When To Get Aggressive Bowhunting Whitetail Deer

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Zakk Plocica (00:00):
Hey everyone, thanks for joining me again on
the show.
This is episode three andtoday's guest is Joe Kaliszewski
.
Joe was born and raised innorthern Wisconsin and got his
start in archery at the age offive, where he grew up primarily
bowhunting whitetail deer.
He joined the Marine Corps in2003 and served as a recon
Marine and later transferred tothe Navy in 2016, where he's

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currently serving as a criticalcare flight nurse here at Camp
Lejeune.
He has maintained his passionfor bowhunting throughout his
career 2016, where he'scurrently serving as a critical
care flight nurse here at CampLejeune.
He has maintained his passionfor bow hunting throughout his
career and has even passed hispassion for hunting onto his
wife and five of their sixdaughters.
So today we're going to discussJoe's aggressive approach for
bow hunting, his reasons forhunting with an 80 pound bow,
overcoming target panic as ahunter, and his expectations and

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prep for his first elk hunt inColorado this year.
Enjoy the episode, joe.

Joe Kolaszewski (00:47):
What's going on , man?

Appreciate you taking the time and sit down and
talking to me.

Absolutely.

Thanks for having me Absolutely man, so I don't
have a lot of I don't know youpersonally a lot.
We've had interactions withinthe shop and you know JR pretty
well.
Yeah, we hunt together, and he'sbeen working on my bow for, I'd
say, a couple of years now,actually quite a little while,
yeah yeah, and I actuallyreached out to him and I was
like man, you know, I want totalk to Joe he's.

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You know cause it was either Jror maybe your wife tagged us on
um social media that hunt youhad in Virginia.
And from there.
I was kind of fascinated withit, man, because that was the
video of.
It is incredible and we'll talkabout that shortly.
But you know I want to startoff with.
You are a prior Marine reconMarine and then you transferred

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from the Marine Corps to theNavy to be a critical care
flight nurse.
That's right.
So what was the?
And to me this is just prettyinteresting what was your reason
from going from Marine Corps,recon Marine to that different
career path?

I'd say that the biggest kind of deciding
factor was a deployment inAfghanistan.
It was in 2010, 2011.
We dealt with some casualtiesand I just kind of wanted to
kind of switch the roles that Iwas providing no longer the
warfighter, I wanted to providethat medical service to the
warfighter.
I wanted to provide thatmedical service to the
warfighter from a differentaspect.

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So that was probably thebiggest reason and as far as the
rationales to why with a bigchange, so when, as a critical
care flight nurse, is that just?

are you just providing that?
When on deployments, or is thathere stateside?
You're every day's what you do.

You're on a helicopter so so basically, you
focus on the, the, you know,deployment side of it okay, um,
as far as training, you know,we're constantly on whatever
platform, being that we'recasavac teams, so it's air,
ground, amphibious platformsthat we're transferring these
patients.
Um, so a lot of us focus ontraining back here, uh, in the
states, and then once we we'redown range as far as deployment

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goes, that's when we're we'reactually transporting the actual
, the patients and everything.

Oh, okay, so it's not actually here Stateside,
it's okay, it's deployment basedso what's your deployment
rotation like with this in thiscareer versus the Marine Corps?

It's definitely lessened.
As far as just deployment rates, there's a few things just with
how COVID kind of kicked off.
We had to support some thingsin the States with that and then
it was a few years I want tosay maybe two years ago, three
years ago when Operation AlliedFreedom were welcoming all the

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Afghans coming back into theStates.
So we provided medical supportfor that mission bringing all of
those individuals into theQuantico area.
There was a few transports thatwe assisted with during that
time frame, but they hadcivilians on site where we'd do
a turnover with them, withwhatever patients that we
encountered.

Oh wow.
So everything you're doing, Imean it's all trauma-based right
.
For the most part yeah, andthat was one of my questions
that kind of led into like thebow hunting side of things.
So, bow hunting is your primaryyour a hundred percent focus,
absolutely.
So, and that was kind of aquestion for me or that I had
for you, is you know, when I,when I read critical care flight

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nurse, my instant thought wasyou know, stress, high stress,
high stress, trauma, just a lot,uh, to take in all the time.
Um, and I was curious as to, isyou know, with all your
extensive background withbowhunting, is that kind of your
release?

oh 100 percent um for me, you know, going out
in the woods, just being innature, is uh, you can't replace
that with anything else,whether it's just watching the
animals you don't necessarilyhave to, you know, harvest
anything, it's just out there,you know, being in the
wilderness, being with you knowthe Lord, and just studying the

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animals, and I think that makesus that much better as a hunter
and just a man in general.

Right, absolutely, and I think that makes us that
much better as a hunter and justa man in general.
Right Absolutely.
I'm I, and for me, one of thethings that I'm big on is if I
get an opportunity to be on thewoods.
I mean, I'm all about it 100%,you know.

I.

I had times where I got caught up and it's like,
oh, it's not a perfect day, it'snot really, but you know, um,
because with business and stuffit's hard to.
It's like you, I mean, you haveto really kind of maximize your
time in the woods and kind of,you know, put some serious
thought in when do I have timeto, how can I make the most out
of this?
And that's what I try to dowith my hunting, is, you know?

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Because getting out of thewoods, you know, is I mean like
like anybody man, it's justbeing out there.
It's like you can feel thishuge weight, absolutely it.

It's like you can feel this huge weight,
absolutely, it's 100% a release.
Lately, I'd say within the pasttwo to three years, I've kind of
transitioned into going outwith my family and just going
out with buddies and for me Ifeel I'm at the point in my just
hunting career where I get morejoy seeing a friend, seeing my
wife, seeing my children harvestsomething and, um, teaching

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them the ways of the, of nature,teaching them you know,
sportsmanship, the right, thewrong you know.
Just building that bond with myfamily, my friends is is super
important to me.

Right and I think very, very important um to pass
on to the next generation rightCause I have three boys, but you
have six girls.
I did not realize how many kidsyou had, and on top of that you
got all girls in the house.
So how do you?
I mean what's the ages, what'sthe the?

so the youngest is going to be eight years old
and the oldest will be 22.

Oh, okay, so the, the oldest out of the house she
is.
She is Okay.
So, and you said five of six ofyour daughters are into the
hunting side of things.
So was that kind of like anatural thing?
Or was it like, hey, you know,you, you pushed them a little
bit to it, they ended up takinga liking to it.
Or were they kind of like theywatched dad going out and
they're like hey, I want to dothat too.

So the way I introduced my girls is I would
never pressure them.
If they wanted to come, theycan come, and when they would
come, it was you know almost arucksack full of snacks, full of
you know drinks, full of youknow games.
And we were just out there, tobe out there and just spending
time with each other.
I'd say, for the first year orso we didn't bring any weapons.

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It was just, hey, let's just gosit out there.
They didn't want to shootanything, they just wanted to
hang out.
And then it got to the pointwhere, like, hey, we kind of
want to shoot something, let'sget it on the action.
That'd be kind of cool.
So once that happened it was,I'll say, the middle child she,

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um, she harvested a turkey lastyear for the pirate classic
competition here in northeastern north carolina, and I
had my other daughter with atthat point.
She didn't want to hunt, shewasn't ready to shoot anything
to harvest anything, um.
So she did that and then all ofa sudden she's like wait, dad,
I think I want to do this now.
So just slowly introducing themto it and again not pressuring
them.
If it's hey, the deer are goingto do this now.
So just slowly introducing themto it and again not pressuring
them.
If it's hey, the deer are goingto be moving in 30 minutes, but

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they want to leave in 20minutes, we'll pack up and leave
.
Yep, yeah.

Yeah, I have a similar approach, cause I've got
three boys, um, and I've never,you know, I've, I've, I wanted
them to get into it, um, butagain, I never really, you know,
force them into it because, itis.
There's a lot of just it's.
It's not always exciting,there's not always action.
Um, and I took a similarapproach and just got by going
out in the woods and you know,but they wanted to take weapons,

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so we'd go out with a you know,a BB gun and we'd go sit in the
woods and we'd wait for deerand nine times out of 10, there
wasn't a deer coming by, butjust getting them out there.
And sometimes it was like we'dbe out there for 15 minutes.
Other times we'd be out therefor a couple hours.
It really was based on them.
And I know one of the um,looking back a couple of years
ago, one of the firstexperiences with my little guy,

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he um, he, he thinks he wants togo hunting Right, and we, we
went out there and I made sure,like you, we had snacks we had
drinks and we had an iPad.

Yep, absolutely .

We sat out in a box, blind, with Thomas the
train on, you know, and ended upa deer coming.
We had there was a little, acouple of does that came out and
my oldest boy at the time, um,I think he was like he was maybe
10.
Um, so this has been a coupleof years back, but he ended up
shooting a doe, uh, with a rifle, and you know, just together

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was awesome, but it was funnybecause we had, you know,
they're got chips, thomas, thetrains go in, and it was just,
it was different, but it wasawesome, um, to get them out
there with me and us doing ittogether and just kind of
spending that time together andthen ultimately being successful
.
Yeah, you know, it was just fun, it was cool and it's really

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kind of piqued their interesteven further.

I mean, it's still, there's still snacks and
you know I mean I bring mysnacks too, so I'm guilty just
as much as they are.

Yeah, but I think it's important, man.
I mean, it's a great bondingopportunity, uh, but for you
with six, is it like, hey, I'mgoing with dad this time, or
we're going as a pack?
There's six of us in a blind.

