February 15, 2025 • 51 mins
In today's episode, the gang welcomes author Jim McClellan to the show. He authored the book Life Along the Apalachicola River. He shares his own hilarious stories.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
And welcome to the Town Outdoor Show. I'm Charlie, I'm JD.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm for a happy Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Paul. Just just say that, Paul, okay, and we have
a special guest. Then we'll get to you in just
a minute. The So, yeah, we've got in the last
couple of shows. I have mentioned standing in the line
at the at the I almost want to sing that
song standing line. But at the CVS's waiting on my
(00:31):
wife to get something prescription or something like that for me.
She's not medicated, I am, and uh, she lives, she
lives with me. She probably should be medicated. And I
look over next to me and there's this, uh, this
rack of you know, books, historic books and stuff. And
I see this one that says life along Apple that's
(00:52):
Cola and uh a river and I'm thinking, well, that's
the big river. That's one of those local books that's
about somebody wrote this book. And I reached over and
threw it in the basket. And my wife, what are
you doing. You don't like read books. I said, yeah,
I know, give me credit. It's a short book. And
and that turns out it was written specifically for folks
like us. Jad is this short attention span stories about
(01:16):
things that it's it's it's there's nothing long. It doesn't
include any I mean, there's a lot of philosophical stuff
in there, but it's stuff we can understand, you know,
stuff that normal people can do. And uh, and I
get looking at it and I'm going, man, this sounds familiar.
Some of these names are like, you know, it's like
that one person removed. I know somebody knows them. And
(01:37):
and at the end of the book, I get looking
at it and I say something on the show, and
then all of a sudden people start reaching out cause
I introduce you to this guy. Turns out we we
we have grown up right down the road from each other.
Just uh and so so Jim McClellan is the author
of the book, and he is in the studio with
(01:57):
us today. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, thank you so much for having me. I feel
like I'm in home.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Well, after the intro of what you got introduced to
in the studio, it's like, well, okay, houses, what's the
what was it? What's the etiquette? And I said, well,
we're unedicated, you know, we don't have any etiquette. So
then yeah, so so anyhow, tell us a little bit
about you. You grew up where.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I grew up in the Greater Metropolitan Bluntstown area.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's like a half a rural block down there.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
It's such a small town, Charlie that, as you know,
we had to go up to Marianna to find something
to do that involved girls.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
We had plan.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, see, you're the same set of sobs that came
from Chattahoochee and everywhere else because to Marianna to the Yeah,
and the thing was, is you know Chappole's there. I
understand you attended that for some period day I did.
I read something about that in the book, says you
at least there was one semester you did quite well.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, there was one semester that I did quite well.
There were about three or four that I uh did not.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
What you wrote about was the one where you skipped
class to go do something. What did you go do?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We went? Gary, Wayne Purvis and I were on the
verge of flunking out. Uh we would you know.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Sell college career.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
We had Uh we'd spend a lot of our time
uh not studying, doing everything but studying, and we realized
when grades were about to come out that it was
going to be bad. So we had two choices. One
was to study hard and try to you know, overcome
our our past laziness. But Gary Wayne had a better idea,
(03:36):
which was, you know, to keep our fathers from getting.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Mad at us.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
What we really ought to do is go frog gigging
and get a mess of frogs and bring it back
to them at the same time, same day the grades
come out, and then that'll loss set their anger at
you know, our uh aunt.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That's pretty good thinking.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's hard to be mad when you're in when somebody's
feeding progcts.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
We failed on both counts.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
But you didn't get no frogs. We got plenty of frogs,
but they wasn't They were still mad.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
They were still mad. But also we uh we had
We were coming out of place called the Old River,
and Gary Wayne was Gary Wayne and a guy named
Emory Godwin who the sheriff down there, w sheriff down
in Callahan County, and we were going in a place
called the Old River. And it was a real shallow
kind of gravelly run maybe six eight inches deep, and
(04:28):
so going into the Old River, we pushed the boat
across the heavy white line boat. Yep, got a bunch
of frogs up in there. They were all over the place.
We we laid.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
To the frogs.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
We get ready to come back out. We didn't want
to pull that heavy boat. And Gary Wayne said, you
know what, I bet if I back up and get
a running start, we can just we can make it
across that thirty feet of you know, shallow water and sand.
And uh, what kind of motor you had? He had
an old Evan rood best I remember about a twenty
(05:01):
old twenty five avenue ue And what happened, well, you know,
the equivalent of hold my beer. Another thing to watch
out for us. And somebody says, let's back up and
get a run and get start. That's usually not a
good thing to do.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We generally when you end up crashing your bike in
the ditch or getting stuck or break something that costs
a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
We went full speed across that sand gravel bar there,
and to Garywaye's credit, we made it all the way across.
But when we got to the other side and we
got back out in the Chipolo River, we were all
in the bottom of the boat. Gary Wayne Emory, I
mean we get up, we kind of dust ourselves off.
(05:44):
The motor starts right up, and we put it in gear,
or he put it in gear and started game, and
we ain't going anywhere. And I said, you shared a pin.
He said that's all right, I got more share pins,
and so I said, we'll get so he pulled the
motor up out of the water. The sheer pen was
not the problem.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
No prop.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The prop looked like you beer can through a blender.
It had one half of one blade sticking up. Another
blade looked like you just taking it and twisted it,
and then the other blade was just gone. So were
you up or down strength? We were down strength? Oh yeah,
better You remember earlier talking about the you know, our
(06:24):
our college career. This was another another sign that we
needed a few more years of maturity before we got yeah,
got away from the dunk supermowl.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It was the old motor. Are you talking about sheer pins?
Because uh yeah, I had an old I think it
was maybe a nine point nine or a six horse
or something. It was on my duck boat. And like
some of the old one morning, way before daylight, cold
as I all get out, hit a stump, broke a
sheer pin. I didn't have any extra sheher pins, and
(06:55):
I'm digging around in the boat. Thankfully. I had built
a duck blind that year on mcasookie and was on
Lake Seminole, and I had some nails in there, and
some wirecutters, uh you know, some some some you know whatever,
heavy duty wirecutters. I don't know why they were in there,
but they were, and ended up making one out of
a out of a nail. Just got lucky, just pure
(07:17):
sheer luck. Uh. You know, motors don't have that anymore.
You know. Back then that's how you kept from breaking
the prop. But you had to work. You had to
work hard at it. Then you must have had good
sheer pin in there, or not a sheer pin or
something else was better that he probably did.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
He probably had a nail or something that was about
three times as strong.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, So you when so you grew up down there.
You talk about in your book a place called I'm
on your Lake. Everybody around here knows lake I'm on you,
but I'm on your Lake is actually on the big River.
And y'all had a y'all had a back up, Fred,
I can't see the man your heads in a way.
(07:56):
The so y'all had y'all you're you're you're fan. You
tell me about the camps.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, okay, there's there's three camp We talked about the camp.
There's three places that you need to know. One is
the Aemonia Lake Clubhouse. And that's a hunting club that
a fellow named D. B. Hayes developed. He worked for
Neil Land and Timber Company. Back then it was Neil
Number Company. He came over from Bruton, Alabama. He was
mayor of Bruton. He came over in the thirties to
(08:24):
see if there would be a if lunsdown would be
a good place for a meal, and he discovered Ammonia
Lake and there was already a bunch of people like
my uncle and other folks that were already hunting and
fishing out there and all. And he realized that he
just loved that place, and he very wisely decided that
what they needed was instead of just friends and friends
(08:45):
coming down and hunting when they felt like it or whatever,
that he'd organized a club. And in nineteen thirty eight
they built a clubhouse there. And so that's uh, that's
one place. And then our family uh about a half
a mile there as the crew Flies had some property
in an old camp there, sold that property and then
(09:07):
built a new camp quarter mile away, So all those
things are all together.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
A new camp doesn't mean it was like brand new,
it's just the newest property because as you described that stuff,
there wasn't a whole lot of new anything.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
It was nothing new and just just going forward. Camp
is more a term of geography than architect.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's not like one of those plantation camps or vacation
is stay places. It's a it's a it's a spot
of clear dirt that y'all like would go hang out at. Yeah, yeah,
which which you know is what that's what we're used to.
That's that small town, that's what you're used to. Is uh,
just just a place of backup sit on a tailgate
(09:47):
or in your dad's case, was it your dad that
made a thrown out of a chainsaw or something one time? Yeah,
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We're back. So we're talking with Jim McClellan with Life
along Apple at Chicola River. Like I'm terrible with titles,
so on the break we got to talking about fish.
And one of the things you write about in your
book is the fresh fresh fry. Fact is fry culture,
you know, and that's something we're all kind of part of,
(11:14):
you know, that's something we do down These are what
these parts is. There's there's fish fries. And I laughed
because you mentioned. I think you said in there somewhere.
I don't think there's a politician anywhere near here it's
ever been elected without having like a mullet, fish fry
or something. And you talk about mullet, and when I
was running for sheriff for Leon County, we had a
(11:35):
fish fry, and I remember going down and buying a
big of icest full of mullet, you know, and it's
not everybody's think. You know, my wife won't eat it,
but I love it. I like the backbones, you know.
It's just just the the It's just me and so U.
But there's there's a jad He's talked about it, and
(11:56):
a polic We talked about like frying suckers before and
fishing for socks and things like that. And I'm reading
this book and I'm going this, it's like sitting in
the studio listening to these same knuckleheads every day talk.
But there's nothing unique about it. So when y'all were
talk a little bit about that lifestyle, as you recall it.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, first of all, let me address one of the things.
