December 18, 2024 • 55 mins
Ever wondered how your desires shape your spiritual journey? Join us on Stepping in Faith as we explore the intertwining of spirituality, relationships, and character in our latest episode, "You Will Know Them by Their Fruit." We promise you'll gain insights into how character traits like kindness and self-control can redefine success beyond material wealth. Reflecting on the biblical story of Adam and Eve, we dissect the choices between worldly and divine wisdom, challenging you to consider how these ancient lessons apply to modern life, especially within the beautiful complexity of marriage.
Our discussion takes a deeper look at the cunning nature of deception through the lens of the Garden of Eden narrative. By examining how desires can be tainted, we reveal the importance of being aware of the heart's deceitful nature, as highlighted in Jeremiah 17:9. Our conversation encourages you to recognize the enemy's strategies, maintain spiritual integrity, and navigate the temptations that might lead you off your intended path. Uncover how to protect your desires from being manipulated and how to align them with a higher purpose.
Finally, we journey into the realm of the mind, exploring the battle between the conscious and subconscious as we aim to align our desires with God's will. By diving into Psalms 37:4 and Galatians 5, we emphasize the transformative power of delighting in the Lord and living by the Spirit. This episode challenges you to examine your ambitions, ensuring they fit within God's protective "window" of provision and protection. Discover the true fruits of living by the Spirit and the profound impact of aligning your path with divine guidance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in
Faith, the podcast.
I am your host, Walter, and I'mhere with my lovely wife.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Shania.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And this is episode three, and so, hmm, best way to
start it out is in prayer, andthen we'll get into what this
podcast is all about.
Do you want to pray?
You want me to pray?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I prayed last time.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You did I did.
Okay, all right, let's do it.
Father, we welcome you in HolySpirit, we welcome you and we
yield to you.
Lord Jesus, we welcome you inHoly Spirit.
We welcome you and we yield toyou.
Lord Jesus, we welcome you.
We thank you for taking fullcontrol.
This podcast belongs to you,this episode belongs to you, and
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we ask that you will be with usand that you will keep us and
guide us.
Everything that we say lead andguide us and for those that
this is meant to reach, let itreach them, let it pierce their
hearts.
Father, we give you the praise,the glory and the honor and
count it done right now.
In Jesus name, we pray Amen.
Amen.
Okay, so this is episode three.
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The title is you Will Know themby their Fruit and of course,
would I be putting you on thespot to say what our podcast is
all about.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You feel like you've been put on the spot.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You just did.
I said it was aboutrelationships.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't remember what you said.
I did not.
You didn't say anything aboutwhat the podcast was about.
You were like we just need topray.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, it's one of those days.
So, bae, what is this podcast?
Why does this podcast exist?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Stepping in Faith is a podcast surrounded around
relationships, relationshipswith God, your relationship with
God and your relationship withothers, particularly intimate
relationships.
Yes, like a spouse marriage.
This podcast is surroundedparticularly for marriage prior
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to you getting married whatGod's desire is for marriage.
Prior to you getting marriedwhat God's desire is for
marriage.
God has given us a revelationon what marriage looks like and
what relationships look like,and that's why we started this
podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yep.
So essentially it's a show thatfocuses on your relationship
with God and how that willimpact your relationship with
others.
I need to get this over to youtoo.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Get what over to me.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I wrote this out we, we.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh, you wrote it down .
Speaker 1 (02:50):
See, there's a whole script you did.
Yeah, there's a whole script.
I thought you had it.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
No, you didn't you do .
I told you that we needed tohave a script.
It's in.
It was part of episode one, theintro.
Oh, you didn't get that memo.
We're on episode three and four.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So no, you didn't look Okay, so we can add that
and include that.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
In every episode that we start.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
We can start that off , okay.
So yeah, my Wife Was RightStepping in Faith.
It literally is a show thatfocuses on your relationship
with God and how that willimpact your relationships with
others.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Simply put, that's what I said.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, that's what you said.
So, yeah, that's what we are.
It's something that God placedon our heart to do, and so it
was like all right, we're goingto do it.
It was not that simple.
It has not been that simple.
No it's not what we envisionedour lives to be, but we are.
We're about obedience to theFather.
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We're being obedient to theFather.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We're trying our very best.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
To remain committed and obedient to what he's called
us to do.
Obedient to what he's called usto do.
So we may get into that in alater episode, what we thought
our lives would look likeinitially, but that's neither
here nor there.
So this episode, once again, isentitled, or it's titled you
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Will Know by their fruits or bytheir fruit and it focuses on
desires.
And a side note that I had onhere was above all else, guard
your heart.
So I guess we can just startout.
Um, why did wait?
(04:42):
We wanted to do an episode ondesires initially, right yeah,
no, we started off.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Um started started off.
We started off with um talkingabout desires where does the
desires come from?
And we had went on this tangentand we had wrote all these
things down and we were supposedto record and did not record.
(05:11):
And we started again and youwere like are we supposed to
name this desires?
And I was like, let me ask thefather and that's when he placed
on my spirit to say, to namethe pot, not this episode.
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You will know them by theirfruit.
You will know them by theirfruit.
Your desires come from yourfruit.
Yes, your desires are amanifestation of your fruit, or
the fruit is a manifestation ofyour desires.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So you would know them by you, would know them by
you, you would know them bytheir fruit, and this was was it
what?
Because it came randomly, werewe discussing galatians 5?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
no it just randomly was talking about desires and we
were, we were, we were justgoing at it, we were talking
about okay, everything, and ithappens like that.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay, because we knew we were going to discuss
desires, but we didn't knowwhere it was going to go and
that title came.
You would know them by theirfruit fruit, um, when we're when
we're referring to that, it'smore.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So your character yes , yeah, people think fruit is
what is tangible.
It's something that you gain inthe world like money or some
type of success.
People think that's what yourfruit is, when your fruit is
actually really your characteryes, the fruits of the spirit
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are you kind, are you gentle?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
and that's what you have self-control.
So you would know them by theirfruit.
Um, so I mean just digging intoit.
Definition of desires it's astrong feeling of wanting to
have something, or wishing forsomething to happen, to happen.
Excuse me, and that's thewebster, the definition of
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desires.
And it's so interesting becauseeverything in life is driven by
desires, everything in life,everything we do, right.
And so it's interesting that,whether we look into a
relationship that we're in,whether we look into a home that
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we live in, the type of car wedrive, our career choices, how
many children you have, in manycases, with many people who they
end up with because God is nota part of that, it's all driven
by your own desires, right, yeah, and so the next point that we
have understanding what desiresare.
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Why do we have those desires?
Where do those desires comefrom?
So, babe, why do we have thosedesires?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
um desires are?
They're really like, justthoughts.
There are thoughts that youhave, um, a desire is something
that god placed in us to have,but sometimes we take on the
desires of the world.
Yeah, because after even adamsinned, the world fell and all
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of everything that God created,the enemy, perverted, corrupted.
So we naturally always hadthese types of desires for
family, for wealth, nutritionEverything was placed in us
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prior to for knowledge.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Wisdom.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Wisdom, always wanting to know what's going on.
And the enemy just takes thosedesires, those thoughts, and
perverts them.
Our desires are a mixture ofwhat God placed in us, and that
you said, and that of a fallenworld.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yes, so what I was saying, so our desires, is a
mixture of what God has placedin us and that of a fallen world
.
Yes, so what I was saying, soour desires, is a mixture of
what God has placed in us andthat of a fallen world, because
you still have, in many cases,there's things that God put in
you and the enemy taints it.
So that's why we're saying that, because there's things that
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God gives us a desire for, andthat's why we're saying that,
because there's things that Godgives us a desire for.
But the enemy for example, likesex, it was meant to be in the
confinements of marriage withthe person that God had designed
for you to be with.
But when you have sex outsideof marriage, the enemy is taking
that and tainting that.
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Or if you have sex with someoneGod never desired for you to be
with within the marriage, evenwithin the confinements of
marriage, you're still taintingsomething and the enemy's plan
is to taint what God has givenand make it evil.
So the desire to be intimatewith someone is there, right,
but the enemy always try to comeand awaken that or get you to
do something that goes contraryto the plan of God for your life
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?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, and that's always.
He always comes when you don'tknow the reason why you're doing
what you're doing Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And that's why I said so.
It was our desires.
I said it was a mixture of whatGod has placed in us and that
of a fallen world, life,experiences, culture or, better
put, our worldview.
So, and I think out of all ofthis, all of this ties into your
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worldview.
Your desires are nothing morethan your worldview.
It's a mixture between whatGod's worldview is for you, the
kingdom view, and the worldview,the wisdom of this world versus
the wisdom of God.
And so we are born into a worldof sin.
But especially for those thatGod has called, those that God
has chosen, there's things thathe placed in you before you were
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even born.
Now we're digging into Psalms139, right that David was saying
in so many words that before Iwas even born, before I was even
formed, you knew me.
Every single page, every singleday of my life was written in
your book.
He said where can I go from toescape your presence?
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If I go down to the lowestplaces, you're there.
If I go up to the highestplaces, you're there.
If it's even in the dark timesyour light still shines forth as
if it's day so.
So David was saying that therewas a revelation that he got,
that there's no place I can goand I can escape God.
You already know every move.
David also said in that passagePsalms 139, that before I think
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something, you already knowwhat I'm going to think.
Before I say something, youalready know what I'm going to
think.
Before I say something, youalready know what I'm going to
say.
So there are things that Godhas automatically placed in us
already, because the Bible sayswhat God pre-planned everything
from the end to the beginning.
There's nothing you can do thatGod won't know.
There's no move that you aregoing to make that God don't
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know that you're going to make.
But now we're going to dig intostuff yes, we can go so much
deeper.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yes, because god exists outside of time.
Yes, so you can see everythingas it's happening, when it
happened, all at the same timebecause there is no such thing
of god created time to containthis universe.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Time was literally created to contain this world,
and so but that's anothersubject.
So when we dig into worldview,do you want to read what
worldview is, babe, thedefinition of that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
sure um worldview is a person's a person's or
society's fundamental way ofthinking about the world, and
it's made up of their values,beliefs and expectations.
It's also known as a philosophy, mindset or outlook on life
exactly that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That alone explains that when I saw that it was so
perfect, because it reallysummed up what it is that we
struggle with.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, your world, your worldview, but are your, is
your worldview from?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
God.
Is it God's point of view or isit from the enemy's point of
view?
And that digs into Genesis 3, 1through 6, which I'll read real
quick and then we can dig intothat Genesis 3, 1 through 6, and
this is the New LivingTranslation version, so NLT.
