The Rod and Greg Show: Changes to Utah's Vote By Mail System; Sundance Film Festival Bails on Utah

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we have got a lot to get to today.
We appreciate you being with us, and if you want
to be a part of the program, of course eight
eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero. Coming up,
we'll be talking with Steve More. We'll get Steve's take
on the auto tariffs that the President announced yesterday. The
governor signed that voting election reform bill. We'll talk with
the main driver, the main sponsor of that bill. Coming

(00:22):
up a little bit later on in the show. We'll
also talk about judicial insurrection and restrictive online safety measures.
We'll get into that as well. So a lot to
get to today. Has always great to be with you,
and again, if you want to be a part of
the program. Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero. Now you came in today with a huge
smile on your face.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I did.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
There is a reason for this. See I didn't realize
you were so powerful, but apparently you are.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I think it's the show, ron, I think the Rod
and Greg Show is being monitored by many important people.
The halls of power echo with this broadcast.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Well you have been you've been crab be of late.
Let's be honest, and finally you got some action on
something that's.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Been near and dear to your heart, that is right,
and it is these Eldon announced this morning that he
and the EPA are serious as a heart attack, that
they are going to Mexico and they are going to
demand and they're going to insist, and they are going
to see that Mexico and Tijuana stop putting all that
raw sewage into the Pacific Ocean that's become the Pacific

(01:30):
toilet of which has polluted all these beaches in southern
California and San Diego and made the poor Navy seals
training in that poor water sick. I had a friend
who listened to the show yesterday send me an overhead
pick of the beach right around this river from Tijuana
coming out of there. It is so disgusting to see
that brown stuff coming out of there. Anyway, Lee's Eldon.

(01:52):
He just sent the message down. I mean it was
this morning. We're done here. You're going to clean that up.
You know, they had they say that this is some
recent sewer treatment plant that broke down.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
They haven't had. That beach has been closed for a
thousand days, but they haven't done. They thought that, you know,
America would pay for their sewage treatment plant. No, not
only are we not going to pay for it, They're
going to pay for it, and they better do it fast.
And that is new vim and vigor coming out of
the e p A and the Secretary leez Elden, of
which I applaud. I thank you, uh Secretary of Leezelden,

(02:25):
because you have put job number one as.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Number one and there's no to do. I have been
complaining about that for the last three weeks.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
There's no environment to protect until you stop the Pacific
Ocean from being Mexico's sewer and making it the biggest
porta potty on planet Earth. It has to end, and
it looks like they're working on it. I was going
to do an occupy e p A. I was going
to go into the lobby and just sit there until
I was heard. But we've this show has been clearly

(02:56):
heard yea.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
So they're in the process of cleaning it up. Isn't
it funny, Greg that the Democrats and the liberal media
Joss can't get over Signal Gate. They continued to pound
administration officials about their take on this. This blow up
last night between Caitlyn Collins of CNN and represented to
our US Secretary of Veteran Affairs, Doug Collins, got entertaining

(03:19):
because all she wanted to do was ask him about
Signal Gate, and all he wanted to do was talk
about the A efforts.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
All right, well, Kaylen, send you and Dally.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
Do I want to talk about the VA I have
a question, as via secretary is Cabinet. I want to
ask you because I've been coherious about this because my
job is to take care of veterans, and I would
like to know why CNN is hostile to veterans, especially
one in Florida where you just had a five million
dollar defamation suit taking a fence at a veteran who
is trying to help people. In fact, one of your
employees actually said we're going to nail him. I have

(03:51):
a question for you, Kaitlin, is that and hoy still
and ployed? Are you really concerned about veterans? So if
we don't want to talk about veterans now you want
to talk about everything else. I like to here from
CNN as the Veteran Cabinet secretary, why CNN seems to
have a problem with veterans.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
Well, mister secretary, respectfully, My question was about whether or
not he was a member of the cabinet. We use
this and respectfully, I'm conducting the investigation and I do
have a lot of questions for you on veterans affairs,
but I don't think.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
What you want to do, subj What do you want
to do is cabinet answered? And if you want to
continue this like this, that's fine, But they're via employees
who are working very hard. They're veterans who get their
care from the VA, and they get their benefits from
the VA, and it does mean no good to spake
it on something that I've already asked an answer. So
I've asked and answer your question, why don't you answer mine?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I mean, that is a great exchange, and Secretary Collins
was fantastic what they're trying to do on almost any
of these MSNBC, CNN legacy media interviews invite them on
to come talk about a certain subject like veteran affairs.
But before they get to those questions, Greg, we want
to ask you about signal Gate and the American people
don't care and there are other stories out there that

(05:01):
they're missing.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, and so let me give you a couple examples.
I don't know if everyone's heard it, because certainly the
media is not going to report it. These European countries.
Remember when Zelensky left the White House and you saw
all these social media posts from all these heads of
state from Europe saying we support you, we support you,
were on your side. Well turns out rod they were.

(05:25):
Europe is walking back any plans to send troops to
Ukraine over what they call logistical hurdles and the US
the lack of US support. So all the support is
going to amount to nothing because what European nations would
rather do is send money to Russia for their oil
and gas, more than they've ever given Ukraine by way

(05:46):
of funds. And they're not going to commit any ground
troops because after all, it's not their job to protect Europe.
It's supposed to be the Americans, the ugly Americans that
they don't like. You know what else, they don't talk
about these gang members that were finally app you handed
and arrested in Virginia, Governor Younkin Pambondi Cash Pattel big
news commerce today that should be dominating the news, but

(06:08):
the Democrats don't want you to know anything about it.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
No they don't. As a matter of fact, this was
a top MS thirteen leader described as the worst of
the worst by Cash Pattel.

Speaker 8 (06:18):
This is what happens when you let good cops be cops,
and we're going to continue to let good cops be cops.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Across this country.

Speaker 8 (06:24):
President Trump gave us the executive decision to go after
and safeguard our communities. General BONDI is our worry of
justice leading that charge. Governor Youngkin, It's an honor to
be a partner in this operation with you and US
Attorney Sebert. This is the mandate we have right now.
We have an American dying every seven minutes from a
drug overdose. That is a national security crisis we have

(06:46):
not seen ever before. We have a woman or child
being raped every six and a half minutes in this country.
We have a homicide twice an hour. No part of
that metric is as safe and secure America.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
But thanks to the brave leadership of.

Speaker 8 (06:59):
This administration and the folks that you see here, we
are returning our communities to safety.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
So we too. What's going on Donald Trump and his
team making efforts to make our street safe. Big story
Europe saying, Ukraine, see you later. We don't care stories
that are being reported.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
I loved this, RFK Junior saying that, hey, I bureaucrats,
and there's a lot of them in HHS. They are
blocking and impeding the Secretary in his office from accessing
closely guarded databases that would help them understand the contents
the poison or not of certain ingredients. These bureaucrats, according
to Secretary of Health and Human Services RFK Jr. They

(07:39):
are protecting the very companies and food manufacturers that they
were there to monitor and to protect the US people from.
They're supposed to be making sure they're doing it right.
They're protecting those companies from the Secretary of Health and
Human Services. He's pairing back twenty thousand jobs there. He's
cutting three hundred million in DEI grants to California alone.

(08:02):
Until a judge, by the way, is going to probably,
you know, interrupt that. Speaking of judges, this will come
up at some point. US District Judge Julia Kobec, she
she wants to know. She's demanding from the state Department,
what data did you use when you decided that passports
can only identify someone as a male or female. So
another lawsuit where transgender people are now going to the

(08:24):
court saying Trump is saying that our passports have to
say male or female. That's all that they're recognizing, and
our rights are being violated. And sure enough, you've got
a district judge ready to play ball and rule that unconstitutional.
And that's going on. That says up today, that's happening.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
So stories you aren't hearing about. You're hearing about Signal Gate,
certainly a lot of that, but other stories that are
important to the American people and what's taking place in
this country, you aren't hearing about them. So talk here.
Except here we'll talk about him for sure. Steve Moore
will be joining us. Coming up next, talk about the
president's decision on tariffs on autos, cars, trucks made outside
the United SLIS States. That's coming up on the Rodd

(09:01):
and Gregg Show. We're talking about Susie Wilds. Of course,
this is what she had to say about her role
and her mission. That's what she had to say. This
is what she told Laura Trump today.

Speaker 9 (09:10):
Let me ask you about your overall goals for this
White House over the next four years. What do you
have in mind right now, we're very invested and involved
in a trade conversation. He's trying to settle a war.
These are heady, big things that are important not for now,
but for the future, rebuilding the American economy, getting all
these criminals out of our country, peace in the world.

(09:34):
I see my job as just sort of keeping the
trains on the tracks and running on time here so
that the subject matter experts and particularly the President and
the Vice President can do what they need to do
to fix the country.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Keep the trains on the tracks and make sure they
run on time. That's her number one job.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, she's so noturious for not saying a word, But
I guess it's when it's your boss's daughter in law says, hey,
I like interview. I guess I felt obliged. She I
think the whole administration is doing a phenomenal job. And
that's why. Then, recress all, they got left for judges.
They don't have a party, they don't have anyone in
Congress to do anything, they don't have anything to build,
anything to aspire towards. All they have are the and

(10:16):
they shop for these judges. Rod they go to courts
jurisdictions of Obama and Biden appointed judges to stop Trump
in his tracks.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, all right, Steve Moore is joining us. Now we'll
talk about the economy right now with Steve. Steve of
course the co founder of Unleashed Prosperity. He does a
great job and advisor to the president. Steve, thanks for
joining us. Let's get your take on the president announcing
tariffs on foreign made autos of twenty five percent. What
do you make of it, Steve.

Speaker 10 (10:43):
Well, I'm not a big fan of tariffs to begin with,
and I'm open minded to the idea of reciprocal terrorists
to try to get the other countries who reduce their
tariffs on us, and I think Trump will be successful
in that and that will lead to free aroundfare or trade.
I'm not a big fan of protectionist terrorists. I don't
think that I think they subsidized in efficiency, you know.