Sometimes it is difficult where I feel I have
to ensure I'm balancing it.
But uh, having my wife also whohunts um it helps a lot as well
.
So you know, we'll have onedaughter sit with my wife, one
daughter will sit with me, orI'll have buddies come out and
they'll, you know, sit with aanother one of my daughters.
So trying to balance that asbest as I can, um, and then you

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know, they're young, they don'tfully understand, you know
celebrating a harvest forsomeone else yet.
So if one shoots, you know anice eight pointer, the other
ones might be like.
Well, I want to get an eightpointer.

So then it's like well sweetie.

I got one here, Like we got some pictures of
them.
We just got to find the righttime to go out.
So, they're super active too,so they're involved in a lot of
sports.
So just trying to balance thathome life, the sports life and
then also the outdoors by likeside of it.

It can be difficult at times for sure, it
absolutely is, and that's evenlike planning hunting trips
around family because the kidseither want to go or they've got
sporting events.
Yeah, I'm with you, man.
There's definitely a lot ofjuggling involved in doing all
the stuff that you want to dobut then incorporating and then

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doing the things that they'redoing as well.
It's a challenge, but it's fun.

Yeah, I never fully understood as a child
growing up, you know my dadwould take me out and um the
amount of work that he would putin.
I would overlook it because hewould just set me up in this
stand and all of a sudden Ishoot it, you know, at a nice
deer.

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And then it's like, oh, thanks,dad, and now I'm in his shoes
and it's like, wow, I reallyappreciate everything that you
stuck into me, you know beingsuccessful, because there's a
lot of work that you got to putinto hunting, especially when
you're trying to, you know, setyour children up or, you know,
get your wife out on something.
It's a lot of time anddedication that you have to do
to it yeah, a lot of time in thefield that they don't see.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
Your wife hunts too, so you gotan entire family that hunts.
We do.
So was she?
Whenever?
Was she always a hunter?

No.
So um kind of introduced her tohunting and it just it took off
Like she absolutely loves it.
Um, starting off, I would sitwith her and know we would talk
through.
You know, whatever the scenariois that we're you know in at
that time.
And then she got to the pointwhere she hunts alone now, um,
and she actually harvested areally good bear this year yeah,

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I saw the picture.
Uh, that was awesome yeah, wasshe by herself when she shot it
I was with her, um, I was in asaddle like a tree right behind
her.
Maybe you know 10 yards, um,but she's absolute champ.
Like she was just stone coldstatue Didn't move for like two
and a half hours and that bearcame out and she got them at
seven yards.
That's awesome.
Yeah, she shooted with a rifle,she did.

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Yeah, she got him with therifle.

Is she a bow hunter too?

She does.
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
Um, I I feel this year it washer first year bow hunting.
I just I wanted to make sureshe was fully ready.
Um, so we were sitting in thesame stand.
I put a lock on, I was in thesaddle behind her and, uh, I
think she actually she made avideo about this.
Um, she, you know, panned backto me.
I had a bunch of seed ticks allmy my abdomen, so I'm like

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picking them off and she'smaking fun of me like all these
invisible bugs.
And then it was maybe an hourlater.
She starts picking them off herhands and then they're on her
neck, her face, and this was herfirst time bow hunting, so I
felt bad, but I mean, sheprobably had six, 700 bites on
her from these seed ticks.
Welcome to the game.

Yeah, was that here in Eastern North Carolina?
It was the worst, it was bad.
Yeah, what time of year was it?
Was it early season?

It was opening day of archery, that was like
September 13th, 14th orsomething.
Yeah, a hundred degrees, yeah,just miserable.
It's great, babe, I promise.
Yeah, it's so fun.

Oh, that's awesome man.
I um so.
Do any of your daughters bowhunt too.
Are they all still on rifles?

So they all rifle hunt.
They, um, they share, share.
They have two bows that theyshare, so we'll just shoot in
the backyard.
We got a little range in thebackyard.
Um, they want to start bowhunting.
But again, just like with mywife, I want to make sure, just
like we did, you know growing up.
You want to make sure that youcan, you know, have an ethical
kill, that you're fully readyfor it.

So it'll be a few years probably, before they
start bow hunting yeah so my son, my oldest boy, gavin, he is 13
, he'll be 14 this year and he'sfinally decided that he wants
to do the bow hunting thingright, so he's killed him with
rifles the last couple years, um, but I went to kentucky this
year and I showed him picturesand showed him all the deer and
he's like, dude, I want to go tokentucky.

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I'm gonna say, well, if you'regoing to kentucky, we bow hunt
Kentucky.
Yeah, I mean, you know I goduring bow season, yep.
Um, he's like I want to get inthe bow game.
I'm like, let's do it, man.
So we're going to build him outof bow.
Uh, I think I'm going to buildhim, uh, one of the Hoyt cobalts
.

Okay.

So it looks like a glove.
That's perfect.
He'll outgrow it in probablytwo years, yeah uh, but it's a.
It's lightweight.
It's a great bow that he can.
We can set it at 45 pounds athis draw length, build some
arrows and get him set up.
But I'm gonna get him in asaddle that's awesome so I'm I
know you're a big saddle guy.
Yes, um, I enjoy both.
I hunt out of a lock on and asaddle, but as far as for me,
like safety goes, I really feellike saddle is incredibly safe.

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I'm comfortable with him in asaddle, cause we go and climb
trees now and I've got him up init.
I just feel like he's reallysafe in it.

Hands down, like if you use the saddle
properly, if you're always usingyour lineman, once you get set
up on your base, your lineman.
Once you get set up on yourbase, your lineman's still
attached.
You hook your tether up.
At no point are you everdisconnected from that safety
harness right.

Um, I feel it's the safest way to hunt.
Yes, like hands down,absolutely so, that was one of
our things.
So I've got him his own little.
So he's got he, we're gonna dohis bow build right.
He's got his own little, packout his saddle and stuff and so
we're starting early.
Because I told him I'm likelisten, man, like you have gotta
be you know.
I'm not going to take you ifyou're.
You haven't put in the effort,um, prior to going right.
I'm just not.
I just not not within.

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Ethically, I just couldn'tallow it, um.
So we got, you know, we got our3d stuff we're going to be
doing this year.
So he'll be out there shootingthat Um and he'll be climbing
trees all summer long, you know,getting ready to go, um, and
hopefully we'll be able to gotogether to Kentucky this year
and more than anything, I justwant to get him on a deer there.

Oh, for sure that's.
It's crazy how that transitionhappens.
When you get your kids involved.
It's no longer about us, right?
It's about what how hard can Iwork and what can I do to make
them successful?
And when they are, I'm tellingyou it's like a tear jerking
moment for me, it's wild, it'slike I'm trying to hold these
tears back, but, dude, I'm justgoing to let them go, cause this

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is awesome.

Absolutely, man and I.
One thing too like for me is mykids.
I've never um, even my littleguy, right.
So if we've ever killedanything we brought home, I've
never hid anything from them.
Yeah, the entire process, um,but I've always made sure that
they're respectful with whateverthey do.
Like my oldest boy, he loves gogo squirrel hunting.
Okay, right, I'm like dude.

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You realize, whatever you shoot, we're eating, we're utilizing
this thing.
You're not just going to go outand kill stuff.
Absolutely um and same thingwith same thing with my little
guy.
My little guy's all about hewants to kill stuff.
But I'm like dude, if you, wego out and you shoot something,
you're, you're part of this,you're going to process it,

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you're going to help order it up.
You know there's, you're notjust going to that on.
And, like you said, the ethics,the ethical side of things, man
, I mean.
I see a lot of people thatforget that Especially.
You know, as a kid I rememberbeing a kid I wouldn't go out
and just shoot things ohabsolutely yeah, and I didn't
think anything more about it.
But as I've gotten older, I'mlike we're not doing that, guys.

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We're going to actually, youknow, be respectful for whatever
we're shooting, and that's whyI'm so big on, too Like you're.
You're using a specific weapon.
You got to practice with it100%, be proficient with it.
We're not just going to go outthere and wing it.

Yep, so yeah, we actually uh just for saddle
hunting in general.
I don't have any large trees inmy backyard so I went to like or
local uh lumber yard and boughta telephone pole and sank the
telephone pole in my backyardjust to.
You know those different shotangles that you know everyone's
like.
Oh, it's so super easy tosaddle hunt, it's not, it ain't.

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You know, your strong sideshots are good, but that's not
always going to be the case whena deer presents a shot, or
whatever animal you are huntingso you're, you're climbing up on
um telephone poles.

Have you had any issues?

because they're so hard, they're slick no, uh,
so I don't climb up high.
Okay, I'll set my base maybe afoot off the ground, gotcha that
makes sense, it's just solelyto practice those different
angles and you just go throughmy shot sequence when I'm in the
saddle and you know maneuveringthrough it right, and the thing
I do like about the saddle manis the opportunity that it does
give you, though.

Yeah, with one tree selection, because you can
climb just about anything youwant.

There's not a tree out there that you can't
climb, in my opinion, right, um,I'm with you and what it allows
me, you know I used to use likea climber summit something and,
um, you're always climbingstraight trees, right, find a
pine tree and you'll be set withthe saddle.
You don't.
You can stay away from the pinetree so you're not sticking out
like a sore thumb.
You look like a limb branchingoff that tree.

Whenever you go for tree selection, are you
someone that looks to try to getup in canopy and really
disappear into it?
Or I mean, how do you go aboutwith tree selection?

