July 10, 2024 • 36 mins
Frustrated with viral skin care misinformation, Dr. Shereene Idriss posted her first video debunking myths in 2018. Since then, Dr. Idriss has grown a community of of more than three million skincare “nerds” across her social media, and has founded a science-backed skincare line called Dr. Idriss. For Wellness Wednesday, the Internet’s favorite board-certified dermatologist joins the show to share research-based advice and break down why less is more with skincare.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey Bessie's today on the bright side. It's Wellness Wednesday, y'all,
and the nobs Bord certified dermatologist, doctor Charene Idris, is
here to share the best and worst ingredients for our skin,
which products are worth the splurge and weather Filler is
aging us. It's Wednesday, July tenth. I'm Simone Boyce.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright side from
Hello Sunshine, Simone. We're talking about skincare today. I gotta
know what's your regimen. Give it to me.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So my regimen is largely focused around my needs, which
is I have acne prone skin. I have for my
entire adulthood, and so I have spent so many hours
inside the dermatologist's office, Danielle. But during that process, throughout
all the pain and all the pokes and prods that
(00:55):
I've endured, I have learned so much about my skin. Ye.
So my routine is very simple and straightforward. I use
a very gentle cleansing jelly by a brand called Notarium,
female owned sold it target very affordable, it's awesome. After that,
I put on azilaic acid in the morning and at
nights azuleic acid fifteen percent great to keep your skin
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clear and reduce any discoloration. After that, I put on
an SPF which is by a brand called Zitstika. It's
a noncametogenic SPF that doesn't make you break out or
make your skin feel greasy. And then at nights I
do wash again, which I know is controversial, and then
I put on azylic acid retinol for sleep and maybe
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some squalen oil or some sort of moisturizer.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's so good. You really got it all buttoned up.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
How about you? What does your routine look like?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna front with any of this.
In the morning, I wash my face with whatever face
cleanser I have at the time, brand agnostic, it's whatever's there.
And if I'm at a hotel, I'm happy to use
the hand wash soap or the bar soap.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'll like use whatever is around. Oh my gosh, it's
so drying. That strips your skin. I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And then I'll use a Keels face lotion and I
use an SPF. That's the only thing I'm really consistent about.
And at night, I do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I sometimes use an under I cream if I can
find one in my drawer, but I don't really have
a regimen. And I've been to the dermatologist and they
give me a regimen, but it's like four steps and
I have random samples from them, and I know I'm
supposed to do it in a certain order, and I
just never totally understand what I'm doing. So here's my
question for you, though, because I actually misspoke the other day.
(02:47):
I said my great grandmother lived to one hundred and one.
She lived till one hundred and three. My mom corrected me, wow,
And she used like two things her whole life, and
it was like Pond's face cream, which was like very
of her time, and she.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Had awesome skin.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And part of me is like, I know there's science
behind this, but does any of it actually matter, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Do you see a difference, Oh, my gosh, yes, okay,
oh one thousand percent. I think a lot of it
is the makeup of your skin, like the composition of
your skin, the oil ratio on your skin, like a
lot of that is really important. I think it just
depends on the person. Like you can wash your face
with the hotel bar soap. I cannot do that because
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it'll strip my skin and my skin will freak out
and get irritated. But I mean, I am loving where
my skin is at right now, and it's because of
the active ingredients I'm using. Aslic acid is like a
wonder ingredient. I had used it in the past and
then I stopped using it for some reason. I rediscovered
it recently. It is like a game changer. It's amazing.
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So yes, I believe in skincare. It can actually work.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm actually really excited today because our guest is doctor
Sharene Idris. She's a board certified dermatologist who's research backed talk.
She's real as it gets, has garnered millions of followers
on Instagram and TikTok. She's one of the Internet's favorite
dermatologists and really an expert in the skin issues associated
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with aging. So here she is busting myths about the
holy grail of skincare, which is retinal.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Ren It all lies that needs to die from a
forty year old board certified dermatologists who also happens to
be a Rentinoll veteran.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Number one.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You cannot use rentin all in the summer. This should
die because the earth is round and some climates are
summer all year round, and everybody can use a rentinoll
if they can tolerate it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I am with Doctor Idris on this one. Retinols, retinoids,
give me all of them. Back in twenty eighteen, doctor
Idris was so frustrated by all the skincare misinformation she
saw on social media that she decided to set the
record straight herself by breaking down her own nighttime skincare
routine using the hashtag pillow talk derm. So that term
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pillow talk derm took off very quickly, and it turned
into her answer follower questions about which products and procedures
are worth it and which ones are just marketing. And
believe me, she did not hold back well.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Six years later, her skin is just as glassy as
it was back then. And I know you can't see it,
but either check Instagram or trust me, because I promise
it is. And she has a science back skincare line
available at Sephora. Doctor Idris is here with us today
to talk about her hero ingredients, the truth about filler,
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and how to care for your skin at whatever age
you're at.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Doctor Idris, Welcome to the bright side.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Thank you so much for having me. It's brighter already
with you guys here.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
We are so excited to have you. We can't wait
to get the real, real from you. But before we
get started, can you tell us a little bit about yourself.
What would you say is your skincare philosophy.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
My skincare philosophy is that it is about consistency over intensity,
like you really want to be going after your skin's
biggest problems and not falling into the sphere of missing
out on skincare, which a lot of people have and
they end up buying themselves problems along the way. Wow,
they can't fit because they're stuck in this tornado of
a skincare world. And so it's really about being consistent.
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It's not about going wrong and strong, but being consistent
with what it is that is targeting your biggest problem.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
This is exactly what I wanted to ask you about,
because while I love skincare, I feel like it has
been taken over by capitalism. There was an article in
the Cut that compared skincare to a psychological safety blanket,
which I thought was a really great comparison. In my opinion,
the internet is sort of to blame. But what do
you think is behind our obsession with skin care?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, I think the US has finally caught up
to the rest of the world in the sense that
they're finally trying to understand how do you skincare? Why
are we using it? And that's because of the pandemic,
right we were all locked up, we were not wearing makeup.
I think our culture over this side of the world
is pretty much like cover it up, slap on some makeup,
ignore it like you know, like you never really focused
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on our skin as much as we did on makeup
which covered it up. And over the past four years ish,
the focus has shifted and we are now looking more
towards how do we make our skin better because we
had time to try to understand what was on the
market and how it actually worked. And I don't mind
going slow as long as people understand the philosophy in
order to understand how to better help themselves. That to
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throw craft in the market just because you want to
try to gain virality or you're trying to like appeal
to a younger generation who could push a product or
brand further, and unfortunately it's just become overloaded in that sense.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, we live in drop culture right now, and so
you want to have a drop every month, and it's
just it's not necessary.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It's not necessary, like everything great was once new, but
not everything new is great, and you have to remind
yourself that with skincare, especially like tried and Chruse or
tried and Chruse for a reason. And if it really
is great, then in two years it's still going to
be great. So there's no need to feel like you're
missing out if you don't jump on it today.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well said Well, in addition to being a dermatologist, I mean,
you have this huge social media audience and you start
all your videos the same way. You say, I'm a
fourty year old board certified dermatologist. Why do you feel
the need to start with your age in your videos.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's so funny. I started that on a whim last
year when I was thirty nine, and it just kind
of clicked and stuck. And it's funny because people are like, oh,
you're filtered. Oh, you do a million cosmetic procedures. Oh
but you're only twenty nine, Oh but oh but oh
but oh but but no, there's no o butts. Like
I'm as transparent as it gets. It's not like I'm
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a celebrity who's hiding plastic surgery that I had on
my face or some kind of procedure that I've had.