And I said this early on in the book, I said,
you know this, these experiences that I'm writing about are
usually about my family, my friends, but anybody that grew
up between Chattahoochie and apple A chic Coola can probably
attest to everything that I have written in here. And
frying fish was one of these things that just you
just did. My father had. We always joked that if
(12:38):
my father had gotten stuck, he could have lived for
about five years off his truck. He always has rifle
fishing poles. He had sessions, peanut oil, Hoover's corn, and meal,
an onion usually with a you know, a green sprout
on it about eight inches long in their potato that
was soft as hell, you know. But he was always
(13:00):
we would go on any random now, he and all
his buddies on on Thursday afternoon, so they would all
go down to Ammonia Lake out right off from lunch
and go down there and they'd all fish and they'd
come back to Thursday evening. We'd always have fried brim shell, cracker, catfish,
whatever bit that day, yeah, whatever, you know, because they'd
fry and fishing, and he'd bring some home from Mom
(13:21):
and me. But a lot of times on Saturday morning
we just get up, drive down to the camp and
uh sit there and fish on the bank, or paddle
boat around a little bit and fish and cook and
eat right there on the bank, make mama a plate
and then come home.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And uh, we used to do the same thing, Jim.
On there. There's a little creek called cold We just
always call it coal creeks is fed from a from
a spring up in the woods. It's just south of it,
in a little bit on the on the blunch down
side of the river, there's a creek that comes out
and if you follow that creek up in the woods,
it's a big old blue hole up there. But we
used to load up on the boat, go down there,
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fish all day, take the court, like you said, Hoover's cornmeal,
peanut ol, the fish fryer or whatever we caught that day,
sit right there and sit there to usually sit there
and eat and hang around, play, swim whatever till dark.
And then you could watch the mosquitos start coming up
the river, and it's that you had to outrun them
back to the you know, back to the hill. You
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start hearing this buzz sound and it was it. I
mean literally, there's so many mosquitos that you could hear them.
You've run from them too, I know you have.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I have, But I want to tell you something. I
was up in Maine in the summer of twenty twenty three.
Why I was hiking?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh, why.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
He went. He decided to go for a while, run
out of gas.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I got divorced in twenty twenty three, in February of
twenty twenty three, and went.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
On a walk about.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, I went on a walk.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Turns out it takes you back.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You're supposed to do that before the divorce.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You had to walk a long way.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
She was some kind of mad.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It took about seven six hundred and fifty miles to
kind of wear now. But I was up in Maine,
and I'll tell you what Maine is. There's two things
in Maine. There's there's mountains, and there's swamp. And when
you're not on the mountain, you're in the swamp. And
when I got back to Florida, I apologized Florida mosquitoes.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
They got all kind of stuff up there that will
bite you. It ain't just mosquitoes, it's them midge midge
fly black flies. Oh my gosh, that's the most horrible
summer summer time place I've ever been.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I tell you it was. They told me. You're your luck.
You missed the black flies. They're not as bad as
they would normally be if you'd got in here earlier.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
They whooped no seam, they would beat at no seeum
to death up there. These things are bad.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah. I came back and I thought, you know what,
I sat in honey Pond one day with a I
had a thumbo cell, and I got to give my
brother credit for this quote. He said, that's the device
that has led to the death of more turkeys than
any event.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Absolutely power, absolutely I had.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I had one of those things sitting beside me one
day and I was down in Honey Pine, which is
off of Money Lake and uh real swampy and everything.
I had my turkey decoy set up and all sitting there,
and I thought, man, this thermo cell is not working
because you excuse is still biting. And I thought, well,
I guess I need you know, car or whatever, but
I ain't getting it, so might as well just sit
(16:30):
here and suffered. When my decoy fell over and I
got up and went slinking over to my decoy and
set it up. I came back to that thermocil on
a dead run.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yeah it was working.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Fine, it was getting out numbered.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, it's just so you're talking about being on the river.
You see that picture on the wall right there, Yep,
that is me when I was I don't know, six
seven years old. That's my daddy, and that is on
a slew off that stretch of river. We used to
go put in and he would take me down the
bigger south of the dam between there and Bluntstown somewhere,
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and I remember putting it at Chattaoochee a bunch but
which kind of silly because you put in and you've
got to go downstream, but we go to Bluntstown and
go north, and yeah, that was I think my mama
was in the boat that day. But he and somebody
took the picture. Well he and a fella. Yeah, there
wasn't nothing. It wasn't no remote set the phone and
(17:25):
time it that was. It was one of the old
thirty five minute ter roll up where you take this
film cartridge out of it. So he used to go
out with a buddy of his who's still around, Steve
Glenn coom Bottom Glenn and they would go out and
I remember sitting in the boat with those two, which
was if I had a good enough memory the stories
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that I could have heard. It probably did hear and
chose to ignore because my young innocent brain didn't want
to recall those things. And we'd fish for channel cats,
and I remember one time, you know, Daddy was like,
dang Son, you're catching all the fishing coon bobs over there. Yeah,
you just keep going. And I looked around. Neither one
of them had a pole, and they were sucking the
(18:06):
bottom out of a bottle ead a gym beam or
the Canadian Lord calvert or whatever was in vogue at
the time. And I'm catching the fish and I'm looking around,
and we left. Later on, in Daddy's truck, we're driving
down the road and I'm sitting in between these two
grown men and I don't know how much of that
liquor had hit them, but Daddy's driving this old puke
green Dodge Ram pickup truck pulling that little old John
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boat behind it. And a guy went across the road,
one of his little two lane back roads, and they
were reflecting, you know how, they got lights on the
reflector on the wheels, and the guy drove across the
road with his bicycle and those reflectors were doing this
almost like googly eyed, weird twirly thing, and my daddy
locked up and slammed on brakes and what in the
(18:48):
world is.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That of the aliens.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I don't know what they had thought, but this trips
like that growing up. Now. I don't advocate for drinking
on the boat or driving home under the I don't
advocate for any of that stuff, but it makes.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Me it's funny. I went, I went catfishing one time,
right we were out there right about the golf power
plant discharge on the river. And uh, it was with
as me and buddy of mine who's who's my age
and always Donovan's been my best friend, and and another
fellow that went with us who was who was older
than us, and and he was in the boat and
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I'm not going to say who it was, but anyway,
he he reaches down in there and pulls out a
big old bottle of of wild Turkey liquor, and wild turkey,
unlike the cheaper whiskeys, has a cork, right cork top,
and he pulls the cork out of that top of
that brand new bottle of wild turkey and threw it
(19:45):
out in the river. And that was an indicator of
how the rest of the day went because I was
I didn't, Uh, I was, I was the one.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
It was.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
It was my boat, and I didn't. I didn't. But man,
oh my goodness, yeah he got he got knee walking
Reggie Young and Kimmode hugging drunk out there.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's not a Jeff fox Worthy joke, says I. If
you've ever been too drunk.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
To fish, that guy got too drunk to fish that day.
End up laying down on the back of the boat,
and I was like, that's not the fishing trip I
had in mind today. But I remember catching a pile
of them, the little channel cats. It's about, you know,
eight or ten inches long. And there ain't no better
eating fish on the planet than the little channel cat
(20:31):
fresh out of that river.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Over there along those lines. I'm looking over here at
your at your h at this catfish basket.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
That that is a trap.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen catfish caught out
of a basket.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Did you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I tell you, I tried to re engineer that. My
aunt Anne Larkin's McClellan. She grew up on Larkin's Fish
Camp on the Florida River, which is a little bit
south of the Monty Lake now there on Liberty Camp side.
And she had one sister and her her father, Richard Barkins,
had a fish camp then there working fish camp. If
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you go down h that part of the world, you'll
see the sign in there.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
It's a little down around Kennedy Creek and.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Close a little bit north of right around some mattress. Okay,
But she had the most fascinating childhood ever. She grew up.
She was born in the thirties and grew up. But
her father they had had hogging rights for twenty five
hundred acres of that National forest down there. They had
ear marks for all the hogs. So he had a
(21:38):
fish camp where he where people from Atlanta, Birmingham, place
like that would come down stay. And he was a
commercial cat fisherman and hog trapper, and he was one
of us.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You didn't your business cars is comp fishing and hogs
all on the same line. You might.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
You said something that that these people that you know
and we know you did not mess with those people.
They It's not that they would shoot you. They would
pull you limb from limb, and not even I mean,
these were some of the some of These folks are
the toughest human beings you will ever encounter in your life.
And you just don't get it unless you have been
(22:24):
around and grown up around. I've grown up around some
of those folks too. With there's just certain certain old
men in the community. You didn't mess with them, You
didn't talk. You just nodded your head and said hello
and let them go about their business. So, yeah, all right,
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about all the other stuff because it was incriminating the
people that we don't want to incriminate on the break.
But just know that if you're you hung out in
some of these stories, JD now knows the other side
of that, so I know who you are. But Fred's
been going through your He's been thumbing through it, and
I think he's looking to see if there's anything that
(24:05):
still is within the criminal prosecution period having met.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Just looking out if there is. I take back what
I said about defense attorney.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Well, well, you know, all you have to do is say, well,
actually this was a fix on account of that story.
I exaggerated a little bit because we all know that
every story, you know, we have to we have to
change a few words in there. One to stay out
of trouble. Too to make it sound a little more
interested in whatever, although they're true. And now you put
all these stories together, you were doing you were doing
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a blog, right.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, I started. The reason I even started this whole
thing was I was working for a tech company every
Pennce Cola, and I would start talking to some of
these guys and they were some of them hunters and
fishermen and stuff like that. But you start talking about
something like froug Gigin and you'd see a disturbed looking
on their face, like what And I realized is that,
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you know, we grew up in a special place, in
a special time. And it occurred to me that people
like my father and old men like Greasy Gasking and
Tommy Williams and people like that, people that weren't famous
but who had such an incredible impact, their stories were
never told and the only people to tell those stories
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are their family members and friends and stuff like that.