So it all depends it's going to be varying
kind of the geographicallocation.
In eastern North Carolina.
I try to get as high aspossible because it is a lot of
pines Right.
So I try to get to the.
You know the canopy level, um,but anything else as far as
whether it's you know, virginia,kentucky, I'll try to find
something that has, you know,five, six different trees
growing.
You know, disappear in a set upin the middle and you don't

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have to go high at that placeeither.
You know, 10, 15 feet is allyou need which I'm about, that.

I like staying, if I can get away with that 10 to
15 foot level, I'm all about itfor sure, and I really really
like getting into something thatI almost have to cut myself
into if that makes sense.
So that, um, because I'm thisyear in Kentucky, man like I got
busted multiple times, you know, when I thought I had the
opportunity and I had a reallygood opportunity on a big 10

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point deer and I blew it.
Man, like it was.
He was seven yards from me andI was like, oh, this is my
opportunity, I go to get a fulland he, right when I get to
anchor, he busts me and hebounces out of there.
Oh, man, and looking at it, itwas.
I mean, I was 12 feet in theground and I just didn't have

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enough back cover like I thoughtI did from the position and he
came out in the worst possibleposition.

And they always do.
Which is they're notorious?
They always do.

You know, I'm like if this thing and all the other
ones I saw that morning, he hadcome out on my strong side
where I had a good back cover,everything was good.
But this dude, the big guy, didnot, man, and I was like, well,
there you go.
Got to be smarter next time.
But yeah, I really enjoy thesaddle side of things for one.
I personally feel safe in it,um, and I like the.

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Even when I hunt in a lock on,I use a saddle.
Okay, I set up the same waybecause I liked the ability that
hybrid setup right, I could sitdown or I could turn around and
use like a, you know, aplatform and just stand there
facing the tree.
It gives you the best of bothworlds.

And that was the problem I'd run into hunting
out of a lock on is, you know,your backside shot.
It's tough, you know, and Ifound myself at times like I'm
going to stand up on my seatwearing a safety harness, but
still it's, it wasn't safe.

Yeah, so it's kind of it's.
It wasn't safe that big yeah.

So it's kind of , it's the lock on is safe, but
it doesn't give you theopportunities that a saddle will
give you right, I feel 360degrees.

I can shoot anywhere when I'm hunting out of
a saddle yeah, yep, I agree,man, and, like I said, I have, I
have a.
I like uh gear and equipment.
I for some reason love umplatforms and I love packs.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know why,but I do.
I've got, so I've got a handfulof platforms, um, you know, I
run a uh, the XOP, theretrograde and the cold world,

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uh for hang ons, uh, and thenI've got a trophy line on X, um,
just platform that I use, useand I really like those three
and kind of.
You know, depending on what I'mfeeling for the day or where
I'm at, I'll determine whichplatform I'll use.
But, man, I like having theoptions and I like the
versatility that just the saddleside of things provides.

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I think there's just you can dowhatever you want wherever you
want.

Yeah, and especially here it's so thick.
Yeah, so I'm a big nerd when itcomes to sticks.
Oh, okay, so yeah, I've builtcustom sticks.
I've switched pieces out oncertain sticks and this year I
finally I broke down and got thetethered one sticks.

That's what I got.

But then I had my dad.
He's pretty savvy with a sewingmachine, so he took some
tubular nylon and he made atwo-step eighter.
So I have three sticks and Ican get about 25, you know, 30
feet with the three sticks andthen having those two-step
eighters, which is is perfect,Right.

So I have a little bit different approach when it
comes to the eighter.
Um, so I I typically run two ofthe tethered one sticks.
I also have the trophy linesticks, which I like.
They're a little bit heavierbut they bite.
They work really really well.
I've got some Hawk Heliums, butI really am a big fan of the
tethered one stick, just becausethey're so light.
Yeah, but I use a deployableater is what I call it, but it

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stays attached to my binoharness.

Okay.

And what it is is.
It's am steel that's fish eyed.

Okay.

And it's got the fish eye and I'll put it on my
versa button and I'll step upwith each step.
Okay, that's good, just sobecause, um, it's just, it's,
it's always there and I don'thave anything else hang.
I'm, I'm a big on minimalistyeah, I don't like anything
extra hanging off that it wouldget hung up on um.
So that's kind of what I'vegone to.
Uh, I've never run a two-stepeighter before but I know a ton
of dudes that do that reallylike it, and I know you can get
way higher that way yeah, butthat's what's cool about saddle
hunting too, though, is likewhat you just explained.

It's based off the creativity.
You can go as far as you wantwith it absolutely.

There's no wrong way to do.
That's right.
Yeah, that's right.
So yeah, big fan of it, man, sosure you do you only bow hunt.

So this year was the first year where I
strictly only bow hunted.
Rifle hunted in the past.
It just I enjoy it, but I don'tenjoy it like I enjoy bow
hunting.
It's different man.
It's a game changer when itcomes to bow hunting.
I'm not saying rifle huntingisn't as challenging, oh right,
right, right.
But when you can take a shot,you know 200, 300 yards,

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whatever you're comfortable withshooting, and then with a bow I
mean you're maxing EasternNorth Carolina maybe 35, 40
yards.
On a good day, yeah, and thenyou know, if you go, you know
Virginia, kentucky or something,maybe a 50, 60-yard shot on,
you know conditions are good totake that shot type thing.
So conditions are good to takethat shot type thing.
So it's just the challenges.
There You're.
It's a more personal, up closewith the animal.

It is, and that's one that's the reason I'm such a
band a fan of bow hunting is.
I like so when, whenever my mythought on bow hunting is, I
want it to be as close aspossible.
I don't want to and I'm, I'm,I'm a very patient.
I've become almost overlypatient at times as well when it

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comes to taking a shot which iskind of blown some
opportunities because it wasthere and I let it pass, um, but
I like it almost like a chipshot man, I like it to be, I
want it to be where I'm 100confident in it and I, um, I
like everything close if I canshoot everything at seven yards
oh yeah, that's why I'm about itand I just I.

that's one of the things I like everything
close, if I can shoot everythingat seven yards.

that's why I'm about it and I just that's one
of the things I like about bowhunting the challenge, how
everything's got to be right,the wind, your scent, your
access, the way you hung yourstand, all of it.
Man, I love the challenge thatit presents.
You know, with a bow, yeah.

I mean I look at it as you're in that deer's
backyard with a bow.
Yeah, I mean I look at it asyou're in that deer's backyard.
If you were to walk into yourhouse and your your couch is
three inches to the left, you'regoing to notice it.
So with bow hunting you got toapproach it kind of the same way
.
Like you can't go in there,clear a bunch of lanes, like you
could with a rifle, you knowthen they step out 300 yards and
they don't really know what'sgoing on.
But with bow hunting you're upclose and personal.

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So you have to be a extremelyproficient and professional when
it comes to you know how you'regoing about if you want to
harvest a nice animal absolutely.

Yeah, you've got to uh coming out on top too.
I mean it feels because youhave to put in that much effort.
Yeah, you know, and there's aand I like the, I like the
thought of strategy oh yeah thatI, I put into or coming up with
a game plan, and before, beforeI even get in the woods, I'm
like I got it laid out.
This is how I'm going to accessthe woods, based off the wind,

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um, and I, I just likeeverything that goes into it
because, ultimately, when youend up successful, it's even
that much better it's.
It doesn't feel so much likeluck, it feels like I should,
you know, put in the time I cameup with the strategy in order
to execute on this for sure.
So, yeah, I love it, man, it's,it's a challenge.
I think this year I'm going toplay with a trad bow a little

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bit too, okay, um, justsomething different.
You know, I see guys like JoeLong and Ruben and those guys
man, um, they had a really, theyhad really good years this year
with the traditional bow, and Ilook at it.
It too, because all my shotshere in north carolina have been
like 12 to 15 yards, yeah.
so I'm like, oh man, let me, letme make this even harder than I
should and try that way if I,if I screw it up, I can do to

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trad bow yep, it was the bow.

It was the bow, yeah.
So yeah, I mean I haven't gonedown that path yet.
Um, I don't know if I will.
I just I really enjoy thecompound, I enjoy the
opportunities that it gives me,just with the technology that
they have nowadays, I'm just Iguess I'm not that that
dedicated yet to go with atraditional bow.

Man, I don't know, I think I love, I love a
compound bow too, man, I lovethe technology, I love the
energy they put out, I loveshooting them far for fun.
Um, so I just, I just like bowsman.
I just once I picked one up man, it was a game changer for me,
um, and I just kind of liked todabble in everything and the

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trad side I hadn't.
I never really.
I had messed with it a littlebit but I never really got into
it.
And then I talked more to guyslike Joe and you know I and
Ruben and those guys, and itjust intrigued me more and more.
So it's something else to throwin there and just get a shot
man and see Um, but it'sdefinitely uh, it's, it's
challenging.

I can only imagine.
I've never tried it, Um, and Idon't know if if I'm ready for
it.
Cause that, that step up in thechallenge level.

Oh you would be, you would just.
It'd just be a different rabbithole for you.

Yeah, and that's yeah.
That's what I'm you.
You're a little bit differentthan a lot of the, the customers
that get.

We get through and we get a lot of them, but you
shoot an 80 pound bow and, to beexact, an 87 pound bow, yeah,
so there's going to be some uhdiscussion on this, yeah so I'm
a big fan of 80 pound bows.
Uh, I have, I have a shorterdraw length, um, and I think if
you can shoot it, why not?

