Lots to Say: FOX CFB Bruce Feldman and the NFL Combine

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel look back at Matt's experience with getting ready for the NFL Combine and Draft.  FOX CFB analyst Bruce Feldman dives into some of the future NFL talent coming into the Combine.  Will Travis Hunter play both ways in the NFL?  Bruce reveals who he thinks the most talented QB is and who will be the #1 overall pick.  How long does it take to put together the 'freaks' list?  

It surprises Bobby that Matt grew up as a hip-hop fan.  Bobby tells his history in rap music and what his rapper name was.  We debut 'GOAT Stories' as our hosts exchange their own tales. Plus, what are the Top 5 sports movies of all-time? 

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lots, just.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We got lots.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Just what a begger here and we hope you say
because we got lost just said, yeah, we got a lot.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Just say.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Here's Bobby that in my number sixteen Matt Castle Jersey.
Today found pretty good. You look good.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
When I saw you walking right outside, I was like,
that is savage right there.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
You thought it was a mirror, You.

Speaker 6 (00:44):
Thought it was you rock in the sixth and you
fill it out better than I do.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, I look pretty good. This is all I still
want to know where you found that? Is that rebok?

Speaker 6 (00:52):
This?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh that is old school? Yeah, it's got rebock right there. Yeah,
I don't know. I got this off eBay. Yeah, So
I went and I just looked for an old I
thought it'd be funny to have a Matt Castle Patriots Jersey.
And so I've found it. And it still smells like
Amazon or eBay or whatever it is. eBay smells bad.
Amazon smells fine, right, read because Amazon's new eBay comes

(01:18):
from someone's house.

Speaker 6 (01:18):
Right, And then if you get an Amazon package, it's
in plastic.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, good point. I smell like eBay right now, you
smell like because I haven't watched it. Yeah, don't wash it.
I just put it on. No, just rocket heart. I
worked a bed every night. Did you keep any stuff?
You know what?

Speaker 6 (01:33):
I have a helmet from every place I played other
than when I had my short stint in Buffalo. Didn't
have really time to actually get the helmet or jersey
or something like that. And then Dallas is the one
I wish I would have picked up because Dallas was
my childhood like team, you know what I mean. My
dad grew up in Texas all that stuff that and
through the nineties that's what I grew up watching.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
So I was pretty piss.

Speaker 6 (01:53):
Off that I didn't actually get a jersey or a helmet.
I still could go back and probably call the trainer
and stuff like that, but but.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
They'll have to remake it then, right, You don't want
to know? I wanted to, you know, because it's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
After season they give you the option to buy your jerseys,
buy your helmet and do that and you can actually
have it as a collector's item and it's really not
for you as much as it is for like as
your kids get older, my kids will run in and
throw in my helmets they get I still have my
old shoulder pads. My son, who's in fifth grade and
played his first year at school and tackle football, was

(02:25):
rocking my pads this year.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I was like, dude, I bet you they've come up
with better pads at this point. No, He's like, no, Dad,
do fifth grade. That's pretty cool though. It was pretty good.
That's pretty cool. Yeah, it was pretty cool. I mean.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
But the funny part is he played offensive line and
he still had like, you know, the little backstrap.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
That goes down.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, he had that hanging down because I used to
wear the ribcage here, but I'd have a little backstrap,
so he had that as an offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I was like, well, makes you look a little bit girthier.
You look good. Did you ever wear the neck brace?

Speaker 5 (02:52):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Oh, Actually, this is a funny story. My first year
I played pop warner. I was like nine, ten years old.
So my mom and my dad like they were a
little bit worried about me going out for the first time.
So I up to practice for the first padded practice.
I had a neck roll, I had elbow pads. I
might even had shin pads on. I had every pad

(03:14):
you could possibly get, and the coach looks at me
and goes, cass, I thought you wanted to play quarterback.
I was like, I do, coach, and they go, take
all that crap off right now.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I literally showed up with the neck roll like I
was like, what are we doing? The neck roll was
so legit. It was like all school legit, all stot.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
I just remember all start with like the Cowboy caller
and he'd wear it up over.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
I was like, dude, what a g I.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Have a couple updates. Number one, So I watched Roddick
play in his pickleball tournament on ESPN video. It was
on Sunday. So he played Agacy in singles at first,
and Agassy's an awesome player at single I think Agass
he plays pickleball a lot where Andy never plays pickleball
until time. So Andy lost that first match, and so

(03:57):
then they played a doubles match. It was Andre Agassy
and his wife Steffi Graff versus Andy and a female
to player I wasn't super familiar with younger, and they
ended up winning that one three two. So then they
go to like a sudden death deal and they would
switch different teammates. Andy played really well, but his teammate,
who was John Isner, who's like six foot eight, hadn't

(04:20):
play much pickleball. John kind of sucked and they ended
up losing the tournament.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
You know, he's devastated too, because he's ultra competitive.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Oh yeah, Andy, I'm sure he's eating his fist right now.
And it was on television, so you know, I'm sure
that wasn't good. So there. That's that's update number one.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
So did Agassy actually end up working?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
He won the whole thing, so he took him the
purse baby him, it says Agasy because he won the singles,
but it was definitely a team thing. Him and Stephanie
Graff and Marty Fish won their team. Okay, but it's
like thirty eight degrees here today as we're doing this,
like so cool, what's the degree we can start playing pickleball?
Because it gave me the itch again?

Speaker 6 (04:57):
You know what, there was an indoor place. You know,
you kind of have to go indoors around this time
of year.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I have an indoor play thirty eight I'd say forty.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
Could you could get out there with the sweat sweat
shirt on some sweatpants and start paddling it up.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
We're ready, right, let's do Yeah, I mean we're at
the itch. I watched on television. I was like, I
can do this. I can play with these guys. Although
probably not, No, I think you could because I need
to see your game because I made I haven't made
a lot of my game. You told me last week
that you wanted to go pro in pickleball. I do,
but I wanted to go pro in baseball and I

(05:32):
was ninety as well.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
But I think that this is a different type of sport.
They're not gonna be throwing ninety six at you. Okay,
fair enough, Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I don't know. I'm feeling pretty confident on my jersey
here today. I know he's got the swag. Yeah, I'm
looking pretty good. We have Bruce Fellman coming up in
a little bit and Bruce Feldman is going to talk
a bunch about the NFL Combine, which will be super
cool as it's coming up. You did a pro day,
but you never did combine right right.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
For some reason, they lost my invite.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
Maybe it was because I didn't start a game in
college and they kind of you know, when you go
to the NFL Combine, you have somewhat of a resume,
so I knew I wasn't going there, but the fact
that we had.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
The pro day.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
All these schools have pro days as well, and a
lot of these guys in the upper echelon, maybe in
the first round won't always do all the drills.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
They might not even.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Throw at the combine, but they wait until they get
to their pro day because it's their showcase. They're familiar
with a lot of the guys running route, so maybe
have a better outing that way, and so you have
two opportunities to impress scouts. But obviously the NFL Combine
is something that I know is treasured by most front
office people in personnel because they get to sit down
in front of you. And don't get me wrong, the

(06:41):
interviews are fifteen twenty minutes from what I understand, but
they're trying to get to know you really a little
bit with personal questions if you've had a pass if not. Also,
maybe even it's the football IQ get up on the
board and want to break down some film right up,
a few plays, see how much how your brain processes.
And I think it's different now because so many of

(07:01):
these guys are coming out. There's schools that you go
to to learn exact exactly what they're going to ask
you at the combine.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
So I took an ACT course to take an ACT test.
Is it a bit like that, you go and go
to class in order to pass the combine?

