Scrubbing Off the Vine

Kaitlyn Bristowe in the OR with hospital privileges as a visiting guest physician! She and Becca relive some of their favorite memories from Chris Soules’ season.  Find out why Kaitlyn thought she was the villain.

She opens up about how things are going with Shawn Booth a year after their break-up.

Plus, she tells us how she’s feeling heading into competition on Dancing with the Stars! Could we have a back to back Bachelorette win??

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad and I
Heart Radio and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast.
Hello everybody, We're scrubbing in and we have a guest host.
Tanya is out of town, but I have found a
redeemable co host for the week. We have Caitlyn Bristow

(00:25):
scrubbing in. Scrubbing in. I now know what scrubbing in means.
It's so funny because most of them listen to Off
the Vine. So yeah, yeah, they're all They're all are
part of our family. I feel like, yeah, we're just
one big weird family. This crossover was bound to happen

(00:46):
at some point. It's a remake scrubbing off the Vine.
Grubbing off the Vine. I like that you should do this. Yeah.
I was just saying, like, you've been on your been
making the podcast rounds this week, so I feel like
you've probably talked about a lot of different things with them.
But we're gonna make this unique to today's podcast. Yeah,

(01:10):
just scrubbing off the mine. It's gonna be unique, it's
gonna be different. We're gonna make some headlines. It's going
to be a part. I'm gonna have TMZ, just like
article after article all over you. Well, that's the thing.
It's so funny because I'm like I kind of got
into a place where I was like, I'm not really
ever a guest on People's podcast, and then the news
comes out and I'm like, I get to make my
rounds again. I know. Well, I mean it was like

(01:34):
back to back to back, all this exciting stuff happening
for you. It's like you come out with a single,
like you're now your season ree airs, then you're announced
on that episode to be on Dantum of the Stars.
Like there's a lot happening in your world. I know.
I feel like I've done a lot of what I

(01:54):
like to call universe walks, where I take the dogs
on a walk late at night. Sometimes I put wine
to my to go cup and I just speak to
the universe and ask for things that I want to do.
I mean, realistically, because we've had so many commonversations. I mean,
going back to the post Bachelorette about you being one
dancing with the stars and then not giving you the opportunity,

(02:15):
and then this like full circle. I mean, how many
years has it been since that? It was five years?
It was I mean, yeah, five years ago. And it's
funny because I still have the casting director's number in
my phone. And so the last text that I sent
her when she was she wrote me and she was like,

(02:35):
finally we could talk about this and blah blah. And
I looked at my last text was really Nick, because
I was told no, no, Calin, You're not going on
the show, and nobody from our franchise is going to
go on Dancing with the Stars anymore. And then sure enough,

(02:55):
but Nick's weasels his way into with the Stars in
my text was just like, really, Nick, Well, I remember,
I like, it's so funny, you know, thinking about the
call of when you became the Bachelorette and knew that
it was gonna be in Britain. How like weird? That
was like I was not like mentally in a good

(03:16):
place to be told that I was not ready for
that bomb to be dropped on me. And then after
the season being like so excited with the opportunity to
me that maybe you could, you know, because that had
happened for the bachelor's right, No, no bachelorette has had
been well, Trista did. She was the very first season,

(03:37):
but they were like trying, not that she didn't deserve it.
She fully does. I feel like she still does. But
they were trying to, like it was the first season
of Dancing with the Stars, so it was like, you know,
ABC and ABC, and they, like um, wanted to create
some hype around it. But I think she sadly didn't
last very long. And I feel like she's a good dancer, yeah,
because she was a wasn't she a cheerleader a dancer
for a professional Yeah, maybe I'm lying. Maybe she did

(03:59):
make it far, but for some reason, I remember her
saying she didn't. But I'll have to fact check that one.
After that, It wasn't until Hannah right right. Yeah, it's
so crazy because yeah, I mean, it made so much
sense for you to go in that role because you
are a dancer, right, Yeah, they did, Shan Lowe, Um,
Chris souls Nick Um. I know that. They also I

(04:23):
think they gave the opportunity to bend, but they also said, like, oh,
or you could have your own reality show with Lauren,
So I think that was the road they took. Um.
And then I actually just remember this this, I mean,
this was the least they could have done for Melissa Ryecroft,
but she got dumped on national television and picked and
then she got to go and dance with the Stars
and she was a dancer. Actually she won the All

(04:43):
Star season. Wait, and then wasn't she a host in
the Stars? Did she host or something? I don't know,
I remember her being involved. Maybe she was just on
the All Stars season. But I mean, I I'm exciting
because I feel like we might have back to back
the Bachelorette winners. Oh my gosh, I want to like

(05:03):
keep the torch alive, Like, pass me the torch, I'll
take it for you. Um. I keep telling myself because
I like to um self um sabotage. So so I
keep being like, well, there's no way they're gonna allow
to back to back batchelretts to win. And Jason's like,
maybe people don't see you as Batchel Red anymore. Maybe

(05:24):
you're like the podcast host or other things. And I
was like, I'd still just started, like that's how I
got my started everything. And so I keep telling myself
all these lies in my head about how I'm not
gonna win, because that just makes it softened the blow
when I don't want when I go home night one
for being the drunkard I just started. Um. I just
started therapy a couple of weeks ago. It has been great,

(05:47):
and um, she was. She's been talking to me about
like having realistic expectations but not making them like negative,
but also not expecting too much out of people in general.
So I I don't I don't think you should go
into it with that mindset, but just be like, I'm
gonna crush it. I'm a dancer, I have a chance

(06:09):
to win this, and I'm gonna be in the best
shape of my life. Yeah. Really, well that's what I'm trying.
I'm trying to have that mentality. I too. I actually
came from my therapist to this podcast right now, and
so I had the same conversations with her about like
my negative self talk and how I like, this is
what Caitlin does, Um, I do this like in anything

(06:31):
exciting for I just I'm like the worst case scenario,
that's that's what's gonna happen. Um. And then I'm like, well,
that way I don't disappoint myself. And but yeah, I
have to have a better attitude going in. But I
figured out what aniagram number are you? I'm a nine like, fully,
it's horrible. Okay, I think I know a little bit

(06:51):
about nine. That's not horrible. I mean, there's horrible number,
but take on. I I like want to make sure
everyone's pleased with me and have you. It's like exhausting
and it has its amazing quality, like I you know,
I'm happy to be a nine, but it is right now,
especially lately, it's been exhausting. Yeah, because there's always like,

(07:13):
you know, the impaired way of thinking in the healthy
way of thinking and whatever. And I am like, I
am a three and a four, which is really not
good because that just means I'm like like I lay
all of my emotions out on the table. And I'm
also like super competitive as part of it. So I'm like, okay,
that will be good for dancing. I'm good. But like

(07:35):
she's like, yeah, but like maybe in a healthy way,
could you be competitive? And I was like, well, I
hate anyone who beats me. Uh no. But I'm trying
to learn more about what being a three or four.
I'm a four with a three wing, but like a
strong three. Wait, so what is is three? Which one
is three the achiever? And then what's four? I don't
know the emotional disaster. I don't know. I'm gonna google it. Wait,

(08:00):
so you're a three wing four? No, I'm a four
wing with a three four with a three wing, I
don't know if I know what my does. Everyone have
a wing. Everyone has a wing. I think I feel
I'm so competitive, so I almost feel like I might
be a three Three way fours are self aware, sensitive,
and reserved, which is like, not really me. I'm not reserved.