So I figured if I started it by just removing
the veil and just stating what I am, exactly as
I am, it would get rid of all of those comments.
And it didn't fully get rid of the comments. But
I guess it clicks and people like to hear my
age now before I present myself, so I think that's
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going to be going on for a while. But yeah,
I am a forty year old word certified dermatologist.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So what is the secret behind that forty year old
glass skin that I'm seeing right here?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It really is glass.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I'm gonna be honest. Do you have an elaborate skincare
routine or you have a lessons more kind of girly.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Very honestly, Like my sinker line was born from my
philosophy less is more. And there was a time when
I had a twelve step skincare routine, and this was
back in twenty nineteen after I had my son and
I was literally using all these over the counterproducts to
target my malasma and my discoloration because I couldn't be
on prescriptions because I was breastfeeding, et cetera, et cetera,
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And so I had a twelve step skincurutine and it
was completely unviable for life. It was not sustainable, it
was a waste of my time. There was no way
I could get through it. And I just felt like
I was chasing something that I could never fully attain.
And so when I would talk to my patients about
having it even skin tone, I would also give them
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a to sep routine and their eyes would glaze over.
And so when it came to starting a skincare line,
I truly genuinely wanted to simplify problems with very simple solutions,
and so I thought to myself, what are the ten
twelve most important ingredients. I do not want to have
bullshit marketing claims. I want them to be put in
at levels of efficacy that have been demonstrated either by
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the manufacturers or through science through time, and I want
to make sure that they make sense in the products
that they're in. And so that's how the first three
products were launched. And those are the staple of my
skincure routine. I have been using them every single day
since August of twenty twenty one, a year prior to launch,
when I finalized the formulas, and I obviously am testing
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different things as we go along, but the hypercereum and
the moisturizer are the two things that I use consistently
every single day, twice a day. And sounds freen.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
What's the biggest lie that we're fed about our skin, that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
We need moisture moisture moisture, like you don't need hyaluronic
as I said, you don't need moisturizers every single day
of the year and every single climate that you live in.
I think it depends on your skin type. I think
it depends on the climate that you live in, and
I think it depends on your stage of life and
what it is you're trying to target. But this whole
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idea that we need to constantly hydrate our skin, I
think it's an easy sell because people know that hydration
is a thing, so you don't have to convince the
public of that. But the reality is over moisturizing your
skin can break your skin barrier down and cause more
problems down the road too. And if you live in
a very humid climate and you're oily and you're more
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acme prone, do you really need to moisturize before you
apply sunscreen? No, you don't, because the suns trens are
a moisturizer skin enough. So I think that is one
of the biggest lies that have been sold in perpetuity
throughout the beauty industry throughout time because it's been an
easy one to get your point across because people know
that they want the skin to be hydrated.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I actually think I always felt that, So thank you
for clarifying. I've never heard that one. You debunked a
good myth for me.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Oh, I'm excited, just the tip of the iceberg exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Okay, we've got to hippods and take a break, but
we'll be back to bust more skincare myths with doctor
Serene Idris.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
We're back with doctor Sharene Idris, the Internet's favorite dermatologist.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So, doctor Idris, earlier you mentioned that there are may
be ten to twelve tried and true ingredients that we
see over and over again in skincare. I want to
talk about those. What are your must have hero ingredients.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So remember what I said, though, target your routine based
on your problem. And my biggest problem, genuinely truly is
this coloration. I am Middle Eastern. Originally these to throw
me in the sun when I was a kid, and
I would burn to get some color because they thought
it was healthy. Myth lie, do not repeat, and so
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the damage is done before you're twenty and so I
would have sun spots coming up in my twenties and
it wasn't until I had my son, my second IDF,
where my malasma started to flare up and overnight I
legitimately looked like the cryptkeeper. It really had an immense
psychological toll on me. So for me, it's really about
keeping my skin tone, even keeping that hyperpigmentation. Malasma at
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Bay over the counter is never going to treat malasma,
but being on a routine that keeps your pigmentation suppressed
will minimize how bad your malasma flares up. And I
feel like I'm proof of that because I don't really
use hydroquinone unless I just come back from the beach
or somewhere really hot and it's flaring. So that's the
long winded answer to get to the conclusion. Yeah, so
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glycolic and lactic together are a beautiful combination to even
out your skin tone. Lactic acid is great for brightening.
Glycolic also helps with anti aging, voting, collagen production. Skincare
brands can never claim that because that's bordering on a drug,
because it's changing the nature of your skin. But those
have been tested and shown in studis, and so that
is why I like to use glacolic acid mix of
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blactic acid. Additionally, obviously vitamin C. Everybody knows about vitamin C.
It is a great ingredient to have in your repertoire,
but alone it doesn't do much. And trust me, I
have tried it just alone. And then reninol, as aleak acid, hydroquinone.
Those are three that I usually reserve as prescriptions because
a hydroquinone you can no longer get over the counter
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and you shouldn't be on it forever. Reninol, I really
do believe you have to know the type and the
percent of the retinol that you're using to know what
your skin can tolerate, because you might not tolerate the strongest,
but if you get a little bit of something light
every day, that's better. For you and then as a
lik acid, because to really see a difference with hyper pigmentation,
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it should be at fifteen percent and that is prescription level.
You're not going to find that over the counter. Those
I've kept out of the major feed line on purpose
because they're going to serve you better as prescriptions.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Can you tell us a little bit more about the
effectiveness of medical grade skincare versus over the counter skincare?
I mean, do over the counter products even move the needle?
Should we even be buying them? Or should you put
all your money into medical grade skincare.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm going to flip that on you and ask you
do medical grade products even move the needle? And should
you be spending all of your money on that and
not all over the counter products? Medical grade means nothing.
I'm a dermatologist. Dermatology tested means nothing, right, and I
have a skincare line, and I'm the first one to
tell you that saying dermatologists test it doesn't mean much. Okay, great,
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you tested it, But then what you have to have
an independent study done by a third party who's reviewing
it on people who are blinded and don't know what
they're using on their skin to see the result of
the products that you've created. Medical grade use traditionally is
basically a term that is used to describe products that
are so through estheticians and providers and doctors' offices. But
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they're not better necessarily than what you can get over
the counter. And they're going to claim that they're using
higher quality ingredients. Not true. I could have claimed my
brand is a medical grade brand, but I chose not
to because I find it to be misleading because people
are spending more money on medical grade products thinking they're
getting something better. But that's not necessarily a guarantee.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Okay, what about prescription versus OTC though.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Okay, that's different. I am probably one of the very
few who will tell you prescription is not necessarily better
than over the counter. And I'm not saying this because
I have skincare line. I do not have readin all
in my skincare line. The reason I am saying this
is because people, especially in American culture, often think we
need the strongest, we need the biggest, We need the largest,
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we need, more is better, Stronger isn't necessarily better. When
it comes to this vitamin A class of redinoids. When
it's too strong. It can be irritating, and if it's irritating,
you're only going to damage your skin in the long run.
I would much rather you be consistent with something less irritating,
using it and tolerating it every night of the week
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without any irritation, without any inflammation, versus using something extremely strong,
which is a prescription, and only able to use it
once every week or once every two weeks because your
skin breaks out or flakes in the process. And so
there is a philosophical approach here. Obviously, the prescription is
going to be more active and ready to go to
work right away, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's
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better for you if your skin cannot tolerate it.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So to this point, I have another debunking question for you,
because for ten years all I heard was retinal, retinal, retinal,
And now all the women on the internet are telling
me that retinal is going to thin my skin. So
what's the verdict here.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
It's not going to thin your skin. It is not
going to thin your skin. There was one prominent person,
I think physician or something not. There was one person
who was like pushing that myth forward, and it is
not true. Redinol has been shown to truly increase collagen
production in your skin by stimulating your fibroblasts. It does
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expedite cellular turnover of the top layer of your skin,
but it is not thinning your skin because it is
increasing the density of collagen beneath the servants within the dermis,
and so over time, that is how we see smoother
looking skin, skin that has less fine lines. The a
periods of fine lines and deeper wrinkles become less quote
unquote prominent. Is it gonna plump your skin up from
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a raise into a grape? No, it's not gonna do that.