Especially if you can shoot it comfortably Um.

so what's kind of your reason for going that heavy
poundage?

route.
So I like shooting a heavierarrow and when I say to me it's
a heavy arrow.
It's about a 550 grain arrow.
Um, I'm not a speed freak byany means.
I used to be when I was younger.
Um, you know, shooting superlight arrows just trying to get
as much out of it, but with thatthat heavy poundage at around
87 pounds.
With the 550 grain arrow Ithink it's shooting right around

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like two 89 to 90 for feet persecond.
What's your draw length?
Uh, 29 and a half.

Okay, yeah, that's screaming fast and it's quiet.

Yep, that's the biggest thing is I want a quiet
bow that's super efficient and,like you said, if, if I can
pull it and I can pull itcomfortably, and like I said
I'll, I'll try crazy positions,I turkey hunt with it.
So I'm sitting, I'm in thesaddle, whatever it is.
You know I never shoot the samewhen it comes to like my
position.
I always try to change it upand challenge myself to see okay

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, can I do it this way, can I doit that way, whether it's
sitting, kneeling, standing, youknow.
So I'm comfortable doing thatand I'll continue doing that
until I can no longer, you know,pull that bow back at that
poundage.

Yeah, I'm with you on that, man.
Um, why not if you can?
Yeah, yeah.

And I'm not knocking on guys who you know
shoot 60, shoot 70.
Um, and honestly I don't bowhunting a lot of colder climates
.
So maybe if I was bow hunting,say where I grew up, northern
Wisconsin, I may not shoot 87pounds because it's going to be
a lot more difficult to pullthat when it's cold, right?
So maybe bump it down to 75,whatever.

Yeah, that makes sense, man.
I mean, I think a lot of peoplereally knock stuff before they
even consider a reason to lookat it.
And I'm not saying 80-poundbows are for everybody, because
they're definitely not, and that.
We know dudes, I know old guys.
Mr Bobby, he's been huntingforever and he shoots like 45 or

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50 pounds and he absolutelykills good deer every year.

I mean speed doesn't kill its accuracy.

Absolutely, absolutely right, yeah and
that's what people forget,though, too.
With a bow is, you know, shotplacement.
You know the goal is a good,clean shot.
So that's not just packing on abunch of poundage on a bow,
shooting a heavy arrow and putit wherever you want, the goal
is still shot placement.
Yeah, i's not just packing on abunch of poundage on a bow,
shooting a heavy arrow, and putit wherever you want, the goal
is still shot placement, yeah.

I'm not the guy where it's like I'm going to
bust through a shoulder.
I'm not trying to take thosemarginal shots.
Um, I actually won't take ashot unless it's a clean,
ethical shot that presentsitself.
So I know there's a lot of guysout there that you know they're
talking about.
You know these certainbroadheads are.
They're bone crushers and it'slike that's great.
I mean I encourage you guys todo that if that's what you want.

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Like you said it's you can'tknock it until you try it, type
thing.
So I won't knock any bow hunterfor whatever they're shooting.
It's whatever you'recomfortable with and whatever
you can shoot proficiently.

That's it.
That's a great thing aboutarchery and bow hunting man.
There's so many options outthere.
There's so many great brandstoo oh yeah when it comes to
bows, I mean all the top brandsnow are awesome, yeah, um, so I
mean you really can't get hungup on one brand in my opinion.
Uh, and you know, I mean in theefficiency and the energy that
these bows have now with the camsystems, um, I mean I mean

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you're getting crazy speeds andenergy out of even you know
lighter poundage bows, yeah,yeah.

I would say uh, shoot every bow before you make
a purchase.
Shoot everyone, yep, don't getsold on.
Oh hey, I want to Hoyt, liketry the Matthews, try the PSE,
try the prime, try every bow outthere.
It's what bow you shoot thebest and what feels the best you
know while you're shooting it?
Absolutely, and what feels thebest you know while you're
shooting it.

Absolutely, absolutely, because they do
change every year, man.
Um, you know, some years somebows feel better than others,
and you know, I've never been,you know, a brand, uh, loyal
individual, especially with thebow side of things, and that's.
That's the thing about our shoptoo, and that's the reason I
started to shop the way we didis because I want people to come
in and have options and youknow, if you you want the

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Matthews bow, we've got theMatthews bow, but if you want
the PSE, the prime, the bow tech, we carry those too, because
you know they they makeincredible bows, man, and I
think, um, people should be lesscaught up on what everyone else
is shooting and focus on whatfeels good for them and kind of
what their end goal is too.
Absolutely, you know our targetguy, you, a bow hunter, your

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saddle hunter, your groundhunter.
I mean, take all those thingsin consideration before making
your bow purchase.
Yeah, for sure.
So you had a really successfulyear in Virginia this year.
I did.
So this was like we hit on it alittle bit earlier, but this was
cool man, um, your, I think itwas.
Like I said, I think it was Jror somebody that told me about
it.
Show me the video.

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I think I saw it after the fact, uh, your wife had put it up on
social media or something too.
Um, but you were in Virginiaand you shot a nice buck on the
ground and so you have to paintthis picture because it was
raining.
Yep, it was.
I mean, the video was awesomeand you were at full draw.
What looked like ever.

I would say it was.
It was maybe a minute, twominutes, but it felt really long
.

I mean, yeah, so, so let's, let's start from the
beginning.
How did you get on this deer?

So my best friend lives up in Virginia and
um, just kind of the backstoryis how we captured the video as
well.
Previously we'd always meet upin September, October, Hunt,
Virginia, on his farm, and thisyear he kind of started this
business, this company Execute.
So he's like, hey, let's try toget some video footage and we
just had our cell phones.
We don't have fancy cameras.

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Brand new to the game as far asvideoing.
So we did that.
Both side of the hunters wereset up.
You know it started raining um,the wind picked up really
strong and we're sitting there,maybe a couple hours pass and we
see what appears to be a prettymature white tail walking
through the pasture.
So I'm looking at him and wekind of come up with a game plan

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like hey man the wind's in ourfavor, it's raining.
It's going to mask our movement,our sound.
Let's try to be aggressive andmake a move on this deer.
We do it all the time withturkey hunting.
We're super aggressive.
Why not try it with whitetail?
You know the worst thing thathappens is we blow the?
hunt, but he's not coming to us,so we climb down, kind of

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strategize, as far as you know.
You go this way, I'll go thisway.
And we started moving on thisdeer and at one point I had lost
visual on him.
He had pushed up, you know,came into some defilade and he
just bedded down right there.
So, mike, he was maybe 100, 150yards behind me, to uh, to the
right, and he still had eyes onhim.
So we just, you know, picked upour phones and we started

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communicating back and forth.
So he tells me hey this is wherethe deer's at.
I try to slowly move,maneuvering on him and I spot
the horns and this the wholetime.
Mike can see the entire thing,so he's videoing it and just
slowly stalking up on this deerand I was surprised how close I
was able to get to this deer.
But in order to get a shot onthat deer, and he was bedded.

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A lot of people are like oh, howdo you shoot a bedded deer?
I look at as well.
Try stalking on any animal,especially a whitetail in his
backyard.
Like it's a challenge, likeit's the ultimate challenge in
my opinion.
So I was stalking it.
Maybe 35, 40 yards is when Ipulled my bow back and just

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slowly started maneuvering in onhim and got within, I'd say,
about 10 to 8 yards.
It was pretty close and I wasable to get a shot off.
It was a great shot.
He ran maybe 35 yards and thenthat was it.
He expired right there.

The video is incredible on it because it's
it's off of a distance, yourbuddy's recording.
I mean it's raining, you cansee the wind blowing, I mean,
and then you're at full draw andyou're creeping up on this
thing and he's bedded down on afence line, isn't he?

Yeah, yep.

Yeah, from what I remember, down on a fence line,
a cattle fence a lot of peoplelike, oh, it's a farm.

Oh, no, no cattle.
Yeah, it was a cattle fence.

Yes, just so everyone's clear, it was a
cattle fence, yes, um, but he'sbedded down on that fence row
and then it's you coming up frombehind him, yeah, um, and at
full draw, and creeping up onthis thing, and you get so close
, man, man, and then get yourshot off and it's just, it's
awesome, uh.
But the thing I love about that, though, is, you know, I think

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we're all guilty of it you lookat the weather.
You're like, oh, it's going torain, I'm not going to go out,
I'm going to skip this day,right.
But the fact that you took andcreated an opportunity out of
something that might not havebeen ideal and kind of almost
created your own luck, right,you went through, you got on
something and you were able topush the pace and create that

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opportunity.
I love that, man, because that's, in my opinion, that's real
hunting.
You know, out there, not justsitting and waiting and hoping
to get lucky that something'sgoing to walk under you.
You know, you guys spottedsomething, you made the move,
and then you executed.
It came out successful.
I mean, it doesn't get anybetter than that.

It was actually maybe three days later.
We almost replicated that hunt.
So again we're up in this tree.
We're in the corner of a beanfield.
We had watched this nice deercome out, you know, a few nights
prior, and we're hoping thathe's going to come out there.
Same thing it was raining and Itook a nap.
I was like like, I need a nap,like we're going hard for like
five, six days at this point uhI wake up and mike's like, hey,

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nice, buck out there.
I was like no, it's not thatnice.
So I throw my bionics.
I'm like that's a good deer.
It was about 140 inch deer.
So I look at mike.
I'm like dude, this deer is notmoving.
We got to do something.
Let's try it.
Let's just be aggressive again.
What's the worst?
That happens, we blow the deer.
Okay, so climb down.
You know, run around.
It was about a three-quartermile run.

