April 3, 2025 • 34 mins
In this bonus episode of The Official Yellowstone Podcast, Bobby Bones hosts a lively round of Yellowstone trivia with two super fans, Brittany and Jennifer, who compete for a DVD/Blu-ray copy of Season 5 Part 2 and a signed copy of Bobby’s book. Play along and see how your knowledge stacks up.
Then, Bobby dives deep into the heart of the Dutton universe to unpack one of the show’s biggest questions: Who was the real villain of Yellowstone? From Jamie and Beth to Market Equities and the legacy-obsessed system itself, no one is off-limits in this sharp, thoughtful breakdown of the series' most complex characters and themes. An entertaining and insightful ride for die-hard fans and new viewers alike.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey guys, welcome to the final episode of the Official
Yellowstone Podcast. I am and have been your host Bobby Bones.
On this episode, I'm gonna walk you through the villains
of this show, some of them you may not even
think of as villains, and then I will let you
know who I think the true villain of Yellowstone was.
Was it Chief Rainwater, Jamie Dutton, Beth Dutton, maybe John?
(00:32):
Maybe it was John Dutton. Yeah, I'll explain. But first,
what we're gonna do is give a couple people a
chance to win some prizes. We have some cool Yellowstone
prizes and so we're gonna do some Yellowstone trivia and
if you're listening now, you should play along and see
how many of you get. Some of them super easy,
some of them a little harder. And our players are
Jennifer and Brittany and they're on now. We'll talk to
them in a second. Now, if you're jealous of Jennifer
(00:55):
and Brittany for winning this awesome Yellowstone gift that you're
about to hear about, you can also enter for a
chance to win. You can go to Amazon. You can
pre order the package and includes a DVD and a
Blu ray package. Including three new featurettes. But we'll put
the link in the show notes, you know when you go,
and it has all the writing about the description, so
you can click the link and that's for your shot
(01:15):
to win if you don't want to buy it. So
I love games, I love Yellowstone. Let's start with that first. Okay, Brittany, Yes,
how are you doing? It's Bobby here, I'm good. How
are you doing? Really good? So we're gonna do a
(01:36):
little Yellowstone trivia here and if you win, but you
have to get five out of seven. If you win,
you're gonna get a whole DVD collection of Yellowstone. It's
got a whole bunch of cool stuff in it. And
I'll send you a signed book for me. I'll send
you a bare bones my book, and you know, we'll
just talk Yellowstone for a second. I'm imagining that you
have watched Yellowstone.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I sure have huge Yellowstone fan, huge Bobby Punch show fans.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Thank you, thank you very much. Can you give me
your favorite and least favorite character on Yellowstone? This is
your past. See if you get in.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Favorite Beth Detton one hundred percent, least favorite Jamie.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's funny, that's that's yeah. What about Beth do you like? What?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Don't her attitude? I feel like I want to be Beth.
I feel like every girl wants to be Beth.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Can I cuss on this?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You can.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
She's a badass, but she has a big heart too.
She cares about her family. She's just who every girl
wants to be.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I think.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And so you said your least favorite was Jamie. Yes,
didn't you feel though a little bit she was mean
to him, like like a little excessive at times.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Definitely excessive. There were some times that I felt bad
for Jamie, and then other times I felt like she
definitely had it coming.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Okay, I can co sign that. I feel like Jamie
kind of got a raw deal at times because he
didn't know John wasn't his dad. John took care of him,
and Jamie was trying to fit in with the other
two siblings and be a siblings, So that created a
lot you know, you know, we know, but I felt
absolutely Okay, I felt that's a little heart on him
at times. But I hear you, Okay. So here's what
we're gonna do. I'm going to ask you seven Yellowstone questions.
(03:02):
If you get five of them right, you will win
the prize. Okay, okay? And where do you live? Where
you at? Where are at right now?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I live outside Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
In like one of the suburbs.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, like thirty minutes east of Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Does that mean you're a Cowboys fan or a rancher
one of the two.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
My husband would be really mad if I did Jay
that I wasn't a Cowboys fan. My dad's from Buffalo,
so I'm actually a big Buffalo's Bill fan as well.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
No, that's fair, like the Cowboys too.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah. No, if your dad's a Buffalo fan, you have
to be a Buffalo fan, okay. And the Cowboys they're terrible,
so you're all good. All right, here we go. Question
number one. Oh this, we just talked about this. So
which character found out they were adopted in season three?
Jamie correct boom one number two? Who plays Travis in Yellowstone?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Uh, Taylor Sheridan.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Great job, that was elite. Good job by you, because
I don't know. I never remember anybody's names from shows
unless they're just beating it in my head a thousand times,
So I think i'd have been like Travis okay, heck
of a horse rider is old? Travis Okay? Next up,
where did Beth and Rip get married.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Out on their property?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I'll accept it their ranch is correct? Which Yellowstone actress
won a Daytime Emmy Award for their role and a
soap opera, the one called As the World Turns? Oh
my gosh, I'll ask it again. What's Yellowstone? Actress won
a Daytime Emmy Award not for Yellowstone, but for their
work and the soap opera As the World Turns?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The senator, Well, you're asking me a question I didn't answer.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Do I have to say their actual name?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know? If you just guess who it is and
you say that's my answer, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Senator. That's the best I got.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That is incorrect. You're still good, though. That's Jen Landon
who played Teeter.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Oh I did not know that, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Next up? Who was Rip's best man at his wedding?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
The old guy, the old guy that he worked with
for so long. And of course I'm blinking on his name,
and I remember Travis's name. Uh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
The old man.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I'm gonna give you five seconds to think of the
old The old man has a name. Oh my gosh,
you're gonna kick You're gonna kick yourself time. I know, yeah,
you're gonna kick yourself. The answer is Lloyd Lloyd. Oh
my god, I know. Okay, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Your work or what I'm at home? I I'm a
home health sales rep. So I'm currently at home.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So you're probably like watching your computer and making sure
it's all safe. No, home health is like on fire.