(11:05):
But I go back to the you know, you know,
late seventies eighties, when our autobi industry was in trouble,
back then when Japan was the big rival in terms
of making cars, and we tried to combat that with subsidies,
and what we found was that it's simply subsidized inefficiency
of our auto industry, and you know they've got to compete.

(11:27):
You know, that's that's all there is to it. And
you know we have ingenuity, and we have so much
to offer as a country, and we rebuilt our auto
industry after we get rid of a lot of the
auto terrorists. So I'm not a big fan of those.
I think they're going to raise prices for consumers. And
why is the President talking so much about terrorists when
he should be talking about cutting taxes.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I agree with you, but you know, being a child
growing up in Pittsburgh in the seventies and eighties, I
remember I.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Thought you were in Utah.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I am.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
I'm a Utah I'm a Utah guy now. But I
spent my formative hours.

Speaker 10 (12:02):
How old were you when you moved from Pennsylvania to I.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Was twenty one when I came here, So I spent yeah,
Southwest Pennsylvania, and I was I was. I was in
the seventies and eighties when I spent my time in Pittsburgh,
and I so I can tell you I know the
protectionist problems, and I know what the American built cars
look like versus the Hondas and things that steve the
difference for me, now there's two.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
One I really do.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Actually the main difference I guess I'll just land on
is I see, for instance, civics being built in Indiana.
I see some decisions being made like when Canada or
when Cadillac decided, we don't want to tear from China,
so we're going to build our cadillacts in China. Don't
you think now versus in the seventies and eighties, you're
going to see these foreign automakers domicile in this country

(12:51):
and to avoid those tariffs. And doesn't that net net
help our economy.

Speaker 10 (12:57):
It would, And you're right, that could be one of
the effects of these but here, we're going to reduce regulations, right,
that's good for bringing factories here. We're going to reduce
taxes that brings tax you know, factories here. We're going
to reduce energy costs that brings factories here. And we
have a pro business president. We don't need protectionist tariffs

(13:20):
to try to bring factories here. I think it's misguided.
I think by the way, you know, you talked about
growing up in you know, the Pennsylvania in Southwest Pennsylvania.
I grew up in Chicago, and I remember very vividly
one of my first kind of memories I have. My
parents we took a trip to Detroit and this was

(13:40):
in a sort of I don't know, early seventies. I
was about twelve years old at that time, and we
visited a bunch of these steel plants, and I remember
we went to the Kellogg's plant where they make cereal,
and we went to the Chrysler plant and those were
like the old fashioned you know, shells thick and sweatshops
back then. I mean it was that was in another word,

(14:01):
is there's this amazing Like I keep talking to these people,
Oh remember that heyday if the middle class was in
the nineteen seventies, when we had all these these you know,
factory jobs, those were not I remember thinking, oh my god,
I don't know what I want to do for a living.
I don't want to be one of these factories. You know,
fifty hours a week you go into the factories. Today,
they're so automated, and let's face it, at twenty years

(14:23):
from now, factories will all be run you know, all
the work will be run by robots. I mean, it's
just coming. This is inevitable. So I don't want to
look back in the mirror.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I want to look forward.

Speaker 10 (14:33):
We have to dominate in technology. We need a well
educated workforce, we need to you know, in robotics and
artificial intelligence, all these things that are change the world.
And I kind of feel like we're protecting the jobs
of the past, not creating the jobs of the future
with these tariffs.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Steve, I want to switch gears on another issue. Let's
talk about consumer confidence we have. We've seen surveys, some
polls come out showing that many people feel the country
is now headed in the right direction, about forty five
percent I think was the latest poll. But then we
see the numbers coming out on consumer confidence and people
are not as confident in the economy right now. What

(15:11):
do you make of those two, Steve? They seem to
contradict each other, don't they They do?

Speaker 10 (15:16):
And I think what's happening. And I'm not an expert
on public opinion Poland, but I think what's happening is,
first of all, there's a huge, huge, polarized opposite in
terms of how people answer those questions. Democrats are extremely
pessimistic and Republicans are optimistic. Because our guy won and
their guy lost.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Their lost.

Speaker 10 (15:37):
I should say and so, And that's the way it
was in the Biden years, where you know, every Republican
was completely despondent about this state of economy and only
about half of the Democrats were. So there's a partisan
divide here. I think a lot of Republicans basically think

(15:59):
that Trump policies will work. And I'm in that category
where I think we have. As I said earlier, I
think there's a way too much talk about terrorists and
not enough about the good stuff that he's doing. Because
I'm not a big tariff person, but we all trust
that Trump it's all going to turn out well, because
it turned out well the first time. Remember how well
the policies worked in twenty seventeen and twenty eight and

(16:22):
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty until we got hit with COVID.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
So you mentioned the taxes, and we talk about this
every week, and it's and I'm with you one hundred percent.
I mean, I don't know what there is to talk
about if that's not you know, step one, two and three,
assuming that that something's going to happen on that front. Well,
I think an issue with Health and Human Services and
RFK Junior that isn't getting as much attention right now.
Is he's prepared to downsize HHS by twenty thousand employees,

(16:49):
announcing that today and also cutting three hundred million in
gender DEI related health grants to California alone. So, but
my question is, so we're reducing the to spend again.

Speaker 10 (17:01):
Three hundred million dollars of DEI you know, grants to California, to.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
California alone alone. Yes, that's whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
And so I'm thinking to myself, Okay, if we can
just keep cutting the spending. I know we're not at
two trillion yet. I know everyone thinks every number we
mentioned isn't high enough yet. But if you just keep
doing this, can we get Can we get the spending
less which would actually help with inflation things like that?
Or are we just going to have judges that just
keep getting in the way of all of this? Every
time I see a progress or an announcement like this made,

(17:35):
I'm just setting my watch to the next federal lawsuit
that's going to put a roadblock in front of reducing
workforce canceling grants. When does are you worried about how
much of a roadblock the judiciary has become?

Speaker 10 (17:49):
Well, we had a cartoon in our hotline this morning
as a matter of fact that I'm sure you guys
read it because it comes out at ten am every morning.
But and people should get that. Just go down leashpus
thirty dot com and get it for free, to cost nothing.
But the cartoon was basically a district you know, a
guy sitting a robed guy sitting down in Dason. I'm
a district judge and here's my district. And it was

(18:09):
the whole United States. You know, No, you're in the district.
They're a little district. You know that they all think
feel like that they run the country, you know, from
the bench, and that's not the way it's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Steve Moore joining us on our newsmaker line. More coming
up on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio
one oh five nine k nrs. I love Greg how.
The Salt Lake Tribune reported today on the governor signing
the vote by mail changes. Right. Here's the line tucked
in the middle of a list of one hundred bills.
Governor Spencer Cocks Thursday signed HB three hundred. It was

(18:42):
tucked in the middle of bills like he was trying
to hide it. Yeah, really it wasn't. No, it was.
I mean, that's the Salt Lake Tribune for you. Well,
this bill makes a lot of changes in how we vote,
hopefully more secure. Remember at the beginning of the session,
we spoke with state Representative Jeff Burton about his election
reform bill. This has changed quite a bit, but there

(19:03):
are some changes being made and he's joining us on
our Newsmaker line right now. Representative Burton, thank you for
joining us your thoughts on this bill, the one that
the governor signed into law yesterday.

Speaker 11 (19:13):
Well, it brought us an improvement, and you know we
wanted more, but at the end of the day, it's
a good improvement. It improves Utah's standing with regard to
secure elections, and that's really what this is about.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
So the President had an executive order he wants he'd
like to see that there's state issued ID to register
to vote. He would like there not to be a
ballots counted or collected after election day, and there's some
other provisions for greater security, chain of custody in that
executive order. Maybe you could share with our listeners the
process that they will now go through to vote versus

(19:48):
before I know that there's a. It's not every mass
mailing unsolicited of ballots, but there's a there's a phase
in of this until twenty twenty nine, and so I
just like for listeners to hear, well, they still get
a ballot this coming you know, election season, and how
your bill will be different than the way they have
voted in the past. Start but starting now, not in

(20:08):
twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 11 (20:11):
Yeah, sure, so the bill is a phase in. We
did that purposely to get people comfortable with the new process.
We are cognitive the fact that Utah's like the vote
by mail option, but we believe that it should be
a positive election that you have to make. You have
to request or opt in if you will to vote

(20:31):
by mail, and so beginning in twenty six, you will
have to opt in to receive the ballot by mail.
Those will continue to come by mail. There's many different
ways to opt in. You opt in when you update
your driver's license. You can opt in online with your county,
and beginning in twenty twenty six, you will have to

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show or list on your voting materials in your packet
that you that you send back or as most Utons do,
drop in the ballot box. You'll have to have the
last four of your state issued ID, whether that be
a driver's license or a state issued ID card. The
other thing we're doing is providing free a state ID

(21:17):
to those who can prove citizenship. One of the criticisms
that folks thought as we were trying to suppress the vote,
and that's not true at all.

Speaker 12 (21:26):
We want everyone who's.

Speaker 11 (21:28):
Legally and lawfully a citizen in the United States and
here in Utah to be able to vote for trying
to make it as easy as possible. But beginning of
twenty sixth grade, you'll have to opt in to vote
by mail. The polling stations will be open like they
always have, and those will be run just like they
have in the past, which is you show up with
your ID, you're checked in, and you vote in person.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Representative Burton, we're talking with state Representative Jeff Burton on
the Rod and Greg Show right now. Representative the governor
has you know he called this bill brilliant. He said,
there are a lot of people in this stage who
will that we have mass fraud in our elections. Does
this take a step toward trying to eliminate as much
of that as possible?

Speaker 12 (22:06):
Do you feel, oh, absolutely.

Speaker 11 (22:09):
And one of the things I tell citizens when they
get upset that we might impact their convenience. Well, I
think foundational to our republic is this notion that our
elections are free, fair and secure, and so having to
provide little ID should not be that big of an imposition.
The other thing rod that we're doing in this bill
is we're getting after some of the messed up voter rules.