Speaker 6 (07:15):
They get the answers to the test, so they're gonna
and even like executives that used to work in the
NFL put on a lot of these seminars. So these
kids and these agents, they hook them up with their
them so that they can prep and go into these
meetings and kill it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So they're prepared for questions.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
So it's a little bit different for these guys because
I don't think that they're truly getting just that individual
raw out of college. These guys have been prepped. They're
ready to go and it's a professional deal.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Now, did you get interviewed before the draft at all? Well?
I did have private workouts.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
So after the pro day, I had about five different
private workouts Cincinnati Bengals, San Diego Chargers, the Raiders, a
few others. And so what they did would they'd come
to school and we'd go out and do a workout.
But it wasn't so much about the workout as much
as it was when we'd go into the classroom they'd
put on some game film. They asked me what the
call was, what was our check, what we're going through

(08:11):
in our mind pre snap versus post snap. Describe this
defensive structure for me. They might even draw up a
play then go watch the film and say, can you
draw that same play up that we talked about, Now
draw it up versus you know, a different coverage.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
So they want to kind of get a better.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Understanding for just your overall knowledge of the game and
at the same time your retention rate and see what
you do and how you react in those moments. So
that was something that was new to me because I
had no prep for any of this stuff. I just
went in and answered the questions to the best of
my ability. And some of it's intimidating when you're sitting
there with the coordinator and they're saying, you know, run

(08:49):
this play or draw this play up, but it's completely
different terminology, so you try to simplify it in your terms.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
But I think that they all went pretty well. Would
they do the thing where they give you a bunch
and then like two hours later, see how much When
you mentioned retention, is that what you're talking about? Like
would they give you some sort of play book to
memorize or concepts to know and then come back and
test you on it later in the day. So that's
that's what I was talking about.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
Like before we'd even go up and kind of break
down films, some guys would have you up on the board, whiteboard,
and they're drawing up defenses or they're drawing up this
particular concept. How they would call it? What the protection
scheme was? Hot side adjust?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Right? So they're teaching you first and then checking you
later to see remember that.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
Right, So they're teaching you and then you're sitting there
seeing the concept. But then after you watch say thirty
forty minutes of film, can you draw up that same play?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Got it?

Speaker 6 (09:38):
How did you call the play What was our protection scheme?
Was it a six man protection scheme? Was a seven
man protection scheme? Is there something that would get you
in trouble here? What's your hots? What's your side of?
Just so they're just challenging you to see your attention
rate and also can you go and be able to
articulate what was being taught to you?

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, I don't remember what you just said. That's retention, right,
My retention rate is solo. What is your name? Oh yeah,
I look at my jersey, I'm Castle Couch right, your
Matt Castle.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
And the great part is you can always.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
You know, some of these coaches come in and this
is the first time medium and you get through halfway
through a workout and you're like, gosh, I forgot the
coaching team exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But you can always. It's fail proof. Coach, Hey, coach,
how are you doing?

Speaker 6 (10:18):
That's the beautiful part about it.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Coach?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
All right? Bruce Feldman coming up here on last to say, Hey, Bruce,
thanks for hanging out with us today. We have lots

(10:42):
of questions about players at the combine. I think I
want to start with Travis Hunter, and he's been so
front and center for so long our people. Is the
lack of interest because of the overexposure happening? And how
good is he?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think he's a remarkable talent. I mean, he was
the guy coming out of high school as the number
one ranked overall recruit in the country, followed Dion to
Jackson State, and decommitted from floor or State, and from
the time he's got to Colorado he has been a
dominant player. I think the thing that's most remarkable to
me about him is his gas tank is insane. And

(11:17):
what I mean by that is to make the big
plays and the wow plays. You know, one hundred snaps
into a game, ninety snaps, one hundred and eleven snaps
into a game is insane. I mean, we've seen guys,
whether it's Champ Bailey or Charles Woodson dabble in playing
a little bit of offense. He is was arguably one

(11:40):
of the five best receivers in college football, and he
was algably the best cornerback in college football. Talking to
Robert Livingston, his defensive coordinator at SEE who spent a
decade plus in the NFL with the Bengals versus a
scout and then as a safety's coach, he's just kind
of blown away by his You know, he is just

(12:00):
one of these guys. There's no stiffness to him at all.
His ability to change direction, burst on the ball is remarkable.
His football smarts is, you know, really really high level
as well. He's not the biggest, thickest guy you see him.
He's six ' to one and probably one eighty five runs. Well,

(12:21):
he's not going to run four two, five. But his
burst is what's is what's pretty special. His ability to
change direction is really special, and it is just again
his ability to not get tired and make great plays.
That's something college football's not ever seen before.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Bruce, when you talk about Travis Hunter, where do you
see him playing when he goes to the NFL. Do
you think he'll be more of a premier cornerback or
do you think that there's going to.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Be the ability for him to play both ways.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I think there's going to be ability for him to
play some both ways. I can't imagine, you know, because
there's so much of being involved in meetings and everything
for preparation wise, to see somebody go and play, you know,
most of the game on both sides of the ball.
I just think it's a longer season, it's a much
more physical brand of football. I mean, he's not in

(13:13):
the Big twelve now. If you're going to the NFL,
my guess is he will be more of a cornerback,
but I think you will see him get chances at receiver.
I think the part that's going to be interesting is
you know, how much of a difference does he make
if he's if he's playing on that side of the
ball as well. But I would expect him to be

(13:33):
more of a cornerback in the NFL. But again, a
lot of people doubted that he was able to do
what he proved that he could do when he won
the Heisman. So you know, I can see him getting
some reps at receiver. I just don't think he will
get as anywhere near as much as he has.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Let's switch to Abdell Carter, who looks like a maniac.
Will a team draft him high because they need the
position or just because he is a monster?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I think it's probably the latter, you know. I mean, look,
everybody's always looking for people who can be disruptive, get
after quarterbacks. You see what Michael Parsons has done with
the Cowboys there. This guy played at linebacker and then
was shifted to the defensive end this past year, and
I thought was one of the most impressive games he

(14:19):
had was coming off injury in the playoff where he
was banged up and he was still really disruptive, made
a ton of plays his burst. You know, he will
test very well. He's a you know, two hundred and
fifty five pounds and he's going to run in the
four fours. And I think we had him in the
opener they played against West Virginia. West Virginia has a

