realm,

(16:38):
you literally can be dealingwith things on a demonic scale
that you have no understandingof.
That will kind of wreak chaosin your home.
I know like in you know inother countries they deal with
it a lot because, they're morespiritually inclined than we are
.
We are so heavily logicallybased, here and throughout

(16:59):
Europe, that we don't reallyexperience all of those things.
But this doesn't change thefact we don't experience this.
We don't see the spirit, but weexperienced the natural, but we
don't understand why weexperienced the chaos.

Shanea (17:09):
Right.
So what was coming to me nowwas when God had gave me what we
were going to talk about and hewas saying that sex is a
distraction Right.
And so how I thought about itright now is that if our bodies
are a temple of the Lord right,and the temple is where the

(17:30):
presence of God resides you havea disconnect with the presence
because you're you'redistracting yourself with all
these idols and things in yourtemple.
That stops you, stops thepresence of god from residing in

(17:52):
you enough for you to be ableto recognize hey, the holy
spirit's here, god's here, like.
You know what I mean it's likespiritual congestion yeah
literally, it's nothing butspirit.

Walter (18:05):
Like your spirit.
Life is heavily cluttered witha bunch of stuff.
It's like the scripture that wewas reading I believe it was
Zechariah one of them that Godtook him and he was taken to the
temple and there was stuffwritten on the walls and there
was idolization.
Here there was other gods thatthey had placed in the temple
and God was just showing him themess that they had created
within the temple all the way,even as far as the inner courts

(18:28):
right.

Shanea (18:28):
So like sometimes when you go into church you're like I
don't even feel the presence ofGod here.
That's because he ain't there.

Walter (18:34):
He's not there and we don't understand that.
Yeah, we.
I guess we can, because you gotsome biblical examples here.

Shanea (18:42):
I see we have David and Bathsheba, which is good, really
good yeah, so, um, and just anoverview of sexual sin and
spiritual perversion, um, allthe different spirits of
perversion.
Perversion isn't justperversion, has different
segments of itself.
Yeah, there's different spiritsof perversion that can attach

(19:06):
itself to you that will causeyou to do things that you should
not be doing yeah, the more youoperate in it, the worse it
gets, because it's it requiresyou to feed it more.
So you may start off with justokay, I'm just, I'm having sex
outside of marriage, and thenthat's not enough and then you

(19:27):
dig into deeper categories ofstuff that you would typically
not be, you would typically notdo and and I understand some
people probably might not evenunderstand like that, these are
spirits, um, but we're not goingto dig into demonology today.

Walter (19:46):
Yeah, because they probably would.

Shanea (19:47):
You could kind of look that up on your own, yeah, maybe
one episode, we can touch onthe fact that it is spiritual.

Walter (19:54):
And we're touching on the fact that it's spiritual,
but there's different demonsassociated with different things
.
And so, yeah, it's a wholehierarchy.
Just like it's a hierarchy inheaven.
It's the same thing with theenemy's kingdom.
But David, you know, we know,david was heavily driven by lust

(20:14):
, yeah, to the point like if youread the story and that's what
2 Samuel 11?
.
Mm-hmm.
David went out of his way to getto Bathsheba, including
literally sending her husbandoff to war and putting them on
the front line.
At first he tried to tell himyou know, stay home, because he

(20:36):
had.
He saw Bathsheba and heshouldn't have been looking at
her in the first place becauseshe was up on the roof and she
was cleaning herself she wasunclean.
Yes, it was cleaning herself.
She was unclean.
Yes, it was that cycle, it washer cycle, and he saw her and he
immediately had lust.
Yes, and he wanted her, he was.

(20:56):
He was advised against it, yethe didn't listen.
No.
It was made known that she wasa married woman and that her
husband was out to war andreally respected david so much,
and so, if you know the story,david um ended up laying with
her wife I mean his wife and sheended up getting pregnant yeah.

(21:23):
And then after that, he tried toget her husband to lay with her
, but her husband was socommitted to David he was like
all of the other.
Men aren't at home with theirwives, so I'm not going to be at
home with her either.
I'm going to sit here and I'mgoing to wait.
So finally, david had himplaced on the front line and he

(21:45):
ended up being killed yeah, heknew he was gonna die yeah, he
did that on purpose, hebasically committed murder yes
it started off with lust yeah.

Shanea (21:55):
So lust opens the door for other spirits to enter, so
your uncontrolled desire willcontinue to lead you further and
further away from God Right,and so that lust will carry out.

(22:17):
It's not just affecting you,it's affecting everyone around
you.
So David had children who werealso lustful, even to the point
where they lusted after theirown sisters yeah, but it started
with him it started with thatbecause they, the baby, ended up
being lost um, and then his sonalso murdered his brother

Walter (22:38):
yeah because of the lust well, god for one, and that's
what people don't realize thateven though because, let's be
honest Bathsheba, she birthedFort Solomon.
Yet God told David that he toldhim he would be cursed because
of what he did with the wholesituation with Bathsheba.
And he was cursed and he had todeal with the consequences to

(23:00):
what he did.
Right?
But this is unchecked lust,which is why, um and I think you
may have it in here, uh,matthew 5 and 28, but I say to
you that everyone who looks at awoman with lustful intent has
already committed adultery withher in his heart.
Jesus was trying to teach usdon't even look at it right,

(23:20):
because you're alreadycommitting adultery.
And that's where it begins,because it leads that it's a
seed.
Yes, it's a seed.

Shanea (23:28):
And as long as you keep lusting, it's going to continue
to keep happening and peopledon't really understand what
lust is.
They think that you know, oh,he's just, he's handsome, or?
She's beautiful, or, you know,they don't see that as lust.

Walter (23:47):
Yeah, you should not look upon your brother or your
sister in a particular way, Likeeven with us being married one
of the things that God dealtwith me on earlier on, before we
got married I remember I just Ilooked at someone and I was
like, oh my gosh, she'sbeautiful.
Like I will will always say weweren't together, god told me
what he told me about you and,uh, he, even before the thought

(24:10):
got out, no, what happened is Ithought and I went to tell her
that and God was like stop, andI'm like what?
I'm not doing anything wrong,I'm just saying that she's a
beautiful woman, stop, um.
And I immediately feltconvicted because he made me
aware he's like that's not yourwife, essentially telling me you

(24:31):
shouldn't be looking at.
And I played it off and rightbecause right here.

Shanea (24:35):
Yeah, if you look at a woman with lustful intent, you
already committed adultery, butthe world doesn't.
They're like oh, you can callsomebody beautiful or handsome
or you know, but he got into mybehind.