(22:32):
We had fourteen hundred dead people on voter rules. And
the other thing many people don't know is more than
four percent of our vote didn't count last election because
signatures could not be sure. That's more than twenty thousand votes.
And so what this bill does is gives county clerks
now the ID number, and then they can balance that

(22:53):
off the signature on the envelope as they need to.
It gives two forms of identification, if you will, even
though I would argue that signature were never ID aither
a way to kind of identify a person. But the
ID and the signature now give us those two authentication methods.
And we're also working hard to clean up these voter
roles so that we don't have people on there that

(23:14):
should not be on there.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know, representative.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I do think it is such an improvement over the
status quo what we've had before. And one of the
issues that I've always had is there was the collection
of ballots after election day was over. So you would
see a large county like Saltlake County, they would have
a number of ballots that needed to be counted, and
in every day subsequent from the election, on that Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
you saw the number of ballots still arriving, still coming in,

(23:39):
and it was sometimes for a while longer than you
would think you would take for a voter in Slay
County to mail something to the Salley County clerk. The
way the bill reads to me is that if it's
not in their hand and it's not there to count
on election night, it doesn't exist. So that puts the
onus on the voter to make sure buy whatever way
they'd like to vote, they've got to have that vote
in the hands of the clerk on election day by

(24:01):
the close of the polls at eight pm.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Is that right?

Speaker 10 (24:06):
Yeah's correct?

Speaker 11 (24:06):
And I mean we we clearly saw what happened last
election with the mishandling of of of many many ballots
out there that could have changed the results of the election.
So the bottom line is, in this bill, ballots must
be received by eight pm on voting night.

Speaker 12 (24:22):
And I got to tell you, I talked to a.

Speaker 11 (24:23):
Lot of voters and the thing that bothers them more
than anything, And if you look at all the polls
and the research, the analytics that have been done, voters
are most troubled by the fact that we can't call
an election on election night. And this bill will ensure
that we do that we're able to get that done,
that we can give citizens confidence that there aren't going
to be buckets of ballots found after election night because

(24:46):
the election is going to be called on election night.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Stay Representative Jeff Burton joining us on our Newsmaker line,
if there's one good thing coming out of that bill, Greg,
we may get results on election night. Wouldn't that be?

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, it's you know, there's thirty minut with twenty something million,
twenty two million people in Florida, they get election results
that they're that night.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Like when the polls close, they have election result.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I know, and that we are a state of three
and a half million people and we got to wait
literally two weeks plus to hear a result. So hopefully
that is going to change, because I agree represent Burton's
constituents who've spoken to him, I feel the same. The
longer it takes to get those results, the more you worry. Skullduggery. Yeah,
sure it could be out and about.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
They sure do, all right. More coming up on The
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Dine Kate and R asked, have you ever found yourself
in a situation, maybe in a broadcast situation because I
know you do broadcast work now, or a ad speaker
of the house, find yourself in a situation where you
start laughing and you can't stop. Yes, I have many

(25:49):
a time I have. I'm easy to get laugh.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I think the fact that you're not, You're not supposed
to laugh makes it harder to know because you're trying
to keep a straight face and you can't.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Because well, we have an example. This is apparently a
morning show on Fox nine wherever that TV station is
not sure, but this morning, this morning team had to
read a rather interesting story and guess what they couldn't
hold it well.

Speaker 13 (26:12):
More bodily functions in the news this morning. The next
time you pass gas, make sure no police are around.
A man in West Virginia faces assault charges after police
say he passed casts and fantasy the officer we don't laugh,
after the man was already arrested for tuy according to police,
reward of cruise.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
That didn't even get through this.

Speaker 14 (26:35):
He passed a guess so long in the opposite it
was quote very onerous and created and created contact of
an insulting or provoking nature.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
See that wasn't even right. That would put that story
in there was wrong.

Speaker 10 (26:52):
That was wrong.

Speaker 14 (26:54):
See when I was looking to the script, he's stuck
that in there.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I have a question. How does how does a fark
read contact?

Speaker 15 (27:04):
I don't know, but it makes.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Me laugh because I've seen a video of someone that
was on a plane where somebody would have been guilty
of this crime but there was not. Yes, someone says,
whoever is farting, please stop. It's smelly and people are
just dying. They've got their shirts over their faces, and
it's uh. And that is I don't know if that's

(27:29):
happening on a plane, rod, but it's happened to me
where somebody there is no window to wind down. That
is that is cruel and inhuman that should be a
that should be a felony, that should be a crime.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
But yeah, several incidents in my broadcast career over the
over the years where something comes up and you just
start and it may not be a fart, it could
be something else, but you just get laughing. And the
hardest thing is you try and control it and you can't.
So why not just let it go?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I know? You know, sometimes you're just in an environment
where you're supposed to be straight faced and it's.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
But this never happened to you when you were like
leader of the Utah House. No it someone in the
legislature did something stupid. You noticed it and just started laughing.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Well trying to hold it, yeah, which makes it even
harder to do. Yeah, I know it's happened. It's happened,
but it's uh, you get through it.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, some state officials here in the great
State of Utah very upset today by the announcement that
Sundance is leaving. I'm not are you upset a nearby
We'll get your reaction to that. Let you hear some
of the reactions that's going only all coming up our
number two, A rotting great shows. Stay with us, all right,

(28:40):
A lot to get to today. Should we start singing no, no, Nana, hey,
hey goodbye?

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
We could do we need to, you know, I yeah,
we can't. We could look this this whole You know,
the Sundance Film Festival is going to leave Utah. It's
you know, it's it was started here, it's been here
for forever. It's going to Boulder, which we can get
into that if you want to.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, we need to because they understand where they're going.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, because Boulder is kind of a funny site to
choose from. But but look, I went through this when
the outdoor retailers used to come twice a year uh
to Salt Lake City threatened the legislature that if we
kept pursuing our lands issues federal you know, having federal
the federal control of our lands and trying to actually

(29:26):
have state control of our lands, that they were going
to pull the outdoor retailers out of the state of Utah.
A speaker at the time, and we don't represent outdoor retailers,
we represent constituencies, and so it wasn't going to change
our position on public policy. So my comment back then
was you stick to making coats and we'll stick to
public policy and we'll stay in our lanes.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Good luck to you.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
And they were receiving taxpayer money to come here too,
the outdoor retailers were. So you have the same scenario
repeating itself now where during the session you had Sundance
Film Festivals saying if you run that flag if bill,
the flag bill that says you just have the American
flag Utah flag and you're not going to run other
flagging and if you do that, and there might have

(30:08):
been some other bills too, we're not going to choose
Utah uh for our future festivals. And I think you
had a couple of lawmakers that said, similar to what
I said back when I did. It's saying, you know what,
we represent our constituents, not you. You know, go have
yourself out accolades about your own movies somewhere else if
you don't like what we're doing. But we're going to
continue to do what we do. So that now is

(30:30):
today they're going to Boulder, Well, Boulder, I don't know
if you've ever been to Boulder. First off, if you
don't have your own plane, which a lot of these
self important Hollywood types do, so they can all take
their own private jets there. Good luck getting there otherwise,
because I kid you not. You could literally drive to Boulder,
which is like a ten hour drive, as fast as
it would take you to get a flight from from

(30:51):
Salt Lake to Denver, the layover, then the flight into Boulder.
It's about the same amount of time. And everyone in Boulder,
they are they they think the world of themselves. This
is a very very place, This is a very bougie place.
They they are elitists, elitists. So when all the people
come raining down for this film festival, who also feel

(31:12):
like they're pretty a pretty big deal, it'll be like
splitting the atom watching the self important versus the self
important in this tiny town try to hold this festival.
I don't know much like the outdoor retailers have come
come crawling back to Salt Lake after a you know,
a stunt in a stint rather in Denver. I don't
know that Boulder is going to hold that that film

(31:34):
festival festival very long, because that's a tough joint to
get along in, and I don't think the people in
Boulder want to be inconvenience too much. You're gonna see
it's gonna be fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Like I said, all the self important people fight.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
With each other.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Can we can we put put on some perspective to
this as well. They have been talking about moving this
long before the Pride flag came up exactly.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I mean, it was an RFP they were, they were
accepting proposals from the cities.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
They were looking for proposals. They looked at Cincinnati, they
looked at Boulder, they looked at staying here in Park City.
But the media, of course, after that, was it Deadline
that reported that now that the Pride flag bill was passed,
and it's really not a pride flag bill, It's more
of a political bill type thing. But they were, you know,
all of a sudden that became the number one issue.

(32:20):
Well it really wasn't. From what I've read so far today.
Boulder was offering them unbelievable taxing incentives. You know, they
got a sweet deal from Bolder. The state of Utah
was in that flight as well. But I think they've
been here, what Greg forty years? Forty years, so you know,
if they want to go, go, that's my opinion. I mean,

(32:41):
you've been I've never been to a film at the
Sundance Film Festival and then leaving I don't care.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I don't either. And here's the thing. They have it
and different they have some of those like the Rose
Wagner Theater would have a premiere, and you'd have some
in Salt Lake City have in Park City.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Here.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Bottom line is this Utah is not lacking tourism and activities.
During the time that in February that this would be
blocked out for this film festival, there is plenty of
economic activity that will take its place, rooms that will
be booked, activity that will happen, and in fact, people
a lot of people will be able to access the
skiing and the tourism a lot better without it being here.