(08:22):
I can be. They're emotionally honest, creative, and personal, but
also can be moody and self conscious, and that that's me.
I feel like you're sensitive though I'm very sensitive. I
I almost feel because I'm I'm really sensitive to And
I also feel like it's about you, like you have

(08:47):
to develop a thicker skin or you won't survivors. It's
really dark sometimes it's so dark. It's so dark. That's
that's what I'm a little bit worried about. Is um
We're talking about like my fears of going back on TV,
and I said, I'm just like over people being so

(09:08):
critical for no reason. Like I understand if you're like,
oh I didn't think you danced the greatest tonight, but
like still wishing you could look Okay, that's fine, I
can handle that, but when you're like you you look disgusting,
eat a cheeseburger and blah blah blah, like and they're
just harsh and they're like if they say harsh words,
I'm like, that really hurts my fo I mean, yeah,

(09:30):
even but even to me, even though so to me,
I'm like, why do you even have to say I
don't think you danced your best? Like what does that
benefit from a stranger to a stranger? And they're clearly
just trying to get to me, So why do I
let them have that power? I'm not too sure, Like
it's I don't know, it's all crazy, but it's that

(09:51):
was one of my fears of going back on, and
I'm just like trying to work on like letting that
crap go, because I go through phases where sometimes it
like it could I laugh it. I think it's hilarious,
probably one of all my period or something. But it's
like I laugh at it, and then other times I'm
like sick to my stomach about it, I know. And
it's like I had a conversation with someone yesterday and

(10:12):
it literally through the night. I finally just had to
like take cb D to chill out because I couldn't.
I'm so anxious about this one conversation, and I was like,
why do I let people that don't know me, or
that I don't really like, need or care about their opinion?
Why do I let it take over mine brain like that?

(10:35):
It's it's such an easy question to ask why, but
it's so hard to like then practice like letting it go.
What does your therapist say about that? You just send
me a list for next time? Yeah, she's My therapist
is hilarious because she's like she she just like cuts
to the court. She just gets to the point, like

(10:56):
she she just said something like those people like you know,
the obvious, those people are so sad and like they're
just looking for anything. You're this like I'm not gonna
pump my own tires, but they're like you've got this
going down in this and this and this, and they're
literally just sitting at home wishing they had what you had.
It's the only reason they come after you like that,

(11:16):
like there's no other reason. And so it's like, why
don't we just feel sorry for them and be like
can we just give you? Like a social distance hug,
like a hug, yeah, because really, if you just give
them the thirty second hug. I think it's the thirty
seconds that like releases whatever it is in a hug
that calms you down, if they could just feel a
you know, hug from the screen. But I do have

(11:39):
to say, I feel like, um, just this past year,
how long have you been with Jason a year and
a half, Okay, I have seen like such a difference
in just like your confidence and who you are as
a person that I didn't even realize it wasn't there
until I saw it again, because I saw it when

(12:00):
I was with you on the show. I saw it
through like Bachelorette and post show. But then there was
just this time, And I mean I would get messages
all the time of people being like are you and
Kaylin still friends? Like what's the deal? Why don't you
ever like associate with each other talk? And it was
weird because like we didn't talk a lot, and it
was just kind of like we didn't have this connection.

(12:21):
I guess that we had had and I didn't know
where you were in your relationship with Sean at the
time or what. But I do feel like you're just
like happy, and there's this confidence and effortlessness about who
you are as a person, which is I mean, I
it's so cool to see from someone. Yeah, thanks for
saying that, because I think I kind of pushed away

(12:42):
a lot of friendships or like I was just kind
of it's the same thing for me. I didn't realize
how miserable I really was, or how like out of
touch I was with myself and my confidence until um
And I'm not not trying to obviously blame Sean, but
I think that was a big part of I felt
a lot of shame in the last few years from

(13:03):
the show. I felt a lot of insecurities. I didn't
feel safe in the relationship. I was like constantly working
on myself, constantly going to therapy to like try and
not feel those things. But I'm obviously coming home to
them all the time, and and then I'm the kind
of person that I'm not. I don't think with logic,
So if he's going to be a certain way, I'm

(13:25):
going to meet him in his unhealthy way of thinking.
I'm to meet him there instead of just like thinking
with logic, I react with emotion and I'll meet him
wherever he was, and he was the same thing with me,
and that obviously doesn't work. And just from like, you know,
it's three and a half years of feeling shame and
like I don't deserve love from him, and I knew
that wasn't right, but that's constantly what I was feeling

(13:46):
for three and a half years. And I do think
I was starting to go down that whole road that
I've been down before of losing myself and trying to
rely on somebody else for my happiness. So I think
once that you rid yourself of that kind of energy
and you see your potential, it was crazy how many
things kind of just fell into place once that was
that energy was gone. Yeah, I do you feel like
that was like that happened because of how like when

(14:11):
your season aired at your whole storyline and then the
next up was so controversial and then people kind of
put this like label on you, And then I feel like,
did did you carry that into the relationship and you
just felt like you couldn't escape with that, like because
you had so much success and people loved you like
it was it's hard to imagine you feeling like you

(14:32):
didn't deserve love because you were so loved from not
just the audience, but like everyone who knows you. So
it's it's interesting to know that you went into that
relationship never having that light feeling like you deserved it
or that you were caught up, if that makes sense.
I never felt like I deserved it, like or I
think I knew deep down I did, but I never

(14:54):
was made to feel like I deserved that. It was
it was always like how could you and why would you?
And I would never do that and like always, like
for three and a half years, it was it was
a lot of that. So um, but I I didn't
even feel like loved by other people though because I
got I think the hate was so loud after my
season because of the controversy. Controversial controversy. But it's crazy

