April 11, 2025 • 19 mins
George Noory and author Patricia Eltinge explore her research into dreams and dream interpretation, the symbolism of the dreams she had following her abduction as a child, and how you can find the positive messages from either dreams or nightmares.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Patricia Eltin's with us. She was blassed on with our
colleague George Knapps six years ago. Her book is called
The Dream Class, Know Your Dreams, Know Yourself. Patricia is
an author dream analyst. She is a longtime leader of
dream training workshops. Is a personal dream consultant to business
(00:27):
leaders and celebrities worldwide. Patricia, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm great, George. I'm really happy to be here with you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Dreams are fascinating. How did you get involved in this?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh boy, that's a great question. And it's also a
question of my personal journey from childhood and I talk
about it in the introduction in my book. And I
had a traumatic experience as a kid, and that's and
(01:00):
it started happening. So I can talk at length about
that at some point, but maybe now, I was actually
kidnapped and molested when I was five, And the point
of being they'll jump right into this right off the
top of the hour. Here I was. I can talk
(01:20):
about it now so easily, but at the time I
was with a scary guy was a little kid, and
it happened to me that I had an experience that
some psychologists over the years, and different people said, oh, well,
(01:43):
it's a dissociation. I heard voices before something actually horrible
happened to me, and I heard a voice from above
my head. I was down in a ditch well. This
this fellow who was in his probably eighteen, had lured
(02:06):
me with him to go look for his puppy. And
this was in Los Angeles, and I found that I
was in this big drainage ditch with him looking for
this puppy. And so I was starting to be molested,
and I heard a voice above my head, as loud
(02:28):
as any loud voice, and I said, oh, oh good,
he's here. They're here, And I was so happy that
somebody was there to save me. But in reality, or
whatever kind of reality we want to believe in our
(02:49):
regular waking life, there wasn't anybody there. But the guy
who had me, I was so believable. He thought that
there was somebody there to save me, and he took
off running. He took off running, and it was several
hours later when I was I was found by the police,
(03:12):
and to this day I knew I heard a voice,
So wherever the voice came from, that's what saved me.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So they did they ever rush and convict this guy.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
They'd never found him. He ran. He was about to
take me under the highway. That was a big drainage
ditch that goes under the highway, and they he ran
under there and he was about to take and he
wanted me to go in there. But fortunately I was
a little kid and I was afraid of the dark,
(03:48):
and I said, oh no, no, I'm afraid of the dark.
I don't want to go there. Thank God. I'm sure
I wouldn't be here today if I had gone under
the tunnel with him. So from that point I started
having what people call nightmares. And I don't like to
call them nightmares. I like to call them scary images
(04:08):
now that are bringing us to consciousness. So I started
having nightmares. And at the time, and my parents would
say to me, Oh, you'll be okay, You'll be okay,
don't worry, it's nothing, it's just a dream.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Did you wake up crying, Patricia, I.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Always woke up crying. I always woke up crying. So
that was the PTSD, that was the post traumatic stress
that I was experiencing as a kid and into my teens,
and then in my twenties I was seeking help about
it and then went into studying psychology and one thing
(04:51):
led to another. But that's how I the beginnings and
then my later on my studies after USC and I
have got interested in holistic health, so I went to
the School of Natural Healing and then ended up with
(05:11):
continuing education at the Want Institute under doctor Pat Allen.
And that was where she said she recognized my gift
for capturing dreams and really understanding the dream thing. And
(05:34):
she's almost ninety one years old now, she's still alive,
and we're very, very close, and we developed this system
of dream interpretation that springboards off of where Carl Jung
left off.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, that's fantastic, it is. Well, well, what at what
point did you become the dream analyst in in your
your age? Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, what age did I? Well, I'll tell you about
the dream first of you don't mind. That dream that
brought me to this was that scary dream that a
repetitive dream, by the way, was I was being chased
by a witch, and a scary witch sort of flying
(06:26):
low over the ground and I was doing this swimming motion,
barely able to stay, just barely stay away from the witch.
And she had a great long broom, the classic witch
with writing a broom. Let's say, okay, well, that broom
(06:46):
is a symbol. We'll talk about symbols later, but the
broom is a symbol, phallic symbol. You can see that
when you see a broomstick. And that is what's chasing
me in my dreams. And I'm always just getting away.