(33:19):
But what I think is the more important issue is
for those that think, because I've heard some criticism about
stay lot makers who told the film festival, if you
don't like it, there's the door, and they thought that
was not very good to do. It's what was not
very good to do is for the film festival to
get into our the legislative session and tell elected lawmakers

(33:41):
how to vote. And when you said, if you don't vote,
if you don't vote this way, here's your ultimatum.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
If you don't do this, if you don't do it
the way we.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Want you to do it, then we're going to leave
and we're going to punish you economically. I think you're
almost morally obligated at that point to do exactly the
opposite of what they're saying, for fear that someone would
mistake your vote for giving in to threats and ultimatums,
which is not good leadership and is not what we do.
And so I think once they stepped into that world

(34:08):
and they started demanding, making demands on how the legislature
and it's a duly elected representatives and centers were supposed
to vote, once they went there, that was it. You
can just go. I mean, it's exactly what we said
to the outdoor retailers. You stick to what you do,
will stick to what we do. And I'm telling you,
I don't think our economy in Utah. You saw it

(34:29):
shrink when the outdoor retailers left it. Again, that's two
eight events a year, twice a year, and you will
see Utah rebound very well. And I'd rather see the money. Frankly,
there's money that the state gave to that film festival
every year. I'd rather see our film production. There's more jobs,
there's more economic heft and lyft on the Hallmark movies

(34:50):
that come out. The chosen that wants to do more
production days in Utah. There are some films, Western films
that want to come here. Kevin Costner loves this state.
There's a lot of jobs. There's a lot of hardware,
you know, lumber yards to get cleaned out for you know,
their sets and everything else. There is so much economic
lift to the production movies. Let the festival that where
they all backslap each other and tell each other how

(35:11):
great they are. You can go somewhere else. Let's have
the economy of film production here. Our state has a
long history of film production.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well, and the thing, here's what social media is doing today.
These are the two men who forced Sundance to leave.
Looking at Trevor Lee and Dan McKay sponsoring the house.
We're in the Senate about this Pride Flag bill. Now,
why you need to understand about this in this quote
Pride Flag Bill is it deals with all political statements.
So I wonder if they left today or made the

(35:38):
announcement to leave today, if someone was hanging a maga
flag in their classroom.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, they should because they want that MAGA flag in there.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, obviously that's what they wanted. Yeah, Nah, they didn't.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
And I, like I said, as soon as they decided
to dip their toe into that world where they were
going to try and dictate to a legislature and it's
duly elected members how to vote or what to vote on,
that's that's where, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, that's where that's where they're done.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
Well.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
The mayor of mayor of Salt Lake County, Jenny Wilson, surprise,
she's saddened by the news today. She said, how can
they leave Robert Redford's home? Apparently she used to work
with Sundance Film Festival, so she's upset, and there are
some other people who are upset. There's some money there.
But like you said, Greg, we're a great state. We
can attract money. I'm not worried about that issue issue

(36:27):
at all. You know, we may not see a lot
of pips around anymore, meaning people in black you know,
because because because they're all going to Park City. But
I don't think anybody's gonna miss them. I wonder for
our audience it feels the same way yep.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just think this, this economy, this tourism industry, everything's
going to just keep going the right trajectory.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
It's going to go up.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
And if they don't want to be a part of it,
block they're Boulder. But I'm telling you they're gonna they're
so shoehorned in this tiny town that's gonna last for
I don't think it's gonna last very long. They'll come,
they'll come crawling back.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
All right, let's listen to uh, let's see what our
listeners think tonight on this subject. Sundance says they're going
to Boulder. Are you upset by this? Eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five seven
o eight zero one zero, or on your cell phone,
all you do is have to dial Pound two fifty
and say, hey, Rod, your calls and comments coming up
right here on the Rodding Gregg Show. All right, we're
taking your calls right now on that as well. Eight

(37:20):
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero, or
on your cell phone, dial Pound two fifteen, say hey Rod,
let's get your reaction to this announcement by the folks
behind the Sundance Film Festival today, and they're going to Colorado.
Good for them. Let's go to Matt on I eighty
tonight and get his thoughts. Matt, thanks for joining in
the Rotten Gregg show.

Speaker 12 (37:38):
Hey, thanks guys. Me and my partners own a venue
in Park City that posts one of their one of
the Sundance Key events every year, and in a matter
of two nights we make well over six figures and
it covers our nut for all of our expenses for

(37:59):
the year. Really but me, but me and my partners,
we say good rids. We would we don't. We don't
believe in people holding this hostage. We believe in our values,
what California refugees. We moved here to be part of Utah,
and yeah we don't. We don't want to. We don't

(38:21):
want to deal with that. We've also rejected groups like
the Lincoln Project who had offered to leave our face
and said no, we don't good, we don't support you people.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
W Matt, thank you for calling. You're a patriot.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
I love that you have principles and you came here
and you you want to see Utah stay Utah. And
for all those whether it's that Sundance Film festvor the
Lincoln project. What a bunch of uh just negative bad
people that are up there, and I know they live
up there, but thank you for drawing a line in
the sands and showing our listeners that that can be done.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I see, yeah, go ahead, Matt.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Can I say one more comments?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (38:56):
So.

Speaker 12 (38:56):
I'm I'm involved in the film industry and I completely
agree with Grigg's comments. Citizen Hughes, that's the money that
we have that goes towards Sundance, we should lobby to
get that to go towards the film industry because that
actually benefits our real communities. That brings way more tourism

(39:16):
here than Sundance does, which is frankly a dyeing festival always.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
All right, man, thank you, very good point. And you
make that point. I mean, if you have a film
that is being made here, you've got carbon doers who
are building sets, You've got caterers who are feeding them.
You know, hotels are taken. I mean they spend money here, right, real.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Money down to like ems and people that have shifts
that work that can make a lot. Being on sets
and being there when that's happening. You see so much
economic lift when you see a production happen, and Utah
is a highly sought after place, and our state doesn't
even have to provide some of the incentives or as
high as incentives that other states do, because we have
a lot lot going for us. But boy, I'll tell

(39:56):
you what that point is is the right one. Is
that we we'll see more from film production. And this
state has a long, long history of successful film production
down to John Wayne, you know, and Ronald Reagan and
Frank Sinatra and you name it. We've always had a
good film industry and that has always brought i mean
blocks out of hotels. They'll take hold, you know, for

(40:18):
long periods of time. It's just it's the way to go,
especially in Royal Utah.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
You want to hear something funny about all of this, Yeah,
you know I've been telling you about this series on
AMC called Dark Wins. Yes, it's shot on the Navajo
res Indian reservation down in the southwest corner of the state.
A lot of Utah scenes in there. Guess who's producing it?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Who?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Robert Redford.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Well, his money spends I guess you know, we'll get
more out of that production if that's done in Utah.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Then in the film Festival.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
He was in a brief scene in one of the episodes.
The other night, my wife and I were watching and does.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
He look old? Yeah, well he's like a hundred.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Now, So let's go back to the phones. Let's go
to Alan here in Salt Lake City. Alan, Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Oh, thanks for having me. I was worked up in
Park City for a lot of years during the film festival,
and it was great when skiing had just barely started.
I'm been a resident of Utah for twenty five years.
But one of the problems with film Festival in Park
City is the ski resorts are going to be happy
they're gone. They don't buy ski passes, and the restaurants
are going to be happy that they're not in there

(41:21):
because all day long they have nothing to do with
but ski up there, and they don't ski, so they
stad at the restaurants and they can't turn tables. All
they're doing is drinking coffee and so other than the
hotel occupancy, which Utah gots now, we don't need them
for hotel occupancy anymore. Other than that, there wasn't a
lot of draw to have them up there anyway. To
be honest, with you, so good riddance and hats off

(41:42):
to the person that held the conventions. That's really the
only thing that comes from sun Dance is big festivals
or just the big conventions they have there and the
few things, but in between the days the rest of
the time, they're of no use to Utah.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Wow wow, interesting perspec Yeah, real interesting thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
So let's go to Jason in Salt Lake City. Jason,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Ronn and Greg show.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
What say you?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Hey there?

Speaker 16 (42:06):
I worked for an executive car service and service industry,
and Sundance is a busy time of the year, but
I honestly think it would be a blessing to just
not have them here. Good riddence, blah blah blah, because
it's like they they they don't really do a lot
for anybody else, and all the locals seem to not

(42:30):
care about the money and whatnot. It's just it's it's
it's I'm only for twenty years and it just seems
to be just a whole lot.

Speaker 12 (42:37):
Of I don't know.

Speaker 16 (42:41):
That was good news when I heard it. I don't
I don't know what everybody else good news?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Hey, Jason, let me ask you do you. I don't
know how much of a boost it does to your
revenue picture when they're here, but will you be able
to recover that money? Are you worried about that at all?

Speaker 10 (42:56):
No, not at all.

Speaker 16 (42:57):
Whenever we have some nance come through, we get a
certain amount of extra cars. We own a certain amount
of cars, but we get a certain amount of extra
just rented for that to utilize because we know we'll
be able to. With all that being said, Uh, park
City by itself is already a popular destination. You get

(43:20):
better clients, you get better tippers. In general, for service industry,
it's it's a better vibe overall. I just kind of
feel like we're just used and abused when they come through,
and it really really doesn't affect are our annual income
that much?

Speaker 12 (43:38):
We can we can definitely.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Make it up, all right, Jason, that's a good point.
We're used and abused. And that's what Hollywood did. They
use Park City as their playground. They tied up traffic,
tied up restaurants, tied up the ski resorts. Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Those three callers all had a touch on that financially
through their businesses, and all three said basically more hassle
than they're worth. And if they're gonna they're gonna continue on.
And we do see a robust uh and you know,
tourism industry and park city resorts and their ski lists
and their restaurants and their hotels are going to do
just fine.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I believe that. I absolutely believe.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I don't think it's scares anybody. You know, the some
of the more liberal politicians and people involved in it
panicking today, Oh.

Speaker 17 (44:16):
What do we go do?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
What do we go do?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Guess what? Folks will survive?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
You know why the liberals are upset because that's those
are their spirit animals, those Hollywood typers. Yeah, that's who
they look to like. They want to be accepted by them.
They want to be liked by them. Now they're going
to Boulder and it meets it means they're being rejected
by them. They can't handle it. But guess what, they're
not the everyday utahs. They're not any of our callers
that just called in and knows what's going on up there.

