Episode 11: Kash Patel on Working for Trump, Counterterrorism, and Who Killed JFK

Kash Patel, former senior advisor of counterterrorism under President Trump and chief of staff to the US Secretary of Defense, shares his intriguing journey from the courtroom to the heart of national security, revealing the untold stories behind the headlines. Discover the gripping details of “Operation Turkmenistan,” strategic flights over enemy airspace, and the geopolitical context that shaped these operations. As we navigate through his experiences, we also reflect on the lighter moments, from our music uplifting troops in war zones to personal golf anecdotes with big names like Rory McIlroy.

The spotlight then shifts to the heated political arena, where we dissect the recent debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Kash Patel provides an insider’s perspective on the implications of Biden’s performance for national security and the potential vulnerabilities within American leadership. We scrutinize the media’s influence in shaping public perception and discuss the looming threats from global adversaries such as China, Russia, and North Korea. This segment also touches on the economic challenges facing everyday Americans, comparing financial conditions under Trump and Biden, and assessing the real impact on public opinion.

In our final segment, the conversation explores the deep state’s alleged role in American politics, the judicial processes impacting Trump, and the media’s disinformation campaigns. We recount personal narratives, from golfing stories to our newfound awe for Kash Patel's impressive resume, including uncovering the Hillary email scandal and insights into pivotal historical events. Concluding with a heartfelt discussion on American patriotism and cultural intersections, this episode promises a blend of serious analysis, personal stories, and a fresh appreciation for the multifaceted world of national security and politics.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I honestly, I was proud of the way my boss handled
himself and I was saddened forAmerica.
They're going to yank him.
I don't know the exact maneuver, maybe at the convention or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I have a question for you.
Thank you, who killed Kennedy?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
I know you know, All right guys, welcome to another
episode of the Try that Podcast.
Yeah, I'm Kurt, we got TullyNeil Kalo, and I just want to
inform our viewers we areseverely underqualified for our
guest tonight.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Severely underqualified.
That's an understatement.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
He is the former senior advisor of
counterterrorism under PresidentTrump, also the chief of staff
to the us secretary of defense.
What cash patel?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
let's go yeah what's up, guys?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
that's like the greatest intro I've ever done.
I'm just gonna get off theprogram now and leave it at the
top.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah, leave on a high note hey, I got two questions
for you right off the bat.
Are we the first songwritersyou have ever sat down with, and
what are you thinking?
First songwriters you have eversat down with, and what are you
thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
first songwriters have ever sat down for a podcast
.
For sure, um and I'm and I andI gotta say how awesome it is.
I've seen y'all in action.
I've been listening to yourmusic before you ever even knew
I was screaming and jumpingaround about this.
So for me this is a really coolthing, extremely special, and
I'm psyched that you guys areinvolved in um, this type of
format, because you can reachsuch a far audience with who you

(01:30):
all know.
So super appreciative oh,absolutely awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Let's give the people a little bit of background on
cash.
You let me see, I got itwritten down here.
I didn't even know this cash,tell me.
Now we're talking, we're likecash is just some cool dude that
comes and hangs out at the showI have.
I have to tell you something I,I tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So you started coming out a few years ago hanging out
right and and, yeah, and we'relike god, cash is so cool.
And every time you come outwe're like cash is so cool.
But you know, in my mind I'mlike I never really knew all
that you did?
You're just we got talkingmusic and whatever I told.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Kurt.
It's because he would have tokill you if you knew all that he
did.
I told Kurt today I'm like I amvery intimidated.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Wow, what are you talking about?
I don't even look at you.
The same.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I can't look at you in the eye because I'm so
intimidated.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I was just trying to not get kicked out of y'all's
show.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
My God it's so impressive, kurt, I'll let you
take it away.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Well, no, I was just going to say you know as I'm
starting to Google.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Cash Patel, which, by the way, actually don't Google
Go to DuckDuckGo or somethingright.
The smear job is on.
But the former JusticeDepartment official, you were
there in the Obama years, right.
And then, of course, whenPresident Trump came in, you
were the lead the obama years,right.
And then, of course, whenpresident trump came in, you
were the lead investigator inrussiagate russia, russia,

(02:50):
russia, right, that was you yeah, that was nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, that was, is that?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
when you kind of met trump or got in that circle well
, it's kind of I mean best laidplans.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I probably drank like a thousand PBRs and didn't know
what I was going to do.
And I met this guy, devin Nunes, who I didn't know who that was
back then, neither did the restof the world.
I was like I was running JSOCSpecial Forces Operations as a
civilian and I wanted to getback into, like the White House
and try to do some cool stuff.
And I met this guy, devin,randomly and he was like look,

(03:25):
we got this Russiagate thing.
Nobody knows.
Nobody knew what it was backthen, neither did I.
I was like this sounds like aterrible idea, I want nothing to
do with this.
And then two months later I waslike you know what, let's take
it on, because he made me a deal.
He goes, you run thisinvestigation because you used
to be a terrorism prosecutor,you got an Intel background, all
that stuff, and I'll help youget to the white house to run

(03:46):
counterterrorism.
So I was like deal, but neitherof us knew it was going to blow
up the way that like not evenclose.
We had no idea.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
You know why do you hang out with us Like that's a
legit question.
It's a legit question for thoselistening.
You know we write songs and I Iplay a piece of wood with
strings on it and you're liketalk about counterterrorism and
it's so, it's impressive andthank you.
I like I said I told kurt likeI just can't believe all these

(04:17):
years.
I'm like, oh cool, cash iscoming.
I'm like the hell am I doing?
I doing You're like a legitbadass at everything.
Anyway, kurt, take it away.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Neil, what did you have?
I know, neil.
You said you wanted to ask me.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Oh wait, I want to say I got one quick thing to say
on Tully's thing.
Listen, you didn't know me backthen, but I can tell you I've
been in every theater of warthat we've ever had.
I've operated with our specialforces, community or
conventional ground forces, inevery theater of war we've ever
had and every single place playsyour music.
Every freaking place I went sofor you guys to say you weren't

(04:53):
helping and providing in thecause.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
You have no idea thank you what it means to be
stranded at some fob and havinggood music and a dip and nothing
else hanging out so you savedour asses more times than you'll
ever know that's amazing yeah,I mean, I think, uh like, one of
the things that you know wekind of bond over is the fact
that you know a lot of peoplehate you too so, so welcome my

(05:20):
friend, welcome yeah, come along, come along yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I'm in.
I'm in for the hay train, yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
One of the most hated men in America today, ladies
and gentlemen, that's true.
Yeah, I was talking to Steely,to Jeff Steele, the other day,
and he goes, he goes, he goes,he goes.
I would ask him who the mostfamous country artist in
Turkmenistan is.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Is that how you pronounce it, turkmenistan?

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Is that right?
Did I pronounce it right?

