Ep. 329: The CWD Episode Feat. George Warthen from FWC

In today's episode, Charlie and J.D. welcome George Warthen, Director of Hunting and Game Management at the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission. The guys spend the bulk of the time talking about Chronic Wasting Disease and what sportsmen can do to help contain the deer disease.

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Episode Transcript

(00:05):
And welcome to the Town Outdoor Show. I'm Charlie, I'm Jeneth, and
I'm Grant. All right, we'vegot a couple of special guests in the
studio today. Well, I don'tknow special pauls here. Paul is special
and special. He's like shortbustal.Yeah, our fishing professional and yeah,
we got with deer season here.You know, we've been talking a lot

(00:25):
about chronic waste disease and things herein Florida and for our Alabama audience,
y'all need to be paying attention tobecause this is obviously an issue up in
that area. There's increased testing.You've got some of the stuff in Alabama.
We got George Wharton with fw C. George, what's uh, what's
your official title? Yeah, I'mthe Director of the Division of Hunting and
Game Management and so what that isfor FWC. That's everything game species,

(00:49):
everything you can hunt, including alligators, but also our hunter safety and public
Shooting Ranges program. Okay, andyou do manage the shooting ranges around Florida.
We've spoken before because y'all get fundingand so we don't well not federal
funding, it's all private. Butyou've done some just real quick before we
get to CWD. You're work finishingup some ranges and doing some improvements down

(01:12):
in South Florida on some of thepublic ranges. Where were those again,
Yeah too that we're looking to finishup or really want to revamp. The
main project is our Web Shooting Rangeon Babcock Web. It's the oldest public
shooting range that we have in Florida. It's also the most used public shooting
range in Florida, and it's justit's due for rehab. You know,

(01:33):
it doesn't have electricity, it needssome improvements and since it's our number one
in use, we want to putsome funds back into it for folks.
And it's long awaited. The otherone is the West Palm Beach Shooting Range.
And so if folks haven't been downthere yet and you're in that neck
of the woods, I check itout. It's it's really built out to
Olympic specs. It's it's really goingto attract some Olympic shooting sports folks to

(01:56):
the area. It's another long awaitedsince the public shooting range close down decades
ago there in the area. It'sa big concentration of shooters here in Florida
and folks that are recreational shooters,and so it was one where the community
wanted us to build it. Ittook us twelve years to get started,
and we're trying to wrap up ourfinal phase. Well, you know,
and we because you also have theone here in the Aplaxicola National Forest as

(02:20):
actuals as well. Yeah, Imean, so when we first had our
first discussion, that was we sawfunding in this area and we're freaking out
because we're like, we're gonna gobroke if y'all do all this stuff.
But that's not your goal as anorganization. Your goal is to provide a
place for people to shoot where otherplaces don't exist and there's not a ready
market for it, that kind ofthing. So we're really not at odds
on that we're on the same pageas long as we're not trying to build

(02:44):
a gun range next to that big, fancy Olympic place, which would be
a stupid business move. But yeah, I mean, so that so that
arm is under you where you're actuallyhelping to provide a place for the public
in the state of Florida too shooting. And there's a lot of places where
there's not much except people's backyards.Of course, you get away from civilization,
there's plenty of places to shoot,just not necessarily safely. Yeah,

(03:07):
and you know that's a big partof it. But one of the important
things is, you know, howit ties into hunting is we know that
to become a hunter, you haveto be a shooter first, whether that's
archery or with a firearm. Andso providing those safe places for families to
get into the sport but also topractice and become hunters, become outdoorsmen and
women, and that's a big partof it. And you guys know as
range owners and you have a greatrange and retail facility here. Conservation funding

(03:30):
throughout the country, but really primarilyin Florida comes from the purchase of firearms,
ammunition, and artist. Far morerecreational shooters contribute to that than even
hunters. We're glad we're helping thefund that The day is busy in the
shot today. Everybody's getting ready.I came in somebody's like they're getting rifle
scopes mounted, and we're coming tosee the gunsmith about their rifle grouping and

(03:53):
all that stuff. We get tosee that end of it on a daily
basis and so when all the trainingstuff that we do out here as well,
but we had you on the showprimarily to talk about some of the
issues that are going on. Sowe know that there's an enforcement arm of
FWC, and that's the guys outthere with the badges and the guns and
writing tickets and stuff. That's notyour world. Your world is managing and

(04:13):
helping to I'm sure you help craftpolicies and rules and things like that.
Is that true, You're not thepeople on the radio can't hear you?
Yeah, that's right. Yeah,it used to be on the radio show,
right, So that's absolutely right.You know, FWC is broken up
into six divisions. One's law enforcement, there's other arms that's hunting and game
management, habitat and species fresh fish, marine fish research. So they each

(04:34):
have a different specific task. Butwhat we do is manage game species for
their well being and for the wellbeing of people and for their long term
success. Okay, sitting here drinkingthis low's water, and all I can
say for it is it's we itis. It's not delicious anyway, I'm

(04:54):
sorry. We got to do somehumor in the show. So so you
have you've been hosting these seminars,and I went to the one in Marianna
recently about chronic waste disease in Florida. You know, we've been we've been
dreading this for the longest time becauseyou know, we were having the bone
out stuff, I think in Georgiato bring it to Florida already, and

