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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Welcome in.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Hope your Saturday is off to a fantastic start. We
have lots to talk about, We have lots to discuss.
I'll tell you what I I just cannot start this
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
I just can't.

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(01:10):
how we feeling today? Everything good?

Speaker 5 (01:12):
Feeling good, and got Easter Sunday looming in the near distance.
The Bunny's gonna drop off baskets and hide eggs at
the Ormberger casa. So we are uh, we're look, I mean,
we're not gonna set out bunny traps this year.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
We did that last year and bunny traps, no.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Kidding, you know what, We actually do that on Saint
Patrick's Day for those darn leprechauns who always up end
chairs and cause mischief.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
We haven't called a leprechaun yet.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
We haven't, we haven't done it. But the bunnies they're
good to us, so we let them go. They freelance,
and then they leave and then they fill out their
ten nineties.

Speaker 6 (01:48):
Oh wow, this is he's he's running like a whole
racketeering operation over there.

Speaker 7 (01:52):
We got it.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
We might have to call the IRS. Taxes will do
a few days ago. Bruh, Brian, I don't know what's
going on over there in the Ormburger household.

Speaker 7 (01:59):
I've got one.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
He's there.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
He's on the couch right now. He's hanging out, he's sleeping.
That's the only bunny out there.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
You go this weekend, jack butt, jackpot, the easter bunny
right there.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Yeah, no doubt. I'll tell you what, Jared.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
We've done a show long enough where I can just
picture Rich all In on the hiding of the.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I'm sure he is like, Oh, that's I haven't used
that spot yet. They have no chance with this.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
Kids like a big underneath.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I don't know what you guys are talking about. That's
a that's the bunnies job. Like I said, that's taxable.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
I could see you dressing up as the Easter Bunny.
I could totally see that. And I and also I
think I I think I remember clips from Christmas you
dressed up as Santa Claus.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Right that that was many, many years ago. I was
just one of his many helpers. There's very many helpers.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Yeah, Actually, during my time in New England, when I
was with the Patriots, there was there was a Christmas
party and they didn't have a Santa. I think the
Santa honestly didn't show up. But a place that they
rented actually had a Santa costume. And so I pulled
out this old musty red costume out of this bin

(03:09):
that had been locked up forever and I put this
thing on and some of the kids sat on my
lap and they're like, you stink.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I'm like, I know, I apologize.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
It's like bad Santa the movie, you know, like Billy
Thornton Thing movie.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
Great movie.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
All right, So I know you guys are fired up
for the NFL Draft. It is getting closer and closer.
We'll get knee deep into the NBA playoffs and plenty
other topics going on here. Will give Lee Corso his
shout out and his flowers that he richly deserves. We'll
get to all those things, but we start with the
draft here today. And I was thinking about this. The

(03:49):
real intrigue is Shadre Sanders. Right, where is he gonna go?
When is he going to go? How does that unfold?
Which teams pass him up, which team drafts him? Does
anybody move up? And like, it's Shadeur Sanders that is
I think the rock star of the intrigue of this draft.
If you put that to the side, because we've talked

(04:11):
about that every which way, what becomes the most interesting
storyline outside of that in your mind? For me personally,
I think it's Ashton Genty Just when does he go? Also,
where does he go? But he's a top five talent?
Does he go in the top five? Is he a
top ten guy?

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Like?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Where does Ashton Genty go? If we put Shador to
the side, that personally for me, that's what I'm most
interested in. Rich you what's on your list outside of Shador.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
I was gonna agree with you and say Ashton Genty
and and for no other reason other than among the
players that I got to watch this college football season
on the call in the booth, I watched Ashton Genty
live and he's untackleable. And I want to see if
that capability, if that ability person set the NFL level,

(05:01):
because if it does, he is going to be the
next special talent at the running back position in the NFL.
And we know since defenses are defending the pass and
they should, we're seeing running backs like Derrick Henry look
rejuvenated now. Saquon Barkley, who had some injuries and some
toil when he was stuck in New York, and it

(05:21):
did feel like he was kind of stuck in New York,
just won a Super Bowl and toting the Rock the
way he did through the playoffs. But another player that
I think is probably not getting enough praise for what
he was able to do over his college career because
his college career ended somewhat unceremoniously, as cam Ward. I

(05:42):
think he's a really talented quarterback he is a really
veteran quarterback. This guy played in fifty plus games. He
can attack you at all three levels of the defense,
and he showed great ability there. He's athletic enough to
escape pressure and extend plays. Talent evaluators have said that,

(06:05):
you know, this guy gets it. He's a fast processor,
at least in the classroom. You can see sometimes on
the field he held onto the ball a little too long,
and that's definitely something that good coaching can help you with.
And I don't know the level of coaching he was
receiving at the college level, but if he's linked with
the right team, he could have an offensive coordinator fix

(06:28):
of some of those ills at the next level. I
think he's a prospect who, even though he'll be taken
high in this draft, I think because of Shador Sanders
and the giant shadow that he casts over the rest
of these prospects, I think cam Ward is probably underrated
in the public eye.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
I mean there's some people who think Ward, you know,
he's the guy at one and everyone everyone kind of
agrees on that right now, and we'll see how Tennessee
handles it. They've had some issues on the offensive side
of the ball, I think the biggest there, Like, there's
really three locks of the draft and it's the top three,
and outside of that.

Speaker 7 (07:07):
I think that's where things get very interesting.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
I was also at Ashton Genty in person here at
UNLV for that game last year.

Speaker 7 (07:15):
Fantastic talent.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
It would be ironic if he does end up in
Vegas after playing one of his games in Vegas at
Allegiance Stadium this year. That seems to be the prevailing
thought is the Raiders.

Speaker 7 (07:27):
It was interesting. I caught a lot of spy.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
Tech the New GM and Pete Carroll's pre draft interview yesterday,
and they obviously asked about Genti. And if you don't
think the GMS and the scouts and the coaches are
looking at all the media mock drafts, they absolutely are.
For two reasons. One it's it's interesting fodder. Two, they're
trying to get a sense of what the other teams
are gonna do, and they want and all, well, everyone

(07:51):
thinks this guy's going here, so maybe we get him.
So they're they're doing the same scheming, plotting that we
are trying to bet on this stuff, trying to figure
out who's going where. It looks like the draft starts
at four. I think the Patriots are gonna take alignment
of tackle to protect May. They have two choices, either
the kid from LSU or the kid from Missouri. The

(08:11):
reason I think it's gonna be the kid from LSU
he's actually a left tackle, where the other kid, Memboo,
is kind of a right He played mostly right tackle
in college, and they think because of his projections, he
might be able to switch to left tackle. But it
feels like one two three with our guy Carter going
three to the Giants is very set and Travis Hunter
going two to the Browns. Yeah, the quarterback situation is
always the most intriguing And answer your original question, B know,

(08:33):
like I took a number on New Orleans a draft
to QB at nine at plus two ten before the
Derek Carr news.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Now that's been flipped.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
I'm not one hundred percent sure that's where he's gonna
go because the quarterback situation is always interesting.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
Like how desperate is Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
I've seen our guy Jeff Schwartz just mock up the
Steelers to jump.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
New Orleans and take your door in the top ten.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
I don't know if they have the Ammo to get
into the top ten all the way back from the
low twenties. But obviously Shador Sanders goes, and how teams
gray Jackson Dart and Jalen Milroe being the ultimate wild card.
I think those are the most intriguing questions in this draft.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
The price tag has gone up over the years, but
I think back to Mahomes, Like the Chiefs moved up
from twenty seven to ten to get Homes, so that'd
be a an even lesser jump right for the Steelers
to get up there from twenty one to eight. So
keep that in mind, use that for what it's worth.
But man, I'm still stuck on genty because run. Yeah,

(09:35):
it's a deep running back draft, and I just wonder,
you know, if a team there could be a team
that says, yeah, he's special, but like the Raiders, our
offensive line isn't great, and so we're gonna grab our
running back a little bit later in the draft because
it's such a rich, you know, position here. But then
you also think of the team that right after this

(09:57):
is the draft, right after Saquon Barkley's enormous season, and
the last football game we saw was the Super Bowl
and his playoff run and all that stuff. Dereck Henry
had a monster season. So maybe there's a team that
gets running back, you know, starstruck, and they see this
rockstar and genty they take him pretty high. That's the

(10:19):
other thing is I think we can we're in store
for some surprises in the first round because if you
pay attention from team to team what they say about players,
it varies so much. I really don't remember it draft
where the opinions on first round players have varied as
much as they have, because there are some teams that

(10:40):
are like, oh man, Shaduura's got the goods, and other
teams are like, yeah, don't see it. It's like, wow,
there's a big gap between the two. There's one head
coach he said that he thinks Tyler Schuck is the
best quarterback in this draft.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
That's that the quote is.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Better than cam Ward. He's not a better prospect, but
he could be a better pro Think got many times
ye quarterbacks drafted lower or not at all, and they
turn out to be better than the high draft pick.
So it's possible. I just think that the opinions differ
so much, we could be in store for some team
that just says, yeah, I disagree with all these mock drafts.

(11:18):
We think this guy is the player, and we're just like, whoa,
we didn't see that coming. That could absolutely happen in
the first round.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Well, and that goes back to maybe not an adage,
but something that since the draft has really caught fire
and taken precedent in the sports viewing public's mind because
of the broadcast they do and some of the hype
around these things. The adage is you can't trust anything
you hear right now.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
You really can't.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
I mean, for the month and a half over the
course of the six weeks leading up to the NFL Draft,
there's a lot of smoke screens. There's a lot of
things that information departments within these teams are going to leak,
or i should say front offices specifically, are going to

(12:07):
leak to the media members that they trust the most,
not to say who they heard it from. And then
these stories are going to go viral and maybe it
only hits the news cycle for twenty four hours, maybe
it's a red meat talking point for a week long process.
Like I remember at the very very very beginning of

(12:27):
the draft buzz. You remember how we heard that story
that ooh, certain teams are really turned off from Shadoor
Sanders because of his father. You remember that, like and
it almost like you could have written that story before
it came out. You knew at some point Dion's name
was going to get dragged alongside shad Or Sanders.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
And I don't know who put it out.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
We'll never know who put it out, but somebody put
it out there because they wanted to see if there
was going to be any strong reaction to it. One
of those teams up at the top of the draft,
are they going to get more phone calls? Because there's
a general manager further down the board who thinks, hey,
maybe that is the Raiders who are a little nervous
about this, And let's.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Just see if they're interested in a in a pick swap.
Let's see what capital.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
I would need to move because we could use the
Shador Sanders on our roster. You know, It's it's interesting
when those stories come out.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Why they come out.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
I always ask myself, why am I reading this right now?
Is it just because somebody was kind enough to share
that information with and did so anonymously with a member
of the media, just so that we could all be
entertained and read it for our enjoyment.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
The answer is absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
There's a reason why you're reading every single thing, and
unless it's an attributed quote like Ashtenti back to your
point Brian sending out a letter to every single one
of the thirty two NFL teams saying if you want
to win at the next letter, or if you want
to win this upcoming season and you want a player
like Sakwon Barkley on your roster, draft me, well, then
you can't trust the source because it has to be

(14:03):
attributed to somebody. It has to come from a first
person source for you to be able to trust it.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
This could be one of those drafts where we see
a lot of movement and we don't know what direction
it's heading in, because frankly, every draft could go that
way because we don't have a beat on it until
players and prospects start coming off the board.