Walter (24:45):
That was an interesting day.
But he made his lesson knownand I came across the scripture
and I thought back to thatmoment and like, oh okay, I see
what he's saying.
So we shouldn't even be lookingat women or men and people are
not going to like this.
But we shouldn't even belooking at women or men and
saying, oh, they're beautiful orthey're handsome or anything.
No, even be looking at women ormen and saying, oh, they're
beautiful or they're handsome oranything.
No.
And God can get you to a pointto where that you don't do that,

(25:07):
because I don't do that anymore.

Shanea (25:08):
No, and it's like God, help me to see these men and
women as you see them, yeah, asyour sons and your daughters, my
brothers and my sisters.

Walter (25:27):
Exactly, and help me to only have eyes for my wife, or
eyes for my husband, and notlook upon anybody else.
With that, and then recognizingthat when you do, oh, that's
the spirit of lust, and then wenip this in the bud.
So it doesn't grow and festerbecause even when we dig into
relationships, um, you don'tstart off with adultery.
It starts off with a seed beingplanted of lust.
Right.
And the fact is that it nevergoes checked and it just keeps

(25:48):
growing because you keep feedingit, and that's what the enemy
wants.
So I'm looking at this person,I'm looking at that person, I'm
looking at this person, I'mlooking at a movie and I'm
making it known that, oh my gosh, she's, you know, and I'm
looking at this and I'm lookingat that have sex scenes in it,
and I'm looking at movies wherethey're being very sexually
active, and I'm listening tomusic like that and I'm watching
music videos like that, and allof these things, and you're

(26:09):
feeding your flesh and you'refeeding that spirit of lust and
it's growing until the momentcomes when you're put in the
wrong place, yeah, at the wrongtime, and immediately it goes
from there.
So you know, you have here andwe, we gotta keep mind of, be
mindful of time yeah, this mightbe a two-part also, but we'll

(26:31):
see uh.

Shanea (26:32):
Lust distorts how we see others, turning them into
objects of desire instead ofindividuals made in god's image
and, like I said that, thatprayer that you know, god, help
me to see these men and women asyou see them, as your children,
as my brothers and sisters.

Walter (26:48):
And this becomes very dangerous, especially for women,
because when men are insituations where we have things
that's unchecked, we can causeharm.

Shanea (27:01):
Become real dangerous.

Walter (27:02):
Exactly Cause harm, become real, dangerous.

Shanea (27:04):
Exactly Because now you're looking at that woman as
an object instead of like awoman of God or a daughter of
God, and so you approach her assuch and this is why, even when
you know you're out and about oryou're dating and you see
someone you like, you'reattracted to them, you have sex

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and it's like I don't reallyhave no connection no because
you didn't see them, as theyweren't your wife or your
husband in the first place andyou didn't approach them from
the perspective.

Walter (27:35):
You were looking at them from a lustful place.

Shanea (27:37):
Yeah, you treated them like an object.
You treated each other like anobject.

Walter (27:41):
You treated yourself like an object and now you feel
used well, the thing is that alot of times, even when you look
at marriages, that's areflection of those marriages,
because you get into themarriage simply because you want
to have sex with them.
Then that happens and it's like, oh well, I'm gonna have sex
with them, I'm good now yeah,but you, I mean, you don't know
that, but that is what'shappening.

Shanea (28:01):
Yes, that's.

Walter (28:03):
That's essentially what's taking place.
And so moving on fornicationand adultery, sex outside of
marriage.
Where do you want?
To go with this, because it'sdifferent parts in there.
You know, we have homosexuality, we have the P word I don't

(28:27):
know if we can speak, can speakon it or not but we have
self-gratification, essentiallyokay, um, honestly, I I've had
so many where to go right now.

Shanea (28:38):
So, oh, did you put that in there?
What, oh?
The woman called on adultery,mm-hmm.
Jesus offers forgiveness butcommands her to go and sin well,

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it's just basically um.

Walter (29:05):
So there are instances where people feel the enemy will
cause conviction or notconviction, but he will cause
guilt, and by doing sounknowingly, because you've had
sex or you've had multiplepartners, or you were heavily
active or you were abused as achild, some women abused as

(29:32):
teenagers, even abused as adults.
There would be this sense ofconviction that is not from God.
And so you know Jesus washaving this conversation with
her, knowing that she wasn't.
You know she was doing what shewas doing living a very
promiscuous lifestyle.
But he told her hey, listen, notonly do I see you and I forgive

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you and I'm giving you anopportunity to be free of this
lifestyle, but as you go, justsin no more.

Shanea (29:59):
Right, so, and thank you for starting that.
So now I have a thought aboutwhat I should say, because I've
had, you know, people ask like,what do I do now that I've had
sex?
And now I feel shameful and Ifeel guilt and I feel hurt, and

(30:23):
sometimes I feel dirty becauseit wasn't even something I
wanted to do or something that Iwanted to happen to me.
Um, but from right here, jesussays look, just don't do it
anymore.
You can't do it anymore,otherwise, those same feelings,

(30:43):
all those emotions andeverything just going to come
back seven times worse.

Walter (30:48):
And it's just understanding that each time you
do it.
We live in a fallen world.
We live in a fallen world andwe all make mistakes.
People are.
People perish because of thelack of knowledge.
Yeah, it's a lot of stuff wejust don't know yeah and uh,

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there is a within the churchwe've taken upon pagan ways and
so there's a mixture.

Shanea (31:14):
It's very, the church is very mixy that's because there
there's, no, there hasn't been arevelation on what
relationships are supposed tolook like well, there's no
desire because people don't wantto submit it to god yeah so you
can't blame necessarily thecongregation, because they don't
know, because the teachers, thepastors aren't teaching them

(31:35):
right and so they don't evenreally speak on.

Walter (31:40):
They just started really touching on relationships yeah
and even now they still don'treally touch on their
relationships.
So you have to go to the worldand say, okay, what are they
doing with their relationships?

Shanea (31:49):
right because their relationships seem like they're.

Walter (31:51):
They're working, so let's, let's follow the world
then you're like, okay, now youeven have the church and we
talked about this before saying,hey, instead of having sex,
just get married, which is theworst thing ever.
Yes, but the world will tellyou no, just have sex, don't get
married.
It's foolish to get married tosomeone just because you want to
have sex with them right.
They sound right, is it?
They sound better is whatyou're going to say, because you

(32:11):
know.
Marriage versus having sex.

Shanea (32:15):
I would rather just have sex and not to get married to
somebody that I don't want toget married to exactly, or I
don't need to get married eventhough both is wrong yes but no
one is telling you that, and soit's really just understanding
that you made mistakes, and alot of times with women and men.