(05:15):
then there was you know, andthen we travel and hunt all that,
and you know, so is chronicwaste disease? Then I've talked about on
the show. But I'm not thatsmart. So what is that? Tough
question to get across because it's areally complex disease. But I'm gonna try
to make it as simple as possible. So chronic wasting actually prion I know,

(05:39):
right, you can. I canavoid primes, we can do that,
so I try really hard to avoidthem. Yeah. So so,
yeah, I don't eat brains.Yeah yeah, chronic wasting disease. It's
just what it sounds like, chronicneeds. It takes a long time to
develop this in and developing a deerovernight two years usually until we see the
symptoms in a deer wasting. Thedeer wastes away as it gets this disease

(06:00):
that inhibits its brain. Right,it starts to get spongy in appearance,
and they are going to get confusedand it's going to cause their eventual death.
So you know what it is isit's not caused by a bacteria or
a virus like we think of ofother diseases. And here's where avoid preons.
You know, this is caused bya protein. I think most folks
we can think about proteins and howthere's those building blocks in our body,

(06:24):
and these proteins are misfolded, andwe still don't understand a lot about this
disease and how it actually Then weknow it's taken in by the deer,
usually by ingestion or other ways ofphysical contact, but we don't really know
how. Then it becomes replicated inthe body and this causes the disease.
There's a lot of unknowns here,but at its core, it's a protein,
and this protein's misfolded. I liketo think of it as the deer

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brings in a bad blueprint and itstarts making that bad blueprint. And if
you look at a healthy deer's braintissue, if you slice it looked at
under a microscope, it's dense it'shealthy. We can all think of what
we've seen in like medical shows andthings like that. If we look a
deer that's suffering from chronic wasting disease, it quite literally gets these pockets,
these lesions that look like a sponge. So that's going to lead to that

(07:08):
deterioration of the deer, and it'salways fatal. Snow vaccines. The only
prevention we know of now is touse the best methods that we've seen used
in other states. You know,we work to keep deer populations at appropriate
level and just try to reduce waysthat we're creating places where deer can come
into contact where we can control it. We can't control it in every place,

(07:29):
but wherever we can help, andthat's where you see some of these
regulations that people are seeing now thathopefully are in place just for the short
term while we get this figured out, but we're going to find out ways
to try to mitigate the disease.So you've got an area that's specifically being
targeted right now this year, that'sright, because you had a case on

(07:49):
a road killed deer that were theroadkilled deer normally submitted or somebody just out
of that they all collect this oneout of blue or what they are.
That's a good question, and soI can rewind. We found this deer
over the summer, and this isa four and a half year old deer.
We found about six miles south ofthe Alabama border on State Road seventy
nine, and we found it asroadkill. And that's an important question of

(08:13):
why roadkill because we were looking forroadkill. About two years ago we implemented
a new process for looking for thisdisease, and you'll hear us call it
our disease surveillance. We used tojust look broadly across the state, and
so we worked with Cornell University todevelop a model that said, where's the
most likely places to find CWD,and let's focus more of our efforts there.

(08:35):
So we did that. We lookedat factors like what kind of deer
most likely to have CWD. Weknow roadkill deer more likely, probably because
of the confusion that it causes theywander out into traffic. We know that
the disease prevalence is more an adultdeer bucks especially, so we look for
those. We also know if you'rebordering a state that's known to have CWD
in this case Alabama, and thenwe look at several other risk factors.

(08:58):
That process to us to look atJackson County first, Holmes County second,
and so on. Another big partis we've got heavier deer densities in the
Panhandle, so that was a bigpart. So roadkills were important for us
to look at. We can alsopick those up year round, so our
bile just our law enforcement officers,they've been asked that when they're driving around
the state, they pick up samplesand in this case, a bile just

(09:20):
noticed the deer, they took thesample, and it just happened to be
the one that tested positive. Well, I can tell you what, there's
a lot of roadkill do on aregular basis between my house and town.
It's like they just stand out bythe road. But okay, well we're
coming in on the break. We'regoing to have you back on the next
segment as well, so we'll continuethis conversation and as far as you know,

(09:41):
helping find the population, yeah,we're all about it. About doing
that within reason. Obviously, gotto be careful joking with the FWC guy.
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right. So we're here with GeorgeWharton with the FWC talking about and this
is Florida. I know about halfour listening audience in Alabama, so I'll
just don't have to work with uson this today because the same things affect
y'allas to the bill. Just inAlabama. We just we're close. So
I noticed it in Alabama. Iwant to get back to where we were,
but I noticed in Alabama they're startingto increase the number of drop off

(11:13):
points for CWD testing, particularly alongthe souther the south of Dothan area.
That's correct. I was up inRohoba the other day. They got a
freezer in there would drop off instructionsand the bags and everything, and that
wasn't there last year to my recollection. So they're increasing their efforts as well.
They are. We work closely withAlabama and their efforts right now or

(11:33):
to not create any zone that's goingto prohibit hunters from having a less than
normal season, but they want moresamples. They're going to heavily increase sampling
and take a look at what happensafter the season. So the area that
has been restricted because there's there's there'swhat is it D two DM two?
Okay, DM two, You've gotone area that you can't take a deer

(11:56):
carcass out of? Is that correct? Explaining that cohole concept? Yeah,
that would be good. You knowwhat we've done is when we first detected
chronic wasting disease in Florida. Ittriggered a management plan that we've had in
place and know two that this isa joint effort between Florida Fish and Wildlife
and Florida Department of Agriculture. Sofor years we've developed this plan, we've
practiced the plan, and so wefollowed that plan when we found the disease