Speaker 8 (14:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
No, there's there's nothing that I believe over the last
week or two. The way that I approach the draft
is I do my work in terms of what the
teams are looking at, and I try to ignore anything
that I hear.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
In this little bubble of time like the last couple
of weeks, because.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
Teams are just trying to put stuff out there, and
they so from my experience covering this now, this is
my sixth draft that I've bet on, and obviously we've
watched the draft for years. When when I've been betting
on the draft and I put my dollars on the line,
I put a little extra A little extra discernment is
the word I like to use into what the information

(15:02):
that I like to go off of. And I just
go off of what the teams have historically done and
the positions that are premium, and obviously quarterbacks of premium position,
but the way that the quarterbacks are grated, like it's
just you just know who's going to be in the
top there, Like I would be shocked. I would be

(15:22):
shocked if Tyler Schuck goes anywhere in the top twenty.
That would be a very shocking development. Jalen Milroe is
the only name that I could see going earlier than
expected because of the upside that he provides.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
And this is based, to be fair, off of my
grades of the quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
I'm not basing this off of what the GMS do
I really, I mean, I'd be really surprised if there
was more than three quarterbacks in the first round of
this draft. I mean, obviously there's one at the top,
and then there's Sanders, and.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
Then there's the wildcard.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
You know, and last year the quarterbacks went very early,
so it is very fair to push back with, well,
these quarterbacks tend to get taken earlier. I get that,
But I think the Tyler Shuck thing is I would
be very surprised. Mil Roe is the one name that
could upset the apple cart. If there's a if there's
a GM that falls in love with his athleticism, just
like a just like Ballard fell in love with Anthony Richardson,

(16:14):
then you could see a team reaching for him. Jackson
Dart I haven't heard. I've heard very mixed. I've heard
a couple guys that really like the first round. But
I think for the most part, he's a he's a
second round. He's probably a second round or you know,
late first round, like maybe a team trades back up
into the end of the first round to get that
extra year of contract control. But man, I don't I

(16:37):
don't see shut going in the first round. That would
be very that would be a whoa kind of moment.
A team I think would really have to fall in
love with him. But to your original point, b No,
the Saqua Barkley effect is real, and I think the
brock Bauers effect is also real.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
With our guy Tyler Warren and Colston Lovelin.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
I think Warren right now, I mean, imagine a top
ten picking for a tight end is rare, but I
think it's gonna happen this year.

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(18:19):
it's time to rip the band aid off this Aaron
Rodgers stuff. My lord, holy cow. All right, So Rogers
was on with I think that's where we're at at
this point.

Speaker 9 (18:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Rogers was on with Pat McAfee on Thursday, and these
were his first public comments since being released by the Jets.
And listen. The first sound you'll hear is a little
bit lengthy. It's over a minute. That's that's pretty long
for a sports radio cut, you know. But he's detailing

(18:52):
an in person meeting with the Jets and, most notably
the new head coach, Aaron Glenn. Okay, so let's just
say this is completely true. My whole thing is why
does Aaron Rodgers explain this whole story and then have
the position that he has afterwards. So let's start with this.
This was the first story that he told on Pat

(19:14):
McAfee's show about meeting with Aaron Glenn and the Jets
right before he was released.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
I think we're going to have this long conversation.

Speaker 10 (19:21):
I've flown across the country and twenty seconds in he goes,
I mean literally, I'm talking to the GM about something,
and he leans to the edge of his sheet and goes,
should you want to play football?

Speaker 8 (19:34):
I was like, yeah, I'm interested.

Speaker 10 (19:36):
And he said we're going a different direction in quarterback
and I was kind of shocked. Now, not shocked because
I didn't think that was a possibility. Listen, of course
they want to move on, that's totally fine, but shocked
because I just flew across the country.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
You could have told me this on the.

Speaker 10 (19:48):
Phone if we'ren't even to have a conversation, and this
has verbade him exactly how it happened. So I said, huh,
and he goes, we just want to know how you
want it released the messaging and I said, verbatim, I
don't give a shit about the message And I said
why And then he said, I don't want to be

(20:08):
up in front of the room saying something and have
guys looking back at you.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
And I said, what does that even mean?

Speaker 10 (20:15):
Are you assuming that I would be in the back
of the room during the team meeting, undermining what you're saying.
I said, you don't know me, and he said you
don't know me, and then I said exactly, which is
why I flew across the country to have a face
to face meeting with you, to talk about my experience
with the Jets and to hear your vision for the team.

(20:37):
Twenty seconds in, what I thought was going to be
a couple hour meeting turned into like a fifteen minute
meeting and I walked out of there.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Okay, all right, So that's the story with According to Rogers,
when he sat down with Aaron Glenn and the Jets,
they twenty seconds in were like, yeah, we don't want you. Okay.
So there's that. There's that. But he also says in
the same interview after all this with the Jets, and
there's an offer on the table with the Steelers they
want them as their quarterback. Rogers also said this, which

(21:08):
blew my mind.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
I'm open to anything and attached to nothing.

Speaker 10 (21:13):
So so, yeah, retirement still could be a possibility.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Okay, That's where I'm at, because if you have this
experience with the Jets and you're not like spitting fire, like,
I have real questions about where you're at. I don't
want peaceful Rogers. I don't want calm Rogers. I don't
want zen Rogers. I want fire breathing Rogers.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Right.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
I just think what if this happened to Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
What if Tom Brady flew across the country met with
the team twenty seconds in they're like, yeah, we don't
want you, and he has all that going on the
back and forth with the new head coach, and then
he has a legit offer on the table with another team.
You think that he's going on Pat McAfee's show openly
talking about retirement.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
No way.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
And that's where I'm at, Like, if you're openly talking
about retiring, you might as well just go ahead and retire, dude.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
I just at this point, there's just.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
A lack of fire. I got no sense of fire,
and I can't wait to prove this team wrong, in
this head coach wrong. But he's just like, yeah, you know,
I might just walk away. Then walk away. I don't
know what to tell you.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
At this point.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
I like Aaron Rodgers, and I know that's a controversial
statement because a lot of people are frustrated by him.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
But I like him because.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
I really do think he tries to be as honest
and as authentic as possible. Now, like, I don't agree
with every single thing he says, but I do like
the fact that we know what he's thinking. I think
there's so much subtext to what people say and even
sometimes what they do in you know, in the terms

(22:55):
of celebrities or famous athletes, that it's really different to
trust what you're hearing. I think Aaron Rodgers is the
closest to the type of person who you could actually
trust what he's saying. I really do believe when he
says something that that's what he believes in that moment,
and it can change, just like any of us, Like

(23:16):
my opinions on things change all the time. I'm not
locked into my ideas because sometimes with new information, my
ideas will change with that information. I think that's where
Rogers is at, like many of us would be. You know,
it's oftentimes we look at football as just a job,
and it's not. I played this sport since I was

(23:36):
a kid. I remember falling in love with it in
high school. I played it in college at Penn State.
I was drafted by the Patriots. That was among one
of the proudest moments of my life. I will never
forget that moment alongside of my wife birthing our beautiful
two boys. I mean, draft day and our wedding day.

(23:56):
Of course, draft day is in the top five.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
You know, So you fall in love with this sport.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
This is a relationship you have with this sport, and
when it's time to say goodbye to the sport, it's
really hard to do it, and it takes sometimes years
to make that decision. And I think we're just hearing
authentically a guy who is battling that battle, and he's
been doing it at.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
A very high level for a very long time.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
And I'm sure he was pretty gunned up to get
back to work with the New York Jets at one
point or another or maybe upon taking that meeting with
the general manager and new head coach Aaron Glenn, he
was feeling like, Okay, they're flying me out there to
kick the tires on me, and you know, we're going
to talk about the plan for the upcoming season, and
it went completely differently. Again, if we're believing what he's

(24:48):
saying and we're taking it at face value and we're
understanding that what he's saying is exactly what happened, and
then getting kicked in the shins like that, and then
hearing that you're going to potentially have to sign with
the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Vikings don't want you, all
of a sudden, that little voice in the back of
your head like hey Aaron, maybe we should hang it up,

(25:08):
Hey Aaron, maybe we should retire. It comes back and
it's just haunting you in the background of this decision
whether or not you want to play this upcoming season
or not. I totally get where he's at. And like
I said, do I agree with every word that comes
out of Aaron Rodgers' mouth all the time? No, nor
do I agree with the words that come out of
anybody's mouth all the time. But what I will say

(25:28):
this is I think he's being authentic. I think he
is taking us deeper inside the process here with a
super famous athlete than we've ever been with virtually anybody,
and I kind of appreciate it. So, like you said,
you need the buy in to be extremely high, I'm
telling you, Brian, for a lot of aging veterans in

(25:48):
this sport, especially where this sport does take a lot
from you as the years go on, I think it's
there's some courage in this level of honesty.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
Yeah, he's definitely open. I don't know how it comes off.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
As hypocritical because so I was doing some research in
this fan account and j Matt NYJ Matt found a
screenshot of tweet from Aaron Rodgers dated April fourteen, twenty thirteen,
where he said meeting in person greater than phone call.

Speaker 7 (26:20):
Always. He can't make it up.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
He just can't make it up that he and listen,
do I remember everything I tweeted from twelve years ago?
And does it align perfectly with what I believe today? No? Obviously,
you know your feelings evolve, and you know who you
are twelve years ago is not the same person you
are today. So it's fair that Aaron's changed his mind
on this topic. But let's be like, the one thing

(26:43):
Aaron's been consistent about is wanting to spotlight, and that
is what is happening here. I don't think he's going
to make a decision before the draft. I don't know
how much it has to do with what he's saying,
which is the process and all this, and he doesn't
want to get pennixed like Kirk Cousins did last year.
Like if you decide that, oh, I'm gonna go sign

(27:03):
with Pittsburgh and then the Steelers do what our buddy
Jeff Schwartz thinks they're gonna.

Speaker 7 (27:07):
Do and trade up and can't get you Dor Sanders, well.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
That makes the decision a little bit less exciting.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
So I relate to that.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Part of Aaron's decision making process. It doesn't if the
Steelers aren't saying you have to tell us now before
the draft, if they're giving him the rope to kind of,
you know, the leash to kind of wait on this
and mull it over, I absolutely would wait until after
the draft. It makes no sense for Aaron to make

(27:39):
the decision before the draft. For the Steelers, it makes
a ton of sense, because if you know you've got
Aaron Rodgers in your back pocket, well, I'll be honest,
Pittsburgh's roster all of a sudden has a ton of holes.
And it's not just the quarterback position. Cam Hayward's turning
thirty six this year. He's due a ton of money.
They could use help on the defensive line, obviously. I
know the dk Metcalf thing is intriguing, but I think

(27:59):
they're there is a lot of There are a lot
of holes on this roster and it would be nice
for the Steelers to know if Aaron Rodgers in their
back pocket going into the draft.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
They picked twenty first next Thursday, But.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
It makes no sense, Like if I'm Aaron, I I'm
not making decision before then.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
The whole meeting should have been an email thing.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
If I'm getting broken up with, I would prefer it
to be face to face. That's just me and the
whole company dime thing on my own dot. Come on, dude,
you're a freaking multi millionaire. You can't afford across country flight.
Like again, that's just my preference. Though I'm not Aaron.
I don't know if he would have preferred and a call.

(28:38):
But my guess is if the Jets would have called
him instead, McAfee's interview would have been, well, well, I
wish I should have gotten a face to face like
I should.

Speaker 7 (28:48):
I deserve to face to face.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
So it just seems like this is the spotlight that
Aaron wants and he's getting it.

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(29:16):
the first part for me is you can't win with Rogers.
Just like Jared explained. If this is on the phone,
yet we're moving on in a different direction. They couldn't
even meet with me in person. They meet with him
in person. You couldn't just tell me that on.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
The phone on my own dime.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
It's such a deva mindset where Aaron Rodgers acts like
he's still an underwear model when he's really more like
a hand model at this stage. Right, Like the Vikings
aren't racing to sign him. The Jets just kicked him
to the curb. The Steelers are the best offer he
has by far, right now, maybe the best offer he's

(29:52):
gonna have, And he just doesn't want to look at
it that way, even though that's the reality and it's unfortunate. Man,
it's just sad. It reminds me of the movie Casino. Also,
you remember when Sharon Stone gets thrown out of the
restaurant by Joe Pesci and she's in the parking lot
and she's just yelling and screaming and pet She's like, okay, yeah,

(30:14):
all right, yeah. I think that's the reaction most people
have when Rogers does these interviews, where it's like, within
ten twenty seconds, it's like, okay, cool, yeah, I'm open
to anything and attached to nothing. So it's like, okay, cool, right, yeah, yeah,
we're just this Tuesday night, We're both not doing anything.