Speaker 1 (05:50):
You did, you nailed it.
This is a wild story.
Not bad for an Alabama kid yeah.
Yeah, y'all know Jeff longerthan I have, but obviously, dear
friend, brilliant songwriter,extremely talented guy and just
loves America as much as youguys do.
So we hit it off right awaywhen I started hanging out with

(06:11):
my buddy, john Rich and companyand then, long story short, we
became buddies and last summerthe US opened up our largest
embassy in the world rightLargest and I called Jeff and
I'm like, hey, do you know whereTurkmenistan is?
He goes you're punking me, isthat a real place?
And I had to like show him amap and do all this stuff and I
go listen, I need somebody toplay a two-day show out there.
And he goes, where is it?

(06:32):
And I like you know, I was likeit's like it's a good 20-hour
plane ride away in the middle ofthe Caucasus.
He's like I'm.
We went out there and I got totell you there's probably like
500 embassy people at the event.
And then the next night we didlike a local event at the opera
house and dude the Turk men he'snew, this guy's music.
It was unbelievable.

(06:54):
It was a really cool trip.
But it's one of those ways webring out like culture to folks
that don't get it.
We played, he played in frontof children and it was really
cool.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
It?
That don't get it.
We played.
He played in front of childrenand it was really cool.
It was really cool to him to dothat.
He basically did it for free.
Um, it was really awesome he.
He texted me this and then wecan move on.
But he texted me this he goes.
Operation turkmenistan.
We were in.
We were in askabat, an hourfrom tehran, iran, just over the
mountain.
We were going to connect tojerusalem and I asked cash why
we we had to fly all the wayback to Istanbul and we couldn't

(07:30):
just fly direct to Jerusalem.
And Cash said fly direct, wehave to fly over Iran and if
anything happens to the plane,we have to land there.
If we have to land in Iran, wewon't come home.
Is that true?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
yeah, we're not allowed over running airspace.
So if, uh, you know it's a badidea to do that, I mean we got
close enough by the mountains asit was.
I was like steely, you ain'tgetting any closer.
So we sent him a roundabout way.
I think his missus was none toopleased, but it all worked out
in the end and and they got tosee some wild stuff.
They call it the uh, whitemarble kingdom because they took

(08:07):
all the white marble from italyand used it to build
turkmenistan.
There's none left in.
Every single building like thelows is made out of made out of
white marble.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
It's hilarious wow, wow, well, cash, listen.
Uh, you know, we tell people onthis podcast we sometimes will
have a musical guest, sometimeswe'll have we have a navy seal
on, we had riley gaines on, sowe kind of spread our wings a
little bit, uh, and we do talkpolitics sometimes and we try to
tell people listen, we're justaverage people talking about

(08:39):
politics, so but we gotta ask wejust had a debate, or I don't
know if I should say we had adebate.
What did you take away from itthat Biden has a six handicap,
or did?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
you take that's bullshit.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Actually the question I actually really want to ask
are they going to pull him?

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, so look, look, full disclosure.
I'm currently donald trumpsenior advisor for national
security and defense, so I havea bias nobody's going to see
this yeah, yeah, it's justbetween us just between us feel
pretty confident about that no,no, it's going out there.
I'm telling you, I'm going totell the boss I did this.
Yes, um, but you know, for I,honestly, I was proud of the way

(09:26):
my boss handled himself and Iwas saddened for America and
Donald Trump's.
I thought best line of thenight was Joe, I want you to
succeed.
You're a commander in chief,but you're failing, and that's
the right answer for a guy likeme who cares about national
security.
I don't know anything about theeconomy or healthcare or what
have you, but you want anypresident, republican or

(09:46):
Democrat, to succeed.
You don't want thenarco-traffickers to take over
the southern border.
You don't want fentanyl to killour kids.
You don't want illegals comingin and murdering and raping
children, and you don't wantthree more forever wars overseas
, just to name a few things.
While the CCP and Russia arehaving a field day thanks to Joe
Biden After that performancethat he put on, they're probably

(10:07):
sitting around calling eachother and say we got eight
months of free road here, and soI thought it was a sad day for
America to see any presidentperform the way Joe Biden did.
And yeah, I've always said thisfor a long time.
They're going to yank them.
I don't know the exact maneuvermaybe at the convention or
whatever but they're going topull them, and when they do, I
just want to highlight that theDemocratic Party will remove the

(10:30):
democratic process from the USConstitutional Republic that is
America and say, even though allthese states voted to put Joe
Biden in place, we're going tohijack that from y'all.
It's kind of the hypocrisy ofhypocrisies when they call us
you know the conspiratorial, uh,right-wing, you know lunatics,
but um, I don't.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
I also don't think there's going to be another
debate after that yeah, and ifthere is another debate, I would
say at a minimum that biden andhis team would have camera off
of biden while trump is talking,because that was the most
devastating part, not the factthat he couldn't remember a lot
of things and he stumbled, itwas that look on his face as

(11:10):
Trump was talking.
This look and he was very muchlike that's actually very good.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
So a little inside baseball on that.
That lost look.
But CNN didn't want to play thesplit screen.
They actually said we're notgoing to do that, and I think
the campaign was smart enough tosay if you don't do a split
screen, we're out.
So America almost never sawthat split screen that you're
talking about.
That's how much CNN wanted torig it for Joe Biden.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Wow.
But Cash, I'm kind of with youand I'm sorry to interrupt, but
it was the same thing with youand I'm sorry to interrupt, but
it was the same thing.
The takeaway that I had waslike, like I'm I'm sad that
that's the leader of our countryand I'm frightened because
what's now going to happen overthe next six months as he's in
charge or is he in charge likewho's running the country is

(12:00):
what I'm thinking to myself.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
well, it hasn't been very good, so he might be doing
it.
I mean, he actually might berunning it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's a good question and a scary one, and what I
refer to it as it's going to bea pretty heavy national security
crisis from now until whoever'sinaugurated come January 20th
of next year.
Because if I were the CCP, if Iwere Putin, if I was Hamas, if
I was the fat man in North Korea, I'd be calling all my buddies
and being like how are we goingto take it to America?

(12:29):
I mean, they've already joinedforces.
Iran, the mullahs and everyoneover there have smartly, from
their perspective, joined forcesand have been seeding known
terrorists into our countrythrough our southern border, not
for tomorrow or next month, butfor next year or three years
down the road.
They play the long game.