So you forgot Lloyd's name? You know that's there?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You go exactly, exactly, you.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Got to get these two right. Here we go. What
Dunton family member becomes an attorney?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Jamie correct?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
One final question. It all comes down to this. What
actor also serves as an executive producer for the show?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Taylor Sheridan?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You know what, I'm gonna have to let that count
because more than one gus Taylor Sheridan. Okay, what primary
actor serves as executive producer as well?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Was it Kevin cost It is?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You got both of them because I can't because obviously
it's Taylor Shardank He's the creator of the show. But yes,
it's you got it twice, So you are a winner. Brittany,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So what does a home health rep do?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
What are you selling? How do you sell health?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So I'm mostly in silling to social workers and case
managers at hospitals and people that are discharging going home
from the hospital who are going to need nursing services
or physical therapy. We just sell our home health services
to those people and help get them set up so
their transition from the hospital is lot smoother.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's cool. How about this question, which Taylor sharedan show
other than Yellowstone, is like your other favorite landman? Yeah?
That's good.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I love a landman.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
He have so many good ones right now, it's hard
to choose, though.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I know I really loved Lions like a plus, I
feel like it's.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
His world now we're all just living in it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, we're going to send you this and thank you
so much for playing the game, and thanks for listening.
And we're gonna put you on hold to make sure
we have your information.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Okay, awesome, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
All right, good to talk to you, Jennifer. Bobby. How's
(08:15):
your day going?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Hey, Bobby, it's gone great.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
How are you pretty good? Where do you live?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm in just north of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Pa. Now this is the official Yellowstone podcast. Do you
and have you ever watched Yellowstone? Yes? I watched it
all perfect, me too, So well, let me ask you
a couple questions about it. Then that aren't part of
the game we're gonna play. So who is your favorite
character not named John Dutton?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh, I'd have to go with Beth.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
See. The interesting thing about Beth is at times she's
like the anti hero because oh yeah, like you don't
like her, but you love her type thing. What about
Beth resonated the most with you?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
She doesn't take from anyone, That's true. I love that
about her.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Do you feel like that's the kind of person you are,
that's the kind of person you would like to be?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
You know sometimes that's me, but definitely would like to
be that person more often.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, she had a legit car too, Like she was
like gritty but also really rich, so like the really
rich stuff looked gritty, and I didn't feel like she
was too cool for school or like too rich. Like
you still related to her, but you're also like, man,
that's a full car.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
So I mean, I would rip is definitely a close second.
I just need to say that.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Do you think that's because they ended up together, and
so you made you like him more? Or do you
think just even alone, that character to you was awesome
just alone?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
I would say he started out as my favorite and
Beth kind of merged in there and won me over, and.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Rip still stayed there the close first.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But what about like all three of the kids, so
John's dad, you get Yeah? So which Casey Beth? Which
of the kids? I don't want to lead you anywhere.
Which are the kids? Did you like the least?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh? Jamie?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Now, did you have a love hate or did you
just hate at the end?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Hate, I mean get hate.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
See.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think where I struggled about him at the end?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, I said, I think where I struggled was I
feel like Jamie wasn't in a small spoiler if you
haven't watched Yellowstone, which I assume if you're listening to
this you do, since he wasn't, you know, a biological,
full biological child like the other two, right, I feel
(10:34):
like he was always like fighting to be more, which
made him make decisions that at times would look to
us like not the right decision to make. But I
think it was always coming from a place of inadequacy.
Or insecurity, so I kind of gave him a pass.
But those final seasons, some bad stuff happened. But even
(10:55):
like when Jamie's real dad came back, like I kind
of felt bad for him because his real dad was
still a loser.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree completely he you know,
but he just to me, he was he took it
too far at the end, and that just then that
turned me to you know.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Dislike completely understand. We had Gil on Gill Birmingham, who
played Chief Rainwater in a previous episode. What was so
interesting to me about Gil was there were times where
I loved him. There were times where I felt like
he was the enemy. There were times that was like,
he's good to have you on the team. Like, yeah,
even Jamie kind of the same way. Like there are multiple,
multiple levels to some of these characters, and I think
(11:32):
that's what makes the show so good. Did you have
that relationship with Chief Rainwater two where at times you're
like I don't like this guy at all, but then
you're like, man, I'm kind of glad he's back on the.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Team all the time.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
And I mean the ending of course, then I mean
a spoiler alert and would assume you've seen it, but
I mean the ending was just so perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It just made you love him even more.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, like he always his intentions were always pure, even
if you didn't like him, And I think that's what
the show ended up showing about Chief Rainwater too, Like
his intentions were always there even if you disagreed with them,
or even if you only got like one version of them,
because right we were seeing the perspective of not him.
He was a side character that was like kind of
the bad guy for a while.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It was so cool too that to hear his story
because he talked about how he was a bodybuilder and
like he's working on a gym, and you know, that's
how he got they discovered basically because he was like
an engineer but was also lifting weights and next thing,
you know, he's Chief Rainwater. So okay, look, here's the thing, Jennifer.
I want to give you a chance to want the
prize here. So it's a couple of different things. So
(12:31):
first of all, I wanted to give something TANGI Yellowstone
tangible away so even if you don't use it, it's
a pretty cool thing here. So eleven point four million
viewers watched Yellowstone season five part two, which was you know,
they split the last season into two, and we're going
to do the whole thing. It's a three disc set.
It's you know, part of the season five. It's ten featurettes, DVD,
(12:55):
blu rays, moments from Yellowstone past and present, a lot
of speci features. So we're gonna do this, and if
you win this game, you'll win that. And I'll also
send you a signed book of mine because you seem
like a really last person and I got a bunch
of books here and I just want to sign one
and mail one to you. Okay, Yeah, but you have
to get five out of seven rights.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Okay, I have to win.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, and I think you're gonna win because some of
these are so down the middle. For example, who plays
John Dutton on Yellowstone? This is number one here at
Kevin Costner's correct. See you're already in Costner or Cosner. Listen,
it is not Cosner, and you know that. And Eddie
does not know that because like Kevin Cosner, not his name. Yes,
(13:40):
that's funny, Good job, good job. Okay, we got one right.
Number two a little tougher. What year did Yellowstone premiere
on Paramount Network?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Think I know this twenty eight you is that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Your answer or are you just thinking out loud?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I am going to share twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That is correct. Good job, all right, you got two down,
only three more and you're the winner here. How about this? Oh,
I didn't know this was a question. We just talked
about this. Who plays the role at Chief Rainwater? Can
you tell me his name?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Hold on, I know it because they also just listened
to that episode.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
His name is gil gil Bermingham.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Correct, nice job, all right, you're killing you're killing it here.