(15:18):
because they really did make the whole storyline like Caitlyn Nick,
Caitlin Nick and Sean and that was it took away
from a lot of like really special moments with the
person I end up getting engaged too. And so um,
it's just interesting because I said this to Nick and
Sean would hate this, but I find it so true.
Um is that I think because Ben and Ben was

(15:39):
right there, you know in the top three, And I've
said many times that I actually at one point felt
stronger for Ben than I did for Nick and whatever.
And Sean was good friends with Ben, so I think
I think they just saw a lot of each other,
like I thought Nick saw himself and Sean, and Sean
saw himself and Nick, and I think that's why they
they bought heads. And it made me angry because I'm like,

(16:01):
I don't even think this is about me anymore. I
don't even think I have anything to do this. It's
it's about you guys, and I'm just to blame. Yeah, well,
you were like an easy target to blame because you
were I was a very easy turn in that position.
But it is funny because my like, I have some
friends who love The Bachelor, and there you're like their

(16:22):
number one. They loved you, they loved your season. They
loved because you kind of paved the way for for
everyone to have a stronger voice as a female lead.
You know, like, it's always hard being the first one.
And I read a clothe the other day that was like,
it's always hard being the one to break the being
the first one to break the patterns. You know, I

(16:44):
think it was a lot it was speaking about like
family patterns and stuff like that, but it's so true,
like being the first one to pave the way is
not It's not you didn't even realize what I was doing.
It's like it I didn't realize how I mean, it
wasn't easy during filming, but it really wasn't easy after
everything had happened, and it was It's just so funny

(17:05):
to remember being so bullied online for having sex into
like Hannah and people raising the roof and celebrating her,
and that's and that made me happy because some people
were tweeting me being like, oh my gosh, does this
make you so mad, like that you didn't get this
kind of treatment. I was like, no, this makes me happy.
This means people are evolving and like people watching are

(17:29):
being more accepting, and it means that I had a
part in that, and that makes me so happy. Yeah,
I mean, that's exactly I think a lot of That's
how I mean, that's how I need it. When I
started thinking about especially what rewatching your season on the recap,
it was like, oh wow, this was the kind of
the start of of kind of a woman feeling empower

(17:50):
on the show. When it's never felt that way before. Yeah,
but you know what, I actually felt a little bit
empowered by Andy watching her season because she was kind
of like a no, it's not okay, like and she
kind of put her foot down and she was kind
of a badass, and I remember thinking, Oh, that's cool.
I don't don't feel like they usually like girls like that.
And I was kind of like, going into my season,

(18:11):
I'm like, well, maybe they maybe I will have a
chance because I'm pretty edgy. Well I didn't. I The
first season I ever watched was Chris this season that
we were on, So I should go back and watch
those episodes because I love Vandal. You're missing some good TV.
A tough cookie. So you and shown both of in Nashville.

(18:45):
You're Jason, Do you ever run into each other? We
have never won? What do I play the scenario in
my head more than I should, because first of all,
I think, and again I'm not trying to speak for him,
and I don't know, but I really think he's just
will never understand me or respect certain decisions. And I

(19:06):
think he's just going to hold on to anger with me.
Um That's how I feel. So I would be nervous
because I would probably be play nice and and even
though he hurt me so terribly and things, I've never
even talked about it. It's just I hold anger too.
But I know if I saw him, I wouldn't be
able to be like I just that's just not me.
So I feel like I would hope his dog, his

(19:28):
new puppy, was with him, because that would be a
good distraction. So cute, so cute, and I just want
to be like, hey, like this is obviously weird, Like
I don't know how to even act right now. This
is super weird, but like I'm so sorry about Tucker,
and I'm so glad you have a new puppy, Like
that's probably what I would try and say. I know, Tucker,
that was I thought. I was like, I know, this

(19:50):
is like horrible for him. I just having Phoebe for
only three years now, I can't even imagine. And both
of you were so just like in love with him.
So I'm happy that he has at new a little buddy.
But I always think about that, like when X is
live in the same city, which Nashville. Although it is
a big city, it's a small circle. Everyone goes to

(20:12):
the same spots. But I just I mean, COVID has
helped everything with that, but I just haven't really gone
out and about and done a lot of stuff. I
feel like I've kind of just been like either on
a plane or somewhere else, or if I'm home, I
like I'm staying home to recharge my batteries. But yeah,
it is still weird that it's been a year and
a half. Yeah, I did not I thought it had.

(20:33):
I didn't even realize it had been a full year
of you being with Jason. Wow, it's crazy. I don't
even know the last time. I mean, I I've said
this on a couple of podcasts because again I'm just bitter.
But um, like, when Tucker passed, obviously, I was just
devastated for him because that that was just like his
absolute best friend, and I thought for sure he would

(20:53):
have reached out to me to like say, either hey,
we're putting him down, or hey, I didn't want you
to have to find this out through Instagram, am or something.
But I can't hold that against him, because everybody grieves
so differently, and I don't think i'd want to talk
to anybody in the world if I lost one of
my dogs because I would just be so like not okay,
But I did reach out to him and said like,
I am so sorry if like you need to talk.

(21:16):
I'm like, I'm devastated. I can't imagine how you feel.
And then nothing didn't right me. Back, you wrote my
cleaning lady back saying thank you. He loves spending time
with you, and I'm like, cleaning lady, come on, now,
Tucker loved what she did to the place he loves
clean kept you. I mean, it's and there might be

(21:37):
so many like emotional memories tied to you and Tucker,
so you know, it may just have been I might
be being a little selfish just because I love that dog. Yeah,
I know you did. You got to They're on your
pajamas right now, You're two dogs. I'm obsessed. I mean
I was always like I'll never love a dog like Tucker,
and then now I'm like, even, I don't know, I'm
like a crazy person wearing dogs on my pajamas, Like,

(22:00):
am I even? Okay? I'm waiting to get the name
of that company and get my own. Bb um, So
are you like with music, because now you're going to
move out to l A for Dancing with the Stars. Um,
and like I would love to be like, can't wait
to see but I know that schedule so TB d um.
But hopefully you can come to like a live taping. Yeah,

(22:21):
I hope they do live tape things. Um, but are
you writing music? Like, what's what's the plan moving forward
with that? Yeah? You know what's funny is I mean,
you know turd Uncle turd Um Todd, producer from The
Bachelor World. He he reached out to me just saying, like,
I have a really good friend who's like an insane
producer in l A for music if you ever come