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There was a bean field, then afinger and then the edge of the
bean field, where he was at, gotwithin maybe 15 yards of this
deer, I 15 yards of this deer.
I didn't know where he wasexactly.
But again, mike and I weretalking and he's like hey, dude,
like I'm pretty sure you'relike on top of him.
I was like, no, I don't think Iam man.

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But then the wind died, therain died, so it was really hard
to do anything.
I was almost scared to move,because using those elements to
your advantage is huge when youtry to be aggressive when it
comes to, you know, any type ofstalk.

So we ended up blowing that hunt.

But again, if you're not going to be
aggressive and if, like you said, you're just going to sit there
, you may not get a chance Right.
Make the most out of theopportunity you have, 100%, yeah
.

I love that man Cause and I always, when I think
hunting, you know, I neverthink, and this is me personally
.
The guy you know just going andsitting in a blind and just
waiting, or going, sitting andwaiting, it's going out and
actively hunting.
I always love the thought of it.
Um, you know, uh, I have someother buddies that have some

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really great stories like that,where you know a deer comes out,
he's way off, and then you takeand you strategize, you come up
with these, you know a gameplan and you move on him versus
waiting for him to come to you.
I mean, that's the ultimate bowhunting experience.
Yeah, yeah it doesn't get anybetter than that.
So, and that was in Virginia,that was Virginia.
Yeah, dude, it was.
The video is awesome.

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So you'll have to go to yourwife's cause you're not on
social, but I'm not.
Your wife is Um, and we'll.
We'll drop the what I can'tremember what her, what was her?
Tiktok.

It's a Elizabeth B outdoors Elizabeth.

B outdoors.
You'll have to go check it out.
The video's up there.
It's already got, like you said, like 2 million views.

Yeah, some crazy like that.

Yeah it's, it's an awesome video.
Uh, I mean in the fact too,which is cool was shooting 87
pound bow.
Yeah, you're at full draw forlike a minute creeping up on
this thing.
I mean the whole scenario.
I mean it's windy, it's rain.
It's just an awesome video.
I encourage you guys to gocheck it out.
It's definitely cool.

I think the best part of the video is at the
release.
You can see the water from therain like being coming off the
bow and the arrow.
Like it was pretty cool.

Yeah, it was awesome, man.
I mean a good clean shot too.
I mean it doesn't.
That's like one of thosestories that you can tell over
and over again yeah.
Definitely Awesome man.
So, jumping back, you and thisis one of the things I asked you
to send me over a little bio onyourself, a little bit of
information on you, and you,like, you said you started, uh,

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the art in the archery game atage five and so you have a lot
of experience with it.
Um, but you said that yousuffered from target panic as a
hunter, which you ended upactually quitting bow hunting
for a short period of timebecause it was so bad, it was
terrible.
So what?
Do you have any idea?
What really led to your targetpanic?

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And how did you, how were youable to overcome it and get you
know, get back into the bowhunting game, you know, without
being, you know, constantly thatnightmare on your shoulder?

years ago when I got this issue, I would pull
back and I'd go through my shotsequence and I would get stuck
like three to four inches belowmy aiming point.
There was nothing I could do,man at all, to bring that shot

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up.
I would try leaning back.
I'd, you know, tweak my arms.
I would try everything.
I thought, well, maybe it's myvision, so I wouldn't got an eye
exam, like, hey, your eyes aregood, like nothing's wrong.
So something consciously wasgoing on that I could not figure
out.

And it got to the point where I was embarrassed to
shoot my bow with my buddiesbecause you know your capability
, you know you, you know allyour experience, like I know how
to shoot a bow.
Yeah, what's happening?

like I was going.
I went from what I thought wasa decent shot to you know
freaking out, and it got to thepoint where I became a you know
a trigger puncher.
I'd hold three inches low, I'dtorque my bow up real quick and
just punch my trigger.
And I didn't really know wheremy arrow was going to go.
You know 50% of the time itwould hit where I was going.
You know the other 50% it wouldbe off.

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So I got out of bow hunting.
I quit bow hunting probably fortwo years, just quit shooting
my bow in general, like Iwouldn't accept it.
I didn't want to, you know,wound any animals like I.
Just I couldn't do it.
Um, so I started, you know,looking through uh, like social
media on youtube and a lot ofguys.
They started talking abouttarget panic.

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So I was like target panic,what is this?
And it was, uh, I think JasonBomar.
He had a really good clip on it.
He's like every bow hunter orevery just archer at some point
will develop some point or sometype of target panic.
So he's talking through it andit's like, man, that's me,
that's 100% me, but it's notjust me that has this issue, me,

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and but it's not just me thathas this issue.
So I started talking to my dad,my buddies, and they're like,
ah, no, I really don't have that.
And I was like, well, okay,well, maybe something is wrong
with me.
So I started just messing withreleases and I got, uh, it was
um, the back strap which isattention activated um.
So you know, you pull back, itwas a wrist strap.
You hit the trigger on thereand then it goes into the shot

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process of, you know, tensionactivated through your back,
which it definitely helped.
It got me back into the game.
I was excited to shoot, I wasexcited to hunt.
But the only issue that I hadis I was in Virginia again and
hunting on Quantico, a niceeight pointer comes out and I
hadn't been shooting my bowmaybe three weeks or so.
So I pulled back, hit thesafety, start pulling through

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and my shot would not break, itwould not go off.
So internally, components ofthe release itself must've just
kind of been gummed up and I waspulling and pulling and pulling
.
I just pulled real hard and Ishot over the deer.
So I'm thinking like, well,this isn't going to work.
Um, I got to figure somethingelse out.
So then I went to the hinge,started shooting the hinge.

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I actually came here.
It was when, um, when Cody washere and he, you know, he was
helping me out through the shotprocess and everything, and he
brought up Joel Turner.
So I was like, oh, joel Turner,like I'll check him out.
And then, you know, he goes inway in depth, which was awesome,
just talking about thesubconscious, the conscious mind
and everything.
So I started shooting a hingeand I went to a button and then
now actually I went back to theback strap, but without the

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tension.
And what I did is I have a lotof travel in my trigger.
You know a lot of guys they'llshoot like a hot trigger, like I
mean, you blow on it and thatthing goes off and that right
there tells me like yeah, theyexperienced some type of target
panic.
They just don't know.
So I have a lot of travel in mytrigger.
So I walk, work through my shotsequence.
You know there's 10 differentsteps that I'll say in my mind

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like this is what I'm doing, youknow, going through everything,
and then when I go to break theshot, I'll just slowly be
squeezing and it will surpriseme.
It still surprises me, but I'mable to back off if I have to.

Um, so just having that play in my trigger has
definitely helped me a lot,almost like a two-stage trigger
where you take up the tension,the, the slack in it, get to the
back wall and just finish theshot.
Yeah, so that's what I like too, man.
So even in my thumb buttons andI'm notorious for punching a
trigger, I'll admit it- yeah,it's tough, I mean it is, and if
you go to any of our socialmedia stuff, there's dudes that
hammer me for it.

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But you know it is what.
It is something I'm stillworking through, but one of the
things that has helped me is,like you, I like to be able to
take the slack up in whatevertype of release I'm shooting and
get to that almost thatbreaking point, and then finish
the shot pulling through,because I too, I don't like a
trigger where you touch it andit just goes off.
It's terrible.

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It is I.
I I've not, I can't shoot themgood for one and, uh, I've just
never had good luck with them.
But I like to.
Where there's just enough slack, I can feel that I'm on it, I'm
riding it to the back wall andthen I can finish that shot with
whatever type of release I'musing, Because I've gone back
and forth this year too Because,like you, I like something

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attached to my wrist for hunting.
But I shoot a thumb buttonbetter, a handheld release
better.
I'm just more consistent withit.
So it's something I'm stillplaying with.
Uh, just because you know I, Iwant to go back to the wrist
release just simply for thatsecurity reason it's attached to
me, I can fold it up into myshirt and it's not flapping

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around.
Uh, and you know, I run a binoharness and if I do run a
handheld I stick it in there.
But I've bent over before andmy handhelds laying on the
ground.
Luckily I find it yeah.
But me and Joey were shooting avideo for for something just at
the house and you know I um, Ihad a release that I thought I
lost but I had stuck in mypocket I had to go get.
It was just a disaster.

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So something secured to me isespecially with I'm out in the
field.
I want it attached.

So with the button, um, I was shooting some,
hunting for some pigs, and um,I had a button and I would
attach it to my D loop, but mymind would not allow me to be
okay with that.

Leaving it there.

I was like this thing's going to fall, yep, and
if it falls like I'm not goingto be able to, you know, take a
shot.
So it was.
It was really hard for me.
With the button, I can shootthem well, but, like you said, I
like having it physicallyattached to my wrist.
Yeah.

It's one of those things you got to kind of weigh
the pros and cons right.
It's like you know I'm a littlebit.
Maybe I'm a little bit moreaccurate with a handheld, but I
like the security of a wristMaybe.
I just need to spend more timebehind it.