Speaker 7 (30:37):
We're like open. Whatever you say, goes, babe, come on,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I just that's like a movie line.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Someone had to feed him that line, Brian, I think
you're having a very similar reaction that a lot of
people have to Aaron Rodgers quotes that end up going
viral or picking up steam. And it does seem that,
especially as of lately, and I mean like over the
last half decade, Aaron Rodgers when the NFL Draft comes around,

(31:08):
his name is pumped out there like crazy. You know,
you remember when he was trying to divorce himself from
the Green Bay Packers and get traded somewhere the NFL draft.
It kind of felt like that's where the hard line
was drawn, and it's it's.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
I get how this feels very played and this feels
like up Yeah, same old stuff, just really ethereal strange
comments coming from a guy who loves the spotlight. But
but you know, again going back to what I was saying,
I understand that it's frustrating listening to a guy sort
of pour his heart out, you know, about his circumstance.

(31:48):
But if you really, if you really think about the
why of it all, like why.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Are we hearing this? I think there's two reasons.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
I think one, he's trying to stir the pot to
see if there's any willing suitors out there still to
let them know a that the current offers on the table.
Whoever you are, right, whether it's the Steelers or there's
a secret team that nobody knows about yet that Aaron
and his team knows about. He's not interested to the

(32:16):
point where he's saying, I'd rather potentially retire than play
with any of you who already have a document on
the table with me. And what he's saying is, but
I'm still open for business. So I'm attached to nothing.
I'm open to everything. It's literally saying, hey, the shop
door is open. Okay, we have limited hours on the weekends,

(32:37):
so be careful what time you call.

Speaker 7 (32:39):
But give me a phone call and let's have a talk.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
You know.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
So if you're the Raiders and you know you're or
I guess they just signed Geno Smith. But if you're
a quarterback needy team who's not so sure what they're
going to do in the draft, and you want to
have a conversation and I think I'm a good fit
in your system.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Hey, I'm attached to nothing. Let's do business.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
And I think that's the why behind what he said
there and the reason why he divulged.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
So much there on Pat McAfee's show.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
So my mom used to have a saying, So, my
mom come from a Jewish family, very Yiddish background.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
When it comes to some of their weird equips.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
My mom used to have a saying, shout out, mom,
if you're listening, it's like a high colonic and it's like,
you know, when you have to get a colonoscopy, Like
you know, anytime we would go through something that was,
you know, a little bit upsetting, she'd be like, Oh,
it's like a having a high colonic. That's what listening
to Aaron Rodgers and Pat McAfee's interviews like, it just
it just it's the same story over and over again,

(33:35):
and it makes you queasy.

Speaker 7 (33:37):
And he's gonna end up somewhere he's not.

Speaker 6 (33:39):
I think he's gonna play next year because there's gonna
be a team that's gonna get desperate and that's gonna
want to bring him in.

Speaker 7 (33:46):
But I I like what you said originally.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
Brian, he got fired by the Jets. I've been fired before.
We're all been fired before at some point in our lives.
If your initial reaction after getting fired is not, I'm
going to prove them so wrong that they are going
to regret firing me. That is the attitude of a winner.

(34:09):
And I'm not saying Aaron doesn't have that attitude, but
the surface level with what we saw the other day
on McAfee show was very diva like, uh, I.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
Can't believe they did this to me, and you know,
they made me fly all the way across the country.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
I respect what Aaron did. He ripped the band aid
off was met. Was his messaging a little harsh probably,
But they're trying to build a culture in New York.
It's not a fun culture. How do you think Belichick
would have handled that situation? You think he would have
coddled Aaron. No, And I'll be honest with you, Brady
would have never gotten to that point because he would
have never put himself in that situation where he was

(34:48):
the one getting fired.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
He would have proactively went to Tampa like he did.
And I just if I'm a team, if I'm a GM,
I'm not going anywhere near Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
But there's a team that we'll get desperate because the
quarterback position is very important, and he is a bright,
shiny toy who can maybe lure you to a postseason.
The only way that the Steelers continued is Mike Tomlin
above five hundred run is if they bring in a veteran.
They're not gonna do it with the quarterbacks they have
on their roster. Now they're gonna have to sign Aaron.
I think they're gonna go defense in the draft and

(35:20):
then they're gonna sign Aaron the next day. That's what
I think is gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yeah, I'll say extra quick. And it's perfect timing because
we're on the eve of the draft. Sometimes we're too
hung up on talent. Really, like a lot of how
great you are is mindset, approach, drive. There is no
way Tom Brady would have said what Aaron Rodgers just
said if he were in the same shoes. No chance.

(35:44):
And for years it was look at the talent, at
Aaron Rodgers, and that was a big part of his success.
But the mindset that differs between the two, that tells
you a lot of why the accomplishments have differed over
the years. Radies drive in mindset is different than Aaron
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Speaker 1 (38:11):
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Speaker 4 (38:15):
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Speaker 6 (38:30):
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Speaker 7 (38:35):
The world because the playoffs start today. I guess technically
I started earlier this week with the playing game. You
know most of those are kind of sweaters. Yeah, let's
go there, you go for that job. I'm going with
Josh Hart.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
I think Kevin Hart dancing now, you know, with those
those commercials, I can't have any more Kevin Hart.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
But how about Josh Hart.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
How about Josh that's a grit transition. Actually, Josh Hart
over nine and a half rebounds. This is the time
of year where our guy Tips.

Speaker 7 (39:02):
Just works, works his players to the bone.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
So last year and maybe he's learned from his mistakes,
But last year, Josh Hart went from thirty three minutes
per game in the.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
Regular season to forty two in the postseason.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
He averaged almost twelve rebounds per game in the postseason.
Eight of his first thirteen or excuse me, eight of
the thirteen postseason games went to double digit seven of
the first nine before it kind of ran out of
gas in that Pacer series, will go over nine and
a half rebounds against the Pistons. He has done this
in one of the three matchups earlier this year.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
All Right, I love that one. How about this one?

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Lakers star Luka Doncic over twenty eight and a half
points ten of his last fifteen games. His points over
has hit Minnesota's defense.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Still let starz. He has mentioned lucas a star. I
think he goes over twenty and a half points.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Yeah, t Wolves had no answer for him last year.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
They still don't.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
So I hear what you're where you're going with I
spell with your cook Rich. I'm gonna go with Kat.
Give me Karl Anthony Towns. I'm gonna take him over
one and a half threes. Gotta hit two threes against
the Pistons. And I like it because Jalen Duran he
doesn't like to go stretch out to guard those guys

(40:16):
along the perimeter. So I think Kat's gonna have a
couple of open looks. It's a you know, the first
game of the series against the Pistons, I think Kat
comes to play. I think he's good for two threes today,
So I'll take it and Jared, we're looking at a
payout of plus three sixty one.

Speaker 7 (40:31):
Yeah, pretty BADGP plus.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
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great right now and just gets greater. You know, great
leads the greater sounds like a good game plan right there, right,
sense I think?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
So, all right, we're.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
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So I was thinking about this. We might have some

(41:09):
shocking draft picks on Thursday night, right, and so I
wanted to throw out a couple of shocking scenarios. And
I want you to rank the shock factor here. Okay,
So if you use a scale from one to ten,
one you're not shocked at all. Ten Your mouth is like,

(41:32):
you know, Aaron Rodgers hearing from Aaron Glenn, like, move on,
what what how can this be? You know you're stunned
that type of thing?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Or is he?

Speaker 4 (41:44):
If I'm being accurate, he wasn't stunned that they moved
on from him, but they were stunned that they had
him fly out on his own dime and then broke
the news. That sort of thing. So ten is you
are just completely floored. You're shocked. Okay, so rich, we'll
start with you on a scale from one to ten.
What is your shock factor if the Jacksonville Jaguars they

(42:05):
select running back Ashton Genty at fifth overall? Huh, what
number are you putting on that shock factor?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
That's a low shock factor for me.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
And it's because there are certain war rooms, you know,
front offices, head coach, ownership groups, whoever's going to be
in the room, the boardroom where the final determination is made,
where you draft the best overall player on the board.
You're not worried about what position they play. You're not

(42:36):
really worried, especially if there's you know, quote unquote a
hung jury, like where there's a lot of different opinions
in the room and nobody can really make up their mind,
and it's like, look, we got to go with best
available because we need to make a decision, and we're
not trading our pick because we like the asset value.
So we're gonna go with Ashton Genty, I could see
him going in the top five of this NFL draft because,

(42:58):
like Jared and myself, when you watch this guy in person,
like many of these scouts, probably all of these scouts
at one point or another did, especially his final season
at Boise State, it is like watching a professional running back.
There's you know, Bijon Robinson comes to mind. You know,
Saquon Barkley comes to mind. You know, the type of

(43:20):
players at the collegiate level, you just know they're gonna
be all right at worst, they're gonna be all right
at the next level.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
So that would not shock me at all. If the Jags, So.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
I'll put out of ten, I'll put a two on
it in terms of least shocked to most shocked.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
Yeah, I'll go a little higher. I'll go like four,
but wouldn't be shocking because.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
He's two to one to go to the Jags.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
So again, like the odds are saying he's the second
favorite to go to Jacksonville, the Raiders are the favorite.
But the other thing you have to consider here, first
year GM James Gladstone, first year head coach Liam Pollend.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
That's a wild card.

Speaker 6 (43:58):
Gladstone comes from the Rams, the less snee Tree. They
like to emphasize the trenches. That's why I think the
Jags the smart money says they're gonna go Mason Graham,
the kid out of Michigan. And the reason why is
because there's a connection there. The Jaguars linebacker coach Kevin
Wilkins coach the d line of Michigan last year. I'm
always looking for these connections, and I think that makes

(44:21):
the most sense. But would it shock me to my
core if Liam Cohen, who the Jags basically ripped away
from the Bucks, had a little bit of veto power
in the room with the first year GM and say, hey,
mister Gladstone, I need a weapon. But they have Etn
and Bigsby on the roster, so I think it would
be I would say four or five. If they take
Kent at five, I'd go five.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
With my shock factor, because listen, we know Gent is special.
But I like what you said, Rich, Saquon Barkley comes
to mind, and the Jags or whoever drafts Jant, they
might think of Saquon with Philly, right, But if the
Jags draft Gent, it's more like with the Giants, right,
Like is that did I get in the full effect

(45:04):
with an outstanding offensive line. So and I didn't watch
Jacksonville and think, you know what, if they're just a
running back away from really definitely.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
They need more than their running back.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
They need that.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Yeah, I think Graham makes more sense. But yeah, I'd
go five. I'd go five. Okay, how about this, what
would be your shock factor if a team not named
the Giants, Saints, or Steelers drafts Shoulder Sanders, Right, those
are the three teams that we typically hear. But what
if he goes somewhere else? What would be your shock factor?

Speaker 6 (45:33):
Rich?