(12:18):
and it tells us to set upa zone to contain the disease. What
we did was we tried to makethat zone as small as possible so that
it impacted as few hunters as fewpeople, but it could successfully hopefully contain
this disease. So we have twodifferent zones in Florida. First one is
the most important. That's the ChronicWasting Disease Management Zone. And that zone

(12:39):
is basically, if you can picture, it's going to be south. It's
mostly Holmes County, but it's goingto be south of the Alabama line,
everything west of two thirty one,east of State Road eighty one in north
of Ien And this is on ourwebsite, so you can see a picture
of this zone. What we dois we use major high ways and landmarks

(13:01):
because we can't just draw circle.Otherwise we draw a fifteen mile circle and
we'd say this is it cut somebody'sfood plot in half. So and if
we did that, it would gosouth of Ien up into Alabama. We've
got to use borders that are recognizableand understandable. So we cut it a
little. We made it a littlesmaller in the south because Ien, although
deer get across, it can bea successful barrier for slowing down deer.

(13:22):
So in that area, that's wheremost of the new rules and regulations that
are done through executive orders, sohopefully these will be temporary, will adapt
these through time. That's the zonewhere it's really important for people to know
that right now there's a prohibition onfeeding deer and feeding deer. That's everything
from your corn, mineral, saltlicks, all of it. And that's
really important in the early stages.I know it's tough on hunters, but

(13:46):
it's important because anything we can doto reduce unnatural congregations of deer, multiple
deer putting their noses and mouths inone pile. Now, folks ask us
about food plots. Food plots arestill allowed. You know, it's tough
to say and shut down agricultural operations, things that have greater economic impact,
food plots, especially smaller food plots, they still can be higher risk,

(14:09):
but at this point we're not lookingto just throw everything at it. We
want to take careful steps to dowhat we can. So other important things
are carcass transport. If you're huntingwithin that management zone this season, deer
carcass parts cannot high risk parts cannotleave that zone. So if you kill
a deer within that area this season, you don't want to do all the

(14:30):
normal things that you normally would,but also you're going to want to make
sure and just like coming in fromanother state, you only want to bring
out of that zone debone meat,clean skull caps, clean hides, the
same rules that have applied for CWDfor when you're bringing things from out of
state into our state. If wedo that, we can really minimize the
risk of bringing this disease out.Now, there's an extended zone you're going

(14:52):
to see when you look at themap on the website, and that's the
enhanced Surveillance Zone and that's homes Washingtonand Jackson County. The reason that we
have that surveillance zone that's bigger isimportant for us to look for this disease,
to not only find how many deermight have it, but we need
to know how far right, what'sthe distribution of this disease. Are we
looking at the eye of a hurricaneor an outer band. That's really important

(15:16):
for us to know. So thisyear we have the Enhanced Surveillance Zone.
So if you're hunting in either threeof those counties, Washington, Homes or
Jackson this year, there's going tobe a mandatory check station day on December
ninth and tenth. Those are criticallyimportant because that's where're going to get the
majority of our samples to try tohave a picture a window into how many
deer might have CWD in our area. And so on December ninth and tenth,

(15:37):
we're gonna have about twenty check stations. Hopefully in the next week or
two, we're going to have thoseposted online where they're at. We're carefully
selecting where they're at. We're hopingpeople don't have to drive more than fifteen
minutes tops to get to a checkstation. We're also going to have those
set up at certain processors and taxidermis, so folks keep an eye out.
We're going to have that listed reallysoon. But like I said, about
twenty stations, to make it simple, on the ninth and tenth, if

(16:00):
you harvest a deer, we wantyou to bring that to us to be
sampled. It is mandatory. Itis part of that executive order. If
you want to stop by with thewhole deer, that's fine, we'll take
the sample. If not, bringus the head. We can take the
sample that way. The biggest thingis we need a head with about four
inches of the neck because we're takingsamples from the lymph nodes. They're up
under the salary glands there. It'scalled the retro feryngeal lymph node, but

(16:23):
it's up on I'm glad you saidthat under the glands. R. I
wouldn't have known where it was.That's right. Yeah, it's through that
clarified. I know exactly where they'restraight there and throat and then the other
important piece is from the base ofthe brain. So but I didn't know
where it was, but he's kindof pointing to it. Okay, I
remember I'm on radio right, it'spodcast. But but yeah, so basically

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we just need that head with thatcouple inches of neck and our bile just
can take those samples. And theother cool thing is we're going to make
sure everybody knows how they're deer testedbecause people ask me all the time,
can I eat a deer that haschronic wasting disease? And the Centers for
Disease Control, well, you knowthey recommend not eating a deer that's known
to have CWD. So if thedeer test positive, it's probably deer you
don't want to eat. We're goingto try to get those test results as

(17:07):
quick as possible when you go anddrop those deer off or bring it to
our sampling station. We're also goingto have voluntary coolers throughout the state.
When you drop those off, we'llget your reporting number that you use to
report your deer now in Florida throughthe app or on phone, multiple ways
to do that. We've got awebsite stood up where you can go in,
put your reporting number and you cansee real time what your deer is

(17:29):
tested. Well, studies that I'veseen on the internet, because they must
be that must be true. True. Yeah, there was studies that showed
that the prions folded proteins can't betransmitted to humans through eating of the deer.
Flesh. But then there was onethat said that some some mice that

(17:49):
had just been you know, saturatedwith it and ended up havings having some
transmission. But you know where Isee the issue is, so I go,
I go kill a deer and Isubmit this head for testing, and
I go to the processor and I'vepaid them to process all this meat.

