January 27, 2024 • 52 mins
In today's episode, Charlie, J.D., Paul, Fred, and Grant disucss some of the criminal defense laws that the Florida Legislature is considering changing. And we find out that it doesn't seem like what is on the books right now is all that bad.
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(00:02):
And I'm welcome to the Town OutdoorShow. I'm Charlie, and I'm j
D. And I'm Grant, andI'm Fred, but I'm changing my name
to Mohammed Ben fourteen Ben fourteen CaptainPaul tarn Fred. I swear I don't
know what we go do with it. I really don't anyhow, gumment,
(00:30):
What a week? What a week? I got this this weekend. If
you're listening to the show Terrestrial,I am. That means on the radio,
I am somewhere in Liberty County,got helping well behind a bird dog,
helping to guy to hunt, orjust hunting birds or doing something.
Eating some quail today and doing whatever. I hope that by the time y'all
(00:52):
hear this, I would have hadbiscuits. Biscuits. Yeah, yeah,
going to tell you what, that'ssome good biscuits. I love them things.
I've had me a bunch of friedfish this week. We uh,
Robert brought over some We said,hey, let's let's do a fish fry
at the house, and so hebrought over some catfish, and I reckon
(01:15):
he didn't think he brought him.He brought over some brim, some bass,
some catfish, and and uh noteand then with some shrimp. And
so we fired up the old thefire, the deep frier, the double
basket frier out there. Yeah.Yeah, ed that sucker up and French
(01:36):
fries and hushpuppies and we just hadus a good old time. I have
not had lunch as of this thisand then and then he said, you
know, we didn't fry that catfish. Uh, I'm just gonna leave out
ice just here with the rest ofthat catfish in it. Young. Just
so, I've had catfish three timesthis week. And uh, and there's
still cold catfish at the house onthe counter. That's what I had for
(01:57):
breakfast this morning. Explains why yourwhiskers a little crooked. It smells a
little funny smelling. I was wonderingwith that little slime. Yeah, little
slne it smells a little funny.You're talking about some good stuff, man.
I love that, you know,having having I've always just gone,
well, I you know, said, well, you know what, let's
just fire to sucker up and goget me some more oil. Peanut oil
(02:21):
ain't cheap. Good lord, thattwenty five dollars a gallon or something.
It's crazy. Well, I gotit. I got it to the Walmart
and the great value Buget five.It's like seventeen dollars a gallon, and
that fish frier takes about four pointseven gallons. Yeah, I got the
same one, but I have thesingle. Mine only takes two and a
half gallons. But it'll still hurtsyour feelings. Good fry fish anything you
(02:44):
save them. I got the I'vegot this a single version of it.
I love that thing. But they'rein the winter. I just leave oil
and I just keep going. I'vedrain it out, filter it once in
a while, but other now Ijust keep using it over and over and
over. You can do that aslong as you don't get over. You
know, you don't burn oil.Yeah, and that's why by peanut oil,
because you don't burn it. It'shard. You gotta be you gotta
be a rank amateur to burn peanutoil in a deep frier. I mean
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we hang around. I do notmove. You know, Canola oil is
you know what canola stands for.I thought it was like a nut.
It's a switch grass and it canolais a acronym for I think it's Canadian
oil and lubrication. This is thisis yeah, and no joke. That
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was initially developed as a as amachine lubricant, as a synthetic or non
petroleum based machinery lubricant, and theCanadians figured out they could sell it to
Americans and they would eat it eatstuff Friday. All right, now,
I'm sorry, Fred, I Iapologize. I did not mean to bust
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your bubble. But yeah, it'snot only that. Then you filled My
brain can only hold so much knowledge. And I'm gonna forget about ten more
laws because as you just threw somerench your career, some jeopardized trivia in
my head. That's why you havethat. I know it. I got
a care to book. There werethe West Criminal Laws and Rules twenty twenty
four. You know, when Ifirst started to practice law, this is
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volume one. There was only onevolume. Now there are two of these
books. This thing is I thinkgot jury instructions in it, don't it.
Oh yeah, it's got jurytru butit's it's got ridiculous. And they
passing more stuff every time I turnaround. Show the people, Fred,
that's how big that I get itevery year. It's expensive too, it's
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like five hour bucks for these Iused to keep the single volume I'd buy
one every couple of years. Itdoesn't change that much, and back in
the day, now it does.And I would read the jury instructions because
it's one thing to know, well, the loss says, but then you
know the jury instructures bras you couldjust break down oh yeah, that stuff,
(04:58):
but it makes it a lot clearif you trying to understand what the
law is, you can read thejury instructions and that and that's what the
judge is telling the jury. Yeah, this is how you make this decision.
No, that's I learned that trickearly on. I mean when I
was prosecuting, I would go backand read the you know, can I
convict this guy? And look atthe jury instructions. You learn more reading
the jury instructments than you ever readdo reading the statutes, because now whatever,
(05:23):
for whatever reason, they got toput a bunch of oars and wear
ases and all that stuff that nobodyuses when they talk in everyday language.
Well, cops, prosecutors, theyall need to know the statute. But
when it goes to court, Idon't know there is a jury ever actually
shown a copy of the actual statute. So they're getting the jury instructions those
which are codified by the Supreme Courttaken from the statute. Now we get
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every now and then you'll have anissue that's not in the jury instructions,
and then the lawyers will submit proposejury instructions that come from the statute,
and judge approves it, then that'swhat he instructs the jury on. So
at the end of a trial orat some point during the trial, depending
on which judge you have, youwill have what's called a charge conference where
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jury's sent out of the room.Lawyers bicker one another about what the jury
instruction should say. And you knowsome of those can get pretty heated cage
match, yeah, yeah, whichis uh, that's why I've been working
out and uh. And that's that'swhere those jury instructions are coming from.
And you know, the judge sitsup there and reads it like he's the
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guy that wrote it. And no, he didn't write it. He just
sat there and said okay, yesor no. So that's that's what a
jury instruction is. So th Invadedidn't know why you have that book with
you today. Well, the legislatureis monkeying around with the law and uh,
they've got a new you're trying tochange the justifiable use of force statutes.
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This is where stand your ground isfound, and they're changing it.
And now I'll tell you what they'reLet me just read this, and this
is in Florida. For our Alabamaaudience, this is this is a Florida
issue. So now this is andI'm somewhat disappointed in my party because it's
the Republicans that are that are doingthis. So let me read you the
pertinent part of this law and thenI'll tell you what they're doing with it.
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A law enforcement officer is not justifiedin the use of force if the
arrest or execution of a legal dutyis unlawful and known by him or her
to be unlawful. Now what doesthat mean to you? An unlawful arrest
that he knew beforehand he shouldn't havebeen making, or he or she shouldn't
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have been making case he knows.If I show up to arrest somebody and
I know it's not a lawful arrest, I know I'm doing wrong. Right,
Okay, I can't use force toaffect that arrest legally. Right,
shouldn't that be the law that shouldbe in my mind? Well, it
is as of today, but thelegislature in HB sixteen fifty seven, this
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is a proposed law, is wantto eliminate that. So a law enforcement
officer who knows that he is aboutto make an unlawful arrest on someone is
authorized by virtue of this passing.If it passes, he's authorized to use
force that is rough that guy up, even though he knows his actions to
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be illegal. So that's the wayit should be. I mean, that's
the way the law should be.The law should be that if he knows
he's making an unlawful arrest, well, first of all, you ort not
do it. But if he knowshe's making an unlawful rist as the arrest
e, I should be able toresist that arrest. I mean that right,
because he's acting outside of the officersacting out side of their Well,
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what I'm saying is that they're nowauthorizing law enforcement officers to use force even
when they know they're wrong, evenwhen they know they're wrong. Yeah,
that's wrong. The optics are terriblythere. Now you know that would want
that to be the law? Idon't do. You know, we've been
doing this a long time and wedon't want that to be a law we
want. The problem is is peopleview us with distrust already. Yeah,
(09:18):
and now you're going to turn around. That's just given the holies lice them
to go whoop up on some Yeah, it's it's a license to It're given
all the conspiracy idiots just that muchmore ammunition. Yeah, and it's it's
not good policy, and it's notgoing to look good on the state of
Florida. It's not gonna look goodfor law enforcement community. They have already
got targets on them. Why wouldthey why would they change it? Well,
(09:39):
one of these people I think ispushing this is a is a former
prosecutor, and it's it's all forappearance. We want to look like we're
protecting our cops. And I'm allfor that. Yeah, absolutely clarify,
but don't don't don't go that fardown right, We'll be right back.
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to start over? No, we'refine, We're fine. Him hit.
Yeah. So what we were talkingabout, well, we were talking about
(11:05):
before the break and on the break. And I'll probably put some of this
on the actual video blog that someof that discussion, because I think it's
key, it's imperative to know that. First off, I was training law
enforcement officers this week. I sawthe picture. I'm still sworn in an
agency. I am all about protectingour cops, I promise you, But
(11:26):
but I look at it. Iwant to make them better at what they
do. See if you've make iflaw enforcement officers have the have the confidence
to do the job. They knowthat their skill set is where it needs
to be. They feel confident thatthey can do something, or they can
deal with somebody. They can comeout of the other side of a fight
or a struggler or shooting or something. On top of things, they are
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way less likely to actually use forcebecause they don't they're not intimidated, they
know they carry themselves a certain way. They're less likely to be in a
fight, They're less likely to reactwith violence. The more training law enforcement
gets, the better they become attheir job. And if better they become
at their job, less likely theyare to lose control of the situation.
Sure, so that's where I'm dedicatingmy retirement years just to make sure that
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the cops that are around me arebetter at what they do, so they're
less likely to use for it,so they're less likely to be bulliefs.
They're less likely to do those things. And let's be honest, you know
the cop A lot of the copsthat are using excessive force or doing things
or pushing any envelope are doing sobecause they either don't know any better,
or they're afraid, or I mean, there's just a different gym, properly
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trained or improper optic. There's alot of there's a lot of reasons,
and the I would think that thenumber of knowing knowingly faults bad arrest are
going to be just completely tiny,minuscule. Now that doesn't mean it's not.