And I got to looking around and uh, looked at
my brothers and they ain't write anything. Now, they argued
with everything I.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Wrote in the book, it goes to show that Red
Holland was just another fisherman, but he got a TV
show exactly. He's just another guy that goes fishing. Paul
could have his own TV show because he could. We
actually talked about when we were building this range out here,
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me and Jad all the misadventures we had, say adventures,
they were all misadventures. We could have had a reality
show out here. We'd have been as big as the Dutch,
the Dutch guys because you know, all their little outtakes
and stuff they did. We're out here. You know, we
got guys rolling tractors over and getting stuff stuck and
can't figure out how to crank stuff up. And you
know it would be one of those. Okay, today, I'm
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going down here to help Greg figure out how to
crank the tractor. That always got to do is shove
a screwdriver in the sower on the line, fire right up.
I drove an hour to get here, and then his
his his response was, how'd you do that? You're just
the wrong generation son sticking a BULLETSU Yeah, yeah, sticky?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
How do you?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah? Yeah? People quit loaning ugh stuff, listen.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I worked for neil Land and Timber Company for a
couple of summers and I actually sat we actually had
a staff meeting one time to remember where we had
left the old low Boy tractor or low Boy trailer
and truck tractor.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Here happens it especially people don't realize that there is
still a tremendous amount of wilderness between along the applies
called word between Chattooche there is. The further south you go,
the more wilderness there is. And there's and and people
don't realize that it wasn't but a couple of generations
ago that there were wild cows and wild hogs. And
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I remember stories my granny telling me that them the
thing they feared the most. And he grew up in
over around Chipley and Holmes Creek Swamp, and the thing
they feared the most when he was a boy was
a cow. And we don't we have a hard time
wrapping our head around that because you walk out in
a cow pasture and you might want of them, might
come up their tea and scratch him on the head
or whatever. But when you got cows in the woods,
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it's never seen a human. Think about the South African
cape buffalo. That's the attitude you're dealing with.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
My aunt man, who we were discussing in the last segment,
that was one of the things that she told me
that they still she had to deal with a lot,
and she and her sister Maretta ran from one. She
had climbed the fence to get away from a wild cow.
They climbed the fence into the domestic cow.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
In the cow. Yeah, get away for one. It whatn't
pinned up? Yeah, it's uh. And things haven't changed in
a lot of these places a lot since then. I
mean there's probably still some wild cows running around down
there in the woods. You never know.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Well, there's sure some wild hogs there. There's many of
some domestic hogs that get out and read with them.
They get kind of big. Sometimes they will run you
up a cypress tree. If you're both hunting in this one,
I can just tell you that for a fact. Yeah. Hey,
we'll be back in just a minute. We'll come back.
We'll talk about a little bit about old school deer hunting.
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Jim McClellan, author Extraordinary of All Things Apple. It's Cola River,
Ddingeck and beyond. I mean, you are you have just
because you grew up just memories. You have a professional career.
You are a professional in your chosen path, and you
in communications or I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Public relations, marketing. I started my career as a speech
writer for going to a Lawton child who was a
friend of Coon Bottom Glens by the way really.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Had Coon and the he coon walks just before.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
The I think that might have been at daddy. There
was two. There's I think there was a father's I
forget how it goes, but I look at him now
and it's the old you know, daddy's age, you know,
in the late seventies or something.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
There's a news flash where Charlie, we're old.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You're older than I am. I'm used to see. Anyway,
So back in the day coming up, because you know,
when I was growing up, I was on the farm,
but we didn't really do a whole lot of deer hunting.
I got into that as a late teenager because my
buddies were in it, and I just thought it was
cool because we grew up in the meat business and
you know, we slaughtered. Keep going out and killing wild animals.
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We're sitting there with a cooler full of cows and
hogs and stuff. Process of deer wasn't on the menu
so much. When I was there. We didn't go hungry.
But but I was reading and you brought to light
because I know the first few times I went hunting,
I don't think I had Cameron, and I think I
was wearing like a flannel shirt or something. But you
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talked more about the difference between today's trophy hunting and
what it used to be, and and tell me more
about that. Well, you know, everybody the a lot of
us didn't. We didn't get into the hunting because we
saw it in a magazine or something like that. And
I think that's what I think. That's what's going on
a lot today is it's about the gears, about the
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camo and who's got the best stuff. And I'm saying
that not to condemn any of it. I'm as guilty
of it as anybody else. But it proves one point
that I've always said in my life is marketing to
guys is very simple, especially with sporting goods or anything
like that. Guys never gonna be willing to admit I
just suck. Guys are going.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Like, you know, if I just had it a little
bit better stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It ain't quite good enough, that's right.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah, and uh yeah, well and successful fish bait never
have to catch a fish. They just have to catch
a fisher.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
That's right. That is a really good point.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, one of the things because I read this section
about the deer out in the way it was, and
that's the way I grew up. I mean if you
if you shot a spike, you were proud.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, we didn't. I tell people, we didn't know anything
about quality deer management. We knew a lot about quality
venison manasion. And uh, they're just the idea of letting
a you know, oh he was a you know, he
was only a third year buck, so I wanted to
let it. Those words were never spoken in Calhoun County
until the nineties. I guarantee no.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
If he walked out in the field, had you could see.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Because you had to. And what's what's lost in that
is and if I I tried to talk about a
little bit in the book, but we grew up stal hunting,
you know, walking through that swamp which was an open
high can.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And so what you learned as you got older, you
started shooting squirrels when you were young, and you learn
patience and then to sit down and all that kind
of stuff and then you learn. But you had to
go through years of you know, seeing that deer but
not seeing the one that's standing between you and that
deer and scaring them and then having to log that
in your memory and remember, okay, next time, I better
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look around closer before or seeing that buck and thinking
if I can just get or you know, if I
can just get over to that tree, I can get
a better shot, and having them run off and then
you file it. And that's how you develop those skills,
you know, yeah, tripping over something and realizing you know,
well I probably be better, probably able to watch my
feet too.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Just dry to day, the leaves are gonna crunch, you
know that kind of just sit down, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, and you're right in here that you know,
these these trips that people take. Now, I'm gonna go
to Kansas and kill me a trophy deer, and w
didn't do that growing up that just.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
You know, I'll say this that my sons skills some
nice deer at a tree stand and we hunt out
of tree stands and all that stuff. Now, but I've
never been more proud of him as a hunter than
when he was twelve years old and we were hunting
off the ground in the swamp, in the river swamp
right here on a on the oak Lautney River, hunting
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the river swamp. And I said, we're not We're not
playing you're we're not sitting in a stand today. And
I talked to him for two or three days before
we ever went, and it was all about how to
hunt from the ground like we used to, like you said,
like we used to hunt. And it's a lot of
slow walking and looking and a little bit of sitting
and get up and move a little more and all
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this stuff and watching him listen or you know, him
listening to me for two or three days preparing him
for this mentally and then watching him figure it out.
And he killed a deer that morning, and it was,
you know, it was a little little three point little
three point buck you know, with with five inch long
spikes maybe, and matter of fact won a game one.
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But as I tell you what legal but I'm gonna
argue with it was it was good enough for a
twelve year old boy, ye and I and of all
the deer he's killed out of a tree stand I'm
more proud of him for that one because he listened
to what I said, did exactly and we just don't
do that anymorening Like you said, we're getting old. It's
a lot of work because then you got because you're
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hunting places where you can't drive up there and load
him up in the truck. There's a whole lot of
dragon involved in that. And you know you talking about that.
I remember it being such a big deal. I remember
very well the first dough day in Florida where you
could legally kill a dough and they, you know, it
was a big deal. Man, we can legally shoot a door.
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And me and Donovan, me and my buddy Donovan went
hunting that morning in Rainbow. You know where Rainbow is
around Toria State Park. There's big ravines and stuff. Over
there is now where we were hunting with Saint Joe
Lynn is now part of Toria State Park. And I
shot a dough that morning and it slid all the
way to the bottom of one of them two hundred
foot tall ravines, and it took us the rest of
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the day to get that thing to the hill to
the road and then a mile to where we had
to part you know, but that's one of those core memories.
I will never forget that hunt. Of all the deer
I've killed and stuff I got on the wall or whatever,
I'll never forget that hunt till i'm you know, till
I don't remember anything. I guess because it was just
one of those things where you, you know, and trying
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to trying to put that stuff into words and into
writing to get people to understand what a big deal
that was. Is a gift that you have, I guess.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
You know, well, it.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Was hard.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
It was hard to do that and try to express
it in a way that people can understand. So one
of the things you wrote about, and I just saw
Fred turn to that page a minute ago. That struck
me because there's an old Johnson outboard motor in our
barn at the house that belonged to my daddy. We've
talked about, you know, we have talked about Johnson outboards
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and all those things and old outboards, and you tell
the story about was it your uncle. Yeah, my uncle
Billy was a He was a savant when it came
to anything mechanical.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Fred's savant. But there's a word before the savannes. I
think it's idiot. So so you you had you, I
believe if I recall the story, because your daddy gave
you the motor.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Right, yeah, it was yeah he had Uh, I think
it was my uncle James Neils and Daddy ended up
with it anyway, and he didn't think I was going
to do anything with it, and he said, sure you
have it.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So so what all did you put into that? You told? You?
Tell the story? Tell me.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
When I was eleven years old, and so I went
over to Uncle Billy and I said, because he had
been an outboard motor mechanic, he'd raced. Uh, he was
a boat racer for Mercury. When they would get a
bunch of fifty horse Mercuries in brand new and take
the pistons out and wear them and put the calipers
on this around them to find the ones that matched
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most closely to I mean, they would they would build
up because you had to, you know, you had to
you had a horse power class, and uh, they would
do it pulling skiers and stuff like that. But he
was a fantastic outboard motor mechanic. And so I went
to him and said, Daddy said I could have this
old motor. Do you think we can get it running again?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
So he drove it. He was on the tugboat, right. Yeah,
you went and ordered the parts, apparently without your daddy's permission.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, uncle Billy wrote down. We took that thing apart.
