March 31, 2026 • 44 mins
This week, Danielle is hanging out in an icon’s closet. And not just any icon – Lisa F*cking Rinna. Fresh off her book tour for her new memoir, You Better Believe I’m Gonna Talk About It, Lisa is here and ready to show up as her full self – silly, joyful and growing — always growing! Lisa takes Danielle behind the scenes of writing her memoir, deep dives into some juuuicy Real Housewives drama – and even devises a little acting role for herself, should, you know, the opportunity arise.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bookmarked by Teresa's book Club is presented by Apple Books. Hi,
I'm Danielle Robe and welcome to Bookmarked by Teresa's book Club.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You guys, this.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Week we are talking to an icon, Lisa F*cking Rinna. Now,
part of why Lisa is such an icon is that
there are so many places that you may know her
from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Traders Fashion Week, her
days as a soap opera star, her Veronica Mars season
where she played the wife of her real life husband
Harry Hamlin, and of course Lisa's new memoir You better
(00:38):
believe I'm going to talk about it. And honestly, the
title says it all because Lisa's never been someone who
holds back and this book doesn't either. But for someone
so used to being in the spotlight, Lisa still reveals
some new sides of herself in this book. She goes
there on what it felt like to go from a
housewife loved for her honesty to a franchise villain.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Booed on stage at Bravocon.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She talks about grieving the death of her mother while
cameras were rolling and the world was watching, and now
how she's learned to draw lines around her public and
private personas. So if you've ever wondered what it costs
to be totally and unapologetically yourself, or what it's like
to be famous, and if it's actually worth it, you're
in the right place. Let's turn the page with Lisa Rinna.
(01:25):
Lisa Rinna, welcome to the club.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Thank you, Hi, it's nice to finally be here.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You wrote a book. Now, I'm not a Virgo, so
I think this interview is going to go well. I
hope it does.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And it seems to be only Virgo women. I'm good
with Virgo men, so go figure.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
For anybody who hasn't read the book yet, there are
just lots of mentions about how you and Virgo women
just do not get along.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No exactly. Yeah, it's like oil and water and who
knows why.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So here's the thing, Lisa, I expected a lipcare brand
from you, and I was not so prized when you
became an absolute fashion diva.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But a book. When did you have time to write
a book?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, uh, listen, I do many things. I wrote a
couple of books. But back in like two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine, you know, early two thousands, and
I wasn't planning on writing a book, to be honest
with you. But the agents came to me and said,
we think that you have another book in you. And
I was like, I think I'm good. I don't think
I need to write another book. And they kept asking.
(02:30):
They were like, we think you have more to say,
just think about it. And so I, you know, I
don't write my own book. I have to have a
ghostwriter because I am not a writer, and that's just
the truth. So I said, let me meet with three
ghost writers, okay, and if I connect to one, I'll
do it. And so I met three different ghostwriters and
(02:51):
I connected to one, and I thought this would be fun.
I thought they had my voice, they had an idea
of who I am and my whole career. I just
took a risk and it turned out to be a
very cathartic, very great experience. I had so much fun
writing this book, and I've never had fun writing a
book before, so it was meant to happen. And I
(03:12):
was able to tell like my side of things and
how I feel, and I'm really glad I did it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So out of all the titles that you've worn, which
you know there are so many author, Bravo housewife, actress, trader, mom,
wife of Harry Hamlin.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Is there one that you most identify with?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I mean just me being my authentic self.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But is there a difference between Lisa Rinna and Lisa
fucking Rinna.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yes, there is absolutely. Lisa Rinna is Lisa Rinna wears
leggings and you know, free city sweatpants, no makeup, looks
like a twelve year old boy, literally, that's the true.
And bucket hats and like baseball hats. I love the
zero makeup. Lisa fucking is a force to be reckoned
(04:02):
with has her hair, makeup done, comes out in her fashion.
And I would never run around as Lisa fucking Rinna.
I only run around as Lisa Rinna. But now it's
almost meshed together, and so I kind of can't escape
either one. It's just now out in the world. Doesn't
(04:23):
matter if I look like a twelve year old boy.
I still get people now coming up to me saying
Lisa fucking Rinna. So I think they intermeshed.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I ask because I feel like in the book you
wrote a lot about how you really approached housewives and
reality TV in general as a job, and so you
leaned into playing this character, which I kind of think
of as Lisa fucking Rinna. Yeah, and in the book,
you share her, but you really bear your soul too.
And I'm curious how it felt to be Lisa Rinna
(04:56):
and be so honest with people.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Vulnerable, super vulnerable, you know, scary, And I knew that
I had to do that, because when you're scared of something,
it's like I always know that that's the thing I
should do.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
What was scary about it.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's sharing parts of myself that I usually keep very private.
You know, I am a very private person, even though
it doesn't really seem like I am. It seems like
I'm really out there, but I am actually very private.
H So opening up and sharing that part of me
and talking about, you know, my feelings and what I've
(05:33):
been through was very vulnerable, very vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
What would you say was the most vulnerable chapter or share?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think the very first chapter when I share about
my mom's passing and what that was like and my
dad's passing, that for sure is the most vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know, those were my favorite parts because I got
to know your mom a little bit through Real Housewives.
When I watched, but when you write about her and
your dad and their dynamic, I had a whole new
understanding of who you were.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Oh, I love that, you know. That's what's been so
great and positive about this book is I think people
see me in a different way because you know, it's
only one way when you see me on Housewives, and
it's such a little tiny part, and so this book
has really helped people to see the real me and
all the different parts of me, which I'm really grateful for.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, we're on the street, as you're in a renaissance now,
and so besides being truly like a fashion icon, what
is the new era all about for you?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Well, it's just having such a good time, to be honest,
It's so fun and it's so filled with joy that
I think it's really all about that. It's all about
you know, our lives are really pretty short and you
really have to find out, like what excites you, what
moves you, what you really want to do and spend
your time doing. And I think that is what I'm doing,
(06:57):
and so I'm having a ball. Fashion has just been
my favorite thing that I've ever done, and so I
feel so grateful and I'm just so excited by it,
and to be excited by anything at this age in
my life I think is amazing, like so cool. So
I'm having a ball. I think the renaissance is really
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about joy and coming into myself and allowing whatever to be.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Do you feel like your daughters can feel that energy
from you because they're both in fashion as well, Like,
how is it for them to watch you go through
this renaissance and also for all three of you to
kind of be in the same industry now.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Well, first of all, I think they get a kick
out of it. I think they get a kick out
of me enjoying it so much, and that's so fun
that they get to see me again being my authentic self,
enjoying myself. And you know, I'm not sure if we
ask one hundred people if they would say, wow, I
really got to see my mom happy and doing what
(08:02):
she really loves. I'm not sure many of them would
be able to say yes to that, you know, right,
And I think that it's really great for my daughters
not only to see that I'm doing this at the
age and stage that I'm at and that I don't
apologize for anything, and I think that they go, wow,
(08:22):
she is free, she does whatever she wants. You know,
when you have kids, they're like little sponges. So her
and I've always tried to be really open and honest
and just like this is who we are, and they
know that they can come to us with anything and
you know, whatever it is. I think it's been fun
for everyone.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I sort of imagine you guys, like all practicing
your catwalk in the kitchen together.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Does that happen?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
We have done that. It's the most fun when you
see Amelia and Delilah kind of having a walk off
in the kitchen, like they'll do it with each other,
and it's I mean, come on, it's so fun. And
it's been so fun to see Amelia because she's really
been able to walk some major runways, major major runways,
(09:10):
and she really has one of the great walks out
there right now as a model.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Did your girls read the book?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
No, neither one of them. Now this is funny. On Housewives,
there was a scene in Tokyo that I never will forget.