So how I got into it, you're asking me, Well,
(07:08):
Doctor Allen recognized that I had a gift. As we
were exploring Carl Jung and these other components of dream interpretation,
the old fashioned way or the older ways, and then
we developed the newer version, which is, like I said,
(07:28):
we springboard off of Carl Jung's work and also bringing
in the ancient Asian philosophies such as the tai jitsu.
You know the yin yang symbols, the black and the
circle with the black and white. Well, that represents the
masculine and feminine energies, which is the dualistic components of
(07:53):
the universe, the yin and yang, but it's also the
positive the negative. It's also the dark markets the light.
So the entire universe runs on these complementary energies. So
that's how I bring this into play as well, and
(08:17):
gradually I started writing and doctor pat and I were
working on the next theories rather than just dream interpretation
like a dictionary, because as you conceive just from sharing
my first dream as a child, dreams are extremely personal.
(08:40):
All dreams are personal, and that's why there's no dream
dictionary that is going to help all people, especially multi culture.
Our system goes across cultures, has the personal aspect of
(09:03):
the dreams.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Now, Patricia, these decisions to become a dream analyst, though,
was created by what the dreams you were having as
a kid.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well, it started with that because of my interest, my
interests to find out of what I why I was dreaming,
and why other people dream and don't want to know
what their dreams are about. So I delved and delved
and worked on. Also, the people who influenced me were
(09:41):
besides Carl Jung and his wonder one of his many
wonderful books, man and his symbols. And also let's say
to understand that in my dream, specifically my original dream,
I'm a voracious dreamer now obviously we have volumes of
(10:01):
my dreams, but my dream of this low flying part too,
when I was getting away from the phallic symbol and
the scary witch type image, that low flying is not grounded.
(10:22):
I'm above the ground, I'm up in my head. So
we start talking about how in our male energy is
our head, our masculine that's our masculine productive thinking ideas energy.
(10:42):
Now in dreams, when we're in our lower self, we're
on the ground floor or walking on the ground, we
are in our feminine energy, and that is our feeling centeredness.
So also what I was doing was escaping my scary feelings.
So again what you're asking me is how did I
(11:05):
actually get into it? Well, it just fell into it
that way, and studied after studying and continuing to study.
It was doctor Pat who doctor Pat Allen who insisted
I write a book because she and I had been
collaborating and teaching workshops over the years and had thousands
(11:30):
of notes, and we kept going on and on, as
I said, having sprungboard off of Carl Jung, but carrying
on where he would have gone if he had lived.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
We're talking with Patricia Elton's a dream analyst whose book.
Is you wrote it three years ago? Did you not?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Well, I wrote the first. It's already in its second
in three years ago. We have four or five years ago,
and then we have a new printing. It's sold out,
so we're in a second edition for you.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's called The Dream Class and your website is the same,
is it not?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yes? Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So there's some key phrases buttures are from your book.
Let's go through them. Know your dreams, know yourself. What
did you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh? Well, George, our dreams are a direct link to
our subconscious mind and the way we can access our
subconscious because let me first say that we are to
(12:50):
get through our daily lives. We have a lot of
filters on our conscious mind. Otherwise we'd all be running
around naked with our hair on fire, if you know
what I mean. So we have filters that get us
through being civilized human beings. But in the dream world,
(13:10):
maybe you know, if you dream, George, we can override anything,
we can fly, we can breathe underwater, we can drive
fantastical cars. So we don't have the same filters in
our subconscious and our subconscious mind is where our truth lies,
(13:38):
and our truth comes from our unconscious, including the collective
unconscious of the world. But our unconscious bubbles up through
our subconscious mind, and that's where our unfiltered truths are
that we can access through understanding our dreams.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
What gets us to that point to know these dreams?
Who is who is teaching us? Or are we learning
on our own?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Partially? We're learning on our own because our dreams are
incrementally desensitizing us to our truths symbolically so that we
can start to accept what we really need to know.
You know, in waking life, a lot of people ruminate
and they don't know what they should do, or Oh,
(14:35):
I'm confused, what do I do? And should I? Should
I keep this job? Should I? Should I find another job?