Speaker 3 (45:34):
I think I would be I think it would be
relatively shocked.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
I think I would be up there reaching out to
like a six or seven because if you really start
looking around the NFL and thinking about the current quarterbacks,
how many teams are really desperate like to have a
down quarterback year when there's not.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Now.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
I'm not saying there's always a need for a great
quarterback and you never want to miss out on potentially
a franchise player at that position, especially YadA YadA YadA,
but the reality of the situation is of the years
where there's not a deep quarterback draft, there also doesn't
appear to be as great of a need throughout many
of the teams in the NFL at quarterback. I'm not

(46:23):
saying teams are perfect. Like Gino Smith with the Raiders
definitely feels more like a placeholder than he does a solution.
But we know that, you know, there's a lot of
teams that have a guy, you know, like, for example,
give you exactly like Tampa Bay, Is Baker Mayfield going
to win a Super Bowl there? I mean my best
guess is not, But is it potential? Is there a

(46:45):
potential there? Yeah, there's potential there. I mean, is Matthew
Stafford gonna win another super Bowl with the Rams? My
guess is not. But is there potential if he plays
out of his mind like a younger Matthew Stafford? Yeah, Okay,
there's a lot of teams that are in that. Yeah,
I could see it. Maybe there's a couple of really

(47:06):
needy teams you just name them. So I would be
pretty shocked if a team outside of those three drafted
and should or Sanders.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
So give me a seven on that.

Speaker 7 (47:14):
One, I'd be a nine. I'd be really shocking.

Speaker 9 (47:17):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
I think there's only one scenario where Shador doesn't end
up with one of those three teams you listed, be no.
And that's if everyone passes on him and he falls,
and the Browns get trigger happy and move up and
take them because they're already gonna have Travis Hunter on
their team. And boy would that be a fun story
if they had Shador and Travis. But I mean, like

(47:39):
the odds are saying he's going in the top ten,
I mean, you know, top fifteen. So again, unless he
is the Aaron Rodgers of this draft, unless he's the
Will Levis of this draft, and he slides and all
of a sudden, a team that, to Rich's point, isn't
desperate for a quarterback but wants to add one, like
the Browns just signed Joe Flacco. They love Ken pick

(48:00):
it obviously they want to bring in a rookie, but
not at two because cam Ward's gonna be off the board.
So if Shador slides, I could see the Browns getting
a little trigger happy. Or a team like the Giants, right,
a team that is near the top of the second
round that maybe wants to get back into the first
round to take Shador late in the first round because
he falls. So that's one scenario. Out of ten, So

(48:20):
I would say nine out of ten scenarios, it's gonna
be New Orleans or even you mentioned he already mentioned
the Giants, so that covers them. It's probably gonna be
New Orleans or Pittsburgh, maybe the Giants, but the Brown's
the only outside shot if Shador falls.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Okay, So this is gonna sound like it's way too difficult. Okay, Like, initially,
if it's a team not named the Giant, Saints or Steelers,
draft Knight, somebody just draft Shador in the moment, it'd
be like whoa, it'd be at least an eight for me.
But if I like calm down and really thought about it,
it'd be more like a four. It really would, because

(48:57):
if there are other teams that are interested and should
why are they gonna let it be known? It just
doesn't make sense. Again, we're at the poker table. Why
are they whispering to the guy next to him like.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Hey, I got pocket kings?

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Why why would you do that? It makes no sense
to do that.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
So keep the follow up something on this for you? Yeah, yeah,
the Falcons with Panics last year?

Speaker 7 (49:18):
What was your shot?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Where'd that come from?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
But?

Speaker 7 (49:21):
Right, are you like that was not that was a ten.
That was an eleven out of ten.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Shot, that was a seventeen. But but if you think
about this draft, I don't see the Giants taking Shaduur. No,
and some of these beat reporters that follow the Saints
that are all over it, they're like laughing at the
idea of Shaduur being the draft pick. If he somehow

(49:45):
gets past nine, I think all bets are off. Like
what happens if the Colts they're at fourteen? People think,
I'm out of my mind. The Colts are at fourteen,
Shadour is still on the board. You're taking a tight
end when you've got Anthony Richardson and Daniel Joan. This
is your quarterbacks right now, right like what team is?
Just like, we can't pass this up. If he slides

(50:06):
a little bit, that that's possible. So yeah, I would
go four. I'm lower on the shock factor there. Okay,
how about this, what would be your level of shock
scale from one to ten? Rich If the top three
picks are not Cam Woard, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, we
get some other variation, what would be your shock?

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Oh that is a great question.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Yeah, because now you're offering up like the rest of
the draft, and we have some really talented players asking
gent nah, I mean, but then you you always gotta
circle back to need, right, you always gotta hmm. I'm
trying to think who could trade up to one of
those spots and who would they be interested in not

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to get snagged before it's their turn, And I'm having
a hard time because again, those are some needy teams
at the top of the draft. My shock fact, just
because I'm having I'm having a hard time reaching out
and grasping anybody who would even be able to reach
into the first three picks and take any of those
players off the board away from anybody else. I'm gonna

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say a nine, Like, I don't know if it's ultimately
a ten, because we see draft A situations all the
time where we're like out of nowhere, blah blah blahs,
trade it up and who are they targeting? But yeah,
give me a nine or even I'm leaning toward a
nine and a half. This draft sort of feels slotted
through three, so I would be extremely shocked if it

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didn't go as you just described.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
Nothing in life is one hundred percent except for the
top three of this draft.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
I am okay, well, for let's just go one by one.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Ward is minus ten thousand to be drafted first.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
It's done.

Speaker 7 (51:51):
One is done.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
Travis Hunter is minus a thousand to be drafted second.
I mean it just it did. I just don't see
Cleveland not taking Travis Hunter right. The only wild card
here is the Giants. Why Joe Shane and Brian Dable
are on a very short leash and wounded animals sometimes
get desperate. That is the only little sliver that they

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might go in a different direction. But then, if logic prevails,
Abdul Carter is the number one player at a premium position.
It would have to be like the craziest trade of
all times, or like the most absurd Joe Shane fever
dream to not take Abdell Carter at three. And I

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know that they have a lot of good defensive linemen
on the roster. But if you have Brian Burns and
Dexter Lawrence and you add Abdul Carter to that mix,
all of a sudden, your defense is legit.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
Man.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
And the fact that it's Russell Wilson or Jamis Winston
at quarterback isn't as glaring, because if you only give
up twenty points a game, well, maybe you got a
shot to win six or seven or maybe even and
sneak into the back door of the playoffs with one
of those guys at quarterback because your defense is a
lockdown unit. So I think that would be like a
nine point nine nine nine nine if it's not Ward

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Hunter Carter one two three.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Yeah, hey, listen, I in the moment, I would be
pretty surprised. I'd put it at least at an eight.
But if I thought about it more like, Okay, you
just threw out the betting odds at number two there,
What if the Browns are like, yeah, we're going Abduall Carter,
would you just be shocked, beyond shocked. No, that they're
just like we're right, like we're going Abduall Carter and

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Miles Garrett and good luck, good luck blocking those guys, right,
I wouldn't be It wouldn't be shock of shocks if
they went in that direction. I think they'll go with
Travis Hunter. I think these will be the top three picks.
But in the moment, I'd be floored. The more time
I thought about it, I wouldn't be as floored if
the Browns went abdual Carter number two.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
I like this introspective, analytical beno. We have here, uh
attached to nothing, open to everything?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Right? I agree? This is very Roger. This is very area.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Yeah, very meta.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I will say.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
This though, you know, the only pushback I'll give you
on the Browns taking a defensive end. When you start
thinking about like the way a team is built, it's
like it's like, think about it like a house, like
if I'm going to renovate a house, because that's what
it is. It's a consistent renovation. When you're talking about

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the draft or free agency or trading for players. If
you invest all of your assets into your kitchen, you
may have one really kick ass kitchen.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
But what about the bathrooms?

Speaker 5 (54:43):
Oh my god, you didn't update those bathrooms since the nineties.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Oh wow, that's crazy, you know what I mean? What
about what about the living room? I mean you still
have the shag carpet. That's just really you.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Know that's true. But that's here's the thing, though, Rich
I smell what you cook, it do. But this is
where it differs. If you have this unbelievable kitchen in
the NFL, it helps your bathrooms and it helps your
living rooms. That's not the way it works with the house.
But if you have these two defensive ends that are
just putting heat on the on the quarterback, it helps

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your secondary. That's where it differs. And that's what a
team might think. They're like, we're just gonna be special
here and you can't do anything about it, and it's
gonna help for other units.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
Yeah, I don't disagree, And I mean, we've seen this work.
We've seen the I mean, look, it doesn't work all
the time, but immensely talented defenses can carry a team
with quarterbacks like Trent Pilfer, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Like that has happened. I mean, and it's happened over
the past quarter century. It doesn't happen often, but it
can happen.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
But the only argument I'll pose against that point is
it's not necessarily what works all the time, it's what
the homeowner wants. Do you think the Browns ownership wants
to invest that much money in the kitchen? And if
the answer is that yes, then you're right. Maybe Carter
does go to the Browns, But my guess is they're

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gonna want to spread the wealth and not get too
heavily invested in one room of the house. They're gonna
want to sprinkle a little here, sprinkle a little there,
because that's what homeowners want to do. You don't want
to have just the best kitchen in the neighborhood and
then have people used at bathrooms and say, hey, you
guys don't have indoor plumbing.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
This is strange. Why am I peeing in the backyard?
You know what I mean? So I do think that
Travis Hunter goes to the Browns.

Speaker 7 (56:31):
That's the beauty of Travis Hunter.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
He's the master bedroom and the kitchen. He's a wide receiver,
gets he checks multiple boxes in that he Playsum, that's
not too much kitchen, bathroom dot by.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Though, one thing to keep in mind is with Travis
Hunters saying I'd rather retire than not play both sides
of the ball, right, Like seriously, the one that was
like eh about the two way thing was the Browns. Yeah,
so what if the Browns look at this and say, Man,
this guy's willing to quit if we're not giving him

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x amount of snaps on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
Say he can see him playing both ways. Though I
did listen to the press conference the other day Barry.
Barry did admit both ways is open for Hunter. I
think that's why they're going to take them.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Yeah, they probably will.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Probably.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
I think we could see him primarily look primarily playing
the position he can help the team out the most,
but I could see in specific packages getting him.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Involved on the opposite side of the ball.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
I think he's going to be a better receiver. But
that's just me personally, That's just what I'm reading. I
don't really greater evaluate receivers or corners as much the
quarterbacks to the position that I feel comfortable evaluating a
little bit.

Speaker 7 (57:47):
From what I've heard, he's a better receiver. Well that's
just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Interesting, I think he's going to be a better corner
in the NFL. But we'll see, We'll see how it unfolds.
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Speaker 1 (59:31):
All right, let's do this follow the money real good one?

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Ah, Yes, we welcome in Seamus McGee, our main man,
team lead of sports trading at BEDMGM. All right, Seamus,
good morning to you man. We've got the NBA playoffs here.
What do you need first round?

Speaker 5 (59:50):
Like?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Within reason? I know you probably want to see the
like the Orlando Magic upset the Celtics or something crazy
like that. Within reason. What are you hoping for at
betde MGM.

Speaker 9 (01:00:02):
It's great to be back as always. Lakers being bounced
first round would be great. Same with the Warriors. Those
are two teams that have taken just a ton of
action really in the futures markets all year. And another
one here Pistons are decent liability for the book as well.
It actually be pretty good for the Knicks to go
in a little run for us. I think that lively

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number would probably go up the longer the next day
in but as it ends right now, like we wouldn't
mind seeing the Pistons, Warriors, Lakers, and Rockets get bounced early.

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
Just a quick follow up, I know that the regional
bias shamus sometimes impacts bet MGM. For those unaware, MGM
has a stronghold in the state of Michigan, and you're like,
wait a minute, the Pistons are a liability. It makes
sense if you connect those dots, right.

Speaker 9 (01:00:47):
Yeah, it doesn't matter the sport. They just love their
teams in that state. Every year Tigers, Lions, Red Wings.
I mean, they make the playoffs this year, but every year.
Really it's we could go with that, a Michigan team
taking home a championship.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
Thank God, the Michigan teams are bad. I guess I.