(12:49):
They don't play the immediateimpact game, and that's what
scares me the most is becausethey have so much runway to
install that long game togetherand I think we don't have a
mechanism God knows Congresscan't do it.
We don't have a mechanism totake on what these guys are
scheming about, because theirhatred of America is the one
thing that unifies them.
I mean, they probably hate eachother too, but they're like

(13:09):
we'll put that aside if we cango and take it to America and
they have for the last three anda half years and I think it'll
just go on sort of steroidoverdrive for these next six
months and that's it's not.
It's not a good answer, but ifI said anything else I'd be
lying.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Yeah, well, and simply like the border thing,
from you being on the inside,like us, we would say, hey, it's
votes, you get enough peopleover here, and is it strictly
votes?
And if so, me just being acommon man, it's just such a
ludicrous, scary thought that ifit's just for votes, common man
, it just.
It's just such a ludicrous,scary thought that that if it's

(13:46):
just for votes and winning, youdon't win.
You know, if you've got a bunchof people over here trying to
kill us and you're just bringingas many as possible, you know,
to inflict harm, you know on onus.
I mean, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Dude, that's that's.
You guys should do this for aliving.
These are way better questions.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
No, we that's, that's you guys should do this for a
living.
These are way better questions.
Now we're going to stick tosongwriting.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Thank you, well, actually, please do that because
I have more fun with that.
But, but honestly, that's agreat, freaking question.
Look it's.
It's not a win for America andthe Democrats don't care, and
for the audience out theresaying that, oh, that'll never
happen in the United States ofAmerica.
They would never just bus in 10million votes.
I remind you, you all not youguys, but half of America wasn't

(14:28):
paying attention eight yearsago when the Democratic Party
illegally used campaign dollarsto go overseas and hire some
British guy to make up a wholebatch of dirty, fake information
on her opponent and then tookthe FBI to federal court and
said lie to this federal court,so I can get a surveillance
warrant.
I mean, that was Russiagate.
It took me two years to putthat 60 seconds together.

(14:49):
But I remind people, these arethe same people that rigged the
last presidential election.
When it comes to things likethe 51 Intel letter, we now know
it's totally, totally bogus.
That Hunter Biden's laptop wasabsolutely real and our FBI and
DOJ hid it from us a week beforethe last presidential election.
And same thing with the Jan 6narrative.

(15:11):
So anyone that says these guysaren't in it or don't have the
capability, they've done itmultiple times over and the only
thing I really care about.
I'm not even a political guy,which is kind of funny.
Everybody thinks I am.
I don't campaign, I don't knowhow to do that stuff.
My job.
And I told the boss the samething.
I was like if we put out thetruth, I think you win in a
landslide.
But the fight is putting outthe truth, because every time we

(15:33):
put out the truth we get facepunched by the fake news media
and then the ironic thing isthey'll call me a racist, which
I kind of find funny, since I'ma first generation brown guy or
Trump's a racist, you know,because I was like do they know,
you hired me.
We have this back and forth,which is pretty comedic, but you
got to find ways to get thetruth out there and that's
what's so.

(15:54):
You know, the everydaypolitical podcasts they serve a
purpose but they don't reach theaudience you guys get to.
Getting to your audience iscritical to taking this thing
home.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well, I think an interesting you know in our
landscape and our fan base andwhat we do, I don't think they
can hide the truth anymorebecause people like that we
relate to it's glaring, you knowthey can't afford things
anymore.
When you talk about even theeconomy, like they know you know
when trump was in, it wasbetter.
They know when biden you knowit's been.

(16:27):
They can't afford food and they, you know it's everything's
twice as expensive.
So it's that's the.
That's their truth, is thereality of it.
They're living it.
So I hope that it translates innovember, you know, because I
feel like it has to.
Like people are just fed upwith how hard it is to just live

(16:48):
in on a daily basis, evendealing with the border and
watching that and knowing what'sgoing on, but also just
providing their family.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Well, I'm with you, I'm like an economic.
I'm again, I'm not the economicguy, the financial wizard, the
wall street guy, but I went tothe grocery store the other day
and it was $5 for a jar ofpeanut butter and it was six
bucks for eggs.
Like you know what the F?
You know.
And if everyday families youknow I'm blessed, I'm doing
pretty good, so you know I cantake that swing on.

(17:18):
But what about everydayAmericans?
When the cost of living is up35%, when mortgages are up 27%,
when interest rates on yourhomes are up 17% and when we're
in a inflationary period thatwe've never seen before, and
then there's gas prices andeverything else, how is the
average American familyaffording that economic facelift
?
And the reality is I think yourpoint's right, tully they're

(17:40):
not.
And they're starting to ask thehard questions.
They're like, okay, we votedfor Biden and we're not better
off three and a half, four yearsdown the road.
The question is, can we getthem to vote for Trump?
And now that's the battle.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, they try to spin it.
And the Dems will try to spinthat back to Trump somehow or
whatever.
But the reality is, you know, Ithink people look at it like,
okay, my life was better whenTrump was in office.
This guy's in office, now it'sworse.
That's just the reality of itfor them.
Like it was better, now it'snot.

(18:14):
Here's what's happened.
You know, I'm thinking, I'mhoping at all.
Yeah, it feels like it's thatsimple.
It feels like and I think it isfor most people.
I think it, people that arethat that do have to live on a
budget and, do you know, tryingto provide for family and send
kids to college and pay forstuff.
It's a, it's very much areality.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Hey, let me ask you this Do you think the debate
swayed any liberals to switchtheir vote?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I don't think it swayed liberals to switch their
vote.
So the thing those guys do,better than the Republicans ever
do, is get their marchingorders out to their people and
they marshal their resources andsay you're on our island or
we're kicking you off.
And it's impressive to watchhow vicious they can be when it

(19:05):
comes to the political side ofthings.
So I don't think we you know weswayed any liberals.
I do think the president swayeda lot of independents.
You know, the one thing Ilearned from him and Devin Nunes
about politics the of the fewlessons I got in there I was
like, oh, we proved Russiagate,we're going to win it all.
And they were like you're anidiot.
I was like, all right, I get it.
But I was like America's 40-40on the left and right.

(19:28):
That 40-40 ain't changing.
Either those guys show up tovote or they don't.
But they're not changing howthey vote.
If you can get the middle sevento nine percent, you win every
election, every single one.
And I think what the presidentdid brilliantly Trump was talk
to that specific seven to ninepercent in the middle with the

(19:48):
majority of his debateperformance.
So I don't think that Bidenconvinced any liberals to leave,
but I think Trump convinced alot of independents to say I
think we're coming over to yourside which is all you need to
leave, but I think Trumpconvinced a lot of independents
to say I think we're coming overto your side, which is all you
need to do.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
What I thought was really interesting I'm not sure
if you guys caught it, but thenext day.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Biden had a rally.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
He had like a 22-minute speech and I actually
was watching that.
Jill had a rally and I waswatching it and I was thinking,
wow, you'd have done that lastnight, it'd be a whole different
deal, right.
But one is 22 minutes.
Two, somebody else wrote it.
Three, there's prompters there.
He's reading it.
So it's a whole different ballgame, you know, and but the the
thing that that was the mostshocking to me is that you have

(20:34):
people so aligned with theirparty that over and over again,
the crowd was saying four moreyears.
And I was thinking, did youguys not see last night?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
You know it's like I just can't put it in my head.
You know, I mean four moremonths you know yeah no, they
don't care.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I mean, that's just it, right, those people that
show up to those things they'rein, no matter what the look.
He leaves the debate and he goesto the Hamptons or Hollywood or
wherever to have fundraisersright, because that's what he's
got.
Left, trump leaves and he goesto Chesapeake, virginia, in the
middle of nowhere and has 10,000people show up.
I mean, the difference is whoyou're campaigning to and the

(21:14):
left is left with Hollywood andthe elitist in New York City and
the media, and Trump's game isI'm going after everyone else
and the folks in the financialand tech industries that four
years ago, said Biden was thebest and he's had a monumental
reversal in people like guyslike David Sachs and other rich

(21:35):
billionaires, like trillionaires, who have come around and said
you know what?
You're killing our economy,biden, I'm coming over to Trump.
And so if you can combine andagain you don't have to target
the Biden set of followers butif you can go after those people
that have been traditionalDemocrats and get them to come
over like Trump has, then Ithink you got a real shot at a

(21:55):
big victory.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Yeah, and I'll say just real quickly, just on that,
and you know, send some loveback to Trump on, to me, one of
the most brilliant new policiesthat he has and just talking
about it is no tax on tips.
And so I waited tables, youknow all enough for 10 years and
it's a big freaking deal andthat touches everybody on the
right, left, no matter what.