Or this relationship? Oh this relationship is it too much
for me? Should I stick with it?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Or so?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
We're all always ruminating about things. But our dreams can
help us come to our our real truths, how we
truly think and feel without all the filters of our
waking life. A conscious mind.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Another one of the phrases Patricia all dreams wish us well,
what does that mean? Is that true?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yes? It is true, even the scary stuff, even what
people call nightmares. And there are people who say I
don't want to know, I don't want to know. Well,
it's people who want to know who can grow from
our dreams. We can grow through knowing ourselves and knowing
(15:38):
what our real truths are. And even if they're scary images.
And by the way, dreams aren't literal. They come to
us symbolically. And sometimes there are people or other things
in our dreams that seem like they're familiar, but they're
(15:59):
still represent enting some other aspects of ourself what I
can get into later too. The aspects start out. Let's
put it this way, how we understand start to understand
our dreams. Because I wrote this book originally based I
was teaching to other therapists and health providers, clinicians and coaches,
(16:29):
so or when we were teaching. Now, what I wanted
to write this book was so the lay person could
start to understand their own dreams. So it starts by
understanding that dreams come in in a hierarchy of people, nature,
(16:51):
and things. Now, things like inanimate objects start at the
lowest level of consciousness, and as we're getting to know
the message better, it goes up to the next level
and as the message is bubbling up through our subconscious
trying to get to our conscious mind. We then get
(17:16):
to nature. That would be animals, landscape, so that could
be rivers, trees, dogs and cats and horses. So that's nature.
Now we're coming up to the next level towards consciousness,
that's people. When people start appearing in our dreams, then
(17:40):
we're getting closer to getting the message. And that would
be there are men in their dreams, and women in
our dreams are babies, there are old people. So again,
when you're dreaming. This goes back to Carl Jung wasn't
teaching this in dream world, but he was teaching it
(18:01):
in psychotherapy psychoanalysis. So that's why I say we took
it all the way where he was going if he
had lived into the dream world. Which means the Yungian
paradox is that men or male figures in our dreams
(18:22):
represent our feminine side, our feeling centeredness, and women or
girls in our dreams represent our thinking, our masculine energy,
our productive side. So that's where it gets a little
(18:42):
tricky and people sometimes have a hard time understanding that concept.
Now that's represented in the Yin Yang
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Symbol listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight
at one am Eastern, and go to coast tocoastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Patricia Eltin's with us. She was blassed on with our
colleague George Knapps six years ago. Her book is called
The Dream Class, Know Your Dreams, Know Yourself. Patricia is
an author dream analyst. She is a longtime leader of
dream training workshops. Is a personal dream consultant to business
(00:27):
leaders and celebrities worldwide. Patricia, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm great, George. I'm really happy to be here with you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Dreams are fascinating. How did you get involved in this?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh boy, that's a great question. And it's also a
question of my personal journey from childhood and I talk
about it in the introduction in my book. And I
had a traumatic experience as a kid, and that's and
(01:00):
it started happening. So I can talk at length about
that at some point, but maybe now, I was actually
kidnapped and molested when I was five, And the point
of being they'll jump right into this right off the
top of the hour. Here I was. I can talk
(01:20):
about it now so easily, but at the time I
was with a scary guy was a little kid, and
it happened to me that I had an experience that
some psychologists over the years, and different people said, oh, well,
(01:43):
it's a dissociation. I heard voices before something actually horrible
happened to me, and I heard a voice from above
my head. I was down in a ditch well. This
this fellow who was in his probably eighteen, had lured
(02:06):
me with him to go look for his puppy. And
this was in Los Angeles, and I found that I
was in this big drainage ditch with him looking for
this puppy. And so I was starting to be molested,
and I heard a voice above my head, as loud
(02:28):
as any loud voice, and I said, oh, oh good,
he's here. They're here, And I was so happy that
somebody was there to save me. But in reality, or
whatever kind of reality we want to believe in our
(02:49):
regular waking life, there wasn't anybody there. But the guy
who had me, I was so believable. He thought that
there was somebody there to save me, and he took
off running. He took off running, and it was several
hours later when I was I was found by the police,
(03:12):
and to this day I knew I heard a voice,
So wherever the voice came from, that's what saved me.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So they did they ever rush and convict this guy.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
They'd never found him. He ran. He was about to
take me under the highway. That was a big drainage
ditch that goes under the highway, and they he ran
under there and he was about to take and he
wanted me to go in there. But fortunately I was
a little kid and I was afraid of the dark,
(03:48):
and I said, oh no, no, I'm afraid of the dark.