Speaker 9 (01:01:03):
Means it might be to say, hey.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
Seam is when when you start looking at the NFL draft,
is there value on this board in your opinion, especially
especially when you're looking at the top three or top
five picks. Even is there a pick or picks that
you can circle with pencil at least and say, hey, yeah,
there might be value in this one.

Speaker 9 (01:01:29):
The closer we get, the more this. You know, these
markets are starting to be shaped like top three you're
seeing but it looks like that feels like it's set
right now, but again, anything could happen. Like number one
it's going to be camp Ward. I thought all week
there'd be some un certainly with two and three, like
what are the Browns going to do? But it seems
pretty set they're gonna they probably are going to pick

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Travis Hunter as far as the odds say right here.
For when you get a little interesting where the Patriot
it's going to do? Is it going to be Will Campbell?
It looks like it may be right now, but what
if some of these guys start falling when you get
to this five through nine range. I feel like that
is where he might be a little bit more of
a crapshoot ash to Gent has gotten some pretty crazy

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steam to go fifth overall to the Jags right now,
and you never know what trades and whatnot, But for
fifth overall, that's been some pretty nuts line movement right
now because now it's there's some rumors gonna have the
Jags really like Gent. The Raiders have gotten a ton
of love for Gent, and then you have this first
line and take in market armand Membu has gotten some

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pretty big steam as far as the whole offseason has gone.
So I think there's definitely some value, especially when you
talk about draft positions over unders. Those can move like
crazy going into draft days. So definitely some some still
value on the board.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
You know, it's interesting Seamus, where you think about what
you want during the draft, right, Like in general, do
you want more chalk?

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
Because I'm thinking about liability.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Take a player like Shduur Sanders, if he went to
the Saints, I mean you have to pay a bunch
of bets people betting on that. But if he goes elsewhere,
like say he goes to some wild card team and
you got to pay like forty to one or fifty
to one long shots. Like generally speaking, are you more
times than not hoping for chalk or not helping for chalk?

Speaker 9 (01:03:27):
It depends on the year. The past few years, it
feels like the more chalky it is, the worse the
results are for us. I think we need some chaos
here because the market gets shaped so liquid and it's
who's going to be first to the information really, So
this is drafts are always one where the the betting
public definitely has a shot to beat the book, because
if you're looking out for news more so than a

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few other books, you can catch some books sleeping here
you can find one. So I think the more chaos
I think happens, it's better for us. You look at
Will Levis falling completely out of the first round, that
was just huge for the book.

Speaker 6 (01:04:01):
Yeah, I think I'll go on the record and say
I think a lot of the things we hear over
the last you know, two weeks is all the opposite,
like the genty thing. If you're a team, for example,
if you think, if you know the Raiders want genty
at six and you're the Jags, wouldn't you want to
put out we want genty to see if there's some action,
there's some movement like that. You always have to think

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of it from that perspective. So I don't believe anything
I hear in this time period, and I try to
base it off of what I you know, handicapped a
few weeks ago, even a few months ago. Seamus, I
think the draft, like I've been betting the draft since
twenty twenty, it has evolved immensely. This is my sixth
draft betting. Can you kind of frame how it is
differently to book the draft, because in twenty twenty, you

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guys just wanted to get any product you could out
there because we were desperate to bet on something. So
I think the limits were higher, the markets were more robust.
Now we've seen a big contraction with a what you're
allowed to bet on b how much you're allowed to
bet on it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
It's changed your over the last few years.

Speaker 9 (01:05:02):
I'll say this, The twenty twenty draft results Lives was
so bad for the book. The next year we said, okay,
we're supping everything back. We're getting sports back now, because
you're right, twenty twenty and during COVID that was something
we had to book, like we had to put up
a ton of markets just because we knew we were
going to get a lot of people who are going
to want to bet it. So and that was a

(01:05:23):
crazy one with like I think it was the to
a draft, I believe. So, Yeah, like Herbert, we burrow
back the two is Dick. We got crushed on and
the next year we're like, all right, we're scaling everything
like complete opposite direction. We didn't make sure we can
mitigate some some risk here. But then you know since then,
the more comfortable we get with the draft, you know,

(01:05:45):
the bigger our team has gotten. Really, the more eyes
we can get on it, that's when we're starting to
you add some markets back, but still also like you're
seeing lower limits on these compared to like twenty twenty. Uh,
just so we can keep eyeballs on this and you know,
mitigate any position that we need.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Seamus, when's the best time to bet the NBA postseason?
Is it early or is it later on in the postseason?
Like are the books going to catch up a little
bit as they see more playoff basketball or do you
think that, you know, the better gets a better edge
the more playoff basketball they get to see.

Speaker 9 (01:06:21):
I don't know. This late in the game, it feels like,
you know, the market's pretty robust at this point. I
feel like you're gonna have to be either chasing some
scheme or you know, really be a decent handicapper at
this I think the lines are pretty rock solid just
coming now. But you know, you look at a team
with like some injury concerns. Damian Littard is just like
coming back apparently for the Bucks that's big news. So

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you know there is someone starting with those series where
you are dealing with some injury news.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
All right, Seamus, it's that time, the Seamus Special. What
is it today?

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
We're gonna go to the NHL playoffs starting today. I'm
going to take a shot with the Dallas Stars, the
very banged up on defense and they're going against the
very high caliber offense in Colorado. But if there's a
guy you can steal game, it's Jake Ottinger and goal
for the Dallas Stars. I think this number's gotten a
bit big for being in Dallas.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Okay, all right, little puck action love it man, All right, James,
that's right. Fuck daddy, Hope you have a great day.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Always good to catch up with you. We'll catch you soon.

Speaker 9 (01:07:24):
Thanks, has having a good weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
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the first round matchups. We'll look at all the games today,
four of them quadruple header. It's a beautiful thing. But
how about this. We've got some rule changes in college football.

(01:08:03):
I wanted to throw out there. So the Playing Rules
Oversight Panel, Like, my brain is a weird place. I
just picture, like is this a pickup line? Like, hey baby,
I'm in the I'm on the Playing Rules Oversight Panel.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
The assistant to assistant region.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
That's right, that's right exactly. But anyway, the Playing Rules
Oversite Panel, they've come up with some new rules. So
the biggest rule change is they're trying to get rid
of the faking of injuries. We've seen this a lot
in college football, where these up tempo offenses. They're just
move and move and moving, and then there's a coach

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on the sideline that tells the defender, like take a dive,
just go down, man, we need to catch our breath.
And so if that happens, if a player goes down
after the ball is spotted, his team loses a time out.
If the team is out of timeouts, it's a five
yard penalty. I would like it to be a little
bit stronger than that. But Rich, what do you think, man?

(01:08:59):
Are you a fan of this rule change to try
to get rid of the faking of injuries?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
I think it's a smart rule change.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
I do think that it was smart of coaches to
take advantage of some of the rules that currently were
in place. So in terms of in terms of the
gray area that affords you, who's to say when a
player is actually injured?

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Who's to say when a player is actually hurt? You know?

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
But if it's if something suspicious happens where you literally
have a coach who's designated on the adeline to point
to the ground and point to a player, and all
of a sudden, that player drops like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
A sniper's in the stadium, Like what do we doing here?

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
So I think this is a good rule change, and
I'm supportive of it being a little tepid in terms
of turning up the heat. If there's there's room for
further punishment, like or if there's a need I should
say for further punishment, We'll cross that bridge when we
get there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
But I think this is a smart rule change.

Speaker 6 (01:09:57):
Yeah, this feels like you know, when you go to
Starbucks and they ask if you want room for milk
and your coffee, Like there's still some room to adjudicate
this in a more harsh way. I think this feels
a little more like a slap on the wrist. The
way I'd like to see it ruled if you go down,
you're out for the series. And I think that would maybe,
you know, because right now, what you can do is

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you can kind of skirt around, like is a coach
really going to care in the first half if they
lose a time out right?

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Five yards?

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Like this is this is supposed to prevent the explosives, right,
This usually happens after a team gets a big chunk
play and they're on the ball, because usually the best
opportunity to pounce on a defense.

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
Is after they've given up an explosive.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
So five yards is not punitive enough, and a time out,
especially in the first half, is definitely not punitive enough.
I'd like to see the player out for the series.
I think that would make it a little bit harder.
But then you could say, oh, just take the worst
guy on the team and have him go down, you know,
the worst starter on defense and have him go down
and then we can get around that. So there's always
going to be a way that coaches are trying to
find that edge. But I agree with you, Brian, I

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think it maybe we're at like a medium, like like
a mild on on on the solcial scale here.

Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
I think we can go a little higher.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
I won't flame it high.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Let's do that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
But that's the thing is, it's interesting because you have
to have language to explain what triggers a penalty. They
can't just say, hey, we know it when we see it, right,
Like we know when a coach is telling a player
to take a dive. They have to have some sort
of language and some sort of trigger that will then
indeed it turns into a penalty. So it's kind of

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interesting where they're at right now. But I think the
harsher the penalty, the less likely you are to try
to do that right now, you can, I mean, try it,
you know if worst case, if we don't get away
with it, we burn a time out, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
Yeah, in the first half, nobody cares about the timeouts.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Yeah, I love this. This is the dumbest change. This
is so great. It sounds like I'm making this up.
This is absolutely true. So the terms the call stands,
the call is confirm, right, We've had that for a
long time. It's a thing of the past. It's old news.
Now referees will say on the field the call is

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upheld or overturned. Big change in college football.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
Wow, this groundbreaking.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Needed to be done, needed to be done.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
A whole committee for that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Yeah, you know, I mean like.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
Get them rich.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
I mean, okay, well, you know there was a there
was a law change in California that was, like you
have now, there has to be specific language on a
loaf of bread or on your milk that says this,
this product expires by this date, instead of having like

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the clunky language of cell by or packaged on or whatever.
And you know, you know what, you know what dawned
on me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
I'm like, does anybody not just like open up the
carton of milk and sniff anymore?

Speaker 7 (01:12:56):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
Like, like, you know, I don't know how everybody else
is doing life. But I've been okay, I'm thirty nine,
I've figured it out. If the bread's got mold, guess what,
either a corner's getting cut off and it's getting thrown
in the toaster anyways, or the whole loafs going in
the trash. It just depends on how desperate I am
for toast that morning. Like, figure it out, people, I

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don't understand certain rule changes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
But okay, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
How much money did this committee get paid?

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
How much taxpayer dollars we're getting wasted? Can we call
Elon Muss to figure out if there's some wasteful spending
going on with this committee?

Speaker 7 (01:13:35):
I mean, that is an insane rule.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
It's actually no, like it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:39):
Makes sense logically.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
But do you have to make a whole pop and
circumstance big deal about that.

Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
Just do what Rich did. Smell the bread, see if
there's mold, and move.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
On with our lives that you know what? This is
the equivalent of, instead of saying the call stands or
the call is confirmed, now it's upheld, right, this is
this is the two minute I'm out quote unquote, oh.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
God, don't get me started, right college.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
Football, No, let's let's let's call it a two minute time.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
I'm sure the same committee that thunk up that rule
probably had.

Speaker 7 (01:14:12):
This one cooked up as well.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Yeah, I agree, but there is what one. That makes
a lot of sense. A loophole was closed. So you
go back to that Oregon Ohio State game, like, okay, right,
so Dan Lanning, the Oregon head coach, smart, smart move,
He's like, hey, twelfth guy get on the field, and
there was no penalty against that other than hey, it's

(01:14:35):
a it's a you know, like a five you had
twelve men on the field, but hey, you'll take the
five yard penalty because it's more valuable to run time
off the clock. Now that loophole has been it's been closed.
If you're caught doing that intentionally putting a twelfth man
on the field, the offense has the option to put
the time back on the clock.