But is it gonna make your skin overall slightly thicker,
more durable list throne to getting fine lines?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
So is there a difference between retine, retinoid and retinol.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Where do I start? I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
That's like okay, umbrella term, yes, the redinoid category okay, okay.
The active is tread and oen active means the second
you put it on your skin, it starts working. The
step before that active are the redinals are E, T, I,
N A L. Those have to get converted to tread
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and no in once they're applied on your skin to
start working, okay, and the step before that are the
retinols R E, T, I, N O L, which needs
to get converted to retinales that then get converted to
tread and oen. So they have two steps they have
to go through before becoming active. Redinels have one step,
and treadonoen is right away active.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
So I should buy a treatonoan or what am I.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Mind I should buy? You should try first, if you're
trying to really be diligent about this in your sensitive skin,
A redinol. Yes, it needs two steps before it becomes active.
But I would rather you use a retinol more nights
of the week than not and your skin be happy.
Then you they try to know in one night of
the week and your skin flare up and your face
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fall off because it was too intense for you.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I like this, I like consistency over time. I'm like
a moderate type of personality. Okay, I want to talk
to you about botox and filler because I've been hearing
new things and I've heard before from the skincare girlies
on the internet where I get all of my information
about skincare, and I'm very excited because we have an
expert here.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Finally, Okay, filler.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I heard recently that a lot of people are moving
away from filler in their face because it never quite dissolves,
it starts to move, and it could even age.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
You.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Do you use filler for your patients?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I do, I do, And I think this is again
where the pendulum is swinging. Okay, if you go back
to twenty eighteen, right Kylie Jenner lips the lips sucking
glass shot.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Whatever the snapple bottles.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, the really square draw lines that everybody
was promoting the intent before and afters that you would
find on social like within ten minutes. I was very
adamantly against that, and I was shouting from the rooftops.
Subtle can be dramatic. Subtle can be dramatic. It's not
about trying to get that instant gratification drama. Unfortunately, people
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liked instant gratification and they went for the drama. What
happens They get their faces shoved with a shit ton
of filip, way too often, way too young, way too regularly,
and not necessarily done by the right person because they're
chasing a deal. And therefore, what happens if you fast
forward six seven years, their faces look like balloons. They're
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blown up, and now they're like, WHOA. This is terrible
because they were not doing it with a long term
view in mind. I think if things are done correctly
with the right candidate in front of you, in a
very subtle way, to the point where I even tell
my patients, you're going to ask me why the hell
did I spend money If I don't fully see a difference.
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That is what holds your face slowly over time? What
does my face look like this I've been treating myself
for ten years. I eject my own face, and I
don't think I look like a buffer fish. I don't
think I look deformed, and I don't think I look
like not me. If you look at me from now
versus ten years ago, I'm more or less the same.
But I was not injecting myself with five syringes four
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times a year. It was maybe one syringe twice a year,
maybe two syringes every other time. But it was very,
very light. And I think people have lost sight of that,
that your face and aging is a journey and the
goal with these minimally invasive procedures is not to get
drama today, but to hold onto your face slowly over time.
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And if you really find the person who's aesthetic approach
you respect, who is willing to hold you back and
tell you no and go against what it is you
fully want. But you respect their approach and you respect
their subjectivity, and I think you will find yourself in
the good hands. But if you're chasing a group on zeal,
if you're chasing a price tag, if you're chasing a fad,
it's not going to work. If you want to grow with.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Someone moderation, I really like your philosophy.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Everything in moderation.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
If you could give me like a one word answer
on this. Let's say I have a little bit of
money saved up. I want to go to my dermatologist's office,
and I want to get the best bang for my
buck procedure to tackle something like hyper pigmentation or acne
scarring between lasers, micro needling, chemical peels. Morpheus eight like,
where's the best place to put your money when you're
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actually at the dermatologist's office.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Okay, I want to talk to you exafter I talk
to patient, I want to tell you the following you
can go and get licless so option, but you're not
going to maintain a six pack if you don't go
to the gym. There is no point in getting a
laser treatment if you're not on the right skincartine. And
I did that once. I said that once to a
patient who wasn't even paying, by the way, it was
a free consult that was offering, and she got pissed.
She goes, no, but tell me what to do, and
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I was like, go get out of a bitter skincurty
and she will. But what laser? I'm like, I would
tell you this if you're paying me, and I'm not
even even paying me. So literally, you start with a
skincre routine targeting that problem. You have hyperpigmentation from acne marks,
you get on a skin care routine that is targeting
how to fade your brown spot. You have a lot
of textual issues, You get on a skincre routine that
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is helping promote collagen production. You try to tolerate good
exfoliating acid if you try to even out your actual texture.
You have roseatia, you get on a skincre utine that
is calming in nature. So we first start with a
skin care routine that we know is not going to
trigger your skin, and then we approach with discolouration. That
is why I started, because that's what most people have,
not just from my own personal experience, but also my patients.
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You start with a skincare routine targeting hyperpigmentation. You usually
can get sixty seventy percent improvement if you're militant, and
then we can decide what are the lasers we want
to try to see what takes us to that next
level if we even feel we want to get to
that next level, or we apply a prescription hydroquinone first
and then jump into the lasers. And whether it is
a fraxle, an ipl whatever, an alex laser, whatever you want,
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they're all different variations, so you got to try different
things out. But if you're holding onto every penny expecting
one fraxal to create a miracle for you, you're only
going to be disappointed because the damage is under the
skin and it's going to come back out. And that's
why I'm so adamant about the skin care.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Routine, Doctor Idris. That's what I did.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I got a fraxel in January and my mom looked
at me. I went home for fourth of July and
she looked at me and she was like, all the
sun spots are back. What happened with the fraxel? And
I was like, I think it's not one and done.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Because you weren't on the skincare routine. Yeah, it's not
one and done because the damage is under your skin,
and so you gotta keep it suppressed. You got to
keep it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
At bay, and you can keep it at bay with skincare.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Look at my face, I have no filter.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You have no sun damage.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I have had no lasers on my face since September
twenty twenty two, when I launched my skincare line. That
was the last time I did a treatment because I
felt pressure that I had to do one before I launched.
I am telling you, when you are on a solid
routine and you are militant about it, and that's why
I truly genuinely try to simplify mine, you will see
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results long term.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Doctor Idris. I'm sold. I'm not just saying this. I
am going to buy your skincare line.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I'm happy to even send it to you, but.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
No, no, I want to support.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You're very sweet, but you should be militant about it,
and I really genuinely, from the bottom of my heart,
I mean it. And patients come in willing to spend
two thousand dollars on a frack, So of course I
can make a quick book, but I would rather keep
that patient long term and see them through a better
result than you. For example, who's now pissed that you
spent two thousand dollars and now your pigment is back.
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Are you going to go back and trust that person
to take care of you as you get older? No, no,
I'm never going back there. You're such an angel, doctor Eatris.
Thank you for being honest.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I love doctors with integrity because so many of them
just want you to come in and they want to
make money off of the highest priced procedures.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I think it's not just doctors. I think it's human nature. Yeah,
you know, you have to feel rich in your heart.