I don't want to go there. Thank God. I'm sure
I wouldn't be here today if I had gone under
the tunnel with him. So from that point I started
having what people call nightmares. And I don't like to
call them nightmares. I like to call them scary images
(04:08):
now that are bringing us to consciousness. So I started
having nightmares. And at the time, and my parents would
say to me, Oh, you'll be okay, You'll be okay,
don't worry, it's nothing, it's just a dream.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Did you wake up crying, Patricia, I.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Always woke up crying. I always woke up crying. So
that was the PTSD, that was the post traumatic stress
that I was experiencing as a kid and into my teens,
and then in my twenties I was seeking help about
it and then went into studying psychology and one thing
(04:51):
led to another. But that's how I the beginnings and
then my later on my studies after USC and I
have got interested in holistic health, so I went to
the School of Natural Healing and then ended up with
(05:11):
continuing education at the Want Institute under doctor Pat Allen.
And that was where she said she recognized my gift
for capturing dreams and really understanding the dream thing. And
(05:34):
she's almost ninety one years old now, she's still alive,
and we're very, very close, and we developed this system
of dream interpretation that springboards off of where Carl Jung
left off.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, that's fantastic, it is. Well, well, what at what
point did you become the dream analyst in in your
your age? Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, what age did I? Well, I'll tell you about
the dream first of you don't mind. That dream that
brought me to this was that scary dream that a
repetitive dream, by the way, was I was being chased
by a witch, and a scary witch sort of flying
(06:26):
low over the ground and I was doing this swimming motion,
barely able to stay, just barely stay away from the witch.
And she had a great long broom, the classic witch
with writing a broom. Let's say, okay, well, that broom
(06:46):
is a symbol. We'll talk about symbols later, but the
broom is a symbol, phallic symbol. You can see that
when you see a broomstick. And that is what's chasing
me in my dreams. And I'm always just getting away.
So how I got into it, you're asking me, Well,
(07:08):
Doctor Allen recognized that I had a gift. As we
were exploring Carl Jung and these other components of dream interpretation,
the old fashioned way or the older ways, and then
we developed the newer version, which is, like I said,
(07:28):
we springboard off of Carl Jung's work and also bringing
in the ancient Asian philosophies such as the tai jitsu.
You know the yin yang symbols, the black and the
circle with the black and white. Well, that represents the
masculine and feminine energies, which is the dualistic components of
(07:53):
the universe, the yin and yang, but it's also the
positive the negative. It's also the dark markets the light.
So the entire universe runs on these complementary energies. So
that's how I bring this into play as well, and
(08:17):
gradually I started writing and doctor pat and I were
working on the next theories rather than just dream interpretation
like a dictionary, because as you conceive just from sharing
my first dream as a child, dreams are extremely personal.
(08:40):
All dreams are personal, and that's why there's no dream
dictionary that is going to help all people, especially multi culture.
Our system goes across cultures, has the personal aspect of
(09:03):
the dreams.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Now, Patricia, these decisions to become a dream analyst, though,
was created by what the dreams you were having as
a kid.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well, it started with that because of my interest, my
interests to find out of what I why I was dreaming,
and why other people dream and don't want to know
what their dreams are about. So I delved and delved
and worked on. Also, the people who influenced me were
(09:41):
besides Carl Jung and his wonder one of his many
wonderful books, man and his symbols. And also let's say
to understand that in my dream, specifically my original dream,
I'm a voracious dreamer now obviously we have volumes of
(10:01):
my dreams, but my dream of this low flying part too,
when I was getting away from the phallic symbol and
the scary witch type image, that low flying is not grounded.
(10:22):
I'm above the ground, I'm up in my head. So
we start talking about how in our male energy is
our head, our masculine that's our masculine productive thinking ideas energy.
(10:42):
Now in dreams, when we're in our lower self, we're
on the ground floor or walking on the ground, we
are in our feminine energy, and that is our feeling centeredness.
So also what I was doing was escaping my scary feelings.
So again what you're asking me is how did I
(11:05):
actually get into it? Well, it just fell into it
that way, and studied after studying and continuing to study.