(14:40):
really good offensive lineman, Wyatt Islam, who did a good
job when he was up against him, but everybody else
couldn't handle him. And I think he will be somebody
I think is going to be really hard to pass
up in the top five, whether it's a huge need
or not a need at all. I just think that
you just don't see that many guys who have his
traits and also have the film that he has. You'll

(15:04):
you'll occasionally see some really freaky athletes who are more
athlete than they are a player. I think he's both
of those things.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Though.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
Would you look at this year's draft class as particularly
at the QB position. Obviously a lot of people have
their opinions about where ranks compared to last year's draft class.
What do you think about some of the guys coming
out cam Ward Shador Sanders in particular.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I think cam is the most talented of the quarterbacks.
He has the bigger arm, he's a little more of
a dynamic athlete now he play. His decision making sometimes
can have people scratching their heads. With Shador, he played
behind a much worse offensive line. I think Shador is
really smart, he's accurate, his arm is good. I don't

(15:49):
think he's quite as athletic as cam Ward is. You know,
if you told me who had the better chance to
be in the first pick in the draft, I think
it's probably cam Ward Jackson Dhart.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Does he have a chance to pop into the first round?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
He does. I mean the things with him talking to
coaches who played him, he is really really tough. I mean,
you know, to a fault, he's pretty athletic. His arm
is good. I don't think there's except for maybe his toughness.
I'm not sure that there's anything that that scouts well
will really kind of rave about. But it's a bad

(16:22):
quarterback draft. I mean, you know, our draft analyst at
the Athletic Dame Brugler, had two guys in the top
fifty among quarterbacks, just two, and Shador was twenty fifth.
And you know there's other guys who Tyler Schuck from
Louisville is big, and he's pretty athletic, and he's got

(16:43):
a really live arm, but he's much older and he's
had injury issues. You have Jalen Milroe, who has a
big arm from Alabama. He's super fast, he's got some
a lot of wild plays on his film, but he
also is really inconsistent. And so I think you look
at this quarterback draft and there's a there's nobody who

(17:04):
you look at and go, man, that guy doesn't have
big concerns, And I could see this could be one
of those drafts where none of the quarterbacks look like
they're going to be like a Pro Bowl caliber player
down the road. It just I mean, it wouldn't surprise
me if one of those guys, especially certainly cam Ward,
ended up becoming a really good starter. But it also

(17:24):
wouldn't shock me if none of them ended up being that.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
Who's one of the guys this year that might get
drafted in the first round that we probably haven't heard about,
doesn't have the same notoriety that some of these other
guys that we just talked about might have. Do you
have a name out there that you might think, Hey,
this guy could pop for sure, And I could see
it happening.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah. Mike Green from Marshall. He started out at Virginia
and his coach at the time. Now he's no longer
that coach at Charles Huff is now the head coach
at Southern miss. But Huff had been at Penn State
as an assistant, been at Alabama. He knows what big
time players look like. And I remember him telling you
before the season, this guy is really really special. And

(18:04):
he was a Will Anderson at Alabama when he was
an assistant, and he's a little different, but he's really twitchy,
and you saw him be very disruptive and very impressive
in the All Star Games, you know whatever. A month
ago at the Senior Bowl. He's pretty like if you
told me he went in the top twenty, I would
not be surprised. And he's a guy most college football

(18:27):
evans like. He was on our Freaks list in the
beginning of the year. But I don't think most college
fans know much about him because he was at Marshall
and our crew at Fox we had a game against
Marshall was at Ohio State, and I know from talking
to the Ohio State coaches they were very concerned about
him because you watch him on film and he's pretty special.

(18:50):
I mean, he's he should be a top twenty pick
just based off of what he brings to the table
athletically and how twitchy he is.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
I was reading your Call Him on Saquon Barkley and
his origin story, and he seems like such a likable guy,
not just from your college, but also when he's like
pulling the ball guy over the fence at the parade,
and like you read a lot of stuff that he's
done to help the running back from the Giants who
went as a rookie this year. You know, he reached
out over DM and like worked with him. So has
Saquan always been a guy that people rooted for?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
I think so. He just has a really cool air
about him.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I remember doing a we did a feature on him,
and then like when I was working on it, this
is back when when he was at Penn State, at
some point I just said, you know, randomly, I was like, well,
you were always like the best player like in your area, right,
and you know, because it's not like he's from I mean,
the area's from is good football, but it's not like
it's cranking out Division IE players and four and five

(19:45):
star guys. And he goes, no, I actually wasn't I
was like, you weren't, and he was like, no, it
was this other guy. And he mentioned the kid's name
and I was like, where's that player now? And he
was like, oh, he's here and I was like, being,
here's here at Penn State? And then I asked somebody.
They're like, if he's here, he's not on the football team.
And turned out the guy was just a regular student
and Saquon was so humble. And I think that's the

(20:07):
thing you keep hearing over and over again is there's
like no no like entitlement to him everything. He just
has this really cool vibe about him that you know,
whether you know his backstory or not, whether you spend
a lot of time with them or not, you know,
you could sit across from him and just like, I
like this guy. You know kind of thing where there's

(20:29):
something very very natural about him. And I think so
the things you're talking about and with the ball boy
after the you know, at the at the victory parade
and all these other stories you kind of hear anecdotally,
I'm like, yeah, he's really easy to root for because
of because of just how he seems to be wired.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
Talking about another guy an next teaman in mine. Kellen Moore,
who you recently talked about on Your Eye I mean
on your podcast. Did you always envision that this was
the path that he was going to take when you
covered him at Boise.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, I didn't know if he'd be an NFL head
coach or a college head coach, but he was. So
It's funny like back in the day, like the combine
has changed a little in how it's run in the
last like five six years, but it used to be
they would put, you know, the guys projected first or
second or third round would get like the podiums like
the gms and the head coach do. And then the

(21:22):
guys who are like the afterthoughts at the combine, who
you are, late round picks. They get to sit at
the smaller tables and whoever they may be, by themselves,
you know, maybe you know in the in Kellen's case,
I knew him a little because I'd covered some of
his games, So I sat down and talked to him
for a while and was you know, I just had
always you know, we had some mutual friends. And now

(21:45):
I work with Chris Peterson, you know, his mentor, and
he's a guy you always like kind of was like, oh,
he's super smart. He obviously didn't have a big arm,
he wasn't super athletic or you know, the prototype physically,
but you know, coach's kids saw the game differently and everything.
And so at some point our kids, like my wife's

(22:06):
from Dallas and our son was at Cowboys football camp
when he was in second or third grade, and Kellen
was there because his son was roughly the same age.
So we spent the day together and just kind of reconnected.
Its first time i'd seen him in about ten years.
And he's also a guy who's really really down to earth,
and the coaches I know who've been around him all

(22:27):
say that it was cool for me to see. You know,
we'd visit him when he was in Ox start with
the Cowboys, and then the next year he and Dougnas Smeyer,
you know, his quarterbacks coach, went to the Chargers and
they were obviously that was the struggling years, right before
the head coach got fired, and you know he has
justin Herbert and then he goes to the Eagles and
then they really leaned into the run game, and it

