On the Journey

On the Journey

Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.

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September 24, 2025 64 mins

Matt, Ken, and Kenny conclude their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. They wrap up the discussion by focusing on how the Catholic Church really sees Purgatory at the end of the day: as a final purification in the presence of a person, that person being Jesus Christ, whose light dispels all darkness, and who desires eternal fellowship with us all. More episodes in this ser...

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Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. This time they address one of the biggest objections to the concept of Purgatory: the story of the thief on the cross, who died alongside Jesus and was promised paradise. He wasn't even baptized! So how should we think of the Good Thief's story in the context of Catholic teaching on Purgatory? More ep...

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Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. This time they address three key questions that people often have about Purgatory: Is it mentioned in Scripture? Is it a second chance for salvation after death? Is it a third place for those who neither merit Heaven nor deserve Hell? More episodes: https://www.chnetwork.org/onthejourney Our Online Co...

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There are a lot of ideas out there about Purgatory, from pop culture, to literature, and more, and many of them come by way of myth, misunderstanding, and even memes. So what does the Catholic Church actually officially teach about Purgatory? Matt Swaim is joined by former Protestant pastors Kenny Burchard and Ken Hensley to look directly at the passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church which formally address Purgatory...

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Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard concludes his discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians.

In our final episode of the series, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley about five...

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Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard continues his discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful conversations about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Christians.

In the second of three episodes on the topic, Kenny talks to Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley ...

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To the casual observer, Pentecostals and Catholics seem to be almost polar opposites in the Christian world. What could they possibly have in common with one another?

Former Foursquare pastor Kenny Burchard begins a discussion of fifteen key commonalities between the beliefs and practices of Catholicism and Pentecostalism, as a way of hopefully having more fruitful c...

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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

Kenny Burchard shares a list of some key things that the Bible can't tell you using only the principle of sola Scriptura, and Matt Swaim shares how Flannery O'Connor helped him see that the Right of Private Judgment can lead to Gnosticism.

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

Matt, Ken, and Kenny spent previous episodes looking at whether or not the Reformation doctrine of "sola Scriptura" is workable, whether or not it is taught in the Bible, and whether or not it reflects early Christian faith and...

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

Matt, Ken, and Kenny did deeper into the historical practice of the earliest Christians, and look at what primary sources can tell us about the role of Scripture in the first centuries of Christianity. How does the way the Chur...

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

Matt, Ken, and Kenny look back at the history of the early Church to ask some key questions about "sola Scriptura." For instance, why did it take so many centuries for the Church to formalize the New Testament? And if "sola Scr...

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

The two passages of Scripture most often cited in defense of sola Scriptura are the account of the "noble Bereans" in Acts 17, and Paul referring to Scripture as "God-breathed" in 2 Timothy 3:16.

But do these passages truly tea...

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

In this episode, they discuss whether the case for "sola Scriptura" is something that is clear from the teachings of Scripture itself, or whether one has to come at Scripture already having a "sola Scriptura" mindset in order t...

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We're taking a short break this week from our series on sola Scriptura to invite you to a special event, exclusively for Protestant pastors who have become -- or are thinking seriously about becoming -- Catholics.

There are certain things that only clergy converts to Catholicism can truly relate to -- such as planning your last sermon before resigning from ministry. In this episode, Ken and Kenny share how that last sermon played...

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

In the last episode, Matt, Ken, and Kenny discussed how "sola Scriptura" was clearly not the authority model followed by the early Church. But are there any clues in the writings of the New Testament that indicate whether or no...

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

In the previous episode, they discussed how sola Scriptura does not, and cannot work. But if sola Scriptura is indeed Biblical, then Christians are obliged to observe it.

This time around, Matt, Ken, and Kenny begin to reflect ...

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

If the Bible Alone is the sole source of authority for Christian faith and practice under sola Scriptura, then why are so many Christians who hold to sola Scriptura divided against one another over what the Bible means?

Matt, K...

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Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.

One of the key effects of the Reformation was that the right of private judgment -- which had always been allowed in a limited way by the Catholic Church-- was expanded by Luther and others to become a universal right, immediat...

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When Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard were Protestant pastors, they believed and taught what many Christians profess: the doctrine of sola Scriptura, which holds that the Bible alone is the sole and sufficient rule of faith.

Along with fellow Catholic convert Matt Swaim, they begin a series unpacking the basic conditions and consequences of sola Scriptura, and share the ways that each of them began to question its workability, its hi...

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If you've only ever been to Protestant church services, what should you know before you visit a Catholic Mass? Ken Hensley was a Baptist pastor, Kenny Burchard was a Foursquare pastor, and Matt Swaim came from the Wesleyan Holiness movement. Now that all three of them are Catholic, they share some of the things they wish people had explained to them before they went to Catholic Mass for the first time. More stories and resource...

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