We're sitting around a table and I'm there with Erica
Jane and the girls bring up the fact that at
eleven they found my book in the living room at
(09:38):
our place in Canada, and they one of their friends
found it. Of course, because they could have cared less.
You know, your kids. My kids don't care what I've
been on, what we've done in a movie, nothing like,
they don't care. We're mom and dad. So their friends
saw the book and was like oh, and she starts
reading it, and then the girls start to read the
chapter of course on sex, and oh they don't. They're
(10:02):
too scared to read the book because Millie was like,
I don't want to know anything about sex. I don't
want to know that you and dad have sex, and
I'm not reading the book. I was like, all right,
this one's safe.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
This one's safe. There's a lot about skincare I found
I have. There's a whole chapter about your closet. I
learned about your parents.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
You're safe, That's what I said. But she said, nope,
I'm not reading it. So at some point it will.
But Harry has read it. He read it twice and
it was really cute to watch him sitting out in
the backyard reading it, and he was really emotional because
he said, it's a snapshot of the last, you know,
thirty four or five years of our life, and so
(10:39):
I loved to hear that.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
You know, I am curious.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
One of my favorite moments from your writing was when
you shared your decision and it was really a joint
decision between you and Harry to actually go on Housewives,
because he was vehemently against it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And then you said to him, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Paraphrasing that basically, like we could really make some money here.
And a day later he comes back and he's like, okay, Lisa,
but here are the rules, and he gave you some
ground rules.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Is he happy with his sort of choice? Because it
was pretty rough at the end.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
It was pretty rough at the end, and we all
acknowledged that and know that, but we all agree that
we wouldn't have changed it, and that it was great
for me and great for everybody in many many ways,
in many many ways. So the end of it was
was really hard and very very very turbulent, but up
(11:36):
to that point it was it was quite great. So
that's how he feels.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Did you tell Harry you were going to write a memoir?
You just did it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
He knew I was writing it, but nobody read it
or nobody knew really anything about it until it was done.
And printed. They were just like, oh, she's out there
doing a zoom, you know, doing her book. And I
did that for you know, it takes a long time
to write a book. It takes really like two years
from start to finish. So it's a long process and
everyone forgets about it until it's done and then you
(12:04):
start to go out and do the press and whatnot.
Then it becomes back, it comes back into life, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I mean, he's like all over, under and around it.
So he was okay with being in the book. He
just didn't want to show up on Housewives.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
He just didn't want to show up on Housewives absolutely
five getting in the book. But you know, for him
as an actor, we had to protect his career. And
that's what I said going in. I said, you know,
he just cannot be a house husband on this show
because I don't want it to affect his career. And
what was really cool about Sherry Levine and Andy Cohen
(12:38):
at that point, they agreed to it, and they don't
do that normally. You know, those husbands are being counted
on to be part of everything, and so I was
lucky enough to make a deal with them. They would
take him three times three times this season they could
get him three times. That was the deal. We always
gave him three times, and it worked out.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
There's this one story that not only did I tear
up when I heard you talk about it, but all
the producers on our show picked up on this story too.
And it's when you're on your first vacation with Harry
and the two of you have gone together and he
tries to take a photo of you.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Will you share the story with everybody?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I will never forget it show. We're in Tahiti and
it's beautiful and you know, amazing, and he went to
take a photo and again we have no cell phones,
no social media. It's one of those little, you know,
canon cameras. And I just stood there, like rambroad straight
and he goes do something like do something in the photo,
(13:52):
and like do something. I was like, you know, I
was very reserved, you know, in many many ways, and
very insecure when I met. I know it's hard to believe,
but it's true. And so once he did that, I
was like, oh, okay, and then I just started to
like open up after that. It's almost like he gave
me permission to like express myself.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It feels like he's been doing that ever since. Because
you're one of the only marriages that have made it
through housewives.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
They're crazy, maybe one of the only for sure. Yeah,
it's true.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Do you feel like you're still finding out who you are?
Or do you know who Lisa Rinna is?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Now you know, I'm in therapy. I'm always searching. I'm
always digging deep because I know that I have a
lot of you know, I think we all have a
lot of childhood drama, trauma and drama and you know
whatever else, and so I think it's super important for
me to continue to evolve and find out who I
(14:50):
am by being in therapy. It's super important to me.
So I have a good sense of who I am.
But no, I am still learning, I really am. I'm
learning why I react certain ways, what turns me on,
what moves me. And I love self reflection. I do.
So I'm I'm very happy to be in therapy looking
(15:13):
at my life and what makes me triggered and what
makes me react the way I do, And I love
all that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It's actually very cool, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I'm thirty five, and so when I went through the
back catalog of your books, I was like, Wow, it's
amazing for me to read about a woman's life who's
gone through all of these transitions and motherhood and career transitions. Like,
I really do feel like we've you've been. You've showed us,
whether it was through your books or TV, what an
(15:44):
evolution looks like over all these years.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Do you feel cool?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
That's cool that you that you get that. I love
that you get that. I love that well, you.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Know, like sometimes you don't get to know your mom
through those transitions, right, And so to like read about
other women's stories, I think is so helpful.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Do you ever surprise yourself?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I surprise myself all the time, in good ways and
bad ways. About that. I probably surprise myself more in
something that I do. And I'm like, oh my god,
you know, I can't believe I just said that. I
can't believe I can surprise daily bye everything, you know.
And I think that's a great way to live, to
be curious all the time. I'm still like a five
(16:28):
year old that is just like and what about this?
And what about this?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Do you think you take yourself more or less seriously
than the public does?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Oh way less seriously. I do not take myself seriously.
The public takes me so serious it's crazy. Yeah, I
wouldn't want to take myself as serious as the public
takes me like. I'm not afraid to look like a fool.
I love to be self deprecating about myself, and I
like to make fun of myself because if I can't,
(16:59):
who can.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You made me think about something. You know, when you
had to grieve your mom in public? Did grieving in
public make you reconsider fame at all?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It's very difficult. I have to say it was extremely
difficult to grieve in public. And you know what I've
learned from it. I think somebody grieving is too painful
and it triggers everybody else's grief and they don't want
to see it, you know, the viewers, the housewives. No
one wants to deal with grief. And I was a
(17:33):
walking grief monster, right, I was just like grief. And
I just think that that's why I got so pushed away.
It's because nobody wants to feel grief. And I don't
blame them, but I think, truly that's what happened the
last season. And of course I was like acting out
and you know, raging and angry, and you know whatever
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grief does to one, but I think it just was
too painful for people to see it, and they rather
escape and watch, you know, people being stupid and fighting.
Was too painful for everybody involved. I think it's.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Actually a really good take. I haven't thought about that.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's what I got. It's just too painful. It's like,
I know she's grieving, I know she lost her mom,
and I just don't want to feel that. It's too
fucking painful. And I now I understand it. I understand
what the reaction was because you know, when you look
back at all the episodes, I really am not that
(18:32):
much different my eighth season. I'm really not. But whatever
the label of grief gave me, it was like, no, buena,
we do not like you. We don't like how you're
talking to the other women. You're an evil villain, and
we just don't want you here. And that that was
the reaction. And I think maybe if I hadn't gone
(18:54):
through that and wasn't grieving, it would have been very different.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So after the final season on Housewives, you walk onto
the Bravo con stage and you got booed by the audience,
which you write about, but you do something interesting, which
is instead of letting it hurt you, you kind of
flip them off. You play into it like pro wrestling,
like you were a WWE character, and the audience ate
(19:21):
it up. Why do you think that we love villains
the most.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, first of all, they have the most fun. It's true.