I'm not gonna get all kumbaya and like meditative on
you guys.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, this is the bright side, after all, there's a
lot of ku my eye.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yes, I guess you can get kumbai on here, But
like I really think, growing up, I'm the youngest of
three girls. I am Lebanese and I was made fun
of to no end. You're so white, You're white like
a chicken. It broke by contidence as a kid. But
because I was the youngest, I just learned how to
fight back. And there's a reason why I ended up
in cosmetics. There's a reason subconsciously I probably ended up
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in dermatology with skin because I was made fun of
my skin my whole life growing up. And I really, genuinely,
in my heart feel passionate that you can gain continence
by helping yourself through your skin, no matter how you
decide to look at the glass, and you can find
beauty and charm and everybody that walks through the door.
And I really mean this, and I'm not just saying
this to appear like an angel. I'm really not an angel.
(27:53):
I'm kind of an asshole on the other side. But
it is the truth, Like you can find that beauty,
you can find that confidence, you can truly help yourself.
And I think it is such a disservice when people
try to push false hopes and dreams, whether it is
in geners or through procedures or through surgeries, without telling
the person. Let's first work on you and help yourself
(28:14):
to get there. So you can help yourself get there,
and Skincareus is one avenue of it. So back to
your original question, though someone you don't ask me about,
for example, at these scars, which is the best one micronetilaing, fratle, etcetera.
And I'll tell patients when it comes to scars and textures,
especially rome wasn't built overnight. You cannot remodel collage and
overnight with one treatment. It is several treatments. And I
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go through the different types of procedures with my patients
who have scars so that they can experience each one.
So then we can then make a decision together how
best to proceed. Do we want to do subcision with
a little bit of light filler superficiently to pick up
that scar? Do you want to do an abrasive sort
of fractionated laser on top of your skin to break
down your skin? Do you want to do microneediling, or
(28:58):
do you want to introduce heat to help promote college
and from with it? And so we go through various
different procedures together and then we make a joint decision
on how we want to proceed, and it takes a
good year and a half to start getting results after
doing four or five treatments, and it doesn't happen overnight.
But if they have the right expectations, they're only happy
because they're seeing the results, and then you what to expect.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I love this so much. I think our culture is
so obsessed with new, now, next, and you are promoting
the exact opposite. It's playing the long game in every
sense of that term. So you are just so excellent.
I hope you come back. You taught me and someone
so much today.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
You're a truth teller, which is what we need more of.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
You guys are very sweet, and thank you so much
for having me. I hope if anything this helps one
person who listens to it, it helped me and me.
Well done, Great success.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Doctor Sharene Idris is a board certified dermatologist and founder
of the science backed skincare Doctor Idris. You can catch
her giving all kinds of skincare tips and advice on TikTok,
Instagram and YouTube. We need to take another quick break,
but when we come back, we're spicing things up in
a summer segment inspired by book talk.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And we're back. Okay, Danielle, are you ready to add
a little spice to this show, Simone, I thought you'd
never ask. Okay before we do. I know about book talk,
but I don't know that I'm familiar with spicy book talk,
are you yes?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Okay? So book Talk is the corner of TikTok devoted
to reviewing and rating books. Right well, Spicy book Talk
is the corner within that corner dedicated to romance and
romanticy novels, some of which might be too hot for
this podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
My people. Okay, maybe that's fair. Some of them are
definitely a little too spicy for this show. But I
gotta say I love the idea of rating something based
on how spicy it is. It's a perfect metric. So
we're gonna do that right now, with the help of
our friends at Walmart, who created a line of hot
sauces inspired by the book Talk spicy scale of one
to five chili peppers.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's called Melinda's Spicy Books Hot Sauce Set. There are
five different spice levels, so we have mild, medium, hot, flaming,
and burning. And because Simona and I love a trend,
we tried the sauces and then we picked things that
we liked at Walmart that corresponded to each sauces level
of spice.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh, I am so excited to get into this. I
love spice. I'm a spicy girl, so I'm dying to
see what you picked too.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So Bestie's, we're gonna sample the hot sauces once again.
This one is the mild flavor oooh, and it's mango
hob and narrow. It only has one spicy pepper on it,
but it still has a kick. And this one reminds
me of the Mabelne Lifter plump lasting lip gloss in
mauv bite because it still has a little bite to it,
but not too much.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I chose the mango colored no boundaries woven beech tote
bag because mango habanaro a mango beech tote. It just
makes sense. It makes total sense. Okay, now we have
hot sauce number two. This is the medium, the green one. Okay,
so let's give this one a try again. She's doing
the tequila shot style on the palm.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Delicious.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Ooh, that is delicious. I taste the lime. I taste
the vinegar. That would go perfect on my summer taco. Okay,
for this one. This one reminds me of the Bubble
skincare bounce back refreshing tone or spray. It kind of
reminds me of that little heat effect that you get
on your face, a little sweat whenever you start eating
something really spicy. It's a perfect fix for whenever you are,
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you know, need a little refresh.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I went with the tall, stainless steel Hudson tumbler with
flip up straw. It's the thirty ounce and it's in
the orange color. I mostly chose it because I was like, okay,
two jolapeno peppers orange. Plus I love a tumbler. I
bring one to work every day. Okay, we're officially getting hot.
This is the Spicy Books Chipotle Hot Sauce. What do
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you think about this one?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
By this color, you can tell that it is loaded
up with some potent Chipotle flavor.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
My tongue is on fire with this one. I have
to go with the Summer Camp sunscreen because even if
it's hot outside, you gotta protect your skin with that SPF.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Okay, I'm gonna go with the fire Dragon party tube
inflatable raft because I can just envision myself on that
raft in my pool, the balance of the cool water
with this hot hot sauce on some Guacan chips. I'm
here for it.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I see you closing your eyes. You're really envisioning that.
I am.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I'm going there, all right, It's getting real, Danielle. Next up,
we have these spicy books flaming hot sauce.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
This one really has a kick. Okay, I'm gonna say that.
The flaming red savina reminds me of the olive in
June instant press on nails in the lavender shimmer color.
And I'm gonna tell you why. All that shimmer makes
me flaming hot. You pop those bad boys on in
a car ride on your way to a night out,
and all of a sudden you are flaming hot.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Absolutely, I'm all about a car manny for mine. I'm
gonna go with the free assembly cotton cropped, buttoned down shirt.
Whenever you're eating something spicy, you always want to have
a little access to ventilation, and nothing does that like
a button down shirt. That's true.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Okay, our last one, are you ready to be put
to the test.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I can take it.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
This one is called burning. We're gonna taste this one again.
It's definitely the reddest of them all.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Hard to talk after that one for burning, I have
a burning desire to rock the no boundaries. Pink sunglasses,
spicy sauce in the mouth, spicy summer outside. You need
a little eye protection.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Very grease, lightning. I love it. I'm going with the
scoop block heel mule sandals because if it's gonna be
hot of my tongue, hot of my mouth, I better
have heat on my feet and girls have heat too,
So pink metallic sandals.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Sign me up. Well, I'm sufficiently awake now. Yes, we're
ready to record ten episodes. Now shop Melinda's Spicy Books,
Hot Sauce set plus a curated collection of summer accessories,
fashion and beauty so you can have your own spicy
summer now at Walmart. That's it for today's show. Tomorrow,
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we're joined by author Alexian Ferrel Falmuth. She's here to
talk about her book Twelfth Night, which is the summer
yapick for Reese's book Club.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm simone voice you can find me at Simone Voice
on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok that's Robay.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
See you tomorrow, folks, same time, same place. Until then,
keep looking on the bright side.
Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey Bessie's today on the bright side. It's Wellness Wednesday, y'all,
and the nobs Bord certified dermatologist, doctor Charene Idris, is
here to share the best and worst ingredients for our skin,
which products are worth the splurge and weather Filler is
aging us. It's Wednesday, July tenth. I'm Simone Boyce.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright side from
Hello Sunshine, Simone. We're talking about skincare today. I gotta
know what's your regimen. Give it to me.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So my regimen is largely focused around my needs, which
is I have acne prone skin. I have for my
entire adulthood, and so I have spent so many hours
inside the dermatologist's office, Danielle. But during that process, throughout
all the pain and all the pokes and prods that
(00:55):
I've endured, I have learned so much about my skin. Ye.
So my routine is very simple and straightforward. I use
a very gentle cleansing jelly by a brand called Notarium,
female owned sold it target very affordable, it's awesome. After that,
I put on azilaic acid in the morning and at
nights azuleic acid fifteen percent great to keep your skin
(01:17):
clear and reduce any discoloration. After that, I put on
an SPF which is by a brand called Zitstika. It's
a noncametogenic SPF that doesn't make you break out or
make your skin feel greasy. And then at nights I
do wash again, which I know is controversial, and then
I put on azylic acid retinol for sleep and maybe
(01:38):
some squalen oil or some sort of moisturizer.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's so good. You really got it all buttoned up.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
How about you? What does your routine look like?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna front with any of this.
In the morning, I wash my face with whatever face
cleanser I have at the time, brand agnostic, it's whatever's there.
And if I'm at a hotel, I'm happy to use
the hand wash soap or the bar soap.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'll like use whatever is around. Oh my gosh, it's
so drying. That strips your skin. I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And then I'll use a Keels face lotion and I
use an SPF. That's the only thing I'm really consistent about.
And at night, I do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I sometimes use an under I cream if I can
find one in my drawer, but I don't really have
a regimen. And I've been to the dermatologist and they
give me a regimen, but it's like four steps and
I have random samples from them, and I know I'm
supposed to do it in a certain order, and I
just never totally understand what I'm doing. So here's my
question for you, though, because I actually misspoke the other day.
(02:47):
I said my great grandmother lived to one hundred and one.
She lived till one hundred and three. My mom corrected me, wow,
And she used like two things her whole life, and
it was like Pond's face cream, which was like very
of her time, and she.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Had awesome skin.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And part of me is like, I know there's science
behind this, but does any of it actually matter, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Do you see a difference, Oh, my gosh, yes, okay,
oh one thousand percent. I think a lot of it
is the makeup of your skin, like the composition of
your skin, the oil ratio on your skin, like a
lot of that is really important. I think it just
depends on the person. Like you can wash your face
with the hotel bar soap. I cannot do that because
(03:28):
it'll strip my skin and my skin will freak out
and get irritated. But I mean, I am loving where
my skin is at right now, and it's because of
the active ingredients I'm using. Aslic acid is like a
wonder ingredient. I had used it in the past and
then I stopped using it for some reason. I rediscovered
it recently. It is like a game changer. It's amazing.
(03:49):
So yes, I believe in skincare. It can actually work.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm actually really excited today because our guest is doctor
Sharene Idris. She's a board certified dermatologist who's research backed talk.
She's real as it gets, has garnered millions of followers
on Instagram and TikTok. She's one of the Internet's favorite
dermatologists and really an expert in the skin issues associated
(04:11):
with aging. So here she is busting myths about the
holy grail of skincare, which is retinal.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Ren It all lies that needs to die from a
forty year old board certified dermatologists who also happens to
be a Rentinoll veteran.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Number one.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You cannot use rentin all in the summer. This should
die because the earth is round and some climates are
summer all year round, and everybody can use a rentinoll
if they can tolerate it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I am with Doctor Idris on this one. Retinols, retinoids,
give me all of them. Back in twenty eighteen, doctor
Idris was so frustrated by all the skincare misinformation she
saw on social media that she decided to set the
record straight herself by breaking down her own nighttime skincare
routine using the hashtag pillow talk derm. So that term
(04:55):
pillow talk derm took off very quickly, and it turned
into her answer follower questions about which products and procedures
are worth it and which ones are just marketing. And
believe me, she did not hold back well.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Six years later, her skin is just as glassy as
it was back then. And I know you can't see it,
but either check Instagram or trust me, because I promise
it is. And she has a science back skincare line
available at Sephora. Doctor Idris is here with us today
to talk about her hero ingredients, the truth about filler,
(05:29):
and how to care for your skin at whatever age
you're at.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Doctor Idris, Welcome to the bright side.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Thank you so much for having me. It's brighter already
with you guys here.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
We are so excited to have you. We can't wait
to get the real, real from you. But before we
get started, can you tell us a little bit about yourself.
What would you say is your skincare philosophy.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
My skincare philosophy is that it is about consistency over intensity,
like you really want to be going after your skin's
biggest problems and not falling into the sphere of missing
out on skincare, which a lot of people have and
they end up buying themselves problems along the way. Wow,
they can't fit because they're stuck in this tornado of
a skincare world. And so it's really about being consistent.
(06:15):
It's not about going wrong and strong, but being consistent
with what it is that is targeting your biggest problem.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
This is exactly what I wanted to ask you about,
because while I love skincare, I feel like it has
been taken over by capitalism. There was an article in
the Cut that compared skincare to a psychological safety blanket,
which I thought was a really great comparison. In my opinion,
the internet is sort of to blame. But what do
you think is behind our obsession with skin care?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, I think the US has finally caught up
to the rest of the world in the sense that
they're finally trying to understand how do you skincare? Why
are we using it? And that's because of the pandemic,
right we were all locked up, we were not wearing makeup.
I think our culture over this side of the world
is pretty much like cover it up, slap on some makeup,
ignore it like you know, like you never really focused
(07:06):
on our skin as much as we did on makeup
which covered it up. And over the past four years ish,
the focus has shifted and we are now looking more
towards how do we make our skin better because we
had time to try to understand what was on the
market and how it actually worked. And I don't mind
going slow as long as people understand the philosophy in
order to understand how to better help themselves. That to
(07:27):
throw craft in the market just because you want to
try to gain virality or you're trying to like appeal
to a younger generation who could push a product or
brand further, and unfortunately it's just become overloaded in that sense.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, we live in drop culture right now, and so
you want to have a drop every month, and it's
just it's not necessary.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It's not necessary, like everything great was once new, but
not everything new is great, and you have to remind
yourself that with skincare, especially like tried and Chruse or
tried and Chruse for a reason. And if it really
is great, then in two years it's still going to
be great. So there's no need to feel like you're
missing out if you don't jump on it today.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well said Well, in addition to being a dermatologist, I mean,
you have this huge social media audience and you start
all your videos the same way. You say, I'm a
fourty year old board certified dermatologist. Why do you feel
the need to start with your age in your videos.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's so funny. I started that on a whim last
year when I was thirty nine, and it just kind
of clicked and stuck. And it's funny because people are like, oh,
you're filtered. Oh, you do a million cosmetic procedures. Oh
but you're only twenty nine, Oh but oh but oh
but oh but but no, there's no o butts. Like
I'm as transparent as it gets. It's not like I'm
(08:42):
a celebrity who's hiding plastic surgery that I had on
my face or some kind of procedure that I've had.
So I figured if I started it by just removing
the veil and just stating what I am, exactly as
I am, it would get rid of all of those comments.