(22:42):
out this way. So I got that guy's information, and
I'll I mean, I don't know if I'll have time
to do anything with music while I'm out there, but
I mean it's always good to even just meet up
with somebody. I'm I'm very new to the world of music.
It's not like I'm in the industry by any means,
So I would like to just learn more about it
and what I should be doing. But um, I've I
just I mean, in Nashville, it's so easy. I'm I'm

(23:05):
friends with so many songwriters and singers and I've just
found myself being like, well, i love to sing and
I always have, and I've been taking voice lessons since
I moved here with no real plan or anything, just
like because I love it so much. And so yeah,
after I mean, I've I have a few songs recorded,
and after I released that one, I was like, oh,

(23:27):
people like it. I text. I think it all the
time because I talked to myself sometimes and for some reason,
when I'm talking to myself, my internal dialogue, if I'm
being honest, is like something I say all the time.
And then I find myself here if I'm being you know,
it just continuously happen. I know it's a catchy line

(23:51):
like just that that's saying like it's something I say
all the time too. So and that's funny that you
said you have an inner dialogue, because I do too,
And did you know that some people don't at all?
I thought I was someone who didn't. I didn't understand
what they were talking about. And then just recently I
found myself doing it all day, all day, every day,
I'm having inner dialogue. I do it too all the time,

(24:14):
and I'll even like and laugh out and my in
in my head, I think of how much I do it,
and then I think of the people who don't have it.
Is it just peaceful and quiet or is it static?
What is it? Or do they hear other people like
talking to them, like other people's voices. I don't know,

(24:36):
because I kind of like that I have the inner
dialogue because otherwise I feel like that silence was scaring.
Sometimes I like silence, but um, like last night, I
would have loved some silence. But um, yeah, it's last night.
I had a tiny bit of anxiety and um, I
had a little tiny ounce of chocolate whiskey and I

(24:58):
felt great, what's that? It was so good? It's um
um bird dog whiskey. They have like different flavors like
peach and um strawberry and chocolate and BlackBerry, and I
had like just honestly, it was like the smallest little
sip of chocolate whiskey, and for some reason it just
calmed me down. It was like a little treat. I
need to get something. I normally just have an edible,

(25:21):
but sometimes it's like too, I don't know, Okay, those
are legal, they're dang it. I can't get those so well,
you'll be an l as I know, because they helped
me sleep so much. They helped so much because my
anxiety comes at night. Are you like that too? I
I take I normally will take a half of like
a five it's like two and a half milligrams, and
then I it just helps me like relax enought toally

(25:42):
just fall asleep without you know, thinking. But it's interesting
because I used to be so against weed or smoking
or anything, and I don't smoke, but I do. I
do enjoy an edible here and there. So but I
got off to you surprised me with that one. I know.
I know, honestly, it's bad that I take edibles. Yeah,

(26:04):
I don't know. It's not like it's like if you
think about it, drinking is way worse than I just
I haven't drink in a while, but I feel so
much I don't. I don't feel great if I drink
too much, you know. So I just have found myself
if I need to relax that, if I don't want
to do like a glass of wine, that just having
half an edible just does the trick. Yeah, see, I

(26:27):
wish because edibles, it's it's such a problem for me
because I love wine obviously, um, and a glass of
wine like a night just makes me feel so also
relax or just good, like it just makes me happy.
But the problem is I don't stop. I'm like, wow,
I'll probably have another glass, and then I'm like and
then I feel like crap. The next day, I'm like, okay, Gail,

(26:47):
and you don't need to drink a bottle. Just because
you have a wine label doesn't mean you need to
drink the whole bottle every night. Like, we get it.
You're supporting. I mean, I got to try the your
wine when I did your podcast, and it's quite delicio
this and I'm not even really a red person, so
oh yeah you do. And I do appreciate that you
like your red chilled as well. I do. Yeah, I'll

(27:11):
even be classy and throwing I love. I mean, I
know it's not classy, but I just you know, it's
it is what it is. I like it, so I
do it. That's like my whole thing with having a
wine labels. I was like, I'm not a wine snob,
like I put ice cubes in my wine and I
don't like. Somebody was like, she doesn't even know how
to hold a wine glass properly, and I'm like, I

(27:33):
don't even care to learn that. Like, I just enjoy wine,
and that's what I want my audience to know to
are the people that are buying it. Like, you can
hold your wine however you want. You can put it
into a sprits for all I care cook with it.
I don't care to buy my wine. It's fun. She
don't even know how to help. I mean, like, like
we said, people have opinions about anything everything. Um wait,

(27:53):
we got off topic. So you are writing music? Yes,
I am writing music. I am going next week or
maybe the week after that to record this new song
that I've been working on and it's so cute because
I wrote it for Jason, and it's like everyone knows,
like the story about how we met, Like I had
him on my podcast, I friend zone him. I didn't
think anything of it because I was going through something,

(28:15):
and then I just continued to start talking or continued
to keep talking to him, and then I realized I
had feelings for him, And that's never happened to me
usually I know right off the bat um. But every
time I like talked about him or with him, I
just always was like, man, he's going to be so
good for somebody, like whoever gets him is so lucky.
And so I wrote a song called um good for Something.

(28:40):
I'm like, wait, what did I call it? Um? It's
called good for Somebody? And it's basically about like how
he's going to be good for somebody, and I sing
about how he's going to treat her like a queen
and then how I didn't even realize that it was
going to be me. And it's so cute, and like
I told Jason about it, I showed him a little bit,
but I didn't show. I showed. So I wrote with
this girl named Rachel Womack, and I showed her singing

(29:03):
it because I want to wait until he hears me
singing it for like the first time. So did does
he know the lyrics yet? Okay? Sings them all around
the house every day. It's Hilaricus love one of the songs.
You know, it's such an ego this when a song
is written about you. He didn't even know. I was
upstairs the other day and he was like, I'm gonna
be good for somebody, Like he was like jam it,

(29:24):
and I was like, I'm gonna be you. It's so
cute because I love that you when you met him
had they announced the Bachelor yet, because he was kind
of in the running for that, right, Yeah, he was
in the running. I wanted it to be him for
the Bachelor so bad and it was him either him,
Colton or Blake, and they chose Coulton. You met Jason

(29:47):
after they had already announced Colton. Yeah, I was gonna
say the very end of that would be so hard
to meet someone that you like, weirdly had a connection
with but you couldn't place the connection, and then everyone's
wanting them to be a Bachelor, and you're like, yeah,
me too, But then you're kind of like, do I
want him to meet someone else? Yeah, that's kind of

(30:08):
what it came because then I mean, he wasn't gonna
be the Bachelor, and he was like talking to another
girl while we were talking, and he was like sending
me pictures of her, and I was like, that's when
you know if you have feelings for someone. That's kind
of how I realized. I was like, she's really cute.
I don't want you to go on the date with her.
She's okay, she's like a six, she's like a soft six.