The serpent was the shrewdestof all the wild animals the Lord
God had made.
One day he asked the woman didGod really say you must not eat
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the fruit from any of the treesin the garden?
Of course we may eat fruit fromthe trees in the garden.
The woman replied it's only thefruit from the tree in the
middle of the garden that we arenot allowed to eat.
God said you must not eat it oreven touch it.
If you do, you will die.
You won't die, the serpentreplied to the woman.
God knows that your eyes willbe open as soon as you eat it
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and you will be like God,knowing both good and evil.
The woman was convinced.
She saw that the fruit, thatthe tree was beautiful and its
fruit looked delicious and shewanted the wisdom it would give
her.
So I think this is so pertinentbecause it shows what took
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place when we dig in and we lookat it and we'll read that later
.
This was an example of thewisdom of God versus the wisdom
of this world.
So when we dig into theworldview of our worldview has
been tainted since Adam and Eveate from that tree.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, they chose the wrong tree.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, and it was never the same.
It was never the same afterthat, and so that was when
everything began, to where, whenyou're born into this world,
you're born into a world whereyou are taught and you
automatically move in a waywhere you go based off the
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wisdom of this world and not thewisdom of God.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Right, and that's why we have to be born again.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And our mind has to be renewed, because you, we dug
into that before.
It says what?
Before the fall of the spiritof God or before the fall of the
spirit of God?
Oh, before the fall of thespirit of God drove their minds,
but after the fall theconnection was broken.
So now we have to get back torenewing our minds so that the
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spirit of God can lead us again.
So before Adam and Eve did whatthey did, everything they did
was literally led by the spiritof God.
It was driven by the spirit ofGod.
It was driven by the spirit ofGod, it was driven by the wisdom
of God.
What are you looking at?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
No, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You got something.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And so that digs into the whole worldview, showing
that our worldview is tainted assoon as we come into this world
.
Mm-hmm.
So that digs into our desires.
Our desires are tainted as soonas we come into this world.
So that digs into our desires.
Our desires are tainted, andthe serpent was so cunning yes,
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because he just slightly shiftedit.
It was always God's desire forthere to be wisdom within Adam
and Eve.
We saw with Adam when he namedthe animals that came from a
place of wisdom and knowledge.
It was something that wasautomatically in him, that he
did, that was placed in him bythe spirit of God.
So it's not wrong that Evedesired wisdom.
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It's just he came in and hemanipulated a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
He lied.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
He said you won't surely die because she didn't,
but because she didn't know thetruth, she accepted what he said
, she accepted that seed andbecause she accepted the seed,
it bore fruit, which was athought that she thought oh my
gosh, this is tree, is sobeautiful, the food looks so
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good and she ate it, and shewanted the wisdom from it.
So she ate it.
That was the manifestation.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, and everything changed.
But the thing that was sointeresting and you pointed this
out last time, we we read it,but there were two trees in the
garden.
Yes, there were two trees inthe garden.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
yes, there were two trees in the middle of the
garden of good and evil.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And then there was tree, the tree of life, the tree
of life.
So there was a tree that led todeath, death, and it was a tree
that led to life right.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And what was interesting is when the serpent
came to Eve and she told him orthe serpent that it's the it's
only the fruit from the tree inthe middle of the garden that we
are not allowed to eat.
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God said you must not eat it,or even touch it.
If you do, you will die.
That's not what God said no, hereferenced two trees god spoke
to adam and told him that therewere two trees.
There was a tree of life andthere were.
There was a tree of theknowledge of good and evil, and
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to not eat of the fruit from thetree of the knowledge of good
and evil yes and if he did you,and if he did he would die.
He didn't say don't touch it.
He didn't say don't look at it.
He said don't eat the fruit.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's not at all what eve said so there was a uh
misinterpretation, yes, based onwhat adam said to eve.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well, we assume that adam told eve yeah and not god,
because the bible doesn't saythat god told eve.
Also, he told adam, becauseadam is the one that tends to
the garden and adam was to relayeverything, and so there's so
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many things here and it.
It was adam's job to teach her,because that he at eve is his
bride.
Just like jesus teaches us andadam taught her I don't even say
taught her wrong per, but shedidn't have a revelation.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
She didn't have a revelation of it, which is why
the enemy went to her and notAdam Exactly.
Because he knew Adam had arevelation.
But then it's interesting, andbecause she saw it, she ate from
it.
Then she gave the fruit to AdamAdam ate he did.
Now that's a whole tangent thatwe can go upon.
Yeah, and I would have to pray,because I really want more
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wisdom, and it would only be, itwould only come from the Holy
Spirit To say, okay, was Adamactually there with her?
Did Adam know what she wasgiving him?
Did Adam realize that she wasgiving him this fruit, or I'm?
Guessing that.
Well, yeah, he did, because hesaw, and that he saw it was good
too.
So something in Adam made Adamgo against what God told him to
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do, when God spoke directly tohim and told him what not to do.
But then, the beautiful thingabout that, and that's what the
Holy Spirit gave to me there wastwo options there.
There was a tree of life andthere was a tree of knowledge of
good and evil, one that led tolife, one that led to death, and
it's a reflection of the of thewisdom of this world right
versus the wisdom of god rightand the way to go ahead.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
No, no, both path.
Uh, one path leads todestruction and one path leads
to eternal life, and we alwaysmake those choices in our lives.
In every area, right, so youwill know them by their fruit
it's which path that you're on.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And it's so interesting because in every,
like you said, in everydifferent aspect of our lives,
we are always faced with thechoice of being led by the
spirit of God versus being ledby the wisdom of this world.
The wisdom of God versus thewisdom of this world Galatians
5,.
You choose to be led by yourflesh versus you being led by
the spirit.
And we saw an example with Adamand Eve.
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The Bible says that when shesaw it immediately, she saw that
it was good.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, God made it good.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, she saw that the tree was beautiful and its
fruit looked delicious, and shewanted the wisdom it would give
her.
So immediately, what wasbeginning to happen is she was
being driven by her flesh andnot the spirit of God, and so
that is the challenge that weface.
As we dig deeper in right, theBible says, or what one of the
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points that was made, and deeperin right, the Bible says, or
one of the points that was made,our mind drives everything we
do and what the knowledge ofthis world leads to death.
The knowledge of God is whattruly leads us to divine
revelations and something thatpeople can read upon Genesis 2,
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8 through 10, baby, if you wantto read that and then Genesis 2,
15 through 17.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Well, I believe Genesis 2, 8 just talks about
what I said.
It says then the Lord Godplanted a garden in Eden, in the
east, and there he placed theman he had made.
The Lord God made all sorts oftrees grow up from the ground,
trees that were beautiful, allsorts of trees grow up from the
ground, trees that werebeautiful, which Eve said.
The tree was beautiful and thatproduced delicious fruit.
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She saw that the fruit wasdelicious.
In the middle of the garden heplaced the tree of life and the
tree of the knowledge of goodand evil.
That was Genesis 2, 8 through10, referencing, and then you
said 15 through 17.
Yeah, the Lord God placed theman in the garden of Eden to
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tend and watch over it.
But the Lord God warned him youmay freely eat the fruit of
every tree in the garden exceptthe tree of knowledge of good
and evil.
If you eat its fruit, you aresure to die.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So yeah, everything was there, everything was there.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And that's why the enemy said you won't surely die.
God said you are sure to die.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
He misconstrued it, like he essentially, and that's
what the enemy does, and that'sit, yes, so the enemy is so
interesting.
He takes the word, he slightlyshifts it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Because he knows the word.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But technically speaking, he didn't lie to Eve,
he just questioned it.
He made her question it.
Yeah, he asked, questioned it,he made her question it.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, he asked the question.
You won't surely die?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's like asking a question will you really die?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And then you have to think about did he say surely,
or did he say sure?
Did he say I will surely die,or did he say I would for sure
die?
And you have to go back andquestion, like I'll question
myself and then there wasn't arevelation right, because she
didn't die immediately.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Spiritually she did yes spiritually there was a
disconnection that took placebetween her and adam and god,
but it which so, essentially,what ended up happening?
Is it led to a spiritual deathimmediately where that
disconnection took place?
Right.
It began to really shift thingsspiritually for them, right, and
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then it also led to eventuallya physical death, yeah, and so
we have to be real careful, andthe reason I was saying that is
because a lot of times that goesback to your, your desires.
So, for example, yes, god hascalled for you to be with a
husband or a wife.
Yes, god has called for you tobe in those relationships.
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The enemy knows this too, andso he will come in, he'll taint
that at the most basic form.
Something as simple as youhaving sex outside of marriage.
You don't realize that leads tospiritual issues, spiritual
wives, spiritual husbands,spirits of perversions, a spirit
of lust, all of these differentthings that you're attaching
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yourself to, soul ties, illegalcontracts within the spiritual
realm, and then even, not tomention the things within the
natural realm God forbid.
You have a child Now you'releading to things within that
curses and all of thosedifferent things like that
contracts, right, the enemyknows this.
And the enemy knows that youdesire to have that, because it
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was a natural desire that wasplaced in you, but it's only
meant within the rightrelationship.
So he'll come and say, hey, youcan have sex, you've grown,
it's not that serious right.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
All he has to do is just plant a seed just one seed,
and it only takes one person.
It took eve.
He didn't have to go to adam,he went to eve, just one person,
and corrupted the entire worldbecause everything came through
eve the entire world adam, andthen everything else came
through Eve.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And I mean I think Dr Levy touched on that before
when you talked about everythingcomes from the woman.
At first it came from the manand then it comes through the
woman.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And so he.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
It's birth through the woman she fertilizes the egg
.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And he knew that she didn't have an understanding or
a revelation of what God said.
He understood that, and sothat's another thing that lets
us know that the enemy, he wasthere, he was around during all
of this process and that'ssomething that God was dealing
with me on, because the fall ofman took place prior to God
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creating the heavens and earth,took place prior to God creating
the heavens and earth, and so Imean not the fall of man, the
fall of Satan from heaven, allof this.
So he was there.
That's something that God gaveto me early on, maybe last year
or year before last, and it blewmy mind and it's very dangerous
because we forget or we don'trealize how cunning the enemy is
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.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Very sly we think he's stupid.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
We think that it's just simple and that we have one
up on him.
He's been doing this for quitesome time.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Or you think that it's just blatant in your face
and it's very, very subtle.
He said surely you won't die?
He didn't say God didn't sayyou're not going to die, because
then Eve would have been likeno, he, god, didn't say you're
not going to die.
Because then Eve would havebeen like.
No, he said we would die.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I just told you he said we would die.