(18:10):
And now I'm sitting there going,well, I can't get it. I
can't catch it. Well, youknow the centers for disease, you know,
the CDC said I can't. Theyalso the ones that made us wear
masks for COVID. So I cantell you right now that the good old
boy out that's gonna go with IfI can't catch it, I eat that.
But that's on them. You know, everybody's got to evaluate their own
risk in this situation. Do youhear another wildlife have a host of other

(18:33):
diseases you know that that are outthere and we don't really typically talk about
or know about it, And soyou know there's a burden to hunters that
you're going to end up You're goingto end up killing it deer, bringing
it to the process, or processingit yourself, and it's going to sit
in the cooler probably or your freezerlabeled, you know, for probably two
three weeks before you get this testback. And that's tough, but it's

(18:55):
up to the individual person on howyou know. We're the f WC,
we're not human health experts, andall we can do is is kind of
cite the science that's out there.You know, thankfully there's never been a
case of CWD that's been transferred intohumans since we've known about this disease in
the sixties. But everybody's got toknow their own risk. We're going to
make that testing as quick as possibleso people, you know, can take

(19:17):
that that fear. I know,I've hunted CWD states for a long time
and my wife is always wanting toknow which one came from Florida or which
one came from one of the CWDstates that so, you know, but
it's each person, their families haveto identify that risk. We're going to
be as quick as we can withthat testing. Well, this is really
a bridge. So what's happening isthat it started out and you've created deer

(19:38):
zombies, all right, and sothis is initially going to break the bridge
over to humans. And that's whatwe're going to have, and it's going
to start in the Holmes County.Problem is, I know a bunch of
folks from Homes County. Some ofthe you don't go to tell the difference.
So now I've got a bunch ofken folks over there. You just
stepping on a bunch of time.I'm just kid, and I don't know
anybody from Holmes County, Yes,I think anyway, and some people I

(20:03):
know real well, no eig.So yeah, so what else other the
things we've discussed right now? Isthere anything else you think is super important
that people know? Or one thingreal quick? So on a knife intent,
somebody shows up with a trophy,but you're not keeping the head.
You're just going to test it andthey're going to leave and everything's gonna be

(20:25):
good. Right, That's right.Yeah, there's no part of the process
that's going to ruin anybody's mounts.Everybody can keep every part of their deer
except for those two little pieces thatwe need. And so we're also working
with taxidermis and processors because they canbe a part of this process. And
I'll tell you any taxidermist or processorsthat are listening, we have a program
where we can reimburse you for thissample, and that makes it easier on

(20:48):
hunters too, if they can justgo to the processor and get a sample,
take in there and check their deer. We're happy to work with you
on that. We'll pay twenty dollarsper sample to a processor of taxidermists,
so that head you're going to throwaway at the taxidermis's office. You'd like
to collect a sample for us,contact the FWC. We can work with
you on reimbursement. And we're alsostanding up a program you talked about processing
earlier, and I don't want peopleto fear bringing their deer to a processor

(21:10):
and getting a processed this year,keep doing that, keep hunting, keep
going to your processor, pay toget your custom sausages made. Don't hold
back if you have a deer thattests positive. Not only are we going
to make sure that you get yourdeer back, you can harvest another deer.
It's not going to count towards yourlimit. But also we're working with
the Wildlife Foundation of Florida, anonprofit organization, to where we can reimburse

(21:33):
your processing fees. So if you'reone, I hope that we don't find
any more positives. But if youwere one, you paid one hundred dollars
in processing, we'll work with itto get your reimbursed. We don't want
this to be a burden. That'sawesome. That is awesome. Yeah,
that's good. That's good. SoI got a question for you, and
I know we got we're coming towardsend this segment. But where do you
as a biologist, as a scientists, where do you think this? How

(21:53):
did this get to Florida. That'sa tough question. We will never know,
you know, most states don't havethat luxury to know. You know,
it's it's tough. We've looked atthis deer. We've done genetic testing.
We know it's a deer that's fromHolmes County. It matches the genetics
of deer in Holmes County. Sowe didn't get out of a high fence
or get imported or whatever. It'sjust we don't believe that. So you

(22:15):
can't point at one thing or another. Most states never will and that's unfortunate.
And this probably isn't the first deerto have it in Florida. It's
just the first one we found.That's a tough thing. We just have
to know that we have it andwe're going to move forward. It's been
I think it's been prevalent out westmore than it has in the Southeast.
Has been very prevalent in Texas,and you know, Mississippi even I think

(22:37):
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you're if unless you listen only onthe radio in Tallahassee, on the radio,
it's like on the frontage Road,just off the frontage Road. Yeah.

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we want you to listen to uson the radio. I mean,

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that's where our advertisers are. That'syou know, guess what you have access
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know, when watching the video andall that. Uh so, not everybody
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wherever you at. I take mesome of that. I like that.