Walter (32:36):
We see men who and I'm not saying this is the case for
every man, but I've come acrossquite a few men who were or are
now homosexuals, and part of thereason of them being homosexual
is because they were exposed tostuff as children.
They were abused as kids.
Women become promiscuousbecause they were abused as kids

(32:57):
, and so you don't realize thatwhen that took place we talked
about it in the previous episodethe enemy used that trauma to
access you, and now, as you'redoing stuff as adults, it's tied
back to what you went throughas a kid, because you need to be
healed and you need to bedelivered and it's as simple as
that and there's shame.
we touched on before that.

(33:18):
You uh feel as if it's an ideawhere this is how I show love
and this is how people show theylove me, or you lose your voice
right, because you feel shamefor you.

Shanea (33:30):
You're afraid so you don't speak up yeah, because
sometimes they'll tell you look,you can't say nothing, I'm
gonna kill you.
Or you don't speak up.
Yeah, because sometimes they'lltell you look, you can't say
nothing, I'm going to kill you.

Walter (33:37):
Or you don't feel like you should say anything, because
that's how everybody treat you.

Shanea (33:40):
Exactly so.
We dig into so many thingsBecause nobody listens to you
anyway.

Walter (33:43):
Exactly so we can go forth and go forth in that.
Yet and we touched on thisbefore you just got to flee from
sexual morality.
That's what first corinthians 6and 18 say.
You talked about this before.
Every other sin a personcommits is outside of the body,
but sexual immoral person sinsagainst his own body yeah and we

(34:05):
gotta, we have to be mindfulbecause, whether we realize it
or not, and people in the worldeven touches on, this soul ties
yes you talked about guilt, youtalked about shame, and then it
opened up doors to demonicoppression.
We talked about lust, we talkedabout perversion right so
digging into homosexuality somepeople may not like this and I

(34:31):
don't know where the other.

Shanea (34:32):
Oh, there, it is what I was looking for, that Romans
scripture.
So we'll take it to Genesis.
What Genesis 19.

Walter (34:43):
19.
Verse 1 through 13.
Verse 1 through 13.
Mm-hmm.

Shanea (34:48):
And some may not know, but they I'll speak on it let's
talk about.
Well, homosexuality is nothingmore than just a distortion of
God's original design for sex,god's original design for

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relationships and marriage.
We find his original designback in Genesis with Adam and
Eve and.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Relationships and marriage.
We find his original designback in Genesis, genesis 2.

Shanea (35:18):
With Adam and Eve, and here we see Genesis 19, 1
through 13.
Should I read all that?

Walter (35:25):
It's up to you.
You don't have to.

Shanea (35:29):
Okay, well, basically there were two angels that came
to Lot to tell him to get out ofthe city, and the town was so
full of sexual immorality.
They were kind of just doingwhatever they wanted to do.
It was men having sex with men,women having sex with women,

(35:54):
all kind of stuff.

Walter (35:55):
The stench reached heaven.

Shanea (35:57):
Yes, and God was very, very upset.
But he got even more upset whenhe sent two angels to get Lot
and told him to leave.
And the men from the town werelike, can we sleep with them?

Walter (36:13):
They tried to sleep with the angels.

Shanea (36:15):
They tried to sleep with the angels.

Walter (36:15):
They tried to sleep with the angels and Lot had to
protect the angels.

Shanea (36:18):
He even offered his own daughters to a mob of men.
That's how horrible that townof sexual immorality was.

Walter (36:31):
Well, that's how much even Lot didn't realize it had
infiltrated him.

Shanea (36:34):
Yes, because he was around it.

Walter (36:37):
it was like normal and later on, I believe, if I'm not
mistaken, his daughter's had sexwith them oh yeah, his
daughters had sex with them andthey created children it was
just gross just being in thatenvironment, that lustful
environment.
So you have to be real careful,yeah, about what you're doing
you may, you may not like this,um, I'm sorry, no matter how you

(37:00):
and this is not to judge anyone, it's just, this is bible.
Homosexuality is not somethingthat is of god it's not natural.
It's not natural.
It's something that is more sospiritual.
Yeah, there are those that saythat they were born that way,
and we do agree.

Shanea (37:20):
You are.

Walter (37:20):
You can be, because it's something that is connected to
the bloodline.
It has to be broken Exactly,and so it's just the reality.
The Bible is against it.
I know it touched on it.

Shanea (37:31):
Homosexuality is another spirit of perversion, yeah, and
homosexuality is another spiritof perversion, yeah, it's just
a perversed spirit.

Walter (37:37):
And that's Romans 1 for those, not only Sodom and
Gomorrah, but Romans 1 in theNew Testament.
Paul touches on it.
Key scripture here is Romans 1,26 through 27.
For this reason, God gave themup to dishonorable passions.
And so Paul touches on this allthroughout Romans.
Yeah.
Go ahead, babe, you can go evendeeper.

Shanea (37:58):
Romans one, because if you read a little bit before
that um, you wanna you talkabout verse?

Walter (38:09):
uh, we can start at 24 24.

Shanea (38:13):
So romans 1 24.
So god abandoned them to dowhatever shameful things their
hearts desired.
As a result, they did vile anddegrading things with each
other's bodies.
They traded the truth about godfor a lie, so they worshiped
and served the things Godcreated instead of the creator

(38:35):
himself, who is worthy ofeternal praise.
Amen.
That is why God abandoned themto their shameful desires, even
though even the women turnedagainst the natural way to have
sex and instead indulged in sexwith each other, and the men,
instead of having normal sexualrelations with women, burned
with lust with each other, andthe men, instead of having

(38:55):
normal sexual relations withwomen, burned with lust for each
other.

Walter (39:00):
Men did shameful things, and other men with other men,
and as a result of this sin,they suffered within themselves
the penalty they deserved yeah,I mean, you may not like it, but
that's scripture now, um, thisdoesn't give us the right to uh,

(39:22):
hate people, no, or attackpeople or shame people or shame
people.
Sin is sin.
Uh, I think romans 2, is itromans 2 even?

Shanea (39:32):
when you go back, when you go to uh romans 2 after this
, after he talks about all thesin uh romans 2 1.
Um, you may think you cancondemn such people, but you are
just as bad and you have noexcuse.
When you say they are wickedand you and should be punished,
you are condemning yourself, foryou, who judge others, do these

(39:54):
very same things, and we knowthat god in his justice, will
punish anyone who does suchthings.
It's like you're also living insexual immorality.