(30:31):
I guess. Yeah, that's what he knew too. He's like, oh,
she was feeling got her. I UM, someone the other
day was asking about UM, like bachelor stuff, and I
started thinking about I totally forgot when I snuck out
of the hotel room and came all the way to
yours the night that you went home. It's so funny

(30:54):
because you were in so much trouble and I like
really thought Megan, who was your producer. I thought that
she because you know, like we were all really close,
and I thought that she wasn't gonna wrap me out.
And so basically we were staying in this massive resort,

(31:15):
like I think the biggest resort I've ever been to.
In Bali and Caitlin we were in these like you know,
you've seen the outfits. We were in these traditional like
temple outfits. And when they because we didn't know each
other's rooms or anything, but when the ladies came to

(31:37):
fit me or style me for our outfits we had
to wear. So I saw a piece of paper and
it had um Whitney and Caitlin's room numbers written down,
and I just glanced and I was like, oh, that's
good to know. Maybe I can call her later. Because
we are not allowed to know we're like supposed to
hate each other technically, right, And so we go to

(31:59):
the roast ceremony and Caitlyn whispers to me because I
was like certain I was going home, and Caitlyn goes,
I was certain you were going home? What did you
say to me? I said? I thought, it's okay, you're
going to be the next bachelorette. You have bigger, better
things coming here. We're like it'll all work out, like
you'll be You'll be fine, idiot, And I was like,

(32:22):
I was kind of like, what is she talking about?
And then um, and then shockingly, Caitlyn goes home and
shocking for everybody, shocking roast ceremony. So that night I
call her from my um like my room on the phone,
and she answered one of the producers answered, I think

(32:43):
Elan answered, I mean, like what are you doing? Like,
don't worry about it. So then it's like late late.
I snuck out and he went across the whole resort.
We could not have been further from each other. It
was like a twenty minute walk for you. Yeah. So
I was just like looking the sites. My handler was
passed out. I was like a free bird could have

(33:05):
done whatever. I wanted, and I just feel like you're
so free when you're away from them. You're like, oh,
like I'm my own person. And I came to your
room and then they immediately called the producers and I
got escorted back. But it was so funny. Megan would
let you stay too, because well, I don't remember what

(33:26):
phase I was in at that point in the night,
because I was so devastated for a while, I couldn't
breathe crying, and then I think, I like, God, I
was okay for a bit, and then I think after
you left, I broke down again. Yeah, they like ripped
meked me away. It was just so sad. I'm like,
I'm already going home. Just let me have a hug. Yeah,
all I was. I was like, I'm checking on my

(33:47):
f friend. Don't worry about me. I'm fine, So we're fine.
That was so fun. I loved that whole scene. Was
like like I looked look back on Bachelor with like
the best memories and then fastward to the Bachelor, and
I was like that was hell, but Bachelor was so

(34:08):
much fun, so funny because Jojo said the same thing,
like she was like Bachelor, it was just so exhausting.
It was so emotionally draining, Like obviously I found Jordan's
and it was all worth it, but she was like
the Bachelor. Being on the Bachelor was so much more
fun and lighthearted and more enjoyable than being the lead.
How sad is it that we couldn't watch Chrystal season?

(34:32):
I mean, I'm actually okay not watching it because I'm
really Yeah, I was so like I guess and maybe
it was just my edit, but how I saw myself
when there was like so soft and timid and just
kind of like I didn't I didn't really like allow
myself to open. I don't know, but it was just
not something I'd be like thrilled to watch again. But

(34:55):
I would like to see all the memories with everybody else.
And yeah, I get what you mean, Like we're obviously
all such different people now than we were then. And
if you were to ever go on again, obviously you're
not going to do, but if you were, do you
think you would be more like able to be yourself?
Because do you feel like you did on Ben season,
like where you are more able to open up because
they were like, oh this is my another another? Yeah,

(35:16):
because I I kind of knew what the process is like,
so I felt a little more comfortable, like opening myself
up and realizing I think honestly watching How How You
Were on Christmas season and being like she was funny
and sarcotastic and it didn't get turned into like a
villain character, if that makes sense, you know, because that
was my I was like, I don't want to be

(35:37):
too sarcastic or dry and be the villain, and so
I was kind of just like quiet and didn't really
give the producers much to work with in that regard.
So I think I was able to um open up
a little bit more on Ben season. I thought for
sure I was going to be the villain on Soul
season because of my sense of humor, like I was

(35:57):
chirping everybody and just like saying whatever. And then watching
Night one when I had had a couple of friends
over and we're watching Night one, and I was like, oh,
I don't like remember a lot of that because tequila
was flowing and they didn't have the to drink limit
and I was such a little snoot on it. I
was like, yeah, goodbye, and he's like see you never,
and then I was like, yeah, she's cool if you

(36:18):
like elevator music. And then I'm like picking up the
first impression ROMs being like who thinks they deserve this?
And I'm like, what the hell? Case like, OK, did
I think I was we were talking about. I can't
remember who you who you were talking to, but you
either had had a dream about like masturbating or do

(36:43):
you remember us you had like a dream I think
I remember, and we were sharing a room. You had
a dream about it, and you were telling the producers
about it, and I was like, yeah, wow, she's like
so confident and comfortable with herself like that is I
like kind of was like wow, I was so like
sure and then you would like wrap. I just thought

(37:04):
you were like so cool all to produce lose like
in love with you. I feel like it was Louie
that got you in trouble Megan and Louis. Maybe I
don't know. I remember sitting on the balcony in BALI
like cutting Louie's hair and I was like, you, I

(37:28):
picked up on it. That's funny, Yeah, Louie memories. So
when you come out here for m do you have
a date for dancing and the stars. I don't have one. Yet.
I mean, I saw they posted on Instagram saying like
new season coming soon, So I was like, um, so,
I think, like, don't they usually start filming in September

(37:50):
for the fall? Yeah, that makes sense. I'm asking that
makes sense. So I think that's the plan. But obviously
they can't, um like say anything for sure right now,
because I swear to God COVID, if you really ruin
my chances again of going on Dancing with the Stars,
I'm gonna be like, Universe, I thought we're gonna tell
anyone else who's on there. No, I was the only

(38:11):
one that's been announced. I don't know who else is
all the lone ranger. I know I am the lone ranger.
I want to know who my competition is. Who's your
dream partner? Who? Like, if you have like if you're watching,
is there anyone where you're like if I ever get
to go on? I mean, val seems to win a lot,
so I like that, And I don't really have a preference.