Speaker 7 (01:14:55):
Smart.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Now, if a player is like running off to the
sideline and doesn't quite get off the field, you don't
have the option to put the time back on. But
if it's clear that, like Oregon did, you're putting a
twelfth defender there, the offense could put the time back
on the clock. Now that makes sense, agree you, No,
I don't know why they're wasting time on the upheld
overturned thing, but yeah, this part does make sense.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
The hysterical unforeseen disaster that's going to happen, is there's
going to be a coach who who decides not to
do what's advantageous for their team in that moment, like
given the options, and the officials are gonna be like,
are you sure it's going to be like a fireable events?

(01:15:36):
Like man, Because listen, coaching is hard. You got a
lot of things swirling around in your brain. Usage of timeouts,
how many do we have left field position?

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
You know, all these different things.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
When given another thing to think about, I'm telling you
if I if I am a head coach or a
general manager in college football right now, I am reviewing
that situation a couple of time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I'ms just in case because you never know, you never know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
But uh but yeah, that's that's a good change because
Dan Lanning took full advantage, yes, of a rule that
that ended up netting him rat a win that maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
He shouldn't have had.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. All Right, We've got Rich Orenberger,
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Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
This prop it up player plays.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
All right, Jared, we start with you, Betskalore, what's something
you like.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Well, I'm very heavily invested, at least heavily engaged in
the NFL Draft.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
I haven't made a ton of bets yet. I'll give
you one that is a little juicy, and it involves
my guy, Tyler Warren.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
I think Tyler Warren to the Bears is just a
match made in heaven.

Speaker 7 (01:17:23):
Again, this is the Brock Bauers effect.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
So GM Ryan Poles, he went really hard improving the
offensive line of free agency.

Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
Kayleb Williams took at absurd sixty eight sacks last year.
That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
Now, I think you get Ben Johnson a shiny new toy.
And if you go back and look at what the
Lions offense has done in prior years under Ben Johnson,
they run a lot of twelve personnel.

Speaker 7 (01:17:44):
Two tight ends on the field.

Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
Well, if you look at the Bears roster, it's really
just Coole Komet So I could see Poles trying to
get Ben Johnson another tight end so Ben can run
his very favorable twelve two tight end personnel.

Speaker 7 (01:17:58):
And I think Tyler Warren, who.

Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
Is plus three, he's seventy five to get taken tenth overall,
is the pick to the Bears.

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
And that offense is gonna be a lot of fun
to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Netgear, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
All right, you know what give me tonight's matchup Quippers Nuggets.
James Harden he's his points, assist rebounds. I mean it
feels artificially low at thirty seven and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Is that what bet MGM has it at? Yep? Jared okay,
so thirty let me give you his last.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
Five game fifty against Dallas on all three of those
stats forty two against San Antonio, forty eight against Houston,
forty four against Sacramento, fifty six against the Golden State Warriors.
That was his last game prior to the postseason. Give
me James Harden going over the thirty seven and a
half points, rebounds, assists.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
I think he sails pass it, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Sometimes he got to live life on the edge. I
think this is a good spot to do it. I'm
gonna go tomorrow. Jah Morant under twenty three and a
half points, okay for a couple of reasons. So we know,
he rolled his ankle against the Warriors on Tuesday, and
then last night he got an injection in that ankle.

Speaker 7 (01:19:12):
For the game against the Mavericks, he.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Had a put back dunk where his eyeballs were pretty
much even with the rim, and you're like, how is
this happening? They got an injection. So think about this.
He played last night, they played the early game tomorrow.
That's not a whole lot of time for his ankle
to recover. And his scoring slowed down quite a bit.
He's off to a great start. Last night, the scoring

(01:19:35):
slowed down. Now he's going up against OKC and their defense.
So I think the under is a smart play. Maybe
even in game makes more sense. If he gets off
to another good start, he might start to fade a
little bit in the scoring department. He took twenty four
shots last game. That's the worry. He had twenty two
points on twenty four shots. Begets that kind of volume. Well,

(01:19:56):
maybe this is a bad bet, but I think with
his health not being there and going up against Okay
see game one, I'm gonna go under twenty three and
a half.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Mon I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
I think you could do crazier things all right, coming
up next. I wouldn't do it, but this team is
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(01:20:46):
I've been thinking a lot about the number one pick. Okay,
the Titans have it. What are the odds again, Jared,
that they take cam Ward minus ten? So we have
to risk? Yeah, you have to risk ten thousand dollars
to win one hundred dollars. Correct, that's how much of
a You.

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
Got ten grand in the sofa cushions. There be of it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
That's where I keep my.

Speaker 7 (01:21:11):
Ten grand, right, sofa cushions.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
It's the safest place. Nobody looks there, you know. So
cam Ward is going number one. Here's the thing. You
gotta find a quarterback. You have to in today's NFL.
We know this, and typically if you're picking, when a
top quarterback prospect is on the board, you take them
and you don't think twice about it. But ask yourself
these two questions about cam Ward. Okay, be honest with yourself.

(01:21:37):
Is it a good idea for a team to trade
up for cam Ward? What if it's the Browns or
we need a quarterback?

Speaker 7 (01:21:44):
We're trading.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Do you think it's a smart idea to trade up
and give up a bunch of draft capital to get
cam Ward?

Speaker 7 (01:21:51):
I would say no, I don't think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
I think that's telling Ask yourself another question, if another
team wanted to move up, would it be smart for
the Titans to trade down? I would say, yes, you
get all that draft capital. You don't have this like
top of the line prospect. Some people have cam Ward
as the seventh quarterback off of the board last season

(01:22:14):
if he came out in last year's draft, right, So
those two questions are revealing cam Ward isn't a fantastic prospect.
And if I'm drafting number one, ideally I want the
prospect to be so good that teams want to trade
up for him. I wouldn't think of trading down like
this is easily the guy. So I'm not passing on

(01:22:38):
Travis Hunter and Abdua Carter for a mediocre quarterback prospect
in cam Ward. I just don't think this is the
only spot you can find your quarterback of the now
in the future. And I think a lot of people
are acting as if this is the only crack that
the Titans have at it. I just don't think that's
the case.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Well, here here's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
These businesses aren't run by objective outsiders who don't have
their livelihoods riding on decision making, but the people within
the organizations they do. And so if you're a general
manager or a head coach, you realize, hey, we may

(01:23:24):
only have one crack at taking a first overall draft pick,
like this could be it. And I'm talking about over
the course of your entire career. And so when you
have that sitting in your hand, and you have a
guy who's got a significant amount of starts under his
belt at the collegiate level, who has the arm talent

(01:23:45):
to throw the ball anywhere on the football field, who, yeah,
I mean, are there some blemishes on his game? I
can point to a couple of moments where there's no
question he held on the ball too long. You know,
maybe he was a little slow processing the play. Maybe
he tried to extend to play and didn't get out

(01:24:06):
of trouble. You got himself into more trouble. And look,
you point to plays like specific examples where he didn't
do the things he was supposed to do. When you're
about to invest the first overall draft pick in player
and potentially changed the fate of your franchise for a
half decade right or longer if he ends up panning out.

(01:24:26):
So everything is going to be thrown into the thought
process when you're going to draft a guy this high.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
But objectively, I agree with you, Brian.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
I think that if there was a player, or should say,
a team that was interested in trading up to the
Titan spot, Objectively, yeah, it would make sense to grab
all that capital and maybe kick the can down the road.
But if you're Titan's general manager, Titan's head coach, or
even the owner, you may be thinking to yourself, how

(01:24:57):
many more opportunities are we going to have to at
the top of the NFL draft and the potential at
that position, regardless of the name attached to that position,
whether it's cam Ward or one of the prospects available
last year. Like, sometimes you got to take big swings
in this in this life. And I think they're going
to take a big swing, and I think they'll either

(01:25:18):
miss or they'll hit based on how they develop this
talent at the next level. And it's a very human
decision because you want to be able to take the guy,
try to develop the guy and see what the outcomes are,
rather than potentially kick the can down the road, still
have a crummy season, and then, oh, by the way,

(01:25:39):
you're fired in this business, and somebody else is going
to reap the rewards of your decision to get draft
capital for the future. So I think it's a very
human decision to take cam word with the first overall
draft pick as opposed to, you know, trying to put
the pick up for sale, because then at least it
puts all of that potential in your hands to sculpt

(01:26:01):
the next talent, as opposed to potentially giving all that
draft capital over to a new regime somewhere down the road.

Speaker 6 (01:26:08):
Yeah, speaking of getting fired, I mean that's Ran Karthon right,
former Titans GM fired in the offseason, replaced by Mike Borganzi,
who comes from the Chief's tree assistant general manager under
the Chiefs, director of football Ops, director player personnel, who
have the Chiefs had for the last few years. That
has made their situation a lot easier to manage. So

(01:26:31):
if that's any indicator of what Borganzi wants to do.
And again, you've got a head coach Brian Callahan who's
been there for now his second year. Can I just say,
right off the top, how awesome it is that we
are about to have the number one pick in the
draft who started his career at Incarnate Word. That's like

(01:26:54):
the mascot of this show is Incarnate Words. So I
think it's a full circle moment for countdown that we
get an Incarnate Word player at the top of the draft.
But now, I think, Brian, to your original point, I
think it's become so expensive to trade into a spot
like this because of how valued the quarterback position is.
I think most gms, like the thing I've noticed when

(01:27:15):
I do my rerack of who's running each team every offseason,
the one thing I notice is outside of like Duke
Tobin in Cincinnati and Mickey Loomis in New Orleans, these
gms are young, and they're analytically focused, and they value
draft picks, and giving up all of that draft capital
is really expensive. I think it's more expensive now because

(01:27:38):
of how hard it is to keep players healthy and
to keep your roster stacked with depth. I think the
draft picks matter more every year as we go into
this and that's why I think teams you don't see
a lot of trades in the top five, you know,
maybe the top ten. Right, We saw one last year
with the Vikings moving up a spot to take McCarthy. Like,
I don't think you're gonna see a lot of top

(01:28:00):
three draft trades anymore because it's just so darn expensive
and most of these gms value draft picks.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
I hear you, But we just had an example two
years ago with Bryce Young and Carolina gave up the
farm to get that guy. You know, like you're gonna say,
if you have a prospect that's worth doing it for,
teams would do it. If this isn't Andrew Luck prospect
or a Joe Burrow like prospect, teams would be dying

(01:28:29):
to trade up to number one. The fact is cam
Ward isn't that type of prospect exactly like that, That's
where it comes from. Like again, think about this, some
people have him as the seventh best prospect at quarterback. Wise,
if he came out in last year's draft, that means
JJ McCarthy, who was a handoff machine at Michigan in

(01:28:50):
the eyes of a lot of talent evaluators, is the
better prospect. That doesn't mean it's gonna turn out to
be that way, but that's still telling. I just think this.
Look the Titans. The nightmare scenario is if they pass
on cam Ward and he turns out to have the
goods which he might have, and you passed on that guy,
and it's like, what were you thinking right there? That

(01:29:11):
is the nightmare scenario. But here's the thing. You shouldn't
negotiate out of fear. You should evaluate out of honesty.
That's what you should. Don't think, Oh, it'd be a nightmare,
and what if this and what if that? Like, be
honest with yourself. If he's not a top shelf prospect
and Travis Hunter and Abdua Carter are, why are you

(01:29:32):
acting like this is the only crack that you have
to find your franchise quarterback. Like I'm all for being aggressive,
but like, if we're at the poker table when we're
playing Texas, hold him well timed aggression, that doesn't mean
you're going all in with any hand, Right you get
two seven off suit, I'm all in. Like, No, you
have to play premium hands. You have to pick your spots.