I mean we went apart by part. And he said, now, look,
you're gonna I wanna be on the tugboat and you
gotta take all these parts and scrub them down in
diesel fuel. And he said, I'm gonna make a list,
take it down to the Chevrolet place, which is where
the loss of the Johnson place. And uh he said,
you check, you check with you daddy, make sure he's
okay with it, and I'll order those uh order those parts,
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and then when I get back, we'll put it together. Well,
I ain't want to take a chance on asking Daddy
about that, so yeah, and uh so I told Uncle
Billy that. I said, yeah, Daddy said that was okay.
And so Uncle Billy ordered the parts. And I was
thinking I had until you know, the parts came in
to you to uh deal.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
We get them paid for. It turns out I didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You have those plaining, but you've got to function the
motor out of it. In the end, I did, and
a lot of memories I did.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And do you still have the motor?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Uh, my father got me back by giving it away.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Uh. And there you go. They'll do that.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
But we got one more segment. We're gonna come back.
We're gonna get with with Captain Paul. We won't talk
a little bit about fishing, and we'll be back this minute.
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She said something, Daddy, I didn't know what the pigly
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wiggly was until today. And I said what I said,
it's a grocery. It's like it's like an old school
grocery store. I mean it's a grocery store. And she goes, well,
I said, we used to be everywhere, and I think
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Still there's something down out on what it is? Something else?
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Okay, all right, I said, well, she goes I said, well,
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It's she's still getting used to being in Marianna from
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So Paul house fishing going, Man.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
It's been unbelieved. I just sent y'all picture. I had
a lady to catch a ten pounder Monday.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
It was awesome.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
There was from Baytown, uh.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Is that Texas, Texas?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Baytown, Texas, south of Easton.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Fish camps on They fished out of Tleeda.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
Ben Sam Raver when they first opened them up, and
he was telling me all kinds of stories and I
told him for it came, I said, you watch one
out fish and he said, he said, all right, as
usually she does, and she, boy.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
She did that day. He called it. It was an
awesome ja.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
The only thing bigger than that fish in that picture
right there is her smile.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
That was extremely happy.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Oh how big was that fish? Wo?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
See? Jim said they threw them back. Of course, you
throw them back to different is.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
We took pictures and put it right back, so it
did pre produced.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I think gent Paul has the fish trained. They're teame fish.
He knows them, he has them name. That was Betsy
right there. That's what happens is he goes up there
and he goes, Okay, well how much you paid me toak? Okay,
I'm gonna take you that special spot. I got four
or five you can catch over here. Just got to
get him back in the water. Went in a few seconds.
So I've always suspected that he probably slips a snack
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in their mouth as soon as he puts them back
in there. But we had I think he has GPS
tracking on in.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
Your book that y'all down there didn't eat crappy.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Now up here on the lake Seminole people tend to
like crappy morning, like brown or shell crackers, just the opted.
I find that very interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Well, there was a couple of things about that.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
One is, if you had a lot of times the
crappy or specled purse, well they'd be twice as big
as brims. There was problem number one. Got a bunch
of brim and you're getting ready you cook them now
you got one one most speed purses, you know twice
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that big.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I ain't eating that. It's too big where you find
him whole?
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Yeah, you know you gotta you gotta cut them or
flay him or something something.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
I'm so big disciplined and we just flay them.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Well that we never ran it. That part never occurred
to us. But uh, the size of the fish does.
My brother Hens would catch a whole bunch of fish
and he would we eat out. He had live well
and he sit there and weed out until he had
eighteen hen sized Brent, And.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
That's what he wanted.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
That's what he wanted. That was enough for him and
his wife. And his wife liked cold next day, so
that was enough to beat both of them. But a
lot of people did. I probably overplayed it in that
story a little bit, but the bottom line was people
like my grandfather and my father and all, they liked
brim and shell cracker and all a lot. Now they
did anything else. They throw back warm mouth, stunt knickers.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
Woun't the world record shell cracker out of Merrit's mill
pond that feeds into the tripola.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Not currently. It was somebody up in the Midwest.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I think that was Joey Floyd comes out held that
record for a.
Speaker 7 (44:40):
While yeah, yeah, because you know right now, this is
the earliest I've seen this many bassm of shallow you know,
it's like April weather in February. Now, just one of
the timas the show is, it's going to cut it
off a little bit. But really been more in bassat
moves shallow bed and so have the crappie. But I
them jokers. I had a thought I found another day
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j D. I had like there must have been two
thousand went down there the next day. I had to
mend as already and put these people on the fish
guy down there and caught one catfish. They were gone
the next morning. Scramble around, try to catch and we
end up catching something.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
But god, there was a bunch of them.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
I want to do that. I actually want to go
out with somebody news how to catch crappy and catch them.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
You're sitting next to him now.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
A couple of weeks ago, when it was colder, it
was stupid good catching big ones out suspended over deep water.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
But now that's warmed up, they all hit the hill,
you know what I mean. But we use live scope.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Have you ever done that, I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
I've never done That's that's cheating.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
That's cheating.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
It is so I'm looking at your book here on
the red fish, and it appears that you're blaming the
Cajuns for the shortage of redfish.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Paul Prudon is to blame for that.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
That's the that's the uh, that's the caguen I blame
for it?
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Is it? I hadn't read the book, but I'm assuming
you you blame Paul Prudon. Well, it's true. I mean,
it is true. Nobody cooked red fish. It was trash fish.
They threw them back until Paul Prudon came up with
black and red fish recipe. That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
They keep them like any other drum. It's not like
there's anything special about him.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
He came that.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Black and red fish recipe, and all of a sudden
everybody had to have them.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Speaking of Cajuns, you know what what you call a
here we go, ready? You know what you called a
fat Cagun? That lies a lot a jumbo laheez.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
What month did you start seeing brim bed on the
river and the shell cracker? Does the shell cracker bed
for the brim or is it about the same time?
Speaker 5 (46:52):
What do you see down.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
There seems like me sholl cracker bed earlier brim. Finding
the beds kind of hard. You find the shell cracker bit.
You get up in the willows and you or if
you're smart, you wait till low water and run and
look and see where they've been bedding, and then come
back right fishing and high water.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
But jim, here a gig catfish down there on those
shallow you're talking about those shallow shoals where you tore
the tore the motor up when those catfish getting running
in there, and get out there and wait out there
when it gig them.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
I have never gigged a catfish, but only because I
didn't have a cat I didn't see the catfish while
I had a gig.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Yeah, okay, Well I know some guys that actually go
down there and find those when the river flattens out
down there and gets those big shallow sandbar shoals, and
they'll waite out there on the full moon and gig catfish.
I know some guys that used to do that prey regular.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
I started to go gig flounder one time like that,
and we got up in Roger Williams and I for
his boat ran up and then we got out and
started wading up to the sandbar, and we kept hereshish,
couldn't figure out what it was shining the light up there,
And about every twenty five thirty feet along the shallow
water up there was either a water snake or a
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cotton mouth sitting there.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Waiting on a bunch of bay fish right not in
the shell.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
And then the little bit bigger fish would come up there,
and the snakes were so Roger and I turned around
and walked right on back and got back in his boat,
went right back to the land.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
We used to. Uh. I've I've told people this and
they just call me a liar, but we've caught a
lot of flounder bass fishing all the way up by
the dam, near the dam, on the sand bars and stuff.
I've caught him as far north as between the Niny
Bridge and the dam. I have caught probably in my life,
probably ten or twelve flounders, and then some downstream around
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the old Port Authority down there.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
You know, you'll probably have talked about this before, but
you know what else is up there?
Speaker 4 (48:45):
Uh? You know my bull sharks.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, yeah, you've seen one.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yes, gator hunting one night one, and I had no
idea they were up there. To the guys, I was with,
what in the hell's that bullshark? Probably yeah, and I said, whoa,
all the things I've ever worried about. Yeah, I never
worried about shark.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
I've never I've never seen one, but I know guys
that have caught him down around Aspalaga Landing. One of
my best friends caught a tarpain at the discharge and
go power discharge just below the Trustle there in Chattoho.
She caught a juvenile tarpain bass fishing. So, yeah, you're
you're one hundred and twelve miles or so, one hundred
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and ten miles one hundred miles north and all over
the world bull sharks run way further than that, upstream
and up up the rivers and stuff.
Speaker 7 (49:40):
So yeah, I had a gig and experience one time,
and it made me stop gigging about long time ago.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
A long time ago, we was out trying.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
A gig for catfish.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
He just changed what kind of fish it was.
Speaker 7 (49:55):
And I said, and they kept missing. I said, give
me that, dada, give so I said, there's one. So
I got that thing up and drave that gig down,
broke the gig. It broke it and half hit it
so hard and come floating up with an eight pound bass. Oh,
it was laying its belly in the mud and for
sticking out.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
It was an accident, Paul, it happened, explain that I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (50:19):
I would never do that.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
Well, that's kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I would never see. I've heard that on the traffic saws.
I would never do that.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
I didn't. Does protest too much? Exactly what I was.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
About to.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Never thinking again, I'm done. I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
I mean thinks thou dost protest too much?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
There's general intent and there's specific intent. You're gonna need
to worry about that one.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
You ever heard of a jim? You ever heard of
a fish gun? Twenty five thirty five Winchester.
Speaker 7 (50:49):
I had a guy on my boat one time when
we couldn't catch a bendfish. He pulled three seven shot
at him.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
All so real quick.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
He's he's got a section about shooting fish in here. Yeah,
and so I'm wondering, you know, page forty. So what
I'm wondering is these fish you had to shoot off
the tritline. Are those black drunk?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
No that was a bof end as much gosh, I
hate that we're winding down here, so SOIM your book's available.