And I think you know that's where it went off
on Housewives, because the villains drive the show. That's really
why you're tuning in. But it got it got really
messed up on Housewives because instead of having it be
like a good sporting event, they really hated you in
(19:48):
a way that they wanted to get rid of you
and kill you and like all this weird stuff. Instead
of just really enjoying hating you as the villain, but
in a healthy way, if you know what I mean, Like, ah,
she just makes me so mad, but I just love it,
it went the other way, and I just it was
a shame because that's the most fun when you have
(20:10):
a villain. And every time they run the villains off
the show, the fan base goes, oh, it's so boring,
I just hate the show. Well, it's because you get
rid of all the people that are doing the job
of making the show. Great. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That's actually so well said.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thanks, thank you. That's what I noticed because listen, without
somebody that is stirring the pot or creating friction, you
have nothing going on, and.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So you need the hero's journey.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, so you know, you can go down and you
can go up, you know, all of it. That's that's
what everybody should just embrace. You know, it's a TV
show that you're there to root for people. It's like
having teams. You know, I like this team, you like
that team. But when it gets dark and weird and
I hate this person and I wish they would die, Like,
(21:03):
that's another level that is really unfortunate, and I think
it's really hurt the franchise because it's just not that deep.
It's a freaking TV show.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, well said.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
On the other hand, we have a book which is
very serious business. Give me a little QBC moment for
you better believe I'm going to talk about it. If
you like X, you will like this memoir. It can
be a TV moment, a meme.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Anything, well I need.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
If you like my Instagram, if you follow me on Instagram,
if you like all the memes that you've seen about
me over the years. If you liked the eminem if
you like the "It's couture honey, look at the tag." If
you like "were people doing coke in your bathroom?" If
you like "you better believe I'm gonna talk about it," Or
(21:54):
"why am I here? I'm more fabulous than this," then
you will love this book because I just go into
everything and I just pade a picture over the last
I don't know, thirty five years of my life, and
I think that you will be moved, you will laugh.
The audiobook I do myself, and I will say it's
(22:15):
it's pretty darned good because I've never done an audiobook before.
And if you want to listen to me telling these stories,
I think it's a home run. And I think that
you're gonna laugh, you're gonna cry, and by the way,
you're just gonna have a good time. So it'll make
you feel good. And whether you listen to it or
read it, it will be an added bonus to your
(22:35):
book collection.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And what's the best way for people to read the memoir?
Do they need to be like kicked back on the
couch with a drink in hand, a xanax?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
What are we talking?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Well, it's cute because people send me photos of themselves
with the book, and I think the ones I like
the best are they're out on a pool, buy a
pool at the beach with a cocktail. That's how it
is so cute? Is it cute? Oh my gosh. People
send me just pictures of the audio book like they
just want to share, like what chapter they loved or
(23:09):
where they're reading it. It's so cute. I love it.
But I think the ones that are like out by
a pool, you know, because the weather's been so horrible,
it makes me go, oh, they're having a good time.
Oh that's great, they're on vacation.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Okay, what's something that you're so obsessed with that you
could write a whole book about it but you probably won't.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, fashion, all the designers, the history of fashion. Yeah,
the history of fashion. I mean I just go on
and on and on and on and on. I'm so
moved by it. I love it so much.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I feel like we do have to talk about the
fashion on your book cover because your fashion archive is
very elite. I saw that on the show you were
letting your daughters try on old dresses like you're old versace. Yeah,
tell me about the look from your book cover. What
was the inspo and what was the mood board?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Like there was a lot of pressure, like how am
I gonna come up with this after the whole run
of fashion? Right? Like, We've had a really good run
of all the fashion. And I work with Daniel Brown,
who's my stylist, and we're just really good together creating visuals.
And I don't think about it too much. I don't
(24:17):
think he thinks about it too much. And he just
brings a bunch of stuff. I go, I love that.
I love that. Let's do that. We just put things
together and take pictures and then go, oh, I like that.
So it's not really that hard. I love Mark Jacobs.
That was the Mark Jacobs dress. He said, what about
red gloves and red tights and those shoes? I go, great,
(24:41):
Like it doesn't get thought out as much as you
think it might. When it feels right, it feels right.
I'm not super particular and I'm not super in my
head about it. I try to just go with my
gut and if I think something looks good and I
feel good in it.
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an unhinged question, Lisa, but I was in San Francisco
last week and I went to a drag show and
there was a drag queen impersonating you, which was incredible.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I love that so much. By the way, I love
it's so fun when people send me that. I love
to see it. I love to see it.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, I feel like it happens because you're so larger
than life when you put on the character. If you
were a drag queen, who would you impersonate?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Oh gosh, well, Erica jane Is would be great and
easy because she's over the job and big and yes,
you know. I had so much fun when I dressed
up as her for Halloween. So that was girl for sure.
I mean Liza Minelli, Barb streisand Elizabeth Taylor, you know,
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the big, iconic, strong, visually out there women.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Now part of your press tour that I liked.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I saw Watch What Happens Live and it seemed like
you and Andy Cohen kind of made up a little bit,
which I thought it was cool that you kind of
made up over this book.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Me too. I didn't expect it because I throw his
book in the fireplace and burn it, and I thought
it would be a problem. I thought it'd be an issue.
Right when I first got to see him really was
he did the hosting for the Traders reunion, so we
had a moment there when he said to me, I
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have read your book and I want you to know
that I am really sorry that I put your text
messages in my book because I had an issue he
said with Jeff Lewis, and Jeff Lewis was, you know,
talking about my text messages on his podcast and it
really pissed me off, and he said, I just want
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you to know I'm really sorry that I did that,
and that right there was such a big deal to
me that I thought, Wow, that's really cool that he
was able to connect that because it really didn't feel
good for him, and then he was able to apologize
to me. So that's what started it, I feel like.
And then I decided to go and watch what happens
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like because I really wasn't going to do that. I
just didn't want to kind of go back into that arena.
And then after that happened on the Traders, I thought,
maybe I need to do that, Maybe I need to
full circle just go there and see what happens. And yeah,
I didn't know what would happen really but I felt
better about it because he had apologized for that. And
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then when he said what he said on the show,
I was so moved by it because you know, he
really meant it, and he was really pointing out something
really that was really meaningful to him. And that translated
to me that I mattered and that I really meant
something to him in that eight year period, and so
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it was very very healing, I think for both of us.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I do I really like how you put that, because
when I watched that, I felt like he did mean
it too.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
He meant it, and it was more than just you know,
thank you for showing up to the two most important
events in my life. I really got what he meant
by it, and it really meant the world to me.
And he did it in a public forum, and you know,
it was a really cool moment and I will never
forget it.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Did writing the book repair or rupture any other relationships
in your life?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Oh? I'm sure ruptured a few, but they were already roptured,
so it doesn't matter. I mean, there was a ruptured
or ruptured, and you know, sometimes you just can't fix everything.
You can't fix relationships that the other side doesn't want
to fix, You can apologize. You can always clean up
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your side of the street, which I always do. By
the way, if they don't want to, that is not
on you. You just got to keep moving forward. So
that's what I do. So there was more prepare, more
repairing than rupturing, because the ones I talked about that
weren't great, they were already ruptured, so it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I thought I was going to ask you one unhinched question,
but I think I'm gonna be asking you to, uh,
what's the worst thing that you think someone is going
to do to your book?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And who's going to do it?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Because you burned Andy's book in your fireplace, I feel
like karmically something's gonna happen to your book, le SiGe out.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I'm sure it already has, maybe run over by like
a semi truck, run over by semi truck. You can
throw it in the ocean. You can throw it in
the lake. You can hit it with a baseball vall
you put it and like hit it with a baseball bat.