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I keep saying Fort Ruoger they renamedFort Rutger, but I can't remember the
name of it, so I don'tknow what it is. Something else named
after somebody who legitimately is a warhero, and all that's I don't know,
we know what you're talking about there, because I wonder. I wonder
if everybody else that's got Fort Rutgerthis and Fort Rucker that, and there's
all the roads name for I wonderif they all got you know, are

(26:22):
they gonna follow suit or all overthe country? Is wochism in America,
folks, That's what this is.It's wochism. Everybody's everybody's U What was
it? I wish I could wakeup and it not be true, but
it is, But it is.But it is living in a new world,
well an old soul. Yeah,yeah, I harkened back to the

(26:44):
there's a movie that's no country forold men. Remember that movie. I
kind of live that sometime and justshake my head going, you know,
in the words of you for TeaJustice, what's the well coming to is
just you know, uh, it'sa it's a rough time right now all
over the world, and it's youknow, it's a scary time. Scaredness.

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Yeah, yeah, a scary timefor Armadaler is in my mama's yard.
I can't tell you that Aftercau's noRobert my stepdad apparently, see mama
Mama spends a lot of time onher flowers and her garden and her peppers,
and not so much on peppers anymorebecause she used to make a lot
of pepper sauce and after a fewoh yeah, after a few years it
turned into work. So she's gother special batches that's still around. She

(27:29):
makes little, but she's got allthese flowers and bulbs. Marmadilla's the robber's
up. I had to get hima box of four ten shelves of the
day. Wanted some number four.I got it. All we had was
BBB's which will work. And uhso he's up at like twelve or thirteen
of them now and yeah, he'spretty good track he'd come home. There's

(27:52):
there's one that walked out in theyard and it just stood there for a
minute, and I said, yeah, I know he did. Just he's
not just standing there hanging on justa minute. I got something for you.
You can't get in by I can't. You know. I go out
and let the dog out at nightbefore I go to bed. That's when
Norman Dealers are there. And shegets after him pretty good. And I'm
like, yeah, you mess upand catch one in things and wish you
didn't. I will tell you thatwhen the dog brings home the stinky road

(28:15):
futred remains of one. Yeah,in the smell, what is that dog?
Gone? Burdened doll chewing on inthe backyard and this possums and armadalas
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with George Wharton with the FWC talkingabout chronic waste disease. This is this
is going to be the CWD showand easy title for me. Yeah there,
you're creating the podcast deer Zombies.So, so you mentioned that if

(30:26):
taxi who all can get twenty dollarsahead for bringing you samples? Who can
do that? Taxidermists, processors?You got it right there, taxidermis and
processor. So so kind of goodold boy that goes around and cuts the
head off a road kill, bringhim in and get twenty dollars. Big
you open that up, there willbe forgetting, big man, my whole
twenty dollars. I know rednecks thatwill run off the road to head it

(30:48):
there to collect that twenty bucks.Get a lot of sample. How much
damage due to your truck. Wellthat's what I got this bumper for.
That was a got one. Sorry, don't hit enough of them in a
no, don't do that. That'sa I have I have eating roads,
says. We get those back inthe day when it's deputy sheriffs. You

(31:11):
get that roadkill and you're out thereon that crash and that deer just died,
and call you buddy, hey man, hemen, we got a deer
on side. Good use of theresource. Well it didn't go to waste.
I mean, you know, youshow up. I mean it was
one of there's some twenty dollars ahead. My yard deer is starting to look
pretty entice. That's funny. Buttaxidermis and processors primarily because the way we

(31:33):
have it set up, it's it'sgoing to be a business that gets reserved.
But my processor, I'm gonna getten of that twenty I'm gonna bring
you ahead and hey turn that in, Hey work it out with them.
But but you know, and sothe more people that sign up for that,
there's not only do we want tomake sure that we're getting money into
the local economy during this time ratherthan having a state employee at a check
station. If we can get moneyinto a local business, that's important for

(31:56):
us. We want processors and taxihermis to be successful. But on the
flip side, then we're going toget samples at a reasonable cost. So
Sander the state money hunters need beingbeing hunters means being a conservation is to
a great degree, and they needto get involved in this because we need
to stop this thing. We needto stop this stuff and it as best
we can do everything we can tomanage this, stop this, keep this

(32:19):
from infecting our herd because it insome states it has been absolutely devastating to
their to their hunting tourism stuff.And there it's been it can be devastating.
There's you know, the I wasreading an article where lady had a
herd and a high fence, andthe high fence operations out in Texas have
been financially just decimated by this disease. Uh, inside their fences, you

(32:44):
know, where they're there. They'vegot a big you know, thousand acres
fenced in or whatever, and theirwhole herd gets it and they go in
there and they lose everything. Well, we don't want to lose the resource.
We love to hunt and all that, so you know, we people
need to be involved in it.Hunters need to be involved in it so
that we can put a stop tothis stuff. The thing is, it's
the different, it's different, it'schanging. You know. Anytime y'all change

(33:06):
anything, everybody is like, well, it's not the way we've always done,
And yes, that's true. Butthe thing is is it's an ever
evolving world and we're always having toconstantly look at Okay, how do we
better manage our resources? I mean, you know, not everybody's going to
agree with some new fishing limit forsomething off in the water and this.
Everybody's going to argue and say whatever, and they're generally looking out, you