I mean and I think that's what it comes down
to too is getting those reps in.
That's it.
You know, if it's 10 arrows, ifit's 20, 30 arrows, whatever it
is, but trying to be consistentin shooting every day and not
just going in your backyard orgoing to the range and shooting.
You know, what I like to do isI'll incorporate like a workout
into it.
I'll do like a circuit kind ofMetcon style workout and then

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incorporate, you know five shotsand go back to the circuit,
five shots.
So you know five shots and goback to the circuit five shots.
So you know, getting that heartrate up, you know, and just
being comfortable, not beingcomfortable, right, no?

I'm with you on that, and it makes it more fun
too.

Oh yeah absolutely.

You get a little bit of a break, you get to do
something in between, get yourreps in, you know, get your
workout in and shoot your buttat the same time.
I mean it's, I'm with you, Ienjoy it and I think it is
important that you know you dochallenge yourself, because a
lot of us love to just go outand shoot really good on a flat
range, like I'm shooting so good.

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But you know you forget, like,oh, I'm not going to be on my
feeding, my footing is not goingto be perfect.
You know I'm going to be up ina tree, the angle is going to be
weird, there's probably goingto be branches around me.
There's a lot of things toconsider.
So I think recreating thosescenarios best you can is for
sure.
It just makes you a betterhunter, better bow hunter at
least.
So you hunt, pretty much bowhunt, year round.

(49:35):
You said I do so you do whitetail pig bear, turkey that's
right.

All of it with a bow, all of it with the bow,
Um with doing that it just.
I know a lot of guys.
You know they'll put their bowup or you know, hey, season's a
month away for whitetail orsomething.
Now they'll start shooting.
It keeps me active, it keeps meaccountable for, you know,
staying consistent with my shotsand um to be in the woods year

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round like you can't beat thatRight.

So are you running ?
Whenever you're hunting allthese different animals?
You're running the same bow,same arrow setup for all of them
.

I do.
Um, I won't run the samebroadheads and it's not for any
particular reason.
I just really I'm kind of anerd when it comes to broadheads
and I just I like to experimentwith you know with different
weights when it comes to yourFOCs and stuff and just an
expandable vice a fixed blade, athree blade or a single bevel.

So if you look at my quiver, there's four arrows
in there.

There's four different broadheads.

Do you have a preference over fixed over
mechanical, based off species?

that you're hunting.
I will say one thing that I'venoticed with the single bevels
I've shot um I think it was theMagnus I've shot um some of the
grizzly sticks, the blood trailisn't as good when it comes to,
even if it's a single bevel with, like some bleeders on there,
or um mechanicals.
I feel if you have a awell-placed shot with a

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mechanical, you're going to geta great blood trail.
But if you hit kind of amarginal shot with a mechanical
you might be in a stickysituation.
But right now I currently runall mechanicals yeah.

So I had the same thing and I.
So I shot the Strickland Helixfor a little while back before
the company changed ownership, Ithink and I had really really
good luck with that broadhead,with the flight on it for one,
and I have best luck with afixed blade broadhead when I'm
shooting under 290 feet persecond as far as tuning goes, so

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mid two eighties, they shootreally well for me.
But I had the same issue aswell was the blood trail.
So the uh penetration.
It was phenomenal.
Anything I shot it zipped rightthrough it.
But it's almost like that woundchannel would close up really
quick and I wouldn't get this.
The blood, yeah, that I wantedto, especially here eastern

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north carolina super thick andit's.
If you lose blood, I mean it's,it's tough, it's hard to track
the animal because it is sothick, it is so green, yeah, um.
So that was my biggest issue.
But they flew and thepenetration on them was like
untouchable, yeah, like it was.
It was awesome, but I justdidn't get the blood that I
wanted, um, especially beinghere in eastern north carolina.
So majority of the time I'mhere hunting on the east coast,

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I like a mechanical broadheadmyself.
Um, the the severs.
I've had good luck with rages.
Um, the mega meats all havedone really, really well and you
just get a killer blood trail,oh yeah.
But I also see a broadhead as aone and done.
I'm the same way, so I look atit as it's expendable as soon as
I shoot it and I shoot ananimal with it.

Now, if that broadhead's done, I don't try to
salvage it now, even with theyou know the single bevels
they're, they're expensive,they're.
You can spend up to 130, 140dollars.
Um, but then having to gothrough that process of
resharpening them, it's notdifficult to do.
I'll touch all my broadheadblades up if I can, just to make
sure they're pristine when itcomes to sharpness.
But I'm the same.

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If I shoot an animal with abroadhead, it just goes in the
used pile.
I'm not going to use them againto practice broadhead yeah
because most of us buybroadheads every year anyways.

Oh yeah, so I have , you know, I'm, I'm just one.
I just I'll use it as a, like atest broadhead whenever I'm
citing my bow in or I'm gettingready for the season.
It's kind of what they end upgetting shifted to.
Yeah, um, just because I'llretire it once I shoot something

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.
Yeah, I know some guys try tosalvage them, Even these, the
mechanicals.
Yeah, I just can't.
I'm not buying blades andtrying to replace these things.
One it's hard and you slice yourfingers up to it.
To me it's just not worth theeffort.

Yeah, but you know everyone's different.
A doe I harvested this year iswith the grim Reaper.
I think it was the white tailspecial white.
Yeah, that's a popular but umthere was a log, a deadfall
behind her, and I had shot youknow complete pass here and hit
the log, and Jr actually cameout with me the next day which
that's saying something, causethat's a front deploying
broadhead and it's like a twoinch cutting diameter and you

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zip through that deer, that 87pounds man, 550 grains, nothing
standing in its way.
I can't complain with that, andit was a well-placed shot, of
course no bone was involved, um,but we started digging that
that broadhead out and I it wasno intentions to reuse it, but I
just kind of wanted to see youknow how did it hold up?
And it held up really well, um,but again, I wouldn't reuse it.
It's just that one and donetype of mentality.

Yeah, that's a mean broadhead man.

It is.
The blood trails are insane.

Unbelievable.
Yeah, I've actually done sometesting on the Grim Reapers,
just messing around at my housejust to see how many times I
could shoot one into a targetand how long it would last, and
surprisingly I figured after oneshot that they just wouldn't
close up very good, but I wasable to shoot that thing you
know a dozen times and it wouldstill close up and maintain a

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good group out at a little bitof distance.
So they were tough man.
But yeah, I'm the same man.
One and done, get a new one.

Yeah, I mean with shooting those.
I think they're 40 bucks, maybe50 bucks for like the G5s or
something, right.
But yeah, I'm a mechanical guyright now.
Um, if, switching to adifferent game, if it's more of
like a stalking situation, I'llprobably go to a fixed blade,
just cause I don't want thatbroadhead catching on something
and not noticing that and thenI'm shooting a mechanical that's

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already deployed or something.

So throw that flight off.
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you man.
So let's look at now.
So you know deployed orsomething.
So throw that flight off.
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you man.
So let's look at now.
So you actually, um, jay is, isJr going with you guys this
year.
So you guys got a 2024 elkseason and this is your first
elk season.

This is the first time I'll ever step foot,
Jason elk which is awesome.

So this is one of the things that I wanted to talk
about to someone who's neverdone it.
I've never done it myself,never been out West, and so how
are you, as someone who hasn'tdone before, what are you doing
differently?
Are you changing up one, youryour fitness, um style of

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training and two, are youtraining, changing up your gear?

So for fitness wise, um, uh, I won't change it
up too much.
Um, my biggest concern is goingout.
There is that the altitudesickness right, so trying to
best prepare myself for thatwhen it comes to the physicality
piece of it, um maybe slim downa little bit.
You know, focus more on cardio,um.
But the biggest thing is we'regoing to probably get there a

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few days early and getacclimated, you know, to
whatever elevation that we'regoing to be.
You know, focusing on Um.
So the physicality piece of itI won't change much um, continue
just working out every day.
I'm incorporating thoseworkouts into my shooting cycle.
Um as far as gear goes, I'llcontinue shooting.
You know the current bow thatI'm shooting, probably the same

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arrows.
Like I said, I might change upthe broadhead.
Um, go with, uh, just a fixedblade and just kind of see which
one I prefer the most.
And then also I am not one tobe embarrassed or check my ego
at the door I will ask a millionquestions.
I have several buddies who'vegone out west, who've been

(57:23):
successful, and there's tons ofstuff on YouTube.
So just asking those questionslike, hey, what tent do you
recommend to you?
What boots do you recommend?
As far as the gear questions go, um, and also, we're going to
colorado, so colorado is veryfriendly when it comes to
non-residents.
so once you figure out whateverunit you're going to focus in on

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, you know doing your mapstudies and then you can call
the game wardens that are incharge of that unit and they'll
tell you hey, this is maybewhere you want to focus in on.
If this gate is locked, you'renot going to pass via road or
whatever, so you might have tohike additional five, six miles.
Um, but best preparing myselfto, I'm looking at maybe like 10

(58:05):
to 12 miles a day on foot thatwe're, you know, walking around
trying to locate a herd.

Are you somebody that takes nutrition into
consideration whenever you areout there?
Absolutely so.
That is one of my big things aswell, right, so sleep,
nutrition and hydration yeah, soI'm, I'm a fitness nerd, I've I
.
I love that's.
If there's anything I love, itis is training.
Yeah, um, and nutrition.

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And one of the things that Iwas curious about is do you, are
you looking at ahead of time,at looking how many calories you
need to bring in, how manyyou're burning, based off the
distance and you know the amountof weight on your back?
Do you kind of like calculatethat in as far as prep for the
amount of food you need to take?

Oh for sure, and and and again the resources
out there um Cam Haynes isawesome.