(44:40):
So I and I'm going to tell you folks, they're
going to come back. They're going to say, you know what,
come to think of it? Would you have us back.
I hope we're in a position where it wouldn't it
doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I hope we go no things.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
You know, I had a thought on this way. One
of our callers mentioned, skiers are now looking at this.
They haven't come to Utah for a couple of years
because they've they came here once during the festival and
it was a mess. Yes, right. They couldn't get they
couldn't get a hotel room, they couldn't drive, they couldn't ski.
Right now they're saying they're gone. Let's go back to
Utah in January and enjoy the greatest honors. Wow, all right,

(45:14):
more of your calls coming up eight eight eight five
seven o eight zero one zero, triple eight five seven
o eight zero one zero, or on your cell phone,
dal pound two fifty and say hey, run all right.
Big news of the day for a lot of people.
The media is playing this one up big time about
the Sundance Film Festival announcing today that they are leaving,
going to Boulder, Colorado. Of course, the media likes to
play in the fact that because Utah lawmakers passed the

(45:37):
so called Pride Flag Bill, that's one of the reasons
they're leaving. But they've been talking about this for several
months now.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
So well, I just think it's a match made in heaven.
Wait till all the self important Boulder residents meet all
the self important Hollywood types. But what I really want
to hear because I have loved our listeners. You've listeners,
You've been so great in great sharing perspective, like really
front row seat perspective. So let's cut back to the
phones and hear what our listeners have to say about
the idea that the Sundance will be leaving. Let's go

(46:06):
to Wayne, who is on I eight A I eighty
right now, Wayne, thank you for joining us on the program.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
Hey, Roddy Glenn all right.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
See has already started, Wayne, Wayne, He's gonna never let me.
He's gonna call me Glen forever. Yeah, like Glenn Beck.

Speaker 12 (46:23):
Yeah, I got the tea right anyway, that's right?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
You sure did? What say you?

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Hey? Used to uh? I used to drive up there,
like for four years. I did Sundance Film Festival, doing transportation,
ground transportation for executive services and all types of things.
And honestly, as far as just people, they always they
want to look at they put this number on how
much the festival pulls in over the you know, roughly

(46:52):
two week period. But I don't think people comprehend just
how much money comes through Parks City in a two
week period. Anyways, during the peak of the ski season,
and during that two week period, it's it's replaced, just
replaced by festival people. The ski resorts they're empty, the
hotels are filled up. And really the type of people
that are coming in. I mean, we had places where

(47:13):
you had your people paying normal high hotel rooms and
a lot of these people people in a hotel room
and it's almost like they're a little groupies going to
the thing to party on main Street and hoping to
see some celebrity. But it's not our usual real money

(47:34):
that comes through Park City. I think we'll make it
up just fine.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, I believe.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
You know, there are a certain group in this state,
and I've always felt this, Greig, I've never understood this.
Utah has this just it's in their gut. They just
want to be accepted. Yes, he had that feeling. You're
from out of state. I'm from out the state.

Speaker 10 (47:57):
We grow.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Just want to be accepted. So by inviting Sundance over
the the last forty years to be in this state. Hey,
we're finally accepted. We're cool, We're part of the mainstream.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
We're the cool kids. We're the cool kid.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Yeah, we're Have you had that feeling because I've always
thought Utah has this chip on his shoulder that they
just want to be accepted. Don't worry about that.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, there's been some some signaling of certain things that
go on here where people put some kind of stock
to it that if you get outside of Utah, people
don't think of it that way all that much. What
I love that that that Wayne just pointed out was
that you've got a lot of groupies. You've got a
lot of people that want to, you know, start, they
want to see the stars, they want to do all
of that, and but what you're missing, what they miss

(48:40):
is if absent that that you know, the crowd's coming
to see who they can see, you have people that
are there to ski, to vacation, to to recreate. And
I believe, I completely believe that the amount of money
and economic lift that's going to happen in that those
areas that happens before and after the Sundance Film Festival
arrives or leaves that that's going to be replaced and

(49:02):
it's going to be probably more economically viable for a
park city and for the state of Utah. I don't
think we're going to lose anything from this film festival
at all. And again I want to parlay the dollars
that the state is given because they have put money
as a way of economic return to the Sundance Film Festival.
They got very aggressive over the years and asking the
state for appropriations. You put that money and put that

(49:24):
towards the incentives of film production and the state, and
that is true economic growth. And the more production we
have here, the more those those industries stay and they
it's not seasonal, it becomes constant, and you'll see those
industries grow and grow.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Those are jobs.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Those are industries that you'll see not just for some
Sundance Film Festival for some number of days a year,
but you'll see film production as it grows become a
year round endeavor, which again would take an economic sector
in Utah and make it stronger, which would be which
will eclipse what we're seeing here at this festival.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
And we just want to caution you, folks, because the
story you'll here to they're going to blame it on
the flag bill. Pride fla the media in this town saying,
you know, if we wouldn't have had that bill, we
wouldn't have to worry about it. Well, you know what,
that had nothing to do with it in my opinion,
because I think the Sundance folks they've been looking around
for quite some time. They narrowed it down to three cities, Cincinnati, Boulder.

(50:18):
In here, they've been here for years. They decided to
go to Boulder.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
You know, the day that they decided to tell the
legislators send ultimatums to our general session and our legislators
was the day they need to leave because they've overstepped
their bounds. They are outside their lane. You go make
films and congratulate each other and tell each other how
special you are. Lawmakers go there and represent the people
in pass laws.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, like hear from you eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero triple eight five seven eight zero
one zero. Here's one of our good listeners. His name
is Alanie Road. He said, Rod and Greg. My wife
works up in Park City. She says, let them go.
As Greg said, the outdoor show went to Colorado, but
came back after their tantrum. There will be more room

(51:00):
for skiers, and the Liberals will soon learn another hard lesson.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
They sure will. There's two things.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
We'll be fine, we're gonna actually do you better than fine,
And then Boulder is going to be tortured. They really are.
They're not gonna have any time for each other. They're
gonna be They're just gonna be just at each other's throats.
That'll actually be fun to watch. It'll probably make something.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Do they have much of an airport in Boulder?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
You have private airstrip, You gotta drive. You got to
drive from Denver to get there. It takes forever. That
is not an easy town to get to. I'm telling you,
it's notice place to get to. And if you don't
have your own private jet, good luck. It takes a
long time to get from Denver to Boulder. It's not
a convenient town to get to, all right.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Have a small town, Yeah, small town, that's what you're
telling me. More to come up, and more of your
phone calls eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone. I'll pound two to fifty and
say hey, Rod. When we come back, we'll tell you
about somebody who should be leaving as well. We'll explain
you're on the Rodding Greg, Joe. Let's get your reaction
and do it. A lot of people out there are going, Okay,

(52:02):
see you later, you'll be coming back. My guess is
they will. Let's go to Jim in Corin tonight here
on the Rodding Greg Show and get to his laugh
high Jim.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Hi, how are you doing? Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
You're welcome. What's on your mind? Jim? What do you
say about this?

Speaker 18 (52:19):
The content of the Sundance films is not UTAH value
and it will not be missed. The videos that they
broadcast are anti UTAH.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I totally agree, Jim, I do thank you for the call.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
It used to be that you could watch the Academy Awards,
talk about a different award show the Academy Awards, and
you'd recognize the nominees and the movies that they were
going to be that were up for Academy Awards for Oscars.
I don't maybe I'm just I don't recognize any of
these shows anymore, and none of these movies.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Do you know who won this year.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I can't think of it. I can't remember the name.
I know, but I can't remember the name of the
the film.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Every time I see nowadays, whatever wins, it's nothing anyone's
ever seen. There's no box office success with those movies.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I think it's true the content. I just think the
content of films generally has just gotten so far out there.
The general public doesn't even track anything.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
You know what they should do? Now, if Hollywood were
smart doing two award ceremonies, one about the fans favorite
and then one about Hollywood's favorite, Yeah, because they'd be
totally different.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I do that on Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
They'll have like the fan ratings and all the critics,
and I always go with the fan raids.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
That's gonna dug In and Dugan, is it dug in In.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Tuila Dougin or dug In Dugan?

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Welcome, Dugan Dugan, Welcome to the Ronn and Greg Show.
What say you, sir, It's a pleasure.

Speaker 19 (53:49):
To talk to you.

Speaker 10 (53:49):
Guys.

Speaker 19 (53:50):
Hey, you just said a moment ago. They they'll be back,
and I don't think they will. Sundance started forty odd
years ago in dance not in Park City to get
out grow sundance very quickly, and so they moved it
down the road to Park City. I'm an uber driver

(54:11):
during during sundance. I've done that for three years, and
it is a nightmare to kick anybody up or to
even get to them and then get them to their
dinner appointment. It can take an hour and a half
just to get the ride and then get them five
blocks down the road to where they want to go.
And I mean, there's nothing but complaints for how hard

(54:34):
it is to get around in Park City because it's
not built for those kinds of crowds.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
So, Dukee, I got to ask you a question because
I think everything you're saying sounds familiar, and I think
you're exactly right. So how in the world are they
going to the small town of Boulder colar ratt What
will happen there? Are they trying to just burn off
more crowds and have less people attend? I mean, how
is what you just describe going to work in a
smaller city liking Colorado, Boulder, Colorado? What what will that

(55:02):
look like?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Do you think?

Speaker 4 (55:04):
You know?

Speaker 19 (55:05):
I I've never uber driven in Boulder, so I can't
tell you how that will go, but I do know
what a nightmare has been up to Park City. So
any other excuse they give as to why they're leaving
is nothing, but it's not the real reason.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Yeah, I love the call. Thank you for your call.
It's good observation.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Yeah, du good and thank you. You know what, no
one has brought up the fact that the apparently this
is a city of Boulder, offered them tons of money
and tons of cash.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
They're gonna be so there's gonna be so much traffic.
They're just gonna it's just gonna be fun to watch. Yeah,
it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
And I think most most common sense Utahn's greg over
the years just no, avoid Park City for two weeks.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
That's right, it's not.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Worth going up there.