You could pound on it with a baseball bat.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Hilarious.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
You know there's many things you could do.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So you mentioned traders briefly and By the way, I
have the audio book, so I'm not doing anything to
your book, I promise, besides savoring it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
But we talked about Traders briefly, and it was your
big return to reality TV. I feel you like you
really subverted what the idea of a villain is and
you were like the people's trader.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Everyone was so obsessed with you in the show.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What tips or tools or tricks did you use from
your time at Real Housewives.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I didn't use emmy none, I no, I didn't use emmy.
My goal was to go on Traders and just be
my authentic self, not do anything other than what I
would do, whether I'm a faith or a trader. And
then once I became a trader, you know you have
to lie. You can't ever say what you are. You're backstabbing, lying, murdering, which,
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by the way, was heaven. I loved it so much.
I did. I just I think because I was having
such a good time. That's why the audience reacted the
way they did. I had the time in my life
and I just was being me in the moment playing
a trader, and it seemed to just connect to people.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I don't know, But what was so fun about it, Like,
why were you having such a good time?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know, because it's a game. I think the fact
that it's a game was very helpful to my psyche
because number one, you cannot take a game seriously. It
is not real life. It is nothing other than we
are playing a game. And for me, that is why
it came off the way it did. I truly believe
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that because I didn't take it seriously like it was
life or death. It's a game, playing a game. It's fun.
Games are fun.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
But you did sort of take the like the speech
that you gave when you were voted out, you did
take it seriously because you got emotional and you said
it was just so nice to be me, yes.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And so I really got emotional because also it is
just it's something that really cracked me open. After having
the experience that I had the last part of Housewives,
this was so amazing and joyous and I could be
myself and I knew that something had happened. I knew
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after I was done that the world would get to
see me in a much more authentic light. And I
was just super emotional about that because I didn't know
if that would ever happen for me. You know, I
never thought I would necessarily get a second chance to
express and show who I am. So it was almost
like this relief of like I don't have to like
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hold on to that anymore. I'm free.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Wow, I'm so happy you had that experience. That's really nice.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It was. It was really unexpected and yet so so fulfilling.
It really was because I was able to have all
my emotions about everything, and then I was like, listen,
Rob played a brilliant game. I can't be mad at him.
You know, he did what you're supposed to do as
a trader.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But you know what I'm hearing, and tell me if
I'm right or wrong?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Like you're so aware that reality TV is a job,
and so you are okay with people misunderstanding you, But
to feel like you were understood sounds like such a gift,
like you were kind of secretly longing for it.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Not even secretly. I was longing for it because it
can be very frustrating when you feel misrepresented, when you
feel like people think you're one way. It was really frustrating,
especially hard for me because I'm so much more and
I'm so not like what my last year on Housewives
was I mean, I was grieving for the loss of
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my mother and so to be labeled that for the
rest of my life I was really frustrated by. So
this was such a release that people got to see
me and embrace me for who I am.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Would you ever return to reality TV in a way
that people got to see more of who you really are?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Sure? I mean I never say never, except I won't
go back to Housewives. That's an ever. But I'm always
open to those kinds of experiences because you never know
what it could be. So yes, I am open to that.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
There's something I'm personally curious about that I want to
ask you a sort of a logistics question, which is
I've always been curious about reality TV, like the wait
time between filming and airing, and the same is actually
true for publishing, like you wrote the book and then
Traders aired, and then the book hit the shelves. Is
there anything that you feel differently about now, like something
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you would have written about.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I've evolved since I wrote the book. I'm not in
the same place that I was when I wrote the book.
There's been a lot of evolution, and I feel differently
about many things, and I would react differently in many ways,
and that's just the evolution of life. So yes to
all of that.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well, what would you have written about if Traders had
filmed before you stopped writing.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Well, I'm not sure I would have written anything differently.
I feel differently about certain things, Like I've evolved to
a place that maybe I was really worked up about
or really like deep into and now doesn't even register,
do you know what I mean? Like, I've outgrown a
lot of the situations that I had major, major feelings about,
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and now I don't feel the same way about it.
So I'm not sure I would write anything differently. I'm
just a different person now than when I wrote the book,
which I think is great, Like thank.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
God, right, I mean, it's part of the fact that
you love growth.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I actually sort of have this armchair theory that when
public figures don't evolve, that's when we get tired of them.
Like we allowed Howard Stern to stay in the zeitgeist.
I think because he evolved.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I think you're right about that. I do think you're
right about that. Absolutely. I'd never thought about that, but
now that you say it, I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
So it was so fun for me to read about
some of these old stories that you wrote about, like
Hollywood in the seventies and eighties and nineties, Like it
was just the people that you have met, Oh my god,
the people that you have been at dinner with.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Is there a story from like that?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Is there a story that didn't make the book but
it was just amazing and you had to leave it
on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I don't know. I really tell a lot of the
great stories. I mean, I'm sure there's there's so many.
Like in the nineties, there's so much and so many
parties we used to go to at the Davis's house
and you know, so much money spent, and Sylvester Stallone
is there and like all just made your people. Whitney
Houston is up singing. I saw Mariah Carrie sing probably
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her very first time on stage. Like wow. I can
tell you stories of those kinds of things, going to
these events and seeing these singers that are such icons
now that we're just you know, David Foster's there with
them giving them their first start, their first moment. I
have tons of those stories, and it was just a
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really incredible time. The nineties were amazing. I mean just amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So I have a friend whose husband was a party promoter,
which maybe is a red flag, but he's a good
guy now, and he was telling me that he felt
like social media changed his business because people used to
go to the clubs to see what people were wearing
and to see what the trends were, and with social media,
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you could you could see everything on your phone. You
didn't need to get up off the couch to see
what people were wearing. As some who's lived through what
I think is like the golden era of Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
What do you think social media has changed?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
And now you're kind of living it with your daughters,
I think you have such an interesting advantage point.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, I mean it has changed, and it's exactly that,
Like people aren't going out as much, people aren't drinking
as much. Like there's so many things that have changed,
because it's right at our fingertips. But I think what's
missing is going out and living life. I think people
are staying home, they're not dating as much, they're not
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meeting as many people, and I think that's that's a
shame and that's a problem. I think that they're just
not living as much and there's much more fear created,
I think from seeing it and not getting out and
living it.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Have you ever been starstreg Lisa, Oh my god, I'm
starstruck all the time.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Are you kidding me? I'm like a stupid little fan
from Medfred Oregon and oh I can act such a fool.
But I was more starstruck than I've ever been when
I met Tom Ford at I would to have any
fair party I talked about in the book, like twenty
seven years ago, and I'll never forget. You know, all
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these stars. There's Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and like
you name it, they're there. And all of a sudden,
I see tom Ford walk in and I grab Harry
and I go, oh, oh my god, tom Ford's here,
And of course I marched over and met him, and
like I there's certain people that just really get me,
and he was one of them, and shared you that
to me too.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
That is so cool.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Okay, I want to close out our conversation with a
little game. I heard that you're craving a big acting role,
so we're going to devise this gig for you.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Okay, are you.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
A killer a hot assassin? We're going to see so
let's first set the scene.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Where are we.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Budapest?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Ooh, what era? What decade are we in? And your character?
What's their cover job?
Speaker 3 (41:05):
She works in a bakery, but she's a spy. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
What's her signature outfit? What's her look?
Speaker 3 (41:14):
She's very androgynous and she wears like a is it
a page boy cap?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yes? And like a vest and trousers.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I love it. And how does she kill?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
What's her mode poison? Ooh, Lisa, Yeah, undetectable poison.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Now who does she kill?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Ex husbands who have have abused and cheated and and
like harassed their wives. She's a vigilantie. That's that's killing
the men that have abused women.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Does she ever get caught?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
No, I'm okay almost, but then she calls in love
with the FBI agent that almost catches her.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Oh, and she because I was gonna say, what's the twist?