Walter (40:04):
Yeah, you just instead you just having sex.
As a man, you're having sexwith a woman.
As a woman, you're having sexwith a man but you will sit
there and you will judge someonewho's in the?
Same sex relationship, yeah, orwhatever the case may be, as if
you're any better.
You're just as bad, yes and so,um, it's understanding that
this is all spiritual and thisis all something that is a plan

(40:24):
of the enemy attacking god'soriginal design for marriage,
for relationship, for sex, whichwas to produce godly offsprings
yes it's a a greater form ofintimacy yes that god created
within the right context and youknow using it within the right
context, it will cause you toblossom, it will cause you to

(40:45):
grow together.
You're supposed to become one,you're supposed to become
connected, and so that's justsomething to think about.

Shanea (40:53):
Right, because the original purpose and design for
sex is for you to be fruitfuland multiply for God, to create
little mini images of God, andyou can't do that in a same sex
relationship.

Walter (41:10):
Yeah.

Shanea (41:11):
You can't do that, just lusting after someone right you
can't do that, just um lookingat p.
Okay, you can't say that worduh, I don't know I just see
people using saying p word, butI don't know why.
I don't know, we'll justwhatever, we'll just go with it

(41:34):
uh, you can't do that.

Walter (41:34):
Looking at those things yeah and so um the the greatest
thing that we're supposed to doas believers within the context
of marriage is replicate whatgod did with adam and eve yeah
adam and eve was supposed toreplicate what god had created
through them.

Shanea (41:55):
And create more images like him, exactly, because they
were created in his image,exactly.

Walter (42:00):
And so we dig into.
So I know well, yeah, we talkedabout this Onan's sin, Genesis
38, 8 through 10.
That's digging into the P wordin masturbation, Right,
Self-gratification is the bestway that we can put it.

Shanea (42:19):
Exactly.

Walter (42:20):
Because that is a huge industry and I mean we're not
looking to monetize this.
I don't know if we can orcannot say it no.

Shanea (42:27):
I mean, I guess we're not looking to monetize it, and
if I mean not this episodeanyway, yeah, so pornography.

Walter (42:34):
Yes, a lot of people struggle with that heavily.
That's when you look at thenumbers, it's just really
ridiculous, especiallyspecifically within the church.

Shanea (42:44):
Yeah.

Walter (42:45):
People struggle with it.
It's a way that they look toplease themselves instead of
having sex.

Shanea (42:50):
Yeah, but they look at it, people think that is not
really anything wrong with it.

Walter (42:54):
Think about it like this Because you're not hurting
anyone when you're sitting therelooking at pornography and
you're sitting there goingthrough self-gratification.
Think about it like this it isdemons that's there with you,
that is literally watching youpartake in this.
And it's demons that are therewith them as they're doing what
they're doing.

Shanea (43:13):
Because it's all influential.
Yes, so some something istelling you in your ear.
Hey, you know what you shouldplease yourself yep, you should
watch this you should look thisup, that is, those are demons,
those are spirits.
If you have that thought,that's not god.

Walter (43:27):
That's not god something if you have any thoughts that
are not of god.

Shanea (43:32):
It's not god, it's demons.

Walter (43:34):
I think people struggle with understanding, like they
don't have their own thoughts.
It's all being influenced bysomething.

Shanea (43:39):
Exactly.

Walter (43:40):
Even if it's the culture , the culture is being
influenced by something.
Even if it's the church.
The church is being influencedby something.

Shanea (43:46):
Those thoughts just don't come out of anywhere.

Walter (43:48):
And so it says that.
Verse 18, you can read this.
It says Then Judah said to Erz,brother of Onan, go and marry
Tamar.
As our law requires of thebrother of a man who has died.
You must produce an heir foryour brother.
But Onan was not willing tohave a child who would not be
his own heir.
So whenever he had intercoursewith his brother's wife, he

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spilled the semen on the ground.
This prevented her from havinga child who would belong to his
brother.
But the Lord considered it evilfor Onan to deny a child to his
dead brother.
So the Lord took Onan's lifetoo.

Shanea (44:25):
Yeah, took his life.

Walter (44:29):
Self-gratification is not good.

Shanea (44:31):
Because God's purpose and design is to what Create
more images of him.

Walter (44:40):
godly offsprings and so it's just really something that
we have to be mindful of, um aswe go through all throughout all
of this.

Shanea (44:50):
Where do you want to go from here, babe, because we've
been touching on a lot of goodstuff yeah, I mean we could keep
going and we don't have to gofrom here, babe, because we've
been touching on a lot of goodstuff.
Yeah, I mean we could keep goingand we don't have to go super,
super deep, because we couldtotally get deep about this, but
we can move on.
You know, if anybody has anyquestions or debates or thoughts
, you could leave a comment.
Please leave a comment.

(45:13):
We could touch on it some more,but the whole, but the the main
thing with pornography andmasturbation is the fact that it
warps your view of whatintimacy.
What intimacy is it fuels thatother spirit of lust, right and

(45:39):
then it creates this type ofaddiction For men.
I'll say it like this Because ofthe gratification.

Walter (45:46):
I'll say it like this, because I struggled with it for
some time Men, it began to shift, and I believe this happened
with women too.
It began to shift yourperspective of women and you
start looking at women in aparticular way.
You start looking at women asan object, you start looking at
a woman as a means to please youand then, on top of that,
because it's something that wasnot intended for God is

(46:07):
impossible for you to be pleasedby that said woman because you
become used to that and that isnot real.
I'm sorry, you just got to seeit as it is and I think when we
start looking at it from thatperspective it shifts us.
That's somebody's child.
That's someone's daughter thathas those things going through
her and a lot of those women inthose situations don't want to

(46:29):
go through that.
I don't care what you tell me,I don't care what they try to
say.
I don't believe any woman wantto be in that situation.
I believe it's from trauma.
I believe it's some type oftrauma she's experienced.
I don't believe it's naturalfor men to want to do that.
There's something that thosemen are dealing with that make
them want to be in thosepositions.
Yeah, it's just the reality ofwhat it is.

Shanea (46:49):
Yeah, because it's not natural.
It's not, but even the churchwill tell you you know, don't
have sex.
So then now you have Christianswho are saying that they're
abstinent and they're sustainingfrom sex, but they're having
sex with themselves.

Walter (47:08):
Yeah, they have toys.
You have toys.
You have all these things thatare not natural and it opens you
up still to spirits.
And.
I don't think people and we'renot going to dig into it, but I
don't think people understandthat you can get to a point, to
where you can have a spirit ademon that is having sex with
you.