What character does Luke Grimes portray?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
He is Kasey Dutton.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That is correct. Oh, you're going to crush the rest
of these. What is the name of John Dutton's only daughter,
Beth Dutton? That is Beth, that's correct. What is the
Dunton family's primary business on their ranch? Like, what do
they do in their primary business on the ranch?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Primary business on the ranch? I mean horses, cattle.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Farming?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
What is your official answer?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I don't know. I'm just gonna say ranching.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know what You've already won anyway, so ill except
cattle ranching?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
All right, yay?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And then finally season one, John Dutton was diagnosed with.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
What ooh, bowling cancer.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's correct, twenty seven for seven. That is awesome, Jennifer,
you just won the prize pack. I'm going to send
you a sign book as well. I appreciate you spending
some time hanging out and talking Yellowstone with me. Are
you going to watch the Beth and the Beth and
Rip version of it when it comes out?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Absolutely, I ain't gonna watch it all because I mean,
even with eighteen eighty three, nineteen twenty three, I'm I'm
a Taylor Sheriton lover.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I mean, we love it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
That's awesome. Did you watch lion As by any chance?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Oh? Yeah, I mean my husband and I we are
so into it. It's so good. Land Man we finished
them all too, and I.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Love it that because land Man's got one season they
just finished. But I love when I get into a
show and there are multiple seasons already there like a
lot being late to the party. So yeah, like lion
S we started watching and they just finished season two,
so we got to go hard into lion S. It's
such a good show. And like season one's really good,
season two is even crazy better. If that's believable.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yep, And you just don't want it to end, and
that's you just don't want them to end.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I appreciate your time, congratulations, and hopefully I will talk
to you. Yeah, thanks for having outby. We're gonna put
you on hold and so we'll get your information and
send you all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Okay, Jennifer, all right, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
All right, don't hang out, don't hang up.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
All right, And.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
For my final trick or my final segment. And by
the way, thank you to all who have listened to
all eight episodes of this podcast. I have purposefully saved
this segment for last because we could have done who's
been the good guy? Who's been the hero? And I think
at some point most people have been heroic. But let's
(17:21):
talk about who the villain was the whole time you're
watching Yellowstone, It's changed. At one point I thought Chief
Rainwater not a good dude. By the end of it,
I'm like Chief Rainwater, that's my kind of dude. And
we saw all the characters develop. But I'd like to
(17:42):
go through a little deep dive and come to the
conclusion of who the real villain is and was on Yellowstone.
And I will present a pro and a con for
each one and at the end, I will pick who
I think is a villain and you will agree with me.
Probably not, but that's okay. Option one, which is the
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option most people go with first, is Jamie Dutton. That's
the obvious one, right. His resume is tough, he betrays
the family, he works with market Equities, he kills his
biological father. Not going to get a big plaque that
says Son of the Year, for sure. But here's the twist.
(18:26):
What if is just a broken dude who's so broken
that he's making decisions based on the reality that his
family never really accepted him. And he's not making decisions
at times for malicious reasons. It's for survival or out
(18:47):
of desperation. If you were in Jamie's situation, you probably
would have made some mistakes too, and compounded those mistakes.
Option one of who the real villain is was Jamie Dutton.
Option too. Market Equities the corporate monster. So it's basically
(19:10):
a Wall Street land vacuum. They want to build airports,
they want to build resorts, they want to do shopping centers.
They're all about profit. They're not really for the people
at all. Easy to hate, but what they're doing is
not illegal. If you're listening to this, are you a capitalist? Probably?
(19:37):
Have you invested any money at all at anything?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't know. Is some capitalism ugly? Oh yeah? Is
it illegal? Again? No? But again it is the land
we're talking about. But it happens all the time, every day.
So Option number two is market that. How about this
(20:05):
John Dutton? What if John Dutton is actually the villain?
Think about it. He lies, he threatens, he kills, he
manipulates politicians, and he's holding onto a giant peace of land,
not for the greater good, not for the sacred bird
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egg of the eastern shored tele atut. I'm just making
up a bird there. But he's holding on to the
land for his name. He's not protecting Montana. When he's
the governor, he goes into the governor not to protect Montana,
(20:49):
but to protect his version of Montana. John Dutton hero
is he basically a cowboy version of a mob boss.
Option four Beth Dunton. That's got a lot of fans.
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But if anyone else did the things she did, if
anybody that we knew did the things that she did,
we would not want to be around them. Completely unhinged.
She is vindictive. She is violent, she is manipulative, but
(21:35):
and I got to hit you with both sides, she's loyal.
So it's the old scale there. What's more important? Like,
are you allowed to be this awful, this vindictive, this
violent if it's for loyalty? But you're being loyal to
who your dad the ranch? But You're dad wants to
(22:01):
save the ranch just for the family name, not actually
for anything greater as in the state of Montana. Or
but she does protect the ranch with everything she has.
I love a loyal person. Is Beth the villain or
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the ranch's necessary monster? Option five Thomas Rainwater. Now, I
talked about him early on because they make him unlikable
at the very beginning, And I gotta say this, I
don't like that. I didn't like him. I don't like
me for that. Because here's somebody who did care about
(22:45):
I won't say the state of Montana, but the land.
He did care about the land. A lot of people
do think the Rainwater is the real villain. He talks
a big game about honoring the land and his people.
He does. He talks the game, but he's also building
casinos and making back room deals. But if you zoom out.
(23:09):
He is just trying to reclaim the land that was stolen.
I'll say it again, He's just trying to reclaim the
land that was stolen. That's not evil, that's history. So
does Rainwater the villain or is he actually the only
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one playing the long game for justice? Option six of seven.
By the way, oh, the old system, the old invisible enemy.
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Maybe the villain is not a person at all. Maybe
it's the whole system that we have created, the politics,
the land ownership laws, the corporate power, the endless cycle
and cycles of violence that have been happening for hundreds
(24:13):
of years, and we continue to allow them to happen.