(33:29):
know, for what they think.They also don't have all the information that
you guys have. And when itcomes to and you don't deal with that
stuff, do you deal with withfour legged critters and birds and Messley.
You do deal with birds and stufflike that too. If you can hunt
it, it's in our division,including alligators. Yeah. So the thing
is is, there's there's somebody's gotto analyze the science. Somebody's got to

(33:50):
be counting numbers. And lord knows, we're not short on alligators right now,
but there there there. That's whythere are so many nuisance gator trappers
and hunters. I guess you've gotthose in zones we'll get. You're gonna
come back for a show on alligatorslater on when it's close to that,
whether you start putting in for thosetags and stuff. That's going to be

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this summer, this summer, andI tell you, if alligator hunters are
listening here in Florida, stay tunedfor our December Commission meeting FWC Commission Meeting.
That's where we're going to bring huntingrules and regulations. Every year in
December we bring o hunting rules andregulations, but also we're going to have
we're looking to create some more alligatorhunting opportunities and we're hoping to present on
that in December, So stay tuned. We're hoping to make a new tag

(34:34):
type. We're working hard. Wehear everybody saying we want more opportunity.
There's plenty of alligators, we hearyou, and we're working on it,
so stay tuned. But I'm happyto come back and talk about alligators.
It's growing in popularity. That's good. This may be a huge question to
do a whole nother show on,but I'm hearing every day from customers from
the coastal area that come up hereto do business with me. What about
the bears, Yeah, it's Iam here every day from South lee On

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County will Color Franklin Golf. Youcan't you can't hunt bears the I know
you can't, but there's a wholebunch I'm wish when when you have that
day, all of the tree huggingfolks just have a conniption fit because you
shot some bears because they're lovable.I have been to a call on Highway

(35:21):
twenty where a woman's dog ran outand barked to the bear, and the
bear ate the dog in front ofthe woman and they came out and tranquilized
the bear from the tree and justand moved it. And the whole time
I'm sitting here going I don't knowthat bear through that experience. I mean
to say that in front of you, But I'm assuming the bear issue is
being studied, addressed, and workedon as we speak because of the upproar

(35:45):
in general from those crystal bearers.Absolutely, yeah, I'm actually I'll be
heading out a Franklin County after thisand and hanging out with folks down there
tonight. But but yeah, it'sit's an issue that could definitely take up
a whole nother discussion. It couldbe a complicated issue, but it's got
some simplicity to it as well.But the bottom line is, you know,

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the agency is going to continue tolook at ways to where we can
best conserve bear populations and also workwith folks, especially in areas where they're
seeing impacts from bears that are becomingproblematic in a community. Right And so
we're going to be continuing to havea bigger presence in those coastal communities.
Next week, I'll be visiting withLiberty and Gulf Counties as well, And

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so you know, this is anever moving target and managing bears in a
way that's acceptable for all Floridians,and I'm confident we're going to get there.
But it's a tough discussion. It'smuch different than alligators and deer.
Yeah, I know it is,and it's just I hear it every day
from people in that and I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure you're hearing
it every day from people, Andyeah, there are practices that we can

(36:50):
do better. And just like Itold somebody other day, I have zero
desire to hunt a bear, tokill a bear, and I'm a hunter,
I just that's not my thing.I don't, I don't. I'm
not opposed to it, but notmy thing. It's not something I'm gonna
go out of my way to gohunt. But there has to be a
way to that humans and bears cancoexist to some degree. And I think

(37:15):
a lot of it's probably that thebears are no longer in fear of humans,
so you've got to figure out howto scare the bear without necessarily hunting
the bears. So we're developing moreand more pleasures for the bear habitat.
So we've got a big state,a growing population of people, and you've
got healthy wildlife populations in general.The same goes with alligate, alligators to

(37:35):
crocodiles. Another one that actually fallsinto our program, and we're seeing them
do really well expanding into areas.And so you've got you've got great conservation
measures throughout Florida that have had speciescome back and be healthy. And at
the same time, we've got healthypeople populations and a lot of these animals
and people interact in certain places,and you know, we're going to have
to continue to focus on it,have adaptive plans that address all those animals.

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Bears include it, and you knowwhen you look at the bear Management
Plan, you know it includes huntingand many other tools that we can use.
And as Floridians, it's it's abig job to come together and talk
to folks and find out what worksfor everybody in a way that we can
get to the right places. So, yeah, bears another wildlife. As
we grow as a state, it'sgood, it's good for the economy.

(38:19):
We just have to figure out howwe all interact, especially in places that
are growing. Here in the Panhandle, we're seeing growth. You know that
that I grew up in Peninsula,Florida on the east coast, and so
I grew up seeing that and we'reseeing more of it here in the Panhandle,
and we're just gonna have to keepit apting real quick before you go.
You and I had a conversation aboutdeer corn out in the store a
little while ago. You mentioned somethingabout feeding corn that gets old. Just

(38:43):
pouring it on the ground is notgood because it develops applotoxin. It can
kill your turkeys real quick. Wegot about it less than a minute.
Can you kind of kind of hitthat a minute's tough for affleotos and we
can take an hour on that.But I would just say long to say
yeah, I know, right,So I would just say, you know,
you know, feeding wild life,especially in hunting purposes, using corn,
you can do a lot of goodthings, but just like any feed,

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you just want to be careful headinginto this hunting season that you're using
the appropriate feeders that are keeping yourfeed dry. And you know the in
Florida it's hot even through the winter, and so when you have corn,
any kind of food source like thatpiming up on the ground, it can
build up bacteria and often we overlookits impacts to wildlife because we don't see
it. But those afflotoxins can bedeadly to turkeys. They can really cause
some liver damage, health problems indeer. So you know we could we

(39:28):
could definitely talk about in another episode, but I would just say, you
know, you know, using feedfor wildlife is excellent. You can do
a lot of good biology with it. But ask people to just think about
how they're distributing that here in Florida, good dry feeders that's feeding the right
amount at the right time. Notonly can that be helpful for those wildlife,
but also can help you with thoseimpacts to bears on other eddies.