Shanea (47:26):
Right.
So now you're having thesesexual dreams, sexual encounters
in your dream, and so you'rewanting to be in a relationship.
But then when you get in thatrelationship, you're wanting up
to be in a relationship, butthen when you get in that
relationship, you you're kind ofblinded and distracted because
you have this spirit of lust onyou so you don't even know if
this person is really really forme, because I can't hear,
because I keep putting stuff inmy temple that shouldn't be

(47:48):
there and then they've statedbefore yeah, I don't, they don't
you dig in the spirit wives andspirit husbands, spirit spouses
.

Walter (47:56):
They wreak havoc in your relationships because they're
jealous.

Shanea (47:59):
You even have spirit children.
You're having dreams that youhave a whole family.
It's not a dream.
God is just showing you.
Hey, this is what's going onthat you can't see in the
natural.
So your dreams are God's voicespeaking to, speaking to you.

Walter (48:16):
Hey, this is what's going on and I need you to do
something about it and this isnot to bring fear or instill
fear in anyone, it's just reallyto uh, open up your eyes.
The seriousness, of sex outsideof marriage because we just was
taught don't have sex outsideof marriage.
But we never.
We weren't taught the why weweren't.

(48:37):
We just thought, okay, you knowSTDs, right, you don't want to
get an STD.
But we never understood thespiritual implementations of
what you were doing and what youwere connecting yourself to.

Shanea (48:47):
Yeah, you're connecting yourself to people and you don't
, and this is why it's soimportant to have a relationship
with God and be in a placewhere he can say hey, I want you
to be with this person, becauseI know what this person is
capable of.
I know what this person has beenthrough.
I know what this person isgoing to do.
I know them, I know them.

(49:09):
So you're laying down withsomeone and you don't know their
past trauma.
So you're laying down withsomeone and you don't know their
past trauma.
You don't know what they'regoing to be doing five years
from now, two years from now,three years from now.
You don't know what they didfive minutes before you started
having sex.

Walter (49:24):
No.
Sometimes and you areconnecting yourself to all of
that and you're connectingyourself to them.

Shanea (49:29):
This person might be dealing with suicidal thoughts.
This person might be dealingwith depression.
You don't know what this personis dealing with suicidal
thoughts.
This person might be dealingwith depression.
You don't know what this personis dealing with a heavy level
of perversion, there may be aspirit of murder.

Walter (49:41):
On them, exactly.
There's all of these different,so you're having sex with this
person.

Shanea (49:45):
And now you're angry, you have, you're anxious, you're
depressed, you're thinkingabout doing stuff you shouldn't
be doing you're looking at theopposite sex and you don't even
know why you're attracted to aman.
When you were laying withsomebody because they just laid
with somebody who was in ahomosexual relationship.

Walter (50:03):
It goes so deep you guys , when I tell you it digs in and
I know it sounds crazy, but itgoes deep and a lot of times
people will be like you know,they'll start saying things that
the other person is saying.
It sounded like the otherperson and they think, oh, it's
just because I was around them.
No, that's spiritual, that is aspiritual.

Shanea (50:19):
That's impartation it's impartation, and so well, and
they'll eat us up for this,because they're like oh, it's
not in the bible, but it issexual immorality there.

Walter (50:28):
That's all it is paul talks about you being mindful of
what you tie yourself to, and II need to find that scripture,
but you can go ahead, babe.

Shanea (50:37):
Yeah, being mindful of what you tie yourself to.
But whatever is in your heartis going to come out naturally
and manifest.

Walter (50:42):
Yeah, and that's Proverbs.
Did you put that in there?

Shanea (50:44):
I put it in there somewhere, I don't know.
It's in my notes.

Walter (50:46):
Okay.

Shanea (50:51):
Continue.

Walter (50:52):
So where are we going to now?

Shanea (50:54):
wherever you want, wherever the Lord leads, okay,
because um oh, this is good, howsexual sin distracts you from
God's will, which we kind oftouched about earlier on in the
episode.
But this specific example ofSamson and Delilah, how the

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enemy will use sex to divertpeople from their God-given
purpose, yeah Right, how sexwill literally blind you.

Walter (51:28):
You did that with Samson .

Shanea (51:30):
Yes.

Walter (51:31):
You did that with Samson .

Shanea (51:31):
He will literally blind you spiritually.
You will lose your vision, youwill lose God's presence, you
won't be able to see what'sreally going on because you're
distracted by the spirit of lust, the spirit of perversion,
because you want to get yourrocks off.
Yeah, and you see that withSamson and Delilah.

Walter (51:51):
He was so caught up in that girl.

Shanea (51:53):
He was so caught up in that girl and he told her
something he was not supposed totell anybody he lost his
eyesight?

Walter (51:58):
He wasn't supposed to tell anybody that.

Shanea (51:59):
Lost all his spiritual power.

Walter (52:01):
That was a covenant that he made.

Shanea (52:04):
Yes, think about it.

Walter (52:06):
That was a spiritual covenant that he made and, to
the point of what we was talkingabout earlier, that's actually
1 Corinthians 6, beginning at 15.
And did we read?

Shanea (52:17):
there we read first corinthians uh, I think 16 do
something, I don't remember okay.

Walter (52:21):
So it says don't you?
Did you read this?
Don't you realize that yourbodies are actual, actually
parts of christ?
Should a man take his body,which is a part of christ, and
join it to a prostitute?

Shanea (52:32):
no, how do you read it?
Okay, yeah verse 15.

Walter (52:33):
This is for you.
Do you read it?
Okay, yeah, verse 15.
This is for you, who you know.
Question all of that First,corinthians, chapter six, verse
15 through verse 20.
Don't you realize that yourbodies are actually parts of
Christ?
Should a man take his body,which is part of Christ, and
join it to a prostitute?
Never, mm-hmm, for thescripture says the two are

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united into one, but the personwho is joined to the Lord is one
spirit with him.
Run from sexual sin.
No other sin so clearly affectsthe body as this one does.
Mm-hmm.
For sexual immorality is a sinagainst your own body.
Don't you realize that yourbody is the temple of the Holy
Spirit, who lives in you and wasgiven to you by God?
You do not belong to yourself,for God bought you with a high

(53:28):
price.
So you must honor God with yourbody.

Shanea (53:31):
I think I said the same thing, but it's different.
Is that New King James or the?

Walter (53:36):
NLT too.

Shanea (53:37):
Nlt.
Yeah, I remember we talkedabout this about.
If you're not joining yourselfwith God's spirit, then whose
spirit or spirits are youjoining yourself to?
So if they ask, where is thisat biblically?
That is it.