And it didn't fully get rid of the comments. But
I guess it clicks and people like to hear my
age now before I present myself, so I think that's
(09:02):
going to be going on for a while. But yeah,
I am a forty year old word certified dermatologist.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So what is the secret behind that forty year old
glass skin that I'm seeing right here?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It really is glass.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I'm gonna be honest. Do you have an elaborate skincare
routine or you have a lessons more kind of girly.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Very honestly, Like my sinker line was born from my
philosophy less is more. And there was a time when
I had a twelve step skincare routine, and this was
back in twenty nineteen after I had my son and
I was literally using all these over the counterproducts to
target my malasma and my discoloration because I couldn't be
on prescriptions because I was breastfeeding, et cetera, et cetera,
(09:38):
And so I had a twelve step skincurutine and it
was completely unviable for life. It was not sustainable, it
was a waste of my time. There was no way
I could get through it. And I just felt like
I was chasing something that I could never fully attain.
And so when I would talk to my patients about
having it even skin tone, I would also give them
(09:59):
a to sep routine and their eyes would glaze over.
And so when it came to starting a skincare line,
I truly genuinely wanted to simplify problems with very simple solutions,
and so I thought to myself, what are the ten
twelve most important ingredients. I do not want to have
bullshit marketing claims. I want them to be put in
at levels of efficacy that have been demonstrated either by
(10:20):
the manufacturers or through science through time, and I want
to make sure that they make sense in the products
that they're in. And so that's how the first three
products were launched. And those are the staple of my
skincure routine. I have been using them every single day
since August of twenty twenty one, a year prior to launch,
when I finalized the formulas, and I obviously am testing
(10:43):
different things as we go along, but the hypercereum and
the moisturizer are the two things that I use consistently
every single day, twice a day. And sounds freen.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
What's the biggest lie that we're fed about our skin, that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
We need moisture moisture moisture, like you don't need hyaluronic
as I said, you don't need moisturizers every single day
of the year and every single climate that you live in.
I think it depends on your skin type. I think
it depends on the climate that you live in, and
I think it depends on your stage of life and
what it is you're trying to target. But this whole
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idea that we need to constantly hydrate our skin, I
think it's an easy sell because people know that hydration
is a thing, so you don't have to convince the
public of that. But the reality is over moisturizing your
skin can break your skin barrier down and cause more
problems down the road too. And if you live in
a very humid climate and you're oily and you're more
(11:40):
acme prone, do you really need to moisturize before you
apply sunscreen? No, you don't, because the suns trens are
a moisturizer skin enough. So I think that is one
of the biggest lies that have been sold in perpetuity
throughout the beauty industry throughout time because it's been an
easy one to get your point across because people know
that they want the skin to be hydrated.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I actually think I always felt that, So thank you
for clarifying. I've never heard that one. You debunked a
good myth for me.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Oh, I'm excited, just the tip of the iceberg exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Okay, we've got to hippods and take a break, but
we'll be back to bust more skincare myths with doctor
Serene Idris.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
We're back with doctor Sharene Idris, the Internet's favorite dermatologist.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So, doctor Idris, earlier you mentioned that there are may
be ten to twelve tried and true ingredients that we
see over and over again in skincare. I want to
talk about those. What are your must have hero ingredients.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So remember what I said, though, target your routine based
on your problem. And my biggest problem, genuinely truly is
this coloration. I am Middle Eastern. Originally these to throw
me in the sun when I was a kid, and
I would burn to get some color because they thought
it was healthy. Myth lie, do not repeat, and so
(13:07):
the damage is done before you're twenty and so I
would have sun spots coming up in my twenties and
it wasn't until I had my son, my second IDF,
where my malasma started to flare up and overnight I
legitimately looked like the cryptkeeper. It really had an immense
psychological toll on me. So for me, it's really about
keeping my skin tone, even keeping that hyperpigmentation. Malasma at
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Bay over the counter is never going to treat malasma,
but being on a routine that keeps your pigmentation suppressed
will minimize how bad your malasma flares up. And I
feel like I'm proof of that because I don't really
use hydroquinone unless I just come back from the beach
or somewhere really hot and it's flaring. So that's the
long winded answer to get to the conclusion. Yeah, so
(13:51):
glycolic and lactic together are a beautiful combination to even
out your skin tone. Lactic acid is great for brightening.
Glycolic also helps with anti aging, voting, collagen production. Skincare
brands can never claim that because that's bordering on a drug,
because it's changing the nature of your skin. But those
have been tested and shown in studis, and so that
is why I like to use glacolic acid mix of
(14:13):
blactic acid. Additionally, obviously vitamin C. Everybody knows about vitamin C.
It is a great ingredient to have in your repertoire,
but alone it doesn't do much. And trust me, I
have tried it just alone. And then reninol, as aleak acid, hydroquinone.
Those are three that I usually reserve as prescriptions because
a hydroquinone you can no longer get over the counter
(14:34):
and you shouldn't be on it forever. Reninol, I really
do believe you have to know the type and the
percent of the retinol that you're using to know what
your skin can tolerate, because you might not tolerate the strongest,
but if you get a little bit of something light
every day, that's better. For you and then as a
lik acid, because to really see a difference with hyper pigmentation,
(14:54):
it should be at fifteen percent and that is prescription level.
You're not going to find that over the counter. Those
I've kept out of the major feed line on purpose
because they're going to serve you better as prescriptions.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Can you tell us a little bit more about the
effectiveness of medical grade skincare versus over the counter skincare?
I mean, do over the counter products even move the needle?
Should we even be buying them? Or should you put
all your money into medical grade skincare.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm going to flip that on you and ask you
do medical grade products even move the needle? And should
you be spending all of your money on that and
not all over the counter products? Medical grade means nothing.
I'm a dermatologist. Dermatology tested means nothing, right, and I
have a skincare line, and I'm the first one to
tell you that saying dermatologists test it doesn't mean much. Okay, great,
(15:41):
you tested it, But then what you have to have
an independent study done by a third party who's reviewing
it on people who are blinded and don't know what
they're using on their skin to see the result of
the products that you've created. Medical grade use traditionally is
basically a term that is used to describe products that
are so through estheticians and providers and doctors' offices. But
(16:04):
they're not better necessarily than what you can get over
the counter. And they're going to claim that they're using
higher quality ingredients. Not true. I could have claimed my
brand is a medical grade brand, but I chose not
to because I find it to be misleading because people
are spending more money on medical grade products thinking they're
getting something better. But that's not necessarily a guarantee.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Okay, what about prescription versus OTC though.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Okay, that's different. I am probably one of the very
few who will tell you prescription is not necessarily better
than over the counter. And I'm not saying this because
I have skincare line. I do not have readin all
in my skincare line. The reason I am saying this
is because people, especially in American culture, often think we
need the strongest, we need the biggest, We need the largest,
(16:48):
we need, more is better, Stronger isn't necessarily better. When
it comes to this vitamin A class of redinoids. When
it's too strong. It can be irritating, and if it's irritating,
you're only going to damage your skin in the long run.
I would much rather you be consistent with something less irritating,
using it and tolerating it every night of the week
(17:10):
without any irritation, without any inflammation, versus using something extremely strong,
which is a prescription, and only able to use it
once every week or once every two weeks because your
skin breaks out or flakes in the process. And so
there is a philosophical approach here. Obviously, the prescription is
going to be more active and ready to go to
work right away, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's
(17:31):
better for you if your skin cannot tolerate it.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So to this point, I have another debunking question for you,
because for ten years all I heard was retinal, retinal, retinal,
And now all the women on the internet are telling
me that retinal is going to thin my skin. So
what's the verdict here.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
It's not going to thin your skin. It is not
going to thin your skin. There was one prominent person,
I think physician or something not. There was one person
who was like pushing that myth forward, and it is
not true. Redinol has been shown to truly increase collagen
production in your skin by stimulating your fibroblasts. It does
(18:11):
expedite cellular turnover of the top layer of your skin,
but it is not thinning your skin because it is
increasing the density of collagen beneath the servants within the dermis,
and so over time, that is how we see smoother
looking skin, skin that has less fine lines. The a
periods of fine lines and deeper wrinkles become less quote
unquote prominent. Is it gonna plump your skin up from
(18:35):
a raise into a grape? No, it's not gonna do that.