(22:17):
It's just, it's just workingand not tax.
You know that that's a shouldbe a huge decider for a lot of
independents, I would think too.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, look, it's a, it's a.
So we actually announced ithere in my hometown of Las Vegas
, where we have a serviceindustry that is basically a
large chunk of the state withall the hotels and casinos, and
when he was out here two weeksago, we thought that would be a
good idea to start taking thatout as a policy decision,
because no president has everdone that before.
And the president, of course,astutely, was like, yeah, I love

(22:48):
that idea, he's all in on it.
And then you get guys like KidRock writing on receipts like
$5,000 receipts vote Trump, notax on tips.
And it started this like socialmedia campaign that people were
like wait, he's serious, he'sactually going to do that.
And as a guy who bus tablesmyself and bartended back in the
day man, we lived on tips, thehourly wage was meaningless, but

(23:11):
if the government's going tocome in and take 35, 40% of that
, I think you know between thatand his message to the Bitcoin
crypto community a couple ofweeks ago at the Libertarian
Convention, which was not apleasant reception for Donald
Trump I was there with him, buthe went in there and he battled
and he said I'm going to makeBitcoin self-custody.

(23:32):
You guys have control overBitcoin.
I mean, he's talking tomillions of people that have
never participated in thepolitical process, and same with
the tips thing, and they'relike, ok, this guy's for real,
that policy is legit, I'm all inand it's.
It's that style ofdifferentiating politics that he
runs with Trump that's original, versus Biden just saying

(23:53):
everything's great for me allright, cash.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
What, um?
What is it about trump thatscares the left?
Or maybe it's the deep state,or you know, without getting in
the weeds too deep, becausewe're dummies right yeah, but
what he?
knows that kurt, it's very clearto him.
But I mean, seriously, what isit that scares them so much?
Is that a is?

(24:18):
Is that he exposes what all ofthat is?
And you know, like I think backto even eight years ago, you
know you'd never heard fake news.
That was never a thing.
Yeah, but like the averageAmerican thought that they could
watch CNN and get the truth.
And then Trump comes out Fakenews, we got a buzzer.
And then Trump comes out.
We got a buzzer.
Anyway, trump comes out andthere's, all of a sudden, you

(24:40):
start realizing, oh my gosh,maybe I'm not getting the right
information or correctinformation.
And so he's exposing a lot ofthings and you were there kind
of spearheading some of thatstuff.
Is that what scares them somuch?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
is that he doesn't play by old school Washington
rules.
Dude, you nailed it.
You nailed it Seriously.
Just hit rewind and I'm goingto tape that for the boss.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's such a perfect way because when a guy like me
or Trump says deep state or fakenews, it causes a knee-jerk
reaction in the media.
They're like, oh, these guysare right-wing conspirators.
I don't even know what thatmeans, but that's the label.
Yeah, and if you rewind thetape and look at the arc of this
thing from Russiagate to 51Intel letter, joe Biden's
classified documents, hunterBiden's laptop, the January 6th

(25:26):
quote, unquote insurrection andyou look at what we call
disinformation campaigns, thatis the perfect weapon of the
mainstream media.
They'll take it out no matterwhat, as long as it kneecaps
Donald Trump.
When you combine that effortwith the folks in DC and I'm not
talking Republicans orDemocrats To me that's not how

(25:49):
they identify the movement inthe swamp.
These are folks that care moreabout their name in the
Hollywood headlights and theircareers in the revolving door in
the swamp headlights and theircareers in the revolving door in
the swamp.
They want the head position atthis agency or department.
Then they want their $10million golden parachute in the
defense industrial complex.
Then they want to come back inand do another job at another,
higher position.
That's the unit party.

(26:10):
That's the deep state.
Whatever you want to call it.
It totally exists.
And what Donald Trump did was heannihilated that thing.
I mean, they had never seen aguy come in like that and say,
wait a second, he's going totake away Washington DC and the
swamp we live in, and they wereterrified of that.
On top of that, he came in andaccomplished what all these

(26:31):
politicians ran on and said theywere going to do but never did.
He was the only guy not tostart a war and end.
Three of them I mean everypolitician campaigned on that.
Not one of them did it.
He was the only guy to go downthere and secure our border.
He was the only guy to take thefight to Iran and the
terrorists and to the CCP.
In terms of tariffs, he would goover there and say, fine, you

(26:51):
don't want to work with us,we're going to tariff you 300
percent.
Every other politician saidthey would do that.
Donald Trump did it.
So what he did was not onlyexpose their corruption and sort
of their relationship with themainstream media.
He basically shook up theirentire way of existence, and
that's why the next five monthsthey're going to come at him
full bore.
We haven't even seen anythingyet.

(27:12):
You've seen all the talkingheads on TV go crazy like you
have to vote Joe Biden If youwant to save democracy in
America.
No, they want to vote Joe Biden, so their illegal activities
are never exposed.
We get back in there and youknow, there might be a house
cleaning that Washington DC hasnever seen before.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yikes Wow.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
And I'm personally been happy lately.
I have some not to change thethe subject, but it kind of
pertains Good golf news for me.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
New outfit.
Look, you know me.
I'm very clear and honest aboutmy golf game, which there isn't
one, but between Rory McIlroyMissing two easy putts, we can't
throw him under the bus.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
What do you mean?
He's Irish, I'm Irish, we cando that.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Putts I feel like I can make, which is very rare.
But even better than that,since the debate happened which
is amazing, the whole golf thingon the debate, which was I
can't believe it happened, butit did A lot of Joee biden
swings are popping up on socialmedia.
It's amazing.

(28:21):
I feel like I can take themyeah, forget trump and biden
kennedy biden, kennedy bidenwe're gonna do it, no dude
listen, we're doing it at rtj,at my club, right before your
bristow show.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Y'all are coming out.
We're gonna have some fun.
We're gonna take what brysonsaid and we're gonna put it into
motion.
Bryson's our guy, we love himum, and we're gonna have a
little golf challenge.
We're gonna have, we're gonnahave 47, two putts, and we're
gonna just go around and everytime you miss, we're gonna drink
a beer, it's oh my god, I won'tbe able to play I mean really,
we're there I'm the worst.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Are you a golfer Cash ?