Walter (53:52):
Yeah, and this digs into the fact and we touched on this
before that you can connectyourself and be and create a
covenant outside of the will ofgod.
Yeah, you can, but what you gotto understand is, every time
you're doing this, you're,you're literally connecting
yourself, but this is illegal.
That paul was touching on.
This is not paul saying that,oh, the two become one, in a

(54:14):
sense of what god said, right,this the two become one
illegally.
Yes, illegally exactly illegallyso people, we, we, we have to
say this every time you have sex, every time you lay down with
someone, you are illegallyconnecting yourself to somebody
else yeah, if it's not god'soriginal design, you laying down

(54:37):
with someone does make you oneit's just not in the sense of
the way god designed it to be noit's like a.
Once again, it's an unequally itdoesn't make you one with god's
spirit, no, if his spirit's notthere it doesn't make you one
in that sense um, it's aconnection, it's a soul tie yeah
it's a I don't know how else toexplain it, but just saying

(54:59):
it's an illegal covenant withinthe spirit realm it's like a
backdoor covenant yeah, and nowyou keep making all these
covenants with all these peoplethat you're having sex with and
who they had sex with now yougot to go through the process of
all of that stuff being broken,which it can be, yes, but it's
a process and it's not easy.
So where do we go from here?

(55:20):
I know we did that.
Uh, let's see.
And we are pressed for timeyeah, um what do you want to
touch on now?
Because we done touched on that, but some good stuff yeah um,
let's see and we deal with thisweek to week everyone.

(55:45):
It's just it'd be so muchinformation that we've been
trying to get to you all.

Shanea (55:48):
Yeah, and we wish we could do these at 30 minutes but
it's just so much informationand we can go even deeper, but
this is just.
These are just segues for youto take back to the Lord and say
, hey God, I had a questionabout this.
Or you guys just write us inthe comments.

Walter (56:08):
But it's also that you want to go study on your own
time.
Spend time with the Lord.

Shanea (56:13):
Reflect on everything, so you can have your own
revelation.

Walter (56:15):
Yeah, because we can speak to you about this as much
as we want.

Shanea (56:19):
Yeah.

Walter (56:20):
True change comes through revelation.
You have to have a revelationand once you have that
revelation, that's what bringfor change.
Right?
If you don't have therevelation, you're not going to
change.
Right, the power is in therevelation, right.
But if we got about 10 moreminutes, babe, what do you want
to touch on?
What do you think we can touchon?
That would be important to giveprior to closing up where did

(56:41):
we just stop at um Second two?
Yes.

Shanea (56:46):
Okay, I think we kind of talked about three already.

Walter (56:52):
Yeah.
The bondage associated.
We did.
We've touched on generationalconsequences with sex and
bloodlines, but if you want todo an overview of that, you can
Really just to drive that home.
And I guess what comes to mindand we touched on this, um,
hopefully people don't becomeoffended, so I know this within

(57:13):
the body of christ, um, thereare uh many, uh quote-unquote
brothers that struggle withhomosexuality mm-hmm and by that
I mean african-american menyeah it is a lot so we're
talking about how um sexualimmorality travels through your

(57:33):
bloodline.
Yeah, and so I would alwaysquestion, because I see some of
the you know, praise and worshipleaders, they struggle with it.
Some of the leaders, uh, theystruggle with it.
Pastors, preachers, theystruggle with it.
It's heavily on them.
Um, either they they partook inthat lifestyle and was brought
out of it and still strugglewith it pastors, preachers, they
struggle with it is heavily onthem, um, either they they
partook in that lifestyle andwas brought out of it and still
struggle with it or whatever I'mlike.
Okay, god, what is this comingfrom?
Why is this?

(57:53):
Why is this?
And I came across this videoand, of course, you know I'm a.
I was a history major and soI'm huge into historical stuff,
right, uh, and you know you cando your research.
Yet, uh, there is a time andthey try to switch this out to
indenture servitude.
But it was not that no, it wasnot during the time of slavery,
which was over 300 years, inthis, in this country.

(58:15):
Uh, there is a desire to breakdown the black man to emasculate
him so there were things.
There were abuse that he wentthrough by way of the slave
masters sexual abuse like heavysexual abuse, exposing them to

(58:36):
stuff that they should not havebeen exposed to, trying to break
them and destroy their spiritto where they wouldn't fight
against them.
And, um, there was one storywhere a guy was tied to the bed,
um, and forced to continue toperform acts, uh, with the slave
master.
And so now, when you begin tolook at that, it's like, okay,

(58:59):
now it's in the bloodline.
Yeah, it started in thebloodline.

Shanea (59:03):
They did the same thing with women.
Yeah, they were so ummesmerized by the way that their
bodies were shaped um, contraryto what the non-colored women's
bodies look like, and theywould just parade them around,
make them dance, do all kind ofthings that were, and now you
fast forward and you see what,the music industry, blah, blah,

(59:25):
blah, all of those things.

Walter (59:26):
And so when that made me realize, in just general, it's
deeper, because they go fromgeneration to generation to
generation and then you don'trealize what's in your bloodline
so now it's culture you exposeyourself to something, whatever
that may be, and that small,that small sense of exposure or
whatever opens up, quote unquote, pandora's box.

(59:47):
And now you're dealing with amajor situation, because it was
never broken in the bloodline,it was never destroyed in the
bloodline and it kept followinguntil the next person touched it
or even slightly cracked openthat door, cracked open that
door, and it happens by way oflike molestation or rape or
something like that.
A lot of times these menstruggle because they were

(01:00:11):
touched, yes, or they had sometype of sexual encounter as a
child or you even have where theenemy would just come and speak
a word yeah, and because it wasthere, it caused you to
question your identity yes andso and that goes with women too
and that's the.

Shanea (01:00:26):
The major thing with the enemy is that he will always
try to destroy your, your, yourimage, your identity, because
we're supposed to be made in theimage of christ yeah, so it's
almost.

Walter (01:00:36):
It's almost like a mockery to god, yeah, that he
tries to destroy your identity.
So we have that um that digsinto generational consequences.
I know you have here um eli'ssons.
Uh, did you want to touch onthat?
It's first samuel 2, 22 through25, oh yeah, because they

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defiled the temple.

Shanea (01:00:57):
Yeah, they defiled the temple.
So basically, they were umsexually assaulting women, and I
don't know how young thesewomen were or not, but they were
sexually assaulting them in thetemple of the Lord and they
were cursed.

Walter (01:01:10):
And their dad was cursed and their dad, he destroyed
every last one of them.

Shanea (01:01:15):
And he told them through Samuel.
He told Eli yeah, they were allgoing to die.

Walter (01:01:19):
Yes, Because Eli didn't do anything about it.

Shanea (01:01:23):
No.

Walter (01:01:23):
He said you turned your head to what they were doing
Exactly.