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So that's what you're saying, isany come here by deer feeder, not
just for it on the ground.So they're from the director of all right,
Hey, it's been great having youon the show. Thank you very
much. We can get their efficiencysegment next when we come back in just
a minute. Look forward to havingyou back as soon as it's a timely
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So I appreciate Director Worth and George. I don't know people's titles, man,

(42:27):
I don't even like when people callme mister. I appreciate him coming
on the show because that's probably oneof the more informative on the You know,
we've been talking about CWD for awhile, probably boring a bunch of
y'all, and it is a itis something we need to pay attention to
as as sportsmen, as outdoors people, as as hunters, and just as
people that care about our environment.It's it's it has been devastating in other

(42:52):
parts of the country. Well,you talked on the break about your up
there in the Claring Lakes area andall the deer up there in the high
concentration, and that I swear thesereally surpassable, is the high concentrations of
deer like that. And you know, I didn't understand the whole not feeding
them until he said he made Hesaid, you know, when you got
a corn pile and they're all stickingtheir nose down there in it, and

(43:15):
and and then it passes through saliva, and you know exactly. And so
that's how that's why they're saying youcan't you can't bait deer over there.
Because of that, they just startedletting you bait deer up in Alabama,
I think not long ago, andthat this man might end up affecting that.
You see, that's where I cansee if it became a problem.
It could change the way we doa lot of things, because if you

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got in, if you ended upwith a real problem in an area,
then all of a sudden they're looking, okay, well, how can we
limit Yeah, the first step isprobably going to be to take the ability
to put a put corn out,you know, and I would hate to
see that. I know a lotof people don't agree. There's there's even
there's there's hunters that don't agree withusing using bait, using corn to track

(43:58):
deer. I don't care what.I don't need it. It makes it
makes uh, it makes it easierto to uh harvest deer, just bottom
line. And if you you know, it makes it easier for kids,
and it makes it easier for foreverybody. And you know, it's just
something we've been doing here in Floridafor a long time. I think,
you know, in my opinion,and this is my in my opinion,
we've got a really high concentration.We've got a lot big the herd is

(44:24):
the herd numbers and whatever in Florida, Georgia and Alabama is it's just fine.
There's more than plenty of them.Yeah, And you know, but
the more you have, the moreso subt they are to get to be
managed. They have to be managed. So we and he mentioned in a

(44:45):
depredation Permi and I actually have somefor our place now because of the damage
they've been doing to the crops onour property. And so it's, uh,
it's going to be you know,I've done this before when I was
farming peas back in the nineties andwe were hunting deer and depredation permits.
Yes, you can hunt deer atnight. I mean, that's part of
it. That's easier time to takethem some times because that's when they come

(45:07):
out. They're nocturnal. And soI'll be doing some of that in the
near future. And not to makelight of it, because it's a serious
deal we've got. I mean,I go by my sister's house on the
way home and out there in thefield there would be a minimum of eighteen
deer at a time in this littlefourteen acre field. The man planted soybeans

(45:27):
out there, there's nothing but dirt. He didn't couldn't even harvest them.
There was nothing left. And there'sstill some fields there that hadn't been harvested.
But there's there's a man. Imean it's to the point where they're
out there in the peanuts and thecotton and they're doing damage you don't really
notice. But then the yields arelower, you know, with soybeans,
they just eat them all the waydown to the ground. There were whole

(45:49):
fields out there and they're still therethat are literally eight inches tall, all
the plenty of soybeans on them downat the ground. But there's just I
mean, so yeah, we gotpermits, and I'll you know, I
just don't have the with my achingback and hurt hurt fingers and everything else.
I want to have a hard time. So I've been devising ways of

(46:10):
installing, and I'll put an electrichoist on the back of the side beside.
I went to the Chinese tool storeand built me a contraption, and
I'll post a picture on the videoshow of this contraption. But I can
just back up to a deer likea tow truck and just hoist it right
up the truck. Ain't got anew hoist under the shed and a place

(46:30):
to clean deer and say, yeah, well, I showed you a picture
of that huge buck we call Frankthe tank on my property. I kind
of don't want to go hunting bymyself because if I kill him on the
hind the world, I'd get thatthing in the truck. He got to
be two hundred and fifty pounds orbigger. He's a monster, and I'm
like, I got to have somehip. I'm getting too old for that.
We got a question, Paul,let's get the fish and stuff.

(46:52):
We got a question. The gentleman'ssent a question in which, by the
way, I think it's Talent Outdoorsat gmailed dot com. Is our email
account. Is that sounds right?I think that it is right out Talent
out Doors Show. That's right,Talent out Doors Show at gmail dot com.
You can send in questions and wemight answer them. So a gentleman

(47:15):
sending a question, it's probably moreup my alley because I have an exact
same setup this guy has. He'sgot a fish pond at the house,
he's got a dock. He goesout and they sling fish food out there,
and the fish just churn and fish. I love that. A couple
of times a year they like togo out with the kids and try to
catch fish. The problem is thefish won't bite. Crickets and worms.