And a lot of people are underthe misconception that an unlawful rest means,
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well, I got off, Iwas found not guilty in the trial,
and that's not what a false arrestis. A false arrest is where
that he has no reasonable special noprobable cause. This also covers detentions,
by the way, which only requirereasonable suspicion, not probable casts. But
the cop makes an unlawful rest thathe knows that is not supported by probable
cause. Right probable cause, thelayman's serves more likely than not. It's
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a pretty low thresh. So acop goes out and they find out that
their wife is sleeping with some dudedown the road, and he goes out
and stops him intentionally with no reasonablesuspicion, and starts to manhatt I'm gonna
put it. You're going to jail. Currently, Currently that cop would be
charged with long ago, yeah,that kit would be charged with battery.
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He will be charged foss in prison, could be charged criminally, a lot
of this stuff. And then andif it came down to it got physical
and unfortunately the law enforcement officer wasinjured seriously or killed that person that he
intentionally targeted, and like I said, it has happened. They have a
defense against that. Hey, thisand they show all evidence and then the
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jury goes, hey, the juryhas the ability to go, hey,
listen, that was an unlawful therest that officer did so within with the
intent, with with with a forethoughtand mouth. So that but with this
new law they can they can goback and say, you know, what
you know is bad faith and shouldn'thave done that, and it shouldn't have
done that. The rest never shouldhave occurred. But so, but since
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you fought this law enforcement officer,you're going to prison even though you were
in the right. And if thatofficer was killed, there instituting a mandatory
life in prison right no defense,no defense, and so that that's a
step too far. And I don'tknow, I don't know, and I
don't know who's pushing it, andI don't know what the motivation is.
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Was there some incident that happened thatthey're trying to fix for somebody. I
don't know what I read in therewas there was some confusing case law and
that they wanted to clarify it sothat the juries would better understand. That's
a judge's job. That's what thejudge and that's what that book and those
jury instructions are for, is toclarify that stuff. It's not the legislation
shouldn't be writing a statue that impedeson the rights of citizens sets them up
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to just be the listen. I'mall for law enforce one hundred and twenty
percent support law enforcement and like Isaid, do everything I can to make
them better, more professional, educatethem and do those things. But I
don't think that we empower law enforcementto be big brother. We don't give
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the government more authority, more powerand then take away consequences for bad actors.
That's exactly And people ask me allthe time, how can you be
a criminal defense lawyer and be aconservative Republican member of the Republican part,
Like, how can you be acriminal defense lawyer and not. What I
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do is I oppose the government encroachingon citizens' rights and make sure the government
follows the rules of the rules.That's what we're supposed to, that's what
the government is supposed to do.And so it boggles my mind when you
have a member of the Republican Partywho comes in and says, Okay,
let's expand government power. That isthe antithesis of what the Republican Party should
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stand for. Well, we're doinga lot of it in the state right
now. We're doing a lot tomake sure that the state supersedes all local
laws, local ordinances. Now,a lot of that stuff is probably for
the greater good, you know,to keep these little towns and communities that
are run by a bunch of liberalsfrom imposing their will among their citizens.
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And that's the constitutions for, that'swhat the Bill of Rights is for.
That's a check on It's one thingwhere like there's alat and I read Jeff
cot Camp puts out this stuff fromthis Tax Watch organization's part of I see
this stuff almost every day when thelegislature's in and I read all of it,
and I mean I encourage everybody tosubscribe to it because it's it's good
information and I know what's coming andyou can see, you know, you'll
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see something and you look at youthat's ridiculous and you see there's not even
a companion bill and the Senate togo with the House proposal. But in
a case like this, there isan identical House and a Senate proposal.
I think that are paralleling each other. And this could very well happen because
it's we're improving the safety for officers. Where they came out of committee on
to fifteen to three vote, right, and so that's that signals. I
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mean, there's a lot of stuffthat that you know, it's okay.
So you get you get elected togo to the legislature. Sure, that
doesn't mean you have to pass alot of new stuff. No, I
mean, well that's that's Jesse Venturagot elected in Minnesota. The first thing
he did is all right, we'regonna have the legislature meet every other year.
And I'm like, that guy's gotmy he's got it going on.
He's crazy. I take it.Republicans are smaller government. That's what that's
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what we should be get out ofmy business. The perfect example of this
is the debacle at the Southern Border. And you every politician that talks about
everything to do with the southern Southernborder is we got to pass new laws.
No you don't. You just haveto enforce the ones that are there,
you know it. Any new gunlaws, No you don't. You
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need to enforce the criminal laws thatare already in place. You know,
every mass shooting that you've read aboutthe last five years, you can write
a list of all of the lawsthat that guy violated. Yeah, starting
with murder, Yeah, prespassing witha fire and there's there's every one of
them. Okay, is already illegal. Yeah, and so you so you
pass a gun law, Well,they obviously don't care about about breaking the
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primary law. That's one of thebig ten from the Bible, Thou shalt
not murder. Yeah, thou shaltnot do murder. They're perfectly okay with
violating that. Do you think they'regoing to go, Oh, I wasn't
supposed to have but a ten roundmagazine in one gun, So I'm really
anything bad. I think, Well, they want to pass the laws so
that they can reduce the availability ofthe tools that people used to do that.
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However, they're never going to dothat, so they're just trying to
make incremental changes. And what theydo they get so caught up on we've
got to take it. It's likegot to do buy an administration trying to
close the Lake City am manufacturer tokeep them from selling to the public.
And now there's people are starting tocatch on that that's a thing, right,
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And now they're starting to write articlesabout it and publish it, and
you're starting to see it nationally andthey're going on, we got to take
this military ammunition away from you,away from the public. Yeah, but
you can go buy two twenty threeRemington and you can't buy They don't want
you to be able to buy fivefive six, which are virtually identical working
the same gun, Unless City are. They're not the only people that make
that. Well, and the crazything about all that, let me put
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my tenfold hat and be the conspiracytheorist over here. I got it in
the truck. I talked about thatvery thing on the show a long time
ago when it first when it firsthappened. And then the Biden administrator or
whoever, they did a press releasethree day after we talked about it on
the show. No, no,that's not we're we weren't doing that.
That's really not what happens. Andthen all of a sudden, here we
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go again and now all of thoseSo what happened was somebody let the cat
out of the bag too soon andthe timing wasn't right on it, so
they pulled it back. So no, no, we're not we're not trying
to shut down. Hopefully we letthe cat out of the bag on this
and somebody will clear heads, getin there and say, hey, this
is not a good idea, youknow. And the crazy thing is that
there's just tons of this kind ofstuff that slipped through go unto the cracks
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under the radar quietly all the time, and then all of a sudden,
you go, wait a minute,when did that become all the time?
You'd be spright? I mean,well, and the other thing that I
noticed on there, it says knewthat he was making or that the officer
was making it. He knows,not knows or should have known, should
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have known? Is not in there? No actual knowledge and implied knowledge or
two different things. Yeah, Soto the reasonable person the jury, if
they go, well that officer hadall the infration. They should have known
it was an unlawful arrest. Thatain't the words in there. That's just
like hunting over a bated phiel.You knew or should have known that it
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was baited. If you go tohunt on a dove field and you walk
out there and there's crack cornley andall the all over the ground, you
should have known that was baited andgot your tail out of there before the
game ward and shows up. Sothey're eliminating this sentence who is engaged in
the execution of a legal duty.If the law enforcement officer was acting in
good faith, they're taking out wasacting in good faith, and he's just
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gonna say it was acting just period. Here's just acting. They just did
it. It don't matter if he'sacting in good faith. They're taking out
the part that we we know isa major part of how we conduct law
enforcement officers. We act in goodfaith. I take information and I believe
I have a reasonable belief, areasonable suspicion, probably cause you call me
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from across town on the radio overon a cell phone to go, Charlie,
you need to go get Bob Jones. He's you know, blah blah
blah. I got, I gotit. We need to rest on him.
I got probably call right, andI take that. And I'm operating
in good faith based on what you'vetold me. Now I don't. I'm
not in favor of if I showup and say, mister Johnes, I'm
I'm depustructing. I'm here to makethis rest take you into custody. And
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I'm not in favor of making thelegal for him just to flat out go
fight me. I go put myhands on it, and I have the
authority to take I'm doing it ingood faith. Well that's not the law
as it is not. But ifI but if I but if I called
you on the same phone call andsaid, hey, I'm really mad at
John Ce. I need you togo there, and if he bucks up,
you need it. You thumping,you know, if he wants to,
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Amberback, So, I want totalk a little bit about the CWD testing
update. Somebody reached out the otherday and says, hey, man,
(23:40):
you got some information and now I'mgonna look it up. Well then they
looked it up and send it tome, and I appreciate that. And
so the state of Florida has submittedas of January twenty fifth, twenty twenty
four. From July first to twentytwenty two, CWD testing update Chronic waste
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disease for those of you don't wantto talking about this is in the primarily
in the detection zone between Highway eightyone Highway two thirty one north of I
ten south of the Alabama line,so there's some overlap with some of the
Alabama folks. This is encouraging results, all right. So in Holmes County
they had out of they had theone positive test result and I think that
(24:27):
was from the road code bit yep. Okay, they submit they had three
hundred and fifty six tests with thatwere not detected. Jackson County had four
hundred and ninety two not detected,zero detected. Washington had two hundred and
seven not detected, zero detected.So out of all of and then the
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totals further, there's about eleven hundredand there are one thousand and fifty four
not detected, and there was theone detected. And then if you look
at what they've done, it's Julytwo thousand and two to present. Statewide,
they've collected over seventeen thy eight hundredsamples and only had the one lots
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of test that was the roadkill ofHolmes County, which there again before the
conspiracy people go out of that quandit was genetically compared to the local deer
population and was from there. Butapparently we don't have a rampant problem.