He wouldn't surely Right, didhe really say?
Did he really say you surethat's what you heard and that's
so interesting which can shiftyour desires to where it can
become tainted, so that digs allthe way in, right?
Are these desires good?
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We think about Jeremiah 17 and9, and it says what the human
heart is the most deceitful ofall things and desperately
wicked.
Who really knows how bad it is?
But I, the Lord, search allhearts and examine secret
motives.
I give all people their duerewards according to what their
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actions deserve.
So now, I've read that a lot oftimes.
I've read that so many timesbecause I grew up in a church.
But what is it referring towhen it's talking about the
heart?
Because the heart is nothingbut an organ, right?
So it can't be referring to theactual heart.
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Right, that's the interestingthing.
It's referring to what the mind?
What is the definition of heartin hebrew, babe?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
definition of heart in hebrew is your mind.
Conscious, center, middle.
That's what it means.
So in hebrew the heart isreally referring to your brain,
because I don't believe thatthey had the words for what a
brain was.
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They talked about your heartthe entire time.
But your heart doesn't driveyour body, it doesn't drive your
emotions, it doesn't drive yourfeelings.
Your mind does.
Your subconscious mind driveseverything.
It tells your body when to walk, when to move, what to do.
Fight, flight Not your heart.
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Your heart literally just pumpsblood.
Yeah, Throughout your body.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Why the Bible tells us what that Jesus said as a man
thinketh, so shall he be whenhe talks about.
If you think upon committingadultery in your mind, you've
already committed adultery.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's why the Bible tells us to what Renew our mind.
Right.
It always referred to us havingto do something with our mind.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Right.
So there's your revelation thatwhen you see heart in the Bible
, it's talking about your mind.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's talking about your subconscious.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Right.
So Proverbs 3, 5, trust in theLord with all your heart and
lean not on your ownunderstanding.
So why would this passage saylean not on your own
understanding after you trust inthe Lord with?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
all your heart.
Yes, because the understandingcomes from your mind.
It's subconscious.
It's literally having to shiftyour subconscious, because we
talked about this before right,and this digs into the conscious
.
Versus subconscious and I'mjumping ahead a little bit we
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know that there are twodifferent parts of our mind is
the conscious and thesubconscious state.
One of the things that we knowis what that prior.
The revelation that God gave tome was that everything that we
had was being, our subconsciouswas driven by the spirit of God
within us.
Right, it was driven by thespirit of God.
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And so, after the fall of man,that disconnected us from being
led by the spirit of God, butfrom the subconscious being led
by the Spirit of God, from oursubconscious being led by the
Spirit of God.
And what took place is itshifted and our subconscious
began to be led by the wisdom ofthis world.
And so now, when we think aboutsalvation, when we think about
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going through the process ofaccepting Jesus as our Lord and
Savior, when we think about thesanctification process, the
consecration process, thewilderness experience, all of
these things, it digs back intoreattaching our spirit that's
intertwined with the spirit ofGod, to our subconscious, and
teaching ourselves now by theguidance and the strength and
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the power of the Holy Spirit, tonow once again be led by the
Spirit of God, where we're movedby the Spirit of God first,
because Adam and Eve, when weread the scriptures, what they
didn't know, they were evennaked they didn't see that.
They saw everything in theSpirit first.
It was after the fall that theyonce.
Now they're like okay, we'renaked, we need to put clothes on
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.
Now they started being drivenby their natural state.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Right, like who told you you were naked.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Exactly, exactly, and that is the challenge that we
are faced with, right, and so welooked this up and it was so
good.
It says this.
This is just a summary.
The subconscious mind has atremendous influence on how we
think and act.
When in the conscious state,for example, you might not
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always be thinking about a phonenumber, but you can easily pull
it up when someone asks for it,this is because the phone
number is stored in yoursubconscious mind.
So everything you do day to day, without even thinking about it
, it is driven by yoursubconscious mind, everything.
And the enemy is alwaysattacking your mind by
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implanting thoughts in your mind.
Right.
He's always after the mind.
What we watch on TV, it's afteryour mind.
Right, he's always after themind.
What we watch on TV, it's afteryour mind.
What we listen to with themusic is after your mind.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Right, and that's why you will know them by their
fruit.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yes, it's a seed that's planted.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And once that seed is planted, it grows and it
manifests a harvest.
And it's like what are youharvesting If you're watching a
bunch of violent videos andplaying violent video games?
And they've done plenty ofstudies on kids who play violent
video games.
They're violent in real life.
They're violent to theirfriends, to their teachers, to
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their parents.
They commit crimes, murder,because of what they're putting
in there, what they're agreeingto, what they're fertilizing
what they're planting.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That's what we have to focus on, and I think,
especially as believers, it's soimportant that we understand
the power of the mind.
And even the world teaches youwhat the power of the mind, and
even the world teaches you whatthe power of the mind.
Everybody is gunning for yourmind.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, the power of your mind, but also the power of
spoken word because, God spokeeverything into existence, so
words are very, very powerful.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And let's dig even deeper.
Words are powerful.
Yeah, it begins with thoughts.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Which is why jesus said yes, stop, yeah, don't even
think upon this.
If you think upon this, that'swhy the bible says what as a man
thinketh, that shall he be yeah, and so, like in the beginning,
in the beginning, the start, itstarts with a thought.
It starts with god thought aboutthe, about creating the world,
and then he created the worldexactly, and so everything
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starts there, and this is whyour desires are so important,
and it's so important that wecheck our desires.
Galatians 5 is a prime exampleof you checking your desires.
What leads your desires?
Are your desires led by yourflesh or is it led by the spirit
of God?
And see an example of and thisis random, uh, or we didn't have
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this in to go to to galatians 5, right and I mean galatians 5,
16 through 25 we have it in.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
We didn't live in by the spirit's power so galatians?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I wanted to read it though.
So galatians, uh, 5, 16 saysand and I love this the entire
chapter.
So I say let the Holy Spiritguide your lives, then you won't
be doing what your sinfulnature craves.
The sinful nature wants to doevil, which is just the opposite
of what the spirit wants, andthe spirit gives us desires that
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are the opposite.
The spirit gives us desires,the Spirit gives us desires that
are the opposite of what thesin for nature desires.
These two forces are constantlyfighting each other.
So you are not free to carryout your good intentions, but
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when you are directed by theSpirit, you are not under
obligation to the law of Moses.
When you follow the desires ofyour sinful nature, the results
are very clear Sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures,
idolatry, sorcery, hostility,quarreling, jealousy, outburst
of anger, selfish ambitions,dissension, division, envy,
drunkenness, wild parties andother sins like these.
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Let me tell you again, as Ihave before, that anyone living
that sort of life will notinherit the kingdom of God, but
the Holy Spirit produces thiskind of fruit in our lives Love,
joy, peace, patience, kindness,goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness and self-control.
There is no law against thesethings.
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Those who belong to ChristJesus have nailed the passions
and desires of their sinfulnature to the cross and
crucified them there.
Since we are living by theSpirit, let us follow the
Spirit's leading in every partof our lives yeah, your
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subconscious mind.
That's it right there.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Because, honestly, you have people who are living
in sexual immorality.
They're less, they have lessfull pleasures, they live in a
and they have a ton of idolsthey do, they have sorcery, they
are hostile, they quarrel,they're jealous, they're angry,
they're selfish, and a lot oftimes we walk around I'm like
why am I even jealous, why am Iangry?
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Why am I having sex so much?
I don't even want to have sexwith this person.
I don't even like this person.
This isn't even my type.
It's like where does that evencome from your mind?
It comes from your subconscious.
It comes from a seed that wasplanted by the enemy by the
enemy, whether you were four,two, three, six.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Whether it's in your bloodline.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You were born with it being in your bloodline and
then you just feed it and you'resetting up these contracts
where you're being taught toonce again be led by your flesh.
So, when we think upon desiresand its most basic form, what
drives your desires?
What drives them First andforemost, if you don't know
Jesus, if you haven't acceptedhim as your Lord and Savior, we
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already know you're driven byyour flesh.
Then we also know, based onteachings from Apostle Selman
right, that you have Christiansthat can still also be carnal.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
So you can be a believer, yet.
Be carnal, yes, so you can be abeliever, yet be carnal, yes,
and still led by your flesh,because your mind has not been
renewed.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Your subconscious mind meaning your thoughts your
feelings what drives it?
What drives it.
Your experience in life shiftsthe way that you think about
yourself around other people.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Culture all of these things, which is why, with all
of that, we have to let that goand that's what we now we're
digging into the process of what?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Dying to self.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
So you die to self.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
In being born again.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Jesus said my brothers, my sisters, my mother,
my father essentially are thosethat do the will of my father.
So he said that do the will ofmy father.
So he said I've died to myculture, I've let my culture go.
I'm no longer driven by theculture of this world, I am
driven by the culture of thekingdom of God.
So it's as simple as that.
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It's simply put but, that's acheck that you can use to kind
of determine what's driving mydesires.
So, people, I'm sorry you maynot like this, but if the first
thing, that if I'm you know,you're going to talk on the
camera?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, my bad.
So talk to the people.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
So I would say this, because we do this a lot If the
first thing when you think aboutthe person that you're with,
the first thing that you thinkabout saying to them is that oh
my gosh, she was so sexy or hewas this, you know, I love the
fact that he was six feet, Ilove the fact that he was this,
I love the fact that she wasthick, she was this, she had a
bad body.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Or he got money.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Or he got money and all of those things.
I'm sorry to inform you, butthat ain't God.
God would never put you in asituation where he places
someone in your life that feedsyour flesh.
That's why we dig into intimacy.
Now you have that versus peoplethat's like yo.
I don't even know what it wasabout the person.
There was something deeperwithin them that connected me to
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them.
That's someone who's not beingdriven by their flesh.
They don't understand it, butthat's someone who's not being
driven by their flesh.
Yes, you can recognize a personis pretty.
Yes, you can recognize all ofthese things, but it's not what
drives you.
That is when God is involved,because God said what Samuel and
King David.
He said you judge based on theoutward appearance.
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I look at the man's inwardappearance.
I look at their heart, theirmind, their mind, their fruit.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Are they joyful?
Do they have patience?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Are they kind All of the attributes?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
of what King David were.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Now we're not saying he was perfect.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
No, but he desired.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
He desired.
The Bible says that he was aman after God's own heart.
He hated what God hated and heloved what God loved, and he had
consistently operated with theheart of what Repentance and
conviction.
So that's a check right there.
For you, it don't sound good,because a lot of people are in
relationships like that.
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That's between you and God.