Speaker 10 (55:50):
I I do.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I think that it is going to be.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
It's being so overstated and and with a negative you know,
narrative that that this is pad for Utah and we're
going to be heard Economically, You've heard from all of
these great colors who aren't just speculating. The other people
actually have front row seats, are part of it, or
have been part of it. They're assuring us that what
we're talking about is right this this state is going

(56:13):
to continue to see an upper trajectory and tourism on
economic development, all of that, and we'll probably be better
off without the sishi crowd, the self important crowd, you know,
taking up all the all the room, you.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Know, the only ones that are going to be said,
people have nothing to do and go up there to
star watch. Yeah, they go up there see if they
can get a picture with somebody or see a star
up there. They're going to be the ones that missed
this thing.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
The libs to you know, the leftists that live here.
They just to your point, they just want to be liked.
They want to be part of the cool kids club.
And now they're they're not getting to be part of
that club. So they're all sad.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Now imagine as we're going to our break, someone else
who maybe should consider leaving. Yes, have you heard this story?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I don't think I have.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Do you know who Nancy Wilson is from Heart? Yes?
I know her, Yeah, know of her. I know her
sister and remember her sister's name? Was it all? Right? Well,
Nancy apparently is getting a lot of backlash for something
she had to say over the last couple of days,
she apparently did an interview with the Milwaukee newspaper up there,

(57:16):
and she is she said, quote, she is embarrassed to
be an American. I like I thought they were, but
maybe not. I'm sad she's why is she embarrassed? She
just thinks Democrats Donald Trump, with Donald Trump in the
White House, she is embarrassed. No, it's not the Republican.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
No, she loves Donald Trump. She's embarrassed Democrats. That's how
I'm going to take it, because I like Nancy Wilson.
I don't want to think she's a commie, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Geezed again? Who's holding anyone here? Do you say this
is here? This isn't East Germany or whatever?

Speaker 1 (57:50):
This isn't there's a wall, Well, there is a ball
down on this.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Well, that's a good one. They're free to go leave.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I don't know. I don't understand stars complain about being
here when when they have the wherewithal to go live
somewhere else. Although I don't know. Do you think Rosie
o'donald's going to be able to stay in Ireland?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I hope she does.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I think they're going to ask her to leave. Hope
she does I'm here in rumors. I think they're already
tired of her. Really, yeah, yeah, they're just she's she's
already worn out her welcome.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Out, Bros.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I'm hearing?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Is that what you're hearing?

Speaker 15 (58:21):
Contact to the ground. Your contact is already annoying the
daylight apparently, and I is hard on tour era watches
and stuff. Do you know if they're on tour?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
They are.

Speaker 20 (58:32):
I just saw them here at the Maverick Center about
three weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Oh, they were just here.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I wonder if she was humiliated to be here three
weeks ago. I wonder if she was hating America at
the concert.

Speaker 20 (58:41):
Well, by the way, they are, they are not Canadian.
They were born in oh Okay, in Oregon for some reason.
I dad was in the Marines. They bounced all over,
so they did spend time in Canada. But they are American. Okay, okay,
they're Americans. But she's embarrassed to be an American. And
you know what we say to people like that, bye bye.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah bye bye.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
I do.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
I just don't think there's anything keeping you here. You
can just go wherever you want. If you're in that
class of people, you don't get you don't get to cry,
we don't.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Get to go coming up. Elon Muskin and his team
have talked to Brett Bair today the rather interesting thing.
We'll let you hear those comments, but next the judicial
insurrection taking place in America. Stay with us. Now. We
have talked a lot about the what the judicial system
is trying to do with Donald Trump and every move

(59:28):
he makes, someone is going to court and some liberal
judge is blocking it, a district judge who really has
no jurisdictional authority over any of this that the president
is trying to do. But here they are issuing these
injunctions stopping the Trump train from rolling on.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Yeah, yes, yesterday Trump a judge says that Trump's administration
must take in the refugees and pay for all their housing.
So all that that they were going to not do.
By the way, no such thing was ever instructed of
the Biden administration when they decided to change it the
other way, nobody ever got involved. Now, then this morning
a judge decided that she said, I don't know why
you're only allowing for male or female on passports. You're

(01:00:06):
gonna have to show the science behind it. It's called chromosomes.
I don't know what the judge wants to find there,
But again, the judges are just it's all the Democrats
have and they are just the loan roadblock.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
this right now is John Daniel Davidson. John as a
senior correspondent with a federalist he's been writing about this today. John,
Before you get into the details of some of the
things you're pointing out, what is your overall assessment as
to what is going on right now?

Speaker 21 (01:00:33):
John, Well, since Trump took office, we've seen a whole
host of federal judges at the district level, especially concentrated
in Washington, DC and other very blue districts in the country,
a cadre of anti Trump judges issuing temporary injunctions or

(01:00:54):
universal injunctions or restraining orders that are designed to thwart
and really Trump's agenda on everything from immigration enforcement to
military policy, to USAID grants to various reform of climate initiatives.

(01:01:16):
Very very specific orders and injunctions from these judges that
affect almost every part of Trump's agenda, the agenda that
he ran for president on and promised to enact if
he won the White House. And so that's why I
call it a judicial insurrection. This is the federal judiciary,

(01:01:37):
the inferior court judges, asserting authority over the executive branch,
and that constitutes a constitutional crisis.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
John, let me ask you, the American people have got
to be looking at this and saying, hey, we voted
for this guy to get in there and do things,
and one or two, or three or ten judges are
preventing him from doing so. I mean, how do you
think the American people are viewing what's going on here?

Speaker 21 (01:02:04):
I think for people who supported Trump and who supported
the agenda that he ran on, it's a huge slap
in the face. It's essentially the judges telling the American
people you can't make decisions about these things. These things
you can vote for whoever you want. But these policies,

(01:02:26):
whether it's DEI in the military, or taxpayer funded climate
change grants to all these different countries around the world,
or cracking down on illegal immigration and deporting violent gang members,
those are things that you are not allowed to weigh
in on. You are not allowed to have a say

(01:02:47):
in what federal policy is. And it exposes the fact
that the administrative state, an unelected federal bureaucracy, has been
running this country for a long time. Trump represents a
threat to that. And as he goes to war with
the federal bureaucracy, the judges are now coming to weigh
in on the side of the unelected bureaucracy. And I

(01:03:10):
really think it is it's not just a slap in
the face to American voters, it's a blow against American democracy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Why do you think the courts are doing all they
can to defend the deep state? John, Why are they
doing this?

Speaker 21 (01:03:23):
Well, the deep state itself is a creation.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
This goes back.

Speaker 21 (01:03:26):
You know, there's some history here, goes back more than
a century to the Progressive project, goes back to Woodrow
Wilson and really got going with FDR during the Great Depression.
And the idea was that they would create an administrative
state that was outside of the parameters of the constitution,
that would use executive authority, that would use legislative you know,

(01:03:51):
lawmaking power, and it would kind of be a government
and a system unto itself, unelected, not subject to the
changing wins of public opinion. And the people who created
this were very explicit about it, and you know, unfortunately
we have progressive, left leaning judges who are on board

(01:04:13):
with this ideology. They don't think, you know, they'll invoke
separation of powers, but really what they believe in is
this fourth branch of government, the unelected federal bureaucracy created
over the last century, should have the right to rule
as it ceased fit. This is rule by experts, and
the judges have come down on their side.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
John, Can either Congress or the Supreme Court do anything
to stop this? Somewhere along the line, someone's got to say,
you don't have the authority to do this.

Speaker 21 (01:04:43):
Well, the Supreme Court should step in. Remember these these
inferior court federal judges are not created by the Constitution.
They're they're not part one of the coequal branches of government.
They were created by Congress. They could be disbanded by Congress.
They were created by Congress because there's too many cases

(01:05:05):
for the Supreme Court to hear them, all right, But
these district judges are not you know, when we talk
about three separate but equal branches of government, we're talking
about the Congress, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court, not
district court. So the Congress could step in and impeach
these judges. The Supreme Court could have stepped in a

(01:05:27):
couple of weeks back and ruled against this federal judge
who ordered the Trump administration to reinstitute reinstate two billion
in usaid payments to overseas countries and entities. But the
Supreme Court has not done that, and that's a big
problem because they're threatening their own legitimacy at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Look into your crystal ball, John, where do you see
this ending up right now?

Speaker 21 (01:05:51):
I think the Trump administration has actually been as deferential
as it's possible to be toward the federal judiciary. But
if we keep going down the road that we're going
down and the Supreme Court doesn't step in and reign
in these inferior court judges, the president may have no
choice but to do what presidents at past crisis points
in our history have done, and that is to say,

(01:06:14):
the judiciary is not the only branch of government that
can interpret the Constitution. They are treading on executive branch
article to authority, and we're going to ignore the courts.
And I think if nothing changes, we're heading toward that
impast right now, which is which is a you know,
it's not a place where anybody wants to be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You know what, Greg, I think I find very very
interesting what John just pointed out here. We have the
judiciary defending the deep state. Yeah, the whole lot of
sense does it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Well, look, it's it's they're protecting the status quo. They
are trying to preserve that Washington d C absolute cesspool
for as long as they can. I mean, that's that's.
They don't have any other way. They don't have any
better idea. They don't they you know, I say this
a lot, but there is no to drain the swamp.
And what reaction you get if you were legitimately changing things,

(01:07:09):
This is what I would imagine. You would hear the
weeping and whaling, the yelling, the screaming, the protests, because
they because they print money and they make themselves a
lot of money. So if they're doing their job and
they're over the target, this is what we would hear
and see. And really, the left and even the swamp,
even the Republicans that spend like this their last bash,
their last defense. Are these judges to protect the status quota,