Every character on the show is reacting to the same thing, power,
and they're also figuring out how to get more of
it power. The only difference is the method. That's Option six,
(24:38):
Option seven. Legacy, legacy itself and the root of it
all Right. We mentioned it earlier when is John Dutton
the villain because he's not really doing it for anything
other than himself and his legacy, his family's legacy. And
I gonna tell you, I'm not much of a legacy
(24:59):
guy just in general, maybe because I don't come from
much of a legacy, don't really have one, don't know,
my parents don't well. The legacy that they legacy over
a misot probably an't that good, Okay, I'll say that.
So I've never been a big legacy guy, especially for me.
(25:21):
If it's all kind of legacy, I'm not going to leave.
Why do I care? I'm not going to be here?
But is the villain the legacy? Now here's a weird thought.
What if the whole evil monster, the evil villain, the
bad guy, the Hamburger burglar. What if all of it,
for the whole show is everyone's obsession with legacy, the
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need to hold onto it, the need to pass something
down no matter what it costs, friendships, relationships, lives, money,
no matter what it costs. It's that idea that the
land belonged to you just because your great grandpa bought it, right,
(26:05):
I don't know. I mean that's what fuels most of
the conflict in Yellowstone. Everybody fighting over a piece of
land because they think it defines who they are. I mean,
think about that again, the idea that the land belongs
to you because your great grandpa bought it and it
wasn't even really his divide to begin with the legacy.
(26:33):
Those are my seven options on who the bad guy is.
And after all that, and listen, I ranked him and
reranked them, Jamie, John, the System. They're all villains in
their own way. Heck, they're all heroes in their own
way too, and that's part of the beauty of the show.
(26:54):
And I think if the show is shot from a
different perspective, you feel a whole different way about it.
I imagine if the camera was following Chief Rainwater the
whole time, for all seasons, He's going to be the hero.
Same thing, John Dunton going to be the hero. You
could make Jamie the hero if you shoot up from
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their perspective, their feelings, their inner thoughts. The brilliance of
Yellowstone is that it doesn't give you clear heroes. It
doesn't give you clear villains. At times you get a
clearish hero, but then all of a sudden, they're a
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clearish villain. I thought Bethel's way too hard on Jamie,
way too hard on Jamie. And I get why people
hate Jamie, and listen, Jamie did some bad, bad, bad stuff.
But I think if you were to have presented Jamie's
whole story from being an infant toddler teenager, what happened
to him? I think you feel completely different about who
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he is what he did. And that's just one example.
But that is the greatness of Yellowstone Nuance. It gives
you messy people fighting for messy reasons, but it gave
us a really great show. I'm sad to see it's over.
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I love that there are other versions that we can
now watch. Big shout out Taylor Sheridan, great job, Thank
you so much for listening. Thank you to all the
guests who came on the show and talked with us
about their roles on the show. Thank you to the
show for existing. I guess the other list I could
give you real quick that never actually made one of
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the episodes. I did a best five storylines. You want to,
I give it to you. Do it all right. I
now present to you the best five storylines on Yellowstone.
Number one, the Beth and Rip love story. We wanted
them to. We didn't think they would. They might, their
childhood backstory, the adult devotion. There's layers to it. Let's
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go the part where Rip is building bet the house
with his hands, and it's number one. I'm going the
wrong way, actually gone five to one. That's how you
know I wasn't planning to do this. Add this is
extra material. Number two Casey's transformation. He starts out as
kind of an outsider, Mary Demonica, disconnected. He slowly is
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like somebody you love and is loved. I love that
about Casey. Number three Jamie's betrayal and break down. Adopted
into the Duttons but never truly accepted, wants to be
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a loyal son. Goes from being a loyal son to
having to being a power player and flat out murderer.
He breaks at one point when he kills his dad.
Spoiler number four of the Fight against Market Equities, which
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is the old David versus Goliath Montana's Beauty in Heritage
or at Stake, and it's it's very real world. It's
very real world. I mean the moment there is when
Beth kind of kills the deal from inside by getting
herself hired and then sabotages that. That that's pretty killer.
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I was pretty legit, and the fine I should have
started at five. I don't know why I went so stupid.
I'm not even gonna edit this. Number five John Dutton's
power Games and political Rise. We see a cattle rancher
become a governor not for ambition but for survival. It
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shows how far he'll go to protect his land. It
also shows how broken the system really is too. For
being honest, it frames him as not just the patriarch,
which is what we learned of him early, but also
a player in a much larger war. I liked it
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during his inauguration, and it had a little problem with
him being governor. That was a little stretchy for me.
But okay, I accepted it, but I did have a
little problem with it. But in his inauguration speech, he
says he's going to break everything to save what matters,
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and I felt that, but what mattered was him in
his land for his sake. I was going to do
the ultimate villain, the ultimate villain man. I would love
to say John Dutton, You guys, don't just for the
sake of like having a movie that you love and
then it doesn't end the way you want it to
and you're like, what the heck? I would love to
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say John Dutton right now. But I will put John
Dutton in my top three of villains. But overall, the
villain is the system. The villain is the system. That's
existed for hundreds of years. The villain is the white
man stole the land to begin with, and then we
fight over the land that we stole, and the villain
is extremely ugly, dishonest capitalism. I'm a capitalist myself, as
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I assume you are listening, but I believe there is
a line. So I'm going to go with the system
at number one as the ultimate villain. Now I can
go thank you all for listening to the Yellowstone Podcast.
As you can see, I'm very passionate about a lot
of these things because it doesn't just represent a TV show,
It represents a lot of America. And also, people started
wearing cowboy hats. It never wore one before, and a
little bit I was like, hey, you too much of
a poser, stopped doing that. But a lot of our
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friends got to have music on this show before they
were famous, and it actually helped make them famous.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I E.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Laney Wilson, thank you so much. All right, goodbye everybody.
The Yellowstone Official Podcast hosted by Me Bobby Bones and
brought to you by iHeartMedia Podcasts and MTV Entertainment Studios.