But I'm telling you this is forthose who are desiring to be
married, those who are designedto get in a relationship.
Maybe you're not married yet.
This is a conversation you needto have with yourself.
Why am I with this person?
What drew me to this person?
And is what drew me to thisperson of God?
Because you have to understandthat, just like God has someone
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specific for you that he wantsto spend the rest of your, he
wants you to spend the rest ofyour life with, because they're
tied to your purpose.
They're tied to what he'scalled you all to do.
The enemy also has somethingout there that he wants to take
you off track.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Right and the enemy.
The world is going to goagainst everything God stands
for when it comes to marriage.
So everything that we've done,the world will be like why?
Yeah, that doesn't even makesense.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
But yeah, it's not supposed to make sense to you,
because, it's not the wisdom ofthis world, it's the wisdom of
God.
Literally, it is the wisdom ofGod.
And it won't make sense to you,but as you dig into it it's
like, oh okay, thank you,because I needed these things, I
needed this, I needed this.
I went through so much becauseI tried to do these things.
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And we all have the samequestions why do I have these
desires?
Why do I feel the way I feel?
What is this?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
What are these urges?
And then you have people in theworld saying oh, this is normal
, you're supposed to.
Boys this age are supposed tobe masturbating and lusting
after women.
Let them do that.
It's normal.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's not normal, it's not, it's a spirit of lust and
it's a spirit of perversion, andyou're setting up contracts,
and this is why we have toalways check what we do, because
even in the church, even in thechurch, even in the body of.
Christ, the body of Christ.
You have people who arestruggling with masturbation,
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people who are struggling withpornography, that think that
it's normal and it's okay andthat they can't be helped and
they can't be changed.
You have people that areliterally in these situations,
where some of them want to befree.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, they just don't know how to.
They don't know how to, andthey don't understand, because
the world tells them it's okay,it's okay for you to have these
desires, it's normal, it'snormal for you to have these
desires.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
We can go so far there.
It's normal for you to havethese desires.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
We can go so far, there's so many, but it's not
normal.
It's normal in the world,because that's what the enemy
wants you to have.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
The world is led by the flesh?
Yes, but as a believer, youshould be led by the spirit of
God and you can be free fromevery bit of that you can be
free.
I'm telling you because.
God freed me.
God set me free from desiresand things that were not of him,
so he can do the same thingwith you and literally it.
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Um, we've already said that weknow we got off track.
Um, I think what we can go atfrom here is this cause we we
got heavily off track, but it'sgood.
We already said what we havedesires that can come from our
soul.
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We have desires that can comefrom the spirit of God.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right, oh yeah, we have to talk about that part.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, so we just kind of really talked about that,
that you have desires that cancome from both.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
You want to dig into them more oh, I was talking
about um the desires of yourheart, god giving you the
desires of your heart I wasabout to talk about okay, that's
what.
That's what I was psalms 37 and4 so psalms 37 and 4.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Do we have that out or do we need to go and?
Do you want to read it?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Let me see, let me pull it up.
I didn't write it on the notes.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Because we read that and we're reading the NLT.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
You can grab the NLT I have the NLT and the thing is
people use that scripture somuch.
Yeah, Psalms 37.
Four Take delight in the Lordand he will give you your
heart's desires.
I kind of like New King JamesVersion.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, I was looking at that too.
Delight yourself also in theLord.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, delight yourself also in the Lord, and
he shall give you the desires ofyour heart then verse five
commit your way to the lordtrust also in him, and he shall
bring it to pass.
He shall bring forth yourrighteousness as the light and
your justice as the new day.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, but and for those.
So NLT is a little bit moretoday's language, so we'll read
that part too.
Verse three says trust in theLord and do good.
Then you will live safely.
Oh, I'm sorry I forgot aboutthat part too.
Yeah, that's good Trust in theLord and do good.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Then you will live safely in the land of prosper.
Take delight in the Lord, andhe will give you your heart's
desire.
Take delight in the Lord, andhe will give you your heart's
desire.
Commit everything you do to theLord.
Trust him and he will help you.
He will make your innocenceradiate like the dawn and the
justice of your cause will shinelike the noonday sun.
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Be still in the presence of theLord and wait patiently for him
to act.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
But you can only prosper in his way, his way, his
will.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yes.
So when we dig into thisbecause we say God will give you
the desires of your heart, Godwill give you the desires of
your heart.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
The church will say just pray about it.
God will give you the desiresof your heart.
No, he will only give you thedesires of your heart.
The church will say just prayabout it.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
God will give you the desires of your heart.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
No, he will only give you the desires of your heart
that are in his perfect will foryour life, because if it
doesn't align with your perfectwill, it ain't happening.
It's not gonna happen.
And it's because he knows.
He knows what he's called youfor exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
If you fall outside of that, the enemy has legal
rights to say okay, well, sheout of line, she out of pocket,
I'm just gonna bring her overhere yep, and he can do whatever
he wants he can do whatever hewants, because whenever he wants
, and I think apostle selman, heand we'll talk about that a lot
because we listen to him a lotbut, uh, there was something
that he did that was so perfect.
He did, um, it was literallylike a demonstration, and so it
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was like it's this window, right?
And he talked about like justimagine this window.
And he's like, within thiswindow, you are in the perfect
will of God.
So within the perfect will ofGod, within that window, you
have everything you need youhave provision, you have grace,
you have protection you havefavor, you have blessings, you
have everything that you need,but if you get outside of that
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window, it's no longer there,and so, when Adam and Eve was in
the perfect world of God no,it's not under protection.
So when Adam and Eve was in theperfect world of God, they had
everything they need.
They didn't have to pray forcertain things.
It was automatically there.
They didn't worry about whatthey would eat.
They didn't worry about howthey would support themselves
where they would live.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
They didn't worry about their clothes, they didn't
worry about food.
They didn't worry aboutanything, they were already
covered.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
They were covered.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
And that is what the enemy is consistently trying to
do is he gets us out of that sohe can have free will to do
whatever he wants, however hewants to do it.
He can have free will to dowhatever he wants, however he
wants to do it.
And so when you think in, whenyou think about God giving you
the desires of your heart, wehave to also.
This is why we have to study.
This is also why we have to beled by the spirit of God as we
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read the scripture, because ifyou aren't being led by the
spirit of God that's, I think,first or second Timothys they
talk about the scriptures beinginspired by the spirit of god.
Right, and god really giving methe revelation a couple of
years ago about if you don'thave the spirit of god in you to
interpret the scripture, youwon't understand what you're
reading, because the bible iscoded and the only being that
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can break the code in the bibleis the holy spirit the spirit of
truth right.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
That's why it's important on who you listen to.
Exactly Like you said, you goto the church and say God will
give you the desires of yourheart, but they don't tell you
that he will only give you thosedesires if it's his desires for
you.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Exactly so.
I'm sorry.
If you want to be amultimillionaire and that's not
God's desire for you, you're notgoing to be one.
No, you one.
No, you can become one, but itwon't be God's desire.
No, it will be your own thing.
It will be.
And we have to be so carefulbecause if you're doing
something God didn't tell you todo, if you're doing something
God didn't call for you to do,we are in what disobedience yes,
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sin and sin is nothing morethan disobedience to God.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
And it doesn't matter if it looks good because it
looks good to the world.
Oh, I'm going to become a nurseis what I did?
Because it looks good.
It sounds good, I'm helpingpeople, it's what I like to do.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
But is it God's will for you?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
But is it God's will for my life?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And if it's not, you're in disobedience and, as
you know, when you went throughthat, you went through hell
trying to become a nurse.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Hell.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
You made it happen, but you went through stuff that
God never intended for you to gothrough.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
It's just like relationships we get into.
We want this because we feellike that's what we're supposed
to have.
People tell you that that'swhat you're supposed to be in
and you go through hell and yousay this is God's will for your
life and it's not.
They don't understand you.
They don't know what God'spurpose is for your life.
They can't speak life into you.
They're not there.
They're tearing you down.
All of these different things.
That is not God's desire foryour life.
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Men, I'm sorry.
The Bible tells us that we areto love our wives as Christ
loves the church.
Christ, don't tear us down.
Christ, don't control us.
Christ, don't manipulate us.
Christ accept us where we are.
He teaches us how to love.
He teaches us how to go throughlife.
He teaches us all of the thingswe're supposed to be doing.
And I'm sorry, in this world wehave had too many people that
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have told men that it is okayfor you to show up and not do
what you're supposed to do andthen blame that woman who's
looking to you.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Including the church.
We all know the anti-crisiscoming through the church.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
I'm just put that out there.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
But that's another thing.
It's another thing we'regetting off.
Yes, so when it digs intodesires, right.
That's why it's important forus to renew our mind.
We have to go through theprocess of renewing our mind.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
You have to know the truth.
Yes, the truth will set youfree it will set us all free.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
We have to, and I think I had on here Romans 5 and
12.
As far as renewing the mind, isthat Romans 5 and 12?
What is that?
I think it's Romans 12.
And you know where I'm going at.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Romans 12, 1, 2?
.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Why did you have Romans 5?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't know.
I think it's on there, but thisis what I was thinking about
Romans 12.
So Romans 12, verse 1, it saysand this is NLT, by the way.
It says and so, dear brothersand sisters, I plead with you to
give your bodies to God becauseof all he has done for you.
Let them be a living and holysacrifice, the kind he will find
acceptable.
This is truly the way toworship him.
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Don't copy the behavior andcustoms of this world, but let
God transform you into a newperson by changing the way you
think.
Then you will learn to knowGod's will for you, which is
good and pleasing, and perfect.
I don't know how else you endthat out other than that.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
That's the only way you know you'll know God's will
for you and that's the only wayyou know your desires are'll
know God's will for you andthat's the only way you know
your desires are aligned withGod's desires that I don't know
how else you end up, but thatthat's it.
You have to go through thisprocess you have to live,
breathe, think Holy Spirit yes,outside of that, it will fail
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yeah outside, and, and this isthat's why- it's not an easy
process.
That's why nobody talks about itor teaches about it.
Because it's not easy.
You have to let go ofeverything.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Because everything that you think, you know,
everything that you have beentaught, you might as well assume
if it's outside of God, it iswrong, even when it seems right.
The church will tell you to getmarried rather than to burn in
sin, and Paul did say that.
But Paul said specifically andthis is what you have to get.
This is Paul speaking not God,because you all are bothering me
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and you're asking me aboutsomething that God hasn't given
me a revelation on.
So, since this is Paul speaking, I will tell you hey, if you
are burning in lust, sure goahead and get married because
it's better to just deal withthe demons that you know than a
bunch of demons from otherpeople but that was not God.