(22:49):
was cool to see that evolution in the payoff and
you know in this regard, similar to t Saque, He's
Kellen's an easy guy to root for if you if
you've met him, because you think he's just a genuine,
like very humble, you know, like smaller coaches I know
have developed relationships with him, and it's like they think

(23:10):
it's cool that they're talking to an NFL offense coordinator
who has time to pick their brain. And so those
are guys you definitely, you know, find yourself pulling for.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I was looking at your freaks. Let's call him. And
you had Jeremiah Smith at number seven. Is he the
youngest highest ranked player you've ever had?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
He's not, because the guy who was number one this
year was also number one last year when he was
a true freshman. That's Nick Harber. And Nick Harber is
a elite, elite sprinter, but he's also six ' five,
two hundred and forty pounds and he was a bigger
recruit for Shane Beemer at South Carolina. And Nick Harber
is a solid player. But Jeremiah Smith is you know,

(23:48):
I think if he was in this draft, he would
be going first. If you have to see him in
person to realize how big he is, you know, he's
every bit of two hundred and twenty eight pounds and
six ' three plus, and he's more dynamic and explosive
than Marvin Harrison junior and quite a bit bigger and stronger.
And so to say that he's the best one that
Brian Hartline has had at Ohio State is a big

(24:10):
statement because we know who those receivers are. But the
guy is just really wired differently, and I know from
you know, meeting people close to him. This past season.
I did a big story for the Athletic on him.
He just has like an uncanny maturity and drive that
kids at that level almost never have at that position. So,

(24:33):
you know, lucky for the Buckeyes they're going to he
can't go to the NFL for two more years.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
I love the Freakslift List.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
I honestly read it and love seeing the background of
all these kids. How long does it take you to
put this list together? What's the criteria? And why haven't
Bobby and I have ever been on it?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Trod question? Good question.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
It is a good question. So I usually start kind
of compiling stuff around now, and then it picks up
speed after spring football, and you know, I've been doing
it for over twenty years now, and I think a
big part of it has been the relationship I've developed
with a lot of strength coaches, because those are the
guys who have been really the core of this. And
I get help from sids and some coaches I know certainly,

(25:13):
and now you know pro scouts. When I was on
first started doing sideline reporting, you know, I'd be on
the field hour and two hours before the game, and
that's when scouts are out there too, and so they
you know, you trying to share notes the Senior Bowl.
Steff Jim Nagge's people have been great resource and so
I love working on it. And you know, it's funny

(25:34):
just thinking back to like what you were looking for
and everything like this. And so if it's a player
who you know, like as you know with quarterbacks, there's
a lot of times where it's a multi sport guy,
he just happens to eventually settle at that position, right,
But you know there's certainly players who are like, Okay,
that's the guy everybody raves about inside the program. He

(25:56):
may not be the best football player, but that you know,
there's some freakish quality about him, and those that's how
the list started, and it's been really cool to see
how it's been received. Then it's something that like I
don't want to call it like a labor of love
because that implies it's like really really working, you know,
at it, But it's it's such a fun project because
I learned so much about it, and it's been neat
to see how people inside the NFL world have taken

(26:21):
notice for it. So I'm grateful that the fans fans
seem to like it.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
A final question, Chip Kelly going to the NFL. You
see any other college coaches on the horizon to make
that jump? Now, Chip's been back and forth, so it's
not like his first jump to the NFL, but that's
big news for him to leave that job he just
took in Ohio State and jump up again. Any other
college coaches you see and make that jump in the
next couple of years.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
It wouldn't shock me if Steve Sarkisian did, because, like
what you just said, Chip had been in the NFL,
and sark had been in the NFL as a as
an offense corner with the Falcons. He's a really good
offensive coach. You know, if they were to win a
national title with Arts this year, maybe that would be okay,
been there, done that, time to move on to the
NFL because you know, you know con you know, as

(27:06):
opposed to like where Bill Belichick is at right now.
I think for a lot of college coaches, I know,
you know, I'm gonna go to the Combine next week
and run into a lot of old college coaches who
do not miss college football at all. I'm not saying
NFL guys don't go back, but sometimes that's their best
option at that time to go do it. And I
just think it's such a grind where it's at. And

(27:27):
also you see guys like Jeff Hafley, really smart coach,
who did really well as Ryan Day's defensive coordinator, and
then he went to BC and I was like, oh,
he's going to kill it there, and he really struggled.
And then he went to the Packers this year and
has done really well, and it feels like he's like
one step away from getting an NFL head coaching job.

(27:47):
And you have more of an office, you have more
of a life in the you know, in the spring
and in the summer, whereas in the college it's just
a constant grind of just there's a lot of like
really screwy stuff that you're dealing with. I'm not saying
that the NFL is not easy to be a head

(28:07):
coach or even you know, a position coach or a coordinator.
But I just think it's like it's a different reality,
and I think it will be attractive. Like I could
see Sark. It wouldn't shock me if it's someday. Ryan
Day had, you know, decided hey, I want to go
back to the NFL because he'd been there with Chip
as an assistant. But I think one thing to keep
in mind now is like, you know, I work with

(28:28):
Urban Meyer. Urban had never been in the NFL. He
went to the Jaguars and it was a disaster. You know.
Steve Spurrier never been in the NFL, went to the
NFL as a disaster. Lou Holt same thing. Like when
you have guys who don't know that world and they
end up in it and they think they're going to
be like, you know, king king of the castle, they
are you know, in over their head and they don't

(28:48):
even know it until it's too late. And I think
that's why it's like, you know, I'm not surprised. Jim
Harball had a really good first season the Chargers because
he spent fifteen years there as as as a player,
and then he like did really well, took the forty
nine ers to the super Bowl pretty fast, Like he
knew what that's like. Most college guys they think they know,
but they don't unless they've actually been there.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
You guys can check out all Bruce's work Bruce Feldman
dot com and his podcast The Audible with Stu and Bruce.
The last episode, you guys were talking about Kellen Moore.
I think that was super interesting that people can dial
in on that if they want to hear more about that. Bruce,
thank you so much for the time. Follow Bruce on Twitter,
Bruce Feldman c FB and looking forward to seeing what
you have to write after the combine. That's my favorite

(29:32):
is when you're up there with those guys. So thank
you again for the time. We hope to see you soon.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
My pleasure.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Thank you guys. I say with you, I did not
know you were a big hip hop guy.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
Oh growing up, you know, I was in the San
Fernando Valley, LA.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
It was rap was it?

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Man?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Hip hop?

Speaker 6 (29:48):
Doctor Dre Snoop Dogg kind of grew up listening to
all those guys. But then my brother was big into
Wu Tang and I got into like Wu Tang, and
then it was like that East Coast West Coast Tupac Biggie.
I mean, you have the legends of the game that
were right before your eyes when you're growing up. And
so I was big into hip hop culture for sure.