Big shout out to executive producers Jason Reid, Lindsay Hoffman,
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Karl katl and Kevin O'Connell. Also our senior manager of
podcast Marketing, Ali Canner Graver for keeping the word out
and of course a big thanks to Will Pearson, president
of iHeartMedia Podcast, for him supporting this show. We've also
got special thanks going out to Whitney Baxter, Xavier of Free,
Barbara Parida, Emily Curry, and Joe Flattery. You guys make
this happen. This podcast is produced in association with One
(33:40):
on one Studios over there executive producer Scott Stone and
Director of podcast Development and Production Danielle Waxman. We also
got to give a big nod to Michelle Newman, David
Glasser and David Hutkin for their support. Thank you guys
for tuning in.
Hey guys, welcome to the final episode of the Official
Yellowstone Podcast. I am and have been your host Bobby Bones.
On this episode, I'm gonna walk you through the villains
of this show, some of them you may not even
think of as villains, and then I will let you
know who I think the true villain of Yellowstone was.
Was it Chief Rainwater, Jamie Dutton, Beth Dutton, maybe John?
(00:32):
Maybe it was John Dutton. Yeah, I'll explain. But first,
what we're gonna do is give a couple people a
chance to win some prizes. We have some cool Yellowstone
prizes and so we're gonna do some Yellowstone trivia and
if you're listening now, you should play along and see
how many of you get. Some of them super easy,
some of them a little harder. And our players are
Jennifer and Brittany and they're on now. We'll talk to
them in a second. Now, if you're jealous of Jennifer
(00:55):
and Brittany for winning this awesome Yellowstone gift that you're
about to hear about, you can also enter for a
chance to win. You can go to Amazon. You can
pre order the package and includes a DVD and a
Blu ray package. Including three new featurettes. But we'll put
the link in the show notes, you know when you go,
and it has all the writing about the description, so
you can click the link and that's for your shot
(01:15):
to win if you don't want to buy it. So
I love games, I love Yellowstone. Let's start with that first. Okay, Brittany, Yes,
how are you doing? It's Bobby here, I'm good. How
are you doing? Really good? So we're gonna do a
(01:36):
little Yellowstone trivia here and if you win, but you
have to get five out of seven. If you win,
you're gonna get a whole DVD collection of Yellowstone. It's
got a whole bunch of cool stuff in it. And
I'll send you a signed book for me. I'll send
you a bare bones my book, and you know, we'll
just talk Yellowstone for a second. I'm imagining that you
have watched Yellowstone.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I sure have huge Yellowstone fan, huge Bobby Punch show fans.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Thank you, thank you very much. Can you give me
your favorite and least favorite character on Yellowstone? This is
your past. See if you get in.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Favorite Beth Detton one hundred percent, least favorite Jamie.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's funny, that's that's yeah. What about Beth do you like? What?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Don't her attitude? I feel like I want to be Beth.
I feel like every girl wants to be Beth.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Can I cuss on this?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You can.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
She's a badass, but she has a big heart too.
She cares about her family. She's just who every girl
wants to be.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I think.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And so you said your least favorite was Jamie. Yes,
didn't you feel though a little bit she was mean
to him, like like a little excessive at times.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Definitely excessive. There were some times that I felt bad
for Jamie, and then other times I felt like she
definitely had it coming.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Okay, I can co sign that. I feel like Jamie
kind of got a raw deal at times because he
didn't know John wasn't his dad. John took care of him,
and Jamie was trying to fit in with the other
two siblings and be a siblings, So that created a
lot you know, you know, we know, but I felt
absolutely Okay, I felt that's a little heart on him
at times. But I hear you, Okay. So here's what
we're gonna do. I'm going to ask you seven Yellowstone questions.
(03:02):
If you get five of them right, you will win
the prize. Okay, okay? And where do you live? Where
you at? Where are at right now?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I live outside Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
In like one of the suburbs.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, like thirty minutes east of Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Does that mean you're a Cowboys fan or a rancher
one of the two.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
My husband would be really mad if I did Jay
that I wasn't a Cowboys fan. My dad's from Buffalo,
so I'm actually a big Buffalo's Bill fan as well.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
No, that's fair, like the Cowboys too.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah. No, if your dad's a Buffalo fan, you have
to be a Buffalo fan, okay. And the Cowboys they're terrible,
so you're all good. All right, here we go. Question
number one. Oh this, we just talked about this. So
which character found out they were adopted in season three?
Jamie correct boom one number two? Who plays Travis in Yellowstone?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Uh, Taylor Sheridan.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Great job, that was elite. Good job by you, because
I don't know. I never remember anybody's names from shows
unless they're just beating it in my head a thousand times,
So I think i'd have been like Travis okay, heck
of a horse rider is old? Travis Okay? Next up,
where did Beth and Rip get married.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Out on their property?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I'll accept it their ranch is correct? Which Yellowstone actress
won a Daytime Emmy Award for their role and a
soap opera, the one called As the World Turns? Oh
my gosh, I'll ask it again. What's Yellowstone? Actress won
a Daytime Emmy Award not for Yellowstone, but for their
work and the soap opera As the World Turns?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The senator, Well, you're asking me a question I didn't answer.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Do I have to say their actual name?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know? If you just guess who it is and
you say that's my answer, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Senator. That's the best I got.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That is incorrect. You're still good, though. That's Jen Landon
who played Teeter.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Oh I did not know that, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Next up? Who was Rip's best man at his wedding?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
The old guy, the old guy that he worked with
for so long. And of course I'm blinking on his name,
and I remember Travis's name. Uh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
The old man.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I'm gonna give you five seconds to think of the
old The old man has a name. Oh my gosh,
you're gonna kick You're gonna kick yourself time. I know, yeah,
you're gonna kick yourself. The answer is Lloyd Lloyd. Oh
my god, I know. Okay, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Your work or what I'm at home? I I'm a
home health sales rep. So I'm currently at home.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So you're probably like watching your computer and making sure
it's all safe. No, home health is like on fire.
So you forgot Lloyd's name? You know that's there?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You go exactly, exactly, you.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Got to get these two right. Here we go. What
Dunton family member becomes an attorney?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Jamie correct?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
One final question. It all comes down to this. What
actor also serves as an executive producer for the show?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Taylor Sheridan?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You know what, I'm gonna have to let that count
because more than one gus Taylor Sheridan. Okay, what primary
actor serves as executive producer as well?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Was it Kevin cost It is?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You got both of them because I can't because obviously
it's Taylor Shardank He's the creator of the show. But yes,
it's you got it twice, So you are a winner. Brittany,
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So what does a home health rep do?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
What are you selling? How do you sell health?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So I'm mostly in silling to social workers and case
managers at hospitals and people that are discharging going home
from the hospital who are going to need nursing services
or physical therapy. We just sell our home health services
to those people and help get them set up so
their transition from the hospital is lot smoother.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's cool. How about this question, which Taylor sharedan show
other than Yellowstone, is like your other favorite landman? Yeah?