(01:29:54):
And I also think there's a chance where this could
be twenty eleven all over again. Rich you talked about this,
think about the Titan. The Titans drafted Jake Locker and
passed on JJ Watt, like that could be happening all
over again. And I just don't think cam Ward is
the prospect. I think his decision making is shaky far

(01:30:14):
too often, and I just don't believe he's going to
be a top five, top ten quarterback in the NFL.
And I'm not passing on blue chip prospects to get
a guy who's probably just gonna be a guy. I'm
not doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
I don't disrespect your opinion, but you could be completely wrong.
Cam Ward could end up being All Pro every year
from this point moving forward, because we never know until
we know, as you know, Brian, because we've all seen
this story play out before names it's course.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
Yeahs no knows. We're gonna do that as a segment
at some point this summer.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
You absolutely need to this is this.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
This is such a hard conversation to have because I
agree completely with what you're say saying outside of like
my opinion on cam Ward is I think that his
skills will transfer to the NFL, and if he's well coached,
I think some of that processing stuff can be cleaned
up at the next level depending on a lot of things,

(01:31:16):
I mean a lot of variables going to having success
at the next level. The Titans are a little bit
in ruins right now, so it's really gonna depend on
cam Ward's mental toughness and his ability to hammer it
out for a year or two where it's gonna be
tough times in Tennessee. But depending on how quickly they
get this train back on the rails, we could see

(01:31:38):
cam Ward have success. But getting away from cam Ward's
level of success and getting back to what you just
said about the Titans taking Jake Locker, there is an
immense amount of pressure when you're in these decision making roles,
and I think it would take me personally, Like I
always try to personalize this. If I'm thinking, hey, we

(01:31:59):
should go with the right choice as opposed to the
sexy choice, like it's a sexier choice to get the quarterback. Obviously,
the right choice may be to trade down. The right
choice may be to field those phone calls for people
interested to come up to number one. The right choice
may be to improve your defensive line with an Abdual Carter,

(01:32:21):
or maybe get you know, a running back, or I
like what you know, I'm just saying I'm throwing things
at the wall here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
The point though, is it's not the sexy choice. And
sometimes depending on.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
Your ownership group that you're working with, depending on the
fan base and their feelings towards you as a head
coach or a front office, depending on where you're at
in your career, sometimes you need to make the sexy
choice and make it work.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
And that's the reason why.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
Objectively, when you're looking at it, and I'm looking at it,
it seems so easy sometimes, But when you're in that
room with an owner who's bearing down on you, going
we have to fix the quarter position, do you understand me?

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
And you go, yes, sir man, you're reading.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
I mean, you don't have to be very smart to
read between those lines, you know what I mean. So
sometimes decision making seems like, oh, why did they do that?
And meanwhile it was because the decision wasn't even in
their hands. It was because the owner said, we need
a quarterback, and so you found the best.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
One available at number one.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
Overall, Yeah, I think it's you have to compare it
to Will Levis, right, like, where does cam Wart stack
up against Will Levis? And then you look at the
board and you say, man, if we don't take a
quarterback here, we're gonna be probably stuck with will Levis again,
because the odds are saying there's gonna be at least

(01:33:45):
three quarterbacks taken in this first round, and if the
Titans don't take one of them, that means they're going
to be left with a Tyler Shuck or maybe they
get lucky they get a Jackson Dart at the top
of the second round, or a Jalen Milroe. And I
don't know about you guys, but Jalen Milroe doesn't entice
me over will Levis.

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
Cam Woard does.

Speaker 6 (01:34:04):
I don't agree with the assessment that cam Wart's behind
JJ McCarthy. I don't agree with that assessment at all.
I think the upside for cam.

Speaker 7 (01:34:12):
Ward is very high.

Speaker 6 (01:34:13):
I agree there's Wartz. He is not the perfect prospect.
He's not Joe Burrow, he's not Andrew Locke. I don't
even think he's Caleb Williams. But this is a guy
that has played a lot of football and he checks
a lot of boxes physically, and I think the experience
gives it. Like I know, Washington State's not you know,
God in terms of the college football landscape.

Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
Neither is incarnate word, but I think.

Speaker 6 (01:34:36):
The fact that he was successful in both locations is
enticing to me. Like he went to a new spot,
had success, went to another new spot, had success. He's
shown ability to absorb playbooks like it really just comes
down to fit. And if the Titans think he's the
right guy and there's a need at quarterback, the most

(01:34:56):
premium position, it's a slam dump to take this guy. Now,
that doesn't mean he's gonna turn into Joe Montana, but
in terms of the way that the draft dynamics have
been kind of calculated over the last few years, I
think the Titans will be doing themselves a gift service
not to address the quarterback position because of who.

Speaker 7 (01:35:13):
They currently have under center.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Man, we could talk about this all day, but absolutely
I'm gonna disagree with you, Jared. I love him, You're
acking young man, but I'm gonna disagree with you on
this one. It's not about cam Ward versus Will Levis.
You're not playing each other. You're playing the Chiefs and
the brown and the Bills and all these teams. Like
it's gonna be whoever your quarterback is you're going up

(01:35:38):
against Mahomes and Josh Allen and Burrow and Lamar who's
a two time MVP just in the AFC. And you
gotta be honest with yourself. Is cam Ward that guy
to get us to the Promised Land, to go toe
to toe with the likes of those guys? And if
your answer is probably not, no, Will Levis absolutely is
not that guy. But I don't know why we're acting

(01:36:00):
like this draft is their only crack at finding a
franchise quarterback. They might be in a much better position
next year. And that's my thing is you shouldn't just
be thinking of twenty twenty five. You should be thinking
about twenty thirty five. If you're the Titans. Ideally, that's
you find the guy that's gonna be there for the
next decade. And it reminds me of like college basketball

(01:36:20):
down the stretch. Remember I remember, Rich, You're talking about
this like this San Diego State needs this win like
blood and and and there are a lot of teams
that needed that. But just because you needed that win
didn't mean you're gonna get that win, you know what
I'm saying. Like it's the same thing with quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:36:36):
But just because you need a quarterback draft in twenty
thirty five. If he doesn't get this quarterback situation right now,
that's he's brand new.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
He's brand new, Like, why are you putting all your
eggs in the cam word basket if you're honest with
yourself and don't believe he's gonna be a franchise player,
If that's your evaluation, you shouldn't be taking him at
all when you've got Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter right there.

Speaker 5 (01:36:58):
Well as your opinion, we don't know what his opinion is,
and I don't agree with you that there may be
a better prospect on the board, but there may not
be a better prospect for your job preservation because there
may be internal pressure on you taking a quarterback, and
by the way, also sometimes taking a quarterback, and even

(01:37:19):
if you don't quite get it right, but the ownership
believes that it wasn't your fault. He believes that you
guys did a good job helping this player along, developing
this player. Oh and in the interim you rebuilt the
team around that quarterback. Maybe they let you take you
another dip into the NFL draft. Whereas if you take

(01:37:39):
an Abdual Carter and you have a decent edge rush,
and you miss on a couple other picks, and you
get some trade value, maybe at with that first overall pick,
and you trade down in the draft and you make
some good selections, but the team still stinks. But it
looks like it's going to be a promising twenty twenty
six football season. Maybe maybe all of a sudden, you

(01:38:00):
run out of rope with ownership and you don't get
to see all this through. Like I said, the NFL
draft is a very human decision that is hard to
stay objective about.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
Let me let me say one thing real fast. This
is how bad organizations remain bad organizations.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
What, Yes, that is true.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
It's it's ownership putting the pressure on the GM like
clock's ticking. We need a quarterback. Let your GM be
a GM. Okay, and the GM don't just think of
yourself and your paycheck. Do what's best for the franchise.
That is your job. Okay. And we know I'm not
born yesterday. We know that's not how a lot of
gms operate. Yeah, but that's the job. And there are

(01:38:41):
a lot of people that don't think that way, and
that's why they that's why these teams just spin in
their wheels because they're just make it like it's like
a text hold them again, one card left in the
deck that can bail you out. How did it get
this bad? It's like, see, we're not honest with yourself.
That's how it got that bad.

Speaker 6 (01:38:58):
Will Levis branded All and Tim Boyle. That's the Titans
quarterback room right now. I mean you just look at
that situation and you think that you're you're set at
that position.

Speaker 7 (01:39:09):
You're not.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
But that's the thing. It could be a good thing
for next year's draft when there's a better prospect on
their word thee horrible quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
Green and this guy is now underheat and you've got
to hope that arch Manning's the guy. Like I think,
I think Ward is going to be better than what
you're expecting. Like you're basically saying Ward is going to
be a complete bust.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
And I think he's going to be a guy. I
didn't say bust. I didn't say bust. I said I
think he's gonna be a guy. I don't think he's
upper echelon. I don't think he's top five, top ten,
That's what I said. I don't think he's going up
against the likes of Burrow and Mahomes. No, I don't
think he's that guy.

Speaker 7 (01:39:44):
Not his rookie year.

Speaker 6 (01:39:45):
I mean, I really think he's going to be better
than you're giving him a little cur like.

Speaker 7 (01:39:50):
I think he is worthy of the number one pick
this year.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
I do, I.

Speaker 6 (01:39:54):
Honestly do think he is worthy of the number one
pick because of how important the quarterback position is. I
agree he's not the number one prospect on the board.
He's probably in the five to eight range. But we
have seen we saw six quarterbacks taking the top twelve
last year. Like, this is the NFL. Like like it
or not, this is what the NFL is. You need

(01:40:14):
a quarterback and teams are going to reach. And I
think cam Ward is not like a reach. But I
think he's worthy of the first pick, but maybe not
like generational talent.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Hey, the Colts reach for Anthony Richardson. That worked out great.
I can't forget we got rich Ron Berger, they got
Jared Smith FSR vetting analyst.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
I'm probably in no. Hey.

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Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Look at this layout over here. It's like Thanksgiving dinner,
Christmas dinner, Easter Sunday. We are all anything that you want.
You got ham turkeyot. What do you think about the
first round?

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
Here?

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
I'll put it this way, which first round matchup are
you most looking forward to?

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Rich?

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
What's the top of your list over there?

Speaker 5 (01:43:08):
You know, I the Lakers probably is the series I'm
most locked into, you know, the sixth seed Minnesota Timberwolves
taking on the three seed Los Angeles Lakers. I think
that one probably has my attention. If if we're going
to focus in on, like what team I think could

(01:43:29):
possibly pull off a stunner, like an upset Golden State Warriors.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
I mean that sounds that sounds kind of like kind.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Of a big reach. That would be a huge swing.
The Rockets are extremely good, I would say that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Yeah, it's a big favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
Yeah yeah, it feels it feels like if we're we're
talking about a low seed taking out a high seed.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Yeah yeah, I like ESW Yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:44:01):
In terms of the odds, the best series is going
to be this Nuggets Clippers series.

Speaker 7 (01:44:06):
Like that's the tightest line.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
So if you want like the intrigue of a team
that's recently won a title that just fired their head
coach as a top four seed they heading into the playoffs, like,
and then you get, oh, by the way, the James
Harden situation, Like, I know, he's always a fun playoff watch, right,
So if you're just talking entertainment value, I think Nuggets
Clippers is supposed to be a really tight series. I

(01:44:28):
did take some Clippers early on at minus one fifteen.
It's out to minus one twenty five. Now, I just
I don't feel very comfortable with the Nuggets situation, and
I think the fact that you know the Clippers are
the road team and they're the favorite in the series,
I think is pretty telling.

Speaker 7 (01:44:46):
In terms of a macro trend.

Speaker 6 (01:44:48):
I know this is really boring because nobody likes to
bet the under, but I was doing some research over
the week, and the under in games one and two
of the first round the unders are like sixty percent.
They went eleven and five last year, so I think
that makes sense logically, right, You're basing these numbers off
of the regular season. A lot of the totals are

(01:45:10):
based off of the scoring averages offense defense in the
regular season. Then all of a sudden you go to
the postseason, which, Brian, I know you watch this a
lot more closely than I do. It is a second seat.
It is a different vibe in the postseason, and then
all of a sudden things tighten up. Sometimes it takes
a couple of games for the totals to really find
their level, so early on in a series, defense matters.