(30:09):
Do you wear the clothes, don't kid yourself. I used
to have cross colors. Okay, I look like the biggest
idiot ever. I went to public school, would wear cross colors,
and you know those cross colors back in the day,
they had like the jeans with like a bugs bunny
on the.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Side and stuff like that. I thought I looked so tight.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
But then I looked back and I was like, what
was I wearing. I'm so glad that that has gone
out of style, the baggy jeans and all that stuff,
because you know, you do it as a kid because
you're influenced by everything that you see. But then you
look back and you go, gosh, we looked so stupid.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Your kids will have that though, just different different.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
Yeah, I'm okay with the tight tighter pants you mean now,
just generally speaking.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
When I was twenty four, I signed a record deal
as a hip hop artist. What was one artist name?
That's the part that's funny. Yes, So I want to
tell you the whole story about how it happened. So
I never really fancied myself a rapper, nor has any
rapper ever said they fancied anything. There's not only a

(31:09):
term rappers used to fancy themselves doing anything. But I
was pretty quick, and I liked to freestyle a little bit.
Mostly it was like funny poetry more than it felt
like rapping. And so I remember once my friend Eddie
had his guitar and he was not part of the
show yet. He did not become part of the show

(31:31):
to move to Nashville, but he was playing his guitar
and we were doing like a Bob Marley, you know,
no Woman, no Cry, and I was doing this wrapping
over the top of it, just goofing around. But we
had a guest that was coming in, and the guest
was a potential pop star named Carly Patterson who had
been an Olympic gold medalist for the United States. And
so they were turning these Olympic gold medalists when they

(31:54):
had their shine time if they could sing They wanted
to turn them into something to sell records, and so
she was out there with her record guy. I really
wasn't thinking about it, but he heard me rap over
this song, and so after we do the interview, he
thought I was trying to be a rapper, which I wasn't.
He was like, do you want to sing a rap
over on this song as I feature with Carly? Yeah?

(32:17):
And I was like, yeah, sure, why not? So I
signed a deal. I'll tell you the name in a minute,
and so so much anticipation right now. So I started
to just rap a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Locally.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
I was living in Austin, Texas. I think I was
voted the second best rapper in Austin, Texas. Come on
in the Austin Chronicle, which is their monthly music publication.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Not bad for somebody who really doesn't do it. Not
bad the second best rapper in Austin. It wasn't like
Atlanta or New York or LA.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
But but Houston's got a rap. I mean, Austin's not
even Austin, whatever it might be.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
So so number one I think it was a guy
named Franchise, and number two it was me Captain Caucasian
Captain Caucasian. I mean you dug deep for that one, huh?
Or not at all? I mean, you know, not at all.
I just picked the thing right on the notes that
made the most sense. Captain Caucasis Caucasian was on the
second best rapper in Austin, Texas probably two thousand and four,

(33:16):
two thousand and five. Wow, that was my brief fora
into hip hop. Did what about if I just gave
you a little beat? Could you bust me something? No,
because there's no way I could live up. And that's
that's a terrible beat on. It's awful. It's all only
go he plus beats. So yeah, Captain Caucasian was a
thing for a minute, but that is amazing. Every once
in a while he comes out, but never as Captain Caucasian. Never. No,

(33:39):
I never welcome Captain Caucasian.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
So you put that to bed pretty quick. I mean,
how long did you go? And actually you recorded something right?

Speaker 3 (33:46):
I did the song with her right, and so then
I was like, you know, I I know, we're not
really it's very brief. It's a very brief part of
my life.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
That is amazing part of your life though, that you
got something to do a rap music. I never would
have guessed that Captain Caucasian.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Thank you getting a jersey with that put on the Now,
I'd like to debut a new segment called Goat Story.

(34:26):
We do get to talk to a lot of really
cool people that probably have great stories being around or
playing with different goats of different games. Yes, so we're
going to start with you, and I love this, so
let's do goat Stories. You go first, What goat would
you like to tell a story about?

Speaker 6 (34:44):
I mean, the greatest goat I know that I played with,
obviously Tom Brady, so it's kind of hard to to
not go that direction. Great goat story. I mean, I
remember we're in this is my rookie year, and we're
playing Tampa Bay at home and this is to clinch
the division. And so we're about quarter in the game.

(35:06):
He comes off and he's standing up on the sideline.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
I see him. He starts wincing like and I was like,
what is going on with this guy right now?

Speaker 6 (35:14):
And I said, tell me okay. He's like, yeah, I
just got a lot of pain down low plus very short.
We ended up winning that game, but we go into
the locker room. His locker's next to me and we're
getting you know, we're getting undressed, and he's like, oh
my god. His left testicle was the size of a grapefruit.
It looked like a helmet it was. So he had
a sports herneia and that's why he was wincing on

(35:36):
the sideline. And this thing was blown up like a balloon, dude.
And I was like, oh my god. I went and
got the trainer. Trainer comes in, They go in and
I don't know what the heck they had to do,
but he had a sports hernea that had opened up
and was leaking fluid down into that area.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
So I was like, this is right before we're about
to start playoffs.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
So I'm like, what is going to go on with this?

Speaker 6 (35:57):
So he either can have it surgically repaired or he
has to wait if he can manage the pain, and
they would have to drain the thing. Right, So he's
sitting there and he goes and he practices with Obviously
they were being very cautious throughout the week, but we
go in and he goes and plays in the playoffs.

(36:19):
Now I was like, what are you going to do
about this? And all he said was I'm going to
put on two jockstraps. So we went in and played
in the playoffs, and this guy has a severe tear
and a hernia that could possibly lead to some serious complications,
but he goes out and balls out in the first round.
I think we lost to Denver. That was the game

(36:40):
that Jake Plumber and those guys. They ended up beating
us in Denver that year, my rookie year. But at
the same time, just watching him go through that and
then also understanding that he wasn't going to come off
the field regardless of the situation, I was like, dude,
you're a pretty badass guy.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Does that go on to injury report if you have
a sports hernia?

Speaker 6 (37:03):
I would think that they would have to, well all
days they do. Back then, you could put anything on it,
Like Tom Brady was on the injury report for fifteen
years with a shoulder, Like they just put him on
every week for whatever reason. I don't understand why. But
then everything's changed. You have to now send in the
injury report early. You can get fined, you can do

(37:24):
have all these different penalties that are associated with not
reporting injuries.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
And I'm not saying this being funny, but this test
school was so large you could see it just sitting
next to him. It was already black and blue. Oh
my god, like that hurt's thinking of it.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
Yeah, guys, like if you when I tell that story,
everybody's like, oh what.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I was like, yeah, yeah, pretty wild. That's a goat.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
Yeah, that's a goat right there, and just manned up
and said, I'll double jockstrap it.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
We're good boys. And having to run lopside it a
little bit too, yeah, because all that's not the same. Yeah,
and you have.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
To drop back, like you, that's all you do is
drop back, you get hit, whatever it might be.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
You're feeling that thing NonStop. So I looked it up.
A sports hernia, also called an athletic pubalgia, a soft
tissue injury in the groin or lower abdomen, typically caused
by repetitive twisting, cutting, or explosive movements common in sports
like football, hockey, and soccer, and involves tears restraints in
the muscles, tendons, or ligaments in the lower abdominal wall