(47:37):
They're waiting on our food on thepillots being conditioned. Yeah, so that's
what I told him, was Ithink probably. I mean, my kids
go out there and we'll take apiece of that fish food and stick it
on the hook and they'll catch afish, but they're not. But you
go out there with crickets and you'renot getting hard on any bites at all.
So do you think that's really thecase that they're just conditioned the eat

(47:58):
fish food. I don't know thescience to it, but it's funny how
they'll be biting a certain color wormor top one, and all of a
sudden, it seems like every andeverybody else finds out about it. Then
that kind of bike goes away alittle bit. But I think there's there.
Probably is. Probably she probably needsto just focus on a different one.
I used to catch shiners I don'tlike Jackson, and I put out

(48:21):
hog finisher and the had to getin there. Then once I got them
coming, i'd just take my rodand I'd just shake the order and I'd
catch them. They wouldn't throw outno feed m hmm. And when i'd
leave, I'd throw out some feedand go catch some more. Somewhere else.
Huh, I'll be I don't know, don't ask you if it's legally
not, but it's it's a baitfish. It's okay, I hope,

(48:43):
okay, yeah, yeah, orback then it was well statute limitations up
either ways. Okay, Well hedid say I used to used to.
I used to. Yeah, yeah, we used to. My uncle's pond
had had a pond and we'd throwfish feed out and once they eat all
the fish food, they'd hit prettymuch anything else that hit the water.
Book. We would take the littlelittle tiny pellets of fish food and put

(49:06):
it on a brim hook caught outthere, and they'd eat, just catch
them with that. Just those thoselittle things don't stay on there long.
And I remember the kid my aunt, my aunt Jimmy, she's a she's
a she's passed on a long timeago. But she would not eat a
brim out of the pond that youhad caught on a worm on a wiggler,

(49:29):
right, she would. But shewould make dough balls out of flour
or whatever else. She had arecipe to make a dough ball with it.
And as long as you caught thefish, or as long as you
told her. You caught the fishon the dough ball, she would eat
them, now, go figure that. But she wouldn't, buddy, she
wouldn't touch one that had been caughtwith a wiggler. Understand, she's there

(49:51):
eating all kinds of stuff long aslong as you didn't catch it with a
worm. She was fine with it. She'd eat it. But but she'd
make up dough balls, and shemeant you better catch her fish with them
dough balls. Didn't your mom catchone we shell cracker fish that day on
a without empty hook? Yeah?Yeah, empty hook, dropped it down
there and caught one, yeah goldaberdeen or whatever they call them, little

(50:13):
gold hook. She yes, suredid. That's that's my mama's fishing luck
right there, though, Buddy.I think I did get to take care
catch fish out of a mud puddle, had a blast with them. That
was fun. So what's going onin the fishing world? Well, I
tell you what. There's a tournamentgoing on right now, like someone on,
not a big one, but firstplace is ten thousand dollars. There's
like twenty one boats in it,so one in twenty one chance of ten

(50:35):
grand. That was like a trail. They are classics. Here. But
man, the bite has been prettygood. They're hitting buzz baits. Then
they're also hitting top waters there spooks. They've been hitting that pretty good.
Of course they're still hitting worms upthere. But with this coal front coming
in, I think that's going tobe on Thursday, it's going to be
in the seventies. I'm looking forthem. Crap. If you really start

(50:57):
stacking up that, that's some ofthe best eating fish on the lake.
You get excited. But you getexcited about about speck fishing, you know,
I do. I started, Imean, I'm always bash fish for
you know, my whole life,and I started doing about three or four
years ago. When that live comeout and guys, that's just something you
watch to see the fish, theschool of them. You throw your bait

(51:19):
out here, watch your bait fall, and then the fish comes up and
hits it. It's just mind fishreally now now I've learned, Charlie.
The first time I got it,I went out and caught seventy five in
a row. I'd pitch out thereand watch it fall and watch it.
Well, that was the November,the perfect time of the year. I
was like, man, this livescope. Stuff's easy, and then I realized

(51:39):
the fish change throughout the year.Then it gets a little more difficult,
but it is what everybody ever hadtaken. Dave and enjoy what you said.
What you did was you said thisis too easy, and you jinxed
yourself. Yeah, that's probably whatit was. And it got hard.
And you're catching two pounds pounds anda half to two and a half pound

(52:00):
fish with four pound test line,super light tackle, and there's you know,
we've talked about beetle spinning for brimand all that stuff that that is
light tackle fishing for just for afish that's pretty close to the line class
that you're fishing with, is waymore fun than wenching one in on wenching

(52:20):
in a five pound fish or sixtypound tests, because you got to you
got to play different. You gotto. A couple of years ago,
I had a customer he goes,look at that big fish looking at my
bait, and I'm thinking it's acatfish, and he hooked it and it's
got it up the boat. Elevenpounder. Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
Catching big fish on little tackle isyou know, when when you're when
your fish is out classing your yourline that it's it's a lot of fun.

(52:44):
There's there's nothing wrong with that.Man exactly exactly what I'm talking about.
We'll be back next week. We'llsee y'all.