(01:45:34):
In the playoffs period, you get a little bit of
value to the under.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Plus.

Speaker 6 (01:45:38):
Oh, by the way, everybody loves to bet the over,
so that usually gives you some value to the under. Now,
I don't know if you watch the games last night,
but if you had the under in that Hawk's heat game, oh,
you should have won.

Speaker 7 (01:45:50):
And then you didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:45:51):
And then the same thing in the Lake game, that
random three at the buzzer by Dallas push that game
over the total. So betting the under does have its
disadvantages because it puts you in an early gravere as
my mom would say, we said this in the first
how ur a high conic.

Speaker 7 (01:46:06):
But I do think there is a little bit of
value to the under.

Speaker 6 (01:46:09):
I did bet the under in that Pacers Bucks game
two twenty four and a half. It's moving against me,
but I think unders and Clippers would be my early.

Speaker 11 (01:46:16):
Vibe here, guys, that was so disgusting, gross and anybody
like that that MAVs Grizzlies game, because even before the
three pointer at the buzzer, Yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Late foul, why, there's no reason. No Blippers were just
running lockout and MAVs player got a little bit too close.
Next thing you know, Gg Jackson is draining two free
throws and then the MAVs are canning at three. Oh
my gosh, I didn't have a cent.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
On the game.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
But that's how disgusting it is. If you're not even
betting and you say out loud, that's brutal. Oh my gosh,
I just think. Look looking at the the entire ballowax
here in the NBA playoffs, okase is going to be
so difficult to beat. They just are, Like if you
go back to this, they have the best point differential

(01:47:12):
in NBA history. They averaged twelve point nine points per game.
That's what they won by an average. So you think
about their losses, all of their narrow wins, they still
won games by an average of thirteen points during the
regular season. That's the best in NBA history. So it

(01:47:32):
speaks to what they do. They have top line talent
with SGA, they can score they can hit threes, they
can defend, they do everything. They've got depth. You're not
winning by that amount if you don't have great depth.
So I think they're going to be incredibly difficult to beat.
The West is loaded, but I think okay, see is

(01:47:53):
the best chance not just to get out of the West,
but toWin the whole thing. I think it's gonna be
an upset if they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
I agree. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
Getting back to the first team I shout out, or
I should say the first series I shouted out Wolves Lakers.
What this series comes down to, in my apparent opinion
is is the Wolves defense Timberwolves if if they don't
live up to the billing that they are built the
right way to defend the Lakers, who are a team

(01:48:20):
that obviously you know, your frontline defense matches up well against,
you defend the three point line well against.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
And since Luca came over to the.

Speaker 5 (01:48:29):
Squad, they're not as great inside the paint, or I
should say inside the arc. This is more of a
perimeter scoring team who can slash and burn a little bit.
The Minnesota Timberwolves defend the Lakers well. This should be
a really fun, exciting series to watch. I think it
could go back and forth. I think we could see

(01:48:50):
some of the blemishes that may come back to haunt
the Lakers if they survived the Minnesota early here and
may prove detrimental down the stretch. And then, you know,
obviously the storyline surrounding this Luca is going to carry
the torch for the Lakers after Lebron is done, depending
on when they get bounced. You know Lebron James, you know,

(01:49:12):
he likes to make the storyline about him. So as
the postseason rolls on, are we gonna hear retirement talk
if they get an early bounce here, if they continue on,
there's gonna be conversation if the Lakers really do achieve
what ultimately everybody in that organization hopes that they achieve,
which is win another NBA championship, Is that enough to

(01:49:32):
slat the thirst of the king like it will? Will
he lay down the sword?

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Then? My guess is no, but there will be that talk.

Speaker 5 (01:49:40):
So as as usual, the Lakers being in the postseason
makes the NBA better because the storylines are richer, especially
what happened with that Luca trade, so that that is
easily one of the closer in my opinions, but also
one of the most interesting series we got going on
in the early rounds.

Speaker 6 (01:49:59):
Yeah, really what I'd love to see. I don't know
how the bracket shapes out, bro, Maybe you can help me.
Is it would it be Lakers Clippers in the second
round if both teams have the.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
Look it would be No, it would be the Lakers
versus the winner of the Warriors Rockets.

Speaker 6 (01:50:13):
Lakers Warriors Rockets, I mean Lakers Warriors would be a
fun series two like I'm trying to think of, like,
you know, splash value for the for the league. Not
to say that it's rigged, but I do think there's
a certain tendency if the calls are tight late, you know, hey,
we want to get the Lakers into the semis here.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
Rudy Gobert boxing out a little too forcefully on the Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:50:39):
I think the best case scenario would be a Lakers
thunder uh West final for like, ratings wise in the East,
I don't really think it matters. It's gonna be Boston
and whoever. And if it's Boston New York, that would
be fun. Again, the bracket has to shape out the
way it shapes out, But I think Britain, Boston, New

(01:51:01):
York will be the second round, right, because Cleveland's won Yep, yeah,
I mean that would be a really good second round series.
I thought we were gonna get that in the Eastern
Conference Finals last year until Tibbs ran the Nicks into
the ground and they couldn't get past the Pacers, and
then the Pacers ended up getting swept. I think whoever
faced the Celtics in the East Final last year was
probably going to get swept or maybe a gentleman's sweep.

(01:51:21):
It feels like we're heading in that direction again in
the East. Like I don't know what, like what scenario
would play out where the Celtics don't.

Speaker 7 (01:51:29):
Win the East, Like I can't think of one.

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
Yeah, well it would be the Calves most likely. If
the Calves, no, we really don't, that.

Speaker 7 (01:51:38):
Would be shocked by Cleveland in this first round.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
You know what I wonder though, if you look back
at the Celtics path to a title last season, not
Murderer's Row, No, right, And it does gives me you
always say this vibes, Jared, It does give me nuggets
vibes from a couple of years ago. Not murderers Row.

(01:52:01):
On the way to a championship, and I'm not sure
changing them. Celtics deserve to win it last year, Nuggets
deserve to win it the year prior. But what it
means going forward, I think maybe maybe we're sold on
the Celtics being more legit than they actually are. I
think they're I think they're a really formidable team. But again,
a lot of this is built on the credentials of

(01:52:23):
winning a title and being defending champs. But if you
look a little bit closer with squinty eyes, you know,
at the path to a title last year not the
most impressive path ever, and so maybe that lends itself
to with the bulls eye on their chest being the
team to take down, maybe that lends itself to their
They're not repeat champions again, just like the Nuggets. You know,

(01:52:45):
it's something to.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Keep in mind.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
Yeah you got you got the Celtics winning at all.
It was surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
You do. Okay, all right?

Speaker 5 (01:52:56):
Boston feels like the pick, you know, going back to
the calve. I think that they have developed depth and
that is a structure. First team, I think that Donovan
Mitchell can't shoulder the load alone, and I think they've
had some shaky moments from Garland this season. I think

(01:53:17):
that Mobley is still a work in progress. There's a
lot to be said about what they have and the
future does look bright. Well, I shouldn't say the future necessarily,
but next season, you know. I mean, there's a lot
you could say about the way this team is built.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
But we know the NBA postseason it is. That is a.

Speaker 5 (01:53:38):
Hard road to navigate with a team that's just sort
of put it all together. They have a dazzling record,
they have a lot to be proud of in the East.
But Boston they know how to win, and they know
how to win at the most important time of the year,
and here we are.

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
Yeah, I don't see a scenario where it's not Boston
in the East. Now, once you get to the finals, Brian, like,
I think that's where you maybe get an upset.

Speaker 7 (01:54:04):
But I just like, if it's.

Speaker 6 (01:54:05):
Boston Thunder, yeah really taking the Thunder in that series?

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Yes, I am.

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
You watch them a lot more than me, so I
respect your opinion a lot in this matter. I just
feel like the chalk tends to prevail in these types
of situations, at least in this league.

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
I think the thunder would be favored if it's thunder
celis really yeah, absolutely, yeah, Well, slight Face would be
home court, yes they would.

Speaker 6 (01:54:33):
Yeah, okay, well that that that does factor into what
the numbers would be.

Speaker 7 (01:54:37):
I still think Boston would be the slight favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:54:39):
Way it's a conference from the All Star Game.

Speaker 7 (01:54:43):
No, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 7 (01:56:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
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Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
That's right, He's taking the seven and a half and
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Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Rapid fire.

Speaker 4 (01:57:04):
All right, Jared, do we start with you? And we're
back to square one. Everybody in rapid fire. After the
football season. We are deadlocked at fifteen and twelve. Everybody
has the same record, right.

Speaker 6 (01:57:16):
I love that You've got a long way to go
into August too, So a lot of picks to make.
Delayed gratification makes the juice tast sweeter. I'm gonna give
you three picks for Thursday nights NFL Draft, the first round.
These are picks five, six, and seven. I think Mason
Graham's gonna be the fifth pick, currently priced minus one
fifteen over at bet MGM. Again, tough situation to predict
with Gladstone the new GM in Jacksonville. But this is

(01:57:37):
a premium position and we know coming from the Rams
less need love those defensive linemen, think Aaron Donald and
of course the connection the linebacker coach Kevin Wilkins, coach
Graham at Michigan last year Ashton genty to the Raiders.
This is minus one fifteen. You could take Gent to
be drafted sixth overall, that's minus one thirty five.

Speaker 7 (01:57:54):
I'd rather take the Raiders connection.

Speaker 6 (01:57:56):
If you think about what Pete Carroll and also the
offense of coordinator Chip Kelly like to do.

Speaker 7 (01:58:02):
Think about Lashawn McCoy, Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 6 (01:58:05):
Those are the types of offenses that these guys have
had in the past, and I think interesting dynamic with
spy tech forty four year old GM seventy three year
old Pete Carroll.

Speaker 7 (01:58:12):
I think Carroll wins this battle.

Speaker 6 (01:58:14):
I think they take genty to the Raiders and armand
Membo to be the seventh pick. This is to the
Jets minus one ten. Another difficult spot to predict with
the first year GM, but you get Vashana at one side,
then you get memboo now on the other side playing
right tackle, bookend tackles to protect justin fields.

Speaker 7 (01:58:29):
I think the Jets take Membo with the seventh pick.

Speaker 5 (01:58:32):
Okay, okay, I'm gonna go all NBA. I'm gonna go
all NBA two day postseason basketball, and I'm gonna go
all home favorite. Sorry Chris Perfet, but I got the
Knicks minus seven and a half. Nicks, they've got significant
postseason experience. They're playing at Madison Square Garden, one of
the most raucous postseason environments. And the Pacers, or excuse me,

(01:58:55):
the Pistons, they're inexperienced in the postseas.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
Moving on to the Nuggets minus two and a half.
It's just Jokic. It's the Jokid Show.

Speaker 5 (01:59:03):
He's a triple double machine, difficult to contain.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
For the Clippers.

Speaker 5 (01:59:08):
Lakers minus four and a half against the Pacers, it's
the dynamic duo. It's Lebron, it's Luca, It's the script
the NBA wants to propel through the postseason. I think
that LBJ and Luka end up taking the win tonight.
Minus four and a half on the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
I right to go fast because I have no choice.
I'll go with the Pacers in the first quarter minus
one and a half against the Bucks. The Pacers starting
lineup sneakly, very very good. They've got a net rating
of plus eleven point one. That's good. Karl Anthony Town's
over one and a half threes makes too much sense.
Jalen Duran doesn't go out there and guard the perimeter

(01:59:51):
and give me the Clippers to win their first round
series against the Nuggets.

Speaker 7 (01:59:55):
Jamal Murray's hamstrings are iffy.

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