I know it's available on Amazon, right.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, it was the five hundred and ninety fifth best
seller in the Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Well that's say it's specific, all right, but y'all can
find that their or is your local CBS will be
see y'all next time.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
I thank you
And welcome to the Town Outdoor Show. I'm Charlie, I'm JD.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm for a happy Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Paul. Just just say that, Paul, okay, and we have
a special guest. Then we'll get to you in just
a minute. The So, yeah, we've got in the last
couple of shows. I have mentioned standing in the line
at the at the I almost want to sing that
song standing line. But at the CVS's waiting on my
(00:31):
wife to get something prescription or something like that for me.
She's not medicated, I am, and uh, she lives, she
lives with me. She probably should be medicated. And I
look over next to me and there's this, uh, this
rack of you know, books, historic books and stuff. And
I see this one that says life along Apple that's
(00:52):
Cola and uh a river and I'm thinking, well, that's
the big river. That's one of those local books that's
about somebody wrote this book. And I reached over and
threw it in the basket. And my wife, what are
you doing. You don't like read books. I said, yeah,
I know, give me credit. It's a short book. And
and that turns out it was written specifically for folks
like us. Jad is this short attention span stories about
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things that it's it's it's there's nothing long. It doesn't
include any I mean, there's a lot of philosophical stuff
in there, but it's stuff we can understand, you know,
stuff that normal people can do. And uh, and I
get looking at it and I'm going, man, this sounds familiar.
Some of these names are like, you know, it's like
that one person removed. I know somebody knows them. And
(01:37):
and at the end of the book, I get looking
at it and I say something on the show, and
then all of a sudden people start reaching out cause
I introduce you to this guy. Turns out we we
we have grown up right down the road from each other.
Just uh and so so Jim McClellan is the author
of the book, and he is in the studio with
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us today. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, thank you so much for having me. I feel
like I'm in home.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Well, after the intro of what you got introduced to
in the studio, it's like, well, okay, houses, what's the
what was it? What's the etiquette? And I said, well,
we're unedicated, you know, we don't have any etiquette. So
then yeah, so so anyhow, tell us a little bit
about you. You grew up where.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I grew up in the Greater Metropolitan Bluntstown area.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's like a half a rural block down there.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
It's such a small town, Charlie that, as you know,
we had to go up to Marianna to find something
to do that involved girls.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
We had plan.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, see, you're the same set of sobs that came
from Chattahoochee and everywhere else because to Marianna to the Yeah,
and the thing was, is you know Chappole's there. I
understand you attended that for some period day I did.
I read something about that in the book, says you
at least there was one semester you did quite well.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, there was one semester that I did quite well.
There were about three or four that I uh did not.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
What you wrote about was the one where you skipped
class to go do something. What did you go do?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We went? Gary, Wayne Purvis and I were on the
verge of flunking out. Uh we would you know.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Sell college career.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
We had Uh we'd spend a lot of our time
uh not studying, doing everything but studying, and we realized
when grades were about to come out that it was
going to be bad. So we had two choices. One
was to study hard and try to you know, overcome
our our past laziness. But Gary Wayne had a better idea,
(03:36):
which was, you know, to keep our fathers from getting.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Mad at us.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
What we really ought to do is go frog gigging
and get a mess of frogs and bring it back
to them at the same time, same day the grades
come out, and then that'll loss set their anger at
you know, our uh aunt.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That's pretty good thinking.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's hard to be mad when you're in when somebody's
feeding progcts.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
We failed on both counts.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
But you didn't get no frogs. We got plenty of frogs,
but they wasn't They were still mad.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
They were still mad. But also we uh we had
We were coming out of place called the Old River,
and Gary Wayne was Gary Wayne and a guy named
Emory Godwin who the sheriff down there, w sheriff down
in Callahan County, and we were going in a place
called the Old River. And it was a real shallow
kind of gravelly run maybe six eight inches deep, and
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so going into the Old River, we pushed the boat
across the heavy white line boat. Yep, got a bunch
of frogs up in there. They were all over the place.
We we laid.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
To the frogs.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
We get ready to come back out. We didn't want
to pull that heavy boat. And Gary Wayne said, you
know what, I bet if I back up and get
a running start, we can just we can make it
across that thirty feet of you know, shallow water and sand.
And uh, what kind of motor you had? He had
an old Evan rood best I remember about a twenty
(05:01):
old twenty five avenue ue And what happened, well, you know,
the equivalent of hold my beer. Another thing to watch
out for us. And somebody says, let's back up and
get a run and get start. That's usually not a
good thing to do.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We generally when you end up crashing your bike in
the ditch or getting stuck or break something that costs
a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
We went full speed across that sand gravel bar there,
and to Garywaye's credit, we made it all the way across.
But when we got to the other side and we
got back out in the Chipolo River, we were all
in the bottom of the boat. Gary Wayne Emory, I
mean we get up, we kind of dust ourselves off.
(05:44):
The motor starts right up, and we put it in gear,
or he put it in gear and started game, and
we ain't going anywhere. And I said, you shared a pin.
He said that's all right, I got more share pins,
and so I said, we'll get so he pulled the
motor up out of the water. The sheer pen was
not the problem.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
No prop.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The prop looked like you beer can through a blender.
It had one half of one blade sticking up. Another
blade looked like you just taking it and twisted it,
and then the other blade was just gone. So were
you up or down strength? We were down strength? Oh yeah,
better You remember earlier talking about the you know, our
(06:24):
our college career. This was another another sign that we
needed a few more years of maturity before we got yeah,
got away from the dunk supermowl.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It was the old motor. Are you talking about sheer pins?
Because uh yeah, I had an old I think it
was maybe a nine point nine or a six horse
or something. It was on my duck boat. And like
some of the old one morning, way before daylight, cold
as I all get out, hit a stump, broke a
sheer pin. I didn't have any extra sheher pins, and
(06:55):
I'm digging around in the boat. Thankfully. I had built
a duck blind that year on mcasookie and was on
Lake Seminole, and I had some nails in there, and
some wirecutters, uh you know, some some some you know whatever,
heavy duty wirecutters. I don't know why they were in there,
but they were, and ended up making one out of
a out of a nail. Just got lucky, just pure
(07:17):
sheer luck. Uh. You know, motors don't have that anymore.
You know. Back then that's how you kept from breaking
the prop. But you had to work. You had to
work hard at it. Then you must have had good
sheer pin in there, or not a sheer pin or
something else was better that he probably did.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
He probably had a nail or something that was about
three times as strong.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, So you when so you grew up down there.
You talk about in your book a place called I'm
on your Lake. Everybody around here knows lake I'm on you,
but I'm on your Lake is actually on the big River.
And y'all had a y'all had a back up, Fred,
I can't see the man your heads in a way.
(07:56):
The so y'all had y'all you're you're you're fan. You
tell me about the camps.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Well, okay, there's there's three camp We talked about the camp.
There's three places that you need to know. One is
the Aemonia Lake Clubhouse. And that's a hunting club that
a fellow named D. B. Hayes developed. He worked for
Neil Land and Timber Company. Back then it was Neil
Number Company. He came over from Bruton, Alabama. He was
mayor of Bruton. He came over in the thirties to
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see if there would be a if lunsdown would be
a good place for a meal, and he discovered Ammonia
Lake and there was already a bunch of people like
my uncle and other folks that were already hunting and
fishing out there and all. And he realized that he
just loved that place, and he very wisely decided that
what they needed was instead of just friends and friends
(08:45):
coming down and hunting when they felt like it or whatever,
that he'd organized a club. And in nineteen thirty eight
they built a clubhouse there. And so that's uh, that's
one place. And then our family uh about a half
a mile there as the crew Flies had some property
in an old camp there, sold that property and then
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built a new camp quarter mile away, So all those
things are all together.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
A new camp doesn't mean it was like brand new,
it's just the newest property because as you described that stuff,
there wasn't a whole lot of new anything.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
It was nothing new and just just going forward. Camp
is more a term of geography than architect.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's not like one of those plantation camps or vacation
is stay places. It's a it's a it's a spot
of clear dirt that y'all like would go hang out at. Yeah, yeah,
which which you know is what that's what we're used to.
That's that small town, that's what you're used to. Is uh,
just just a place of backup sit on a tailgate
(09:47):
or in your dad's case, was it your dad that
made a thrown out of a chainsaw or something one time? Yeah,
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We're back. So we're talking with Jim McClellan with Life
along Apple at Chicola River. Like I'm terrible with titles,
so on the break we got to talking about fish.
And one of the things you write about in your
book is the fresh fresh fry. Fact is fry culture,
you know, and that's something we're all kind of part of,
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you know, that's something we do down These are what
these parts is. There's there's fish fries. And I laughed
because you mentioned. I think you said in there somewhere.
I don't think there's a politician anywhere near here it's
ever been elected without having like a mullet, fish fry
or something. And you talk about mullet, and when I
was running for sheriff for Leon County, we had a
(11:35):
fish fry, and I remember going down and buying a
big of icest full of mullet, you know, and it's
not everybody's think. You know, my wife won't eat it,
but I love it. I like the backbones, you know.
It's just just the the It's just me and so U.
But there's there's a jad He's talked about it, and
(11:56):
a polic We talked about like frying suckers before and
fishing for socks and things like that. And I'm reading
this book and I'm going this, it's like sitting in
the studio listening to these same knuckleheads every day talk.
But there's nothing unique about it. So when y'all were
talk a little bit about that lifestyle, as you recall it.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, first of all, let me address one of the things.