It was doctor Pat who doctor Pat Allen who insisted
I write a book because she and I had been
collaborating and teaching workshops over the years and had thousands
(11:30):
of notes, and we kept going on and on, as
I said, having sprungboard off of Carl Jung, but carrying
on where he would have gone if he had lived.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
We're talking with Patricia Elton's a dream analyst whose book.
Is you wrote it three years ago? Did you not?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Well, I wrote the first. It's already in its second
in three years ago. We have four or five years ago,
and then we have a new printing. It's sold out,
so we're in a second edition for you.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's called The Dream Class and your website is the same,
is it not?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yes? Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So there's some key phrases buttures are from your book.
Let's go through them. Know your dreams, know yourself. What
did you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh? Well, George, our dreams are a direct link to
our subconscious mind and the way we can access our
subconscious because let me first say that we are to
(12:50):
get through our daily lives. We have a lot of
filters on our conscious mind. Otherwise we'd all be running
around naked with our hair on fire, if you know
what I mean. So we have filters that get us
through being civilized human beings. But in the dream world,
(13:10):
maybe you know, if you dream, George, we can override anything,
we can fly, we can breathe underwater, we can drive
fantastical cars. So we don't have the same filters in
our subconscious and our subconscious mind is where our truth lies,
(13:38):
and our truth comes from our unconscious, including the collective
unconscious of the world. But our unconscious bubbles up through
our subconscious mind, and that's where our unfiltered truths are
that we can access through understanding our dreams.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
What gets us to that point to know these dreams?
Who is who is teaching us? Or are we learning
on our own?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Partially? We're learning on our own because our dreams are
incrementally desensitizing us to our truths symbolically so that we
can start to accept what we really need to know.
You know, in waking life, a lot of people ruminate
and they don't know what they should do, or Oh,
(14:35):
I'm confused, what do I do? And should I? Should
I keep this job? Should I? Should I find another job?
Or this relationship? Oh this relationship is it too much
for me? Should I stick with it?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Or so?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
We're all always ruminating about things. But our dreams can
help us come to our our real truths, how we
truly think and feel without all the filters of our
waking life. A conscious mind.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Another one of the phrases Patricia all dreams wish us well,
what does that mean? Is that true?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yes? It is true, even the scary stuff, even what
people call nightmares. And there are people who say I
don't want to know, I don't want to know. Well,
it's people who want to know who can grow from
our dreams. We can grow through knowing ourselves and knowing
(15:38):
what our real truths are. And even if they're scary images.
And by the way, dreams aren't literal. They come to
us symbolically. And sometimes there are people or other things
in our dreams that seem like they're familiar, but they're
(15:59):
still represent enting some other aspects of ourself what I
can get into later too. The aspects start out. Let's
put it this way, how we understand start to understand
our dreams. Because I wrote this book originally based I
was teaching to other therapists and health providers, clinicians and coaches,
(16:29):
so or when we were teaching. Now, what I wanted
to write this book was so the lay person could
start to understand their own dreams. So it starts by
understanding that dreams come in in a hierarchy of people, nature,
(16:51):
and things. Now, things like inanimate objects start at the
lowest level of consciousness, and as we're getting to know
the message better, it goes up to the next level
and as the message is bubbling up through our subconscious
trying to get to our conscious mind. We then get
(17:16):
to nature. That would be animals, landscape, so that could
be rivers, trees, dogs and cats and horses. So that's nature.
Now we're coming up to the next level towards consciousness,
that's people. When people start appearing in our dreams, then
(17:40):
we're getting closer to getting the message. And that would
be there are men in their dreams, and women in
our dreams are babies, there are old people. So again,
when you're dreaming. This goes back to Carl Jung wasn't
teaching this in dream world, but he was teaching it
(18:01):
in psychotherapy psychoanalysis. So that's why I say we took
it all the way where he was going if he
had lived into the dream world. Which means the Yungian
paradox is that men or male figures in our dreams
(18:22):
represent our feminine side, our feeling centeredness, and women or
girls in our dreams represent our thinking, our masculine energy,
our productive side. So that's where it gets a little
(18:42):
tricky and people sometimes have a hard time understanding that concept.
Now that's represented in the Yin Yang
Speaker 1 (18:51):
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at one am Eastern, and go to coast tocoastam dot
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