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I caddied for eight years growing up, and then
I just started to play.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Are you serious?
Nice, we just had DeChambeauout here, yeah the live tour is
right here.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, right here.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Oh yeah, he's the man you know, he's a big Trump guy,
oh yeah.
I live on number six on theGrove.
They just left last week, dude,and we hung a sign up.
I'll send you the picture ofthe sign that we hung up.
It said Trump DeChambeau 2024.
And it was hanging off the backof my house.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
It was not modest, it was huge.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Three days and we got a big thumbs up from DeChambeau
on the first day.
Yeah, I'll send you a pictureof it when we're done.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Heck, yeah, he's the man.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
A few things are more terrifying for me than I go out
and play golf with Aldine andKurt.
And these guys are, you know,they can play, they can play and
I can't play.
Neil by the way, is ourresident scratch golfer.
He is.
He's scratched so I won't playwith him.
You're not allowed to come, thenallowed to come, then yeah, no,

(30:00):
I'm taking your money, cash.
When there was a caddy with us,though, that was one of the
more terrifying things I've everhad to do is try to hit this
ball with this and caddiesthey're always good, they, these
guys play, and I'm sittingthere spraying the ball in the
woods and hitting it 10 feet,you know like I'm caddying for
this guy.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, it's not good you want a funny story.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I've never told publicly about golf, just to
make golf go, let's go, let's go, let's go.
So 45's in office, we're playingdown at Palm Beach.
He's like, cash, grab yourstuff, we're golfing.
So we get out there.
And this is back in the daywhen he's like, cash, go out,

(30:42):
lead us out.
And I just crank it left intothe woods and he looks at me and
he goes oh, cash my caddy wastalking, he wasn't, but Trump
was being nice throws outanother ball.
He goes all right, let's justgo again.
And we got the whole right sideof the fairway lined up Trucks,
secret Service, the golf club,people, everybody's there.

(31:03):
So I tee it up again and I'mjust like just put it out there
like 100 yards, you know.
Just like, don't F this thingup.
I snap, hook this thing overthe forest and into the freaking
road.
And he looks at me and he goes.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
I can't help you, but you kept your job.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
That is so good I got yeah, yeah, he was like you're
so bad at golf, we're going tokeep you employed.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It's an impossible game.
It was made for failure?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
No, it's not, no it is.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
For me, it's not, we're going to work.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
It's not, no, it is.
For me it's not.
We're gonna work yeah well,we'll see no anyway, that's fake
news.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
We're not gonna do that we're gonna practice in
virginia I do have hope for myputting, though, with rory doing
that, I feel really good aboutmyself.
You gotta make.
If you're, if you're rory, I'llsay it.
You, you, I mean, come on, yougotta make you gotta make that
putt you have to make you're aprofessional golfer it's for the
us.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
no, no, no, no, no, it's golf.
Okay, nerves are a huge part ofgolf.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
No, it's, I'm just going to say it.
He's got to make that putt,he's got to make the putt I
agree.
He's got to make the putt.
You do this for a living.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Well Cash.
Since we're on lighter topics,this would be a good time point
you were up for like likebachelor, like in florida, like
a most eligible bachelor hold on.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
You were on the bachelor hang on.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
I don't know about this but here's the thing and
what I was reading, because Ispent last night, I was up for
two hours and and I was justjust all the stuff you've done.
I'm like this guy's such anamazing badass, like how do you
have time in the day to do allthe things that you, that you do
?
And then, and then you you hadto ask, then you had to ask out
of the competition, even thoughyou would have won it because

(32:42):
you failed to renew your lawlicense.
What are you talking about?
Right?
That's what it said.
Is that a true story?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's fake news.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
That's fake news.
That's fake news.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
This is when I was a federal public defender way back
in the day.
I can't believe.
You guys did all your homework.
So one of my judges asked me.
She said hey, we're doing afundraiser for an HIV foundation
down in Miami.
They raise money by sellingdates.
Would you participate?
I'm like yeah, of course, noproblem, you know, whatever you
want to do, I was like I'm goingto, I'm going to bring in a
whopping $7, but sure, and thenwhat actually happened was that?

(33:18):
the cool part about the storywas that's when I, after I
committed to it the next month,the Department of Justice's
National Security Division hiredme to become a terrorism
prosecutor and they were likeget your ass to DC next week.
So I had to not do thecompetition and my bar license

(33:39):
has never been suspended.
It's hilarious.
I have bar licenses in New Yorkand Florida, but that's what
these goobers, you know like,lean onto when they try to hit
me.
Like eight years later, theywere like oh you were in a male
dating competition.
I was raising money for HIV.
I'll do it yesterday, I'll doit today and I'll do it tomorrow
, you know.
But that's a perfect example ofI was like if that's the best
you got.
By the way, the AP just calledme.
They've been working on a threemonth hit piece on me.

(33:59):
It's coming out tomorrow, sothis should be good.
We'll have some new stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Nice, wow, this is good training.
Well, speaking of being alawyer and trials, I think I
texted you a month or so backand I was like, hey, dude,
what's up?
And you were literally walkinginto the trial in New York and I
was like, oh yeah, of courseyou are, but so many questions
with this, so many questions.
The sentencing is coming upJuly 15th, I think.

(34:31):
First of all, well, I don'twant to get into the trial and
the sham that was.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Maybe I do, but what do you think is going to happen
on July 15th?
What do you think's gonnahappen on july 15th?
What do you think's gonnahappen?
So that's like the nextconsequential step, in my
opinion, in terms of just what'scoming up.
We got that.
Then we got the rnc conventionright after that and this judge,
as anybody who watched it orread about it, or me, who saw it
there in person.
He doesn't like hate trump.

(34:56):
He thinks Trump's like the megadevil, and I don't think he's
going to hesitate to impose aprison sentence after his rigged
trial.
Now, the reality of that effectis, if they sentenced Donald
Trump to one day in prison, hewins.
He wins by a landslide.
He's Nelson Mandela.
Now what I think will happen isthe judge will issue a prison
sentence.
He'll probably be like you'regoing to jail for five.
Now what I think will happen isthe judge will issue a prison

(35:18):
sentence.
He'll probably be like you'regoing to jail for five years,
but I'm going to delay thatsentence and allow you to appeal
and campaign so he doesn't comeoff as because putting a pin in
that.
What I think the radical left,the Democrats, the judge and the
mainstream media wanted wasthey thought that conviction of
Donald Trump would take him outof the election cycle, and what

(35:41):
happened was the completeopposite.
His polls have never beenbetter.
The fundraising after thatconviction has never been that
high, and so I think they'velearned that if they keep going
down that path, they're actuallyhelping Donald Trump.
So I think they'll kind ofsplit it and say you're going to
prison, but we're going to letthe appeals process and the

(36:01):
election play out, and so theycan say Donald Trump convicted
felon sentenced to five years inprison.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
The goal to make that it doesn't matter, it'll get
overturned on appeals, howeverfar down the road that is, but
that was the title they wanted,would you say that's true?