(38:23):
or groin, sharp groin pain, which worsens with activity. Yeah.
It doesn't heal on its own easily, and severe cases
may require surgery to repair the tissue. If someone suspect
they have a sports hernia, they should see a doctor,
and it's often misdiagnosed as a groin strain. So he
played with that.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
He played with that for for the next three weeks,
like that was week fifteen, I think going into sixteen,
he played the first quarter against Miami, which was a
use pointless game because we had already clinched, and so
then he went into playoffs.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
We beat the drama out of I.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
Think it was the Jets that year, and then went
to Denver and lost in Denver. But I mean, it
was wild to see him go through that and then
at the same time just act like nothing was happening.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
He was one of the toughest SLBs I've ever been around.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
How do you get better as a backup? It's a
good question.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
I mean, the toughest challenge for any backup is that
you don't get the reps during the regular season, So
you have to take advantage of when you get into
camp in the offseason because you're rotated in you're gonna
get a fair share of reps. When I say fair share,
it's still weighted toward the starter, especially as season starts
to ramp up. But you get a ton of reps,

(39:35):
and then you're also playing in those preseason games, a
majority of those preseason games, so you have to take
advantage of that now. As soon as you get in
the season, though you basically are down to maybe a
rep here. They might throw you a bone here or there,
but you're going over doing nine on seven drills, which
is a run drill, and so you'll go and do
the run droll while the starting quarterbacks usually throwing routes

(39:57):
on air and all that stuff. And then the hardest
thing I believe for most backup quarterbacks is because you
run scout team. The scout team is you're basically giving
a look of the opposing offense's plays and they're drawn
up each and every day. But a lot of times
they want you to throw the ball to a particular area.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
They want you to.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
Challenge a certain corner or get this safety to make
sure he's over the top.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
So you're going to throw it regardless of in your mind.

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Half the time you're sitting there going I'd never throw
that ball looking at this defense, but they want you
to do that to get them the rep and to
make sure that they're in the right position.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
So you have to guard yourself against that because you.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
Can create bad habits, right forcing the ball, fitting balls
into windows that normally you wouldn't, or not really going
through a progression like you would normally because they want
you to throw it to a particular area. So you've
got to challenge yourself and understand, like, look, you're just
giving them a look for what they need to see.
But then when you get into those team periods, it's

(40:53):
so important for every backup and I would do it.
I would try to call the play because we'd call
the plays in like we were in a game, and
so I try to call the play out loud, look
at make sure that I make the appropriate mike point,
and then I'm going through the progression. But it's more
of you doing those mental reps, and that's the challenging part.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
Sometimes when you see.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
Guys midway through the year come in and all of
a sudden they struggle the first few weeks, Well, they're.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Just now getting time on task. Again.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
With these guys, you're in and out of the huddle,
and there is no substitute for game speed, right, you
can't simulate that in practice, and so when you get
on the field, in those circumstances.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
A lot of times it's like it's a wake up
call once again.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
Everything is at a whole other level than what you've
experienced before.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
So it is a challenge.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
But I think the best backups one are guys that
have had some experience playing because they're not too.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Overwhelmed by the moment.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
And then number two are guys that can put in
extra work.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
And by that, I mean you have to.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Study that much harder, I feel like as a backup,
because you've got to really know what the game plan is,
what your checks are, and be able to operate at
that level when you get in the game or if
you get in the game.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Is there a staying after school element to it where
you can stay after practice and work on things with
some of the other players as a backup, or is
it over when it's over in the day. No.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
Normally, after practice you get some time in between the
end of practice going in, you can get treatment, a
lot guys shower, some guys will even get a work out,
and so you get like that forty five minute to
an hour, and a lot of times i'd keep the
young guys practice squad players and stuff like that just
to work on certain routes, just to continue to work
your footwork your rhythm, because you don't always.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Get those reps during practice.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
In addition to that, there's sometimes where there's guys like
the tight end room, they want to catch some extra
balls or something like that, and they'll ask you to
come throw to them, which is valuable reps in itself
to be able to get reps with guys that are
going to be playing.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
One other question about this before I go to my
goat story, But if you're the backup, how much does
the starting quarterback depend on you? And I'm sure it's
different in every relationship. And is it ever not a
great relationship where somebody feels threatened by the backup?

Speaker 6 (43:06):
I believe there's a lot of those circumstances where a
young guy comes in and it's all about the temperament
and the personality of the guy coming in. And when
I say that, it's is this guy going to come
in and he's immediately going to make you feel threatened
and like kind of standoffish, not want to be part
of the group, be above the group, you know what
I mean? There's always that certain type of dynamic. There's

(43:28):
not always that certain type of dynamic. But there is
that especially when you bring a young guy in.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Now.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
I've been blessed everywhere that I've been that the guys
understand the room. We spend so much time with each
other that as long as you guys are a cohesive
group and you're all cheering for one another, we're not
competing against one another. You're when you're competing, you're competing
to be the best that you can be out on
the field when you get your opportunity. But when the
other guy's in, look, you want to see him do well.
You don't want to see him go out there and fail.

(43:54):
And I was lucky because I went to a situation
when I got to New England with Tom Brady. He's
not threatened by some seventh round dud. He just came
off his third Super Bowl in four years. So it
made it for such an easy transition. And he was
so cool and was a mentor to me. I got there.
He asked me if I wanted to become his workout partner.
We started working out together, pushing each other, and so

(44:15):
that dynamic was outstanding. And so it's always there's a
happy happy or a fine line.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I should say between.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
Guys that want to take your job and go about
it that way and have a little bit of an
ego involved, versus guys that are just like, Hey, if
I get my opportunity, I'm going to go out there
and try to ball out to the best of my ability.
But when you're out there, I'm your boy, dude, I
got your back. I'm going to be your biggest cheerleader,
so to speak.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Dan, That's cool. My goat story would be I spent
a lot of time with Ryan Seacrest. He's basically a
Tom Brady of the broadcasting yeahs of our generation. He
is the greatest, right. I think every decade or so
you have the Casey Kasem's or that you can go
down the line the very famous broadcasters. And I spent
four years on American Idol and they brought me in

(45:05):
and I think it was weird at first, as for
two reasons. One, Ryan had started doing Ryan and Kelly,
which was Regis and Kelly, and then Ryan takes that
job and it was Ryan and Kelly after Michael and Kelly.
Just so we have all the names. It was Regis
and Kelly, then it was Michael Strayan and Kelly. Then

(45:25):
it was Ryan and Kelly, and so Ryan was living
in New York a lot and having to fly back
to LA to do idol. So they bring me in
in case one Ryan gets sick or couldn't be there,
and two, I think partially in case he did not
resign a contract got it. So it was if he
doesn't re sign, we'll just go to Ryan junior varsity, which.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
Was me, not junior varsity. Bro, you've already made it.
If they contracted you to come in stop.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
And they did contract me, and I know it was
a bit awkward maybe for him. At first. For me,
I was just Niven dumb and I was just like,
let's go. I'm gonna be on American Idol. And they
brought me in at first to just mentor the contestants
on the basic stuff. But then I started to get
more and more camera time because I was talking about
like life with them and they had similar stories that
I did, like it, never been to a big city, had,