That's good.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I love a landman.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
He have so many good ones right now, it's hard
to choose, though.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I know I really loved Lions like a plus, I
feel like it's.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
His world now we're all just living in it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, we're going to send you this and thank you
so much for playing the game, and thanks for listening.
And we're gonna put you on hold to make sure
we have your information.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Okay, awesome, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
All right, good to talk to you, Jennifer. Bobby. How's
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your day going?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Hey, Bobby, it's gone great.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
How are you pretty good? Where do you live?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm in just north of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Pa. Now this is the official Yellowstone podcast. Do you
and have you ever watched Yellowstone? Yes? I watched it
all perfect, me too, So well, let me ask you
a couple questions about it. Then that aren't part of
the game we're gonna play. So who is your favorite
character not named John Dutton?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh, I'd have to go with Beth.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
See. The interesting thing about Beth is at times she's
like the anti hero because oh yeah, like you don't
like her, but you love her type thing. What about
Beth resonated the most with you?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
She doesn't take from anyone, That's true. I love that
about her.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Do you feel like that's the kind of person you are,
that's the kind of person you would like to be?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
You know sometimes that's me, but definitely would like to
be that person more often.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, she had a legit car too, Like she was
like gritty but also really rich, so like the really
rich stuff looked gritty, and I didn't feel like she
was too cool for school or like too rich. Like
you still related to her, but you're also like, man,
that's a full car.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
So I mean, I would rip is definitely a close second.
I just need to say that.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Do you think that's because they ended up together, and
so you made you like him more? Or do you
think just even alone, that character to you was awesome
just alone?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
I would say he started out as my favorite and
Beth kind of merged in there and won me over, and.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Rip still stayed there the close first.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But what about like all three of the kids, so
John's dad, you get Yeah? So which Casey Beth? Which
of the kids? I don't want to lead you anywhere.
Which are the kids? Did you like the least?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh? Jamie?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Now, did you have a love hate or did you
just hate at the end?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Hate, I mean get hate.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
See.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think where I struggled about him at the end?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, I said, I think where I struggled was I
feel like Jamie wasn't in a small spoiler if you
haven't watched Yellowstone, which I assume if you're listening to
this you do, since he wasn't, you know, a biological,
full biological child like the other two, right, I feel
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like he was always like fighting to be more, which
made him make decisions that at times would look to
us like not the right decision to make. But I
think it was always coming from a place of inadequacy.
Or insecurity, so I kind of gave him a pass.
But those final seasons, some bad stuff happened. But even
(10:55):
like when Jamie's real dad came back, like I kind
of felt bad for him because his real dad was
still a loser.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree completely he you know,
but he just to me, he was he took it
too far at the end, and that just then that
turned me to you know.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Dislike completely understand. We had Gil on Gill Birmingham, who
played Chief Rainwater in a previous episode. What was so
interesting to me about Gil was there were times where
I loved him. There were times where I felt like
he was the enemy. There were times that was like,
he's good to have you on the team. Like, yeah,
even Jamie kind of the same way. Like there are multiple,
multiple levels to some of these characters, and I think
(11:32):
that's what makes the show so good. Did you have
that relationship with Chief Rainwater two where at times you're
like I don't like this guy at all, but then
you're like, man, I'm kind of glad he's back on the.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Team all the time.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
And I mean the ending of course, then I mean
a spoiler alert and would assume you've seen it, but
I mean the ending was just so perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It just made you love him even more.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, like he always his intentions were always pure, even
if you didn't like him, And I think that's what
the show ended up showing about Chief Rainwater too, Like
his intentions were always there even if you disagreed with them,
or even if you only got like one version of them,
because right we were seeing the perspective of not him.
He was a side character that was like kind of
the bad guy for a while.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It was so cool too that to hear his story
because he talked about how he was a bodybuilder and
like he's working on a gym, and you know, that's
how he got they discovered basically because he was like
an engineer but was also lifting weights and next thing,
you know, he's Chief Rainwater. So okay, look, here's the thing, Jennifer.
I want to give you a chance to want the
prize here. So it's a couple of different things. So
(12:31):
first of all, I wanted to give something TANGI Yellowstone
tangible away so even if you don't use it, it's
a pretty cool thing here. So eleven point four million
viewers watched Yellowstone season five part two, which was you know,
they split the last season into two, and we're going
to do the whole thing. It's a three disc set.
It's you know, part of the season five. It's ten featurettes, DVD,
(12:55):
blu rays, moments from Yellowstone past and present, a lot
of speci features. So we're gonna do this, and if
you win this game, you'll win that. And I'll also
send you a signed book of mine because you seem
like a really last person and I got a bunch
of books here and I just want to sign one
and mail one to you. Okay, Yeah, but you have
to get five out of seven rights.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Okay, I have to win.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, and I think you're gonna win because some of
these are so down the middle. For example, who plays
John Dutton on Yellowstone? This is number one here at
Kevin Costner's correct. See you're already in Costner or Cosner. Listen,
it is not Cosner, and you know that. And Eddie
does not know that because like Kevin Cosner, not his name. Yes,
(13:40):
that's funny, Good job, good job. Okay, we got one right.
Number two a little tougher. What year did Yellowstone premiere
on Paramount Network?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Think I know this twenty eight you is that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Your answer or are you just thinking out loud?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I am going to share twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That is correct. Good job, all right, you got two down,
only three more and you're the winner here. How about this? Oh,
I didn't know this was a question. We just talked
about this. Who plays the role at Chief Rainwater? Can
you tell me his name?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Hold on, I know it because they also just listened
to that episode.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
His name is gil gil Bermingham.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Correct, nice job, all right, you're killing you're killing it here.