Speaker 1 (36:24):
100%.
They got it and you knowthey'll use that.
But here's I always believelook, as a former lawyer, I'm a
like due process guy.
I used to represent the cartelwhen I was a public defender.
I was like give me the worst ofthe worst.
If you can't represent theworst of the worst, then the
innocent man doesn't deserve theprotection of the Constitution.

(36:46):
And you'd be amazed how manyliberals I used to work with
would say oh, I don't want todefend that guy or that person,
he's too icky.
And so I think you know theirhypocrisy always shows it.
Think you know their hypocrisyalways shows it's showing now in
the sentencing of this man.
It's showing now in the trialof that man and it just
backfired on them.
It completely backfired on themand they probably are

(37:09):
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hey, talking about cash being abadass, let's, let's go to this.
So rewind, whatever.
Seven years when trump got inoffice, one of the things that I
was scared about the most, andI think most americans were
scared about, was isis.

(38:00):
Isis was, I mean, it put thefear.
It was a global fear, right, uh?
And if I'm being honest, whentrump was running, I was like,
okay, how's he going to be atforeign affairs, how is he going
to be on this thing?
Because that was was you know,you don't know right, but part

(38:21):
of what you did under Trump'sadministration.
You took down Baghdadi.
Is that like I mean, I'm hey,this is yeah, this is legit?
Is that like one of your careerhighlights or is that something
that you just look back on andgo, damn, we did that.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
That was pretty cool no, that was some pretty
righteous shit.
I mean, it doesn't get muchbetter than that.
Yeah, it was.
I'll give you the short storyand you can read the longer
boring story in my book.
But the we were.
I mean we do reps and sets.
You know we get ready for thattype of event every week.
Right, we're like this week go,this week go, this week go.
So it was another Saturday atthe white house.

(39:01):
I was dressed like a bumSaturday and I got my hoodie on,
whatever I got my sneakers on,and then we finally get the word
and we're like we're getting.
You know, we go brief the boss.
We're like we think we shouldgo today, based on all the intel
and all this other stuff, andhe's like today's the day.
He's like all right, lock itdown.
So we kick all the tours out ofthe White House, lock down West
Exec and the whole building.

(39:22):
So people are furious.
We get the VP, the SEC, def andeveryone into the Situation Room
and we're like, you know and Isaw the boss and the first lady
was with him the entire timemasterfully handle all this
incoming intelligence andinformation and ultimately it's
up to him Are our boys going tobe safe?
Can we get them out of there?

(39:42):
Can we do that infill?
Can we do the exfil and allthese variations people going to
get hurt and he was callingballs and strikes and it was
pretty impressive to see.
And then we killed Baghdadi, andso it was a pretty surreal
experience in the Situation Room, but we, my guys, had a
three-hour exfil out of there sowe had to wait until they got

(40:05):
off the X because of their routein and out over Russian
airspace and Syria was a littlecomplicated and there may have
been some bad weather.
So once they got the all clear,this is a story everybody
doesn't know.
Yeah, we killed the worstterrorist on earth because
President Trump had the gall totake him out, but as soon as it
was over, he goes Cash.
I want the names of everyground force commander because I

(40:27):
want to call them andcongratulate them in person.
On top of that, I want thenames of every parent who lost a
son or daughter as a result ofan ISIS beheading, like Kayla
Mueller, foloff Sotley.
We took that down to him in theEast Wing at, like you know, 11
pm at night.
He just started making phonecalls.

(40:48):
The first people before he toldthe media was he wanted to tell
the families and the servicemembers how much he appreciated
them, and that's the thing themedia never covers.
The next day they calledBaghdadi like a saint Literally
they called him a saint and Iwas like this guy's not a saint.
He literally butchered andraped American citizens, not to
mention the 10,000 other peoplehe killed.
And you guys don't want to giveTrump the credit, but once he

(41:08):
did that, that and at the time Iwas running, I was head of his
counterterrorism stuff in thewhite house I was like it's just
, it was on.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I mean, it was game on from there like donkey kong,
we just kept going and it wasfun well, you're like jack ryan.
Well, yeah, I mean, and I'm sowell you're like jack ryan, bro
the thing about it is that yousay he's, you know, such a
badass and doing all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
And while you're waiting on go time and all that
is that, when you had the timeto think about writing your
children's book and everything.
It's like you have this hugedynamic back.
I mean it's pretty wild to havethat much of a scale to your
life and your mind.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Well, listen, like y'all, you surround yourself
with some great people.
After we got out, we were likewhat are we going to do?
And my publicist was like Ithink you should write a
children's series on Russiagate.
And I was like that's thedumbest thing I've ever heard.
And then we did it and it wasthe number one children's book.
And then we wrote another oneand we got the third one of the
trilogy coming out this summer,the Return of the Maga King.

(42:12):
And then in between all that,the last couple of years, the
guys that worked with the WhiteHouse were like you know, you
got to get the story out, notyour story, but Trump's.
You know Trump's story, theswamp story, the deep state
story You're 16 years in and putit out for the American people.
So we wrote GovernmentGangsters, which went to a
bestseller and, by the way, it'ssad that my buddy Steve Bannon

(42:33):
went to prison today, but hemade it into a movie which we're
playing at the RNC.
We're premiering it there overthere.
So we're pretty excited aboutall of that.
But all of that doesn't happenunless you have a guy like
President Trump, who's willingto take it in the face every
single day, despite what themedia says and we're just going
to win for America, like I keepasking him that.

(42:54):
I'm like why are you running?
What are you doing?
You're a billionaire.
Your family's amazing.
You got these properties aroundthe world.
You've done it.
You served once.
Like, if you ride out into thesunset, you know I would not
blame you one second.
And every time he looks at mehe goes cash.
I will not leave this countryWorse off than it was while I
was alive.
I will go fight for it.
And to me he goes it doesn'tmatter what the cost is.

(43:17):
And I was like damn.
I was like all right, I'm allin.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, when we met him .
Absolutely, I know you'll,you'll.
We met him a couple of times.
Both times it was like I waspumped up after talking to him.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
He's the real deal man he loves this country.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, it's very evident Like it was inspiring
100%.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I still have that photo of all of us at Palm Beach
.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Dude, it's amazing, I'm like, of course, it was
pretty badass.
Very badass.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Yeah, and it's like too, when we talk about he's
transparent in the sense thatyou know by listening to him and
watching him talk that he lovesAmerica and he cares about
America.
And just like it's interestinghow country fans and what we do
if there's a poser or somebodysinging about something that
they don't really believe,somehow people know about it.

(44:12):
They just know if that's nottrue life, if it's not sincere
and like the artists that makeit in this industry or others,
it's not an accident.
You know, it's who they are.
And the same with Trump.
I mean I know just as a viewer.
I don't know him, I've nevermet him, but I can see it in his
face and I hear by what he says.
I've never met him, but I cansee it in his face and I hear
about what he says.
He loves America, he wants goodthings for us.