But then again, those test numbersare fairly low, but they're also they
are they are testing a lot ofthe hundreds of deer and as of that
(25:33):
report that was on their website,there have been nothing beyond the one.
That's very encouraging. Yeah, Iwould be very happy to hear that unless
I hunted in that zone and realizedthat I had gone off season without baiting
deer with corn, only to findout that having to take down you corn
feed. But that is one partof one part of preventative measures to keep
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it from spreading. And maybe thatwas just an isolated little pocket or you
know, somehow or another that thatthose prions got all the way down here
from probably North Alabama somehow or another, And uh, hey, I'm just
glad they hadn't found any more ofit. And it's not you know,
I mean that that is a itis a giant problem, a giant problem
nationally with in certain places. SoI don't expect those limitations to just go
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poof off the radar for next season. Yet we'll we'll we'll find out,
we'll learn more, we'll pass italong. Well, I mean, if
you want to look at it scientifically, they start feeding corn again and they
might kill more deer, and thenthey get more test results and they get
more they you know, they maybeyou feed corn next year. Maybe there's
corn in my feet at my place. I'm not in that in the zone.
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I'm not in that zone. It'scornering my driveway at the house because
well, you know, the petsgot to have. Yeah, I'd get
out there with a rope try tocatch that one you got. I watched
my wife this morning in her inher uniform, getting ready to get in
her car to go to work,and uh, I thought, I mean,
she got within the width of mydriveway of a little buck that was
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sitting there. I'm like, he, I think he wants to go work
with you. But uh, Iwas like, I'm pretty sure you you
start working with that, And hehung around for the longest time after she
even after she left, I waslike, you worked with him a little
bit. I think you might geta hand feed him. Yeah, we
got him out at the golf coursewanting to get in the golf cart with
us. I had one try tojump into the side of side on me
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one night, but it's because theywere running from the headlights and hit me
at about twenty five miles an hourbroadside of that thing about and knocked me
out. Things out there pulling myeight aron air and handing it to him
in Well, they don't get honey, And would I hit that ate a
little long? I need to nine. They're pulling out with his horns and
all that would take is to goout there was some with some air rifles
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and get close enough. I'm gonnatell you poof, poof kind of.
I'm I'm gonna tell them out alittle bit. I have been. I
bought that little twenty two caliber Gammoair rifle and I have had to be
a ball with that thing. Atthe house. I'm gonna get me a
lorngcloth and a spear. I'm surprisedyou don't already have one. I got
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the Lord cloth, you know,and I can actually see you doing That's
the worst part I can see Fredsitting up in the in the bow of
alive oat with a spear one ofthe little pigmies over there. Are you
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court? You did, yes,I got here Monday morning, had a
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right after my docket se they poppedher up and Dateline people were standing around
there. Okay, So for peoplethat don't know who's that, don Aedelson's
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the one that allegedly, if youreally want to say that masterminded the murder
of her son in law ex sonin law so that that her daughter could
bring the kids to Miami. Therewas an episode on it last last Friday.
They just updated it. You getto look at Jason Nowlan on there
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posing like he's Ken from the Barbiemovie and he's gonna probably appreciate you.
I hope he hears it. Datelinepeople standing around there. I said,
you know, I was on dateLine once and they said yeah, and
I said, yeah, it wasa little hot. I'd gone to see
this girl I'd met online. Andthe next thing you know, here comes
Chris Hansen jumping out of the closet. Folks that y'all don't know what he's
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that to catch you were you werejust going there to save them, That's
what it was. You were justtrying to say. Well, they all
say, I was just trying.I was just trying to come talk to
this young girl to tell her towear people like me. You got to
look out now, try this ownkids. And then hey, for anybody
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uh backpacks, tactical bags, bailout bags. You know, are those
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those bags you were showing you useas a shield. You can use it
for that. Yeah, yeah,you can put you can put one of
our backpack plates in there and thenactually I've got one that there's a holster
and a gun and then a pistol, and then I can put my hand
through the back of it and Ican put a plate in it, and
so you can use it as itas a barricade. Yeah, it's it's
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got to get to the house andI need I'm gonna have to get there
and in one piece and protect stuffis military grade, really high end.
Yeah, it's it's Yeah, it'snot a it's not a it's it's not
a Spider Man backpack from Walmart.These are good bags and you pay,
you pay for them, and there'snot a dealer around. We are.
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We are the dealers. We arethe closest competition to ourselves here in Tallahassee,
where our oathing store is our closestcompetition with this particular bag. That's
the problem. We're doing this show. Come out here a look at this
stuff, and then I got tohave it. And you need this,
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and and UH. In the thisweek or next week, we're supposed to
get some gun boughts delivered to ouroathing facility up there, so we'll have
some up there. We can arrangedelivery and all that stuff too, which
I know our friends in the gunbusiness up there to carry those things.
You probably won't want to hear that, but what I can run you out
of business. We might sell afew, but the UH, we're trying
to expand our offerings there to ourmembers and class. I got to teach
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an actual rifle school this week,which was cool. I got to teach
somebody that had not heretofore spent alot of time hunting or shooting scup rifles.
He has one, but a youngman came there, very coachable,
and I got to talking about Ididn't you know? I start, well,
have you have you what? Youare familiar with this? You're familiar
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with this? Have you done this? You've done that? And I'm getting
a lot of nose. Okay,so when you're sitting in what do you
what kind of blind it's like atent, I said, okay, so
it's a ground blind said, thisis going to be sitting in a chair.
You probably go ahead and find outyou're gonna have a rail bipod.
You know what are you going tohave a monopod? Are you gonna have
a table? You know? Andgoing through all of the things, and
then showing and my normal shooting courses. You know, when we teach,
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you know, we talk about wherewe shoot people. But now I'm sitting
there talking. Okay, here's thevitals on the deer, here's where you
need to be aiming. Here's thatwas fun. I had a good time
doing do that a lot with thewith the girls and the wife. When
i'm you know, Saturday mornings orSunday mornings, one of the other.
Usually I get up early, andbecause I get up early every morning and
drink my coffee and turn on thepursuit channel or whatever on the on the
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TV outdoor channel, Pursuit channel,whatever, and I watch hunting fishing shows.
That's my morning, y'all. LeaveThat's like cartoons when we as a
kid, you know, the oneday a week, except now that you've
got channels that shows that stuff twentyfour hours a day. But that's my
time. Leave me alone. I'myou know, Saturday morning, and then
the girls come out. They're likewatch. I said, all right,
so let's you got a picture andyou get all different camera angles with these
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deer and stuff walking and you gotpause it. Where would you aim on
that deer? And I get themto go up there in point and I'd
say, yep, that would thatwould be a great shot, I said.
Or sometime they would say I'd aimright there, and I go,
no, you don't need to aimthere. Look at the way the deer's
position, you know, because youdon't think about where on the deer you
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want to hit. You want tothink about where's that bullet going to travel,
so that you get an ethical aunethical kill on a deer. And
sometimes that can be normally where youwouldn't shoot a deer. And you know,
when they're broadside, if they're quarteringto quartering away or whatever. So
try to work with them. Andit's good practice for folks out there that
are teaching new hunters and kind oflike kind of like Paul with new fishermen.
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You know, sometimes sometimes what they'redoing, sometimes what they're doing might
be counterintuitive to that's right, that'sexactly right. You know the reason I'm
I want you to throw over there, because what you don't see is underwater,
there's a big log or there's abig stump. I'm asking you to
throw throw your bait over there inthe you know, in the in the
wide open nothing on the screen.You can see it right there. Nowadays
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you could do that. I won'ttell you what I watch on Saturday mornings,
thank you, Fred Law. Yeahsshows I don't watch. I don't
watch any any of that stuff anymore. I can care that I don't know,
just like legal research, you know. Okay, that's what I'm doing.
I'll go binge watch whatever series i'mwatching over there on on Amazon Prime
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or something like that. And there'sa new one. There's a new show
coming out. Was there a Reacherthis week? It's over. It's the
season's finale was last week. It'sstill on there, Fred, you go
back and watch it. You justmissed them, you know, watch that
Joy. There's a new series I'mexcited about that releases Friday or at least
yesterday, I guess by the timethe show airs called uh Masters of the
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Air, and it's kind of likeBand of Brothers and Pacific it's a it's
a it's a you know, severalepisodes, but it's uh World War two.
I heard World War two Air airwar, the combat air combat stuff,
world War two. Yeah, whatis that one? Start today?
That's on I think Apple it's onApple TV. I'm not sure. I'm
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pretty sure it's on Apple TV.I don't know if it's on any of
the rest of them, but uh, I'm excited about it. Some good
What remember Bob a Black Sheep,oh man, happy Boington was my hero
I had I have. That's myuncle. What Robert Conrad? Oh you
know about the same. You gotto come in here with a dura cell
mattery and let me see if Ican knock it off. That's that break.
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Yeah, Bob all black Sheep.I never missed us, never missed
an episode of Black Sheep Squadron.Uh. And I actually read his book.
Now you talk about that dude wasI read his biography and uh,
you talk about a rounder, Nowthat dude was something else. He the
real guy, not Robert Conrad.Uh Man, he was a he was
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a he was a mean drinking fightingyou know, he did everything from from
dog fight to boxing match, referee, the Corsairs. I mean that was
the coolest. That was. Thatwas air. I built model airplanes and
ships and tanks and stuff. Asa kid coming up. I had a
few extra dollars I was. Iwas up at the Woolworth on the hill
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or the t G and Y andMarianna buying uh models and I would sit
there and uh, mamma, youjust like sniffing that glue. And no,
I don't know what you're talking about. Is that why I like this
so much? I don't know.Lot for You is my favorite. I
love that F for You is myfavorite fighter. And the B seventeen was.
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I built a remote control course airyou did? Yeah? Took that
thing, uh this long time ago, and I had that thing flying pretty
good. Took it down to theparking lot Leot High School, and me
and another buddy we got that thingup in the air and some dude came
by with his boom box going onthe radio and it reversed the frequency of
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the remote control. That thing wentdown in the middle of a baseball game.