God showed us his plan and hisdesign from the beginning, that
he created Eve for Adam.
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God said that it is not goodfor man to be alone.
Not Adam, god said it.
He said I will create ahelpmate for Adam and bring that
helpmate to Adam.
And that's where I think we goahead and stop this, because I
think we need to-.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
And get the little ones.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
So until next time and we'll dig in this later
until next time.
We appreciate you all forspending time with us and we
will see you on the next episode.
Be, blessed, be blessed.
Be, safe, be safe.
Hopefully this has been ablessing to you.
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Yes, all right.
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in
Faith, the podcast.
I am your host, Walter, and I'mhere with my lovely wife.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Shania.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And this is episode three, and so, hmm, best way to
start it out is in prayer, andthen we'll get into what this
podcast is all about.
Do you want to pray?
You want me to pray?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I prayed last time.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You did I did.
Okay, all right, let's do it.
Father, we welcome you in HolySpirit, we welcome you and we
yield to you.
Lord Jesus, we welcome you inHoly Spirit.
We welcome you and we yield toyou.
Lord Jesus, we welcome you.
We thank you for taking fullcontrol.
This podcast belongs to you,this episode belongs to you, and
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we ask that you will be with usand that you will keep us and
guide us.
Everything that we say lead andguide us and for those that
this is meant to reach, let itreach them, let it pierce their
hearts.
Father, we give you the praise,the glory and the honor and
count it done right now.
In Jesus name, we pray Amen.
Amen.
Okay, so this is episode three.
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The title is you Will Know themby their Fruit and of course,
would I be putting you on thespot to say what our podcast is
all about.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You feel like you've been put on the spot.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You just did.
I said it was aboutrelationships.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't remember what you said.
I did not.
You didn't say anything aboutwhat the podcast was about.
You were like we just need topray.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, it's one of those days.
So, bae, what is this podcast?
Why does this podcast exist?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Stepping in Faith is a podcast surrounded around
relationships, relationshipswith God, your relationship with
God and your relationship withothers, particularly intimate
relationships.
Yes, like a spouse marriage.
This podcast is surroundedparticularly for marriage prior
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to you getting married whatGod's desire is for marriage.
Prior to you getting marriedwhat God's desire is for
marriage.
God has given us a revelationon what marriage looks like and
what relationships look like,and that's why we started this
podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yep.
So essentially it's a show thatfocuses on your relationship
with God and how that willimpact your relationship with
others.
I need to get this over to youtoo.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Get what over to me.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I wrote this out we, we.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh, you wrote it down .
Speaker 1 (02:50):
See, there's a whole script you did.
Yeah, there's a whole script.
I thought you had it.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
No, you didn't you do .
I told you that we needed tohave a script.
It's in.
It was part of episode one, theintro.
Oh, you didn't get that memo.
We're on episode three and four.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So no, you didn't look Okay, so we can add that
and include that.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
In every episode that we start.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
We can start that off , okay.
So yeah, my Wife Was RightStepping in Faith.
It literally is a show thatfocuses on your relationship
with God and how that willimpact your relationships with
others.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Simply put, that's what I said.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, that's what you said.
So, yeah, that's what we are.
It's something that God placedon our heart to do, and so it
was like all right, we're goingto do it.
It was not that simple.
It has not been that simple.
No it's not what we envisionedour lives to be, but we are.
We're about obedience to theFather.
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We're being obedient to theFather.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We're trying our very best.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
To remain committed and obedient to what he's called
us to do.
Obedient to what he's called usto do.
So we may get into that in alater episode, what we thought
our lives would look likeinitially, but that's neither
here nor there.
So this episode, once again, isentitled, or it's titled you
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Will Know by their fruits or bytheir fruit and it focuses on
desires.
And a side note that I had onhere was above all else, guard
your heart.
So I guess we can just startout.
Um, why did wait?
(04:42):
We wanted to do an episode ondesires initially, right yeah,
no, we started off.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Um started started off.
We started off with um talkingabout desires where does the
desires come from?
And we had went on this tangentand we had wrote all these
things down and we were supposedto record and did not record.
(05:11):
And we started again and youwere like are we supposed to
name this desires?
And I was like, let me ask thefather and that's when he placed
on my spirit to say, to namethe pot, not this episode.
(05:31):
You will know them by theirfruit.
You will know them by theirfruit.
Your desires come from yourfruit.
Yes, your desires are amanifestation of your fruit, or
the fruit is a manifestation ofyour desires.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So you would know them by you, would know them by
you, you would know them bytheir fruit, and this was was it
what?
Because it came randomly, werewe discussing galatians 5?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
no it just randomly was talking about desires and we
were, we were, we were justgoing at it, we were talking
about okay, everything, and ithappens like that.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay, because we knew we were going to discuss
desires, but we didn't knowwhere it was going to go and
that title came.
You would know them by theirfruit fruit, um, when we're when
we're referring to that, it'smore.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So your character yes , yeah, people think fruit is
what is tangible.
It's something that you gain inthe world like money or some
type of success.
People think that's what yourfruit is, when your fruit is
actually really your characteryes, the fruits of the spirit
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are you kind, are you gentle?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
and that's what you have self-control.
So you would know them by theirfruit.
Um, so I mean just digging intoit.
Definition of desires it's astrong feeling of wanting to
have something, or wishing forsomething to happen, to happen.
Excuse me, and that's thewebster, the definition of
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desires.
And it's so interesting becauseeverything in life is driven by
desires, everything in life,everything we do, right.
And so it's interesting that,whether we look into a
relationship that we're in,whether we look into a home that
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we live in, the type of car wedrive, our career choices, how
many children you have, in manycases, with many people who they
end up with because God is nota part of that, it's all driven
by your own desires, right, yeah, and so the next point that we
have understanding what desiresare.
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Why do we have those desires?
Where do those desires comefrom?
So, babe, why do we have thosedesires?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
um desires are?
They're really like, justthoughts.
There are thoughts that youhave, um, a desire is something
that god placed in us to have,but sometimes we take on the
desires of the world.
Yeah, because after even adamsinned, the world fell and all
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of everything that God created,the enemy, perverted, corrupted.
So we naturally always hadthese types of desires for
family, for wealth, nutritionEverything was placed in us
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prior to for knowledge.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Wisdom.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Wisdom, always wanting to know what's going on.
And the enemy just takes thosedesires, those thoughts, and
perverts them.
Our desires are a mixture ofwhat God placed in us, and that
you said, and that of a fallenworld.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yes, so what I was saying, so our desires, is a
mixture of what God has placedin us and that of a fallen world
.
Yes, so what I was saying, soour desires, is a mixture of
what God has placed in us andthat of a fallen world, because
you still have, in many cases,there's things that God put in
you and the enemy taints it.
So that's why we're saying that, because there's things that
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God gives us a desire for, andthat's why we're saying that,
because there's things that Godgives us a desire for.
But the enemy for example, likesex, it was meant to be in the
confinements of marriage withthe person that God had designed
for you to be with.
But when you have sex outsideof marriage, the enemy is taking
that and tainting that.
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Or if you have sex with someoneGod never desired for you to be
with within the marriage, evenwithin the confinements of
marriage, you're still taintingsomething and the enemy's plan
is to taint what God has givenand make it evil.
So the desire to be intimatewith someone is there, right,
but the enemy always try to comeand awaken that or get you to
do something that goes contraryto the plan of God for your life
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?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, and that's always.
He always comes when you don'tknow the reason why you're doing
what you're doing Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And that's why I said so.
It was our desires.
I said it was a mixture of whatGod has placed in us and that
of a fallen world, life,experiences, culture or, better
put, our worldview.
So, and I think out of all ofthis, all of this ties into your
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worldview.
Your desires are nothing morethan your worldview.
It's a mixture between whatGod's worldview is for you, the
kingdom view, and the worldview,the wisdom of this world versus
the wisdom of God.
And so we are born into a worldof sin.
But especially for those thatGod has called, those that God
has chosen, there's things thathe placed in you before you were
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even born.
Now we're digging into Psalms139, right that David was saying
in so many words that before Iwas even born, before I was even
formed, you knew me.
Every single page, every singleday of my life was written in
your book.
He said where can I go from toescape your presence?
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If I go down to the lowestplaces, you're there.
If I go up to the highestplaces, you're there.
If it's even in the dark timesyour light still shines forth as
if it's day so.
So David was saying that therewas a revelation that he got,
that there's no place I can goand I can escape God.
You already know every move.
David also said in that passagePsalms 139, that before I think
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something, you already knowwhat I'm going to think.
Before I say something, youalready know what I'm going to
think.
Before I say something, youalready know what I'm going to
say.
So there are things that Godhas automatically placed in us
already, because the Bible sayswhat God pre-planned everything
from the end to the beginning.
There's nothing you can do thatGod won't know.
There's no move that you aregoing to make that God don't
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know that you're going to make.
But now we're going to dig intostuff yes, we can go so much
deeper.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yes, because god exists outside of time.
Yes, so you can see everythingas it's happening, when it
happened, all at the same timebecause there is no such thing
of god created time to containthis universe.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Time was literally created to contain this world,
and so but that's anothersubject.
So when we dig into worldview,do you want to read what
worldview is, babe, thedefinition of that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
sure um worldview is a person's a person's or
society's fundamental way ofthinking about the world, and
it's made up of their values,beliefs and expectations.
It's also known as a philosophy, mindset or outlook on life
exactly that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That alone explains that when I saw that it was so
perfect, because it reallysummed up what it is that we
struggle with.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, your world, your worldview, but are your, is
your worldview from?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
God.
Is it God's point of view or isit from the enemy's point of
view?
And that digs into Genesis 3, 1through 6, which I'll read real
quick and then we can dig intothat Genesis 3, 1 through 6, and
this is the New LivingTranslation version, so NLT.
The serpent was the shrewdestof all the wild animals the Lord
God had made.
One day he asked the woman didGod really say you must not eat
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the fruit from any of the treesin the garden?
Of course we may eat fruit fromthe trees in the garden.
The woman replied it's only thefruit from the tree in the
middle of the garden that we arenot allowed to eat.
God said you must not eat it oreven touch it.
If you do, you will die.
You won't die, the serpentreplied to the woman.
God knows that your eyes willbe open as soon as you eat it
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and you will be like God,knowing both good and evil.
The woman was convinced.
She saw that the fruit, thatthe tree was beautiful and its
fruit looked delicious and shewanted the wisdom it would give
her.
So I think this is so pertinentbecause it shows what took
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place when we dig in and we lookat it and we'll read that later
.