But is it gonna make your skin overall slightly thicker,
more durable list throne to getting fine lines?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
So is there a difference between retine, retinoid and retinol.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Where do I start? I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
That's like okay, umbrella term, yes, the redinoid category okay, okay.
The active is tread and oen active means the second
you put it on your skin, it starts working. The
step before that active are the redinals are E, T, I,
N A L. Those have to get converted to tread
(19:17):
and no in once they're applied on your skin to
start working, okay, and the step before that are the
retinols R E, T, I, N O L, which needs
to get converted to retinales that then get converted to
tread and oen. So they have two steps they have
to go through before becoming active. Redinels have one step,
and treadonoen is right away active.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
So I should buy a treatonoan or what am I.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Mind I should buy? You should try first, if you're
trying to really be diligent about this in your sensitive skin,
A redinol. Yes, it needs two steps before it becomes active.
But I would rather you use a retinol more nights
of the week than not and your skin be happy.
Then you they try to know in one night of
the week and your skin flare up and your face
(20:03):
fall off because it was too intense for you.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I like this, I like consistency over time. I'm like
a moderate type of personality. Okay, I want to talk
to you about botox and filler because I've been hearing
new things and I've heard before from the skincare girlies
on the internet where I get all of my information
about skincare, and I'm very excited because we have an
expert here.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Finally, Okay, filler.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I heard recently that a lot of people are moving
away from filler in their face because it never quite dissolves,
it starts to move, and it could even age.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
You.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Do you use filler for your patients?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I do, I do, And I think this is again
where the pendulum is swinging. Okay, if you go back
to twenty eighteen, right Kylie Jenner lips the lips sucking
glass shot.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Whatever the snapple bottles.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, the really square draw lines that everybody
was promoting the intent before and afters that you would
find on social like within ten minutes. I was very
adamantly against that, and I was shouting from the rooftops.
Subtle can be dramatic. Subtle can be dramatic. It's not
about trying to get that instant gratification drama. Unfortunately, people
(21:20):
liked instant gratification and they went for the drama. What
happens They get their faces shoved with a shit ton
of filip, way too often, way too young, way too regularly,
and not necessarily done by the right person because they're
chasing a deal. And therefore, what happens if you fast
forward six seven years, their faces look like balloons. They're
(21:42):
blown up, and now they're like, WHOA. This is terrible
because they were not doing it with a long term
view in mind. I think if things are done correctly
with the right candidate in front of you, in a
very subtle way, to the point where I even tell
my patients, you're going to ask me why the hell
did I spend money If I don't fully see a difference.
(22:03):
That is what holds your face slowly over time? What
does my face look like this I've been treating myself
for ten years. I eject my own face, and I
don't think I look like a buffer fish. I don't
think I look deformed, and I don't think I look
like not me. If you look at me from now
versus ten years ago, I'm more or less the same.
But I was not injecting myself with five syringes four
(22:24):
times a year. It was maybe one syringe twice a year,
maybe two syringes every other time. But it was very,
very light. And I think people have lost sight of that,
that your face and aging is a journey and the
goal with these minimally invasive procedures is not to get
drama today, but to hold onto your face slowly over time.
(22:47):
And if you really find the person who's aesthetic approach
you respect, who is willing to hold you back and
tell you no and go against what it is you
fully want. But you respect their approach and you respect
their subjectivity, and I think you will find yourself in
the good hands. But if you're chasing a group on zeal,
if you're chasing a price tag, if you're chasing a fad,
it's not going to work. If you want to grow with.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Someone moderation, I really like your philosophy.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Everything in moderation.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
If you could give me like a one word answer
on this. Let's say I have a little bit of
money saved up. I want to go to my dermatologist's office,
and I want to get the best bang for my
buck procedure to tackle something like hyper pigmentation or acne
scarring between lasers, micro needling, chemical peels. Morpheus eight like,
where's the best place to put your money when you're
(23:34):
actually at the dermatologist's office.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Okay, I want to talk to you exafter I talk
to patient, I want to tell you the following you
can go and get licless so option, but you're not
going to maintain a six pack if you don't go
to the gym. There is no point in getting a
laser treatment if you're not on the right skincartine. And
I did that once. I said that once to a
patient who wasn't even paying, by the way, it was
a free consult that was offering, and she got pissed.
She goes, no, but tell me what to do, and
(23:57):
I was like, go get out of a bitter skincurty
and she will. But what laser? I'm like, I would
tell you this if you're paying me, and I'm not
even even paying me. So literally, you start with a
skincre routine targeting that problem. You have hyperpigmentation from acne marks,
you get on a skin care routine that is targeting
how to fade your brown spot. You have a lot
of textual issues, You get on a skincre routine that
(24:17):
is helping promote collagen production. You try to tolerate good
exfoliating acid if you try to even out your actual texture.
You have roseatia, you get on a skincre utine that
is calming in nature. So we first start with a
skin care routine that we know is not going to
trigger your skin, and then we approach with discolouration. That
is why I started, because that's what most people have,
not just from my own personal experience, but also my patients.
(24:39):
You start with a skincare routine targeting hyperpigmentation. You usually
can get sixty seventy percent improvement if you're militant, and
then we can decide what are the lasers we want
to try to see what takes us to that next
level if we even feel we want to get to
that next level, or we apply a prescription hydroquinone first
and then jump into the lasers. And whether it is
a fraxle, an ipl whatever, an alex laser, whatever you want,
(25:04):
they're all different variations, so you got to try different
things out. But if you're holding onto every penny expecting
one fraxal to create a miracle for you, you're only
going to be disappointed because the damage is under the
skin and it's going to come back out. And that's
why I'm so adamant about the skin care.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Routine, Doctor Idris. That's what I did.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I got a fraxel in January and my mom looked
at me. I went home for fourth of July and
she looked at me and she was like, all the
sun spots are back. What happened with the fraxel? And
I was like, I think it's not one and done.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Because you weren't on the skincare routine. Yeah, it's not
one and done because the damage is under your skin,
and so you gotta keep it suppressed. You got to
keep it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
At bay, and you can keep it at bay with skincare.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Look at my face, I have no filter.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You have no sun damage.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I have had no lasers on my face since September
twenty twenty two, when I launched my skincare line. That
was the last time I did a treatment because I
felt pressure that I had to do one before I launched.
I am telling you, when you are on a solid
routine and you are militant about it, and that's why
I truly genuinely try to simplify mine, you will see
(26:13):
results long term.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Doctor Idris. I'm sold. I'm not just saying this. I
am going to buy your skincare line.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I'm happy to even send it to you, but.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
No, no, I want to support.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You're very sweet, but you should be militant about it,
and I really genuinely, from the bottom of my heart,
I mean it. And patients come in willing to spend
two thousand dollars on a frack, So of course I
can make a quick book, but I would rather keep
that patient long term and see them through a better
result than you. For example, who's now pissed that you
spent two thousand dollars and now your pigment is back.
(26:44):
Are you going to go back and trust that person
to take care of you as you get older? No, no,
I'm never going back there. You're such an angel, doctor Eatris.
Thank you for being honest.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I love doctors with integrity because so many of them
just want you to come in and they want to
make money off of the highest priced procedures.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I think it's not just doctors. I think it's human nature. Yeah,
you know, you have to feel rich in your heart.
