On the Journey

On the Journey

Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.

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September 16, 2026 57 mins

Matt Swaim is joined by former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley and former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard to continue their series on Clement of Rome, and what he tells us about early Christianity. They continue to look at the Scriptures that Clement quotes in his letter to the Corinthians, written just decades after the ascension of Jesus. What do they tell us about which books the early Christians considered to be inspired? The ...

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Matt Swaim is joined by former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, and former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard to continue their series on Clement of Rome, and what he tells us about early Christianity.

Clement of Rome was a Christian leader in the generation following the apostles, long before the Bible as we know it today had been formally put together.

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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Clement of Rome, and what he tells us about early Christianity. In this episode, they look at what Clement has to say about the relationship between faith and works, and our call to respond to and cooperate with God's grace. Do his writings bear any resemblance to the Reformation doctrine of "faith alone"? The Coming Home Network was established in 1993 to hel...

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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Clement of Rome, and what he tells us about early Christianity.

In this episode, they look at what Clement has to say about worship in the early Church. How was it structured? Who presided over it? And what resemblance, if any, did it bear to how Christians worship today?

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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Clement of Rome, and what he tells us about early Christianity. Catholics don't merely refer to him as Clement of Rome; he's formally known as Pope St. Clement I. So what evidence do we have that Clement was acting with apostolic authority, and that those who received his letter recognized that authority? The Coming Home Network was established in 1993 to he...

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Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard each came from parts of the Evangelical world where faith in Jesus was strong, and love of the Bible ran deep, but knowledge of Church history wasn't particularly robust. And none of them gave much thought at all to Clement of Rome, who would have known the apostles and had a Christian leadership role in Rome in the era immediately following the martyrdoms of Peter and Paul. So who wa...

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A lot has happened since On the Journey launched back in April of 2020!

In their 200th episode, Matt, Ken, and Kenny look back at how each of them got involved with the Coming Home Network, and give a bit of background into the development of the On the Journey podcast and its original stated mission: to share our stories in hopes of helping others like ourselves who are trying to understand the Catholic Faith.

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley concludes his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. In this episode, they finish their discussion of the prophecies of Jesus in Matthew 24, when the Lord foretells the destruction of the Temple, and the "end of the age." Many of these prophecies are seen by Dispensationalists to refer to the Rapture and the ...

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him.

In this episode, they begin to unpack the prophecies of Jesus in Matthew 24, when the Lord warns his apostles of coming destruction and tragedy. So what was Jesus referring to? What did this mean for the Temple? And when does Jesus indicate these prophecies w...

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him.

Ken illustrates how the idea of the Rapture in Dispensationalist thought is part of a larger phenomenon within Dispensationalism of "double vision"; two new covenants, two distinct kingdoms of Israel and the Church, and even two "second comings" of Christ.

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. Having built a Biblical and historical case against Dispensationalism over the past several episodes, Ken Hensley ties all the threads together to show how Jesus really did bring the Kingdom through his death, resurrection and ascension; and it is alive and...

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him.

The Old Testament is filled with references to the Promised Land. So how do Jesus and the New Testament authors build on this idea? And what is the geographical territory that is meant to be under the reign of the Messiah?

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him.

A major theme in the story of God's chosen people Israel is the "Promised Land." Ken Hensley unpacks what was involved in that promise in the generations leading up to Jesus. Was that promise ever fulfilled, and if so, how was it fulfilled?

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. What do the prophecies of the Old Testament tell us about how God will dwell with his people in the New Covenant? What implications does this have for the Temple? And what do Jesus and the authors of the New Testament have to say about how all of these prop...

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him.

In this episode, they look at the prophecies about God's coming Kingdom throughout salvation history, and compare that with the way Jesus preached the Kingdom during his earthly ministry.

They also look at examples in the writings and preaching of Peter and P...

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him.

In this episode, they look at the prophecies throughout salvation history related to how God was gathering together a people, and how the words and actions of Jesus in founding His Church fulfill the promises God made to bless all nations through His people I...

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him.

In this episode, they look at the covenants God has made with His people through the centuries leading up to Jesus, and how it is Jesus Himself who is the most perfect fulfillment of the prophecies and promises made to Israel.

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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him.

In this episode, Ken discusses some of the specific passages of Scripture that were leading him to believe that the central claims of Dispensationalism couldn't hold up to Biblical scrutiny.

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From The Late Great Planet Earth to Left Behind and beyond, millions of Christians have subscribed, knowingly or unknowingly, to the conclusions of a theological system known as Dispensationalism, which makes claims not only about the end of the world and the return of Jesus, but also about the nature of covenants in Scripture. Ken Hensley, a former Baptist pastor who came to faith in the 1970's through the witness of Christian f...

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Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? After ten episodes of explaining how he came to realize that the Reformation doctrine of salvation by "faith alone" wasn't Biblical, former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares how he came to embrace the way the Catholic Church talks about what it means to be saved. More episodes in this series: https:/...

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