And I said this early on in the book, I said,
you know this, these experiences that I'm writing about are
usually about my family, my friends, but anybody that grew
up between Chattahoochie and apple A chic Coola can probably
attest to everything that I have written in here. And
frying fish was one of these things that just you
just did. My father had. We always joked that if
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my father had gotten stuck, he could have lived for
about five years off his truck. He always has rifle
fishing poles. He had sessions, peanut oil, Hoover's corn, and meal,
an onion usually with a you know, a green sprout
on it about eight inches long in their potato that
was soft as hell, you know. But he was always
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we would go on any random now, he and all
his buddies on on Thursday afternoon, so they would all
go down to Ammonia Lake out right off from lunch
and go down there and they'd all fish and they'd
come back to Thursday evening. We'd always have fried brim shell, cracker, catfish,
whatever bit that day, yeah, whatever, you know, because they'd
fry and fishing, and he'd bring some home from Mom
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and me. But a lot of times on Saturday morning
we just get up, drive down to the camp and
uh sit there and fish on the bank, or paddle
boat around a little bit and fish and cook and
eat right there on the bank, make mama a plate
and then come home.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And uh, we used to do the same thing, Jim.
On there. There's a little creek called cold We just
always call it coal creeks is fed from a from
a spring up in the woods. It's just south of it,
in a little bit on the on the blunch down
side of the river, there's a creek that comes out
and if you follow that creek up in the woods,
it's a big old blue hole up there. But we
used to load up on the boat, go down there,
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fish all day, take the court, like you said, Hoover's cornmeal,
peanut ol, the fish fryer or whatever we caught that day,
sit right there and sit there to usually sit there
and eat and hang around, play, swim whatever till dark.
And then you could watch the mosquitos start coming up
the river, and it's that you had to outrun them
back to the you know, back to the hill. You
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start hearing this buzz sound and it was it. I
mean literally, there's so many mosquitos that you could hear them.
You've run from them too, I know you have.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I have, But I want to tell you something. I
was up in Maine in the summer of twenty twenty three.
Why I was hiking?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh, why.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
He went. He decided to go for a while, run
out of gas.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I got divorced in twenty twenty three, in February of
twenty twenty three, and went.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
On a walk about.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, I went on a walk.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Turns out it takes you back.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You're supposed to do that before the divorce.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You had to walk a long way.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
She was some kind of mad.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It took about seven six hundred and fifty miles to
kind of wear now. But I was up in Maine,
and I'll tell you what Maine is. There's two things
in Maine. There's there's mountains, and there's swamp. And when
you're not on the mountain, you're in the swamp. And
when I got back to Florida, I apologized Florida mosquitoes.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
They got all kind of stuff up there that will
bite you. It ain't just mosquitoes, it's them midge midge
fly black flies. Oh my gosh, that's the most horrible
summer summer time place I've ever been.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I tell you it was. They told me. You're your luck.
You missed the black flies. They're not as bad as
they would normally be if you'd got in here earlier.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
They whooped no seam, they would beat at no seeum
to death up there. These things are bad.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah. I came back and I thought, you know what,
I sat in honey Pond one day with a I
had a thumbo cell, and I got to give my
brother credit for this quote. He said, that's the device
that has led to the death of more turkeys than
any event.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Absolutely power, absolutely I had.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I had one of those things sitting beside me one
day and I was down in Honey Pine, which is
off of Money Lake and uh real swampy and everything.
I had my turkey decoy set up and all sitting there,
and I thought, man, this thermo cell is not working
because you excuse is still biting. And I thought, well,
I guess I need you know, car or whatever, but
I ain't getting it, so might as well just sit
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here and suffered. When my decoy fell over and I
got up and went slinking over to my decoy and
set it up. I came back to that thermocil on
a dead run.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yeah it was working.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Fine, it was getting out numbered.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, it's just so you're talking about being on the river.
You see that picture on the wall right there, Yep,
that is me when I was I don't know, six
seven years old. That's my daddy, and that is on
a slew off that stretch of river. We used to
go put in and he would take me down the
bigger south of the dam between there and Bluntstown somewhere,
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and I remember putting it at Chattaoochee a bunch but
which kind of silly because you put in and you've
got to go downstream, but we go to Bluntstown and
go north, and yeah, that was I think my mama
was in the boat that day. But he and somebody
took the picture. Well he and a fella. Yeah, there
wasn't nothing. It wasn't no remote set the phone and
(17:25):
time it that was. It was one of the old
thirty five minute ter roll up where you take this
film cartridge out of it. So he used to go
out with a buddy of his who's still around, Steve
Glenn coom Bottom Glenn and they would go out and
I remember sitting in the boat with those two, which
was if I had a good enough memory the stories
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that I could have heard. It probably did hear and
chose to ignore because my young innocent brain didn't want
to recall those things. And we'd fish for channel cats,
and I remember one time, you know, Daddy was like,
dang Son, you're catching all the fishing coon bobs over there. Yeah,
you just keep going. And I looked around. Neither one
of them had a pole, and they were sucking the
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bottom out of a bottle ead a gym beam or
the Canadian Lord calvert or whatever was in vogue at
the time. And I'm catching the fish and I'm looking around,
and we left. Later on, in Daddy's truck, we're driving
down the road and I'm sitting in between these two
grown men and I don't know how much of that
liquor had hit them, but Daddy's driving this old puke
green Dodge Ram pickup truck pulling that little old John
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boat behind it. And a guy went across the road,
one of his little two lane back roads, and they
were reflecting, you know how, they got lights on the
reflector on the wheels, and the guy drove across the
road with his bicycle and those reflectors were doing this
almost like googly eyed, weird twirly thing, and my daddy
locked up and slammed on brakes and what in the
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world is.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That of the aliens.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I don't know what they had thought, but this trips
like that growing up. Now. I don't advocate for drinking
on the boat or driving home under the I don't
advocate for any of that stuff, but it makes.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Me it's funny. I went, I went catfishing one time,
right we were out there right about the golf power
plant discharge on the river. And uh, it was with
as me and buddy of mine who's who's my age
and always Donovan's been my best friend, and and another
fellow that went with us who was who was older
than us, and and he was in the boat and
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I'm not going to say who it was, but anyway,
he he reaches down in there and pulls out a
big old bottle of of wild Turkey liquor, and wild turkey,
unlike the cheaper whiskeys, has a cork, right cork top,
and he pulls the cork out of that top of
that brand new bottle of wild turkey and threw it
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out in the river. And that was an indicator of
how the rest of the day went because I was
I didn't, Uh, I was, I was the one.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
It was.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
It was my boat, and I didn't. I didn't. But man,
oh my goodness, yeah he got he got knee walking
Reggie Young and Kimmode hugging drunk out there.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's not a Jeff fox Worthy joke, says I. If
you've ever been too drunk.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
To fish, that guy got too drunk to fish that day.
End up laying down on the back of the boat,
and I was like, that's not the fishing trip I
had in mind today. But I remember catching a pile
of them, the little channel cats. It's about, you know,
eight or ten inches long. And there ain't no better
eating fish on the planet than the little channel cat
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fresh out of that river.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Over there along those lines. I'm looking over here at
your at your h at this catfish basket.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
That that is a trap.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen catfish caught out
of a basket.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Did you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I tell you, I tried to re engineer that. My
aunt Anne Larkin's McClellan. She grew up on Larkin's Fish
Camp on the Florida River, which is a little bit
south of the Monty Lake now there on Liberty Camp side.
And she had one sister and her her father, Richard Barkins,
had a fish camp then there working fish camp. If
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you go down h that part of the world, you'll
see the sign in there.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
It's a little down around Kennedy Creek and.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Close a little bit north of right around some mattress. Okay,
But she had the most fascinating childhood ever. She grew up.
She was born in the thirties and grew up. But
her father they had had hogging rights for twenty five
hundred acres of that National forest down there. They had
ear marks for all the hogs. So he had a
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fish camp where he where people from Atlanta, Birmingham, place
like that would come down stay. And he was a
commercial cat fisherman and hog trapper, and he was one
of us.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You didn't your business cars is comp fishing and hogs
all on the same line. You might.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
You said something that that these people that you know
and we know you did not mess with those people.
They It's not that they would shoot you. They would
pull you limb from limb, and not even I mean,
these were some of the some of These folks are
the toughest human beings you will ever encounter in your life.
And you just don't get it unless you have been
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around and grown up around. I've grown up around some
of those folks too. With there's just certain certain old
men in the community. You didn't mess with them, You
didn't talk. You just nodded your head and said hello
and let them go about their business. So, yeah, all right,
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Fritz said something just a minute ago. We can't talk
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about all the other stuff because it was incriminating the
people that we don't want to incriminate on the break.
But just know that if you're you hung out in
some of these stories, JD now knows the other side
of that, so I know who you are. But Fred's
been going through your He's been thumbing through it, and
I think he's looking to see if there's anything that
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still is within the criminal prosecution period having met.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Just looking out if there is. I take back what
I said about defense attorney.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Well, well, you know, all you have to do is say, well,
actually this was a fix on account of that story.
I exaggerated a little bit because we all know that
every story, you know, we have to we have to
change a few words in there. One to stay out
of trouble. Too to make it sound a little more
interested in whatever, although they're true. And now you put
all these stories together, you were doing you were doing
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a blog, right.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, I started. The reason I even started this whole
thing was I was working for a tech company every
Pennce Cola, and I would start talking to some of
these guys and they were some of them hunters and
fishermen and stuff like that. But you start talking about
something like froug Gigin and you'd see a disturbed looking
on their face, like what And I realized is that,
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you know, we grew up in a special place, in
a special time. And it occurred to me that people
like my father and old men like Greasy Gasking and
Tommy Williams and people like that, people that weren't famous
but who had such an incredible impact, their stories were
never told and the only people to tell those stories
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are their family members and friends and stuff like that.