This was an example of thewisdom of God versus the wisdom
of this world.
So when we dig into theworldview of our worldview has
been tainted since Adam and Eveate from that tree.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, they chose the wrong tree.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, and it was never the same.
It was never the same afterthat, and so that was when
everything began, to where, whenyou're born into this world,
you're born into a world whereyou are taught and you
automatically move in a waywhere you go based off the
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wisdom of this world and not thewisdom of God.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Right, and that's why we have to be born again.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And our mind has to be renewed, because you, we dug
into that before.
It says what?
Before the fall of the spiritof God or before the fall of the
spirit of God?
Oh, before the fall of thespirit of God drove their minds,
but after the fall theconnection was broken.
So now we have to get back torenewing our minds so that the
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spirit of God can lead us again.
So before Adam and Eve did whatthey did, everything they did
was literally led by the spiritof God.
It was driven by the spirit ofGod.
It was driven by the spirit ofGod, it was driven by the wisdom
of God.
What are you looking at?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
No, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You got something.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And so that digs into the whole worldview, showing
that our worldview is tainted assoon as we come into this world
.
Mm-hmm.
So that digs into our desires.
Our desires are tainted as soonas we come into this world.
So that digs into our desires.
Our desires are tainted, andthe serpent was so cunning yes,
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because he just slightly shiftedit.
It was always God's desire forthere to be wisdom within Adam
and Eve.
We saw with Adam when he namedthe animals that came from a
place of wisdom and knowledge.
It was something that wasautomatically in him, that he
did, that was placed in him bythe spirit of God.
So it's not wrong that Evedesired wisdom.
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It's just he came in and hemanipulated a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
He lied.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
He said you won't surely die because she didn't,
but because she didn't know thetruth, she accepted what he said
, she accepted that seed andbecause she accepted the seed,
it bore fruit, which was athought that she thought oh my
gosh, this is tree, is sobeautiful, the food looks so
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good and she ate it, and shewanted the wisdom from it.
So she ate it.
That was the manifestation.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, and everything changed.
But the thing that was sointeresting and you pointed this
out last time, we we read it,but there were two trees in the
garden.
Yes, there were two trees inthe garden.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
yes, there were two trees in the middle of the
garden of good and evil.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And then there was tree, the tree of life, the tree
of life.
So there was a tree that led todeath, death, and it was a tree
that led to life right.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And what was interesting is when the serpent
came to Eve and she told him orthe serpent that it's the it's
only the fruit from the tree inthe middle of the garden that we
are not allowed to eat.
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God said you must not eat it,or even touch it.
If you do, you will die.
That's not what God said no, hereferenced two trees god spoke
to adam and told him that therewere two trees.
There was a tree of life andthere were.
There was a tree of theknowledge of good and evil, and
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to not eat of the fruit from thetree of the knowledge of good
and evil yes and if he did you,and if he did he would die.
He didn't say don't touch it.
He didn't say don't look at it.
He said don't eat the fruit.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's not at all what eve said so there was a uh
misinterpretation, yes, based onwhat adam said to eve.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well, we assume that adam told eve yeah and not god,
because the bible doesn't saythat god told eve.
Also, he told adam, becauseadam is the one that tends to
the garden and adam was to relayeverything, and so there's so
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many things here and it.
It was adam's job to teach her,because that he at eve is his
bride.
Just like jesus teaches us andadam taught her I don't even say
taught her wrong per, but shedidn't have a revelation.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
She didn't have a revelation of it, which is why
the enemy went to her and notAdam Exactly.
Because he knew Adam had arevelation.
But then it's interesting, andbecause she saw it, she ate from
it.
Then she gave the fruit to AdamAdam ate he did.
Now that's a whole tangent thatwe can go upon.
Yeah, and I would have to pray,because I really want more
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wisdom, and it would only be, itwould only come from the Holy
Spirit To say, okay, was Adamactually there with her?
Did Adam know what she wasgiving him?
Did Adam realize that she wasgiving him this fruit, or I'm?
Guessing that.
Well, yeah, he did, because hesaw, and that he saw it was good
too.
So something in Adam made Adamgo against what God told him to
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do, when God spoke directly tohim and told him what not to do.
But then, the beautiful thingabout that, and that's what the
Holy Spirit gave to me there wastwo options there.
There was a tree of life andthere was a tree of knowledge of
good and evil, one that led tolife, one that led to death, and
it's a reflection of the of thewisdom of this world right
versus the wisdom of god rightand the way to go ahead.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
No, no, both path.
Uh, one path leads todestruction and one path leads
to eternal life, and we alwaysmake those choices in our lives.
In every area, right, so youwill know them by their fruit
it's which path that you're on.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
And it's so interesting because in every,
like you said, in everydifferent aspect of our lives,
we are always faced with thechoice of being led by the
spirit of God versus being ledby the wisdom of this world.
The wisdom of God versus thewisdom of this world Galatians
5,.
You choose to be led by yourflesh versus you being led by
the spirit.
And we saw an example with Adamand Eve.
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The Bible says that when shesaw it immediately, she saw that
it was good.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, God made it good.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, she saw that the tree was beautiful and its
fruit looked delicious, and shewanted the wisdom it would give
her.
So immediately, what wasbeginning to happen is she was
being driven by her flesh andnot the spirit of God, and so
that is the challenge that weface.
As we dig deeper in right, theBible says, or what one of the
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points that was made, and deeperin right, the Bible says, or
one of the points that was made,our mind drives everything we
do and what the knowledge ofthis world leads to death.
The knowledge of God is whattruly leads us to divine
revelations and something thatpeople can read upon Genesis 2,
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8 through 10, baby, if you wantto read that and then Genesis 2,
15 through 17.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Well, I believe Genesis 2, 8 just talks about
what I said.
It says then the Lord Godplanted a garden in Eden, in the
east, and there he placed theman he had made.
The Lord God made all sorts oftrees grow up from the ground,
trees that were beautiful, allsorts of trees grow up from the
ground, trees that werebeautiful, which Eve said.
The tree was beautiful and thatproduced delicious fruit.
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She saw that the fruit wasdelicious.
In the middle of the garden heplaced the tree of life and the
tree of the knowledge of goodand evil.
That was Genesis 2, 8 through10, referencing, and then you
said 15 through 17.
Yeah, the Lord God placed theman in the garden of Eden to
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tend and watch over it.
But the Lord God warned him youmay freely eat the fruit of
every tree in the garden exceptthe tree of knowledge of good
and evil.
If you eat its fruit, you aresure to die.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So yeah, everything was there, everything was there.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And that's why the enemy said you won't surely die.
God said you are sure to die.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
He misconstrued it, like he essentially, and that's
what the enemy does, and that'sit, yes, so the enemy is so
interesting.
He takes the word, he slightlyshifts it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Because he knows the word.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But technically speaking, he didn't lie to Eve,
he just questioned it.
He made her question it.
Yeah, he asked, questioned it,he made her question it.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, he asked the question.
You won't surely die?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's like asking a question will you really die?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And then you have to think about did he say surely,
or did he say sure?
Did he say I will surely die,or did he say I would for sure
die?
And you have to go back andquestion, like I'll question
myself and then there wasn't arevelation right, because she
didn't die immediately.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Spiritually she did yes spiritually there was a
disconnection that took placebetween her and adam and god,
but it which so, essentially,what ended up happening?
Is it led to a spiritual deathimmediately where that
disconnection took place?
Right.
It began to really shift thingsspiritually for them, right, and
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then it also led to eventuallya physical death, yeah, and so
we have to be real careful, andthe reason I was saying that is
because a lot of times that goesback to your, your desires.
So, for example, yes, god hascalled for you to be with a
husband or a wife.
Yes, god has called for you tobe in those relationships.
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The enemy knows this too, andso he will come in, he'll taint
that at the most basic form.
Something as simple as youhaving sex outside of marriage.
You don't realize that leads tospiritual issues, spiritual
wives, spiritual husbands,spirits of perversions, a spirit
of lust, all of these differentthings that you're attaching
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yourself to, soul ties, illegalcontracts within the spiritual
realm, and then even, not tomention the things within the
natural realm God forbid.
You have a child Now you'releading to things within that
curses and all of thosedifferent things like that
contracts, right, the enemyknows this.
And the enemy knows that youdesire to have that, because it
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was a natural desire that wasplaced in you, but it's only
meant within the rightrelationship.
So he'll come and say, hey, youcan have sex, you've grown,
it's not that serious right.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
All he has to do is just plant a seed just one seed,
and it only takes one person.
It took eve.
He didn't have to go to adam,he went to eve, just one person,
and corrupted the entire worldbecause everything came through
eve the entire world adam, andthen everything else came
through Eve.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And I mean I think Dr Levy touched on that before
when you talked about everythingcomes from the woman.
At first it came from the manand then it comes through the
woman.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And so he.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
It's birth through the woman she fertilizes the egg
.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And he knew that she didn't have an understanding or
a revelation of what God said.
He understood that, and sothat's another thing that lets
us know that the enemy, he wasthere, he was around during all
of this process and that'ssomething that God was dealing
with me on, because the fall ofman took place prior to God
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creating the heavens and earth,took place prior to God creating
the heavens and earth, and so Imean not the fall of man, the
fall of Satan from heaven, allof this.
So he was there.
That's something that God gaveto me early on, maybe last year
or year before last, and it blewmy mind and it's very dangerous
because we forget or we don'trealize how cunning the enemy is
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.
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Very sly we think he's stupid.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
We think that it's just simple and that we have one
up on him.
He's been doing this for quitesome time.
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Or you think that it's just blatant in your face
and it's very, very subtle.
He said surely you won't die?
He didn't say God didn't sayyou're not going to die, because
then Eve would have been likeno, he, god, didn't say you're
not going to die.
Because then Eve would havebeen like.
No, he said we would die.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I just told you he said we would die.
He wouldn't surely Right, didhe really say?
Did he really say you surethat's what you heard and that's
so interesting which can shiftyour desires to where it can
become tainted, so that digs allthe way in, right?
Are these desires good?
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We think about Jeremiah 17 and9, and it says what the human
heart is the most deceitful ofall things and desperately
wicked.
Who really knows how bad it is?
But I, the Lord, search allhearts and examine secret
motives.
I give all people their duerewards according to what their
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actions deserve.
So now, I've read that a lot oftimes.
I've read that so many timesbecause I grew up in a church.
But what is it referring towhen it's talking about the
heart?
Because the heart is nothingbut an organ, right?
So it can't be referring to theactual heart.
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Right, that's the interestingthing.
It's referring to what the mind?
What is the definition of heartin hebrew, babe?