I had to call time out.I'm out there picking up the pieces
of my airplane. Tell that littlekid to get his airplane off the field
zero got you, I mean itwas old meatball got you. I had
one. I has flight of thatcourse, Sarah, I got one one
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had the gas matter that you fireup, never could get run right.
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Youre talking about remote control stuff.I think if we order to do
is get us a remote controlled boat, tie about twenty foot of male filming
on the back and put a crankbait on it and get Paul to take
us up there. Unlet's just drivethat thing around Lake Simon Old. I
got one for Christmas, and that'sI'm taking it when I go fishing with
him. I'm I'm taking that remotecontrol boat out there. I get a
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bigger I saw a guy tormenting thegator on the on the Instagram. I
watched this video and this guy hadone and he's got a little you know,
not on a little paul In,a little three and a half four
foot players are just aggressive anything thatmoves they'll try out there. Well,
this guy was running his boat andone of them gas powered remote control boats,
and he's driving it back and forthand the gator's going after it,
you know, I mean just welldirectly, he run out of gas with
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that thing, and the gator gotall of his revenge. He went up
there and chalked that thing and Ieat tag boat. I don't think he
ate. I think you figured outit wasn't good to eat and spit it
out. But he sure tuned itup. And that guy's like, oh
what do you do. You ain'tlike you're gonna go out there and fight
the gator over the boat. Geta gator. That does happen, especially
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as it was that you won't seemuch out there right now that water is
too cold, but as it startsto warm up, throwing them top water
frogs. And you'll bring that thingby and you think it's a log and
all of a sudden gone, kindof like that Chevy Chase movie where he
caught that snake out of the OhI've had I've had gators chase, a
chase, a top water bait allthe way you trying to get away from
you pull it chased, always aboat, especially in small little ones.
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Yeah, the little ones are realbad about that. Where you do when
he gets a boat? Uh dernkinga frog away from I want to get
to get my dag on frog sixdollars frogs. You ever had a gator
threatened to get in the boat?Oh, last year, last year and
the guy had a gat climb upon the back of his bass boat.
He heard his dog back there.Oh, that's that's riling. He turned
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look and the gator was crawling upon the back of his boat trying to
get the dag on dog. Whatdid he do? Went back there and
kicked him off, tried to kickhim off. How big was the gator?
About eight foot? That's a biggeor oh, I know it.
That's twice as tall as I knowit. That's what's scary. Why you
keep a paddle in the boat towatch the gators with? That's right,
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I tell you. I'll tell youwhat JD. Ben. I saw a
bunch of ducks today. Of courselast weekend, isn't it this weekend?
Up there? Yeah, I thinkit's either it was either over last weekend
or this weekend. This weekend,this weekend, I'm about about two thousand
of them in the middle ground sectionagain where I saw him a couple of
weeks ago. Man, that wasa bunch of them to day. Yeah,
a lot of those birds are actuallyon their they're they're they're starting to
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head back north again already. Yep. Well it just got I know.
But it don't always make sense.It's kind of like they come down here,
they start they start coming down onhere in September. Right, it's
still hot as blue blazes here,but it has gotten cold. It's a
it's a long The migration to duckmigration is not what a lot of people
think. They think it's just allright, all of a sudden, one
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day, the ducks get up fromwherever they are up north and say all
right, we're going we're going south, and we're going to Mississippi. And
they may end up in Mississippi orFlorida or Louisiana or wherever. But it's
really not a it's not a getup and fly that way and sit down
and there they are. It's kindof more of a look, they'll go
a little bit south weather chains theygo back north a little, they'll come
back a little further or whatever.A lot of a lot of it up
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north is based on the whether ornot the fields and the water is frozen.
If you know you gotta have wetwater, you gotta have you gotta
have liquid water right for them tofeed. So they they'll kind of push
down as far as the weather willpush them, and they go back north
a little bit and then come down. You saw them this morning, Yes,
much of them? Oh yeah?Probably? Uh the last two weeks.
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I think those ring necks ring next? Can the last two I seen.
I was going to get Saturday,but I walked outside. It last
about ten minutes with that cold.I mean, it's warm out there,
now, is it. It's gonnabe warm all through the weekend. Water
temperature in the back what area's alreadyup to sixty degrees really, main lakes
about fifty one fifty two. Theflints still muddy, creeks muddy, but
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the hooch is actually clear, isstaying. But it's a lot clearer than
the flint up there on the lake. It won't be what We've probably got
another five degrees or so before they'llstart sure enough. Yeah, they'll start
to go. I'll start moving mishalling, getting ready to bed. I'm sure
by the next moon, for sure. When's the next moon? I don't
it's full right now, eight days. It's full right now, the next
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full moonbru. Explain me on thenew moon too. Yeah, but I
heard a report they've been catching somebig stripers below the damn on Lake Talquin.
Now, last week you were tellingus they weren't any app I'm not
talking about like I'm talking about LakeTalpain. That's why I saw about last
week the report. I got thishing there, so in it's time,
it was it was kind of shockingthat they hadn't been catching any I heard
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it. So I caught a striper. I don't want to go catch a
striper with you to make that happen. Yeah, that I can make that
happen for Yeah, absolutely, no, I mean I want to go.
I want to go catch a grouperbecause I've never caught a group. I
can I can do that one foryou. That one I can do.
I've never caught a grouper or asnapper. So really not really, no,
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not really at all. I'm justI'm just pulling your leg smelled that
one there. I'm twitching that topwater plug looking for an invite to go
off shore because I don't have anoff shore but I sold my off shore
boat. I don't have a shoreboat anymore. I can take you on
the not Guilty, Not guilty,that's the name of the boat. Like
that one. A JD hasn't hadan eject seat on his. He'd hit
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a wave just right and you wan'thanging on right and just about to go
out of it? Or do youleave to kill me? One time?
We're out there one time Fred andCharlie and I've talked about this a little
bit. Charlie. In a boat, if you can imagine a tom cat
on a two by four floating inthe water, how how that would look
you know where you know, feetfeet spread out? I don't really want
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to get wet. And it isa big old cat. Imagine a big
old, big old cat on thetwo by four in the water. I
mean, that's kind of what Charlielooks like in a boat. And it
don't matter how boat the big is, how big the boat is, it's
easy. I tell you what Charlielooked right at home in the pontoon boat
the other day was by the pontoonboat. Yeah, but you put him
in anything that's near, and hestays way away from the sides. And
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we were we were out I thinkwe were gone out of Saint Mark's and
we're out there past the state line, and and it was kind of his
kind of waves going on, andCharlie gets seasick. If if you know,
if it's Charlie, I don't gripplesripples on the water. He gets
seasick, and he's he's sick,and he's hanging on the hanging on the
boat. And we took one kindof out sideways with the took one and
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the next thing and I hear thisboom, and it was Charlie's head bouncing
off the the te top cling pipeon the like to an slip out that
got it got fuzzy for I mean, he hit the t top on my
boat hard enough to go we're comingin? Was that we know what the
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shore, that the shore is thatway and the waves are doing this thing,
and there ain't but one way todo it. But he was kind
of catching him at an angle,and every time you know, he'd hit,
we were over down around. Wewere over by the rock gardening,
gray hair and all that. AndI wasn't fixing to run in shore to
where the waves wasn't anymore because thenyou find the rock and that gets expensive.
So Lord, your problem on yourprop Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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that's cost you a propeller or yourbuddy. I'm gonna keep that propeller.
Propellers are expensive. I find anew friend. Yes, so I don't
go off shore anymore. Take youoff shore? How far do you go
out me? Yeah, I'll gothirty miles forty Can you see land from
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there? Oh? No? Anglingout there? Now? You see,
the last time men, you wentin the saltwater together, we were having
to push the boat because we stayedin so close. Yeah. Yeah,
that and Corey didn't read the tidecharts right. Okay, the tides,
so yeah, we're fine. Wepulled up the old motor boat of his
up in there and set up thedecoys, and then realized the tide was
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going out, not coming in,and all JD said, I'm gonna try
to get it out here, andyou and Corey stay right here. And
so we sat down with the shotgunsand we're waiting for the ducks to fly
and they're not coming close enough.And I look out there and JD said,
wow, And the motor wasn't runningright. So if it had been
running right, he could have pushedon out there, but it would it
just didn't have enough torque and enoughpower, and he got a little further,
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a little further, a little further. Next thing you know, he's
out of the boat, pushing theboat and it stuck to the bottom,
and Corey and I are sitting theregoing so how long you reckon? We
ought to let this go on,So we wade out there and to help
him. It was so we finallypicked up all the decoys, took him
over there a channel on the otherend of the little peninsula we was on,
and we waited out there, andman, it must have been three
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hundred and four hundred yards. Yeah, I had pushed that boat a good
half a mile by the time theygot to me, and I was sure
glad they got to me because Iwas just about just short of a coronary.
He was in a really good moviewhen we showed up and you can
see us coming. I mean,but you know, it's one of those
things where you're trudging long and thelegs are sore and burning, and you're
like, we can't go back now, we got to keep going. If
we stand here, the task willcome in. Well. Mud motor boats
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are great. This was a surfacedrive mud motor that I had that made
about sixty horse power, so itwould go, I mean, it'd go
wherever. But when you get trashin the carburetor and you can't, it
want doesn't want to stay running,doesn't want to make powers like trashing anything
in the carburetor fuel system I had. I had messing the carburetor and it
just it wasn't making any giddy upand uh. And those things also don't
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work well on the hard sandy bottom, which is exactly what was. What
I was walking on was hard sandybottom. So it was just when I
was a single guy take take aTake a girl over Dog Island. I
always did it on a falling tidewhen you anchor right there close to the
island. Yeah, so you getstuck to tell that kind of like running
out of gas on purposes like that. Yeah, I've heard that story before.
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It's just me and her and thestars. Paul Horse biting right now,
fishing for it. The bass havebeen biting pretty good up there on
the lake, and it's going toget February is an exceptional line. You
get a bunch of pre spawn fish. They're starting to catch them in size,
the same size, you know,you find some four or five pounders,
they all be four or five pounders, and so right the crappie.