I'm not gonna get all kumbaya and like meditative on
you guys.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, this is the bright side, after all, there's a
lot of ku my eye.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yes, I guess you can get kumbai on here, But
like I really think, growing up, I'm the youngest of
three girls. I am Lebanese and I was made fun
of to no end. You're so white, You're white like
a chicken. It broke by contidence as a kid. But
because I was the youngest, I just learned how to
fight back. And there's a reason why I ended up
in cosmetics. There's a reason subconsciously I probably ended up
(27:33):
in dermatology with skin because I was made fun of
my skin my whole life growing up. And I really, genuinely,
in my heart feel passionate that you can gain continence
by helping yourself through your skin, no matter how you
decide to look at the glass, and you can find
beauty and charm and everybody that walks through the door.
And I really mean this, and I'm not just saying
this to appear like an angel. I'm really not an angel.
(27:53):
I'm kind of an asshole on the other side. But
it is the truth, Like you can find that beauty,
you can find that confidence, you can truly help yourself.
And I think it is such a disservice when people
try to push false hopes and dreams, whether it is
in geners or through procedures or through surgeries, without telling
the person. Let's first work on you and help yourself
(28:14):
to get there. So you can help yourself get there,
and Skincareus is one avenue of it. So back to
your original question, though someone you don't ask me about,
for example, at these scars, which is the best one micronetilaing, fratle, etcetera.
And I'll tell patients when it comes to scars and textures,
especially rome wasn't built overnight. You cannot remodel collage and
overnight with one treatment. It is several treatments. And I
(28:37):
go through the different types of procedures with my patients
who have scars so that they can experience each one.
So then we can then make a decision together how
best to proceed. Do we want to do subcision with
a little bit of light filler superficiently to pick up
that scar? Do you want to do an abrasive sort
of fractionated laser on top of your skin to break
down your skin? Do you want to do microneediling, or
(28:58):
do you want to introduce heat to help promote college
and from with it? And so we go through various
different procedures together and then we make a joint decision
on how we want to proceed, and it takes a
good year and a half to start getting results after
doing four or five treatments, and it doesn't happen overnight.
But if they have the right expectations, they're only happy
because they're seeing the results, and then you what to expect.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I love this so much. I think our culture is
so obsessed with new, now, next, and you are promoting
the exact opposite. It's playing the long game in every
sense of that term. So you are just so excellent.
I hope you come back. You taught me and someone
so much today.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
You're a truth teller, which is what we need more of.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
You guys are very sweet, and thank you so much
for having me. I hope if anything this helps one
person who listens to it, it helped me and me.
Well done, Great success.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Doctor Sharene Idris is a board certified dermatologist and founder
of the science backed skincare Doctor Idris. You can catch
her giving all kinds of skincare tips and advice on TikTok,
Instagram and YouTube. We need to take another quick break,
but when we come back, we're spicing things up in
a summer segment inspired by book talk.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And we're back. Okay, Danielle, are you ready to add
a little spice to this show, Simone, I thought you'd
never ask. Okay before we do. I know about book talk,
but I don't know that I'm familiar with spicy book talk,
are you yes?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Okay? So book Talk is the corner of TikTok devoted
to reviewing and rating books. Right well, Spicy book Talk
is the corner within that corner dedicated to romance and
romanticy novels, some of which might be too hot for
this podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
My people. Okay, maybe that's fair. Some of them are
definitely a little too spicy for this show. But I
gotta say I love the idea of rating something based
on how spicy it is. It's a perfect metric. So
we're gonna do that right now, with the help of
our friends at Walmart, who created a line of hot
sauces inspired by the book Talk spicy scale of one
to five chili peppers.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's called Melinda's Spicy Books Hot Sauce Set. There are
five different spice levels, so we have mild, medium, hot, flaming,
and burning. And because Simona and I love a trend,
we tried the sauces and then we picked things that
we liked at Walmart that corresponded to each sauces level
of spice.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh, I am so excited to get into this. I
love spice. I'm a spicy girl, so I'm dying to
see what you picked too.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So Bestie's, we're gonna sample the hot sauces once again.
This one is the mild flavor oooh, and it's mango
hob and narrow. It only has one spicy pepper on it,
but it still has a kick. And this one reminds
me of the Mabelne Lifter plump lasting lip gloss in
mauv bite because it still has a little bite to it,
but not too much.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I chose the mango colored no boundaries woven beech tote
bag because mango habanaro a mango beech tote. It just
makes sense. It makes total sense. Okay, now we have
hot sauce number two. This is the medium, the green one. Okay,
so let's give this one a try again. She's doing
the tequila shot style on the palm.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Delicious.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Ooh, that is delicious. I taste the lime. I taste
the vinegar. That would go perfect on my summer taco. Okay,
for this one. This one reminds me of the Bubble
skincare bounce back refreshing tone or spray. It kind of
reminds me of that little heat effect that you get
on your face, a little sweat whenever you start eating
something really spicy. It's a perfect fix for whenever you are,
(32:43):
you know, need a little refresh.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I went with the tall, stainless steel Hudson tumbler with
flip up straw. It's the thirty ounce and it's in
the orange color. I mostly chose it because I was like, okay,
two jolapeno peppers orange. Plus I love a tumbler. I
bring one to work every day. Okay, we're officially getting hot.
This is the Spicy Books Chipotle Hot Sauce. What do
(33:06):
you think about this one?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
By this color, you can tell that it is loaded
up with some potent Chipotle flavor.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
My tongue is on fire with this one. I have
to go with the Summer Camp sunscreen because even if
it's hot outside, you gotta protect your skin with that SPF.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Okay, I'm gonna go with the fire Dragon party tube
inflatable raft because I can just envision myself on that
raft in my pool, the balance of the cool water
with this hot hot sauce on some Guacan chips. I'm
here for it.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I see you closing your eyes. You're really envisioning that.
I am.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I'm going there, all right, It's getting real, Danielle. Next up,
we have these spicy books flaming hot sauce.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
This one really has a kick. Okay, I'm gonna say that.
The flaming red savina reminds me of the olive in
June instant press on nails in the lavender shimmer color.
And I'm gonna tell you why. All that shimmer makes
me flaming hot. You pop those bad boys on in
a car ride on your way to a night out,
and all of a sudden you are flaming hot.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Absolutely, I'm all about a car manny for mine. I'm
gonna go with the free assembly cotton cropped, buttoned down shirt.
Whenever you're eating something spicy, you always want to have
a little access to ventilation, and nothing does that like
a button down shirt. That's true.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Okay, our last one, are you ready to be put
to the test.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I can take it.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
This one is called burning. We're gonna taste this one again.
It's definitely the reddest of them all.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Hard to talk after that one for burning, I have
a burning desire to rock the no boundaries. Pink sunglasses,
spicy sauce in the mouth, spicy summer outside. You need
a little eye protection.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Very grease, lightning. I love it. I'm going with the
scoop block heel mule sandals because if it's gonna be
hot of my tongue, hot of my mouth, I better
have heat on my feet and girls have heat too,
So pink metallic sandals.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Sign me up. Well, I'm sufficiently awake now. Yes, we're
ready to record ten episodes. Now shop Melinda's Spicy Books,
Hot Sauce set plus a curated collection of summer accessories,
fashion and beauty so you can have your own spicy
summer now at Walmart. That's it for today's show. Tomorrow,
(35:28):
we're joined by author Alexian Ferrel Falmuth. She's here to
talk about her book Twelfth Night, which is the summer
yapick for Reese's book Club.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm simone voice you can find me at Simone Voice
on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok that's Robay.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
See you tomorrow, folks, same time, same place. Until then,
keep looking on the bright side.
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Danielle Robay
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