(46:11):
you know, come from certain backgrounds. And so then they
started to put me in places where when Ryan couldn't
get back from New York to LA, they would go, hey,
go do this in the crowd. This is what Ryan
normally does in there. So then I was doing that
and filling in more and more unbeknownst to me. As
I was told, it started to get a little awkward
because he was still going through a contract negotiation. And

(46:32):
I have the greatest respect for Ryan. He's always been
awesome to me. I didn't know this was a factor
at all. So he was a cool dad though. So
you guys got along, We got along great. I did
not know that this was an element at play, right,
So they bring me in in the first year that
I'm on the show. They pay me union minimum, which

(46:53):
is like two thousand dollars an episode, And they had
no idea that I was flying in from Nashville, so
I was losing money, oh Man to come in and shoot.
But I didn't want to be a problem, right, So
if I'm like, no, I'm staying at a hotel. I
need hotel, I need airfare. My job was in my mind,
get there, impress them, show them that I'm reliable and
I'm also really good in that order that they're gonna

(47:14):
want to extend me. And so they did, and my
contract for the next three years after that was seven
figures every year. So I lost money year one, but
for the next three years it's in the show. It
was over million dollars every year and it went up.
It was awesome, right, Yeah, So I learned of the
dynamic from the producers and they're like, you know, Ryan's

(47:35):
in negotiation. Ryan got sick. There's only ever been one
guest host of American Idol. It was me. So Ryan
gets really of all the years there's been one guest host. Yeah,
and you are. I'm in knuckles, knuckles, you got it, knuckles.
So Ryan and season one that they had two different
hosts but of the same show that he left and
then it was just Ryan. So Ryan gets sick. They

(47:56):
called me like thirty minutes before the show's on. They're like, hey,
we got to take you from mentoring and you need
to go down and host the show. And it's not
bigger than me, but there's thirty minutes. I need to
know like stage direction more than I need to know
how to host, like camera, yeah, where not to walk into.
There's a lot of celebrity guests and stuff that are
coming in. And so we're five minutes out from the

(48:20):
show and I remember looking upt the big American Idol
sign and I was like, dang, it's legit, Like I'm
gonna do this, It's gonna be super cool. I go on,
I give myself an A minus. I kind of crushed. Crushed, yeah,
because the moment wasn't too big for me, right, So
get off stage and feeling pretty good, they give me
these big things of flowers. Are like, man, thank you.

(48:41):
Filled in thirty minutes whatever. I go to bed. I
wake up the next morning, I'm doing my radio show
and Ryan sends me a massive box with a pair
of and I know shoes with a pair of Jordan's
like Jordan One's that were about one thousand dollars and
they said, hey, thanks for filling my shoes last night.
And I was like, that's super cool. And Ryan I
had spent in real time together just briefly, briefly, but briefly. Yeah,

(49:02):
So I thought that was super cool because I started
to feel a little weird about filling and again, that's
his show. That's amazing though. So we finished that season
and in passing we would see each other, but it
was very quick. He'd come in, I'd be flying out.
We do the live show and get out. We finally
the next season we go to Hawaii at the beginning
of every year to do the Hawaii version at the

(49:23):
like Disney Hawaiian Hotel, Disney, you know, owned American Idol
and that Hawaiian part. You really can't go anywhere. You're
trapped out there for four or five days. And I'm
sitting down by the beach and Ryan comes up and
he's like, hey, man, I know we haven't really got
a lot of time to talk. He was like, but
I want to make sure that because I know you're

(49:44):
starting to make really good money now. I want to
make sure you're taking care of financially, like I want
to get you with the right money. People like that
was that was his way of going, Hey, I want
to look out for you, and you're going to have
a lot of weird things, and I know that this
money is kind of new, but I want to make
sure you know what you're doing with money. And I

(50:04):
thought that was the cool list thing to do, so cool,
like the shoes, that's fun and super neat, But for
somebody to come up and go, hey, let me make
sure you're not getting taken advantage of, right, Like, I
thought that was super legit, especially in that industry.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Right, dude.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
It is so cut I mean it's like yours. It's
so cutthroats, and everybody is out to get everybody.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
Everybody's got their hand.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Out, and for him to come and do that and go,
I want to make sure you're taken care of. I
thought that was super cool.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
That is a goat moat, a guy that's super secure,
knows he's the best and just wants to make sure
that whomever else it's after him doesn't get taken advantage
of and possibly ways.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
That he was early on right, pass it forward, right?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
So that was that's my goat story.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
That's a pretty cool story right there. And you still
have the.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Jordans I do.

Speaker 8 (50:50):
Yeah, the best one.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Let's do best sports movies of all time? Best sports
movies of all time.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
I love this category.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Five you want to go, you can go first. If
you want to go five to one? Do you have
them already in your head?

Speaker 6 (51:19):
I do, but I don't know if I can go
five to one versus just give you my five top
I mean number one. I'm gonna starry at one, okay,
go the natural baseball I was a big baseball guy
growing up and all that stuff, and the natural Robert
Redfern that, you know, hitting it into the lights and
the explosion at the end, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
One. I've never seen The Natural, Are you serious?

Speaker 5 (51:43):
I mean, Captain Caucasian has been out on the ones
and twos, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
So I've never seen The Natural. And I'm a massive
baseball fan, but I've never seen The Net.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
That is one of the greatest baseball movie. It is
to me, the greatest baseball movie of all time. Okay,
so The Natural Bullderm is number two because I think
it really is genuinely depicts.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Like minor league baseball. Both my brothers played it.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
But growing up watch that show and then going and
seeing them and these different cities. It's an awesome movie.
I love love that movie. Number three, I'm gonna go
with Remember the Titans. I mean, I really like Remember
the Titans. I thought it was an outstanding movie, inspirational
as well. Number four, I'm gonna go with The Miracle.

(52:27):
The Miracles outstanding.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
The movie's good. I've just heard real life what really happened?
I know, well, I don't want to hear that.