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The crappie bite has been a littlebit since they got muddy and high changed
the cycling. That changed a littlebit. But uh as that order starts
a clear that's going to be backgood again too. Three favorite colors on
Lake Seminole for right now would beblack and blue, red and white.
See next week.
And I'm welcome to the Town OutdoorShow. I'm Charlie, and I'm j
D. And I'm Grant, andI'm Fred, but I'm changing my name
to Mohammed Ben fourteen Ben fourteen CaptainPaul tarn Fred. I swear I don't
know what we go do with it. I really don't anyhow, gumment,
(00:30):
What a week? What a week? I got this this weekend. If
you're listening to the show Terrestrial,I am. That means on the radio,
I am somewhere in Liberty County,got helping well behind a bird dog,
helping to guy to hunt, orjust hunting birds or doing something.
Eating some quail today and doing whatever. I hope that by the time y'all
(00:52):
hear this, I would have hadbiscuits. Biscuits. Yeah, yeah,
going to tell you what, that'ssome good biscuits. I love them things.
I've had me a bunch of friedfish this week. We uh,
Robert brought over some We said,hey, let's let's do a fish fry
at the house, and so hebrought over some catfish, and I reckon
(01:15):
he didn't think he brought him.He brought over some brim, some bass,
some catfish, and and uh noteand then with some shrimp. And
so we fired up the old thefire, the deep frier, the double
basket frier out there. Yeah.Yeah, ed that sucker up and French
(01:36):
fries and hushpuppies and we just hadus a good old time. I have
not had lunch as of this thisand then and then he said, you
know, we didn't fry that catfish. Uh, I'm just gonna leave out
ice just here with the rest ofthat catfish in it. Young. Just
so, I've had catfish three timesthis week. And uh, and there's
still cold catfish at the house onthe counter. That's what I had for
(01:57):
breakfast this morning. Explains why yourwhiskers a little crooked. It smells a
little funny smelling. I was wonderingwith that little slime. Yeah, little
slne it smells a little funny.You're talking about some good stuff, man.
I love that, you know,having having I've always just gone,
well, I you know, said, well, you know what, let's
just fire to sucker up and goget me some more oil. Peanut oil
(02:21):
ain't cheap. Good lord, thattwenty five dollars a gallon or something.
It's crazy. Well, I gotit. I got it to the Walmart
and the great value Buget five.It's like seventeen dollars a gallon, and
that fish frier takes about four pointseven gallons. Yeah, I got the
same one, but I have thesingle. Mine only takes two and a
half gallons. But it'll still hurtsyour feelings. Good fry fish anything you
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save them. I got the I'vegot this a single version of it.
I love that thing. But they'rein the winter. I just leave oil
and I just keep going. I'vedrain it out, filter it once in
a while, but other now Ijust keep using it over and over and
over. You can do that aslong as you don't get over. You
know, you don't burn oil.Yeah, and that's why by peanut oil,
because you don't burn it. It'shard. You gotta be you gotta
be a rank amateur to burn peanutoil in a deep frier. I mean
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we hang around. I do notmove. You know, Canola oil is
you know what canola stands for.I thought it was like a nut.
It's a switch grass and it canolais a acronym for I think it's Canadian
oil and lubrication. This is thisis yeah, and no joke. That
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was initially developed as a as amachine lubricant, as a synthetic or non
petroleum based machinery lubricant, and theCanadians figured out they could sell it to
Americans and they would eat it eatstuff Friday. All right, now,
I'm sorry, Fred, I Iapologize. I did not mean to bust
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your bubble. But yeah, it'snot only that. Then you filled My
brain can only hold so much knowledge. And I'm gonna forget about ten more
laws because as you just threw somerench your career, some jeopardized trivia in
my head. That's why you havethat. I know it. I got
a care to book. There werethe West Criminal Laws and Rules twenty twenty
four. You know, when Ifirst started to practice law, this is
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volume one. There was only onevolume. Now there are two of these
books. This thing is I thinkgot jury instructions in it, don't it.
Oh yeah, it's got jurytru butit's it's got ridiculous. And they
passing more stuff every time I turnaround. Show the people, Fred,
that's how big that I get itevery year. It's expensive too, it's
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like five hour bucks for these Iused to keep the single volume I'd buy
one every couple of years. Itdoesn't change that much, and back in
the day, now it does.And I would read the jury instructions because
it's one thing to know, well, the loss says, but then you
know the jury instructures bras you couldjust break down oh yeah, that stuff,
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but it makes it a lot clearif you trying to understand what the
law is, you can read thejury instructions and that and that's what the
judge is telling the jury. Yeah, this is how you make this decision.
No, that's I learned that trickearly on. I mean when I
was prosecuting, I would go backand read the you know, can I
convict this guy? And look atthe jury instructions. You learn more reading
the jury instructments than you ever readdo reading the statutes, because now whatever,
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for whatever reason, they got toput a bunch of oars and wear
ases and all that stuff that nobodyuses when they talk in everyday language.
Well, cops, prosecutors, theyall need to know the statute. But
when it goes to court, Idon't know there is a jury ever actually
shown a copy of the actual statute. So they're getting the jury instructions those
which are codified by the Supreme Courttaken from the statute. Now we get
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every now and then you'll have anissue that's not in the jury instructions,
and then the lawyers will submit proposejury instructions that come from the statute,
and judge approves it, then that'swhat he instructs the jury on. So
at the end of a trial orat some point during the trial, depending
on which judge you have, youwill have what's called a charge conference where
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jury's sent out of the room.Lawyers bicker one another about what the jury
instruction should say. And you knowsome of those can get pretty heated cage
match, yeah, yeah, whichis uh, that's why I've been working
out and uh. And that's that'swhere those jury instructions are coming from.
And you know, the judge sitsup there and reads it like he's the
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guy that wrote it. And no, he didn't write it. He just
sat there and said okay, yesor no. So that's that's what a
jury instruction is. So th Invadedidn't know why you have that book with
you today. Well, the legislatureis monkeying around with the law and uh,
they've got a new you're trying tochange the justifiable use of force statutes.
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This is where stand your ground isfound, and they're changing it.
And now I'll tell you what they'reLet me just read this, and this
is in Florida. For our Alabamaaudience, this is this is a Florida
issue. So now this is andI'm somewhat disappointed in my party because it's
the Republicans that are that are doingthis. So let me read you the
pertinent part of this law and thenI'll tell you what they're doing with it.
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A law enforcement officer is not justifiedin the use of force if the
arrest or execution of a legal dutyis unlawful and known by him or her
to be unlawful. Now what doesthat mean to you? An unlawful arrest
that he knew beforehand he shouldn't havebeen making, or he or she shouldn't
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have been making case he knows.If I show up to arrest somebody and
I know it's not a lawful arrest, I know I'm doing wrong. Right,
Okay, I can't use force toaffect that arrest legally. Right,
shouldn't that be the law that shouldbe in my mind? Well, it
is as of today, but thelegislature in HB sixteen fifty seven, this
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is a proposed law, is wantto eliminate that. So a law enforcement
officer who knows that he is aboutto make an unlawful arrest on someone is
authorized by virtue of this passing.If it passes, he's authorized to use
force that is rough that guy up, even though he knows his actions to
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be illegal. So that's the wayit should be. I mean, that's
the way the law should be.The law should be that if he knows
he's making an unlawful arrest, well, first of all, you ort not
do it. But if he knowshe's making an unlawful rist as the arrest
e, I should be able toresist that arrest. I mean that right,
because he's acting outside of the officersacting out side of their Well,
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what I'm saying is that they're nowauthorizing law enforcement officers to use force even
when they know they're wrong, evenwhen they know they're wrong. Yeah,
that's wrong. The optics are terriblythere. Now you know that would want
that to be the law? Idon't do. You know, we've been
doing this a long time and wedon't want that to be a law we
want. The problem is is peopleview us with distrust already. Yeah,
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and now you're going to turn around. That's just given the holies lice them
to go whoop up on some Yeah, it's it's a license to It're given
all the conspiracy idiots just that muchmore ammunition. Yeah, and it's it's
not good policy, and it's notgoing to look good on the state of
Florida. It's not gonna look goodfor law enforcement community. They have already
got targets on them. Why wouldthey why would they change it? Well,
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one of these people I think ispushing this is a is a former
prosecutor, and it's it's all forappearance. We want to look like we're
protecting our cops. And I'm allfor that. Yeah, absolutely clarify,
but don't don't don't go that fardown right, We'll be right back.
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com. Terrible timing. Yeah we'reback, We're back. You want me
to start over? No, we'refine, We're fine. Him hit.
Yeah. So what we were talkingabout, well, we were talking about
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before the break and on the break. And I'll probably put some of this
on the actual video blog that someof that discussion, because I think it's
key, it's imperative to know that. First off, I was training law
enforcement officers this week. I sawthe picture. I'm still sworn in an
agency. I am all about protectingour cops, I promise you, But
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but I look at it. Iwant to make them better at what they
do. See if you've make iflaw enforcement officers have the have the confidence
to do the job. They knowthat their skill set is where it needs
to be. They feel confident thatthey can do something, or they can
deal with somebody. They can comeout of the other side of a fight
or a struggler or shooting or something. On top of things, they are
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way less likely to actually use forcebecause they don't they're not intimidated, they
know they carry themselves a certain way. They're less likely to be in a
fight, They're less likely to reactwith violence. The more training law enforcement
gets, the better they become attheir job. And if better they become
at their job, less likely theyare to lose control of the situation.
Sure, so that's where I'm dedicatingmy retirement years just to make sure that
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the cops that are around me arebetter at what they do, so they're
less likely to use for it,so they're less likely to be bulliefs.
They're less likely to do those things. And let's be honest, you know
the cop A lot of the copsthat are using excessive force or doing things
or pushing any envelope are doing sobecause they either don't know any better,
or they're afraid, or I mean, there's just a different gym, properly
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trained or improper optic. There's alot of there's a lot of reasons,
and the I would think that thenumber of knowing knowingly faults bad arrest are
going to be just completely tiny,minuscule. Now that doesn't mean it's not.