But that's the twist. Lisa, there, you are amazing. You're
so much fun.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Thank you for this.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
You're so much fun. What a great interview. Thank you
so much. You were just delicious.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
You guys, this.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Week we are talking to an icon, Lisa F*cking Rinna. Now,
part of why Lisa is such an icon is that
there are so many places that you may know her
from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Traders Fashion Week, her
days as a soap opera star, her Veronica Mars season
where she played the wife of her real life husband
Harry Hamlin, and of course Lisa's new memoir You better
(00:38):
believe I'm going to talk about it. And honestly, the
title says it all because Lisa's never been someone who
holds back and this book doesn't either. But for someone
so used to being in the spotlight, Lisa still reveals
some new sides of herself in this book. She goes
there on what it felt like to go from a
housewife loved for her honesty to a franchise villain.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Booed on stage at Bravocon.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She talks about grieving the death of her mother while
cameras were rolling and the world was watching, and now
how she's learned to draw lines around her public and
private personas. So if you've ever wondered what it costs
to be totally and unapologetically yourself, or what it's like
to be famous, and if it's actually worth it, you're
in the right place. Let's turn the page with Lisa Rinna.
(01:25):
Lisa Rinna, welcome to the club.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Thank you, Hi, it's nice to finally be here.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You wrote a book. Now, I'm not a Virgo, so
I think this interview is going to go well. I
hope it does.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And it seems to be only Virgo women. I'm good
with Virgo men, so go figure.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
For anybody who hasn't read the book yet, there are
just lots of mentions about how you and Virgo women
just do not get along.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No exactly. Yeah, it's like oil and water and who
knows why.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So here's the thing, Lisa, I expected a lipcare brand
from you, and I was not so prized when you
became an absolute fashion diva.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But a book. When did you have time to write
a book?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, uh, listen, I do many things. I wrote a
couple of books. But back in like two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine, you know, early two thousands, and
I wasn't planning on writing a book, to be honest
with you. But the agents came to me and said,
we think that you have another book in you. And
I was like, I think I'm good. I don't think
I need to write another book. And they kept asking.
(02:30):
They were like, we think you have more to say,
just think about it. And so I, you know, I
don't write my own book. I have to have a
ghostwriter because I am not a writer, and that's just
the truth. So I said, let me meet with three
ghost writers, okay, and if I connect to one, I'll
do it. And so I met three different ghostwriters and
(02:51):
I connected to one, and I thought this would be fun.
I thought they had my voice, they had an idea
of who I am and my whole career. I just
took a risk and it turned out to be a
very cathartic, very great experience. I had so much fun
writing this book, and I've never had fun writing a
book before, so it was meant to happen. And I
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was able to tell like my side of things and
how I feel, and I'm really glad I did it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So out of all the titles that you've worn, which
you know there are so many author, Bravo housewife, actress, trader, mom,
wife of Harry Hamlin.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Is there one that you most identify with?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I mean just me being my authentic self.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But is there a difference between Lisa Rinna and Lisa
fucking Rinna.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yes, there is absolutely. Lisa Rinna is Lisa Rinna wears
leggings and you know, free city sweatpants, no makeup, looks
like a twelve year old boy, literally, that's the true.
And bucket hats and like baseball hats. I love the
zero makeup. Lisa fucking is a force to be reckoned
(04:02):
with has her hair, makeup done, comes out in her fashion.
And I would never run around as Lisa fucking Rinna.
I only run around as Lisa Rinna. But now it's
almost meshed together, and so I kind of can't escape
either one. It's just now out in the world. Doesn't
(04:23):
matter if I look like a twelve year old boy.
I still get people now coming up to me saying
Lisa fucking Rinna. So I think they intermeshed.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I ask because I feel like in the book you
wrote a lot about how you really approached housewives and
reality TV in general as a job, and so you
leaned into playing this character, which I kind of think
of as Lisa fucking Rinna. Yeah, and in the book,
you share her, but you really bear your soul too.
And I'm curious how it felt to be Lisa Rinna
(04:56):
and be so honest with people.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Vulnerable, super vulnerable, you know, scary, And I knew that
I had to do that, because when you're scared of something,
it's like I always know that that's the thing I
should do.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
What was scary about it.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's sharing parts of myself that I usually keep very private.
You know, I am a very private person, even though
it doesn't really seem like I am. It seems like
I'm really out there, but I am actually very private.
H So opening up and sharing that part of me
and talking about, you know, my feelings and what I've
(05:33):
been through was very vulnerable, very vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
What would you say was the most vulnerable chapter or share?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think the very first chapter when I share about
my mom's passing and what that was like and my
dad's passing, that for sure is the most vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know, those were my favorite parts because I got
to know your mom a little bit through Real Housewives.
When I watched, but when you write about her and
your dad and their dynamic, I had a whole new
understanding of who you were.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Oh, I love that, you know. That's what's been so
great and positive about this book is I think people
see me in a different way because you know, it's
only one way when you see me on Housewives, and
it's such a little tiny part, and so this book
has really helped people to see the real me and
all the different parts of me, which I'm really grateful for.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, we're on the street, as you're in a renaissance now,
and so besides being truly like a fashion icon, what
is the new era all about for you?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Well, it's just having such a good time, to be honest,
It's so fun and it's so filled with joy that
I think it's really all about that. It's all about
you know, our lives are really pretty short and you
really have to find out, like what excites you, what
moves you, what you really want to do and spend
your time doing. And I think that is what I'm doing,
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and so I'm having a ball. Fashion has just been
my favorite thing that I've ever done, and so I
feel so grateful and I'm just so excited by it,
and to be excited by anything at this age in
my life I think is amazing, like so cool. So
I'm having a ball. I think the renaissance is really
(07:20):
about joy and coming into myself and allowing whatever to be.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Do you feel like your daughters can feel that energy
from you because they're both in fashion as well, Like,
how is it for them to watch you go through
this renaissance and also for all three of you to
kind of be in the same industry now.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Well, first of all, I think they get a kick
out of it. I think they get a kick out
of me enjoying it so much, and that's so fun
that they get to see me again being my authentic self,
enjoying myself. And you know, I'm not sure if we
ask one hundred people if they would say, wow, I
really got to see my mom happy and doing what
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she really loves. I'm not sure many of them would
be able to say yes to that, you know, right,
And I think that it's really great for my daughters
not only to see that I'm doing this at the
age and stage that I'm at and that I don't
apologize for anything, and I think that they go, wow,
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she is free, she does whatever she wants. You know,
when you have kids, they're like little sponges. So her
and I've always tried to be really open and honest
and just like this is who we are, and they
know that they can come to us with anything and
you know, whatever it is. I think it's been fun
for everyone.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I sort of imagine you guys, like all practicing
your catwalk in the kitchen together.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Does that happen?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
We have done that. It's the most fun when you
see Amelia and Delilah kind of having a walk off
in the kitchen, like they'll do it with each other,
and it's I mean, come on, it's so fun. And
it's been so fun to see Amelia because she's really
been able to walk some major runways, major major runways,
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and she really has one of the great walks out
there right now as a model.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Did your girls read the book?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
No, neither one of them. Now this is funny. On Housewives,
there was a scene in Tokyo that I never will forget.
We're sitting around a table and I'm there with Erica
Jane and the girls bring up the fact that at
eleven they found my book in the living room at
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our place in Canada, and they one of their friends
found it. Of course, because they could have cared less.