(38:35):
I mean, obviously my favorite would have been Derek Coff
if you was still there. Um, but he's not. I
already asked if they could bring him in for one
last season. Um, well, I think because he's doing that
other world of dance show. Um, and so I don't know.
I feel like Val and VAL's wife said something to

(38:55):
me like, oh, I hope you get my husband, and
then I was like, okay, that'd be cool. And then yeah, yeah,
that's nice to have of like that support. Yeah, yes, exactly.
I'm like, and that's another reason timing, Like Jason is
so excited for me to go on, and I'm like,
thank you, thank you for being such a good human.
It's just really he's very encouraging and to be honest,

(39:18):
when I first saw him, like on Instagram and stuff,
I thought it was all just like a for Instagram. Yeah,
Like I was like, there's no way someone's that encouraging
and like hyke all the time about everything, you know,
But I'm around him. He's just like he's kind, he's
I love that he is. Like, so, I loved his

(39:39):
reaction when you found out about Dancing with the Stars,
Like it was as excited, if not more than yours.
You know, so at the same reaction as me. Yeah,
did you did you think he was going to propose
when Chris Harrison did that? I mean I didn't, but
a tiny little like, for one millisecond, I was like,
or was he in the reverse psychology on me? Because

(40:02):
he said he wasn't going to do that? Is this
really happening? Like my mind was just spinning in that
moment because we had already had the conversation of like, like,
you wouldn't propose on TV again? Right, and he's like no,
and I'm like okay, And then like especially after you know,
it's like third proposal of the show, it's like Sean
and Nick and then like Jason not getting down on

(40:23):
one knee, Like we were like, yeah, don't do that.
So if he would have, that would have been really
weird and terrible timing, and obviously he wouldn't have listened.
So I didn't think so, but I just couldn't. Nothing
was going through my mind of what it could possibly
be like when he says your life's going to change
and the dramatics, Yeah, I'm like I should have known
who I was talking to. Chris Harrison. He's like, your

(40:45):
life is going to change. You are going to be
in the audience for one of our live takings. Honestly,
with all of those positives, said something last night on
JoJo's It was like something about like a big surprise

(41:05):
coming up, and it was like they got them a
wedding cake because they, you know, their wedding had to
be for schedule. I was like, all right, that was nice,
but a little oh my gosh. I have I have
JoJo's recorded because I was like in and out of
Jojo Season when it originally aired, because it was still
like for me almost like I had like stress watching

(41:27):
it and I got such bad anxiety. So it was
like Ben and JoJo's. I had like a tough time watching.
So I wanted to watch last night, but I haven't recorded. Yeah,
It's it's funny just watching like her connection with Jordan
was so clear, you know, it was like so different
from everyone else's knowing them now it felt like he

(41:48):
was her boyfriend and then they were all these other
guys around. Yeah. Um wait, I had another question for
you about Jason or I know we want to answer.
Have you answer some emails? Best? But oh wait, are
you still watching Grayson at me? Yeah? What do you want?
I'm on season eleven. It's I accidentally got into Blacklist,

(42:08):
which I didn't think I was going to get into,
and now I like have such a hard time going
back and forth between the two. But no, I'm still
watching and I still I'm obsessed with it, and I'm
like dreading the day. I'm caught up. Who is anyone alive?
So everyone alive? Who's alive? He's not alive? Well, I'm
still I told you this on Instagram Live. I'm still
not over George dying. That was just too soon for me,

(42:31):
Like one of my favorite characters gone right away. Not okay,
Um mc steamy is gone again. I was just starting
to love him, and they like what. I was just
starting to like him. I was like, you know what,
who else? Oh? And Lexi? But I feel like there's
still I thought for sure, um, what's her name? Um gosh,

(42:58):
uh Calie Callie. I thought for sure Callie was gone
after that car accident and oh the music episode. I don't.
I don't trust the people who like the music episode.
That's just judgment, but the same I don't trust them. No,
it's that just threw me off. I was like, I

(43:19):
might click here, um, but I can't. I feel like
the majority of people are still alive, which scares me
because I know something bad is going to happen soon. Yeah,
I can't remember what season the there's some darkness coming
for you, I heard every time I tweet about it.
I won't read the responses because I don't want anyone
spoiling anything. But I know a lot of people have

(43:39):
just been like, oh, like before the plane episode, I
was like, I'm on this season, and they're like, oh god,
buckle up. I was like yeah, I was like trying
to go to sleep. And I watched that episode like
when I hated that one. It was like two. It
was like way too much. Too much happened, too much, tragedy,
it was like death seriously, and lost her leg. It

(44:02):
was just a lot. I know, I still think about it.
Meredith was obviously just a champ. She's always a chap.
She's our She's the hero of our hearts. Truly, she
truly is I I like want to be her? No,
I know, I get it. I had this phase where
I thought like, could I do medical school? Yeah? No,

(44:26):
I know because I asked, um, like some of my
girlfriends who are nurses, I was like, is it like this,
They're like no, I'm like yeah, time and money on that,
yeah exactly. Um, do you have any dreams? Okay, first
of all, who's been your Do you have any favorite
guests that stand out from your podcast that you've had,

(44:47):
like where you're like, wow, that was a great interview,
or while they were just amazing and so nice, or
um Ruthie Lindsay, do you know who that is? Oh gosh,
she's got a story. She is like literally the kindest
soul you've ever met. And if I were her, I
would be so like negative, but she's the most positive

(45:09):
person who's gone through hell in life. Like she's gotten
like a huge car accident and they said like a
one percent chance of walking, and she went through all
of these like traumas, and then she was addicted to
pain killers and she was in bed for five years
and her dad like was the best human in her life.

(45:29):
And then he like tragically fell down the stairs and died.
And then during that time, she found out something was
wrong with the surgery she went through, and they like
she had a wire sticking out of her neck and
she had to do a surgery that's never been done
in life before and they couldn't afford it. But she
didn't know but all these people her dad had helped

(45:52):
silently through her whole life. He had like donated money
for people to graduate college, or donated for a surgery
or don't he just did good deeds throughout his whole
life that all these people came back and paid for
her bills, her medical bills to like get this surgery,
and she like weaned herself off all this pain medication
and now she's just like so grateful for life and
her spirit is just incredible. Wow, her full body chills.