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definition of heart in hebrew is your mind.
Conscious, center, middle.
That's what it means.
So in hebrew the heart isreally referring to your brain,
because I don't believe thatthey had the words for what a
brain was.
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They talked about your heartthe entire time.
But your heart doesn't driveyour body, it doesn't drive your
emotions, it doesn't drive yourfeelings.
Your mind does.
Your subconscious mind driveseverything.
It tells your body when to walk, when to move, what to do.
Fight, flight Not your heart.
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Your heart literally just pumpsblood.
Yeah, Throughout your body.
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Why the Bible tells us what that Jesus said as a man
thinketh, so shall he be whenhe talks about.
If you think upon committingadultery in your mind, you've
already committed adultery.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's why the Bible tells us to what Renew our mind.
Right.
It always referred to us havingto do something with our mind.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Right.
So there's your revelation thatwhen you see heart in the Bible
, it's talking about your mind.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's talking about your subconscious.
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Right.
So Proverbs 3, 5, trust in theLord with all your heart and
lean not on your ownunderstanding.
So why would this passage saylean not on your own
understanding after you trust inthe Lord with?
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all your heart.
Yes, because the understandingcomes from your mind.
It's subconscious.
It's literally having to shiftyour subconscious, because we
talked about this before right,and this digs into the conscious
.
Versus subconscious and I'mjumping ahead a little bit we
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know that there are twodifferent parts of our mind is
the conscious and thesubconscious state.
One of the things that we knowis what that prior.
The revelation that God gave tome was that everything that we
had was being, our subconsciouswas driven by the spirit of God
within us.
Right, it was driven by thespirit of God.
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And so, after the fall of man,that disconnected us from being
led by the spirit of God, butfrom the subconscious being led
by the Spirit of God, from oursubconscious being led by the
Spirit of God.
And what took place is itshifted and our subconscious
began to be led by the wisdom ofthis world.
And so now, when we think aboutsalvation, when we think about
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going through the process ofaccepting Jesus as our Lord and
Savior, when we think about thesanctification process, the
consecration process, thewilderness experience, all of
these things, it digs back intoreattaching our spirit that's
intertwined with the spirit ofGod, to our subconscious, and
teaching ourselves now by theguidance and the strength and
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the power of the Holy Spirit, tonow once again be led by the
Spirit of God, where we're movedby the Spirit of God first,
because Adam and Eve, when weread the scriptures, what they
didn't know, they were evennaked they didn't see that.
They saw everything in theSpirit first.
It was after the fall that theyonce.
Now they're like okay, we'renaked, we need to put clothes on
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.
Now they started being drivenby their natural state.
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Right, like who told you you were naked.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Exactly, exactly, and that is the challenge that we
are faced with, right, and so welooked this up and it was so
good.
It says this.
This is just a summary.
The subconscious mind has atremendous influence on how we
think and act.
When in the conscious state,for example, you might not
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always be thinking about a phonenumber, but you can easily pull
it up when someone asks for it,this is because the phone
number is stored in yoursubconscious mind.
So everything you do day to day, without even thinking about it
, it is driven by yoursubconscious mind, everything.
And the enemy is alwaysattacking your mind by
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implanting thoughts in your mind.
Right.
He's always after the mind.
What we watch on TV, it's afteryour mind.
Right, he's always after themind.
What we watch on TV, it's afteryour mind.
What we listen to with themusic is after your mind.
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Right, and that's why you will know them by their
fruit.
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Yes, it's a seed that's planted.
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And once that seed is planted, it grows and it
manifests a harvest.
And it's like what are youharvesting If you're watching a
bunch of violent videos andplaying violent video games?
And they've done plenty ofstudies on kids who play violent
video games.
They're violent in real life.
They're violent to theirfriends, to their teachers, to
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their parents.
They commit crimes, murder,because of what they're putting
in there, what they're agreeingto, what they're fertilizing
what they're planting.
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That's what we have to focus on, and I think,
especially as believers, it's soimportant that we understand
the power of the mind.
And even the world teaches youwhat the power of the mind, and
even the world teaches you whatthe power of the mind.
Everybody is gunning for yourmind.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, the power of your mind, but also the power of
spoken word because, God spokeeverything into existence, so
words are very, very powerful.
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And let's dig even deeper.
Words are powerful.
Yeah, it begins with thoughts.
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Yes.
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Which is why jesus said yes, stop, yeah, don't even
think upon this.
If you think upon this, that'swhy the bible says what as a man
thinketh, that shall he be yeah, and so, like in the beginning,
in the beginning, the start, itstarts with a thought.
It starts with god thought aboutthe, about creating the world,
and then he created the worldexactly, and so everything
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starts there, and this is whyour desires are so important,
and it's so important that wecheck our desires.
Galatians 5 is a prime exampleof you checking your desires.
What leads your desires?
Are your desires led by yourflesh or is it led by the spirit
of God?
And see an example of and thisis random, uh, or we didn't have
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this in to go to to galatians 5, right and I mean galatians 5,
16 through 25 we have it in.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
We didn't live in by the spirit's power so galatians?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I wanted to read it though.
So galatians, uh, 5, 16 saysand and I love this the entire
chapter.
So I say let the Holy Spiritguide your lives, then you won't
be doing what your sinfulnature craves.
The sinful nature wants to doevil, which is just the opposite
of what the spirit wants, andthe spirit gives us desires that
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are the opposite.
The spirit gives us desires,the Spirit gives us desires that
are the opposite of what thesin for nature desires.
These two forces are constantlyfighting each other.
So you are not free to carryout your good intentions, but
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when you are directed by theSpirit, you are not under
obligation to the law of Moses.
When you follow the desires ofyour sinful nature, the results
are very clear Sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures,
idolatry, sorcery, hostility,quarreling, jealousy, outburst
of anger, selfish ambitions,dissension, division, envy,
drunkenness, wild parties andother sins like these.
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Let me tell you again, as Ihave before, that anyone living
that sort of life will notinherit the kingdom of God, but
the Holy Spirit produces thiskind of fruit in our lives Love,
joy, peace, patience, kindness,goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness and self-control.
There is no law against thesethings.
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Those who belong to ChristJesus have nailed the passions
and desires of their sinfulnature to the cross and
crucified them there.
Since we are living by theSpirit, let us follow the
Spirit's leading in every partof our lives yeah, your
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subconscious mind.
That's it right there.
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Because, honestly, you have people who are living
in sexual immorality.
They're less, they have lessfull pleasures, they live in a
and they have a ton of idolsthey do, they have sorcery, they
are hostile, they quarrel,they're jealous, they're angry,
they're selfish, and a lot oftimes we walk around I'm like
why am I even jealous, why am Iangry?
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Why am I having sex so much?
I don't even want to have sexwith this person.
I don't even like this person.
This isn't even my type.
It's like where does that evencome from your mind?
It comes from your subconscious.
It comes from a seed that wasplanted by the enemy by the
enemy, whether you were four,two, three, six.
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Whether it's in your bloodline.
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Exactly.
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You were born with it being in your bloodline and
then you just feed it and you'resetting up these contracts
where you're being taught toonce again be led by your flesh.
So, when we think upon desiresand its most basic form, what
drives your desires?
What drives them First andforemost, if you don't know
Jesus, if you haven't acceptedhim as your Lord and Savior, we
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already know you're driven byyour flesh.
Then we also know, based onteachings from Apostle Selman
right, that you have Christiansthat can still also be carnal.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
So you can be a believer, yet.
Be carnal, yes, so you can be abeliever, yet be carnal, yes,
and still led by your flesh,because your mind has not been
renewed.
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Your subconscious mind meaning your thoughts your
feelings what drives it?
What drives it.
Your experience in life shiftsthe way that you think about
yourself around other people.
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Culture all of these things, which is why, with all
of that, we have to let that goand that's what we now we're
digging into the process of what?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Dying to self.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
So you die to self.
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In being born again.
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Jesus said my brothers, my sisters, my mother,
my father essentially are thosethat do the will of my father.
So he said that do the will ofmy father.
So he said I've died to myculture, I've let my culture go.
I'm no longer driven by theculture of this world, I am
driven by the culture of thekingdom of God.
So it's as simple as that.
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It's simply put but, that's acheck that you can use to kind
of determine what's driving mydesires.
So, people, I'm sorry you maynot like this, but if the first
thing, that if I'm you know,you're going to talk on the
camera?
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Yeah, my bad.
So talk to the people.
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So I would say this, because we do this a lot If the
first thing when you think aboutthe person that you're with,
the first thing that you thinkabout saying to them is that oh
my gosh, she was so sexy or hewas this, you know, I love the
fact that he was six feet, Ilove the fact that he was this,
I love the fact that she wasthick, she was this, she had a
bad body.
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Or he got money.
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Or he got money and all of those things.
I'm sorry to inform you, butthat ain't God.
God would never put you in asituation where he places
someone in your life that feedsyour flesh.
That's why we dig into intimacy.
Now you have that versus peoplethat's like yo.
I don't even know what it wasabout the person.
There was something deeperwithin them that connected me to
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them.
That's someone who's not beingdriven by their flesh.
They don't understand it, butthat's someone who's not being
driven by their flesh.
Yes, you can recognize a personis pretty.
Yes, you can recognize all ofthese things, but it's not what
drives you.
That is when God is involved,because God said what Samuel and
King David.
He said you judge based on theoutward appearance.
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I look at the man's inwardappearance.
I look at their heart, theirmind, their mind, their fruit.
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Are they joyful?
Do they have patience?
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Are they kind All of the attributes?
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of what King David were.
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Now we're not saying he was perfect.
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No, but he desired.
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He desired.
The Bible says that he was aman after God's own heart.
He hated what God hated and heloved what God loved, and he had
consistently operated with theheart of what Repentance and
conviction.
So that's a check right there.
For you, it don't sound good,because a lot of people are in
relationships like that.
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That's between you and God.
But I'm telling you this is forthose who are desiring to be
married, those who are designedto get in a relationship.
Maybe you're not married yet.
This is a conversation you needto have with yourself.
Why am I with this person?
What drew me to this person?
And is what drew me to thisperson of God?
Because you have to understandthat, just like God has someone
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specific for you that he wantsto spend the rest of your, he
wants you to spend the rest ofyour life with, because they're
tied to your purpose.
They're tied to what he'scalled you all to do.
The enemy also has somethingout there that he wants to take
you off track.
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Right and the enemy.
The world is going to goagainst everything God stands
for when it comes to marriage.
So everything that we've done,the world will be like why?
Yeah, that doesn't even makesense.