I the dude is just I'll agree with you on that man
.
I know that dude gets so muchhate, but if there was somebody
who has created the lifestylethat they want to live and does
what they want to do on theirterms, it's that guy.
And you know he's a, he's amachine man.
I mean, you know people hate onhim for running and lifting and

(59:20):
shooting a bow, but I meanhonestly, what more do you want
to?

do Exactly, Exactly, you know, and that
comes down to you know, just thesimple as the poundage of our
bows, like people are alwaysgoing to hate right but and I'm
not we're near the caliber ofCameron Haynes, but trying to
kind of focus our efforts aroundwhat he's doing.
He has several books out therethat I've, you know, indulged in
.
Um, and just the the tips, thetricks that he puts out there he

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doesn't keep anything a secret,right?
He wants people to be successfuland there's a lot of other
hunters out there that wantother hunters to be successful.
So, again, just trying to getas much information as we
possibly can prior to going onthe hunt.
Uh, and if we're not successful, it's still going to be a great
trip.

Oh, it's still a successful trip, absolutely.

Joe Kolaszewski (01:00:00):
Like we're hanging out together, like
that's the the ultimate, when itcomes to bow hunting or just
hunting in general, is thecamaraderie and brotherhood.
Um, there'll be four of usgoing out there, so it'd be
pretty exciting.

Zakk Plocica (01:00:10):
Yeah, that's awesome man.
So are you guys going to behave a base camp set up?
You guys are all be in the backcountry the entire time you're
out there, yep.

So right now we're planning, maybe like eight
, nine days, on the mountainWe'll have a base camp and being
that there's four of us, we'llwe'll push out from base camp,
um, and try to locate a herd andthen from there, you know,
figure out our comms plan.
As far as figuring out, youknow, hey, we need to get over
here, um, but pushing out, fromthere and if we have to, like
set up a spike camp or somethingyou know.
Hey, we're in a crash right here.
We won't make it back to thebase camp because it's a few
miles.
We want to be as close to theherd as possible.

(01:00:43):
Um so just being adaptable towhatever the situation is that
presents us.
That's I, our best approach toit.

Are you guys, as far as there's four of you guys
going out there, are you guysgoing to be set up like two-man
teams or is it a we're moving?
There's going to be four of ustogether.
We're staying together at alltimes or we're regrouping at
night.

I think initially the first day or two
we'll kind of work in a four-manteam and then from there, once
we've kind of got our feet underus ourselves, we'll push out on
two man teams or one man teamif we have to Um.
But if anyone out there hastips, tricks, different
approaches to it.

you know I'm all yours Like, please let me know.
Yeah, that's great.
I'm sure there's a bunch ofpeople that'll watch this to
have a lot of experience outWest.
So if you guys do haveexperience out West, you know
it'd be great if you guys coulddrop some comments and kind of
give us your feedback and let usknow kind of your approach.
As someone that's never been onthe mountain, um, you know kind
of what to expect.
But the other, the other reasonI asked that too is you know
four different dudes.
Um, whenever you go out onsomething like that, I don't

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know how, um, what, everyoneelse's fitness, fitness
capability is.
So that would be one of myworries is, you know, hey, right
out of the gate we go in twoman teams and we got you know
two dudes that maybe aren't, arehaving a little bit more
difficult time adjusting toaltitude and can't, you know,
quite hack it right out of thegate.
So that was one of the reasonsI was wondering is if you guys

(01:02:10):
were going to stick togetherultimately right in the
beginning to kind of, you know,gauge everybody's capability.

Absolutely.
You know safety is going to beparamount, Right.
But I will also say if one ofthe team members isn't as
conditioned or isn't able to dowhatever it is that we're trying
to do, it kind of sucks to beyou.

And I said that in the kindest way.
Yes, sir.

But we're all there for for one main reason,
and that's to harvest a bull, amature bull.
So there's going to be thosetimes where we may split off
into single man teams and youknow, that's when it kind of
comes down to how well are youprepared for this?

I like it.
So, jr, if you're listening umput a ruck on buddy yeah.
Yeah, oh, that's awesome man.
Yeah, that's going to be.
I can't wait to hear about it.
Man, I'm excited for you guys.
Um, just to you know, just tohear how it goes, cause that's I
mean, that's different, man.
I mean you're not going home atnight in the back country, away
from anywhere.
You've to survive and thrive.

yeah, I mean, but that's bowhunt, that's,
that's the ultimate bowhuntingtrip cam haynes actually talks
about in some of his books isthat's the most difficult part
of hunting out west is just thethe factor of not having the
communication, and if you dosplit up in your one-man teams,
you're by yourself.
Yeah, you know it's scary youhave nothing to do.

(01:03:29):
But you know, think, you knowthe mind is a scary thing.

What was that?
Is that a Cougar?
No, okay, that's a squirrel youknow.

So he says that's the most difficult part,
and I can see that you know.
Being alone it's dark,whatever's going on around you,
you start thinking about thingsyou never thought you'd think
about in life.

So what are you prioritizing as far as gear when
it goes out there?
Do you have, have you alreadybuilt?
I mean, it's early, we're in,it's February right now.
Have you and you hit me up theother day asking about you know,
looking at gear and stuff, doyou have anything in mind that
you've already kind ofprioritized Like, hey, I know I
need to take this much food withme.

(01:04:10):
This is, you know I'm I want tobe as light as I can in this
area.
You know I'm willing to be alittle bit uncomfortable with
this, but I know I need goodsleep.
Have you already started tothink of considering those
things?

We have and I'd say the biggest thing for for
the group is having a goodquality pair of boots, being
that you're putting all thosemiles, so having a comfortable
pair of boots and a safe pair ofboots.
And then, as far as like themeals go, my buddy, sam he's,
he's really diving into thedifferent types of meals.
You know the nutrient content,what it provides, and then

(01:04:42):
weight's also a big issue.
You know, seeing that we arepacking everything out, you know
we've talked about hiringpackers.
You know, if we're, you know, afew miles back, you, you know
having those individuals kind ofalready lined up where, if we
do harvest a bull, hey, we can,you know, pack this bull out,
meet up with these packers, withthe horses, and then they can
bring them to a, you know, adeep freeze or whatever, so that

(01:05:03):
meat's still good when we getback and we're done hunting
right um but you know, there'sso many options out there.
It's like what tent?
What tent do we do?
Do we want to do a tent?
Do we want to do a bivy sack?
You know what sleep system dowe want to use?
What GPS do we want to use?
You know, for a backup, if our,you know, onyx maps isn't
working or something.
So, it's up front.

(01:05:24):
I feel it's a huge investment.
Right, of course you don't wantto buy you, you know lower end
gear.

You want quality gear because that's all you have
when you're out there.
So, yeah, your life kind ofdepends on it, yeah, so one of
the things we got a cool newproduct in.
This is a product drop, whatever, but it's a cool product that
we got in that I thought waspretty neat.
It's by a company called darkenergy, yeah, so I don't know if
you've seen them or not, butthey make these solar panels and
these little battery packs andthese things are rugged and
robust, man, and they willcharge anything from ipads,
laptops, gps devices, iphones,and they've got these cool cords

(01:06:01):
, so usbc to usbc and usbc tothe lightning for your iphone
stuff, but they're all wrappedin 550 cord.
They're three foot long andit's 30 foot of 550 cord, so the
cord is super robust anddurable and the amount of power
that these little battery packsand solar devices put out is is
awesome and it's for alightweight pack-out addition,

(01:06:21):
yeah, to have in the backcountry.
I think it's.
It's something pretty uniqueand uh worth considering because
you know, you see uh, batterypacks and stuff all the time,
but these things are built, yeah, to be in the outdoor back
country world.

It's funny you bring that up Cause I hit up Jr.
I think it was last week.
He said hey, man, like we needa solid charging device that's
lightweight, durable, that youknow, if we drop it we'll be
okay, but it also has a solarpanel.
And he said dude, said dude, wegot them at the shop.
They're legit man, that's whatwe need, and we only need one
really um because I think ifyou're running your phone in the
same like airplane mode um,using maps and everything, it'd

(01:06:58):
be two, three days probablybefore you depend on your
longevity of your battery liferight but having that resource
to be able to charge your phoneum it's huge yeah, absolutely,
and that and uh, gps, yeah, unit, because I don't know if you
guys are planning on runningsomething like um, what does
Garmin make?

It's their little.
Sos device um, which is, uh, Ithink I don't almost feels like
it would be a requirement tohave on you at least at least
one, at least one per team, orin visual.
I don don't know how many youguys would do, but just you know
when communication is, you know, key, whenever you get lost or

(01:07:40):
alone, yeah, something happens.

Have that and um, having like a blowout kit
right, go, blowout kit, you knowwhether it's.
You know suture kits or youknow some type of super glue, a
tourniquet for worst casescenarios.
Um, but sitting down andcompiling that list and then
balancing that list off of youknow friends who've already done
you know this type of hunt tosay, hey, is this needed, is
this not needed?
What are your recommendations?

Right and to me you'd be an ideal dude to go
with because of your backgroundon the medical side and the
experience with being in theMarine Corps.
With what you've done, you havea lot of experience on you can
you can carry this up, but youactually know how to apply it
and utilize it, which would beto me a huge, almost like a

(01:08:25):
relief.

you know like, hey, something happens, we got a
legitimate guy there We'll sayhopefully I don't get altitude
sickness and I'm the one who'sgetting carried out, the one
down.

Yeah, yeah, no, but do you have you guys?
Are you the lead on this?