(46:17):
She was she was really really incredible. And then my
other one of my other favorite ones was Monica the Media.
Have you had her on? I haven't, but wait, I
know we had. She does like color or as michaela
Oh yeah, Mr Michaela. Oh. I just talked to her yesterday.
We actually chat all the time. I'm so fascinated by her. Um.

(46:38):
I'm going on her podcast soon because I just I
love her so much. She's awesome. She's a great guest too. Yeah,
she's it's wild the like what she comes up with.
And the same the same thing with Monica the Medium.
She was blowing my mind on that podcast. What so
did she like with the medium? They talked to people

(46:59):
who have passed away? Yeah, And I was like going
into it. First of all, I didn't tell her that
I was going to bring Sean with me because Sean
is such a skeptic. So I was like, I'm not
going to tell her just so he can like go
and being like she doesn't know him coming and she's
not like looking up information about me or whatever. And
so I brought him in and she was kind she

(47:19):
kind of seemed nervous, and I was like, well, we'll
just talk about like being a medium, like you don't
have to read us, like I'm not gonna put you
on the spot. We'll talk and she in the middle
of it, she was like, Caitlin, I really wanted to
have something for you. She goes, but I'm just getting
so much for Sean. And I was like, okay, great,
and that's what I wanted. And right before we went,

(47:40):
Sean wasn't with me. He went to take tuck her
out and I said out loud, I said, Sean's grandpa, like,
if you could come through, I know that would mean
a lot to him and say something about cigar smoke,
because that's like how they feel like he's around. They'll
get like whiffs of cigar smoke every once in a while.
And so I just said it out loud, and then
so she came on and he's just explaining like his childhood,

(48:03):
um like memories at his grandpa's home, like the steps
and what the steps look like in this certain house
and how she's saying the steps mean something to you
and he's like, yeah, that's where we all used to
hang out. And she just kept saying all these things
and then she was like I was like, wow, you're
blowing my mind. And we kept going and then she
went to say something else and then she was like,
oh wait, sorry, I have to say something about cigar.

(48:25):
Smokes like cigar. He always had a cigar or the
smells cigar, And I was like, I just started crying.
I was like, okay, now this is crazy. And he
was like holy, like it was wild. So he like
kind of how to change her heart? He was he
said at the end, he goes, I believe in you.
I'm not sure about everyone else, but I believe you.

(48:45):
So yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, it was. It was
your dream. Like if you could just call up anyone
and they would make it happen for them to be
on the podcast. It would it be if they would
be superum honest and tell the truth. About some things.
I would want Ellen de Generus on interesting, what do

(49:06):
you mean? Well, have you seen this? There's like a
thread going around about how people have nasty stories about her,
and I just, first of all, I feel like, so
if they are true, there's probably like a reason, you know,
or there's like something I just want to hear her
side of the story of like like her admitting them
and like saying, yeah, I did that, or but like

(49:26):
that person really did have bad breath so they needed
to chew gum before coming to see me, because like
I get it. I don't know. If somebody kept coming
and talking to me they have bad breath, I'd be like, hey,
well just pop a piece of gum in your mouth
before you come in here. Like, I don't know. And
I just love her so much and I want to
believe she's like that kind soul who says be kind
to everybody and gives back and like, and I just
I just want to know. I just want to have

(49:47):
like the most raw conversation with her. Yeah, she'd be
I mean, definitely interesting. I know how much you love her.
I forgot about that. How much she's my hall pass. Yeah, um,
I know, I think man, would be Jennifer Aniston. I
just love her. I just like the whole time. She's incredible, staring, smiling.

(50:10):
It would be a really terrible interview, but no, because
she would make you feel so she would. I just
love her. I love her too. She's incredible. Okay, So

(50:36):
normally we have we just have our scrubbers um emailing
like anything that they're needing advice on, and sometimes we
give great advice and then sometimes it's truly just we
have no advice or it's not helpful at all. So, um,
I thought it would be fun to have you, you know,
weigh in on some try They're kind of heavy and

(51:01):
I'm like, that's way above our paper around here. Yeah,
it's scary because you're like, am I going to say
the wrong thing and like ruin someone's life? Yeah? Yeah,
we'll see what happens. All right, Mark, whenever you're ready.
All right, This is from Bree. My boyfriend told me

(51:21):
last night he doesn't want kids to be honest. I
was pretty blindside. We hadn't had a talk about it prior,
but I feel there were plenty of opportunities for it
to come up before last night. And if a friend
hadn't made a comment about kids, who knows when he
would have told me, I don't want kids anytime soon,
but I know that I do want them someday, and
I'm not sure how to go forward from here. I
can't imagine not spending the rest of my life with him,

(51:41):
but no kids as the deal breaker. I'm twenty eight
and the thought of starting over again also scares me.
I don't know. I feel stuck. What would you guys do? Okay,
how old is he is? My question? Don't have that information.
Let's assume he's of age. If not similar, well, maybe
his frontal lobe isn't fully developed yet and his mind

(52:05):
could change. And then I would dig a little bit
deeper into the y. Is there something traumatic that has
happened that makes him scared? Is he like have fears
of being a dad? Is this thing that? Are these
things you guys could talk through? I would dig a
little bit deeper into the why. So okay, let's Easton
and his wife both do have decided like maybe might

(52:28):
change or MND want kids, but as a whole, they
have decided they don't want kids. The good thing for
them is that they both feel the same way. Right, Eastern,
Ry there, I'm here, I'm here. I guess my question
for you, Eastern is that you and Alison are on
the same page. So it's obviously a very different situation
if Allison, Like if while y'all were dating and things

(52:49):
that gotten serious and you thought you were going to
spend your life with her, and she was like, I
want kids. I know I want kids. It's a deal breaker.
What would have been your response? Uh? Um, I mean
that's that's it's such a fundamental difference. I think it's
it's not like I like the Chargers and you like

(53:09):
the Brewers kind of a thing. It's like, it's like
it's such a big part of a relationship. Um. That
being said, you know, I think I've said on this podcast,
our our stance on it, like there are some days
where we're like, oh man, have any kid, would be
would be great. So like even we're kind of on
the fence. Uh. And I do understand that people can
grow and change. Um. So if it were me if

(53:33):
she said I definitely want kids and at this point,
I'm I'm at no. Uh, I don't know. I would
just feel bad about wasting her time. You know, Like,
while while I grow up. I feel like that's selfish
of me, like even understanding that I could probably grow
and change and my mind would change in a couple
of years. I only think that's fair to her. Yeah,
and then you would have a whole relationship exactly, you know,