Shanea (01:01:26):
So it just got worse and worse and worse, and so that's
that not addressing the issues,yeah, and it just flowing and
getting worse and worse andworse.

Walter (01:01:37):
So sinful sexual patterns can lead to spiritual
and physical barrenness.

Shanea (01:01:41):
Right.

Walter (01:01:42):
Affecting future generations.

Shanea (01:01:44):
It's deep, and it goes so deep, and we it's deep, it
goes so deep, we can go so deep.

Walter (01:01:52):
If you want to look into that, you got Galatians 6 and 7
.
It touches on whatever you sowup you're going to reap.

Shanea (01:01:59):
You're always going to reap that harvest.

Walter (01:02:01):
Exodus 25, it says I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous
God and visiting the iniquityof the fathers on the children
that your consequences will fallupon your children.
Yes.
And your children's children.
Yes, and your children'schildren's children.

Shanea (01:02:18):
Mm-hmm, and it will just go on and on and on.
So you have to think about allthe patterns happening in your
family.

Walter (01:02:25):
Yeah.

Shanea (01:02:26):
Where there has been so much sexual sin.

Walter (01:02:29):
It makes you start thinking about it, because even
me, I had to look back and say,okay, what is this tied to?
Why is this the case?
Why?

Shanea (01:02:36):
is that the case?

Walter (01:02:37):
Because there's things that has to be broken by the
blood of Jesus Christ.
There's covenants that has tobe renounced and people will get
you to believe.
Oh, just speak the blood andeverything is fine.
No, there's covenants that haveto be renounced.

Shanea (01:02:49):
Yeah, like I when I tell people, like heaven is a court
system, the spirit realm is acourt system, just like we have
a court system here on earth.
Earth mimics everything thathas already happened or is
happening in the heavens.
God is our ultimate judge.
There's a court system.
There's a host.

Walter (01:03:10):
This didn't come out of nowhere.
The way they have the courtsystems set up.
And that's what we have tounderstand.
This didn't come from people.
Just think that people havethese thoughts and man is just
so like full of thoughts andthey just create these things
out of there out of nothing.
And it's like no, that's notthe case, it comes from
somewhere.
Whether it be light or dark, itcomes from somewhere, whether it

(01:03:31):
be from the kingdom of light,the kingdom of heaven, god, the
Holy Spirit, jesus Christ, orwhether it be by way of the
enemy, the kingdom of darkness.

Shanea (01:03:41):
Exactly so.
You have to look at theheavenly realm like a court
system.
It's literally a legal system.
So you have to look at theheavenly realm like a court
system.
It's literally a legal systemso you have to plead your case.
You got to dig up your evidence.
Yeah, why is this cyclehappening continuously in my
family?
yeah like in my family, a familyof rape, molestestation, abuse,

(01:04:04):
domestic abuse, violence, whyyou got to go all the way back.
What covenants was made?
Who was in occult?
Who was a Freemason, who was anEastern Star, who was in
witchcraft?

Walter (01:04:15):
I don't know if you can say the R word.
Can we say the R word?
What, what you just said?

Shanea (01:04:20):
Oh.

Walter (01:04:21):
But continue.
I don't know.
I have to look at what we canand cannot say it's not being
monetized, but yeah, you got tolook and see what these I say a
sexual assault, sexual assault,yeah, what that stems from, what
all of these things stem frombecause, um, you really don't
know what it stems from, youreally don't know what it's
connected to and you want tostop it for future generations.

(01:04:44):
Stop it from affecting orimpacting your children because
I look it stops with you yeah,because I look back, even in my
my uh blunt line and I see thatit was a pattern with my father,
with my mother, with mygrandfather, my grandmother.
It was a pattern that continuedall the way to us it's like a
pattern, pattern, pattern,pattern and so it's like an

(01:05:05):
inevitable, and it just gotworse with that regeneration I
think with me it was just Ididn't understand the spiritual
implementations of it at thetime, but I'm like, from a
natural perspective, I just I'mlike, okay, I can't be that, I
can't let that continue yeah butnow understanding the spirit is
like okay, we attack it in thespirit, through prayer and

(01:05:25):
through having allowing god totake us to the process of
renewing our mind exactly, andbecoming who god has called us
to be, which is heirs, heirs wethat's what we are.
We are heirs so and so, and it'sit's heirs to the kingdom is
heirs of the father and so it'simportant to understand that.
So I think you have the process, uh, this part of modesty

(01:05:52):
purity.

Shanea (01:05:54):
You want to touch on that oh yeah, I was just um
gonna go through.
I like the importance of it.
I guess, just breaking freefrom all of that, breaking free
from all those breaking fromfrom spiritual sexual immorality
, first you have to what?
Confess and be cleansed, johnfirst, john one through nine, or

(01:06:19):
first john, verse nine, and Iwon't read it because be a
little pressed for time butconfess your sins so that you
can be cleansed to move forward.
And you just talked aboutrenewing your mind, which is
Romans 12, to renewing your mindin Christ, allowing God to tell
you who you are and not theenemy to tell you who you are.

(01:06:41):
Because a lot of times ouridentity has been wrapped up in
our sexual immorality right, ourtrauma, our hurt.
Our identity is wrapped andmorphed by the world.

Walter (01:06:56):
People that you surround yourself with family, friends,
you become that.
We talked about it the othernight.
It become learned behavior.

Shanea (01:07:04):
Yes, it's learned behavior.

Walter (01:07:05):
It's learned behavior.

Shanea (01:07:06):
Yes, it's learned behavior, it's influenced
behavior and then walking in thespirit, so being allowed to be
guided by the Holy Spirit.
That's Galatians 5, 16.
And then I wanted to touch onmodesty, or basically your

(01:07:26):
appearance.
Right, modesty is nothing morethan a reflection of the heart,
and I think that's Mark 7.
I had to go back and look andsee.

Walter (01:07:43):
I know we touched on the reflection of the heart.
Was that in Proverbs too?
But you're not talking aboutthat scripture, right?

Shanea (01:07:47):
I'm not talking about that scripture yes, that
scripture but there's anotherscripture that I came upon and
it's in Mark Dang.
I'm sorry, I have so many notes.

Walter (01:08:04):
You're talking about Mark 7, 20?
I can't find it.
It says uh and this is the nivwhat comes out of a person is
what defiles them, for it isfrom within, out of a person's
heart, that evil thoughts come.
Sexual immorality, theft,murder, adultery, greed, malice,

(01:08:27):
deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly All these
evils come from inside anddefiles a person.
That was Jesus speaking.

Shanea (01:08:38):
So it's like your outward appearance is a
reflection of what's going oninside of you Subconsciously,
yeah, and you may not know it,but you dress provocatively
because you have maybe a spiritof lust or you have a spirit of
you know.
Perversion rejection.