Uh, I guess you could say yeah.

Um, do you have?
Did you have any requirementsfor the guys going with you Like
, hey, this is kind of thestandard If you can't do this.

No, we haven't talked about it, but it's 100%
real.

I've watched guys.
I know that went out on huntsand there was a conflict between
you know what the capabilitieswere and it ended up ultimately
being bad.

Yeah.

Um, but I was just curious.
If that's something you had putin place like, hey, listen
there, this is we're doing this,we're investing this amount of
money, yeah, you, you'reresponsible for you.
And if you're not up to thetask or the challenge at hand,
hey, you need to say so becauseI don't want you to jeopardize
it for everyone else.

So we haven't really come out and talk.
I guess that's kind of harsh.
It's not harsh, it's realityright 100%, um, but we have a
group chat and we'll, you know,push out.
Hey again, talking to otherbuddies who've done it like be
expected you know 8, 10, 12miles a day.
Get good gear.
But I think everyone knows inthe group if, if you're the the

(01:09:40):
weaker link there's, you'llprobably get not left behind.
But you know we're not gonna,you know, cancel the hunt or
jeopardize the hunt if you'renot able to hack it right, we'll
do our best to accommodate toeveryone, but at the end of the
day, we're there for one reason,that's to harvest a nice bolt
absolutely.

Yeah, it's good.
I like talking to guys like youtoo, man, because you do come
from a different background, andthat's one of the things about
our shop, right?
Yeah, I see a lot of guys thatcome through the door that are
dudes like yeah physicalspecimens, you a lot of
different backgrounds.
Um and pretty, um I don't evenknow the best word like just

(01:10:18):
real men.

Yeah, I don't know how to say it?

Um, but that are, you know, physically fit, have a
lot of capabilities and skillswithin them, and they come in,
they get in the bow hunting andit's, it seems like almost a
pretty easy transition becauseit's like the lifestyle you guys
anyways, yeah, uh.
But yeah, I always enjoypicking your guys's brain
because of the amount ofinformation that you guys have,
even if you've never even donethis particular thing.

(01:10:41):
You have a lot of experience,yeah, on deployments overseas.
The training that you do haveand kind of getting the insight
from you guys is always cool.
Um, but one of the other thingsI did want to touch on and it
just kind of popped in my headuh, aaron Snyder, you're
familiar with Aaron Snyder, um,kfarou, uh, backpacks.
I'd have to look, okay, so oneof the things I and I think it

(01:11:03):
was him, I recall uh hearing itfrom, but he said one of the
biggest things for him was onecalories.
Right, so he will not.
He knows how much food he needsto take in, like whether it's
three or 3,500 calories a day,based off the movement per day.
The other thing is too is he'swilling to sacrifice a little
bit in weight for bettersleeping?

(01:11:23):
He says you know, I need to getX amount of sleep every night
quality, not just laying around,but quality sleep so that I am
well rested and capable tocontinue to move forward in the
hunt each and every day.
Yeah, so that when it comestime I get the opportunity.
You know, I'm not so out of itthat I can't capitalize on that
pivotal moment for sure.

(01:11:44):
So that was one of the things Iwas curious as well.
Like do you guys have you knowwhat's like your biggest
priority?
Is it you know, or is it just amix of things?

it's definitely a mix, but the biggest one is
the conditioning piece.
Yeah, being physicallyconditioned.
Um, and we're.
We're so going back and forthwhen it comes to sleep.
You know we're talking.
Do we want a one man tent?
Do we want a two man tent?
You know, like you said, thatextra ounces, and everyone's
knows the same.
You know ounces or pounds,pounds or pain, but is that pain
, like you said?
the extra ounces and everyone'sknows the saying.
You know ounces or pounds,pounds or pain.
But is that pain, like you justsaid, that a little bit of

(01:12:16):
extra pain worth it when itcomes to comfort and getting
quality sleep?

Um, because, we can function.

You know a lot of stories that I'm reading
articles it's you know, two,three days they're just hunting
hard and then the trips kind ofjust ruined because, they're
just smoked.
They can't, you know, continueanymore.
So yeah.
Um sleep is definitely going tobe huge, and being comfortable
in the uncomfortable situations.

Right, yeah, I think that's a big part Cause I
watched.
Um, there's some other dudesthat went out West.
It was a year or so ago, butthey went out and they hammered
right away and they had to cutthe hunt short just because the
altitude, the amount of milesthey covered, right out of the
gate, the body just couldn'trecover, and fast enough, you
know, with that little bit less,that thinner air, uh, and then
you know that terrain difference, in elevation difference, it's

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just, I mean, it just smashedtheir bodies.

Yeah, and it's hard to prepare for elevation
here in Eastern North Carolina.

It really is.
But you know what they say.
One of the best things forelevation training is and this,
I got this whenever I wastraining for, uh, triathlon and
half ironman stuff okay was heattraining okay.
So training in the heat hadreally good carryover from what
I was told or what I read.
For elevation it's not the same, sure, but it's still a really

(01:13:26):
good way to prep for, yeah,elevation.
So heat training and that'swe're talking.
You know, dead of the, you knowsummer, yeah, mid days.
That's why I enjoy talking, youknow, dead of the, you know
summer, middays.

That's why I enjoy shooting my bow the most
when it's you know a hundreddegrees and you know a hundred
percent humidity.
You know getting that workoutin and just pushing yourself
100% out of your comfort zone,but that's definitely something
we'll take in consideration and,you know, start looking into
for sure.

There's definitely a lot to consider, man, because
once you get out there, you'reout there and there's.
If you don't got it on you, youain't going to have it.
That's right.
So make sure that packing listis laid out.
Everything's laid out ahead oftime.
You're going through, you know,dotting your eyes crossing your
.
T's and make sure you goteverything ahead of time, Cause
I'd hate to get out there and belike oh well, I forgot my bow.
Guys, look like I'm watching.

So you bring up bow and I only I currently have
one bow, um, but looking intogetting a backup bow um, it's
not a bad idea.
I'd hate to get there.
Then, all of a sudden,something goes wrong with your
equipment and then you're justwalking around.
That would be terrible.
So having a backup bow, I thinkis definitely another priority
you know to throw on our list.

Yeah, I mean, to me it only makes sense If you're
going to invest that amount ofmoney in that amount of time.
Yeah, I mean, you don't have tohave another RX seven, rx eight
flagship bow, but somethingthat you, you want, you're
comfortable or confident withthat If you had to pick it up,
you could still get the job done.
That's right.
Yeah, I'm a firm believer inhaving two bows at all time, and
I know that's not a reality foreverybody, guys, I trust me, I

(01:14:53):
understand that.
But if you do have that abilityand you're going to invest that
amount of money into your hunt,make sure the bow that you've
got is tuned, set up properlyand shooting good, and then, if
you have the ability, have asecond bow with you.

Yeah, I mean it's 27 hours, dude, so there's
no turning back.
That's from the.
You know the bow shop realquick yeah.

You ain't doing that.
And even when I go to Kentucky,man, I take two bows because
you know it's only a 12 hourdrive and you know I got family
and stuff there.
But the last thing I want to dois drive there and then a bow
go down because things happen.
Yeah Right, you know a limbdelaminates, something cracks,

(01:15:33):
that that's right.
The last thing I want to do ishave spent that time going there
and I have in, you know I'm notsaying I don't want to hang out
with my family.

Yeah, that's there, don't get me wrong, but
you know I want I go there tohunt.

I want to be able to hunt, that's right, you know,
and I want to do it, uh, to thebest of my ability.
So I'm a firm believer inhaving you know multiple of
everything that you can I agree,100 man oh yeah, well, good
deal.
Well, as far as I know you,like we already said, you don't
have any social media, but yourwife does have a TikTok account
and she does.

(01:15:58):
She posts all your guys'hunting stuff and stuff.
So that was.
Her account is on TikTok.
What was?

Elizabeth B Outdoors is her account.

Elizabeth B Outdoors.
So if you guys are interestedin following Joe, his entire
family, his army yeah, it'spretty cool why she makes so.

If you guys are interested in following Joe his
entire family his army.

Uh, wife, yeah, no doubt man, head over there,
check her out.
She posts all this stuff.
Um, they've got some reallykiller videos over there.
Uh, especially, I encourage yougo check out the one where he
is spot and stalking that day inVirginia.
It is an incredible clip.
Um, it just I mean, I, everytime I watch it, man, it just
gets me motivated.
I'm like, oh, dude, yeah, yeah,right, so head over there,

(01:16:35):
check her out on tiktok to seejoe and his family out there in
the wild.
Um, and I'm sure they'll beposting stuff about this
upcoming trip as well oh,absolutely for elk prepping and
whatnot.
But, man, I really appreciateyou taking the time to come and
sit down with me it's greattalking to you, absolutely.
You know you've really done alot of interesting things, man,
from your career, your family,um, all your different hunting

(01:16:58):
adventures.
I'm looking forward to hearingabout 2024 elk season and, yeah,
man, I'm sure it's going to besolid.

We're looking forward to it, man, thanks for
having me.

Absolutely, man.
Thanks again, I appreciate it.
Yeah, we'll see you guys in thenext episode of the show.
I appreciate you guys followingalong and make sure you guys
check out our social channels aswell.
We got some killer giveawaysgoing on and we've got more
awesome episodes coming for youguys with some really
interesting individuals.
So check it out the show overon our YouTube channel.

(01:17:28):
Appreciate it, guys.

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