(01:07:32):
keep Washington spending thirty six trillion and climbing in debt
two trillion a year of deficit spending, a trillion of
which isn't just an interest on what they've spent overspent.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
They need to keep it going.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
To this country's demise. I mean, no one's arguing that
this is sustainable, but somehow they don't want to see
anything cut. We hear from everyone as soon as you
get to one thing to cut, people just act as
if it's a nice to have, not a have to have.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
You have to cut the interesting thing. Democrats don't know
what to do. They aren't empowered, Greg. The only thing
they have to turn to are judges, friendly judges, and
they they own.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Washington and they shop those judges. They shop them because
they need they need to get you know, they know
where the DC court is full of them. In fact,
when we come back after a break, we have a
quote some doge was Elon and his team. Members of
his team were interviewed on Fox News today. We have
some great clips from that, and he kind of connects
the dots between some of these DC judges and some

(01:08:30):
of the swamp spending going on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
He sure does, and we'll talk about that coming up
next right here on the Rod and Greg Show. Locally.
We're the only conservative voice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
In the state of Utah. The major channels that would
be in this demo, they're afraid. They would never be
they would never have a take or an opinion, or
they would never even drop truth bombs. They're afraid of bombs.
They would never drop them.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
We do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
We drop them all the time. All right. Elon Musk
and his team an exclusive interview today with Brett Barrett
Fox News, have some rather interesting things to say.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
You know, it's if I'm going I haven't watched the
whole interview, but I am going to, but I have
some clips here I'd like to share with our audience.
I'd like to share with you, ladies and gentlemen, because
I think these really do get to the heart of it.
But there's a lot more that's been shared, but let's
get to I think this one's one of the most
discinct ones. And this is by Elon Musk. He's got
his great team around him. The liberals would say, well,
these are just children. They're not children. These are well

(01:09:21):
qualified individuals. Yes they are, and let's hear what. Let's
hear Elon Musk. Bottom line it for America.

Speaker 22 (01:09:28):
If we don't do this, we're sunk. Unless us exercise
as successful, the ship of America will sink.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
That's why we're doing I mean that, and that's what
the President said the other day. If we don't do something,
we're going to lose this country. And we are trying
to save this country.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
And why is it so bad? I think this information
that Elon provides about the federal government and its finances
should worry all of us. And I think that what
we think we ought to keep by way of funding
ought to go to the wayside when you hear it's
this bad and issue securities of course can't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Pass it on right.

Speaker 22 (01:10:03):
The peral government cannot pass it in ordered.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
It's impossible.

Speaker 22 (01:10:07):
In fact, in order to pass order, you need the
information necessary to pass ordered. You need to have the
payment codes, you need to have the payment explanation, and
you need to have a person you can contact to
understand why that payment was made. None of those things
were mandatory until until just recently, just a few weeks ago,
in fact, maybe last week.

Speaker 23 (01:10:26):
Yeah, we're serving five hundred and eighty plus agencies, and
up until very recently, effectively they could say make the
payment and Treasury just sent it out as fast as possible,
no verification, And so what we're doing is what any
household would do. But imagine you're a household. You have
a bank account. Everyone has an ATM card connect to
that account, everyone has a check book that account. It's

(01:10:48):
not just your children, it's not just your parents, that
your in laws, it's your extended family, and they all
can go to the account and disperse funds, no questions asked,
no justification, no verification.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
So then so now that's that's the downside, Okay, But
let's listen to some of the positive things that they
are looking to do that is actually going to make
sure that money that is spent, that tax payer money,
stretches better and gets to its intended purpose.

Speaker 24 (01:11:12):
Well, I'd say there's a couple of things we're really
committed to in our work at AHHS. Number one making
sure we continue to have the best biomedical research in
the world. And number two making sure, which President Trump
has said over and over again, that we one hundred
percent protect Medicare and Medicaid. But there's a lot of opportunity.
So if I take NIH as an example today, if
you're inih researcher and you get one hundred dollars grant

(01:11:33):
at your university today, you get to spend sixty of that,
and your university spends forty of that. The policy that
we're proposing to make is that you get to spend
eighty five of that and your university spends fifteen. So
that's more money going directly to the scientists who are
discovering new cures.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Isn't that something you know, you get a forty percent overhead,
you know, run around money when they get money for research. No, no, no,
that should be fifteen percent if eighty five percent should
go to actual research, if that's what the money is
being spent on. So you're seeing that they're not just
looking at how to account for, how to trace where
those dollars are going. They're finding how that money is
spent or how it's divided, and they're saying, we can

(01:12:10):
get more higher and better use out of those dollars
than what we're currently getting. Here's one right here. This
is the this is the part about the judges. This
kind of comes into the judges because you know, the
judges have tried to stop Doge on a lot of
different fronts. Here's Elon Musk kind of giving us a
snapshot of what these particularly DC Circuit judges, what what
may motivate them.

Speaker 22 (01:12:29):
The DC circuit is notorious for having a very far
left blias. And when you look at the people close
to some of these judges, who are where are they working?
Are they working at these NGOs they're getting the other
ones getting this money? Does that seem like a system
that lacks corruption? It sounds like corruption to me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
They have It's not just their friends and they're and
the people with their little wine and cheese parties. These
are their spouses, these are their kids. This little, this
little you know, money printing machine is working for even
the households of these judges who are making these rulings,
trying to stop and slow down dogs from doing the
work that they're doing. That is the swamp. That is

(01:13:10):
the swamp in its detail. This is the thing that
before the election, Rod we asked, can the American people's
attention span follow that massive budget that all the money.
Can we really get down to the and stay interested
and see it to the end. These stories right here
and these descriptions of how it's being done and how
you see now the judges because the Democrats of the

(01:13:31):
party can't stop it. For the motive, what's motivating them
to protect the status quo of that swamp should get
all of our attention. We should be glued to what
the work that DOGE is doing in these respective departments,
because they are showing us, by simple example, how the
money is wasted, how the money isn't accounted for, how
it benefits the households and the friends of people that

(01:13:53):
have are in positions of power. That is the swamp.
That is what has to shrink.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
And I don't think the American people, they had kind
of an ink clean as to what was going on,
the wasting government, a bit of an inkling, but I
don't think they really understood it until now. I didn't,
you know, we all thought, you know, years ago Oklahoma
Center Tom Coburn would put out that pork list or
whatever would call it, and people would look at it.
And I think he was the first one who brought
up the eight hundred dollars toilet seat down an air

(01:14:18):
force plane something like that, Right, we had no idea. Well,
thanks to Donald trum and thanks to Elon Musk, and
thanks to his DOGE team, we're now seeing how much
money is being spent, what kind of idiotic programs it's
going to and how the American taxpayer, how we're being
ripped off, the we are.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
We are And the biggest eye opener for me is that, yeah,
I remember the work that former Congressman Jason Chaffits well, yeah,
and as the chair of the Oversight Committee, as a
member of that committee, he would he highlighted for me
for the first time the empty federal buildings that are
just empty, that we're not using. And there were examples
of waste where I what I see today that I
never saw before was the side hustle, the money going

(01:15:01):
to NGOs and to nonprofits that we know nothing about.
That We don't know how that money's accounted for, that,
we don't know where it goes, what it does. The
Stacy Abrams, you know, the woman from Georgia that ran
for governor and lost a Democrat, getting billions of dollars, Yeah,
for a nonprofit that's supposed to do something. We don't
know how much of that she keeps, how much of
that they spend. She's just one example accounting There is

(01:15:22):
hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that nobody knows,
not Congress, no one, and we were frankly never supposed
to know ABS and AI and coding and smart work
like Doge is doing and people like Data Republican. The
American people were never supposed to understand, never the amount
of money that was being spent or given and people
being enriched by it. That's what we're seeing right now,

(01:15:43):
and that is why all of the weeping whaling you
hear coming out of that town is because they are
over the target.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
And I hope final word, I hope that the American people,
like you were saying, keep paying attention, don't let this
just fade away, stay focused on this, and support the
president and muscot what they're trying to do, or nothing
will be done and we'll be right back to where
we are and we won't be able to save this country.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
And it's it's as you said, it's a sinking ship.
If we don't do it, it's not a nice to have.
These are half to have times we're in right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
More coming up the Rod and Greg Show with you
on this Thursday, Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. Yesterday,
Governor Cox signed a bill that requires now Apple and
Google's main app stores to verify user age and require
parental permission for those under eighteen to use certain apps.
A lot of people are praising this, Let's get more

(01:16:32):
on this. Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now
to talk about it is Jake Morobido, Jake's director of
Communications and Technology Task Force at the American Legislative Exchange
Council and organization that you are well of where miss
Let's go to Jake and see what he thinks of
this bill. Jake, how, why are you welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 17 (01:16:52):
Thanks so much for having me on, looking forward to
this really important conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Well, let's talk about this. Why is it so important
in your opinion?

Speaker 12 (01:16:59):
Jake?

Speaker 17 (01:17:01):
Well, I think in recent years, especially as technology has
become such an important part of our lives, you know,
people are looking at what is the impact that that
technology and social media and even things like artificial intelligence,
How is that impacting the development of children? And you know,
there's really passionate arguments on both sides of the equation,
because you know, now harmful or age inappropriate content seems

(01:17:23):
to be easier than ever for kids to access that
there's not any parental supervision happening. But at the same time,
you know, they are going to need to be taught
how to appropriately use AI. It's you know, in their
future jobs and things like that. So how do we
find that balance? And states like Utah are now enacting
new laws and it really remains to be seen, you know,
if there's going to be legal challenges, but I'm sure
we might get into some of that in this talk.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
So I so we've had this discussion on the program,
and you know, I think it's something that's absolutely necessary.
There are adult sites that were never meant for kids
or shouldn't be that the miners shouldn't be able to access.
But we've had some guests on the pro that have
said there is there are too many workarounds that the
idea that you're going to be able to create you know,

(01:18:06):
firewalls to keep kids away from these sites. It's really
going to take parents that they're going to have to
have a much more hands on relationship with their kids
and their access to phones and the internet. Is there
something we can do to create a trustworthy sound firewall
to keep our kids away from harmful you know content.