You know, your kids. My kids don't care what I've
been on, what we've done in a movie, nothing like,
they don't care. We're mom and dad. So their friends
saw the book and was like oh, and she starts
reading it, and then the girls start to read the
chapter of course on sex, and oh they don't. They're
(10:02):
too scared to read the book because Millie was like,
I don't want to know anything about sex. I don't
want to know that you and dad have sex, and
I'm not reading the book. I was like, all right,
this one's safe.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
This one's safe. There's a lot about skincare I found
I have. There's a whole chapter about your closet. I
learned about your parents.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
You're safe, That's what I said. But she said, nope,
I'm not reading it. So at some point it will.
But Harry has read it. He read it twice and
it was really cute to watch him sitting out in
the backyard reading it, and he was really emotional because
he said, it's a snapshot of the last, you know,
thirty four or five years of our life, and so
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I loved to hear that.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
You know, I am curious.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
One of my favorite moments from your writing was when
you shared your decision and it was really a joint
decision between you and Harry to actually go on Housewives,
because he was vehemently against it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And then you said to him, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Paraphrasing that basically, like we could really make some money here.
And a day later he comes back and he's like, okay, Lisa,
but here are the rules, and he gave you some
ground rules.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Is he happy with his sort of choice? Because it
was pretty rough at the end.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
It was pretty rough at the end, and we all
acknowledged that and know that, but we all agree that
we wouldn't have changed it, and that it was great
for me and great for everybody in many many ways,
in many many ways. So the end of it was
was really hard and very very very turbulent, but up
(11:36):
to that point it was it was quite great. So
that's how he feels.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Did you tell Harry you were going to write a memoir?
You just did it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
He knew I was writing it, but nobody read it
or nobody knew really anything about it until it was done.
And printed. They were just like, oh, she's out there
doing a zoom, you know, doing her book. And I
did that for you know, it takes a long time
to write a book. It takes really like two years
from start to finish. So it's a long process and
everyone forgets about it until it's done and then you
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start to go out and do the press and whatnot.
Then it becomes back, it comes back into life, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I mean, he's like all over, under and around it.
So he was okay with being in the book. He
just didn't want to show up on Housewives.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
He just didn't want to show up on Housewives absolutely
five getting in the book. But you know, for him
as an actor, we had to protect his career. And
that's what I said going in. I said, you know,
he just cannot be a house husband on this show
because I don't want it to affect his career. And
what was really cool about Sherry Levine and Andy Cohen
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at that point, they agreed to it, and they don't
do that normally. You know, those husbands are being counted
on to be part of everything, and so I was
lucky enough to make a deal with them. They would
take him three times three times this season they could
get him three times. That was the deal. We always
gave him three times, and it worked out.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
There's this one story that not only did I tear
up when I heard you talk about it, but all
the producers on our show picked up on this story too.
And it's when you're on your first vacation with Harry
and the two of you have gone together and he
tries to take a photo of you.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Will you share the story with everybody?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I will never forget it show. We're in Tahiti and
it's beautiful and you know, amazing, and he went to
take a photo and again we have no cell phones,
no social media. It's one of those little, you know,
canon cameras. And I just stood there, like rambroad straight
and he goes do something like do something in the photo,
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and like do something. I was like, you know, I
was very reserved, you know, in many many ways, and
very insecure when I met. I know it's hard to believe,
but it's true. And so once he did that, I
was like, oh, okay, and then I just started to
like open up after that. It's almost like he gave
me permission to like express myself.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It feels like he's been doing that ever since. Because
you're one of the only marriages that have made it
through housewives.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
They're crazy, maybe one of the only for sure. Yeah,
it's true.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Do you feel like you're still finding out who you are?
Or do you know who Lisa Rinna is?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Now you know, I'm in therapy. I'm always searching. I'm
always digging deep because I know that I have a
lot of you know, I think we all have a
lot of childhood drama, trauma and drama and you know
whatever else, and so I think it's super important for
me to continue to evolve and find out who I
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am by being in therapy. It's super important to me.
So I have a good sense of who I am.
But no, I am still learning, I really am. I'm
learning why I react certain ways, what turns me on,
what moves me. And I love self reflection. I do.
So I'm I'm very happy to be in therapy looking
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at my life and what makes me triggered and what
makes me react the way I do, And I love
all that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It's actually very cool, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I'm thirty five, and so when I went through the
back catalog of your books, I was like, Wow, it's
amazing for me to read about a woman's life who's
gone through all of these transitions and motherhood and career transitions. Like,
I really do feel like we've you've been. You've showed us,
whether it was through your books or TV, what an
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evolution looks like over all these years.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Do you feel cool?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
That's cool that you that you get that. I love
that you get that. I love that well, you.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Know, like sometimes you don't get to know your mom
through those transitions, right, And so to like read about
other women's stories, I think is so helpful.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Do you ever surprise yourself?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I surprise myself all the time, in good ways and
bad ways. About that. I probably surprise myself more in
something that I do. And I'm like, oh my god,
you know, I can't believe I just said that. I
can't believe I can surprise daily bye everything, you know.
And I think that's a great way to live, to
be curious all the time. I'm still like a five
(16:28):
year old that is just like and what about this?
And what about this?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Do you think you take yourself more or less seriously
than the public does?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Oh way less seriously. I do not take myself seriously.
The public takes me so serious it's crazy. Yeah, I
wouldn't want to take myself as serious as the public
takes me like. I'm not afraid to look like a fool.
I love to be self deprecating about myself, and I
like to make fun of myself because if I can't,
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who can.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You made me think about something. You know, when you
had to grieve your mom in public? Did grieving in
public make you reconsider fame at all?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It's very difficult. I have to say it was extremely
difficult to grieve in public. And you know what I've
learned from it. I think somebody grieving is too painful
and it triggers everybody else's grief and they don't want
to see it, you know, the viewers, the housewives. No
one wants to deal with grief. And I was a
(17:33):
walking grief monster, right, I was just like grief. And
I just think that that's why I got so pushed away.
It's because nobody wants to feel grief. And I don't
blame them, but I think, truly that's what happened the
last season. And of course I was like acting out
and you know, raging and angry, and you know whatever
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grief does to one, but I think it just was
too painful for people to see it, and they rather
escape and watch, you know, people being stupid and fighting.
Was too painful for everybody involved. I think it's.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Actually a really good take. I haven't thought about that.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's what I got. It's just too painful. It's like,
I know she's grieving, I know she lost her mom,
and I just don't want to feel that. It's too
fucking painful. And I now I understand it. I understand
what the reaction was because you know, when you look
back at all the episodes, I really am not that
(18:32):
much different my eighth season. I'm really not. But whatever
the label of grief gave me, it was like, no, buena,
we do not like you. We don't like how you're
talking to the other women. You're an evil villain, and
we just don't want you here. And that that was
the reaction. And I think maybe if I hadn't gone
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through that and wasn't grieving, it would have been very different.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So after the final season on Housewives, you walk onto
the Bravo con stage and you got booed by the audience,
which you write about, but you do something interesting, which
is instead of letting it hurt you, you kind of
flip them off. You play into it like pro wrestling,
like you were a WWE character, and the audience ate
(19:21):
it up. Why do you think that we love villains
the most.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, first of all, they have the most fun. It's true.
And I think you know that's where it went off
on Housewives, because the villains drive the show. That's really
why you're tuning in. But it got it got really
messed up on Housewives because instead of having it be
like a good sporting event, they really hated you in
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a way that they wanted to get rid of you
and kill you and like all this weird stuff. Instead
of just really enjoying hating you as the villain, but
in a healthy way, if you know what I mean, Like, ah,
she just makes me so mad, but I just love it,
it went the other way, and I just it was
a shame because that's the most fun when you have
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a villain. And every time they run the villains off
the show, the fan base goes, oh, it's so boring,
I just hate the show. Well, it's because you get
rid of all the people that are doing the job
of making the show. Great. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That's actually so well said.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thanks, thank you. That's what I noticed because listen, without
somebody that is stirring the pot or creating friction, you
have nothing going on, and.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So you need the hero's journey.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, so you know, you can go down and you
can go up, you know, all of it. That's that's
what everybody should just embrace. You know, it's a TV
show that you're there to root for people. It's like
having teams. You know, I like this team, you like
that team. But when it gets dark and weird and
I hate this person and I wish they would die, Like,
(21:03):
that's another level that is really unfortunate, and I think
it's really hurt the franchise because it's just not that deep.