(44:35):
I do know that.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
No, the intersection.
I mean that's the really coolthing about what y'all do, what
we do.
We'd never have met if therewasn't that shared intersection
along the way of what you guysdo day in and day out and your
massive fan base and the amountof people you can reach.
And I think it took a few yearsto stitch that thing together.
But once it came together Imean, when you go out to shows
like y'all show or some other,you know very, very popular

(45:01):
artists who are out there.
Every single one in that crowd,every single one in that band,
every single one relates to whatPresident Trump believes in in
this country and it's a prettypowerful movement to see man.
So hopefully one of these dayswe'll get them back out on stage
with y'all.
I think that's doable in thefall.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Hey Cash, so much of what we've talked about is like
way up here, Like I've got sixstrings, Tully's got five.
I mean to try to compute someof this stuff is hard.
Let's break it way down.
Let's, let's break it way down.
What are you?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
watching on Netflix.
I'm watching house of thedragon and mayor of Kingstown
and I don't know if they're onNetflix.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
I don't think they are, but so is that one good
mayor of Kingstown?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I haven't seen that it's the best show out there.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Alvin's raving about it.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
He's like yeah hands down, hands down.
Jeremy Renner, I like that, andwhen I'm not watching that, I'm
watching myself lose money onevery sporting competition in
Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Okay, so who are you a fan of?
Who are you a fan of?
Who do you watch?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
I mean, I'm a hockey guy, so I'm from New York.
The New York Islanders are myfavorite team.
I still play.
To me it's the greatest sporton earth.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I was kind of pulling for the Islanders you know I'm
a.
Bruins guy.
It's been a rough go of itdealing with Florida the last
couple years.
I'm not going to lie.
Pretty pissed actually, but theIslanders, you know, always had
this weird.
I'm from way upstate New Yorkoriginally but I had this weird

(46:41):
soft spot for the Islanders, youknow that's because we sucked
for so long.
It's just you're close.
Right, it's close, it's gettingcloser you know, can I show you
something?

Speaker 1 (46:53):
This is the coolest thing I own.
Oh no, like Trumpism, right?
How I would you know?
I was born the day after the1980 miracle on ice right yeah.
Wow.
And then this guy, kenny Morrow, was on the team and he would
go on to win four Stanley Cupswith the New York Islanders.
After the gold medal, kennymaro sends me this oh wow,

(47:13):
signed usa hockey jersey thatsays to cash keep making america
great again.
1980 gold stanley cubs 81, 2, 3and 4.
Kenny mara like how bad ass isthat?

Speaker 3 (47:24):
why isn't that thing in a frame?
You just gotta lane around youput it on.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Don't tell him that.
But kenny's a big trump guy, sokind of fun, so you know I'm
from, I'm from 20 minutes fromlake placid.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
So, yeah, growing up there, that, just surrounded by
that is the fact that you havethat, is, uh, that's amazing
it's just it's all, it's allspecial and it's all just due to
the uncharted path.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
All I wanted to do was be rich, like honestly.
I was like I'm going to lawschool, maybe that guy in suits,
I'm gonna make a milliondollars every other month.
I was broke as a publicdefender.
I was poor as another publicdefender and then I kept going.
But you know what Best laidplans and I wouldn't change it.
For the world defense, alwaysdefense.

(48:14):
Dude, you got the shot.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
You got the slapper.
Yeah, point, I got a clapper,like me.
It takes me, you know, foreverto wind it up.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
But you know, oh man and so, uh, just going back,
just just to just to have youhere is awesome.
And uh, just going back to thelast election, because everybody
talks about the you knowelection interference and ballot
harvesting and things like that, and you, you know, and we can,
we can watch, and there there'scertain you know places where

(48:38):
they're putting up cardboard onthe windows and so nobody can
see and stuff.
So like thinking, ifeverybody's watching this, that
I mean obviously something'shappening there.
Why would you cover up?
You know things like One do youbelieve?
Believe that happened?
You know that'd be the firstthing.
And then then in in the debate,uh, the other thing talking
about Biden is saying, sayingyou know that Trump, you know,

(49:01):
wants his, his revenge, and ofwhich it wasn't revenge.
You know he's saying, hey, it'sgoing to be success.
You know that's a retribution,is success.
So, just on those two things,if you'd preach for a minute,
it'd be great.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, look, I think he's laid it out brilliantly.
I can't go.
You know, the one thing I tellpeople is I can't go back in
time.
I'm not the election integrityfraud guy, that's not my
wheelhouse.
But even if it were, I can't goback in time and put him in
there, right?
That's just not going to happen.
So the reality is we cancomplain about it for three and
a half four years, or we coulddo what the president is doing

(49:34):
and put out what he's calledSwampTheVotecom and the
statement too big to rig onRussia, on the never-ending wars
, on the economy, on diplomacyand protecting our troops and

(49:55):
putting our frontline workersfirst.
There isn't a policy they have.
That's better.
If there was, we would haveadjusted to it, and so many more
Americans are tuned in now thatmy message to them when I go
talk to them around the countryis simple we have to win so big
that none of that other stuffmatters.
We have to go out to ourcommunities and get people

(50:16):
educated and get people out tovote and do the ballot thing, if
it's legal in your community,and simply tell them the truth
that they've been denied.
And I know it's maybe naive,but I believe that President
Trump's on the right path bygoing out there and saying we're
going to make this thing toobig to rig and people are
bolting onto it.
So I think it's working and Ithink that's the right move.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Too big to rig.
I like it it almost sounds likeJohnny Cochran.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
If the glove don't fit, you must acquit Too big to
rig.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I'm seeing merch there.
Yeah, I love it.
I have a question for you.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Who killed Kennedy?
I love it.
I have a question for you.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I can't wait.
Who killed Kennedy?

Speaker 4 (50:56):
I know, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I know, you know.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
If you don't tell us now.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Maybe I'll get you liquored up at a show or
something.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
If you tell us we'll write a song with you.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
And I've definitely read all the Kennedy files.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
That blows my mind.
Okay, mind blown.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
But here's a cool part about that that we can put
out to your audience that it'sfor real.
The one thing I told thepresident was I believe in the
classification system ofclassified intelligence.
It serves a purpose.
But I also told him I'm the guythat exposed the most
corruption and abuse of theclassification system.
So what's the solution to that?
So we talked about standing upan office of declassification,

(51:34):
should he win again?
So 24-7, america can say, hey,I want JFK, I want 9-11.
I want this, I want that, and Ifirmly believe that we could
put out 50% of the classifiedinformation, because most of it
just sits there to make peoplefeel cool and to hide corrupt
government activities.
So the JFK thing and thepresident said this publicly, so
I'm not getting ahead of himhe's literally said if he wins,