And I got to looking around and uh, looked at
my brothers and they ain't write anything. Now, they argued
with everything I.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Wrote in the book, it goes to show that Red
Holland was just another fisherman, but he got a TV
show exactly. He's just another guy that goes fishing. Paul
could have his own TV show because he could. We
actually talked about when we were building this range out here,
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me and Jad all the misadventures we had, say adventures,
they were all misadventures. We could have had a reality
show out here. We'd have been as big as the Dutch,
the Dutch guys because you know, all their little outtakes
and stuff they did. We're out here. You know, we
got guys rolling tractors over and getting stuff stuck and
can't figure out how to crank stuff up. And you
know it would be one of those. Okay, today, I'm
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going down here to help Greg figure out how to
crank the tractor. That always got to do is shove
a screwdriver in the sower on the line, fire right up.
I drove an hour to get here, and then his
his his response was, how'd you do that? You're just
the wrong generation son sticking a BULLETSU Yeah, yeah, sticky?
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Yeah? Yeah? People quit loaning ugh stuff, listen.
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I worked for neil Land and Timber Company for a
couple of summers and I actually sat we actually had
a staff meeting one time to remember where we had
left the old low Boy tractor or low Boy trailer
and truck tractor.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Here happens it especially people don't realize that there is
still a tremendous amount of wilderness between along the applies
called word between Chattooche there is. The further south you go,
the more wilderness there is. And there's and and people
don't realize that it wasn't but a couple of generations
ago that there were wild cows and wild hogs. And
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I remember stories my granny telling me that them the
thing they feared the most. And he grew up in
over around Chipley and Holmes Creek Swamp, and the thing
they feared the most when he was a boy was
a cow. And we don't we have a hard time
wrapping our head around that because you walk out in
a cow pasture and you might want of them, might
come up their tea and scratch him on the head
or whatever. But when you got cows in the woods,
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it's never seen a human. Think about the South African
cape buffalo. That's the attitude you're dealing with.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
My aunt man, who we were discussing in the last segment,
that was one of the things that she told me
that they still she had to deal with a lot,
and she and her sister Maretta ran from one. She
had climbed the fence to get away from a wild cow.
They climbed the fence into the domestic cow.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
In the cow. Yeah, get away for one. It whatn't
pinned up? Yeah, it's uh. And things haven't changed in
a lot of these places a lot since then. I
mean there's probably still some wild cows running around down
there in the woods. You never know.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Well, there's sure some wild hogs there. There's many of
some domestic hogs that get out and read with them.
They get kind of big. Sometimes they will run you
up a cypress tree. If you're both hunting in this one,
I can just tell you that for a fact. Yeah. Hey,
we'll be back in just a minute. We'll come back.
We'll talk about a little bit about old school deer hunting.
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Jim McClellan, author Extraordinary of All Things Apple. It's Cola River,
Ddingeck and beyond. I mean, you are you have just
because you grew up just memories. You have a professional career.
You are a professional in your chosen path, and you
in communications or I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Public relations, marketing. I started my career as a speech
writer for going to a Lawton child who was a
friend of Coon Bottom Glens by the way really.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Had Coon and the he coon walks just before.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
The I think that might have been at daddy. There
was two. There's I think there was a father's I
forget how it goes, but I look at him now
and it's the old you know, daddy's age, you know,
in the late seventies or something.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
There's a news flash where Charlie, we're old.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You're older than I am. I'm used to see. Anyway,
So back in the day coming up, because you know,
when I was growing up, I was on the farm,
but we didn't really do a whole lot of deer hunting.
I got into that as a late teenager because my
buddies were in it, and I just thought it was
cool because we grew up in the meat business and
you know, we slaughtered. Keep going out and killing wild animals.
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We're sitting there with a cooler full of cows and
hogs and stuff. Process of deer wasn't on the menu
so much. When I was there. We didn't go hungry.
But but I was reading and you brought to light
because I know the first few times I went hunting,
I don't think I had Cameron, and I think I
was wearing like a flannel shirt or something. But you
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talked more about the difference between today's trophy hunting and
what it used to be, and and tell me more
about that. Well, you know, everybody the a lot of
us didn't. We didn't get into the hunting because we
saw it in a magazine or something like that. And
I think that's what I think. That's what's going on
a lot today is it's about the gears, about the
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camo and who's got the best stuff. And I'm saying
that not to condemn any of it. I'm as guilty
of it as anybody else. But it proves one point
that I've always said in my life is marketing to
guys is very simple, especially with sporting goods or anything
like that. Guys never gonna be willing to admit I
just suck. Guys are going.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Like, you know, if I just had it a little
bit better stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It ain't quite good enough, that's right.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah, and uh yeah, well and successful fish bait never
have to catch a fish. They just have to catch
a fisher.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
That's right. That is a really good point.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, one of the things because I read this section
about the deer out in the way it was, and
that's the way I grew up. I mean if you
if you shot a spike, you were proud.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, we didn't. I tell people, we didn't know anything
about quality deer management. We knew a lot about quality
venison manasion. And uh, they're just the idea of letting
a you know, oh he was a you know, he
was only a third year buck, so I wanted to
let it. Those words were never spoken in Calhoun County
until the nineties. I guarantee no.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
If he walked out in the field, had you could see.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Because you had to. And what's what's lost in that
is and if I I tried to talk about a
little bit in the book, but we grew up stal hunting,
you know, walking through that swamp which was an open
high can.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And so what you learned as you got older, you
started shooting squirrels when you were young, and you learn
patience and then to sit down and all that kind
of stuff and then you learn. But you had to
go through years of you know, seeing that deer but
not seeing the one that's standing between you and that
deer and scaring them and then having to log that
in your memory and remember, okay, next time, I better
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look around closer before or seeing that buck and thinking
if I can just get or you know, if I
can just get over to that tree, I can get
a better shot, and having them run off and then
you file it. And that's how you develop those skills,
you know, yeah, tripping over something and realizing you know,
well I probably be better, probably able to watch my
feet too.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Just dry to day, the leaves are gonna crunch, you
know that kind of just sit down, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, and you're right in here that you know,
these these trips that people take. Now, I'm gonna go
to Kansas and kill me a trophy deer, and w
didn't do that growing up that just.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
You know, I'll say this that my sons skills some
nice deer at a tree stand and we hunt out
of tree stands and all that stuff. Now, but I've
never been more proud of him as a hunter than
when he was twelve years old and we were hunting
off the ground in the swamp, in the river swamp
right here on a on the oak Lautney River, hunting
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the river swamp. And I said, we're not We're not
playing you're we're not sitting in a stand today. And
I talked to him for two or three days before
we ever went, and it was all about how to
hunt from the ground like we used to, like you said,
like we used to hunt. And it's a lot of
slow walking and looking and a little bit of sitting
and get up and move a little more and all
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this stuff and watching him listen or you know, him
listening to me for two or three days preparing him
for this mentally and then watching him figure it out.
And he killed a deer that morning, and it was,
you know, it was a little little three point little
three point buck you know, with with five inch long
spikes maybe, and matter of fact won a game one.
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But as I tell you what legal but I'm gonna
argue with it was it was good enough for a
twelve year old boy, ye and I and of all
the deer he's killed out of a tree stand I'm
more proud of him for that one because he listened
to what I said, did exactly and we just don't
do that anymorening Like you said, we're getting old. It's
a lot of work because then you got because you're
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hunting places where you can't drive up there and load
him up in the truck. There's a whole lot of
dragon involved in that. And you know you talking about that.
I remember it being such a big deal. I remember
very well the first dough day in Florida where you
could legally kill a dough and they, you know, it
was a big deal. Man, we can legally shoot a door.
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And me and Donovan, me and my buddy Donovan went
hunting that morning in Rainbow. You know where Rainbow is
around Toria State Park. There's big ravines and stuff. Over
there is now where we were hunting with Saint Joe
Lynn is now part of Toria State Park. And I
shot a dough that morning and it slid all the
way to the bottom of one of them two hundred
foot tall ravines, and it took us the rest of
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the day to get that thing to the hill to
the road and then a mile to where we had
to part you know, but that's one of those core memories.
I will never forget that hunt. Of all the deer
I've killed and stuff I got on the wall or whatever,
I'll never forget that hunt till i'm you know, till
I don't remember anything. I guess because it was just
one of those things where you, you know, and trying
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to trying to put that stuff into words and into
writing to get people to understand what a big deal
that was. Is a gift that you have, I guess.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
You know, well, it.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Was hard.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
It was hard to do that and try to express
it in a way that people can understand. So one
of the things you wrote about, and I just saw
Fred turn to that page a minute ago. That struck
me because there's an old Johnson outboard motor in our
barn at the house that belonged to my daddy. We've
talked about, you know, we have talked about Johnson outboards
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and all those things and old outboards, and you tell
the story about was it your uncle. Yeah, my uncle
Billy was a He was a savant when it came
to anything mechanical.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Fred's savant. But there's a word before the savannes. I
think it's idiot. So so you you had you, I
believe if I recall the story, because your daddy gave
you the motor.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Right, yeah, it was yeah he had Uh, I think
it was my uncle James Neils and Daddy ended up
with it anyway, and he didn't think I was going
to do anything with it, and he said, sure you
have it.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So so what all did you put into that? You told? You?
Tell the story? Tell me.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
When I was eleven years old, and so I went
over to Uncle Billy and I said, because he had
been an outboard motor mechanic, he'd raced. Uh, he was
a boat racer for Mercury. When they would get a
bunch of fifty horse Mercuries in brand new and take
the pistons out and wear them and put the calipers
on this around them to find the ones that matched
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most closely to I mean, they would they would build
up because you had to, you know, you had to
you had a horse power class, and uh, they would
do it pulling skiers and stuff like that. But he
was a fantastic outboard motor mechanic. And so I went
to him and said, Daddy said I could have this
old motor. Do you think we can get it running again?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
So he drove it. He was on the tugboat, right. Yeah,
you went and ordered the parts, apparently without your daddy's permission.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, uncle Billy wrote down. We took that thing apart.