It's a freaking TV show.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, well said.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
On the other hand, we have a book which is
very serious business. Give me a little QBC moment for
you better believe I'm going to talk about it. If
you like X, you will like this memoir. It can
be a TV moment, a meme.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Anything, well I need.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
If you like my Instagram, if you follow me on Instagram,
if you like all the memes that you've seen about
me over the years. If you liked the eminem if
you like the "It's couture honey, look at the tag." If
you like "were people doing coke in your bathroom?" If
you like "you better believe I'm gonna talk about it," Or
(21:54):
"why am I here? I'm more fabulous than this," then
you will love this book because I just go into
everything and I just pade a picture over the last
I don't know, thirty five years of my life, and
I think that you will be moved, you will laugh.
The audiobook I do myself, and I will say it's
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it's pretty darned good because I've never done an audiobook before.
And if you want to listen to me telling these stories,
I think it's a home run. And I think that
you're gonna laugh, you're gonna cry, and by the way,
you're just gonna have a good time. So it'll make
you feel good. And whether you listen to it or
read it, it will be an added bonus to your
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book collection.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And what's the best way for people to read the memoir?
Do they need to be like kicked back on the
couch with a drink in hand, a xanax?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
What are we talking?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Well, it's cute because people send me photos of themselves
with the book, and I think the ones I like
the best are they're out on a pool, buy a
pool at the beach with a cocktail. That's how it
is so cute? Is it cute? Oh my gosh. People
send me just pictures of the audio book like they
just want to share, like what chapter they loved or
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where they're reading it. It's so cute. I love it.
But I think the ones that are like out by
a pool, you know, because the weather's been so horrible,
it makes me go, oh, they're having a good time.
Oh that's great, they're on vacation.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Okay, what's something that you're so obsessed with that you
could write a whole book about it but you probably won't.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, fashion, all the designers, the history of fashion. Yeah,
the history of fashion. I mean I just go on
and on and on and on and on. I'm so
moved by it. I love it so much.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I feel like we do have to talk about the
fashion on your book cover because your fashion archive is
very elite. I saw that on the show you were
letting your daughters try on old dresses like you're old versace. Yeah,
tell me about the look from your book cover. What
was the inspo and what was the mood board?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Like there was a lot of pressure, like how am
I gonna come up with this after the whole run
of fashion? Right? Like, We've had a really good run
of all the fashion. And I work with Daniel Brown,
who's my stylist, and we're just really good together creating visuals.
And I don't think about it too much. I don't
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think he thinks about it too much. And he just
brings a bunch of stuff. I go, I love that.
I love that. Let's do that. We just put things
together and take pictures and then go, oh, I like that.
So it's not really that hard. I love Mark Jacobs.
That was the Mark Jacobs dress. He said, what about
red gloves and red tights and those shoes? I go, great,
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Like it doesn't get thought out as much as you
think it might. When it feels right, it feels right.
I'm not super particular and I'm not super in my
head about it. I try to just go with my
gut and if I think something looks good and I
feel good in it.
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(26:13):
an unhinged question, Lisa, but I was in San Francisco
last week and I went to a drag show and
there was a drag queen impersonating you, which was incredible.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I love that so much. By the way, I love
it's so fun when people send me that. I love
to see it. I love to see it.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, I feel like it happens because you're so larger
than life when you put on the character. If you
were a drag queen, who would you impersonate?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Oh gosh, well, Erica jane Is would be great and
easy because she's over the job and big and yes,
you know. I had so much fun when I dressed
up as her for Halloween. So that was girl for sure.
I mean Liza Minelli, Barb streisand Elizabeth Taylor, you know,
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the big, iconic, strong, visually out there women.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Now part of your press tour that I liked.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I saw Watch What Happens Live and it seemed like
you and Andy Cohen kind of made up a little bit,
which I thought it was cool that you kind of
made up over this book.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Me too. I didn't expect it because I throw his
book in the fireplace and burn it, and I thought
it would be a problem. I thought it'd be an issue.
Right when I first got to see him really was
he did the hosting for the Traders reunion, so we
had a moment there when he said to me, I
(27:47):
have read your book and I want you to know
that I am really sorry that I put your text
messages in my book because I had an issue he
said with Jeff Lewis, and Jeff Lewis was, you know,
talking about my text messages on his podcast and it
really pissed me off, and he said, I just want
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you to know I'm really sorry that I did that,
and that right there was such a big deal to
me that I thought, Wow, that's really cool that he
was able to connect that because it really didn't feel
good for him, and then he was able to apologize
to me. So that's what started it, I feel like.
And then I decided to go and watch what happens
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like because I really wasn't going to do that. I
just didn't want to kind of go back into that arena.
And then after that happened on the Traders, I thought,
maybe I need to do that, Maybe I need to
full circle just go there and see what happens. And yeah,
I didn't know what would happen really but I felt
better about it because he had apologized for that. And
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then when he said what he said on the show,
I was so moved by it because you know, he
really meant it, and he was really pointing out something
really that was really meaningful to him. And that translated
to me that I mattered and that I really meant
something to him in that eight year period, and so
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it was very very healing, I think for both of us.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I do I really like how you put that, because
when I watched that, I felt like he did mean
it too.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
He meant it, and it was more than just you know,
thank you for showing up to the two most important
events in my life. I really got what he meant
by it, and it really meant the world to me.
And he did it in a public forum, and you know,
it was a really cool moment and I will never
forget it.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Did writing the book repair or rupture any other relationships
in your life?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Oh? I'm sure ruptured a few, but they were already roptured,
so it doesn't matter. I mean, there was a ruptured
or ruptured, and you know, sometimes you just can't fix everything.
You can't fix relationships that the other side doesn't want
to fix, You can apologize. You can always clean up
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your side of the street, which I always do. By
the way, if they don't want to, that is not
on you. You just got to keep moving forward. So
that's what I do. So there was more prepare, more
repairing than rupturing, because the ones I talked about that
weren't great, they were already ruptured, so it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I thought I was going to ask you one unhinched question,
but I think I'm gonna be asking you to, uh,
what's the worst thing that you think someone is going
to do to your book?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And who's going to do it?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Because you burned Andy's book in your fireplace, I feel
like karmically something's gonna happen to your book, le SiGe out.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I'm sure it already has, maybe run over by like
a semi truck, run over by semi truck. You can
throw it in the ocean. You can throw it in
the lake. You can hit it with a baseball vall
you put it and like hit it with a baseball bat.
You could pound on it with a baseball bat.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Hilarious.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
You know there's many things you could do.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So you mentioned traders briefly and By the way, I
have the audio book, so I'm not doing anything to
your book, I promise, besides savoring it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
But we talked about Traders briefly, and it was your
big return to reality TV. I feel you like you
really subverted what the idea of a villain is and
you were like the people's trader.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Everyone was so obsessed with you in the show.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What tips or tools or tricks did you use from
your time at Real Housewives.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I didn't use emmy none, I no, I didn't use emmy.
My goal was to go on Traders and just be
my authentic self, not do anything other than what I
would do, whether I'm a faith or a trader. And
then once I became a trader, you know you have
to lie. You can't ever say what you are. You're backstabbing, lying, murdering, which,
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by the way, was heaven. I loved it so much.