(01:09:01):
Exactly Something thattriggered you to continue to
walk in this way.

Walter (01:09:11):
And then you.
We talked about there being astench.
You attract.

Shanea (01:09:14):
You attract it?
What?

Walter (01:09:16):
you're giving off Both men and women.

Shanea (01:09:19):
Yeah, and sometimes it's not even your fault.
You might've been touched orsomething done to you while you
were a kid, but it lingered withyou.
That's why you can move to adifferent state, you can go to a
different school, you can datea different person, you could
talk to a different person, andthey'll all treat you the same
way.
You'll always end up in thiscycle of feeling ashamed or

(01:09:42):
guilt, or nasty or dirty, or youknow.
That's nothing but the enemy so,and then it shapes your
identity, so you start to dresslike how you feel on the inside
so we have to be mindful yeah,and the other thing was um
dressing in a way, because thiswas men and women.
Um, because men walk aroundwith their shirts on or their

(01:10:04):
boxers on Instagram and thewomen, they got their breasts
out.

Walter (01:10:09):
It's so weird.
Let me go ahead and say this,and then I'm going to let my
wife go because we press fortime.
Men, I'm sorry, please.
It's weird when men be postingthirst trap pictures and videos.
That's very weird.
It really makes it seem as ifyou are seeking attention, like
women seek attention but it'sjust a spirit of perversion.

(01:10:32):
I know, but it's it's weird tome, you don't.

Shanea (01:10:35):
You think it's innocent, but it is really like a spirit
of perversion, and then it justfurther perpetuates um the
spirit of homosexuality, becausenow, like men, you don't have
just men, women looking at you,you have men looking at you also
you know, and it's like womenyou are, your audience is women,
but you're doing all thesevideos with um, like these

(01:10:57):
dressing videos with outfits andstuff like that.
But you're putting on outfits,you're showing us your underwear
, like your bra and your panties, then you want to put on, you
know, a shirt, you want to puton a skirt and then you want to
show your outfit, like I don'tneed to see your naked body
before you put your clothes on.
You could just show me theoutfit.

Walter (01:11:17):
They'll be mad at that.

Shanea (01:11:18):
I don't care, because it perpetuates a spirit of
perversion and it makes you feelI don't know how am I supposed
to say this, but it entices youto continue to look at a body
you're not supposed to belooking at and it grooms you
into looking.

Walter (01:11:37):
It's not natural and especially for women who are
believers.
The Bible tells us just womenand men.
You never want to do somethingthat will cause your brother or
your sister to fall into sin.
Yes.
And so that's both parties,because I know men talk about it
a lot with women.
Yet men, you have to be mindfulas well.
Also, you can't go out herewith your chest hairs out and

(01:11:58):
all that stuff you got to bemindful of how you carry
yourself.
Exactly these skin, tightshirts when you're trying to
show off your muscles and all ofthose things.
I'm sorry you got.
You got to be mindful too,because women in the church be
looking at that as well.
You ain't no different thanthose women.

Shanea (01:12:11):
And a lot of men and a lot of women I know who are.
They say that they're in Christand they could dress how they
want and God knows them and theyknow that and God knows their
heart.
But it's like you're dressingin a way that can cause another
person to fall into sin.
You're causing someone to lustafter you.
You're causing someone who maybe struggling to you know.

(01:12:33):
It's like dangling a bottle ofalcohol in front of a sober
person.
They've been sober for 18 years,but you're dangling yeah, a
bottle of alcohol, yeahalcoholic, they had an alcohol
addiction and you're justdangling in front of them you
gotta be mindful, but also we'resupposed to be set apart yeah,

(01:12:57):
so we set the examples exactly.
We can't.
We can't look like the world inthe bible.
You know all the priests.
They had a certain attire thatthey had to wear so that people
would know oh, these, thesepeople are people of God.
They don't look like the world.

Walter (01:13:10):
Yeah, that's true.
So we're going to wrap this up.
What are the key points youwant to like?
Do you want to add anythingelse?
Because I see you had a fewthings in here, with modesty,
that you want to touch on beforewe ended out.

Shanea (01:13:23):
No, I think, for right now that's cool to touch on
before we end it out.
No, I think um, for right nowthat's cool.

Walter (01:13:30):
I think I'll probably touch on it later when I speak
more, okay, you know, to myladies, okay, so, um, we touched
on a lot of things today justbe mindful, please be mindful.
Be mindful of our sexualmoralities, sex outside of
marriage, um, exposing yourselfto things that can be negatively

(01:13:50):
impactful to you as believerstaking on pagan-like ways.
Be mindful of all of that stuffbecause it can negatively
impact you and connect you tothings spiritually.
That would not be good for you.
That would make you spirituallysick.

Shanea (01:14:05):
Yeah, I think the thing is Matthew 10, 34 through 36.
If you could find that realquick, matthew 10, 34.
Where the Lord says says don'timagine.

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Is that the lord is speakingbecause I have a high level,
okay, um, don't imagine that Icame to bring peace to the earth
.
I came not to bring peace, buta sword.
I'll come to set man.
Set a man against his father, adaughter against her mother and
a daughter-in-law against hermother-in-law.
Your enemies will be right inyour own household.
So this is saying you have tocome out from among people who
are going to um turn you awayfrom christ or continue to

(01:14:57):
perpetuate your own ideas ofwhat sexual immorality is yeah,
yeah so if you're around peoplewho condone your behavior, who
couldn't know, who aren't, hey,you know, cover yourself up.
Hey, don't have sex with thisperson.
Oh you know, don't do this,don't do that.
If you're around people who areokay with you, just doing
whatever you want to do andthey're not holding you to a

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higher standard because you aregod's children, you have a
higher standard you have to comeup from among them and people
will get mad at you.
It's like why are you nottalking to me?
Why are you not talking to yourmom?
Why are you not talking to yourbrother?
Why are you not talking to yoursister?
And it's because jesus didn'tcome here for that, he said to
come out from among everyonethat would be negatively

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impactful.

Walter (01:15:43):
So I think that's a takeaway so, uh, we pray that
this has been a blessing to youall.
And, babe, you want to end itout?

Shanea (01:15:53):
I did it like comment oh that we do the same thing.
I'm sorry, um, thank you guysfor listening.
Um, we appreciate you guyssupport.
Um, we do see, uh, repeaters inthe comments and and posting on

(01:16:13):
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(01:16:35):
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Walter (01:16:37):
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that's it we'll see you all nextweek.
We pray this has been ablessing to you yes, all right,
bye-bye bye.