What character does Luke Grimes portray?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
He is Kasey Dutton.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That is correct. Oh, you're going to crush the rest
of these. What is the name of John Dutton's only daughter,
Beth Dutton? That is Beth, that's correct. What is the
Dunton family's primary business on their ranch? Like, what do
they do in their primary business on the ranch?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Primary business on the ranch? I mean horses, cattle.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Farming?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
What is your official answer?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I don't know. I'm just gonna say ranching.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know what You've already won anyway, so ill except
cattle ranching?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
All right, yay?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And then finally season one, John Dutton was diagnosed with.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
What ooh, bowling cancer.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's correct, twenty seven for seven. That is awesome, Jennifer,
you just won the prize pack. I'm going to send
you a sign book as well. I appreciate you spending
some time hanging out and talking Yellowstone with me. Are
you going to watch the Beth and the Beth and
Rip version of it when it comes out?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Absolutely, I ain't gonna watch it all because I mean,
even with eighteen eighty three, nineteen twenty three, I'm I'm
a Taylor Sheriton lover.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I mean, we love it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
That's awesome. Did you watch lion As by any chance?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Oh? Yeah, I mean my husband and I we are
so into it. It's so good. Land Man we finished
them all too, and I.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Love it that because land Man's got one season they
just finished. But I love when I get into a
show and there are multiple seasons already there like a
lot being late to the party. So yeah, like lion
S we started watching and they just finished season two,
so we got to go hard into lion S. It's
such a good show. And like season one's really good,
season two is even crazy better. If that's believable.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yep, And you just don't want it to end, and
that's you just don't want them to end.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I appreciate your time, congratulations, and hopefully I will talk
to you. Yeah, thanks for having outby. We're gonna put
you on hold and so we'll get your information and
send you all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Okay, Jennifer, all right, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
All right, don't hang out, don't hang up.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
All right, And.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
For my final trick or my final segment. And by
the way, thank you to all who have listened to
all eight episodes of this podcast. I have purposefully saved
this segment for last because we could have done who's
been the good guy? Who's been the hero? And I think
at some point most people have been heroic. But let's
(17:21):
talk about who the villain was the whole time you're
watching Yellowstone, It's changed. At one point I thought Chief
Rainwater not a good dude. By the end of it,
I'm like Chief Rainwater, that's my kind of dude. And
we saw all the characters develop. But I'd like to
(17:42):
go through a little deep dive and come to the
conclusion of who the real villain is and was on Yellowstone.
And I will present a pro and a con for
each one and at the end, I will pick who
I think is a villain and you will agree with me.
Probably not, but that's okay. Option one, which is the
(18:05):
option most people go with first, is Jamie Dutton. That's
the obvious one, right. His resume is tough, he betrays
the family, he works with market Equities, he kills his
biological father. Not going to get a big plaque that
says Son of the Year, for sure. But here's the twist.
(18:26):
What if is just a broken dude who's so broken
that he's making decisions based on the reality that his
family never really accepted him. And he's not making decisions
at times for malicious reasons. It's for survival or out
(18:47):
of desperation. If you were in Jamie's situation, you probably
would have made some mistakes too, and compounded those mistakes.
Option one of who the real villain is was Jamie Dutton.
Option too. Market Equities the corporate monster. So it's basically
(19:10):
a Wall Street land vacuum. They want to build airports,
they want to build resorts, they want to do shopping centers.
They're all about profit. They're not really for the people
at all. Easy to hate, but what they're doing is
not illegal. If you're listening to this, are you a capitalist? Probably?
(19:37):
Have you invested any money at all at anything?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't know. Is some capitalism ugly? Oh yeah? Is
it illegal? Again? No? But again it is the land
we're talking about. But it happens all the time, every day.
So Option number two is market that. How about this
(20:05):
John Dutton? What if John Dutton is actually the villain?
Think about it. He lies, he threatens, he kills, he
manipulates politicians, and he's holding onto a giant peace of land,
not for the greater good, not for the sacred bird
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egg of the eastern shored tele atut. I'm just making
up a bird there. But he's holding on to the
land for his name. He's not protecting Montana. When he's
the governor, he goes into the governor not to protect Montana,
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but to protect his version of Montana. John Dutton hero
is he basically a cowboy version of a mob boss.
Option four Beth Dunton. That's got a lot of fans.
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But if anyone else did the things she did, if
anybody that we knew did the things that she did,
we would not want to be around them. Completely unhinged.
She is vindictive. She is violent, she is manipulative, but
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and I got to hit you with both sides, she's loyal.
So it's the old scale there. What's more important? Like,
are you allowed to be this awful, this vindictive, this
violent if it's for loyalty? But you're being loyal to
who your dad the ranch? But You're dad wants to
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save the ranch just for the family name, not actually
for anything greater as in the state of Montana. Or
but she does protect the ranch with everything she has.
I love a loyal person. Is Beth the villain or
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the ranch's necessary monster? Option five Thomas Rainwater. Now, I
talked about him early on because they make him unlikable
at the very beginning, And I gotta say this, I
don't like that. I didn't like him. I don't like
me for that. Because here's somebody who did care about
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I won't say the state of Montana, but the land.
He did care about the land. A lot of people
do think the Rainwater is the real villain. He talks
a big game about honoring the land and his people.
He does. He talks the game, but he's also building
casinos and making back room deals. But if you zoom out.
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He is just trying to reclaim the land that was stolen.
I'll say it again, He's just trying to reclaim the
land that was stolen. That's not evil, that's history. So
does Rainwater the villain or is he actually the only
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one playing the long game for justice? Option six of seven.
By the way, oh, the old system, the old invisible enemy.
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Maybe the villain is not a person at all. Maybe
it's the whole system that we have created, the politics,
the land ownership laws, the corporate power, the endless cycle
and cycles of violence that have been happening for hundreds
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of years, and we continue to allow them to happen.
Every character on the show is reacting to the same thing, power,
and they're also figuring out how to get more of
it power. The only difference is the method. That's Option six,
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Option seven. Legacy, legacy itself and the root of it
all Right. We mentioned it earlier when is John Dutton
the villain because he's not really doing it for anything
other than himself and his legacy, his family's legacy. And
I gonna tell you, I'm not much of a legacy
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guy just in general, maybe because I don't come from
much of a legacy, don't really have one, don't know,
my parents don't well. The legacy that they legacy over
a misot probably an't that good, Okay, I'll say that.