(51:57):
he's going to put out almost theentirety of the JFK files, and
I think America should see them.
And so it's a great example ofus taking a construct that we
kind of joke about and sayingnot just that, we're going to
let it all out through aclassified declassification
office, and I think it's abrilliant idea.
And either that or you get mereally drunk at your next show.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
You can at least then have Costner read it.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
No, I'll get you liquored up though.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
We'll get deep On original glory beer.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, I like it.
Well, listen, cash, this hasbeen a pleasure, yeah, amazing,
and we can't thank you enough.
You're an American patriot,you're a great friend.
Thank you so much for doingthis.
It means a lot to us, brother.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
It really does.
Absolutely.
I want to come out to Vegas andplay golf.
Yeah, anytime you want, we'llhave some two putts out in the
backyard well, there's nomulligans and there's no.
There's none of that I'll beyour caddy.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I'll be like, yeah, cash grab that nine.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
But but honestly, listen guys, I do, man, I
probably do like 45 mediainterviews a month, right, and
this one's the best one I'vedone in a long time, because we
are trying to get the truth outto people who don't dial in.
Normally, and the everydayjunkies are always going to
listen to the mainstream media,the cable news and the big time

(53:27):
networks and podcasts, podcast.
But what you guys are doing, inspite of your monster touring
schedule and writing scheduleand singing schedule and
recording schedule, is gettingout there and punching at it for
the American people.
I wish there was like 10 moregroups like you and doing this
kind of work and taking theamount of time it is to do the
research and put it out there.
I was extremely humbled to beinvited on the program and you

(53:50):
know, obviously I value ourfriendship more than anything,
more than anything else we'redoing.
But but what you guys do onstage, I think you guys have
surpassed that off stage hereand and it really needs to be
out there with what Americansare watching, because what you
have access to, no billionairecan buy and that's how we get
out and win for America.

(54:10):
So I thank you for having me on.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Cash Love you brother Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for coming on.
All right, thank you, my man.
Thank you, brother, we'll seeyou soon.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Guys.
I mean Cash Patel has been tohow many shows he's been to a
few, A lot, and y'all hung outbackstage with him.
You're toasting before you goon stage.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
And you really had no idea who he was.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
And they say what a cool guy.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
What a great, nice fellow.
That's Tully's words.
What a cool guy.
Explain to us how dumb, we are.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
No, I get it.
You have a job to do.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, I get it, I really there's no excuse, other
than it's just like we knew hewas Trump's guy and we're like,
oh, he's one of Trump's guys.
Cool, Nice to meet you.
Cash.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
But you're in show clothes.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Get my hand me my whiskey yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
But as I started to dig, I'm astounded.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
I'm looking back at all the years and all the things
I should have said yeah, right,what I didn't say.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
That only makes you more money you know, you know,
you're like he's probablythinking wow, this is getting no
respect from these guys man,these musicians don't know
anything.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Maybe I'm with tully.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
When I started doing a little bit of the research,
I'm like, okay, let's get alittle more information.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
I was like oh wow, oh wow, intimidating oh, wow yeah,
no, no doubt it was so much,and I know kurt's up late, so so
last night I'm starting, we,you know, get the baby down.
You know rachel's downeverything and I was like so
we're laying there, we'rewatching a thing on, you
mentioned netflix, we'rewatching.
Uh, your honor, oh, good oneguys, is it good it's?

Speaker 3 (55:51):
good, it's amazing, yeah, and, and so we're watching
your.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Honor oh good one.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Is it good, it's good .

Speaker 5 (55:54):
It's freaking amazing , and so we're watching that and
I'd already thought of what Ineeded to do after, but I
totally forgot.
And we're just laying there andshe goes, hey, it's been a good
day.
I said, yeah, it's been a lot.
We had in-laws in andeverything.
And she goes, yeah, I said, hey, love you babe, love you too.
I'm just kind of laying therethinking, oh well, I've totally

(56:15):
forgot.
We have a podcast tomorrow.
We're interviewing this guy.
I know nothing about himwhatsoever, so I get him.
She goes you're getting up now.
I said, yes, I must.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yes, I must.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
And so.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
I did and I knew Kurt would be up and I said it's
11.33.
I'm like, hey, just nowstarting my research, how about
you?
He goes, I've got a couplethings Call me tomorrow, but
anyway, but as I was doing that,and I thought I was going to do
it for like 30 minutes just toget a little bit of a heads up
so you can go to sleep thinkingabout it and get to know who he

(56:46):
is and wake up thinking about it, but as I went through there
and it's just thing after thingof amazing thing you know that
he's done.
I'm like, first off, how do you, how are you in control of all
those things in a given day?
And I was like, okay, I, Idon't know how to prepare for
this.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I'm like why is he our friend?
It's too much.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
That's what came to my mind, because he's one of us.
Why is he?
Well, you're right, truly he'sone of us.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
He really yeah you're right, truly, he's one of us.
He really is.
Yeah, you're right, an amazingguy and we always had so much
fun hanging out.
I never thought to talk abouthey, what do you do?

Speaker 4 (57:20):
So what do you do, I can tell you, but I have to kill
you if I told you.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
It's really impressive.
Oh my God, he was the guy,apparently and we didn't talk
about this that uncovered theHillary email scandal as well.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Yes, Right, yes, we didn't get into that Hillary?

Speaker 4 (57:35):
who?
Who are we talking about here?

Speaker 5 (57:38):
No, but everything that we're interested in.
I mean, he was involved ineverything I know.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Mind-blowing.
It's like some Zero Dark Thirtystuff.
Yeah it is, it's like Harrison.
Ford in an action film.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Well, dude, and you asked about it.
It's like I've heard on someother interview he gave like
he's read all of the JFK files.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
He knows all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
I know he knows the 9-11 stuff, like he knows all
that stuff, and it's like, oh myGod, but part of what they're
trying to do, which is awesome,right, they're trying to
declassify a lot of thatinformation because I think the
American people should knowwhich we should, right?
Yes, or is it Jack Nicholson?
You can't handle the truth, Idon't know.
But I mean, I think it's prettycool that they're trying to
declassify.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I think it's great.
I'm still kind of taken aback.
I'm still just mostlyembarrassed for myself for not
like.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
You're going to act a little different.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
How many shows actually was he?
At least six.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
I mean, he's been to quite a few, at least five or
six, but you know hang outbefore he hung out no hang out
before he came you didn't knowwho he was.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
He was here in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
We did something at Aldean's bar he followed us bar
and he's like have fun, man.
I'm like, yeah, you too.
And you know, cash, cash on thewire.
You got the bar.
But like he's that cool though,like we've hung out and and I
just never, I guess, thought toreally dig in on what he and I

(59:05):
started digging into it and I'mlike wow this is how he was so
cool about this?

Speaker 4 (59:11):
about what?
We're doing though we get toactually research some of these
guys, and it makes you do thatit does, and then once you do,
and he's a fan of the music,which is always so cool.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
He's a big fan of the music.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
You find out that right there.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
He said it's that common thread.
I'm kind of in awe.
I want me to look at him in theeye for a minute.
It's going to take a minute.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
Everywhere he's been, in every conflict possible in
our lifetime, he's been thereand he's listened to Al Dean's
music.
He's heard Kenny Chesney musicor Brad Pate music, toby Keith
music, whatever We've all beenwith Toby Keith.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
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We appreciate you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Until next time we're going to be writing songs
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Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
We're going to be writing songs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Cheers everybody.
That's what we do Still in huntfor an RV.
We'll end with that, Thanksguys.