And a lot of people are underthe misconception that an unlawful rest means,
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well, I got off, Iwas found not guilty in the trial,
and that's not what a false arrestis. A false arrest is where
that he has no reasonable special noprobable cause. This also covers detentions,
by the way, which only requirereasonable suspicion, not probable casts. But
the cop makes an unlawful rest thathe knows that is not supported by probable
cause. Right probable cause, thelayman's serves more likely than not. It's
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a pretty low thresh. So acop goes out and they find out that
their wife is sleeping with some dudedown the road, and he goes out
and stops him intentionally with no reasonablesuspicion, and starts to manhatt I'm gonna
put it. You're going to jail. Currently, Currently that cop would be
charged with long ago, yeah,that kit would be charged with battery.
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He will be charged foss in prison, could be charged criminally, a lot
of this stuff. And then andif it came down to it got physical
and unfortunately the law enforcement officer wasinjured seriously or killed that person that he
intentionally targeted, and like I said, it has happened. They have a
defense against that. Hey, thisand they show all evidence and then the
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jury goes, hey, the juryhas the ability to go, hey,
listen, that was an unlawful therest that officer did so within with the
intent, with with with a forethoughtand mouth. So that but with this
new law they can they can goback and say, you know, what
you know is bad faith and shouldn'thave done that, and it shouldn't have
done that. The rest never shouldhave occurred. But so, but since
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you fought this law enforcement officer,you're going to prison even though you were
in the right. And if thatofficer was killed, there instituting a mandatory
life in prison right no defense,no defense, and so that that's a
step too far. And I don'tknow, I don't know, and I
don't know who's pushing it, andI don't know what the motivation is.
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Was there some incident that happened thatthey're trying to fix for somebody. I
don't know what I read in therewas there was some confusing case law and
that they wanted to clarify it sothat the juries would better understand. That's
a judge's job. That's what thejudge and that's what that book and those
jury instructions are for, is toclarify that stuff. It's not the legislation
shouldn't be writing a statue that impedeson the rights of citizens sets them up
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to just be the listen. I'mall for law enforce one hundred and twenty
percent support law enforcement and like Isaid, do everything I can to make
them better, more professional, educatethem and do those things. But I
don't think that we empower law enforcementto be big brother. We don't give
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the government more authority, more powerand then take away consequences for bad actors.
That's exactly And people ask me allthe time, how can you be
a criminal defense lawyer and be aconservative Republican member of the Republican part,
Like, how can you be acriminal defense lawyer and not. What I
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do is I oppose the government encroachingon citizens' rights and make sure the government
follows the rules of the rules.That's what we're supposed to, that's what
the government is supposed to do.And so it boggles my mind when you
have a member of the Republican Partywho comes in and says, Okay,
let's expand government power. That isthe antithesis of what the Republican Party should
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stand for. Well, we're doinga lot of it in the state right
now. We're doing a lot tomake sure that the state supersedes all local
laws, local ordinances. Now,a lot of that stuff is probably for
the greater good, you know,to keep these little towns and communities that
are run by a bunch of liberalsfrom imposing their will among their citizens.
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And that's the constitutions for, that'swhat the Bill of Rights is for.
That's a check on It's one thingwhere like there's alat and I read Jeff
cot Camp puts out this stuff fromthis Tax Watch organization's part of I see
this stuff almost every day when thelegislature's in and I read all of it,
and I mean I encourage everybody tosubscribe to it because it's it's good
information and I know what's coming andyou can see, you know, you'll
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see something and you look at youthat's ridiculous and you see there's not even
a companion bill and the Senate togo with the House proposal. But in
a case like this, there isan identical House and a Senate proposal.
I think that are paralleling each other. And this could very well happen because
it's we're improving the safety for officers. Where they came out of committee on
to fifteen to three vote, right, and so that's that signals. I
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mean, there's a lot of stuffthat that you know, it's okay.
So you get you get elected togo to the legislature. Sure, that
doesn't mean you have to pass alot of new stuff. No, I
mean, well that's that's Jesse Venturagot elected in Minnesota. The first thing
he did is all right, we'regonna have the legislature meet every other year.
And I'm like, that guy's gotmy he's got it going on.
He's crazy. I take it.Republicans are smaller government. That's what that's
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what we should be get out ofmy business. The perfect example of this
is the debacle at the Southern Border. And you every politician that talks about
everything to do with the southern Southernborder is we got to pass new laws.
No you don't. You just haveto enforce the ones that are there,
you know it. Any new gunlaws, No you don't. You
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need to enforce the criminal laws thatare already in place. You know,
every mass shooting that you've read aboutthe last five years, you can write
a list of all of the lawsthat that guy violated. Yeah, starting
with murder, Yeah, prespassing witha fire and there's there's every one of
them. Okay, is already illegal. Yeah, and so you so you
pass a gun law, Well,they obviously don't care about about breaking the
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primary law. That's one of thebig ten from the Bible, Thou shalt
not murder. Yeah, thou shaltnot do murder. They're perfectly okay with
violating that. Do you think they'regoing to go, Oh, I wasn't
supposed to have but a ten roundmagazine in one gun, So I'm really
anything bad. I think, Well, they want to pass the laws so
that they can reduce the availability ofthe tools that people used to do that.
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However, they're never going to dothat, so they're just trying to
make incremental changes. And what theydo they get so caught up on we've
got to take it. It's likegot to do buy an administration trying to
close the Lake City am manufacturer tokeep them from selling to the public.
And now there's people are starting tocatch on that that's a thing, right,
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And now they're starting to write articlesabout it and publish it, and
you're starting to see it nationally andthey're going on, we got to take
this military ammunition away from you,away from the public. Yeah, but
you can go buy two twenty threeRemington and you can't buy They don't want
you to be able to buy fivefive six, which are virtually identical working
the same gun, Unless City are. They're not the only people that make
that. Well, and the crazything about all that, let me put
(19:44):
my tenfold hat and be the conspiracytheorist over here. I got it in
the truck. I talked about thatvery thing on the show a long time
ago when it first when it firsthappened. And then the Biden administrator or
whoever, they did a press releasethree day after we talked about it on
the show. No, no,that's not we're we weren't doing that.
That's really not what happens. Andthen all of a sudden, here we
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go again and now all of thoseSo what happened was somebody let the cat
out of the bag too soon andthe timing wasn't right on it, so
they pulled it back. So no, no, we're not we're not trying
to shut down. Hopefully we letthe cat out of the bag on this
and somebody will clear heads, getin there and say, hey, this
is not a good idea, youknow. And the crazy thing is that
there's just tons of this kind ofstuff that slipped through go unto the cracks
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under the radar quietly all the time, and then all of a sudden,
you go, wait a minute,when did that become all the time?
You'd be spright? I mean,well, and the other thing that I
noticed on there, it says knewthat he was making or that the officer
was making it. He knows,not knows or should have known, should
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have known? Is not in there? No actual knowledge and implied knowledge or
two different things. Yeah, Soto the reasonable person the jury, if
they go, well that officer hadall the infration. They should have known
it was an unlawful arrest. Thatain't the words in there. That's just
like hunting over a bated phiel.You knew or should have known that it
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was baited. If you go tohunt on a dove field and you walk
out there and there's crack cornley andall the all over the ground, you
should have known that was baited andgot your tail out of there before the
game ward and shows up. Sothey're eliminating this sentence who is engaged in
the execution of a legal duty.If the law enforcement officer was acting in
good faith, they're taking out wasacting in good faith, and he's just
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gonna say it was acting just period. Here's just acting. They just did
it. It don't matter if he'sacting in good faith. They're taking out
the part that we we know isa major part of how we conduct law
enforcement officers. We act in goodfaith. I take information and I believe
I have a reasonable belief, areasonable suspicion, probably cause you call me
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from across town on the radio overon a cell phone to go, Charlie,
you need to go get Bob Jones. He's you know, blah blah
blah. I got, I gotit. We need to rest on him.
I got probably call right, andI take that. And I'm operating
in good faith based on what you'vetold me. Now I don't. I'm
not in favor of if I showup and say, mister Johnes, I'm
I'm depustructing. I'm here to makethis rest take you into custody. And
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I'm not in favor of making thelegal for him just to flat out go
fight me. I go put myhands on it, and I have the
authority to take I'm doing it ingood faith. Well that's not the law
as it is not. But ifI but if I but if I called
you on the same phone call andsaid, hey, I'm really mad at
John Ce. I need you togo there, and if he bucks up,
you need it. You thumping,you know, if he wants to,
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update. Somebody reached out the otherday and says, hey, man,
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you got some information and now I'mgonna look it up. Well then they
looked it up and send it tome, and I appreciate that. And
so the state of Florida has submittedas of January twenty fifth, twenty twenty
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disease for those of you don't wantto talking about this is in the primarily
in the detection zone between Highway eightyone Highway two thirty one north of I
ten south of the Alabama line,so there's some overlap with some of the
Alabama folks. This is encouraging results, all right. So in Holmes County
they had out of they had theone positive test result and I think that
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was from the road code bit yep. Okay, they submit they had three
hundred and fifty six tests with thatwere not detected. Jackson County had four
hundred and ninety two not detected,zero detected. Washington had two hundred and
seven not detected, zero detected.So out of all of and then the
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totals further, there's about eleven hundredand there are one thousand and fifty four
not detected, and there was theone detected. And then if you look
at what they've done, it's Julytwo thousand and two to present. Statewide,
they've collected over seventeen thy eight hundredsamples and only had the one lots
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of test that was the roadkill ofHolmes County, which there again before the
conspiracy people go out of that quandit was genetically compared to the local deer
population and was from there. Butapparently we don't have a rampant problem.
But then again, those test numbersare fairly low, but they're also they
are they are testing a lot ofthe hundreds of deer and as of that
(25:33):
report that was on their website,there have been nothing beyond the one.