Speaker 17 (01:18:26):
I think that's an excellent concern that you just raised
and a key problem that some opponents of the bill
have raised is that this isn't a silver bullet solution here.
And essentially what this bill would do, called the App
Store Accountability Act, is essentially require the app stores, so
that would be the Google Play Store and the Apple
App Store. Whenever there's a new account of for a minor,

(01:18:46):
they're going to have to conduct age verification, which means
that they're going to be either collecting some sort of
government identification or a credit card to verify somebody's age,
or down the line, perhaps like a facial recognition or
biometric scan of some sorts of verify the age. Now,
some people and some of the companies, even like Google,
who would be regulated by this, that they're raising that

(01:19:08):
there could potentially be privacy or security concerns if that
sensitive information gets leaked, which we all know it seems
like these companies all from time to time, for better
or for worse, get leaked, So that could be potentially
putting sensitive information at risk if they do this verification.
And so essentially you have platforms like Metax, Snapchat and
others are saying it should be the app stores doing

(01:19:29):
the verification. Google and Apple might be saying it should
be the platforms themselves doing the verification, and so it's
kind of an intra party squabble. And Alec thinks that
going back to what you were saying, is that parents
have a really important role in how to effectively teach
their children how.

Speaker 12 (01:19:44):
To use these tools.

Speaker 17 (01:19:45):
And the good news there's a lot of platforms like
Instagram and Snapchat have parental controls baked into these tools.
So you might if you set up an iPhone for
your minor child, if you set it up properly, you
know you'll be able to at today strictly control everything
they can do the iPhone. They won't be able to
download new apps without your permission or spend any money
on your credit card. But it does take that active

(01:20:06):
involved parent, which you know that that can cause some
concern if if some parents either aren't doing that that's monitoring,
or if they don't believe it's important, then others think
that these kids need to be protected at all costs.

Speaker 14 (01:20:18):
Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
How will they know though, I mean, let's say a
kid is using maybe a parent's credit card to pay
for one of these apps. How will they know that
that individual is not eighteen if in fact they're using
a parent's credit card. How would they know.

Speaker 17 (01:20:33):
It's really an open question. This is the first of
its kind law, the first one to get over the
finish line and actually become law. So I guess we
will see if it actually gets implemented, how this works
in practice. But I think you're right that kids are
ingenious and you know, they know the technology better than
you and I do, and they're going to find a
work around, or you know, maybe it's as simple as

(01:20:54):
maybe a parent, you know, the child's that I want
to get on Facebook, and the parent you know, opens
it up for them and allows and the scroll Facebook
and get past the verification. So what ALEC does and
the American Legislative Exchange Council we are members, develop model
legislation to help state lawmakers create policies rooted in free market,
limited government principles. And our members pass the policy limiting

(01:21:17):
the use of personal cell phones and schools, which is
an issue that a lot of states and local localities
have been taking up, is to reduce distractions in the classroom.
So we think that is a viable, you know, route
for states to take if they want to reduce distractions
and addiction to social media and the classroom let's start
with that, so the way they can actually learn their lessons.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
And you know, and and you know.

Speaker 17 (01:21:38):
Focus and hone their attention spans. And then another thing
that we do is, like I was alluding to earlier,
is teaching the responsible use and that that takes parents,
but it also takes educators as well, demonstrating and modeling
in the classroom when it's appropriate to be using the Internet,
Which sites and what are some of the risks involved.
You know that there's cybersecurity vulnerabilities, there's human trafficking even sadly,

(01:22:00):
there's also some horrible issues with deep fake AI impersonations
and you know, non consensual intimate images being leaked even
by students. So it's a really problem. There's a lot
of concerns and danger out there. So kids need to
get up to speed on what the risks are.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
So, Jake, what about privacy issues? So let's say that
I subscribed everything that you said, and I want to
be a good parent. I want to do all this
the issuing or presenting of state issued ID on the
internet to an app store or for an app. Are
we confident enough that our ID is going to be
protected that that would not be used for identity theft
in any way, are we how do we ensure that

(01:22:39):
are the protection of our privacy stays as strong as possible.
If we're presenting ID to make sure that we're not
a minor.

Speaker 17 (01:22:48):
It's definitely a risk and a lot of times the
way this legislation is crafted is, you know, they stipulate
in the legislation that the IDD once the verification has
affur occurred, then the platform have to delete it or
you know, they can't retain the information longer than necessary.
But as you know, you know that that's essentially only
as good as if it actually happens or not, and
if someone doesn't comply, either willfully or not, then all

(01:23:11):
of a sudden that could be exposed to bad actors.
And the technology for digital idea, you know, it's improving,
and I know some states have been experimenting with that,
I think Louisiana and Maryland and maybe even Utah as well,
and and pioneering in that department. But still I don't
think we're there quite yet, you know, for for all
of every point of sale, especially with sensitive information for

(01:23:33):
minors like this, So it really remains to be seen,
and I do expect you know, several of these laws
regulating social media have been challenged in the courts, and
in fact, in California they just an appellate court. They're
just just struck down again a California law for their
so called age appropriate Design Code. So I imagine a lot
of these I could see a legal challenge coming to

(01:23:53):
Utah and maybe citing that recent decision, and then we
could be back to square one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Gotta be interesting to followup. Jake, appreciate your time, did
I thank you?

Speaker 12 (01:24:01):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
All right, on our Newsmaker line, that's Jake Maribido. Jake,
of course is with the American Legislative Exchange Council talking
about online safety measures in today's technology, and like Jake said,
oftentimes the kids no more than their parents do. We'll
have to see how this works.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
It's a tough one, it really is. I'm all for
the spirit of that lot. I just the practical application
is what is confounding. Yeah, I want to believe we
can do it because I just think that we have
got to be able to protect these kids from adult content.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yep, we do, we do. All right, More coming up
on the Roden greg Show in Utah's talk Radio one
oh five nine knrs. Some stories we didn't get to,
but in one dimension today, Greg, you know all the
controversy surrounding what Donald Trump did with the Kennedy Center, Yes,
you know, replacing the board. I think he named himself director,
didn't he or something like that, bringing on people to

(01:24:51):
be on the board. Right. Well, now, come to find
out the Kennedy Center forty million dollars in debt. Yep, underwater,
forty million dollars in debt.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
But so important, these important people, How dare you replace
our board? We are forty million in debt.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Darn it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
We are ready to do this. Yeah, right right, good job.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Well, the chief financial officer, her name is a Donna Ardwin,
emailed staff yesterday at noon, saying, in the spirit of transparency,
to share the difficult reality of our current financial situation.
For years, the center has been budgeting to lose money.
Well what really? Instead of balancing our bottom line, we

(01:25:31):
have spent all the funds that were raised on paying
a part of the reach debt, leaving US forty million
dollars in debt.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
I don't even understand that. So how are they functioning
if they're in debt? How are they keeping the lights on?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
How are they? How are they making payroll?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
No idea, no idea whatsoever? Kind of nuts speaking of money?
Yes were we Yes we were nice? Segue. Nearly half
nearly half of parents are now footing the bills for
their adult children. Sound a little familiar to you, and
I no comment, often to the tune of more than

(01:26:13):
fifteen hundred dollars a month, don't you say that? Well,
that's why I'm just reading this story.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Well, that would be a tax, that would be a break. No,
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
A new report, though, says the generosity is starting to
dry up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I guess so.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
But look, warning to kids out there, easy dad may
start saying no.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Easy times make for soft kids, and soft kids make
for harder times. Harder times make for tougher people. Tougher time,
tougher people make for good times. It's just a cycle.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Yeah. Nearly half of the parents surveyed, forty seven percent
say they put their own financial future on the back
burner to keep their children afloat. But the vault is
creaking closed, as thirty seven percent of parents say they'll
cut off support in the next two years.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Can I share with our listeners and you something that's
weighing on my mind. Okay, just want so over a
week a week to I don't know. Nine days ago,
we saw breaking news and I'm talking from BBC. Uh,
you know, Newsweek, People Magazine, New York Post, Yahoo News,
Daily Mail, even Barstool Sports, all describing that there is

(01:27:26):
a lunatic loose in a at a research station in Antarctica. Okay, Uh,
there is a member that is accused of physical assault
and inappropriate behavior leading to concerns. They are asking They're
from South Africa. They are asking the environment, the South
African Environment Ministry to rescue them from this place New York.

(01:27:49):
The New York Post is Antarctica research crew trapped in
icy hell with coworker. This coworker has not only been
accused of assaulting members of that search team, but also
threatening to kill them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
This sounds like a scary movie to me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
This sounds like I think this is the plot of
a lot of different types of these, But this is
a story rod that I don't think just drops after
a There's been no word of this for seven days.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Is there a follow up?

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
Are we?

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
I mean, it wasn't like it was a barely mentioned story.
Everybody was talking about it, and now it's crickets. Are
they all gone?

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Have they been?

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Are they rescuing them? Is there any have we had
any update? I just find the whole story to be creepy, weird,
scary and oddly quiet. It's been over a week. How
are they doing?

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
This sounds like great movie material.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Isolated place people are being killed? Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
No, there's been assaults and threats of death by one
deranged member of this research team. So they have called
for help, but they are very far away, very hard
to read, I guess, And and but we've heard nothing since.
And I'm talking. Everybody was talking about this. This is,

(01:29:08):
like I said, BBC news Week, it was even People
magazine had it as a human interest story. There is
a team of sign nobody nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Oh it sounds like that's too good of a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
I'm telling you they might. There must be a screenwriter
up there just taking furious notes. But no, I just
think that we should be we should have heard an
update by that for for this by now. If it's
all quiet out there, nobody's actually talking to them, I
don't know that that's a good sign.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
That that is a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Yeah, I don't like that.

Speaker 8 (01:29:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
I don't like scary.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Movies or anything. Let me know. I'm watching for this one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
That does it for us. Tonight, head up, shoulders back.
My God bless you and your family and this great
country of ours. Will talk to you tomorrow.

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