I mean we went apart by part. And he said, now, look,
you're gonna I wanna be on the tugboat and you
gotta take all these parts and scrub them down in
diesel fuel. And he said, I'm gonna make a list,
take it down to the Chevrolet place, which is where
the loss of the Johnson place. And uh he said,
you check, you check with you daddy, make sure he's
okay with it, and I'll order those uh order those parts,
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and then when I get back, we'll put it together. Well,
I ain't want to take a chance on asking Daddy
about that, so yeah, and uh so I told Uncle
Billy that. I said, yeah, Daddy said that was okay.
And so Uncle Billy ordered the parts. And I was
thinking I had until you know, the parts came in
to you to uh deal.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
We get them paid for. It turns out I didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You have those plaining, but you've got to function the
motor out of it. In the end, I did, and
a lot of memories I did.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And do you still have the motor?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Uh, my father got me back by giving it away.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Uh. And there you go. They'll do that.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
But we got one more segment. We're gonna come back.
We're gonna get with with Captain Paul. We won't talk
a little bit about fishing, and we'll be back this minute.
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She said something, Daddy, I didn't know what the pigly
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wiggly was until today. And I said what I said,
it's a grocery. It's like it's like an old school
grocery store. I mean it's a grocery store. And she goes, well,
I said, we used to be everywhere, and I think
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Still there's something down out on what it is? Something else?
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Okay, all right, I said, well, she goes I said, well,
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It's she's still getting used to being in Marianna from
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So Paul house fishing going, Man.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
It's been unbelieved. I just sent y'all picture. I had
a lady to catch a ten pounder Monday.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
It was awesome.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
There was from Baytown, uh.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Is that Texas, Texas?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Baytown, Texas, south of Easton.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Fish camps on They fished out of Tleeda.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
Ben Sam Raver when they first opened them up, and
he was telling me all kinds of stories and I
told him for it came, I said, you watch one
out fish and he said, he said, all right, as
usually she does, and she, boy.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
She did that day. He called it. It was an
awesome ja.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
The only thing bigger than that fish in that picture
right there is her smile.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
That was extremely happy.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Oh how big was that fish? Wo?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
See? Jim said they threw them back. Of course, you
throw them back to different is.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
We took pictures and put it right back, so it
did pre produced.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I think gent Paul has the fish trained. They're teame fish.
He knows them, he has them name. That was Betsy
right there. That's what happens is he goes up there
and he goes, Okay, well how much you paid me toak? Okay,
I'm gonna take you that special spot. I got four
or five you can catch over here. Just got to
get him back in the water. Went in a few seconds.
So I've always suspected that he probably slips a snack
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in their mouth as soon as he puts them back
in there. But we had I think he has GPS
tracking on in.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
Your book that y'all down there didn't eat crappy.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Now up here on the lake Seminole people tend to
like crappy morning, like brown or shell crackers, just the opted.
I find that very interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Well, there was a couple of things about that.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
One is, if you had a lot of times the
crappy or specled purse, well they'd be twice as big
as brims. There was problem number one. Got a bunch
of brim and you're getting ready you cook them now
you got one one most speed purses, you know twice
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that big.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I ain't eating that. It's too big where you find
him whole?
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Yeah, you know you gotta you gotta cut them or
flay him or something something.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
I'm so big disciplined and we just flay them.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Well that we never ran it. That part never occurred
to us. But uh, the size of the fish does.
My brother Hens would catch a whole bunch of fish
and he would we eat out. He had live well
and he sit there and weed out until he had
eighteen hen sized Brent, And.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
That's what he wanted.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
That's what he wanted. That was enough for him and
his wife. And his wife liked cold next day, so
that was enough to beat both of them. But a
lot of people did. I probably overplayed it in that
story a little bit, but the bottom line was people
like my grandfather and my father and all, they liked
brim and shell cracker and all a lot. Now they
did anything else. They throw back warm mouth, stunt knickers.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
Woun't the world record shell cracker out of Merrit's mill
pond that feeds into the tripola.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Not currently. It was somebody up in the Midwest.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I think that was Joey Floyd comes out held that
record for a.
Speaker 7 (44:40):
While yeah, yeah, because you know right now, this is
the earliest I've seen this many bassm of shallow you know,
it's like April weather in February. Now, just one of
the timas the show is, it's going to cut it
off a little bit. But really been more in bassat
moves shallow bed and so have the crappie. But I
them jokers. I had a thought I found another day
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j D. I had like there must have been two
thousand went down there the next day. I had to
mend as already and put these people on the fish
guy down there and caught one catfish. They were gone
the next morning. Scramble around, try to catch and we
end up catching something.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
But god, there was a bunch of them.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
I want to do that. I actually want to go
out with somebody news how to catch crappy and catch them.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
You're sitting next to him now.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
A couple of weeks ago, when it was colder, it
was stupid good catching big ones out suspended over deep water.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
But now that's warmed up, they all hit the hill,
you know what I mean. But we use live scope.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Have you ever done that, I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
I've never done That's that's cheating.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
That's cheating.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
It is so I'm looking at your book here on
the red fish, and it appears that you're blaming the
Cajuns for the shortage of redfish.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Paul Prudon is to blame for that.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
That's the that's the uh, that's the caguen I blame
for it?
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Is it? I hadn't read the book, but I'm assuming
you you blame Paul Prudon. Well, it's true. I mean,
it is true. Nobody cooked red fish. It was trash fish.
They threw them back until Paul Prudon came up with
black and red fish recipe. That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
They keep them like any other drum. It's not like
there's anything special about him.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
He came that.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Black and red fish recipe, and all of a sudden
everybody had to have them.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Speaking of Cajuns, you know what what you call a
here we go, ready? You know what you called a
fat Cagun? That lies a lot a jumbo laheez.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
What month did you start seeing brim bed on the
river and the shell cracker? Does the shell cracker bed
for the brim or is it about the same time?
Speaker 5 (46:52):
What do you see down.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
There seems like me sholl cracker bed earlier brim. Finding
the beds kind of hard. You find the shell cracker bit.
You get up in the willows and you or if
you're smart, you wait till low water and run and
look and see where they've been bedding, and then come
back right fishing and high water.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
But jim, here a gig catfish down there on those
shallow you're talking about those shallow shoals where you tore
the tore the motor up when those catfish getting running
in there, and get out there and wait out there
when it gig them.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
I have never gigged a catfish, but only because I
didn't have a cat I didn't see the catfish while
I had a gig.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Yeah, okay, Well I know some guys that actually go
down there and find those when the river flattens out
down there and gets those big shallow sandbar shoals, and
they'll waite out there on the full moon and gig catfish.
I know some guys that used to do that prey regular.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
I started to go gig flounder one time like that,
and we got up in Roger Williams and I for
his boat ran up and then we got out and
started wading up to the sandbar, and we kept hereshish,
couldn't figure out what it was shining the light up there,
And about every twenty five thirty feet along the shallow
water up there was either a water snake or a
(48:02):
cotton mouth sitting there.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Waiting on a bunch of bay fish right not in
the shell.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
And then the little bit bigger fish would come up there,
and the snakes were so Roger and I turned around
and walked right on back and got back in his boat,
went right back to the land.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
We used to. Uh. I've I've told people this and
they just call me a liar, but we've caught a
lot of flounder bass fishing all the way up by
the dam, near the dam, on the sand bars and stuff.
I've caught him as far north as between the Niny
Bridge and the dam. I have caught probably in my life,
probably ten or twelve flounders, and then some downstream around
(48:40):
the old Port Authority down there.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
You know, you'll probably have talked about this before, but
you know what else is up there?
Speaker 4 (48:45):
Uh? You know my bull sharks.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, yeah, you've seen one.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yes, gator hunting one night one, and I had no
idea they were up there. To the guys, I was with,
what in the hell's that bullshark? Probably yeah, and I said, whoa,
all the things I've ever worried about. Yeah, I never
worried about shark.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
I've never I've never seen one, but I know guys
that have caught him down around Aspalaga Landing. One of
my best friends caught a tarpain at the discharge and
go power discharge just below the Trustle there in Chattoho.
She caught a juvenile tarpain bass fishing. So, yeah, you're
you're one hundred and twelve miles or so, one hundred
(49:32):
and ten miles one hundred miles north and all over
the world bull sharks run way further than that, upstream
and up up the rivers and stuff.
Speaker 7 (49:40):
So yeah, I had a gig and experience one time,
and it made me stop gigging about long time ago.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
A long time ago, we was out trying.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
A gig for catfish.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
He just changed what kind of fish it was.
Speaker 7 (49:55):
And I said, and they kept missing. I said, give
me that, dada, give so I said, there's one. So
I got that thing up and drave that gig down,
broke the gig. It broke it and half hit it
so hard and come floating up with an eight pound bass. Oh,
it was laying its belly in the mud and for
sticking out.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
It was an accident, Paul, it happened, explain that I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (50:19):
I would never do that.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
Well, that's kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I would never see. I've heard that on the traffic saws.
I would never do that.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
I didn't. Does protest too much? Exactly what I was.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
About to.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Never thinking again, I'm done. I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
I mean thinks thou dost protest too much?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
There's general intent and there's specific intent. You're gonna need
to worry about that one.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
You ever heard of a jim? You ever heard of
a fish gun? Twenty five thirty five Winchester.
Speaker 7 (50:49):
I had a guy on my boat one time when
we couldn't catch a bendfish. He pulled three seven shot
at him.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
All so real quick.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
He's he's got a section about shooting fish in here. Yeah,
and so I'm wondering, you know, page forty. So what
I'm wondering is these fish you had to shoot off
the tritline. Are those black drunk?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
No that was a bof end as much gosh, I
hate that we're winding down here, so SOIM your book's available.
I know it's available on Amazon, right.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, it was the five hundred and ninety fifth best
seller in the Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Well that's say it's specific, all right, but y'all can
find that their or is your local CBS will be
see y'all next time.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
I thank you
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