(53:57):
if you kept moving forward. So do you think you do? You?
She should obviously have a conversation and say, I know
for sure one that I want kids. And if you're
a hundred percent sure that you don't want kids and
you don't see that ever changing, then I think, you know,
I think that we go our separate ways, and I

(54:17):
get that it's hard. But also Caitlin, especially I'm thirty
one and I met my significant other like we started dating.
I never thought of my age being like starting over
from something, you know. I just thought, okay, it didn't
work out with my last relationship, and I wasn't necessarily
in that age mindset, which I know that I know

(54:40):
people do have that mentality of like, oh, I have
to be on a certain schedule of where my life
is going. But you met Jason, and like you thought
you had found the person you were going to spend
the rest of your life with. At what age yeah,
that was twenty nine, twenty nine, and like even I

(55:00):
think the thing with with the my last breakup was
I felt very secure on my own and I was
just like, I'll meet the right person when I do.
And um, I mean it helps that I have my
eggs frozen and I highly recommend doing that, but um,
that's when I was like, Okay, well, I'll find the

(55:21):
right person when when that right person comes my way.
Because I was like solid in myself and I tried.
I didn't think about the age thing, which I probably
would have at the age of eight. But now that
I'm like, you know, I've done a lot of work
on myself and where I'm at, so I feel like
i'd be okay on my own. I also think you
just you like, sometimes it feels like that person's who

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you're going to spend your life with and then once
you you know, go your separate ways. You never know
how quickly you can meet the person that has all
those important things that you're looking for. You that's a
big important thing that she wants. That's a life altering decision.
And if you want to be a mom and you're

(56:04):
like set on having a family, then like it's better
to end that now, and no, just just know that
somebody else will have all the things you need and
want to be a dad. Yeah, and he and he
he is not wrong for not wanting kids, like he
has every right to not want kids. I just think
that you, if you stay with him with the expectation

(56:26):
that he's going to change his mind, it will lead
could very well lead to bitterness and resentment and just
being frustrated that your expectations weren't met. And it's not
his fault that they were met. No, it's it's it's
easy when you have something to blame, but it's not
his fault. Also, I think, guys, you know, when if
she were to leave him, if she were decided to

(56:47):
start over, I think he'd realize real quickly what he
had and what he's losing, and he'd come around pretty
quickly on kids. So you think if she if she said, hey,
if if you're not in the same boat as me
with even actually having the potential of maybe wanting kids
down the road, And then I was saying, I think
we go part ways that you're saying that maybe he

(57:09):
would have a change of heart. I think Caitlyn's right
about his frontal low. But I think she'll say I'm
a hundred percent and he'll say about a hundred percent,
and then she'll say okay, good bye, and they'll say, well,
maybe he's selfless. Like Easton, he would say, I don't
want to waste your time and have expectations that are
not fair for either. Set him free, and if it's

(57:30):
meant to be, it'll have meant to be. It'll find
its way back to you. That's right. And this one
is anonymous. I've been in a relationship and engaged to
a man since. We have a beautiful three year old boy.
When he turned one, a few months before our planned wedding,
I found out my significant other was having an affair.
We split for nearly a year, and through prayer and counseling,

(57:50):
decided to give it another go. Things have been the
best of the best and the worst of the worst
since then. I have a fire lit in my gut.
I know we aren't meant for each other. I keep sacrifice.
I think parts of myself to fit his mold. I
have two questions and fears. I have no experience with
divorce or co parenting families. I don't want that for

(58:12):
my son. But it's the best decision for me. How
do I overcome this fear of letting my son down?
And two, how do I have have this conversation with
my son's dad that he no longer fits my beautiful
dream for life. It's like it was a well written email.
It's like a beautiful and heartbreaking reality. That is a

(58:36):
heartbreaking reality. Like I love that they gave it another
chance and tried to make it work. But you always
have to I mean, in my opinion, you always have
to put the kids first. And that doesn't mean staying together,
because you would want your child to see what a
healthy relationship looks like. So if you can find that

(58:56):
with somebody else and have that um for your son
to look up to you, then that's much better than
staying with someone just to like protect your son. You're
not protecting him by doing that. Yeah, But if you
have a like saying you have a fire and your
gut knowing that he is not it, then you cannot stay.

(59:17):
That is never going to benefit your child because that's
eventually going to end in some you know, something's gonna
happen that's not good or healthy. Um, I don't know
much about you know, the process of being divorced or
co parenting obviously, but I have watched so many people

(59:38):
make it work and do it in a healthy way
that actually makes that is healthy for the child to
see growing up. I mean, your parents are both remarried, right, Yeah, yeah,
and I still saw like like I looking back, I
was a little selfish as a kid, but I was
much older. I was like sixteen telling my parents not
to divorce. But anyway, Yeah, but I think also like

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if you can, you know, if you are emotionally mature
enough to get through cheating go to counseling and try
and make something work. That gives me the confidence to
say that you'll probably do quite well co parenting. A
great point because that being able to be like humble
and selfless enough to say I'm going to take you

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back and try to make this work for the sake
of our marriage and what we signed up for by
having a child together. It is a very mature, a
very emotional mature way of handling the situation. So I
I agree that's a really good point. I'm sorry that happened, though,
it's up. Yeah, I know, and remember he cheated, don't

(01:00:46):
feel too bad? Well we Yeah, don't feel bad about that,
but we feel bad for sure. But her second question is,
how do I tell him, yeah you tried, you try him.
It sounds like you'll have a if things have been
amazing but also horrible. It sounds like you'll have a

(01:01:06):
good enough relationship as two people to be respectful towards
one another and it just didn't work romantically. So yeah, exactly. Um, yeah,
like I said, sometimes it's like heavy, but I I do.
I like what you said, Caitlin. Yeah, and I like
what you said Becca. Thank you. Should we be therapists? Um?

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All right, well, I think this has come to an end.
I really appreciate you not only being on Scrubbing In,
but co hosting with me today. It was truly a joy. Truly,
I love any time. I love just coming on other
people's podcasts. It's so fun. I'm gonna tease that you're
pregnant for the swipe ups and uh perfect. I will

(01:01:55):
repost and have people freak out as well. I'll like
tease that email we just heard, but also incorporate your
name in there so they're not really sure what I'm
talking about. Um, but I'm so happy for you and
I can't wait to see you kill it on Dancing
with the Stars whenever that happens, and waiting for the
next single about Jason and drinking your wine podcast tour.

(01:02:19):
What are you writing a book or what that's next
time my list? Ye, I'm gonna put that on the
back burner right now while I dance, but I'll get
you it well. I'm so proud of you what, I'm
so happy for you, and thanks again for scrubbing in.
Thank you you