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But yeah, it's not supposed to make sense to you,
because, it's not the wisdom ofthis world, it's the wisdom of
God.
Literally, it is the wisdom ofGod.
And it won't make sense to you,but as you dig into it it's
like, oh okay, thank you,because I needed these things, I
needed this, I needed this.
I went through so much becauseI tried to do these things.
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And we all have the samequestions why do I have these
desires?
Why do I feel the way I feel?
What is this?
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What are these urges?
And then you have people in theworld saying oh, this is normal
, you're supposed to.
Boys this age are supposed tobe masturbating and lusting
after women.
Let them do that.
It's normal.
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It's not normal, it's not, it's a spirit of lust and
it's a spirit of perversion, andyou're setting up contracts,
and this is why we have toalways check what we do, because
even in the church, even in thechurch, even in the body of.
Christ, the body of Christ.
You have people who arestruggling with masturbation,
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people who are struggling withpornography, that think that
it's normal and it's okay andthat they can't be helped and
they can't be changed.
You have people that areliterally in these situations,
where some of them want to befree.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, they just don't know how to.
They don't know how to, andthey don't understand, because
the world tells them it's okay,it's okay for you to have these
desires, it's normal, it'snormal for you to have these
desires.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
We can go so far there.
It's normal for you to havethese desires.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
We can go so far, there's so many, but it's not
normal.
It's normal in the world,because that's what the enemy
wants you to have.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
The world is led by the flesh?
Yes, but as a believer, youshould be led by the spirit of
God and you can be free fromevery bit of that you can be
free.
I'm telling you because.
God freed me.
God set me free from desiresand things that were not of him,
so he can do the same thingwith you and literally it.
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Um, we've already said that weknow we got off track.
Um, I think what we can go atfrom here is this cause we we
got heavily off track, but it'sgood.
We already said what we havedesires that can come from our
soul.
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We have desires that can comefrom the spirit of God.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right, oh yeah, we have to talk about that part.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, so we just kind of really talked about that,
that you have desires that cancome from both.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
You want to dig into them more oh, I was talking
about um the desires of yourheart, god giving you the
desires of your heart I wasabout to talk about okay, that's
what.
That's what I was psalms 37 and4 so psalms 37 and 4.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Do we have that out or do we need to go and?
Do you want to read it?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Let me see, let me pull it up.
I didn't write it on the notes.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Because we read that and we're reading the NLT.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
You can grab the NLT I have the NLT and the thing is
people use that scripture somuch.
Yeah, Psalms 37.
Four Take delight in the Lordand he will give you your
heart's desires.
I kind of like New King JamesVersion.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, I was looking at that too.
Delight yourself also in theLord.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, delight yourself also in the Lord, and
he shall give you the desires ofyour heart then verse five
commit your way to the lordtrust also in him, and he shall
bring it to pass.
He shall bring forth yourrighteousness as the light and
your justice as the new day.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, but and for those.
So NLT is a little bit moretoday's language, so we'll read
that part too.
Verse three says trust in theLord and do good.
Then you will live safely.
Oh, I'm sorry I forgot aboutthat part too.
Yeah, that's good Trust in theLord and do good.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah.
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Then you will live safely in the land of prosper.
Take delight in the Lord, andhe will give you your heart's
desire.
Take delight in the Lord, andhe will give you your heart's
desire.
Commit everything you do to theLord.
Trust him and he will help you.
He will make your innocenceradiate like the dawn and the
justice of your cause will shinelike the noonday sun.
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Be still in the presence of theLord and wait patiently for him
to act.
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But you can only prosper in his way, his way, his
will.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yes.
So when we dig into thisbecause we say God will give you
the desires of your heart, Godwill give you the desires of
your heart.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
The church will say just pray about it.
God will give you the desiresof your heart.
No, he will only give you thedesires of your heart.
The church will say just prayabout it.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
God will give you the desires of your heart.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
No, he will only give you the desires of your heart
that are in his perfect will foryour life, because if it
doesn't align with your perfectwill, it ain't happening.
It's not gonna happen.
And it's because he knows.
He knows what he's called youfor exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
If you fall outside of that, the enemy has legal
rights to say okay, well, sheout of line, she out of pocket,
I'm just gonna bring her overhere yep, and he can do whatever
he wants he can do whatever hewants, because whenever he wants
, and I think apostle selman, heand we'll talk about that a lot
because we listen to him a lotbut, uh, there was something
that he did that was so perfect.
He did, um, it was literallylike a demonstration, and so it
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was like it's this window, right?
And he talked about like justimagine this window.
And he's like, within thiswindow, you are in the perfect
will of God.
So within the perfect will ofGod, within that window, you
have everything you need youhave provision, you have grace,
you have protection you havefavor, you have blessings, you
have everything that you need,but if you get outside of that
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window, it's no longer there,and so, when Adam and Eve was in
the perfect world of God no,it's not under protection.
So when Adam and Eve was in theperfect world of God, they had
everything they need.
They didn't have to pray forcertain things.
It was automatically there.
They didn't worry about whatthey would eat.
They didn't worry about howthey would support themselves
where they would live.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
They didn't worry about their clothes, they didn't
worry about food.
They didn't worry aboutanything, they were already
covered.
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Everything.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
They were covered.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
And that is what the enemy is consistently trying to
do is he gets us out of that sohe can have free will to do
whatever he wants, however hewants to do it.
He can have free will to dowhatever he wants, however he
wants to do it.
And so when you think in, whenyou think about God giving you
the desires of your heart, wehave to also.
This is why we have to study.
This is also why we have to beled by the spirit of God as we
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read the scripture, because ifyou aren't being led by the
spirit of God that's, I think,first or second Timothys they
talk about the scriptures beinginspired by the spirit of god.
Right, and god really giving methe revelation a couple of
years ago about if you don'thave the spirit of god in you to
interpret the scripture, youwon't understand what you're
reading, because the bible iscoded and the only being that
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can break the code in the bibleis the holy spirit the spirit of
truth right.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
That's why it's important on who you listen to.
Exactly Like you said, you goto the church and say God will
give you the desires of yourheart, but they don't tell you
that he will only give you thosedesires if it's his desires for
you.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Exactly so.
I'm sorry.
If you want to be amultimillionaire and that's not
God's desire for you, you're notgoing to be one.
No, you one.
No, you can become one, but itwon't be God's desire.
No, it will be your own thing.
It will be.
And we have to be so carefulbecause if you're doing
something God didn't tell you todo, if you're doing something
God didn't call for you to do,we are in what disobedience yes,
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sin and sin is nothing morethan disobedience to God.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
And it doesn't matter if it looks good because it
looks good to the world.
Oh, I'm going to become a nurseis what I did?
Because it looks good.
It sounds good, I'm helpingpeople, it's what I like to do.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
But is it God's will for you?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
But is it God's will for my life?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And if it's not, you're in disobedience and, as
you know, when you went throughthat, you went through hell
trying to become a nurse.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Hell.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
You made it happen, but you went through stuff that
God never intended for you to gothrough.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
It's just like relationships we get into.
We want this because we feellike that's what we're supposed
to have.
People tell you that that'swhat you're supposed to be in
and you go through hell and yousay this is God's will for your
life and it's not.
They don't understand you.
They don't know what God'spurpose is for your life.
They can't speak life into you.
They're not there.
They're tearing you down.
All of these different things.
That is not God's desire foryour life.
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Men, I'm sorry.
The Bible tells us that we areto love our wives as Christ
loves the church.
Christ, don't tear us down.
Christ, don't control us.
Christ, don't manipulate us.
Christ accept us where we are.
He teaches us how to love.
He teaches us how to go throughlife.
He teaches us all of the thingswe're supposed to be doing.
And I'm sorry, in this world wehave had too many people that
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have told men that it is okayfor you to show up and not do
what you're supposed to do andthen blame that woman who's
looking to you.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Including the church.
We all know the anti-crisiscoming through the church.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
I'm just put that out there.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
But that's another thing.
It's another thing we'regetting off.
Yes, so when it digs intodesires, right.
That's why it's important forus to renew our mind.
We have to go through theprocess of renewing our mind.
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You have to know the truth.
Yes, the truth will set youfree it will set us all free.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
We have to, and I think I had on here Romans 5 and
12.
As far as renewing the mind, isthat Romans 5 and 12?
What is that?
I think it's Romans 12.
And you know where I'm going at.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Romans 12, 1, 2?
.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Why did you have Romans 5?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't know.
I think it's on there, but thisis what I was thinking about
Romans 12.
So Romans 12, verse 1, it saysand this is NLT, by the way.
It says and so, dear brothersand sisters, I plead with you to
give your bodies to God becauseof all he has done for you.
Let them be a living and holysacrifice, the kind he will find
acceptable.
This is truly the way toworship him.
(52:40):
Don't copy the behavior andcustoms of this world, but let
God transform you into a newperson by changing the way you
think.
Then you will learn to knowGod's will for you, which is
good and pleasing, and perfect.
I don't know how else you endthat out other than that.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
That's the only way you know you'll know God's will
for you and that's the only wayyou know your desires are'll
know God's will for you andthat's the only way you know
your desires are aligned withGod's desires that I don't know
how else you end up, but thatthat's it.
You have to go through thisprocess you have to live,
breathe, think Holy Spirit yes,outside of that, it will fail
(53:25):
yeah outside, and, and this isthat's why- it's not an easy
process.
That's why nobody talks about itor teaches about it.
Because it's not easy.
You have to let go ofeverything.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Because everything that you think, you know,
everything that you have beentaught, you might as well assume
if it's outside of God, it iswrong, even when it seems right.
The church will tell you to getmarried rather than to burn in
sin, and Paul did say that.
But Paul said specifically andthis is what you have to get.
This is Paul speaking not God,because you all are bothering me
(53:59):
and you're asking me aboutsomething that God hasn't given
me a revelation on.
So, since this is Paul speaking, I will tell you hey, if you
are burning in lust, sure goahead and get married because
it's better to just deal withthe demons that you know than a
bunch of demons from otherpeople but that was not God.
God showed us his plan and hisdesign from the beginning, that
he created Eve for Adam.
(54:20):
God said that it is not goodfor man to be alone.
Not Adam, god said it.
He said I will create ahelpmate for Adam and bring that
helpmate to Adam.
And that's where I think we goahead and stop this, because I
think we need to-.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
And get the little ones.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
So until next time and we'll dig in this later
until next time.
We appreciate you all forspending time with us and we
will see you on the next episode.
Be, blessed, be blessed.
Be, safe, be safe.
Hopefully this has been ablessing to you.
(54:59):
Yes, all right.
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