That's very encouraging. Yeah, Iwould be very happy to hear that unless
I hunted in that zone and realizedthat I had gone off season without baiting
deer with corn, only to findout that having to take down you corn
feed. But that is one partof one part of preventative measures to keep
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it from spreading. And maybe thatwas just an isolated little pocket or you
know, somehow or another that thatthose prions got all the way down here
from probably North Alabama somehow or another, And uh, hey, I'm just
glad they hadn't found any more ofit. And it's not you know,
I mean that that is a itis a giant problem, a giant problem
nationally with in certain places. SoI don't expect those limitations to just go
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poof off the radar for next season. Yet we'll we'll we'll find out,
we'll learn more, we'll pass italong. Well, I mean, if
you want to look at it scientifically, they start feeding corn again and they
might kill more deer, and thenthey get more test results and they get
more they you know, they maybeyou feed corn next year. Maybe there's
corn in my feet at my place. I'm not in that in the zone.
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I'm not in that zone. It'scornering my driveway at the house because
well, you know, the petsgot to have. Yeah, I'd get
out there with a rope try tocatch that one you got. I watched
my wife this morning in her inher uniform, getting ready to get in
her car to go to work,and uh, I thought, I mean,
she got within the width of mydriveway of a little buck that was
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sitting there. I'm like, he, I think he wants to go work
with you. But uh, Iwas like, I'm pretty sure you you
start working with that, And hehung around for the longest time after she
even after she left, I waslike, you worked with him a little
bit. I think you might geta hand feed him. Yeah, we
got him out at the golf coursewanting to get in the golf cart with
us. I had one try tojump into the side of side on me
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one night, but it's because theywere running from the headlights and hit me
at about twenty five miles an hourbroadside of that thing about and knocked me
out. Things out there pulling myeight aron air and handing it to him
in Well, they don't get honey, And would I hit that ate a
little long? I need to nine. They're pulling out with his horns and
all that would take is to goout there was some with some air rifles
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and get close enough. I'm gonnatell you poof, poof kind of.
I'm I'm gonna tell them out alittle bit. I have been. I
bought that little twenty two caliber Gammoair rifle and I have had to be
a ball with that thing. Atthe house. I'm gonna get me a
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court? You did, yes,I got here Monday morning, had a
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right after my docket se they poppedher up and Dateline people were standing around
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They just updated it. You getto look at Jason Nowlan on there
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We just picked up a whole newline. I hate change subject,
but I got that. We gotto make money. We just picked up
a whole new line of Vertex bagsand gear. Military folks and tactical people,
law enforcement know what these are.Vertex makes a really cool line of
uh backpacks, tactical bags, bailout bags. You know, are those
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those bags you were showing you useas a shield. You can use it
for that. Yeah, yeah,you can put you can put one of
our backpack plates in there and thenactually I've got one that there's a holster
and a gun and then a pistol, and then I can put my hand
through the back of it and Ican put a plate in it, and
so you can use it as itas a barricade. Yeah, it's it's
(32:12):
my get home when you know theurbill mess hits the fan and and I
got to get to the house andI need I'm gonna have to get there
and in one piece and protect stuffis military grade, really high end.
Yeah, it's it's Yeah, it'snot a it's not a it's it's not
a Spider Man backpack from Walmart.These are good bags and you pay,
you pay for them, and there'snot a dealer around. We are.
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We are the dealers. We arethe closest competition to ourselves here in Tallahassee,
where our oathing store is our closestcompetition with this particular bag. That's
the problem. We're doing this show. Come out here a look at this
stuff, and then I got tohave it. And you need this,
Yeah, you need this, don'tworry. We'll give you a dis kind
It's one hundred and ten percent ofretail and the one hundred percent above MSRP
(32:57):
and and UH. In the thisweek or next week, we're supposed to
get some gun boughts delivered to ouroathing facility up there, so we'll have
some up there. We can arrangedelivery and all that stuff too, which
I know our friends in the gunbusiness up there to carry those things.
You probably won't want to hear that, but what I can run you out
of business. We might sell afew, but the UH, we're trying
to expand our offerings there to ourmembers and class. I got to teach
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an actual rifle school this week,which was cool. I got to teach
somebody that had not heretofore spent alot of time hunting or shooting scup rifles.
He has one, but a youngman came there, very coachable,
and I got to talking about Ididn't you know? I start, well,
have you have you what? Youare familiar with this? You're familiar
(33:45):
with this? Have you done this? You've done that? And I'm getting
a lot of nose. Okay,so when you're sitting in what do you
what kind of blind it's like atent, I said, okay, so
it's a ground blind said, thisis going to be sitting in a chair.
You probably go ahead and find outyou're gonna have a rail bipod.
You know what are you going tohave a monopod? Are you gonna have
a table? You know? Andgoing through all of the things, and
then showing and my normal shooting courses. You know, when we teach,
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you know, we talk about wherewe shoot people. But now I'm sitting
there talking. Okay, here's thevitals on the deer, here's where you
need to be aiming. Here's thatwas fun. I had a good time
doing do that a lot with thewith the girls and the wife. When
i'm you know, Saturday mornings orSunday mornings, one of the other.
Usually I get up early, andbecause I get up early every morning and
drink my coffee and turn on thepursuit channel or whatever on the on the
(34:30):
TV outdoor channel, Pursuit channel,whatever, and I watch hunting fishing shows.
That's my morning, y'all. LeaveThat's like cartoons when we as a
kid, you know, the oneday a week, except now that you've
got channels that shows that stuff twentyfour hours a day. But that's my
time. Leave me alone. I'myou know, Saturday morning, and then
the girls come out. They're likewatch. I said, all right,
so let's you got a picture andyou get all different camera angles with these
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deer and stuff walking and you gotpause it. Where would you aim on
that deer? And I get themto go up there in point and I'd
say, yep, that would thatwould be a great shot, I said.
Or sometime they would say I'd aimright there, and I go,
no, you don't need to aimthere. Look at the way the deer's
position, you know, because youdon't think about where on the deer you
(35:12):
want to hit. You want tothink about where's that bullet going to travel,
so that you get an ethical aunethical kill on a deer. And
sometimes that can be normally where youwouldn't shoot a deer. And you know,
when they're broadside, if they're quarteringto quartering away or whatever. So
try to work with them. Andit's good practice for folks out there that
are teaching new hunters and kind oflike kind of like Paul with new fishermen.
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You know, sometimes sometimes what they'redoing, sometimes what they're doing might
be counterintuitive to that's right, that'sexactly right. You know the reason I'm
I want you to throw over there, because what you don't see is underwater,
there's a big log or there's abig stump. I'm asking you to
throw throw your bait over there inthe you know, in the in the
wide open nothing on the screen.You can see it right there. Nowadays
(35:58):
you could do that. I won'ttell you what I watch on Saturday mornings,
thank you, Fred Law. Yeahsshows I don't watch. I don't
watch any any of that stuff anymore. I can care that I don't know,
just like legal research, you know. Okay, that's what I'm doing.
I'll go binge watch whatever series i'mwatching over there on on Amazon Prime
(36:22):
or something like that. And there'sa new one. There's a new show
coming out. Was there a Reacherthis week? It's over. It's the
season's finale was last week. It'sstill on there, Fred, you go
back and watch it. You justmissed them, you know, watch that
Joy. There's a new series I'mexcited about that releases Friday or at least
yesterday, I guess by the timethe show airs called uh Masters of the
(36:45):
Air, and it's kind of likeBand of Brothers and Pacific it's a it's
a it's a you know, severalepisodes, but it's uh World War two.
I heard World War two Air airwar, the combat air combat stuff,
world War two. Yeah, whatis that one? Start today?
That's on I think Apple it's onApple TV. I'm not sure. I'm
(37:07):
pretty sure it's on Apple TV.I don't know if it's on any of
the rest of them, but uh, I'm excited about it. Some good
What remember Bob a Black Sheep,oh man, happy Boington was my hero
I had I have. That's myuncle. What Robert Conrad? Oh you
know about the same. You gotto come in here with a dura cell
mattery and let me see if Ican knock it off. That's that break.
(37:30):
Yeah, Bob all black Sheep.I never missed us, never missed
an episode of Black Sheep Squadron.Uh. And I actually read his book.
Now you talk about that dude wasI read his biography and uh,
you talk about a rounder, Nowthat dude was something else. He the
real guy, not Robert Conrad.Uh Man, he was a he was
(37:50):
a he was a mean drinking fightingyou know, he did everything from from
dog fight to boxing match, referee, the Corsairs. I mean that was
the coolest. That was. Thatwas air. I built model airplanes and
ships and tanks and stuff. Asa kid coming up. I had a
few extra dollars I was. Iwas up at the Woolworth on the hill
(38:13):
or the t G and Y andMarianna buying uh models and I would sit
there and uh, mamma, youjust like sniffing that glue. And no,
I don't know what you're talking about. Is that why I like this
so much? I don't know.Lot for You is my favorite. I
love that F for You is myfavorite fighter. And the B seventeen was.
(38:34):
I built a remote control course airyou did? Yeah? Took that
thing, uh this long time ago, and I had that thing flying pretty
good. Took it down to theparking lot Leot High School, and me
and another buddy we got that thingup in the air and some dude came
by with his boom box going onthe radio and it reversed the frequency of
(38:55):
the remote control. That thing wentdown in the middle of a baseball game.