Speaker 6 (52:33):
I watched the movie and I felt good about it
when I left. Good point and it was really well done.
And obviously the Americans versus the Russians, the Cold War,
everything else going on. And number five, I gotta go
with Hoosiers. Hoosiers is like one of the all time
great just sports movies.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
In general, I liked Miracle a lot. Did you see
half the movies that I just said? Yeah, I've seen Miracle.
The thing is, they really focused on that Russia game
when we still had Sweden to play after, Like that
was right, right? And then secondly, I've been whispered to
that there was some gambling involved in that Russian.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Oh oh, your KGB friends came over and told you.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
I have no friends, but you know, I've had some
people whisper to me that that's probably why Russia did
not play as well. Really, yeah, like people that I trust.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
I don't mean to pivot from this conversation, but did
you see any of the highlights from the USA Canada game?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
It was awesome. The first ten seconds I was like, dude,
this is amazing. I don't even watch hockey. This was
why I watch hockey. Well, I don't even watch hockey,
and I watched it because it gave me something to
root for, like a home.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
It was Pride, which is different than the All Star
Game where it's like Chuck versus Shack. What do I
give a crap? Yeah, I could care less.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
Yeah right, I just want to see these incredible athletes
go out and put on a performance, which they did.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
But that right off the get go the national anthem,
the national anthem. I love it because it was done
in a sports way, right, meaning if I were if
let's say Arkansas and USC were playing and you played
the USC song before the boo. It was done as
that I felt like more than anything else for sure,
like two teams playing. So yeah, I loved it. Yeah,

(54:19):
And I don't even I don't even know, I have
no hockey knowledge. I still thought it was super cool.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
And the two guys that got off got right into
it right off the jump were two brothers.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Brothers.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
Yeah, and their dad played and they had some clip
from him way back in the day that it set
off the same thing when he played like a full
fist fight. I was like, this is legendary right now.
I don't mean to interrupt, but I did have to
bring that up.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
You interrupted nothing Number five for me. See, our lists
are a bit different because I have Talladega Nights at
number five. I was gonna say, where are we going?
This are we going? Because there are comedies out there.
I love Talladega Knights, and whenever I came up with
my list, there were two I couldn't keep out and
they were comedies. But I have Talladega Knights at five.
Love it. I have Remembered the Titans at four. H

(55:02):
I have water Boy at three. Water Boy, I mean,
is that a Bobby bo Awesome?

Speaker 5 (55:09):
I mean it's so good.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I love water Boy. I have Rocky for it too. Oh,
Rocky four. Rocky should have been probably up there, and
I enjoyed most of the Rockies, but Rocky four to
me growing up as a kid born in the eighties,
and he was a Russian and it was like he
was the guy with all the fancy drugs and equipment.

(55:31):
Rockies just out there. Beaten chickens, I mean I related
to that, Yeah, beaten chickens.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
And then at the same time, I mean, could anybody
take the punishment.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
That Rocky did realistically? I mean he got pummeled for
how many rounds.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
And his buddy got killed at the beginning of it.
Spoiler alert, spoiler everybody Apollo, Creed goes Down Earlybody Goes
Down Dies. That was pretty disappointed. It's pretty diappointing. And
the number one was The Sandlot.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Sandlot, great movie. I watched that with the boys just
a little while ago.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
They still they love it. It holds up, it holds up,
holds true.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
I mean, just that little group of boys, and then
and then the different dynamics that they had, I mean,
what is it Rodriguez was their stud Was that their
stud hitter?

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Benny the jet, Benny.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
The Jet, Yeah yeah, Benny the Jet. And then also
they had to go get the ball from the beast.
I mean that whole the whole thing was amazing.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
So you kind of went, you went a little bit
of comedy, which I get. And then the Sandlot itself
is an outstanding movie, especially for us growing up the youth.
From a youth standpoint, I just remember that movie being
all time great.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Almost pick Rookie of the Year. The Rookie of the Year,
Oh yeah, Henry Royan Gardner the Cubs. Yes, that was
why I'm massive Cubs fan. So I almost picked Rookie
of the Year, But then I haven't really watched any
of these back. Maybe Rocky four I've seen more than once. Nah,
probably water Boy. But I don't like to watch movies normally.
I watched them once, identify that I love them, and
then never watch them again.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
You know, I'm getting to the age now that I'm
starting to recycle some of these movies because you've watched
them a long time ago, but now the kids are
getting old enough to where you can watch them with
your kids and it's like, oh, it's a little bit
nostalgic for you, and you sit there like we we
watched Little Giants, right.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Oh, that was awesome. Annexation to Puerto ricoation. Oh no,
the toilet paper running through all.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Gotta envision him catching toilet paper.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
You know what I mean? Like that, that's a good one.
That was a great movie.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
But watching those back, because I haven't watched those since
I was a kid, But then to come back, it
still holds like it's weight today and you're sitting there
watching with your kids, and your kids are fascinatedbody and
they're like and obviously from a film standpoint, it's much
different watching it.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
It looks like it's from the nineteen nineties or the
early two thousands and now. But these kids they sit
there and they're mesmerized by it and they're like, this
is great movie.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
You ever Al Bundy was a bad coach, yes, and
he played a good one. Little Shop of Horrors was
a good coach. What was his name? Oh God, feed
me Seymour. It was the same guy. He's Canadian.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
The fact that you knew he was, well, he.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Did it so like his wife died and he disappeared
just to raise his kids for like fifteen years. Rick
moranis honey, I shrunk the kids.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Yes, honey, that was gat movie.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Same guy, Yeah, same guy. Okay, So it's interesting what
you said earlier. I was thinking about this, how you
don't have any of your Cowboys stuff. That's America's team.
So when I went on to find this jersey, I
was just gonna give you this. I got a game
issue jersey. They gave you really, yeah, cap in the bag.

(58:35):
This is a game issue jersey. Come on, what are
the chances that I swear? That's the weirdest thing because
when you said that, I literally bought that to give
to you because I didn't know what you had from
the Cowboys, and I saw it with like a dealer
had it open, like pull it out. This was in
your locker. You didn't wear it, but they issued multiple jerseys.

(58:57):
I swear to god the weird I know. When you
said that, I was like, what in the world? So
that is? That is sick?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I really appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
I mean, are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (59:11):
That's pretty cool? Huh. I really do appreciate it. This
is the one. It's the when he said that, that's
the weirdest thing because I literally bought it to give
to you because I was a real jersey. And when
you said that, I was like, dude, this is bizarre.
That's wild. It is bizarre.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
And I was when you just said that, I was like,
no way. And then you just brought this out.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Dude, that is amazing. You gotta put it on the
match your headphones. Your wife was off first. The water
is gonna get caught in the jersey, Like I got
my helmet on it. That didn't that's not gonna work.
Oh yeah, d I forgot how these things were. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(59:54):
there you go. I mean, what a thought Look at
this guy, what a thoughtful gift. So explain to me
what happened. So they put jerseys in your locker and
you don't use some of them.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Well, mine, we're probably clean most of the time.

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
Well, I don't know if we don't use them or what,
but I know that I I started I think six
games that year, so I mean it got messed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Up a little bit. But this looks that's clean.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Yeah. They must have saved this just in case I
ripped my jersey or something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
That is what it is. This is sick. I mean,
we got rocking the sixteen Cowboys. Now you have it,
Now you have it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
We got double sixteen today. Feeling pretty good about this.
Come on, check this out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
We don't look good. He looked great. Boys. Oh tell me, Bobby,
who would you rather start for you today? Matt Castle
Patriots and Matt Castle Cowboys Patriots definitely go with the
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we're why sixteenth.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
By the way, Honestly, yeah, walked into the locker room
my rookie year and they said you're number sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I said, right, great, love it al rocket, all right,
we're in. Wasn't too much thought process behind it from
a pair of sixteens. We'll see you guys next week.
I'm lots to say bye.

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