So I've never been a big legacy guy, especially for me.
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If it's all kind of legacy, I'm not going to leave.
Why do I care? I'm not going to be here?
But is the villain the legacy? Now here's a weird thought.
What if the whole evil monster, the evil villain, the
bad guy, the Hamburger burglar. What if all of it,
for the whole show is everyone's obsession with legacy, the
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need to hold onto it, the need to pass something
down no matter what it costs, friendships, relationships, lives, money,
no matter what it costs. It's that idea that the
land belonged to you just because your great grandpa bought it, right,
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I don't know. I mean that's what fuels most of
the conflict in Yellowstone. Everybody fighting over a piece of
land because they think it defines who they are. I mean,
think about that again, the idea that the land belongs
to you because your great grandpa bought it and it
wasn't even really his divide to begin with the legacy.
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Those are my seven options on who the bad guy is.
And after all that, and listen, I ranked him and
reranked them, Jamie, John, the System. They're all villains in
their own way. Heck, they're all heroes in their own
way too, and that's part of the beauty of the show.
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And I think if the show is shot from a
different perspective, you feel a whole different way about it.
I imagine if the camera was following Chief Rainwater the
whole time, for all seasons, He's going to be the hero.
Same thing, John Dunton going to be the hero. You
could make Jamie the hero if you shoot up from
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their perspective, their feelings, their inner thoughts. The brilliance of
Yellowstone is that it doesn't give you clear heroes. It
doesn't give you clear villains. At times you get a
clearish hero, but then all of a sudden, they're a
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clearish villain. I thought Bethel's way too hard on Jamie,
way too hard on Jamie. And I get why people
hate Jamie, and listen, Jamie did some bad, bad, bad stuff.
But I think if you were to have presented Jamie's
whole story from being an infant toddler teenager, what happened
to him? I think you feel completely different about who
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he is what he did. And that's just one example.
But that is the greatness of Yellowstone Nuance. It gives
you messy people fighting for messy reasons, but it gave
us a really great show. I'm sad to see it's over.
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I love that there are other versions that we can
now watch. Big shout out Taylor Sheridan, great job, Thank
you so much for listening. Thank you to all the
guests who came on the show and talked with us
about their roles on the show. Thank you to the
show for existing. I guess the other list I could
give you real quick that never actually made one of
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the episodes. I did a best five storylines. You want to,
I give it to you. Do it all right. I
now present to you the best five storylines on Yellowstone.
Number one, the Beth and Rip love story. We wanted
them to. We didn't think they would. They might, their
childhood backstory, the adult devotion. There's layers to it. Let's
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go the part where Rip is building bet the house
with his hands, and it's number one. I'm going the
wrong way, actually gone five to one. That's how you
know I wasn't planning to do this. Add this is
extra material. Number two Casey's transformation. He starts out as
kind of an outsider, Mary Demonica, disconnected. He slowly is
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like somebody you love and is loved. I love that
about Casey. Number three Jamie's betrayal and break down. Adopted
into the Duttons but never truly accepted, wants to be
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a loyal son. Goes from being a loyal son to
having to being a power player and flat out murderer.
He breaks at one point when he kills his dad.
Spoiler number four of the Fight against Market Equities, which
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is the old David versus Goliath Montana's Beauty in Heritage
or at Stake, and it's it's very real world. It's
very real world. I mean the moment there is when
Beth kind of kills the deal from inside by getting
herself hired and then sabotages that. That that's pretty killer.
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I was pretty legit, and the fine I should have
started at five. I don't know why I went so stupid.
I'm not even gonna edit this. Number five John Dutton's
power Games and political Rise. We see a cattle rancher
become a governor not for ambition but for survival. It
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shows how far he'll go to protect his land. It
also shows how broken the system really is too. For
being honest, it frames him as not just the patriarch,
which is what we learned of him early, but also
a player in a much larger war. I liked it
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during his inauguration, and it had a little problem with
him being governor. That was a little stretchy for me.
But okay, I accepted it, but I did have a
little problem with it. But in his inauguration speech, he
says he's going to break everything to save what matters,
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and I felt that, but what mattered was him in
his land for his sake. I was going to do
the ultimate villain, the ultimate villain man. I would love
to say John Dutton, You guys, don't just for the
sake of like having a movie that you love and
then it doesn't end the way you want it to
and you're like, what the heck? I would love to
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say John Dutton right now. But I will put John
Dutton in my top three of villains. But overall, the
villain is the system. The villain is the system. That's
existed for hundreds of years. The villain is the white
man stole the land to begin with, and then we
fight over the land that we stole, and the villain
is extremely ugly, dishonest capitalism. I'm a capitalist myself, as
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I assume you are listening, but I believe there is
a line. So I'm going to go with the system
at number one as the ultimate villain. Now I can
go thank you all for listening to the Yellowstone Podcast.
As you can see, I'm very passionate about a lot
of these things because it doesn't just represent a TV show,
It represents a lot of America. And also, people started
wearing cowboy hats. It never wore one before, and a
little bit I was like, hey, you too much of
a poser, stopped doing that. But a lot of our
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friends got to have music on this show before they
were famous, and it actually helped make them famous.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I E.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Laney Wilson, thank you so much. All right, goodbye everybody.
The Yellowstone Official Podcast hosted by Me Bobby Bones and
brought to you by iHeartMedia Podcasts and MTV Entertainment Studios.
Big shout out to executive producers Jason Reid, Lindsay Hoffman,
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Karl katl and Kevin O'Connell. Also our senior manager of
podcast Marketing, Ali Canner Graver for keeping the word out
and of course a big thanks to Will Pearson, president
of iHeartMedia Podcast, for him supporting this show. We've also
got special thanks going out to Whitney Baxter, Xavier of Free,
Barbara Parida, Emily Curry, and Joe Flattery. You guys make
this happen. This podcast is produced in association with One
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on one Studios over there executive producer Scott Stone and
Director of podcast Development and Production Danielle Waxman. We also
got to give a big nod to Michelle Newman, David
Glasser and David Hutkin for their support. Thank you guys
for tuning in.
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