I did. I just I think because I was having
such a good time. That's why the audience reacted the
way they did. I had the time in my life
and I just was being me in the moment playing
a trader, and it seemed to just connect to people.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I don't know, But what was so fun about it, Like,
why were you having such a good time?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know, because it's a game. I think the fact
that it's a game was very helpful to my psyche
because number one, you cannot take a game seriously. It
is not real life. It is nothing other than we
are playing a game. And for me, that is why
it came off the way it did. I truly believe
(32:46):
that because I didn't take it seriously like it was
life or death. It's a game, playing a game. It's fun.
Games are fun.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
But you did sort of take the like the speech
that you gave when you were voted out, you did
take it seriously because you got emotional and you said
it was just so nice to be me, yes.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And so I really got emotional because also it is
just it's something that really cracked me open. After having
the experience that I had the last part of Housewives,
this was so amazing and joyous and I could be
myself and I knew that something had happened. I knew
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after I was done that the world would get to
see me in a much more authentic light. And I
was just super emotional about that because I didn't know
if that would ever happen for me. You know, I
never thought I would necessarily get a second chance to
express and show who I am. So it was almost
like this relief of like I don't have to like
(33:50):
hold on to that anymore. I'm free.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Wow, I'm so happy you had that experience. That's really nice.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It was. It was really unexpected and yet so so fulfilling.
It really was because I was able to have all
my emotions about everything, and then I was like, listen,
Rob played a brilliant game. I can't be mad at him.
You know, he did what you're supposed to do as
a trader.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But you know what I'm hearing, and tell me if
I'm right or wrong?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Like you're so aware that reality TV is a job,
and so you are okay with people misunderstanding you, But
to feel like you were understood sounds like such a gift,
like you were kind of secretly longing for it.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Not even secretly. I was longing for it because it
can be very frustrating when you feel misrepresented, when you
feel like people think you're one way. It was really frustrating,
especially hard for me because I'm so much more and
I'm so not like what my last year on Housewives
was I mean, I was grieving for the loss of
(34:55):
my mother and so to be labeled that for the
rest of my life I was really frustrated by. So
this was such a release that people got to see
me and embrace me for who I am.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Would you ever return to reality TV in a way
that people got to see more of who you really are?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Sure? I mean I never say never, except I won't
go back to Housewives. That's an ever. But I'm always
open to those kinds of experiences because you never know
what it could be. So yes, I am open to that.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
There's something I'm personally curious about that I want to
ask you a sort of a logistics question, which is
I've always been curious about reality TV, like the wait
time between filming and airing, and the same is actually
true for publishing, like you wrote the book and then
Traders aired, and then the book hit the shelves. Is
there anything that you feel differently about now, like something
(35:50):
you would have written about.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I've evolved since I wrote the book. I'm not in
the same place that I was when I wrote the book.
There's been a lot of evolution, and I feel differently
about many things, and I would react differently in many ways,
and that's just the evolution of life. So yes to
all of that.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well, what would you have written about if Traders had
filmed before you stopped writing.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Well, I'm not sure I would have written anything differently.
I feel differently about certain things, Like I've evolved to
a place that maybe I was really worked up about
or really like deep into and now doesn't even register,
do you know what I mean? Like, I've outgrown a
lot of the situations that I had major, major feelings about,
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and now I don't feel the same way about it.
So I'm not sure I would write anything differently. I'm
just a different person now than when I wrote the book,
which I think is great, Like thank.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
God, right, I mean, it's part of the fact that
you love growth.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I actually sort of have this armchair theory that when
public figures don't evolve, that's when we get tired of them.
Like we allowed Howard Stern to stay in the zeitgeist.
I think because he evolved.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I think you're right about that. I do think you're
right about that. Absolutely. I'd never thought about that, but
now that you say it, I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
So it was so fun for me to read about
some of these old stories that you wrote about, like
Hollywood in the seventies and eighties and nineties, Like it
was just the people that you have met, Oh my god,
the people that you have been at dinner with.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Is there a story from like that?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Is there a story that didn't make the book but
it was just amazing and you had to leave it
on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I don't know. I really tell a lot of the
great stories. I mean, I'm sure there's there's so many.
Like in the nineties, there's so much and so many
parties we used to go to at the Davis's house
and you know, so much money spent, and Sylvester Stallone
is there and like all just made your people. Whitney
Houston is up singing. I saw Mariah Carrie sing probably
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her very first time on stage. Like wow. I can
tell you stories of those kinds of things, going to
these events and seeing these singers that are such icons
now that we're just you know, David Foster's there with
them giving them their first start, their first moment. I
have tons of those stories, and it was just a
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really incredible time. The nineties were amazing. I mean just amazing.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So I have a friend whose husband was a party promoter,
which maybe is a red flag, but he's a good
guy now, and he was telling me that he felt
like social media changed his business because people used to
go to the clubs to see what people were wearing
and to see what the trends were, and with social media,
(38:53):
you could you could see everything on your phone. You
didn't need to get up off the couch to see
what people were wearing. As some who's lived through what
I think is like the golden era of Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
What do you think social media has changed?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
And now you're kind of living it with your daughters,
I think you have such an interesting advantage point.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, I mean it has changed, and it's exactly that,
Like people aren't going out as much, people aren't drinking
as much. Like there's so many things that have changed,
because it's right at our fingertips. But I think what's
missing is going out and living life. I think people
are staying home, they're not dating as much, they're not
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meeting as many people, and I think that's that's a
shame and that's a problem. I think that they're just
not living as much and there's much more fear created,
I think from seeing it and not getting out and
living it.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Have you ever been starstreg Lisa, Oh my god, I'm
starstruck all the time.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Are you kidding me? I'm like a stupid little fan
from Medfred Oregon and oh I can act such a fool.
But I was more starstruck than I've ever been when
I met Tom Ford at I would to have any
fair party I talked about in the book, like twenty
seven years ago, and I'll never forget. You know, all
(40:13):
these stars. There's Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and like
you name it, they're there. And all of a sudden,
I see tom Ford walk in and I grab Harry
and I go, oh, oh my god, tom Ford's here,
And of course I marched over and met him, and
like I there's certain people that just really get me,
and he was one of them, and shared you that
to me too.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
That is so cool.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Okay, I want to close out our conversation with a
little game. I heard that you're craving a big acting role,
so we're going to devise this gig for you.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Okay, are you.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
A killer a hot assassin? We're going to see so
let's first set the scene.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Where are we.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Budapest?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Ooh, what era? What decade are we in? And your character?
What's their cover job?
Speaker 3 (41:05):
She works in a bakery, but she's a spy. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
What's her signature outfit? What's her look?
Speaker 3 (41:14):
She's very androgynous and she wears like a is it
a page boy cap?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yes? And like a vest and trousers.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I love it. And how does she kill?
Speaker 3 (41:30):
What's her mode poison? Ooh, Lisa, Yeah, undetectable poison.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Now who does she kill?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Ex husbands who have have abused and cheated and and
like harassed their wives. She's a vigilantie. That's that's killing
the men that have abused women.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Does she ever get caught?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
No, I'm okay almost, but then she calls in love
with the FBI agent that almost catches her.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Oh, and she because I was gonna say, what's the twist?
But that's the twist. Lisa, there, you are amazing. You're
so much fun.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Thank you for this.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
You're so much fun. What a great interview. Thank you
so much. You were just delicious.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
That's it for this episode of Bookmarked by Reese's book Club.
Our phone line is now open, So if you want
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Speaker 2 (43:06):
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(43:28):
a production of Hello, Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts. Executive produced
by Reese Witherspoon and me Danielle Robe. Production by Acast
Creative Studios. Our producers are Matty Foley, Brittany Martinez, and
Sarah Schleid. Our editor is Carmen Borca Carrillo. Our production
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