I had to call time out.I'm out there picking up the pieces
of my airplane. Tell that littlekid to get his airplane off the field
zero got you, I mean itwas old meatball got you. I had
one. I has flight of thatcourse, Sarah, I got one one
(39:19):
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Youre talking about remote control stuff.I think if we order to do
is get us a remote controlled boat, tie about twenty foot of male filming
on the back and put a crankbait on it and get Paul to take
us up there. Unlet's just drivethat thing around Lake Simon Old. I
got one for Christmas, and that'sI'm taking it when I go fishing with
him. I'm I'm taking that remotecontrol boat out there. I get a
(41:36):
bigger I saw a guy tormenting thegator on the on the Instagram. I
watched this video and this guy hadone and he's got a little you know,
not on a little paul In,a little three and a half four
foot players are just aggressive anything thatmoves they'll try out there. Well,
this guy was running his boat andone of them gas powered remote control boats,
and he's driving it back and forthand the gator's going after it,
you know, I mean just welldirectly, he run out of gas with
(41:59):
that thing, and the gator gotall of his revenge. He went up
there and chalked that thing and Ieat tag boat. I don't think he
ate. I think you figured outit wasn't good to eat and spit it
out. But he sure tuned itup. And that guy's like, oh
what do you do. You ain'tlike you're gonna go out there and fight
the gator over the boat. Geta gator. That does happen, especially
(42:21):
as it was that you won't seemuch out there right now that water is
too cold, but as it startsto warm up, throwing them top water
frogs. And you'll bring that thingby and you think it's a log and
all of a sudden gone, kindof like that Chevy Chase movie where he
caught that snake out of the OhI've had I've had gators chase, a
chase, a top water bait allthe way you trying to get away from
you pull it chased, always aboat, especially in small little ones.
(42:44):
Yeah, the little ones are realbad about that. Where you do when
he gets a boat? Uh dernkinga frog away from I want to get
to get my dag on frog sixdollars frogs. You ever had a gator
threatened to get in the boat?Oh, last year, last year and
the guy had a gat climb upon the back of his bass boat.
He heard his dog back there.Oh, that's that's riling. He turned
(43:05):
look and the gator was crawling upon the back of his boat trying to
get the dag on dog. Whatdid he do? Went back there and
kicked him off, tried to kickhim off. How big was the gator?
About eight foot? That's a biggeor oh, I know it.
That's twice as tall as I knowit. That's what's scary. Why you
keep a paddle in the boat towatch the gators with? That's right,
(43:27):
I tell you. I'll tell youwhat JD. Ben. I saw a
bunch of ducks today. Of courselast weekend, isn't it this weekend?
Up there? Yeah, I thinkit's either it was either over last weekend
or this weekend. This weekend,this weekend, I'm about about two thousand
of them in the middle ground sectionagain where I saw him a couple of
weeks ago. Man, that wasa bunch of them to day. Yeah,
a lot of those birds are actuallyon their they're they're they're starting to
(43:50):
head back north again already. Yep. Well it just got I know.
But it don't always make sense.It's kind of like they come down here,
they start they start coming down onhere in September. Right, it's
still hot as blue blazes here,but it has gotten cold. It's a
it's a long The migration to duckmigration is not what a lot of people
think. They think it's just allright, all of a sudden, one
(44:12):
day, the ducks get up fromwherever they are up north and say all
right, we're going we're going south, and we're going to Mississippi. And
they may end up in Mississippi orFlorida or Louisiana or wherever. But it's
really not a it's not a getup and fly that way and sit down
and there they are. It's kindof more of a look, they'll go
a little bit south weather chains theygo back north a little, they'll come
back a little further or whatever.A lot of a lot of it up
(44:35):
north is based on the whether ornot the fields and the water is frozen.
If you know you gotta have wetwater, you gotta have you gotta
have liquid water right for them tofeed. So they they'll kind of push
down as far as the weather willpush them, and they go back north
a little bit and then come down. You saw them this morning, Yes,
much of them? Oh yeah?Probably? Uh the last two weeks.
(44:57):
I think those ring necks ring next? Can the last two I seen.
I was going to get Saturday,but I walked outside. It last
about ten minutes with that cold.I mean, it's warm out there,
now, is it. It's gonnabe warm all through the weekend. Water
temperature in the back what area's alreadyup to sixty degrees really, main lakes
about fifty one fifty two. Theflints still muddy, creeks muddy, but
(45:17):
the hooch is actually clear, isstaying. But it's a lot clearer than
the flint up there on the lake. It won't be what We've probably got
another five degrees or so before they'llstart sure enough. Yeah, they'll start
to go. I'll start moving mishalling, getting ready to bed. I'm sure
by the next moon, for sure. When's the next moon? I don't
it's full right now, eight days. It's full right now, the next
(45:39):
full moonbru. Explain me on thenew moon too. Yeah, but I
heard a report they've been catching somebig stripers below the damn on Lake Talquin.
Now, last week you were tellingus they weren't any app I'm not
talking about like I'm talking about LakeTalpain. That's why I saw about last
week the report. I got thishing there, so in it's time,
it was it was kind of shockingthat they hadn't been catching any I heard
(46:00):
it. So I caught a striper. I don't want to go catch a
striper with you to make that happen. Yeah, that I can make that
happen for Yeah, absolutely, no, I mean I want to go.
I want to go catch a grouperbecause I've never caught a group. I
can I can do that one foryou. That one I can do.
I've never caught a grouper or asnapper. So really not really, no,
(46:22):
not really at all. I'm justI'm just pulling your leg smelled that
one there. I'm twitching that topwater plug looking for an invite to go
off shore because I don't have anoff shore but I sold my off shore
boat. I don't have a shoreboat anymore. I can take you on
the not Guilty, Not guilty,that's the name of the boat. Like
that one. A JD hasn't hadan eject seat on his. He'd hit
(46:45):
a wave just right and you wan'thanging on right and just about to go
out of it? Or do youleave to kill me? One time?
We're out there one time Fred andCharlie and I've talked about this a little
bit. Charlie. In a boat, if you can imagine a tom cat
on a two by four floating inthe water, how how that would look
you know where you know, feetfeet spread out? I don't really want
(47:07):
to get wet. And it isa big old cat. Imagine a big
old, big old cat on thetwo by four in the water. I
mean, that's kind of what Charlielooks like in a boat. And it
don't matter how boat the big is, how big the boat is, it's
easy. I tell you what Charlielooked right at home in the pontoon boat
the other day was by the pontoonboat. Yeah, but you put him
in anything that's near, and hestays way away from the sides. And
(47:29):
we were we were out I thinkwe were gone out of Saint Mark's and
we're out there past the state line, and and it was kind of his
kind of waves going on, andCharlie gets seasick. If if you know,
if it's Charlie, I don't gripplesripples on the water. He gets
seasick, and he's he's sick,and he's hanging on the hanging on the
boat. And we took one kindof out sideways with the took one and
(47:49):
the next thing and I hear thisboom, and it was Charlie's head bouncing
off the the te top cling pipeon the like to an slip out that
got it got fuzzy for I mean, he hit the t top on my
boat hard enough to go we're comingin? Was that we know what the
(48:10):
shore, that the shore is thatway and the waves are doing this thing,
and there ain't but one way todo it. But he was kind
of catching him at an angle,and every time you know, he'd hit,
we were over down around. Wewere over by the rock gardening,
gray hair and all that. AndI wasn't fixing to run in shore to
where the waves wasn't anymore because thenyou find the rock and that gets expensive.
So Lord, your problem on yourprop Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(48:35):
that's cost you a propeller or yourbuddy. I'm gonna keep that propeller.
Propellers are expensive. I find anew friend. Yes, so I don't
go off shore anymore. Take youoff shore? How far do you go
out me? Yeah, I'll gothirty miles forty Can you see land from
(48:57):
there? Oh? No? Anglingout there? Now? You see,
the last time men, you wentin the saltwater together, we were having
to push the boat because we stayedin so close. Yeah. Yeah,
that and Corey didn't read the tidecharts right. Okay, the tides,
so yeah, we're fine. Wepulled up the old motor boat of his
up in there and set up thedecoys, and then realized the tide was
(49:21):
going out, not coming in,and all JD said, I'm gonna try
to get it out here, andyou and Corey stay right here. And
so we sat down with the shotgunsand we're waiting for the ducks to fly
and they're not coming close enough.And I look out there and JD said,
wow, And the motor wasn't runningright. So if it had been
running right, he could have pushedon out there, but it would it
just didn't have enough torque and enoughpower, and he got a little further,
(49:43):
a little further, a little further. Next thing you know, he's
out of the boat, pushing theboat and it stuck to the bottom,
and Corey and I are sitting theregoing so how long you reckon? We
ought to let this go on,So we wade out there and to help
him. It was so we finallypicked up all the decoys, took him
over there a channel on the otherend of the little peninsula we was on,
and we waited out there, andman, it must have been three
(50:04):
hundred and four hundred yards. Yeah, I had pushed that boat a good
half a mile by the time theygot to me, and I was sure
glad they got to me because Iwas just about just short of a coronary.
He was in a really good moviewhen we showed up and you can
see us coming. I mean,but you know, it's one of those
things where you're trudging long and thelegs are sore and burning, and you're
like, we can't go back now, we got to keep going. If
we stand here, the task willcome in. Well. Mud motor boats
(50:27):
are great. This was a surfacedrive mud motor that I had that made
about sixty horse power, so itwould go, I mean, it'd go
wherever. But when you get trashin the carburetor and you can't, it
want doesn't want to stay running,doesn't want to make powers like trashing anything
in the carburetor fuel system I had. I had messing the carburetor and it
just it wasn't making any giddy upand uh. And those things also don't
(50:52):
work well on the hard sandy bottom, which is exactly what was. What
I was walking on was hard sandybottom. So it was just when I
was a single guy take take aTake a girl over Dog Island. I
always did it on a falling tidewhen you anchor right there close to the
island. Yeah, so you getstuck to tell that kind of like running
out of gas on purposes like that. Yeah, I've heard that story before.
(51:15):
It's just me and her and thestars. Paul Horse biting right now,
fishing for it. The bass havebeen biting pretty good up there on
the lake, and it's going toget February is an exceptional line. You
get a bunch of pre spawn fish. They're starting to catch them in size,
the same size, you know,you find some four or five pounders,
they all be four or five pounders, and so right the crappie.
(51:37):
The crappie bite has been a littlebit since they got muddy and high changed
the cycling. That changed a littlebit. But uh as that order starts
a clear that's going to be backgood again too. Three favorite colors on
Lake Seminole for right now would beblack and blue, red and white.
See next week.
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